@Carlos Eduardo because they’ve been culturally suppressed like all cultures that stagnate and are surrounded by foes. Third world countries never had a chance to become more advanced. A people like Wakandans however have been isolated and delved into technology. Their culture should have democratic elections, thereby freeing it’s citizens from the tyranny of being ruled by a single man, and traditions like “trial by combat” are the traditions of warlike peoples from around the world over. Violence cannot be promoted in a society that says it only cares for peace. So it’s both culturally disingenuous and made the Wakandans into hypocrites.
@MrLuckless I'm not even mad or anything just pointing incompetency has no gender especially if it's out of someone's element. It's like hiring Michael Bay to write a movie without mindless action and explosions and then being disappointed when he expectedly fails at it and the movie sucks because that is the only thing he knows how to do.
@Syndrome Normally I'd agree with you, but Disney-Marvel (or whoever is running it) is explicitly going out of their way to hire female writers to replace or undermine the male heroes of a franchise that has a primarily male audience. It has everything to do with gender because they are in no uncertain terms making it about gender. If it weren't, then there wouldn't have been such a concerted effort to do as I said above with all of their own characters. Don't get upset with me for pointing out the patterns that Disney-Marvel has made. So yes, both genders may have the ability to write good stories with interesting characters, however only one is getting work at Disney-Marvel and that one in particular is feeling rather vindictive over imaginary privilege.
I honestly think they used Bozeman's death just to fill seats. I don't doubt that his costars were saddened by the loss but this feels like "The Crow:City of Angels" all over again but with an insane budget.
His death was a big draw because they sold this shitty movie as honor piece for him. This movie is crap so they just crapped all over him. It’s shameful. If they had at least sent his character off in a heroic manner, it would have felt better than what we got.
@Agiks F. It makes me glad to find comments like this after a sea of endless, senseless praise. This is why I don't trust people's claims when it comes to entertainment anymore. People criticize movies like Eternals for having a messy plot but then go on to praise the shit out of No Way Home when it's plot is just as if not even more so ridiculous and contrived asf. Not to mention filled with quite a bit of character assassination largely involving the villains, Tobey, Andrew, and especially Dr. Strange who for the entire film was just a plot device. I don't understand how people can even feel for the nostalgia and whatnot when the movie's story doesn't support it in any way. It's like Platoon said, people will completely ignore the rules when it comes to the things they visually like to see. In this case Tobey, Andrew and a bunch of shoed in callbacks that add nothing.
@The Little Platoon I want to admit that I didn't know that Black Panther 1 and 2 was a racist stereotype of indigenous tribes within Africa. I honestly thought they were just keeping in check with the comic book lore and TV show lore of The Black Panther. I honestly thought they were just sticking close to the actual OG lore of Black Panther with some creative liberties taken. I did not know they actually tried to base the fictional country of Wakanda in the fictional Universe of the Marvel series on the actual indigenous tribes within the real country of Africa! That is honestly really distasteful, disrespectful, foolish, and absolutely embarrassing. I'm actually ashamed that I even enjoyed the 1st movie back then. At least I know now and I will try to keep it in mind in the future. Thank you very much @TheLittlePlatoon for letting me know, I appreciate it a lot.😁👍💖☺️🌷🌺
When the AI tells Rammonda that Shuri's kidnappers spoke "Maya" i almost bursted out laughing cause Maya isn't a single language it is a language family, it would be like getting captured by Russian mobsters and the AI says they spoke "Slavic". Perhaps the silly thing is that according to the producers, Namor and the Talokans speak Yucatec Maya that is the same as the Mayans who still live in the Yucatan peninsula, How an isolated civilization speaks the same way as natives who have been affected by outside influences? It also doesn't help Namor's actor Tenoch Huerta is basically Killmonger but Latino pontificating on how "dark-skinned" people have only been casted as Drug Dealers in American movies.
@joseph williams Mayyyyyybbbeee its cuz futurisitc GREEK has been done 27 times before and they thought "hey since we dealing with african culture tropes lets try something new with atlantis for once"
@joseph williams Well actually Atlantis was not Greek at all. They were kind of a civilization from the edge of the world so in other words : strangers. Making them Mesoamerican is not that farfetched. What would be dumb is to make them Greek.
yucatec maya hasn’t changed really at all since the spanish colonizers came, it’s really just how it is. idk what kind of “gotcha” you were trying to pull with the movie, but it fails regardless. also the ai said yucatec maya. not maya. yucatec maya. lol listen next time.
Grats on such a perceptive and accurate comment 👍 Apparently the AI in Phase 4 is also dumber than in previous versions... 🙄 Jarvis would've said something along the lines of: _"They appear to be speaking an archaic dialect of Mayan origins"_ Unfortunately, this film feels the need to "dumb it down" for the audience.
In a way Disneys portrayal of these civilizations is pretty accurate. Self-sustaining civilizations with ridiculous amounts of resource who were conquered or driven away because they were too incompetent.
@Syndrome To want to argue that we should adopt the survival strategy of dumb prey animals... maybe you should reconsider. We didn't get to the top of the food chain by being helpless.
@Syndrome and 80,000 years of human population growth stress the point that there are MULTIPLE survival strategies for a species. Ours involves communal living, seasonal planning, and tool use. Medicine is one of those tools. You really don't seem to understand that 'fittest' doesnt necessarily mean feats of strength. Is a fit man who abandons his child because it suffered damage in an animal attack going to pass on his genes? Not if he abandons the child! Those herd species... a new member basically grows to survival size within 1-2 years. Humans take a dozen. ITS A DIFFERENT MODEL. WE INVEST IN THE FUTURE.
Question that just popped into my head; if Namor and his people were stronger than the Conquistadors, and did beat the ones who came for their village without much of a struggle… then how come the Conquistadors still won?
@joseph williams I know, they just wanted to force that shit in there. I’m Greek, I have to say, the MCU hasn’t been that kind to their Greek characters. Elektra was Asianized, that imbecile, Waititi, made a complete mockery out of our pantheon, Namor’s past is linked with Greek mythology and that got completely erased for some bullshit story that doesn’t make any sense… As others have pointed out though, the funny irony in all this, is how they have a Mexican sneak into another country from the water, without realising what they’re doing.
@BlackLives OrBlackVotes He usually attacks the surface world in retaliation towards something done by them. Namor would have no reason to invade the surface world because an alien wiped out half of all life. Especially since half of his people would be gone, so his main priority would be helping Talokan recover. That’s going based on the assumption that Namor didn’t die during the Blip.
@Victor Nieves no he wouldn’t have. Namor literally spends all his time in the ocean. Plus, who’s to say Namor wouldn’t be so stricken with grief and anger that he would actively deny what people were saying just to attack the surface world. He attacked the surface for FAR LESS in the comics. No excuses. Shit writing and world building is shit. This movie is a completely crapfest.
@Junaid Farooqiwhat if he disappeared in the blip too, we don't know cuz they never actually show us the impact it had on universe in a believable way, just few dialogues here and there. Hell in the very next film after endgame, spiderman 2, they were all joking about it
Chadwick shouldnt be remembered for one role just because it was his most popular, he has done other roles and actions/quotes that are as much more inspiring than black panther. It makes me incredibly mad that the media AND the public only remembers him for it, the man was even visibly getting exhausted (in each photos) of doing the wakanda salutation pose with fans.
I'm not a physics major but no way do those wings generate enough thrust to lift a fully grown man. At last Stark's suits have a veneer of plausibility
@GeekyMD exactly it's comic book magic. That's fine. No need to suck the fun out of movies. If they add science it's probably incorrect. Doesn't matter. The only thing real world science adds in a fictional setting is an additional cool thing to nerd out about.
@Matthew Carey funny thing is that the MCU tries to give scientific explanations for some of the powers. Such as quicksilver’s speed caused by increased metabolism and namor’s strength being due to aerobic and anaerobic respiration when they’re clearly caused by comic book magic.
I think that one of the funniest things about Black Panther is that Richard Spencer has come out in full support of Wakanda since he too believes in the idea of a supremacist, isolationist ethno state
Okay to add a little context to why M'Baku makes monkey noises: in the comics, M'Baku is the Man-Ape, a man in a gorilla suit much like how Rhino wears a rhino suit. Of course that would be too silly for the MCU, so they changed him.
