Watching this and reflecting on the conversation with Sam Harris, it's clear the two have a deep difference not just in belief and style but deep into cognitive function. JP has a broad, synthetic vision with connections everywhere; Sam has a detailed, incisive view but blind to the whole. JP values the novel connection (venturing into chaos) while Sam bunkers down in the known. If you push JP's thinking pattern to the extreme, there is psychosis; if you push Sam's, you have Asperger's. Sam only ever sounds logical but will never teach you anything truly new. Meanwhile JP occasionally skirts into mystical territory that risks sounding silly, but that's the voyage of the artist and will open an entirely new world. It's a temperamental difference and which style you like no doubt depends on your own.
@バンジョベンジ wow interesting. Could you give me a very simplified example? Of a potential particular, the property, and something that represents the in between? I’m not as smart as you but I think I understand what your point is. What about the relationship between derivatives of a function and its anti-derivatives, such as in calculus? Haha sorry if I don’t make sense.
You're right, JP values archetypal & metaphorical storytelling (which is a therapeutic application btw) of which people can draw wisdom from, where is sam harris (who I'm also a fan of) is more about the science and the logic. To be honest they both have fair points. Yes, rationality, science and logic are important as well as drawing on wisdom from metaphorical stories and archetypal symbols. The one thing I do disagree with JP is the fact that he had chosen to use the bible as his only form of storytelling. Personally, I don't consider the bible to be a good book of wisdom at all because it is filled with so many contradictions which makes the motif inconsistent. I find stories of the buddha and the bhagavard gita to be more consistent.
@Rev Rodrigueza Overall i would say so, yes. However, understanding the MBTI does come with some valid insights, and generally just understanding Jungs reasonings behind 'Types' is only going to help with your understandings of personality. The Big 5 is, however, a generally superior and more efficient model to use practically, and is generally just less archaic.
@George Stanley ive been using MBTI since its wildly used among teens back years ago (im 24) but when i watched JP's explanation of big5 and how it applies in almost all about human behaviour i did drop MBTI real fast , is that a good thing?
I think you’re right. But both points of view are important. And I actually learned a lot from Sam’s books. They(Peterson and Harris) just give people different things.
2:00 Governments reflect the archetypes the people care about 17:00 Sacrifice 20:00 Groups, morality, brain size 37:00 - 45:00 There is no learning without sacrifice 45:00 Jonah, telling people they've sinned 1:04:30 Evolution of sacrifices 2:02:50 Conscientiousness and sacrifice, delayed gratification. IQ. Marshmallow test. 2:06:30 Baldwin effects. Memes turn into archetypes.
This was an especially good "episode." Also, I was folding my laundry, making my bed, and cooking meals for the week while listening to this. Feels good to have someone telling me there's meaning in keeping order in my life.
I definitely got roots to hell. It's just some of my branches are roots right now and some roots are braches, my leaves are falling off, a family of woodpeckers has moved in and a pack of squirrels has run off with most the nuts.
"Why be virtuous, that's the question. It is so you can bear the suffering of life without becoming corrupt" -JBP Working my way through these lectures, JBP is like the Jazz of lecturers; talking about one thing, then goes off topic where you learn a load of other things before coming back to the subject at hand. I so wish I had been able to access his works as a teenager. Would have helped me make life more stable for sure. Long may he continue.
We need more educators like you who are driven and passionate. Not a psychology student but all your lectures are exhilarating. I can make sense of everything you say.
His opening dialogue here is just wow... Its wow. I love it when this man is on fire. It makes your soul tingle when he hits the threads of existence with his words.
This is what iv been searching for for years. Iv been so lost, I used to have a strong identity, raised as a Christian, I never doubted myself or anything I was taught, I never betrayed myself or my beliefs, I had naive confidence, strong back bone, determination, a mission. My ideology was ripped apart when I was 22, I slowly fell into chaos. Became overwhelmed with guilt over the mistakes I made in life as well as felt purposeless, confused, depressed, scared. I im 25 now, I've been obsessively learning philosophy as well as listening to many speakers, Jordan Peterson included. This lecture series has blown me away, I wish I found it sooner. I still feel very lost but on track I suppose. I still have not been able to regain my drive, momentum, confidence and belief in myself. My mind is so scrambled some days, iv been unlearning and learning alot, I don't have structure nor discipline. Thinking about joining a jiu-jitsu gym for that.
I've listened to hundreds of hours of JBP and he always manages to say something that runs chills through my spine. Such an elegant character that really brings the best out of people, people like that are so rare that we should all cherish JBP and be thankful that we got him. One of the best moments in this is around 1:40 untill 1:42 or so..
@Classic World I will give you a egocentric argument. If you are corrupt there is no way you build long term relationships, the only way of doing it is being trustworthy,virtuous, and that is kinda the opposite of being corrupt. And you need long term relationships, it gives meaning to your life, gives energy for you to do what you want, gives you order. When you have an family, you have to worry less about unpredictable situations, that means that you will have less stress and more energy to put in your objectives that you have. That is good right?
@Classic World "You know the answer.... you just don't know that you know." -JP I'm glad you're watching his videos because this guy has the most potential to make the world a better place, Keep watching!
@Classic World Because assuming you regard humanity as inherently valuable, its self justifiable. You dont wanna cause bad stuff to people just like you, just like you dont want bad stuff happening to you from other people. And that first premisse is really what makes the entire society work..
Thank you for all you've sacrificed and please, never give up. Just listening to your discussions has made me a better man. I now have something to believe in, a goal. Not to be rich, not to live in deceptive comfort, but to try. I want to be moral. I want to be responsible. I want my actions on this planet to mean something. I want to be alive. Thank you sir Strength and honour
I always felt that these lectures should end in a round of applause, I'm exuberant that this one did just that. Thank you for another journey into myself. You are the best I've found so far at leading me into the unknown chaos that awaits us all when we delve into ourselves. This lecture series has profoundly changed me! Thank you for piecing this together, but more over, sharing it with all of us. So that we can know what these stories have been trying so hard to tell us.
What a trip to have you reply back! I feel like a kid in awe to a ballplayer ( when they were held as "heroes" ). But You are the Hero now to those of us who cannot speak the truth with the depth and clarity as you process.
The good Dr. often brings to my mind the C.S. Lewis essay, Myth Became Fact and Acts 17: 23 - 30.These are just a few of my favorite things. So many things fire off in my mind when listening to him. Old Joe Campell was merely a primer. His talks are helping me to bear my sufferings with more gratitude than I had previously been. My already active dream life is become terribly imtense as of late. I'm wondering if it isn't a response to these lectures. Anyways, tanks a bunch, Dr. Peterson!
I honestly just think you point out the obvious profundity of the human experience and landscape and it clicks well with so many people because so much of it is obviously true. I'll think throughout the lecture, "oh yeah, I knew that, makes sense." I would even bet that this is a common comment, because it's so damn true and really resonates at a visceral and logical level simultaneously.
43:43 "...the relationship falls apart. No challenge." I'm astonished. You just explained the failure of a relationship whose demise I was trying to get a handle on for four years. I can't believe I never considered that.
I’m back watching these wonderful lectures in lockdown. JBP is really needed at this difficult time in our history. Chop chop professor there is work to be done. Get well soon
This is probably one of my favorite lectures delivered by Dr. Peterson. It's amazing how he can synthesize a large swathe of rigorous academic, religious and literary texts into a single coherent narrative.
I started creating short stories based on his ideas for myself and it helped me understand the world around me. I feel more connected, less fragmented creatively.
I just can't stop binge watching Peterson's videos 😂😂 I really am getting myself together these days because of it. It's already giving its fruit, since I seem to be doing so much better than before and also the majority of other people. It's insane really, but works out extremely well for me. Thanks dr. Peterson!
Anyone who really likes the interpetation of these stories should check out the book Iron John by Robert Bly. It explores the deep meaning behind an old story in a similar fashion. JBP his lectures remind of the experience of going through that book...
Is it possible that this man is getting smarter and smarter every single week? This is probably the best lecture from Dr. Peterson so far, because it brings all the puzzle pieces of his philosophy together. I am starting to be able to discuss with really educated people about the most difficult political and philosophical issues I had no clue about before. And I make them literally speechless. The problem is: Why does every single sentence of this man resonate so much with me? I mean he is challenging my mind beyond belief, but why is there no resistance to his words inside of me? Can this be dangerous? Anyone who feels the same or has a point to make about that?
@Eli Wolfgang Watch some of the more recent interviews he's given to others to see if this is actually playing out. I think the one in Oct 2018 - kzclip.org/video/_iudkPi4_sY/бейне.html - shows that he has understanding & even empathy of those who take a different view politically. He does not depict a "jaded" person IMO. I look forward to more interviews that I expect he'll give in the coming months, but likely not until Fall 2019.
Don't know if someone already said this, but Peterson himself quotes Jung in that first you must become "indoctrinated" in a sense, on the road to individuation. In other words, you must adopt some form of ideology before you can develop your own, play by the rules first before you make your own, act out the laws before you write them down. So, in my opinion and my own experience, Peterson's ideas are so broad that the "indoctronation" process seems to take a long time. Again, in other words, you've come to realize how much you didn't know, and that's why Peterson's words resonate with you so well. You never had a firm counter position to his claims if you even had one at all. Give it time. Read more and dive deep into many of the literary works he references. You'll begin to develop your own ideology, hopefully unique to your self. Good luck!
It's an interview he mentioned that he is an extremely fast reader. He said that some neighbor began to have him scifi books, when Jordan was 12, and he would read an entire scifi book in 1 day. He said he would read 7 scifi books in a week.
Wow! Just so brilliant. 1:04:02 JBP explains about the Hindu Goddess kali and I being a Hindu by birth can say Man he got it so perfect. In our culture, we sacrifice animals to the goddess kali but I never knew why we do that. Maybe sacrificing animals isn't the optimal sacrifice but sacrificing our polluted self is the right kind of sacrifice and this idea obviously came from JBP. Hats off Dr. Peterson. You know more about Hinduism than 99.99% of us.
Man, I love these lectures. Your gesticulation is so on point that every movement seems to add to your arguments. Like the hands and arms agrees with your mouth so much that they are trying to speak every word. I hope you see this because I would love to hear what you think of my case. I work as a kindergarten teacher and we are researching how we can create a a (fictional )magical world that contain whatever the children want to find there, treasure, adventure, dragons magic. .... And me researching for stimuli I could use to inspire the children and add to their collections of stories to draw from, I watched the sword in the stone.... Now I have been quite anti religious/"hard atheist" basically my whole life, caused by an odd mixture of beeing confused by what you would call the straw man of religion (Me growing up in secular Norway never meeting any better, lets call it proof. and probably an addiction to the feeling of intellectual superiority I got by trying to measure religion with science as measuring tool. And then the image of myself being so "anti god" and so antagonistically to every aspect of religion suddenly crashed with the weird memory of me 4-5 years old having Merlin, as my own imaginary friend. THE Merlin completely stolen from the animated sword in the stone. A fact about myself i seldom think of but now see in a whole new light using your perspectives on how one should guide oneself to not become a puppet and how the achetypical wise man, the wizard with the clearly omnipotent powers defeat the witchy mother nature madam mim through mastery of the unkown... I was particularly hoping you could put the Disney Merlin + Arthur through your archetypical deconstruction because right now I fear that god is a bearded wizard that left me when I was seven.......