@Lucifer Morningstar Memes about the left ruining America with “cultural Marxism” with soyjacks and Tyrone memes definitely aren’t about making fun of racist stereotypes. The memes complaining about trans people definitely aren’t making fun of transphobes, they’re literally written to make the racist/sexist/anti semitic person to be rational in them, what is it other than a shitty political cartoon?
@Gran Darkfang Man-Ape killed the legendary Albino Gorilla and wore its skin, it fused to him and changed his anatomy, which is why he acts like a gorilla in the comics
@James Smith memes are offensive, yeah. But that's the point. They can be funny by making fun of the racist stereotypes. That's why people make memes about stuff
Unfortunately the audience is so shallow that the movie did not need to earn any of its crying moments, I have seen in the theatre most people were weeping along while I was rolling my eyes about how revolting it is to use someone's death to sell a movie.....
Damn bro you still go to the movies? unless it's like Tarantino i know it's trash so i don't even bother. I haven't set foot in a cinema since The Force Awakens.
The movie is so woke that female characters can kill innocent male cops without consequences (Riri), can survive vibranium-smashing water bombs in the face (Okoye), beat up multiple big men easy and continue fighting after a spear impalement right thru the spine (Shuri). Girl power!
Idk bout the cop thing but most male characters have done this and okoye is apart of the Dora Milaje she’s trained to beat down men besides many male characters have fought through impalement
So I haven't watched Marvel movies in some time now, and EFAP and this channel keeps confirming that I made a good choice. But I have to ask: If I follow what you said correctly, Namor heared Shuri say she wants to burn the world down because her brother died. The writers want to use this as an argument for why he would think it is logical that Namor asks her to help him since he hates the world as well? Because that quite literally translates into "a loved one died of cancer therefore genocide." It is complete insanity.
@Yuri Kendal Queen Ramonda isn't a queen in this film. The only initiative she takes as a ruler is "firing" Okoye and seeking out Nakia to rescue Shuri. Otherwise, she's just reacting to events. She even gives Shuri the freedom to do as she sees fit, which is how both Riri and herself are captured.
I was telling my friend about the plot to this movie, and at some point I got on to the fact that Virbranium seems to also be used as a power source for much of the tech in the movie. We then went down the rabbit hole about how that means it must be radioactive while also being stable, which is impossible. It really is just a magic metal at this point and it is very frustrating how the people who write these movies just hand wave even basic science in their world building.
@Свобода для россии The French kinda started this almost a century earlier ... when Napoleon started marching through Europe (except Britain and Skandinavia). Incidentally ... the French Revolution is also the birthplace of something that Germany gets also blamed for, because the "EMOTIONAL SOLVING OF PROBLEMS" (by chopping off heads) / eliminating a social caste "because they are that social caste" ... is proto-communism.
@Schwift_Nation Eh, the 17th century world as a whole could wipe the floor with that; The second half of the 80 Years' War, & the French Wars of Religion- that had begun in the previous century, the 30 Years' War (which Churchill considered the closest thing to a world war, before the Great War- along with the later 7 Years' War); this included the Wars of the Three Kingdoms (which *_also_* included the *3* English Civil Wars- which even expanded into America for a hot minute with the Battle of the Severn, plus the concurrent events in Scotland & Ireland), the Anglo-Dutch Wars, the Franco-Spanish Wars, & the start of the Jacobite Rebellions - & **all** of that is not including all the conflicts *outside* of Great Britain & Central & Western Europe; whatever inter-kingdom conflicts were happening in the East, Africa, the Americas, & Asia- & I have no doubt it was *a lot* I'm not sure there was _a single year_ in the 17th Century where there was no conflict involving one or more major nations - & if I recall correctly, the 19th century was known as the Age of Revolution, so it seems like things were not much better 200 years on...
I’m going out on a limb here and saying that this movie struck a nerve, given the truly brobdingnagian levels of snark coming through here. God, I adore the dry snark. “The standards are so good, you just can’t help but double them.” Thank you again for your efforts to make entertainment entertaining and intelligent again.
This actually brings me back to the logic fail of the Winter Soldier show: "So... Wakanda didn't demand the US extradite their leader's assassin to face Wakandan justice. Falcon released said assassin, who subsequently escapes even US justice. Rather than lose their collective sh^^, end cooperation with all US agents, and demand both Falcon and Buckey be taken into custody; Wakanda instead makes a super suit for one of the *US* soldiers responsible; out of their exclusive strategic resource. Where tf is this supposed to make sense?"
This was a slow moving slog of a story. Those arms on Angela Bassett though...🔥🔥🔥. Didn't like her character arc...but she was the only thing keeping me from falling asleep in the theater. Such a wonderful and gifted actress who is so fit it blows my mind. Much respect!
@Wings of Prophecy Really? Gosh, we've missed out. Halle has zero presence as Storm. But Angela would've been magnificent! Loved her in 'How Stella got her groove back'. Now that I think of it - for me, all the main ladies in original X-men trilogy are miscast and very underwhelming (beside Mystique). Rogue! Oh, my beloved Rogue. I could never stand her in the movies.
Everyone wanted her to play Storm way back in the first X men movie. But we got stuck with lame ass Halle Berry instead. No surprise that she's the best thing in this film.
One thing I want to add is. I watched this movie in South Africa the country where the Wakandan language came from. During the death scene people in my theater laughed because of how bad the accent they were speaking with
And yet, Disney is reporting that this movie saved the downward spiral of movies at the theaters. It only goes to show you that there are some people who will eat crap for a meal and walk away thinking they ate a meal fit for a king. People can be very easily manipulated.
Nah, it's underperforming badly. It will make hundreds of millions less than the first movie. While the death of the actor should have made it make more money. Similarly to what happened to Fast and Furious 7.
I haven't watched this yet. Because phase 4 has the following formula: 1)Former Male hero now has a highly skilled female hero that outshines them or matches their skill set with none of the 'negative' traits of personality. 2) Every significant female is strong and powerful. 3) The villian has some sort of tragic back story that makes them less villainous. 4) Gender, Sexuality, Non nuclear family structures, race is some woven into the naritive. Not all, but at least one or two of these. 5) the female protagonists only significant flaw is the toxic men surrounding her. Most of the established heros by the end of phase 3 had earned their status. They had flaws that they had to overcome or minimize. Tony Stark started out egotistical and selfish. Even creating the arc reactor and iron man suits were self preservation. In End game his motivations are still slightly selfish, but his preservation and motives now extend to his daughter. An argument could be made that he sacrificed himself willingly to ensure she lived. The rest of the Universe was just an added bonus.
@B.C. Royce Art as someone who reads quite a lot of fantasy, it's very important to just stay far the fuck away from a book once you catch that scent. And it's not like you CAN'T have a story where PROPER feminism is actually appropriate. There's a series that I very much like called Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons. It's about a girl that's reincarnated into another world, and in this more primitive society women have it pretty shit, almost NO rights. BUT while the main character is understandably pissed about this, especially as she IS a girl, she also just has to accept she can't change it and just opts to live the best life she can. The books aren't preachy, they don't DENIGRATE men either. There are a LOT of really good male role models in this series. Honestly this series is a great example of how to write a feminist character CORRECTLY. That is to have a CLEAR injustice and have her seek out a way to solve it, but also not having that BE the story. This story is NOT about her changing the system, nearly the entire series she's working WITHIN the system and the sexism is just the occasional "for fuck's sake, just let me withdraw my money". The main character also isn't a Mary Sue at all, she has her niche and she's great at THAT, but outside that niche she's basically a chump and she knows it. It's actually a great series, I recommend it. It's lengthy, there's like 7 or 8 books and counting, but it's consistently well written throughout.