Extraordinary lesson, as usual, I am eternally grateful for the wisdom shared. Although, regarding the question at the end of the lesson about the usage of meds for experiences of depression and anxiety, etc. I long for deeper analysis. Actually rather correlated to the last and final question... Having reflected upon depression most of my adult life, as in periods having experienced periods of tremendously deep lows (as in consumed by suicidal thoughts level) and hopelessness and lethargy, and sharing this tendency with for example my father, I found that at least in my personal experience that sometimes even if all the outer factors of life have been "right" I could still fall into despair. And in my case, I would associate it with a sense of meaninglessness, and even if I had acceptable circumstances and securities I hadn't pushed or challenged myself into the unknown, in the sense of overcoming resistance and fears to do so (the unknown being many different things: out of fear taking "the safe path" with a safe career instead of exploring my real interests and passions). I am certainly not saying that this is true for all, but I do wonder if sometimes, perhaps also for others, there might be more to the story. And I've come across many different people who don't have the fortune of a very considerate doctor that rapidly prescribe them antidepressants sometimes after only one short consultation. I've just recently experienced this with a friend (who probably was strongly affected by the current isolation due to the famous virus of this time of 2020) who was prescribed not one, but three psychotropic drugs: an antidepressant, an antiepileptic, and even a strong benzo. (Also I found interactions between the meds prescribed, and his other anti-diabetic meds, as he consulted me to have a look.) Medications that are not without complications and consequences. Especially benzos, as JBP, unfortunately, has experienced, I say with all possible respect and immense gratitude that also he shared his story and devastating experience with this medication. I am a so-called pharmacist myself, but skeptical to the search of rapid solutions to sometimes much more profound and complex problems. Also, the fact that we are living in complex societies with oftentimes very high demands and harsh judgmental environments can make life quite complex and maybe let many of us lose track of ourselves, where we are in our lives, and if they feel meaningful... Of course, these are no more than personal reflections and not objective truths. But something I have reflected upon a lot, and still do. For it is so enormously common with depression, and I think it's something that needs to be explored more, for however privileged we truly are, many of us experience deep misery. When I made a long-term traveling I for the first time in my life experienced a deeper sense of gratitude, that was not the "solution", but it was part of it and a change of perspective of the whole meaning of life.
I liked this talk, big fan of biblical archetypes even though I'm atheist. during the Sam Harris podcast I understood why Harris was giving him a hard time, but I do love these biblical archetype metaphors.
Thank you for your work. I'm so grateful that I have a way to understand the world I live in and how to operate in it. Also, the how to write an essay (how to articulate) is empowering so much that I feel disgusted at my prior education. Thank you so god damn much. I can move forward in a way that's not as slow as going through quicksand. I can dig myself right out. My life is so much easier and more beneficial now.
Around 34:30 he drops "Familiar, Family" comparing two words that sound alike but most people don't think have any connection whatsoever. It's kind of amazing how insight like that is just a split second name drop in his lectures.
Regarding 1:25:00, you basically described my mother in detail. My mother is a Toronto family lawyer who worked non-stop at the age of 40 to be called to the bar and has had a ridiculous work schedule for almost the past 20 years on top of raising three children. And she's tough. She also has a lot of other issues and honestly, I think that you may have been describing her exactly (you may possibly have met her at some point so I wouldn't rule it out). Here's my question: For women who can work that kind of lifestyle (children and high stress job), what are the negatives that affect family members and friends around them? If it burns them out quickly, does this mean that other issues such as schizophrenia or simple neuroticism manifest themselves much easier?
His analysis of high end female lawyers is spot on. My older sister is the general counsel to the department of water resources here in CA. She has that job because she worked for a private firm (working 80 hours a week) for about four years before she was burnt out and wanted kids. She ended up taking the government job because the hours were excellent (comparatively) and she wouldn’t have to sacrifice having a family.
Did you see the film, 'Arrival'? It would be great to hear you analyze it one day. I wonder what you'd think of its take on the descent into the belly of the whale, and on the voluntary suffering of the individual. It was archetypal, through and through. Thank you for all the high quality content.
Jordan you mentioned doing a series in which you cover the bible in its entirety...I would be THRILLED to watch that! I'm 29 and you have genuinely introduced me to a completely new way to look at religion for the first time in my life! Love your work, thank you!!!!!!!
Love these lectures so much thank you!! I just wanted to add that looking at the patients dietary and exercise habits may also be important before prescribing antidepressants...just a thought, and I'm not a doctor
A genius speaking knowleadgeably about quantum physics, biology and psychology in an interesting practical way. Each lecture is a braingasm. Thanks for this Dr. Peterson
1hour 35 in. Thanks Jordan I am glad you understand this and thanks for sharing this info. I was totally despised by my father. I assume its bc i was the reason he got "stuck" with a life choice that would never leave. I felt the repercussions of that so much I blocked him from my life my care. I have the most selfish parents and it really does make a negative difference in a life. I have also walked the walk of raising 2 young men on my own since they were babies on 1 income as 1 person. Strong enough to have done this and continuing to do this. I am so glad I found your lectures. Thank You♥️
End of the last video: “Good enough. I’ll see you in a week”. Me: “see you in 10 seconds!!” And thank God for you Jordan Peterson. These lectures are so valuable. I think if everyone really took the time to watch, the world would be in a much better place!
Yes, but this dynamic is also illustrated in one of the archetypes: the fool in the tarot deck. Sometimes one must risk carelessly walking off the cliff in order to experience true freedom. It’s a trade off.
All of these lectures have so many great bits of information and insight. This is perhaps one of the most important, for me, in understanding how all of these ideas hold together. Amazing.
I've been noticing interesting parallel themes as he discusses potential becoming actualized and how that overlaps with Aristotle/Thomas Aquinas and hylomorphic dualism. Those are ideas worth pondering 🤔 Thanks for your work, Dr. Petermson 👏
I'm not sure how these students don't ask more questions. After three questions he's like "Any more questions?" and the students are like "newp" and I'm like "YES!".
This sort of implicit intelligence in our actions he talks about is sooooososo interesting to think about it. It has to be a mix of a collective intelligence (I mean that literally) and the unconscious. That makes it a mystery, which is probably why I find it so interesting
I have been listening to Mr. Peterson for about a week straight now while I paint, he is a very deep thinker. I think he picked up the dying torch of Joseph Campbell and basically started a bonfire with it! So glad to have a positive role model in opposition to our current post modern deconstructionist obsessed society. Thank you so much for posting these.
I have found a very interesting convergence of this lecture with - of all things - an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation called "Darmok". The crew encounters a culture whose sole mode of communication consists of naming the archetype relevant for a given situation. Unfortunately, these archetypes are not known to the crew, so they cannot communicate with the aliens. The Unknown is so unknown that Picard has no cognitive tools to even try to unpack it. But the alien captain kidnaps - in a way - Picard down to a planet, where they have to live through an archetypical situation, grappling together with a beast. They are forced to develop modes of communications which they can name - each in their own way. This shared experience becomes the core of their mutual understanding. The archetypes are such core for all of us, sometimes not articulated but somehow common and somehow accessible for all. Obtaining that understanding, that sort of emotional cohesion is - as the film suggest - even worthy of ultimate sacrifice.
1:12:08 "the potential from which this figures are emerging is looking like a musical construction, it's like a symphony. It's this layer of harmonious patterns that make up being. And thats what this image represents." WOW! When I heard this I immediately had to think of the Silmarillion, where Tolkien described the Creation of the "LOTR Universe" just like that: A synphony. Mindblowing....
I'm 50 and Dr. Peterson is inspiring me to go back to school, but where the heck in Texas USA do you find an instructor with his wisdom!?! Thank you for sharing your passion!!
All of his lectures take me 1.5x-2x more time to watch. I’m not native in English, so I keep rewinding in order to fully fathom the concepts being uttered. But the feeling of a sage I have afterwards makes every second worth more, than of a damn Snyder Cut.
Delighted to hear such a well deserved applause at the end! So good to see students respecting such a profound intellectual and dedicated teacher! Truly inspiring! Thank you Dr Peterson!
I thought for a second, that I'm very grateful to live in a world where he can be critical of the universities while leading this class and no one is trying to shut him down, then I remembered.
Shari Pi What a great story! and Werner I agree with you about this lecture (have listened to them all) And all the rest of you - it just feels great to be participating and thinking along with you. Thank you.
We were discussing dreams in a philosophy lecture about Freud today (at U of T), I brought up how you're scholarship features Jungian Archetypes, and I argued that dreams can possess significant meaning!
Professor you would love the "monogatari series" of anime. It mind blowingly incorporates all of the ideas you talk about in a Anime(cartoon) that young boys and adults can love. Not as female friendly since it's centered on a male protagonist but takes in all of these ideas from all your lectures and makes them into an amazing and beautiful anime. Obviously it was written long before you started making all these videos with the anime starting in 2008 but the books were written a while before that. But it's difficult to believe you guys have no connection and if the writer weren't Japanese I'd be certain he had taken influence from you haha
Thank YOU Jordan Peterson!!! You simply sharing this knowledge has completely transformed my life… started absorbing this information back in 2017 when i was working 3 jobs; a butcher , a chef & a server at three different places. Was completely broke selling cocaine & other substances to feed my habits of BEiNG hell bent on self destruction… for starters i was lying to myself & my intimate partner on the daily… scheming & co-creating iNFiNiTE headed hydras with almost every interaction & relationship. Started to “enter the dragons” & stop lying to myself & others… then i slowly let go of my drug addictions including my self loathing. Worked on cleaning up my living spaces, moved to a different state & created a daily routine. I’m almost 27; For the last four years having a daily practice to help ground myself & focused on gratitude instead of PAiN. Thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson, words cannot describe my appreciation & limitless LOVE for you & everyone YOU love & have helped establish a iNTEGRAL consciousness. 🌬♾🕸💗🌊🛸🌊🌔✨☀️❤️🔥
a Peterson a day keeps the chaos away.
and dealing with own issues
🤣🤣🤣
@Mrfailstandstil peterson a day makes chaos pay!
Woah! Woah! Slow down, egghead!
This!
He got so much respect for his students and you can see that when he answers their questions and listens to them. Loving this small fact.
Yea they seem like a tough crowd though, the 2016 class was a bit more interactive and entertained.
yeah I smiled when the students applaud for the first time
Watching this and reflecting on the conversation with Sam Harris, it's clear the two have a deep difference not just in belief and style but deep into cognitive function. JP has a broad, synthetic vision with connections everywhere; Sam has a detailed, incisive view but blind to the whole. JP values the novel connection (venturing into chaos) while Sam bunkers down in the known. If you push JP's thinking pattern to the extreme, there is psychosis; if you push Sam's, you have Asperger's. Sam only ever sounds logical but will never teach you anything truly new. Meanwhile JP occasionally skirts into mystical territory that risks sounding silly, but that's the voyage of the artist and will open an entirely new world. It's a temperamental difference and which style you like no doubt depends on your own.
@バンジョベンジ wow interesting. Could you give me a very simplified example? Of a potential particular, the property, and something that represents the in between? I’m not as smart as you but I think I understand what your point is.
What about the relationship between derivatives of a function and its anti-derivatives, such as in calculus? Haha sorry if I don’t make sense.
You're right, JP values archetypal & metaphorical storytelling (which is a therapeutic application btw) of which people can draw wisdom from, where is sam harris (who I'm also a fan of) is more about the science and the logic. To be honest they both have fair points. Yes, rationality, science and logic are important as well as drawing on wisdom from metaphorical stories and archetypal symbols.
The one thing I do disagree with JP is the fact that he had chosen to use the bible as his only form of storytelling. Personally, I don't consider the bible to be a good book of wisdom at all because it is filled with so many contradictions which makes the motif inconsistent. I find stories of the buddha and the bhagavard gita to be more consistent.
@Rev Rodrigueza Overall i would say so, yes. However, understanding the MBTI does come with some valid insights, and generally just understanding Jungs reasonings behind 'Types' is only going to help with your understandings of personality. The Big 5 is, however, a generally superior and more efficient model to use practically, and is generally just less archaic.
@George Stanley ive been using MBTI since its wildly used among teens back years ago (im 24) but when i watched JP's explanation of big5 and how it applies in almost all about human behaviour i did drop MBTI real fast , is that a good thing?
I think you’re right.
But both points of view are important. And I actually learned a lot from Sam’s books. They(Peterson and Harris) just give people different things.
"Before you're disciplined you're not free, you're just chaotic."
that's powerful knowledge
@Neo jocko
@Ll 6:31
@LJPH_95 what minute
@Neo this lecture
2:00 Governments reflect the archetypes the people care about
17:00 Sacrifice
20:00 Groups, morality, brain size
37:00 - 45:00 There is no learning without sacrifice
45:00 Jonah, telling people they've sinned
1:04:30 Evolution of sacrifices
2:02:50 Conscientiousness and sacrifice, delayed gratification. IQ. Marshmallow test.