I’ve actually unwittingly read a few sci fi/fantasy books from feminist authors recently. What I have noticed is a trend of narcissism. In all their books the women are physically and intellectually superior to men, yet they tend to be held back or submissive to the “toxic” make power structure. When reading you get the feeling that the author believes that if it weren’t for men then women and the entire earth would be this perfect utopia. It’s actually hard to finish reading these books because every interaction between man and woman is the same formula (he’s evil, shes virtuous, she’s stronger and smarter, yet she acts like a slave to the male power structure of society,) there’s a lot more in leaving out but when you’re aware of it you see these writers SUCK and are promoted/hired based on pushing this agenda. Same with these movies.
Damn I was hoping you where going to point out when the freeky fish people say they don't wanna be found out by the world and how ridiculous that is. Due to the fact that shield had a map that we see at the end credits of Iron Man 2 that set up Black Panther and Namor. Just because it happened 11 years ago doesn't mean the fans will just forget
The scuba suits thing was actually set up. It was a callback to the earlier scene where the Americans were using them, and Namor killed them. So, normally they wouldn't have equipment to take Shuri to their underwater city, but because they happened to kill two Americans with those suits, Namor could let her use one of them.
Not defending the movie, the movies inability to explain this is a definite failure on it's part and is inexcusable. I just want to point out that, in the comics, a sudden mood or motivation shift for Namor like this is reasonable When Namor is out of the water he is subject to massive mood shifts and stuff, so much so that he can go from Hero to Villain in an incredibly brief period of time Yes the films failure to show this is bad, yes that excuse in the comics in and of itself is pretty dumb, I'm just the messenger boy lol
So Namor does not have to be on a certain day of the month for that? Can it be the pollution in the air? The result of a fish being outside of salty water for too long?
@BWMagus I 100% agree. As I said the movies inability to explain why Namor changes so much is a failure on the movies part, I'm just explaining why this would be happening *from a comics perspective.* From a movies perspective this is happening because....reasons ig
Fair, but we can't let the movies get away with things by saying "It's in the comics!" when they turn around and throw out so much from the comics. Some changes are expected but they barely try sometimes.
Fun fact: Riri blinks 10 times in that 3 second clip. Also, I still can't get over the fact that they hired such an out of shape looking dude to play quite possibly one of the most historically ripped characters in MARVEL history.
It still amazes me how good Draco Malfoy is at film critique. I remain distracted by the fact that in the "Rings of Power - Bad Lore and Worse Writing" video our host, Mr. Malfoy, actually exclaimed "Oh my giddy aunt". (Which was awesome, BTW)
I don't know if it took you thirty minutes, an hour, or ten. But every moment you spent adding the Nokia ringtone everytime you mention her character was absolutely worth it.
I assumed they were Sea Mayans, not Sea Aztecs. But if they were so badly defined I guess that point doesn't really matter. They already made a superficial scramble for Wakanda, makes sense they'd do the same on the other side of the Atlantic.
It wasn’t always like this was it… There was a time when the series flourished without ‘woke energy’ and a pathetic attempt at ‘gender diversity.’ A time when the movies were fun and enjoyable despite its few plot holes and qualms. A time when the MCU was this unstoppable unbeatable juggernaut. No one could deny how impressive and amazing it was. That was until their owners. Decide to fill it with crap ideas and only fed us the laugh a minute crap with tone deaf humour and 2022 meta commentary.
By anti-woke standards black panther has always been woke. Black panther always dealt with racism and a lot of these female centered stories are in the books.Shuri does become black Panther.
So eloquently explained why this film doesn't work. You really nailed it when you said, "why didn't the Talacons just kill the girl on the bride and leave the princess?" 😅 So true. But then we wouldn't have a 3 hour movie. 😂
It was a quick scene, but I believe Queen Ramunda (potentially) dies due to Michonne ( who we've seen doesn't like using Shuri's tech ) uses old fashioned tried and true chest compressions on her mother vs. Shuri placing the wakandan defibrillators on Riri. Nikea? Finnally touches her bracelet to the queen's To check her vitals but it's too late and Riri revives. Touching upon the failure of rescue attempts and crisis of decision making from the opening of the movie... It's also never addressed in the movie, ( so much drama left unexplored) but Michonne finally learns from her mistake when using the Midnight Angel weapon at the end of her arc.
The resuscitation scene felt weird because...you're supposed to free the drowning victim's nose and mouth from the excess water by tilting their face to the side and keeping their mouth open. It's even recommended to perform a Heimlich maneuver to remove water from their lungs and respiratory tract (and given that Riri started coughing up water after defibrillation, there WAS water in their lungs and mouth). But Okoye went straight to doing CPR on Ramunda without clearing her respiratory tract first (Riri was supposed to be dead too, tbh). This is why I didn't find the scene tragic because I felt like Ramunda's death was totally preventable, the plot just decided she should die for the drama.
They mentioned in the film why vibranium worked differently on wakandan and Aztecs....it caused a mutation. In Marvel mutation has a lot of variation. Parent mutants tend to have kids with similar powers...not a rule but, a tendency.
I’m an East African and a huge cinefile and I really appreciate your critique, shame there’s not as much criticism coming from within the community. If you can call a billion people spread across multiple places and with many different (mostly stupid) beliefs a community ❤
Being short is a disability, and as a tall person, it's your responsibility to make sure short people don't get even more disabled by having to look up to speak to you. Doing this can damage their neck. Standing up while talking to short people also makes them feel threatened and unsafe so kneeling down not only prevents them from damaging their necks but also makes them feel more safe. Not doing this means you don't respect short people, you're mocking their disability, you're looking down on them and that's ableist, so be the bigger man and kneel. Thank you.
@Senbei-Kun At some times, tall people should toss short people in the air, saying "Look how tall you are, little fella", and catch them and toss again. This way short people will gain belief in themselves.
Good review. I haven't watched the movie, but I think Namor counts as a Maya and not an Aztec if I'm not mistaken. Also, the term Hispanic certainly includes the Spanish, as it comes from the Roman term Hispania (used to denote the Iberian peninsula)
It doesn't matter. The Maya were almost as horrible as the Aztecs. In fact, the first recorded contact between a Maya people and the Spanish was when shipwrecked sailors were washed ashore and subsequently sacrificed. Only two survivors managed to escape. The maya culture was pretty warlike and oppressive, much like the Aztecs. They were finally conquered, much like the Aztecs, when the small group of Conquistadors gathered a host of other allied native tribes that were tired of Mayan bullshit. Ofc, they got "colonizer bullshit" instead, but it's not like the Maya were apart of some prosperous, innocent, peace-loving utopia. I'm not saying these deserved being brutally repressed by the Spanish, but it's not like they were innocent here. The only difference was the scale of power being wielded, not the morals of the one wielding them. The bit about 'hispanics' is mostly to point out the delusional hypocrisies of the woke mob. They can't separate the fact that many people in "the global south" identity as white on account of them... being white. There was a large amount of Europeans that settled in South and Central America... and not just during the times of colonial rule. Whenever bad shit was happening in Europe, more Europeans jumped ship for the Americas. Fast forward a few generations (and centuries), and you have white hispanics growing up in under developed countries and identifying with the local cultures. Many of them make their way into America as well. In the minds of hte delusional woke mob, these people are both "oppressor" and "oppressed" at the same time. They can't comprehend this dichotomy. White people = evil. Brown people = good. "White Hispanic" is a "brown/white and good/evil" person. It ruins both their jargon and world view, so obviously it's a problem of racism and not their own idiocy.
@Henk Henkste When they used Stan Lee's account after he passed to promote what ever it was I was fucking done with Marvel or comics or anyting in that department. Whom ever made that descion is insane...
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You have somehow become one of my favourite unwind channels, love it. I watched this movie knowing there would be a Little Platoon video coming out soon👌🏾
It's crazy how if they just wrote riri to NOT get captured and shuri to be alone to exp,ain why namor is being so soft with shuri bc he wants her to convince wakanda to hand her over
Why didnt the film decide to link tchala's death with the main plot? Have him investigate the new under water vibranium source only to be mysteriously killed by vibranium. Then have an arc where they suspect each other then tie it into namor's introduction as a character. Even put a crown on his head or something when hes introduced. Then the audience and the characters both have a reason to see naymore lose.