2:06:30 Baldwin effects. Memes turn into archetypes.
This was an especially good "episode." Also, I was folding my laundry, making my bed, and cooking meals for the week while listening to this. Feels good to have someone telling me there's meaning in keeping order in my life.
One of my favorite Jung quotes: "No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell."
I definitely got roots to hell.
It's just some of my branches are roots right now and some roots are braches, my leaves are falling off, a family of woodpeckers has moved in and a pack of squirrels has run off with most the nuts.
@o z it's at least ancient, if we are talking about human ideas, but i do not know about this particular metaphor
@o z yep
@Peter Girnus
Is your profile pic a bind rune? It looks like gebu and wunjo
(or the Christian "xi rho") with perthro too... It's interesting...
It’s that a Nietzsche idea?
This man is not some mere college professor, he is a straight up life coach! This is a man to look up to for sure.
@Artur Hashmi a life coach is an unemployed single woman who thinks she knows better about someone else's life
imo professor of psychology, sounds much better then life coach lol
"Why be virtuous, that's the question. It is so you can bear the suffering of life without becoming corrupt" -JBP Working my way through these lectures, JBP is like the Jazz of lecturers; talking about one thing, then goes off topic where you learn a load of other things before coming back to the subject at hand. I so wish I had been able to access his works as a teenager. Would have helped me make life more stable for sure. Long may he continue.
"Why is there so much suffering in the world? Because we are not yet what we could be." JBP. AWESOME.
If you can do a lecture and get your students to applaud voluntarily afterwards, you know you've reached out to them.
We need more educators like you who are driven and passionate. Not a psychology student but all your lectures are exhilarating. I can make sense of everything you say.
His opening dialogue here is just wow... Its wow. I love it when this man is on fire. It makes your soul tingle when he hits the threads of existence with his words.
This is what iv been searching for for years. Iv been so lost, I used to have a strong identity, raised as a Christian, I never doubted myself or anything I was taught, I never betrayed myself or my beliefs, I had naive confidence, strong back bone, determination, a mission. My ideology was ripped apart when I was 22, I slowly fell into chaos. Became overwhelmed with guilt over the mistakes I made in life as well as felt purposeless, confused, depressed, scared. I im 25 now, I've been obsessively learning philosophy as well as listening to many speakers, Jordan Peterson included. This lecture series has blown me away, I wish I found it sooner. I still feel very lost but on track I suppose. I still have not been able to regain my drive, momentum, confidence and belief in myself. My mind is so scrambled some days, iv been unlearning and learning alot, I don't have structure nor discipline. Thinking about joining a jiu-jitsu gym for that.
I've listened to hundreds of hours of JBP and he always manages to say something that runs chills through my spine.
Such an elegant character that really brings the best out of people, people like that are so rare that we should all cherish JBP and be thankful that we got him.
One of the best moments in this is around 1:40 untill 1:42 or so..
"Why be virtuous?, So you can bare the suffering of life without becoming corrupt"- JP Brilliant
@Classic World because there is cause and effect and what we do now echos into the future and we know this to be true.
@Classic World I will give you a egocentric argument. If you are corrupt there is no way you build long term relationships, the only way of doing it is being trustworthy,virtuous, and that is kinda the opposite of being corrupt. And you need long term relationships, it gives meaning to your life, gives energy for you to do what you want, gives you order. When you have an family, you have to worry less about unpredictable situations, that means that you will have less stress and more energy to put in your objectives that you have. That is good right?
@Classic World "You know the answer.... you just don't know that you know." -JP
I'm glad you're watching his videos because this guy has the most potential to make the world a better place, Keep watching!
This quote right here is pretty damn amazing
@Classic World Because assuming you regard humanity as inherently valuable, its self justifiable. You dont wanna cause bad stuff to people just like you, just like you dont want bad stuff happening to you from other people. And that first premisse is really what makes the entire society work..
Ive never been to a lecture in which the students applauded the professor after. That is amazing.
I rewatched the entire second half the this lecture multiple times, and loved every second of it.
Dr. Jordan Peterson has become my own personal archetypal father figure.
RULE #!# SURROUND yourself with good role models...
Thank you for all you've sacrificed and please, never give up. Just listening to your discussions has made me a better man. I now have something to believe in, a goal. Not to be rich, not to live in deceptive comfort, but to try. I want to be moral. I want to be responsible. I want my actions on this planet to mean something. I want to be alive.
Thank you sir
Strength and honour
I'm so emotional your comment almost made me cry lol
Beautiful. How are you doing 4 years later, mein frund?
"But to try." Love it
The most important person of our lifetime, completely changed my outlook and my life.
Thank you JBP
I always felt that these lectures should end in a round of applause, I'm exuberant that this one did just that. Thank you for another journey into myself. You are the best I've found so far at leading me into the unknown chaos that awaits us all when we delve into ourselves. This lecture series has profoundly changed me! Thank you for piecing this together, but more over, sharing it with all of us. So that we can know what these stories have been trying so hard to tell us.
Hello Dr. Peterson, My first time making a comment on KZclip it is your Channel! Your work has helped me immensely . Continuing telling the truth !
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@sam sam it seems like he deleted the reply, can you remember what he wrote?
What a trip to have you reply back! I feel like a kid in awe to a ballplayer ( when they were held as "heroes" ). But You are the Hero now to those of us who cannot speak the truth with the depth and clarity as you process.
I've never been so impatient to learn as this last week.
James Todd texted.
James Todd keep your pants on lol
Pa Go who had a shet without flushing the toilet?
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Keep it clean!
The good Dr. often brings to my mind the C.S. Lewis essay, Myth Became Fact and Acts 17: 23 - 30.These are just a few of my favorite things. So many things fire off in my mind when listening to him. Old Joe Campell was merely a primer. His talks are helping me to bear my sufferings with more gratitude than I had previously been. My already active dream life is become terribly imtense as of late. I'm wondering if it isn't a response to these lectures. Anyways, tanks a bunch, Dr. Peterson!
I honestly just think you point out the obvious profundity of the human experience and landscape and it clicks well with so many people because so much of it is obviously true. I'll think throughout the lecture, "oh yeah, I knew that, makes sense." I would even bet that this is a common comment, because it's so damn true and really resonates at a visceral and logical level simultaneously.
43:43 "...the relationship falls apart. No challenge." I'm astonished. You just explained the failure of a relationship whose demise I was trying to get a handle on for four years. I can't believe I never considered that.
I’m back watching these wonderful lectures in lockdown. JBP is really needed at this difficult time in our history. Chop chop professor there is work to be done. Get well soon
Man!!!! i have never felt better and secure since meeting The Professor. This is what I missed in college. I am taking notes...
"The more responsibility you take on the more meaning your life has." So very profound.
I feel blessed to virtually attend his lectures.
This is probably one of my favorite lectures delivered by Dr. Peterson. It's amazing how he can synthesize a large swathe of rigorous academic, religious and literary texts into a single coherent narrative.
I started creating short stories based on his ideas for myself and it helped me understand the world around me. I feel more connected, less fragmented creatively.
I just can't stop binge watching Peterson's videos 😂😂
I really am getting myself together these days because of it. It's already giving its fruit, since I seem to be doing so much better than before and also the majority of other people. It's insane really, but works out extremely well for me. Thanks dr. Peterson!
Anyone who really likes the interpetation of these stories should check out the book Iron John by Robert Bly. It explores the deep meaning behind an old story in a similar fashion. JBP his lectures remind of the experience of going through that book...
Anyone else feel conflicted about being addicted to JBP lectures?
Heh. Nope. If someone comes along and proves to be cooler...until then....lol.
No more than I do about being “addicted” to food, water or air.
me for sure
There’s always more to discover 🤗
No conflict
My second time watching this. It’s very interesting, I’m currently reading “12 Rules For Life”.
watched all of M/M 2016 and M/M 2017 (up until here) and this is my favorite lecture so far. We're so lucky to have this content available for free.
Thank God for freedom of speech.
One more comment: I really enjoy these lectures, thanks for sharing. And thanks for making the world a better and truer place.
Is it possible that this man is getting smarter and smarter every single week? This is probably the best lecture from Dr. Peterson so far, because it brings all the puzzle pieces of his philosophy together. I am starting to be able to discuss with really educated people about the most difficult political and philosophical issues I had no clue about before. And I make them literally speechless.
The problem is: Why does every single sentence of this man resonate so much with me? I mean he is challenging my mind beyond belief, but why is there no resistance to his words inside of me? Can this be dangerous? Anyone who feels the same or has a point to make about that?
@Eli Wolfgang I think this is what Jesus did when he was against the pharisees and saducees of his day
@Eli Wolfgang Watch some of the more recent interviews he's given to others to see if this is actually playing out. I think the one in Oct 2018 - kzclip.org/video/_iudkPi4_sY/бейне.html - shows that he has understanding & even empathy of those who take a different view politically. He does not depict a "jaded" person IMO. I look forward to more interviews that I expect he'll give in the coming months, but likely not until Fall 2019.
Don't know if someone already said this, but Peterson himself quotes Jung in that first you must become "indoctrinated" in a sense, on the road to individuation.
In other words, you must adopt some form of ideology before you can develop your own, play by the rules first before you make your own, act out the laws before you write them down.
So, in my opinion and my own experience, Peterson's ideas are so broad that the "indoctronation" process seems to take a long time.
Again, in other words, you've come to realize how much you didn't know, and that's why Peterson's words resonate with you so well. You never had a firm counter position to his claims if you even had one at all.
Give it time. Read more and dive deep into many of the literary works he references. You'll begin to develop your own ideology, hopefully unique to your self.
Good luck!
It's an interview he mentioned that he is an extremely fast reader. He said that some neighbor began to have him scifi books, when Jordan was 12, and he would read an entire scifi book in 1 day. He said he would read 7 scifi books in a week.
The Thiaoouba Prophecy is also a really interesting book for anyone looking for one. :P
Wow! Just so brilliant. 1:04:02 JBP explains about the Hindu Goddess kali and I being a Hindu by birth can say Man he got it so perfect. In our culture, we sacrifice animals to the goddess kali but I never knew why we do that. Maybe sacrificing animals isn't the optimal sacrifice but sacrificing our polluted self is the right kind of sacrifice and this idea obviously came from JBP. Hats off Dr. Peterson. You know more about Hinduism than 99.99% of us.
Starting around 9:00 JP references how if you understand the archetypes, you'll be able to resist ideological propaganda. Profound and true!
I'm insanely grateful this is available.
FOR FREE extremely grateful.
I loved being a stay-at-home mom. Raising human beings was so satisfying. I considered it an excellent career.
"Shows you what the universities are worth," While he's teaching in a university class. Haha, gotta love JP. Thanks for the lectures.. Loving it
Man, I love these lectures. Your gesticulation is so on point that every movement seems to add to your arguments. Like the hands and arms agrees with your mouth so much that they are trying to speak every word.
I hope you see this because I would love to hear what you think of my case. I work as a kindergarten teacher and we are researching how we can create a a (fictional )magical world that contain whatever the children want to find there, treasure, adventure, dragons magic. .... And me researching for stimuli I could use to inspire the children and add to their collections of stories to draw from, I watched the sword in the stone....
Now I have been quite anti religious/"hard atheist" basically my whole life, caused by an odd mixture of beeing confused by what you would call the straw man of religion (Me growing up in secular Norway never meeting any better, lets call it proof. and probably an addiction to the feeling of intellectual superiority I got by trying to measure religion with science as measuring tool.
And then the image of myself being so "anti god" and so antagonistically to every aspect of religion suddenly crashed with the weird memory of me 4-5 years old having Merlin, as my own imaginary friend. THE Merlin completely stolen from the animated sword in the stone. A fact about myself i seldom think of but now see in a whole new light using your perspectives on how one should guide oneself to not become a puppet and how the achetypical wise man, the wizard with the clearly omnipotent powers defeat the witchy mother nature madam mim through mastery of the unkown...