Sucks that literally the only character they had slightly developed died before they could use him to make a sequel. So we now have heaps of undeveloped cookie cutter characters to make a movie out of
On the "it was smart to burn the magic Wakandan flower", you can see the exact problem with the super soldier serum. It used to be "it only worked on Cap and the only man who could make it was killed". It gave Cap a unique quality and history. But then Disney decided that any random person could make more and now "super soldiers" are a dime a dozen and nobody cares anymore because it's just an excuse to give random schmucks with no backstory superpowers.
funnily enough the actor portraying Namor actually said in an interview that the bulge picture is the doctored photo and that the "shrunk" photo is actually a real on set photo
I really thought that Juri and namor during her visit to takola where mutual antoginist. Juri wanted to visit NOt Namor's 'city' to try to undersantd him. He was trying to get something out of her and Juri knew this. It was a diplomatic visit, not a shipping one. The gift from Namor was to remind her of that visit and something that they might have had in common, which they didnt of course, but that was Namor's blunder.
Namor's mutation was the ankle wings. He would've been born with them regardless if his mother drank the blue juice or not. He got it second hand from his mother in utero. Not a full dose. So no gills. Him being a mutant gave his skin water absorption as a response to the herb instead. That just gave him water based abilities, probably due to the fact the herb was growing underwater. Wakandas was not and it was a completely different color. I assumed this was why it gave super strength and agility instead of Aquaman powers. Also since they're doing Xmen now, random ppl are going to be born with exploding stomachs, heat vision, and ice powers, and there will be NO logical explanation for it. If Namor makes no sense to you, I would advise jumping ship now because it's only going to get more ridiculous.
29:17 The MCU is in absolute shambles, that crap right there killed me with laughter. I can only imagine the amount of pride the actor mustve had, when he realized his utility hose was so great they cgi-ed it out
One thing that bothers me greatly with modern movie and television is how everyone, from the heroes to the villains, seem to just possess knowledge they should not in order to progress and often accelerate the "plot." It is as though they have taken a moment to watch the film before we did. It leads to the whole thing feeling utterly contrived.
This movie proved another thing, that hollywood is held ideologically hostage by their own beliefs in a relationship of blackmail because everyone in this movie can be called out for a multitude of the racism they claim to be fighting like the creators or “cuties” claiming to be fighting child predators.
They explained the blue plant in the movie. Vibranium can mutate organisms, that’s why the heart shaped herb exists. A similar thing happened to an under water plant near the Yucatán peninsula. It’s the reason why shuri was able to make a new year shaped herb using genetic samples from the blue plant. The blue one gives water based abilities probably because it was an underwater plant.
You missed the part where Nakia doesn't let Shuri save the female smurf guard with magical balls because if she had the plot wouldn't have moved forward with waging war
To be fair to the little mermaid, it seemed when i watched it that she didn't die from sadness, but just old age (while being sad), and chubby fish child was just still a fish child many years later. Can you imagine puberty lasting for decades? No wonder he wanted to destroy the whole world.
I thought that marvel had the intent to make the villain’s plan a bit more realistic… since they’ve had a lot of hiccups with villains before and they also gave us some good villains…. Namor seemed to be easy enough, don’t know how they messed him up
This is the kind of films that would be considered mediocre 10 years ago. But it is considered decent now a days because of how far our standards have fallen in the quality of movie making.
You should be hired to write for Marvel, my brother. Nice work, content enjoyed. Reviews from you and your YT friends are more entertaining than the actual movies these days.
At the least he should edit. The fact that he gives a damn about plot continuity and logistics implies that he could write circles around the current hires.
So this is what I took away from the film..the Mayans consumed the flower while sick so I thought it was implied that the illness combined w taking the flower caused them to transform and I don’t remember namor’s dad being transformed so I think namor was still technically half human which made him different from everyone else.
And I don’t think namor wanted to off iron heart but he gave that ultimatum to end up having the girl in his possession as a prisoner to build more technology for their society
I haven't read the Black Panther comics so I don't know if Shuri ever becomes black panther in the comics or not. But as far as MCU is concerned, I really feel Nakia or Okoye would have been better choices.
I noticed that Namor is called Kukulcan, the Mayan serpent god of the sky, but he and his people are Aztec so he should be referred to by the Aztec version of this god Quetzalcoatl. That's like saying you are Jupiter the god of the Roman's but referring to yourself as the Greek name Zeus.
In order to flood Queen Ramonda's thrown which is high up on the Bashenga mountain above the statue of the panther goddess Bast, which Wakanda is already 1100 feet above sea level and landlocked with no river channels (proven in previous MCU movies shown in maps) with only the lake Turkana it shares with Kenya, all of Wakanda would have had to be submerged; effectively killing all its inhabitants. Not to mention there's not enough gallons of water in Lake Turkana to pull that off anyway.
@The little platoon The reason Namor has wings on his legs is because his a mutant. This would have been explained in the movie clearly as to how some Atlanteans mutated and while others used Atlantean magic and adapted to the marine environment, rather than using the heart shape herb McGuffin which they butchered how it works in the first movie.
The solve I would have for the same plant giving slightly different powers would be that one was grown in a dessert and one was basically grown in the water. If they derived their fuel for growth from the biological matter they were exposed to. one got it's supply from decaying mammal and the other largely from fish or other oceanic life.
I used to be annoyed that marvel acted like New York is the only city that exists, but given what has happened to the mcu since, let them just stay quarantined there!
That's why I adore the Marvel Netflix series, lived in and familiar but big enough for things to happen without breaking everything and small enough for characters to interact
What I noticed as I watched was that Namor rly didnt know they weren’t going to turn her in, necessarily when they showed up. They were running to get away from the cops and so he attacked with a water grenade. If I was a helper before, I surely would put up resistance now. As the fleeing could have been part of the kidnap plan. :/ they were just winning her over diplomatically. I think namor screwed his own plan up by attacking first, again, not using in-movie logic but meta logic that shuri and dora are good and will NOT kidnap the child.
I watched the movie a few days ago and i saw your first part of the review before i did,after i finished the movie though i felt conflicted,it had potential and the main character is the best part of the movie,but overall the movie is very mid,not good,not bad, just a movie that people will forget about in a few months
When I first saw one of your reviews last week, I immediately suspected, based on the quality and style of your arguments, that we come from a similar academic background. Looks like I was right - glad to see not all other philosophers/ethicists have been assimilated into the Collective just yet! I've binge watched a couple of dozen of your videos, and look forward to many more - thanks!
Great video explaining why this film should not receive any awards except for maybe one or two actors who gave great performances despite the film being awful. We already know that it will be praised as the greatest film ever and be given awards for areas where it is appalling.
It is possible that the deal for wakanda to launch a first strike was a rouse to make the whole world focus on wakanda, and forget Atlantis even existed. But there was never a scene setting up the possibility, so at best, the audience has to come to the conclusion by themselves without any proof
i can’t get over how he calls queen romanda “ queen romanda velaryon, the first of her name. “ that shit had me dying of laughter fr. i personally loved this movie but you made some valid points.
I’m a black American man that loves all aspects of film making and I gotta say I didn’t really enjoy the first one too much, there was plenty I liked about it but a lot of issues with the writing in my opinion and while I haven’t seen the sequel yet I’m not really looking forward to being amazed in any way I hope I’m wrong tho because I love the cast and director Ryan Coogler.
The questions about Namor are easy. He's half human, half sea person. The herb turned all who drank it into sea people more or less. However, he never drank it and was exposed to it in his development. He gained the benefit of it's powers without transforming into a sea person. In addition to that Namor is a mutant, which is one of the reasons he is so powerful in comics. He's got the ability to survive on land unaided like a human, he has the strength, durability, and underwater breathing abilities of a sea person and he is even stronger than that and able to fly with his mutation.
The problem with mcu fans in general is that whenever there is plothole or writing mistakes from writer itself, they tend to create their own theory to fill those plotholes
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As an African myself I can confirm we make monkey noises and fight with spears
Now if you excuse me, I have to go to fight the king for the throne
@Carlos Eduardo because they’ve been culturally suppressed like all cultures that stagnate and are surrounded by foes. Third world countries never had a chance to become more advanced. A people like Wakandans however have been isolated and delved into technology. Their culture should have democratic elections, thereby freeing it’s citizens from the tyranny of being ruled by a single man, and traditions like “trial by combat” are the traditions of warlike peoples from around the world over. Violence cannot be promoted in a society that says it only cares for peace. So it’s both culturally disingenuous and made the Wakandans into hypocrites.