I was particularly hoping you could put the Disney Merlin + Arthur through your archetypical deconstruction because right now I fear that god is a bearded wizard that left me when I was seven.......
Hmm I believe Marie Louis von Franz, the student of Jung, did an analysis of the myth of king Arthur's legend
I just found your channel and I am so excited to watch more of your lectures. Thank you!
good luck on this journey.. It is amazing
Extraordinary lesson, as usual, I am eternally grateful for the wisdom shared.
Although, regarding the question at the end of the lesson about the usage of meds for experiences of depression and anxiety, etc. I long for deeper analysis. Actually rather correlated to the last and final question...
Having reflected upon depression most of my adult life, as in periods having experienced periods of tremendously deep lows (as in consumed by suicidal thoughts level) and hopelessness and lethargy, and sharing this tendency with for example my father, I found that at least in my personal experience that sometimes even if all the outer factors of life have been "right" I could still fall into despair. And in my case, I would associate it with a sense of meaninglessness, and even if I had acceptable circumstances and securities I hadn't pushed or challenged myself into the unknown, in the sense of overcoming resistance and fears to do so (the unknown being many different things: out of fear taking "the safe path" with a safe career instead of exploring my real interests and passions). I am certainly not saying that this is true for all, but I do wonder if sometimes, perhaps also for others, there might be more to the story.
And I've come across many different people who don't have the fortune of a very considerate doctor that rapidly prescribe them antidepressants sometimes after only one short consultation. I've just recently experienced this with a friend (who probably was strongly affected by the current isolation due to the famous virus of this time of 2020) who was prescribed not one, but three psychotropic drugs: an antidepressant, an antiepileptic, and even a strong benzo. (Also I found interactions between the meds prescribed, and his other anti-diabetic meds, as he consulted me to have a look.) Medications that are not without complications and consequences. Especially benzos, as JBP, unfortunately, has experienced, I say with all possible respect and immense gratitude that also he shared his story and devastating experience with this medication. I am a so-called pharmacist myself, but skeptical to the search of rapid solutions to sometimes much more profound and complex problems. Also, the fact that we are living in complex societies with oftentimes very high demands and harsh judgmental environments can make life quite complex and maybe let many of us lose track of ourselves, where we are in our lives, and if they feel meaningful... Of course, these are no more than personal reflections and not objective truths. But something I have reflected upon a lot, and still do. For it is so enormously common with depression, and I think it's something that needs to be explored more, for however privileged we truly are, many of us experience deep misery. When I made a long-term traveling I for the first time in my life experienced a deeper sense of gratitude, that was not the "solution", but it was part of it and a change of perspective of the whole meaning of life.
I liked this talk, big fan of biblical archetypes even though I'm atheist. during the Sam Harris podcast I understood why Harris was giving him a hard time, but I do love these biblical archetype metaphors.
This should be a mandatory course everyone takes before they’re 20
@Phoenix it is !
The curious are already partaking. I find it a personal blessing how accessible this information is.
Thank you for your work. I'm so grateful that I have a way to understand the world I live in and how to operate in it. Also, the how to write an essay (how to articulate) is empowering so much that I feel disgusted at my prior education. Thank you so god damn much. I can move forward in a way that's not as slow as going through quicksand. I can dig myself right out. My life is so much easier and more beneficial now.
Around 34:30 he drops "Familiar, Family" comparing two words that sound alike but most people don't think have any connection whatsoever. It's kind of amazing how insight like that is just a split second name drop in his lectures.
Regarding 1:25:00, you basically described my mother in detail.
My mother is a Toronto family lawyer who worked non-stop at the age of 40 to be called to the bar and has had a ridiculous work schedule for almost the past 20 years on top of raising three children. And she's tough. She also has a lot of other issues and honestly, I think that you may have been describing her exactly (you may possibly have met her at some point so I wouldn't rule it out).
Here's my question: For women who can work that kind of lifestyle (children and high stress job), what are the negatives that affect family members and friends around them? If it burns them out quickly, does this mean that other issues such as schizophrenia or simple neuroticism manifest themselves much easier?
What a great lecture, thanks JP
This is he best lecture so far. Outstanding.
His analysis of high end female lawyers is spot on. My older sister is the general counsel to the department of water resources here in CA. She has that job because she worked for a private firm (working 80 hours a week) for about four years before she was burnt out and wanted kids. She ended up taking the government job because the hours were excellent (comparatively) and she wouldn’t have to sacrifice having a family.
Did you see the film, 'Arrival'? It would be great to hear you analyze it one day. I wonder what you'd think of its take on the descent into the belly of the whale, and on the voluntary suffering of the individual. It was archetypal, through and through. Thank you for all the high quality content.
I always feel like applauding at the end of each lecture. Happy the class did so at the end of this one!
What an ending! You know you're in a proper lecture that wraps it all up.
Your videos make me grow as a person mr Peterson, I will be forever grateful, and will continue what you teach to my future kids.
Jordan you mentioned doing a series in which you cover the bible in its entirety...I would be THRILLED to watch that! I'm 29 and you have genuinely introduced me to a completely new way to look at religion for the first time in my life! Love your work, thank you!!!!!!!
Same. JP has inspired a new thirst for religious understanding.
This is an incredible lecture! Is there any way you could share the slideshows?
Love these lectures so much thank you!! I just wanted to add that looking at the patients dietary and exercise habits may also be important before prescribing antidepressants...just a thought, and I'm not a doctor
A genius speaking knowleadgeably about quantum physics, biology and psychology in an interesting practical way. Each lecture is a braingasm. Thanks for this Dr. Peterson
So true. Nice username, man
1hour 35 in. Thanks Jordan I am glad you understand this and thanks for sharing this info. I was totally despised by my father. I assume its bc i was the reason he got "stuck" with a life choice that would never leave. I felt the repercussions of that so much I blocked him from my life my care. I have the most selfish parents and it really does make a negative difference in a life. I have also walked the walk of raising 2 young men on my own since they were babies on 1 income as 1 person. Strong enough to have done this and continuing to do this. I am so glad I found your lectures. Thank You♥️
End of the last video: “Good enough. I’ll see you in a week”.