Excuse me as I squat in a teepee and talk to a raccoon
@FlyingShazbot And here in Sweden we're head butting moose
"When the standards are so good, you can't help but double them". Great line mate
@MrLuckless I'm not even mad or anything just pointing incompetency has no gender especially if it's out of someone's element. It's like hiring Michael Bay to write a movie without mindless action and explosions and then being disappointed when he expectedly fails at it and the movie sucks because that is the only thing he knows how to do.
@Syndrome Normally I'd agree with you, but Disney-Marvel (or whoever is running it) is explicitly going out of their way to hire female writers to replace or undermine the male heroes of a franchise that has a primarily male audience. It has everything to do with gender because they are in no uncertain terms making it about gender. If it weren't, then there wouldn't have been such a concerted effort to do as I said above with all of their own characters.
Don't get upset with me for pointing out the patterns that Disney-Marvel has made. So yes, both genders may have the ability to write good stories with interesting characters, however only one is getting work at Disney-Marvel and that one in particular is feeling rather vindictive over imaginary privilege.
This is why I watch this channel. I feel smarter just by listening to Little Platoon talking.
nice one
I honestly think they used Bozeman's death just to fill seats.
I don't doubt that his costars were saddened by the loss but this feels like "The Crow:City of Angels" all over again but with an insane budget.
@AliRadicali who said any criticism of the movie is disrespect to Chadwick Boseman? Literally who.
@charles nkembe it didn’t do an okay job. It did a garbage job.
Of course they did.
His death was a big draw because they sold this shitty movie as honor piece for him. This movie is crap so they just crapped all over him. It’s shameful. If they had at least sent his character off in a heroic manner, it would have felt better than what we got.
@Agiks F. It makes me glad to find comments like this after a sea of endless, senseless praise. This is why I don't trust people's claims when it comes to entertainment anymore. People criticize movies like Eternals for having a messy plot but then go on to praise the shit out of No Way Home when it's plot is just as if not even more so ridiculous and contrived asf. Not to mention filled with quite a bit of character assassination largely involving the villains, Tobey, Andrew, and especially Dr. Strange who for the entire film was just a plot device. I don't understand how people can even feel for the nostalgia and whatnot when the movie's story doesn't support it in any way. It's like Platoon said, people will completely ignore the rules when it comes to the things they visually like to see. In this case Tobey, Andrew and a bunch of shoed in callbacks that add nothing.
"most of you have more than 3 braincells"
I actually felt honoured from this statement. Thank you good sir
+2 Braincells
Upgrades, people! Upgrades!
@The Little Platoon You reap what you sow.
@The Little Platoon I want to admit that I didn't know that Black Panther 1 and 2 was a racist stereotype of indigenous tribes within Africa. I honestly thought they were just keeping in check with the comic book lore and TV show lore of The Black Panther. I honestly thought they were just sticking close to the actual OG lore of Black Panther with some creative liberties taken. I did not know they actually tried to base the fictional country of Wakanda in the fictional Universe of the Marvel series on the actual indigenous tribes within the real country of Africa! That is honestly really distasteful, disrespectful, foolish, and absolutely embarrassing. I'm actually ashamed that I even enjoyed the 1st movie back then. At least I know now and I will try to keep it in mind in the future. Thank you very much @TheLittlePlatoon for letting me know, I appreciate it a lot.😁👍💖☺️🌷🌺
@Nr4747 Damn it!!
Defeated once again from English vocabulary.
Its funny in a rather morbid sense to think about how these people in their scramble to appear inclusive and not racist end up being toxic and racist
And sexist, and incompetent.
@Christopher Green it didn’t do an anti sjw trope. You saying that just shows you’re doing an sjw trope lol. Talk about irony.
@Niboo
Oh lol yeah that was mad cringe
When the AI tells Rammonda that Shuri's kidnappers spoke "Maya" i almost bursted out laughing cause Maya isn't a single language it is a language family, it would be like getting captured by Russian mobsters and the AI says they spoke "Slavic".
Perhaps the silly thing is that according to the producers, Namor and the Talokans speak Yucatec Maya that is the same as the Mayans who still live in the Yucatan peninsula, How an isolated civilization speaks the same way as natives who have been affected by outside influences?
It also doesn't help Namor's actor Tenoch Huerta is basically Killmonger but Latino pontificating on how "dark-skinned" people have only been casted as Drug Dealers in American movies.
@joseph williams Mayyyyyybbbeee its cuz futurisitc GREEK has been done 27 times before and they thought "hey since we dealing with african culture tropes lets try something new with atlantis for once"
@joseph williams Well actually Atlantis was not Greek at all. They were kind of a civilization from the edge of the world so in other words : strangers. Making them Mesoamerican is not that farfetched. What would be dumb is to make them Greek.
yucatec maya hasn’t changed really at all since the spanish colonizers came, it’s really just how it is. idk what kind of “gotcha” you were trying to pull with the movie, but it fails regardless. also the ai said yucatec maya. not maya. yucatec maya. lol listen next time.
@joseph williams atlantis is copyrighted by dc i believe
Grats on such a perceptive and accurate comment 👍
Apparently the AI in Phase 4 is also dumber than in previous versions... 🙄
Jarvis would've said something along the lines of:
_"They appear to be speaking an archaic dialect of Mayan origins"_
Unfortunately, this film feels the need to "dumb it down" for the audience.
Turns out it wasn't Wakanda Forever, but Wakanda For a Limited Time Only.
DAMNNNN😂😂😂
Wakanda Seldom.
Wakanda sometimes
Turns out wakanda are the friends we made all slong
I'm Wakanda Forever
In a way Disneys portrayal of these civilizations is pretty accurate. Self-sustaining civilizations with ridiculous amounts of resource who were conquered or driven away because they were too incompetent.
@Syndrome To want to argue that we should adopt the survival strategy of dumb prey animals... maybe you should reconsider. We didn't get to the top of the food chain by being helpless.
@Syndrome and 80,000 years of human population growth stress the point that there are MULTIPLE survival strategies for a species. Ours involves communal living, seasonal planning, and tool use. Medicine is one of those tools.
You really don't seem to understand that 'fittest' doesnt necessarily mean feats of strength. Is a fit man who abandons his child because it suffered damage in an animal attack going to pass on his genes? Not if he abandons the child!
Those herd species... a new member basically grows to survival size within 1-2 years. Humans take a dozen. ITS A DIFFERENT MODEL. WE INVEST IN THE FUTURE.
Question that just popped into my head; if Namor and his people were stronger than the Conquistadors, and did beat the ones who came for their village without much of a struggle… then how come the Conquistadors still won?
se dice conquistadores
@joseph williams thats because they changed it for the movie. They didn't want a comparison to Aquaman.
@joseph williams I know, they just wanted to force that shit in there. I’m Greek, I have to say, the MCU hasn’t been that kind to their Greek characters. Elektra was Asianized, that imbecile, Waititi, made a complete mockery out of our pantheon, Namor’s past is linked with Greek mythology and that got completely erased for some bullshit story that doesn’t make any sense…
As others have pointed out though, the funny irony in all this, is how they have a Mexican sneak into another country from the water, without realising what they’re doing.
Am I missing something? Why is Atlantis Aztec in the first place? It should be Greek or Roman not Aztec.
Thanos *Invades Earth twice. *Kills half the Talokan population
Namor: .......
Girl* invents machine
Namor: "Oh, so you choose death!?"
Clearly Dr Strange was holding back the Aztec fish in endgame because they would have ruined his plan.
@BlackLives OrBlackVotes He usually attacks the surface world in retaliation towards something done by them. Namor would have no reason to invade the surface world because an alien wiped out half of all life. Especially since half of his people would be gone, so his main priority would be helping Talokan recover. That’s going based on the assumption that Namor didn’t die during the Blip.
@Victor Nieves no he wouldn’t have. Namor literally spends all his time in the ocean. Plus, who’s to say Namor wouldn’t be so stricken with grief and anger that he would actively deny what people were saying just to attack the surface world. He attacked the surface for FAR LESS in the comics. No excuses. Shit writing and world building is shit. This movie is a completely crapfest.
@Junaid Farooqiwhat if he disappeared in the blip too, we don't know cuz they never actually show us the impact it had on universe in a believable way, just few dialogues here and there. Hell in the very next film after endgame, spiderman 2, they were all joking about it
Chadwick shouldnt be remembered for one role just because it was his most popular, he has done other roles and actions/quotes that are as much more inspiring than black panther. It makes me incredibly mad that the media AND the public only remembers him for it, the man was even visibly getting exhausted (in each photos) of doing the wakanda salutation pose with fans.
Lmao maybe because it the role that blew it up
To me, Chadwick will always be remembered as Jackie Robinson (from 42) and not Black Panther.
@Meme Gaming I’d reckon it was both.
Or he was getting exhausted because cancer drains your energy...
I'm not a physics major but no way do those wings generate enough thrust to lift a fully grown man. At last Stark's suits have a veneer of plausibility
Why is Thor's hammer heavy for even Asgardians ..it's all magic. Anything that is not science is just magic we can't explain in any movie
@Matthew Carey half ass scientific explanation that doesn’t work for even toddlers is exactly what sucks the fun out of movies
@GeekyMD exactly it's comic book magic. That's fine. No need to suck the fun out of movies. If they add science it's probably incorrect. Doesn't matter. The only thing real world science adds in a fictional setting is an additional cool thing to nerd out about.
@Matthew Carey funny thing is that the MCU tries to give scientific explanations for some of the powers. Such as quicksilver’s speed caused by increased metabolism and namor’s strength being due to aerobic and anaerobic respiration when they’re clearly caused by comic book magic.
Comics and the movies based on them wouldn't exist if you stripped everything you couldn't explain with normal science
I think that one of the funniest things about Black Panther is that Richard Spencer has come out in full support of Wakanda since he too believes in the idea of a supremacist, isolationist ethno state
@Iron Dragon 1990 Which is a form of facism under a nicer sounding name. LOL
@BWMagus ok Candace Owens.
@Thomas The Fascist Tank Engine When Elie Wiesel is the best you have, your books are definitely worth more as kindling
Okay to add a little context to why M'Baku makes monkey noises: in the comics, M'Baku is the Man-Ape, a man in a gorilla suit much like how Rhino wears a rhino suit. Of course that would be too silly for the MCU, so they changed him.
@James Smith okay right now you're just making words up
@Lucifer Morningstar Memes about the left ruining America with “cultural Marxism” with soyjacks and Tyrone memes definitely aren’t about making fun of racist stereotypes. The memes complaining about trans people definitely aren’t making fun of transphobes, they’re literally written to make the racist/sexist/anti semitic person to be rational in them, what is it other than a shitty political cartoon?
@Gran Darkfang Man-Ape killed the legendary Albino Gorilla and wore its skin, it fused to him and changed his anatomy, which is why he acts like a gorilla in the comics
@James Smith memes are offensive, yeah. But that's the point. They can be funny by making fun of the racist stereotypes. That's why people make memes about stuff
Unfortunately the audience is so shallow that the movie did not need to earn any of its crying moments, I have seen in the theatre most people were weeping along while I was rolling my eyes about how revolting it is to use someone's death to sell a movie.....
Imagine watching this in the theater.
yet you were in the theater? 😂
Damn bro you still go to the movies? unless it's like Tarantino i know it's trash so i don't even bother. I haven't set foot in a cinema since The Force Awakens.
The absolute state of ________.
The movie is so woke that female characters can kill innocent male cops without consequences (Riri), can survive vibranium-smashing water bombs in the face (Okoye), beat up multiple big men easy and continue fighting after a spear impalement right thru the spine (Shuri). Girl power!
cos male heroes like Iron Man never took death inducing impacts?
@draíocht I like how OP thinks no male characters in existence ever did those things listed too lol
Idk bout the cop thing but most male characters have done this and okoye is apart of the Dora Milaje she’s trained to beat down men besides many male characters have fought through impalement
That's movies these days... Feminism and not gender equality...
So I haven't watched Marvel movies in some time now, and EFAP and this channel keeps confirming that I made a good choice.
But I have to ask:
If I follow what you said correctly, Namor heared Shuri say she wants to burn the world down because her brother died. The writers want to use this as an argument for why he would think it is logical that Namor asks her to help him since he hates the world as well? Because that quite literally translates into "a loved one died of cancer therefore genocide."
It is complete insanity.
@Yuri Kendal Queen Ramonda isn't a queen in this film. The only initiative she takes as a ruler is "firing" Okoye and seeking out Nakia to rescue Shuri. Otherwise, she's just reacting to events.
She even gives Shuri the freedom to do as she sees fit, which is how both Riri and herself are captured.
@Me Lo I don't think he completely takes it literally but instead is trying to take advantage of her mental state to create an alliance
@Ulysses Martins then you dont know what the word shame means I guess... Very typical of an efap watcher!
@Henk Henkste watching something you like should not be shameful, at least I am not ashamed of watching either
I was telling my friend about the plot to this movie, and at some point I got on to the fact that Virbranium seems to also be used as a power source for much of the tech in the movie. We then went down the rabbit hole about how that means it must be radioactive while also being stable, which is impossible. It really is just a magic metal at this point and it is very frustrating how the people who write these movies just hand wave even basic science in their world building.
"But but but I said I love the Science! That's enough to make it all sciencey, right?"
They also hand wave logic, human nature, how people talk, etc etc. Besides, science is hard!
Who doesn’t on occasion wake up and randomly want to go to war with the world? That’s like a Monday morning for me.
May chaos take the world!
@Свобода для россии The French kinda started this almost a century earlier ... when Napoleon started marching through Europe (except Britain and Skandinavia). Incidentally ... the French Revolution is also the birthplace of something that Germany gets also blamed for, because the "EMOTIONAL SOLVING OF PROBLEMS" (by chopping off heads) / eliminating a social caste "because they are that social caste" ... is proto-communism.
@Schwift_Nation Franco-Prussian war, kinda provoked by a Prussian chancellor but started by the French. What else?
@Schwift_Nation
Eh, the 17th century world as a whole could wipe the floor with that;
The second half of the 80 Years' War, & the French Wars of Religion- that had begun in the previous century, the 30 Years' War (which Churchill considered the closest thing to a world war, before the Great War- along with the later 7 Years' War); this included the Wars of the Three Kingdoms (which *_also_* included the *3* English Civil Wars- which even expanded into America for a hot minute with the Battle of the Severn, plus the concurrent events in Scotland & Ireland), the Anglo-Dutch Wars, the Franco-Spanish Wars, & the start of the Jacobite Rebellions - & **all** of that is not including all the conflicts *outside* of Great Britain & Central & Western Europe; whatever inter-kingdom conflicts were happening in the East, Africa, the Americas, & Asia- & I have no doubt it was *a lot*
I'm not sure there was _a single year_ in the 17th Century where there was no conflict involving one or more major nations - & if I recall correctly, the 19th century was known as the Age of Revolution, so it seems like things were not much better 200 years on...
To be fair, the Death Star launching Harry Potter on a rainbow unicorn would probably liven up this film.
If you mod Rainbow Unicorn Attack this could be a reality...
AS long as Harry goes akimbo too...
It should be the rainbow bridge ... and a regular "winged horse" (not a pegasus, because norse isnt greek mythology).
I’m going out on a limb here and saying that this movie struck a nerve, given the truly brobdingnagian levels of snark coming through here. God, I adore the dry snark. “The standards are so good, you just can’t help but double them.” Thank you again for your efforts to make entertainment entertaining and intelligent again.
This actually brings me back to the logic fail of the Winter Soldier show: "So... Wakanda didn't demand the US extradite their leader's assassin to face Wakandan justice. Falcon released said assassin, who subsequently escapes even US justice. Rather than lose their collective sh^^, end cooperation with all US agents, and demand both Falcon and Buckey be taken into custody; Wakanda instead makes a super suit for one of the *US* soldiers responsible; out of their exclusive strategic resource. Where tf is this supposed to make sense?"