Me: “see you in 10 seconds!!” And thank God for you Jordan Peterson. These lectures are so valuable. I think if everyone really took the time to watch, the world would be in a much better place!
"Wandering off in a single direction is extraordinarily dangerous, you will eventually fall over a cliff" Damn, that was so simple yet so eye opening.
@stvbrsn innteresting
Yes, but this dynamic is also illustrated in one of the archetypes: the fool in the tarot deck.
Sometimes one must risk carelessly walking off the cliff in order to experience true freedom. It’s a trade off.
All of these lectures have so many great bits of information and insight. This is perhaps one of the most important, for me, in understanding how all of these ideas hold together. Amazing.
I've been noticing interesting parallel themes as he discusses potential becoming actualized and how that overlaps with Aristotle/Thomas Aquinas and hylomorphic dualism. Those are ideas worth pondering 🤔 Thanks for your work, Dr. Petermson 👏
this is absolutely marvelous. i love these talks and recently bought the book =)
So much brilliance and elucidation in every statement.
There is an urgency in his message. For good reason. Do not fear, make haste.
Cleaning my room and listening to this at the same time... Synchronicity indeed
From 1:07:06, the 35 seconds that follow is my favourite part of the video. Very true.
Excellent! Thank you Dr. Peterson.
I'm not sure how these students don't ask more questions. After three questions he's like "Any more questions?" and the students are like "newp" and I'm like "YES!".
Me too !
This sort of implicit intelligence in our actions he talks about is sooooososo interesting to think about it.
It has to be a mix of a collective intelligence (I mean that literally) and the unconscious. That makes it a mystery, which is probably why I find it so interesting
I have been listening to Mr. Peterson for about a week straight now while I paint, he is a very deep thinker. I think he picked up the dying torch of Joseph Campbell and basically started a bonfire with it! So glad to have a positive role model in opposition to our current post modern deconstructionist obsessed society. Thank you so much for posting these.
I have found a very interesting convergence of this lecture with - of all things - an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation called "Darmok". The crew encounters a culture whose sole mode of communication consists of naming the archetype relevant for a given situation. Unfortunately, these archetypes are not known to the crew, so they cannot communicate with the aliens. The Unknown is so unknown that Picard has no cognitive tools to even try to unpack it. But the alien captain kidnaps - in a way - Picard down to a planet, where they have to live through an archetypical situation, grappling together with a beast. They are forced to develop modes of communications which they can name - each in their own way. This shared experience becomes the core of their mutual understanding. The archetypes are such core for all of us, sometimes not articulated but somehow common and somehow accessible for all. Obtaining that understanding, that sort of emotional cohesion is - as the film suggest - even worthy of ultimate sacrifice.
His eyes wide open.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.
1:12:08 "the potential from which this figures are emerging is looking like a musical construction, it's like a symphony. It's this layer of harmonious patterns that make up being. And thats what this image represents." WOW! When I heard this I immediately had to think of the Silmarillion, where Tolkien described the Creation of the "LOTR Universe" just like that: A synphony. Mindblowing....
I'm 50 and Dr. Peterson is inspiring me to go back to school, but where the heck in Texas USA do you find an instructor with his wisdom!?! Thank you for sharing your passion!!
Thank you for recording and sharing this JP.
All of his lectures take me 1.5x-2x more time to watch. I’m not native in English, so I keep rewinding in order to fully fathom the concepts being uttered. But the feeling of a sage I have afterwards makes every second worth more, than of a damn Snyder Cut.
Delighted to hear such a well deserved applause at the end! So good to see students respecting such a profound intellectual and dedicated teacher! Truly inspiring! Thank you Dr Peterson!
I would ask so many questions if I were in his class.
The most powerful lecture ever..
I think this is his best lecture.
Or maybe it's just the one I've listened to most recently
I thought for a second, that I'm very grateful to live in a world where he can be critical of the universities while leading this class and no one is trying to shut him down, then I remembered.
What fortunate people you are to have Peterson as a professor
Shari Pi What a great story! and Werner I agree with you about this lecture (have listened to them all) And all the rest of you - it just feels great to be participating and thinking along with you. Thank you.
"Before you are disciplined you are not free, you are just chaotic." - JBP
this is the best lecture i've seen him give thusfar. fantastic.
We were discussing dreams in a philosophy lecture about Freud today (at U of T), I brought up how you're scholarship features Jungian Archetypes, and I argued that dreams can possess significant meaning!
Best lecture thus far, IMO. Dr. P is especially fired up in this one.
After every JP lecture I always listen to Wagner, I just get a craving for that type of dramatic mythological art
We're so lucky we have the internet and that we can listen to JP
The Passion and energy! And knowledge!!
Professor you would love the "monogatari series" of anime. It mind blowingly incorporates all of the ideas you talk about in a Anime(cartoon) that young boys and adults can love. Not as female friendly since it's centered on a male protagonist but takes in all of these ideas from all your lectures and makes them into an amazing and beautiful anime. Obviously it was written long before you started making all these videos with the anime starting in 2008 but the books were written a while before that. But it's difficult to believe you guys have no connection and if the writer weren't Japanese I'd be certain he had taken influence from you haha
Amazing! Thank you so much for uploading your lectures.
Thank YOU Jordan Peterson!!! You simply sharing this knowledge has completely transformed my life… started absorbing this information back in 2017 when i was working 3 jobs; a butcher , a chef & a server at three different places. Was completely broke selling cocaine & other substances to feed my habits of BEiNG hell bent on self destruction… for starters i was lying to myself & my intimate partner on the daily… scheming & co-creating iNFiNiTE headed hydras with almost every interaction & relationship. Started to “enter the dragons” & stop lying to myself & others… then i slowly let go of my drug addictions including my self loathing. Worked on cleaning up my living spaces, moved to a different state & created a daily routine. I’m almost 27; For the last four years having a daily practice to help ground myself & focused on gratitude instead of PAiN. Thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson, words cannot describe my appreciation & limitless LOVE for you & everyone YOU love & have helped establish a iNTEGRAL consciousness. 🌬♾🕸💗🌊🛸🌊🌔✨☀️❤️🔥