Forcibly extraditing people (Riri Williams for instance) from US soil is tight! 👍😀
Wait, which KZclip channel am I watching?
This was a slow moving slog of a story. Those arms on Angela Bassett though...🔥🔥🔥. Didn't like her character arc...but she was the only thing keeping me from falling asleep in the theater. Such a wonderful and gifted actress who is so fit it blows my mind. Much respect!
The only set of guns in the entire country of Wakanda apparently...
@Agiks F. couldn't agree more. She was "fancast" as storm years prior to the first film. One more thing to blame on B. Singer...
@Wings of Prophecy Really? Gosh, we've missed out. Halle has zero presence as Storm. But Angela would've been magnificent! Loved her in 'How Stella got her groove back'.
Now that I think of it - for me, all the main ladies in original X-men trilogy are miscast and very underwhelming (beside Mystique). Rogue! Oh, my beloved Rogue. I could never stand her in the movies.
Everyone wanted her to play Storm way back in the first X men movie. But we got stuck with lame ass Halle Berry instead. No surprise that she's the best thing in this film.
One thing I want to add is. I watched this movie in South Africa the country where the Wakandan language came from. During the death scene people in my theater laughed because of how bad the accent they were speaking with
And yet, Disney is reporting that this movie saved the downward spiral of movies at the theaters. It only goes to show you that there are some people who will eat crap for a meal and walk away thinking they ate a meal fit for a king. People can be very easily manipulated.
or they just wanna watch it idk? whats wrong w people watching a movie for the sake of watching it 💀
I like to compare it to an ice cream sundae: some people will eat anything if it's warm and brown. I personally care how it actually tastes.
They are probably trying to save face. I doubt they would admit if they were shocked and disappointed.
I am willing to bet it’s just propaganda. “Everything is great here! Come watch the movie, everyone loves it!”
Nah, it's underperforming badly. It will make hundreds of millions less than the first movie. While the death of the actor should have made it make more money. Similarly to what happened to Fast and Furious 7.
I haven't watched this yet. Because phase 4 has the following formula: 1)Former Male hero now has a highly skilled female hero that outshines them or matches their skill set with none of the 'negative' traits of personality.
2) Every significant female is strong and powerful.
3) The villian has some sort of tragic back story that makes them less villainous.
4) Gender, Sexuality, Non nuclear family structures, race is some woven into the naritive. Not all, but at least one or two of these.
5) the female protagonists only significant flaw is the toxic men surrounding her.
Most of the established heros by the end of phase 3 had earned their status. They had flaws that they had to overcome or minimize. Tony Stark started out egotistical and selfish. Even creating the arc reactor and iron man suits were self preservation. In End game his motivations are still slightly selfish, but his preservation and motives now extend to his daughter. An argument could be made that he sacrificed himself willingly to ensure she lived. The rest of the Universe was just an added bonus.
@Loch121 no, 100% exactly. All of that.
Not exactly but some of that
@B.C. Royce Art as someone who reads quite a lot of fantasy, it's very important to just stay far the fuck away from a book once you catch that scent.
And it's not like you CAN'T have a story where PROPER feminism is actually appropriate. There's a series that I very much like called Beneath the Dragon Eye Moons. It's about a girl that's reincarnated into another world, and in this more primitive society women have it pretty shit, almost NO rights. BUT while the main character is understandably pissed about this, especially as she IS a girl, she also just has to accept she can't change it and just opts to live the best life she can. The books aren't preachy, they don't DENIGRATE men either. There are a LOT of really good male role models in this series.
Honestly this series is a great example of how to write a feminist character CORRECTLY. That is to have a CLEAR injustice and have her seek out a way to solve it, but also not having that BE the story. This story is NOT about her changing the system, nearly the entire series she's working WITHIN the system and the sexism is just the occasional "for fuck's sake, just let me withdraw my money". The main character also isn't a Mary Sue at all, she has her niche and she's great at THAT, but outside that niche she's basically a chump and she knows it. It's actually a great series, I recommend it. It's lengthy, there's like 7 or 8 books and counting, but it's consistently well written throughout.
I’ve actually unwittingly read a few sci fi/fantasy books from feminist authors recently. What I have noticed is a trend of narcissism. In all their books the women are physically and intellectually superior to men, yet they tend to be held back or submissive to the “toxic” make power structure.
When reading you get the feeling that the author believes that if it weren’t for men then women and the entire earth would be this perfect utopia. It’s actually hard to finish reading these books because every interaction between man and woman is the same formula (he’s evil, shes virtuous, she’s stronger and smarter, yet she acts like a slave to the male power structure of society,) there’s a lot more in leaving out but when you’re aware of it you see these writers SUCK and are promoted/hired based on pushing this agenda. Same with these movies.
Damn I was hoping you where going to point out when the freeky fish people say they don't wanna be found out by the world and how ridiculous that is. Due to the fact that shield had a map that we see at the end credits of Iron Man 2 that set up Black Panther and Namor. Just because it happened 11 years ago doesn't mean the fans will just forget
The scuba suits thing was actually set up. It was a callback to the earlier scene where the Americans were using them, and Namor killed them. So, normally they wouldn't have equipment to take Shuri to their underwater city, but because they happened to kill two Americans with those suits, Namor could let her use one of them.
@Anil Singh Yeah... the script did say so...
@Ash Blossom And Joyous Sprung. Yup, and they know how to operate them XD
Wherent the suits broken and how would they fit her the size dont match up.
@Ash Blossom And Joyous Sprung. They kept them because the script said so. Makes much more sense this way.
@BWMagus Trophies? Or, to study them or something?
I mean, I'd keep them. It isn't a plot hole that they decided to keep the high-tech suits.
Not defending the movie, the movies inability to explain this is a definite failure on it's part and is inexcusable. I just want to point out that, in the comics, a sudden mood or motivation shift for Namor like this is reasonable
When Namor is out of the water he is subject to massive mood shifts and stuff, so much so that he can go from Hero to Villain in an incredibly brief period of time
Yes the films failure to show this is bad, yes that excuse in the comics in and of itself is pretty dumb, I'm just the messenger boy lol
So Namor does not have to be on a certain day of the month for that? Can it be the pollution in the air? The result of a fish being outside of salty water for too long?
@BWMagus I 100% agree. As I said the movies inability to explain why Namor changes so much is a failure on the movies part, I'm just explaining why this would be happening *from a comics perspective.*
From a movies perspective this is happening because....reasons ig
Fair, but we can't let the movies get away with things by saying "It's in the comics!" when they turn around and throw out so much from the comics. Some changes are expected but they barely try sometimes.
"The standards are so good, u can't help but double them"- Literally the reason why I watch this man
Fun fact: Riri blinks 10 times in that 3 second clip.
Also, I still can't get over the fact that they hired such an out of shape looking dude to play quite possibly one of the most historically ripped characters in MARVEL history.
@Drones Club High Jinks i dont wanna
Maybe her fake lashes were too heavy lol
It still amazes me how good Draco Malfoy is at film critique.
I remain distracted by the fact that in the "Rings of Power - Bad Lore and Worse Writing" video our host, Mr. Malfoy, actually exclaimed "Oh my giddy aunt". (Which was awesome, BTW)
@Drones Club High Jinks Yes, which made the exclamation extra amusing. 😂
Isn't Draco's aunt Bellatrix LeStrange? 😂
I don't know if it took you thirty minutes, an hour, or ten. But every moment you spent adding the Nokia ringtone everytime you mention her character was absolutely worth it.
I assumed they were Sea Mayans, not Sea Aztecs. But if they were so badly defined I guess that point doesn't really matter. They already made a superficial scramble for Wakanda, makes sense they'd do the same on the other side of the Atlantic.
It wasn’t always like this was it…
There was a time when the series flourished without ‘woke energy’ and a pathetic attempt at ‘gender diversity.’
A time when the movies were fun and enjoyable despite its few plot holes and qualms.
A time when the MCU was this unstoppable unbeatable juggernaut.
No one could deny how impressive and amazing it was.
That was until their owners. Decide to fill it with crap ideas and only fed us the laugh a minute crap with tone deaf humour and 2022 meta commentary.
Stan Lee gone :(
@Rutgaur XI idk what capeshit is
@Rutgaur XIyou trippin IW and EG some of the best movies ever made
By anti-woke standards black panther has always been woke. Black panther always dealt with racism and a lot of these female centered stories are in the books.Shuri does become black Panther.
So eloquently explained why this film doesn't work. You really nailed it when you said, "why didn't the Talacons just kill the girl on the bride and leave the princess?" 😅 So true. But then we wouldn't have a 3 hour movie. 😂
“Black Panther 2: Wakandan Boogaloo” is gonna stuck in my head for a long time after this
That joke has run its course
because you've heard it on like 20 channels probably...
I love the way you use MCU clips to convey your emotions during criticisms
It was a quick scene, but I believe Queen Ramunda (potentially) dies due to Michonne ( who we've seen doesn't like using Shuri's tech ) uses old fashioned tried and true chest compressions on her mother vs. Shuri placing the wakandan defibrillators on Riri. Nikea? Finnally touches her bracelet to the queen's To check her vitals but it's too late and Riri revives. Touching upon the failure of rescue attempts and crisis of decision making from the opening of the movie... It's also never addressed in the movie, ( so much drama left unexplored) but Michonne finally learns from her mistake when using the Midnight Angel weapon at the end of her arc.
The resuscitation scene felt weird because...you're supposed to free the drowning victim's nose and mouth from the excess water by tilting their face to the side and keeping their mouth open. It's even recommended to perform a Heimlich maneuver to remove water from their lungs and respiratory tract (and given that Riri started coughing up water after defibrillation, there WAS water in their lungs and mouth). But Okoye went straight to doing CPR on Ramunda without clearing her respiratory tract first (Riri was supposed to be dead too, tbh). This is why I didn't find the scene tragic because I felt like Ramunda's death was totally preventable, the plot just decided she should die for the drama.
This is such a good catch! I didn’t notice that, damn 😮
They mentioned in the film why vibranium worked differently on wakandan and Aztecs....it caused a mutation. In Marvel mutation has a lot of variation. Parent mutants tend to have kids with similar powers...not a rule but, a tendency.
"The standards are so good, you can't help but double them" Mate, that line was amazing XD
My dumb ESL ass took way too long to get it, but I‘m gonna steal it nonetheless.
Agreed. A modern classic.
I’m an East African and a huge cinefile and I really appreciate your critique, shame there’s not as much criticism coming from within the community. If you can call a billion people spread across multiple places and with many different (mostly stupid) beliefs a community ❤
The best part of the M-SHE-U currently are the reviews...I thank you sir 🧡👑
It's increasingly the way people (myself included) engage with this content.
Being short is a disability, and as a tall person, it's your responsibility to make sure short people don't get even more disabled by having to look up to speak to you. Doing this can damage their neck. Standing up while talking to short people also makes them feel threatened and unsafe so kneeling down not only prevents them from damaging their necks but also makes them feel more safe. Not doing this means you don't respect short people, you're mocking their disability, you're looking down on them and that's ableist, so be the bigger man and kneel.
Thank you.
@Senbei-Kun At some times, tall people should toss short people in the air, saying "Look how tall you are, little fella", and catch them and toss again. This way short people will gain belief in themselves.
I'm a firm believer in holding up short people so that they match your height
Good review. I haven't watched the movie, but I think Namor counts as a Maya and not an Aztec if I'm not mistaken. Also, the term Hispanic certainly includes the Spanish, as it comes from the Roman term Hispania (used to denote the Iberian peninsula)
It doesn't matter. The Maya were almost as horrible as the Aztecs. In fact, the first recorded contact between a Maya people and the Spanish was when shipwrecked sailors were washed ashore and subsequently sacrificed. Only two survivors managed to escape.
The maya culture was pretty warlike and oppressive, much like the Aztecs. They were finally conquered, much like the Aztecs, when the small group of Conquistadors gathered a host of other allied native tribes that were tired of Mayan bullshit.
Ofc, they got "colonizer bullshit" instead, but it's not like the Maya were apart of some prosperous, innocent, peace-loving utopia. I'm not saying these deserved being brutally repressed by the Spanish, but it's not like they were innocent here. The only difference was the scale of power being wielded, not the morals of the one wielding them.
The bit about 'hispanics' is mostly to point out the delusional hypocrisies of the woke mob. They can't separate the fact that many people in "the global south" identity as white on account of them... being white. There was a large amount of Europeans that settled in South and Central America... and not just during the times of colonial rule. Whenever bad shit was happening in Europe, more Europeans jumped ship for the Americas. Fast forward a few generations (and centuries), and you have white hispanics growing up in under developed countries and identifying with the local cultures. Many of them make their way into America as well.
In the minds of hte delusional woke mob, these people are both "oppressor" and "oppressed" at the same time. They can't comprehend this dichotomy. White people = evil. Brown people = good. "White Hispanic" is a "brown/white and good/evil" person. It ruins both their jargon and world view, so obviously it's a problem of racism and not their own idiocy.
"Picking an Aztec for your antihero in your anticolonial tale is, well, it's a choice" is a hilarious point
When T’Challa lowered his lightsaber and let Kylo Ren cut him down was when the movie really lost me.
Because he became more powerful than you can imagine....thanks to the purple bs extract?
I love the bilbo cutaways of him flipping the bird.. classic👏👏
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." And that's exactly what this movie is... if you believe people behind it.
@Henk Henkste When they used Stan Lee's account after he passed to promote what ever it was I was fucking done with Marvel or comics or anyting in that department. Whom ever made that descion is insane...
that is one big if
Which, naturally, we do not.
for working class take downs of crap movies, TV shows and games we go to Diaspru and The Critical Drinker. For classy upper middle class takedowns complete with a dose of pure sarcasm, philosophical insights and an appreciation of aesthetics we go to Burke's little brother.
@Gaudia Certaminis Nahhh That's Shad over at Knight's Watch
Diaspru, the dude with the intense teeth and distinctive hate for she hulk? I think I know him
lol drinker you kidding right?
The hierarchical next Step by that logic would then probably be van doomcock from overlord dvd
For the aristocratic viewpoint we go to Az.
You have somehow become one of my favourite unwind channels, love it. I watched this movie knowing there would be a Little Platoon video coming out soon👌🏾
It's crazy how if they just wrote riri to NOT get captured and shuri to be alone to exp,ain why namor is being so soft with shuri bc he wants her to convince wakanda to hand her over
Why didnt the film decide to link tchala's death with the main plot? Have him investigate the new under water vibranium source only to be mysteriously killed by vibranium.
Then have an arc where they suspect each other then tie it into namor's introduction as a character. Even put a crown on his head or something when hes introduced.
Then the audience and the characters both have a reason to see naymore lose.
Sucks that literally the only character they had slightly developed died before they could use him to make a sequel. So we now have heaps of undeveloped cookie cutter characters to make a movie out of
"Cockless Winged Mexican" is my new favorite phrase.
On the "it was smart to burn the magic Wakandan flower", you can see the exact problem with the super soldier serum. It used to be "it only worked on Cap and the only man who could make it was killed". It gave Cap a unique quality and history. But then Disney decided that any random person could make more and now "super soldiers" are a dime a dozen and nobody cares anymore because it's just an excuse to give random schmucks with no backstory superpowers.
The only thing more baffling than the plot of this movie is the belief by so many people that it is a culturally relevant and important movie.
funnily enough the actor portraying Namor actually said in an interview that the bulge picture is the doctored photo and that the "shrunk" photo is actually a real on set photo
I really thought that Juri and namor during her visit to takola where mutual antoginist. Juri wanted to visit NOt Namor's 'city' to try to undersantd him. He was trying to get something out of her and Juri knew this. It was a diplomatic visit, not a shipping one. The gift from Namor was to remind her of that visit and something that they might have had in common, which they didnt of course, but that was Namor's blunder.
Namor's mutation was the ankle wings. He would've been born with them regardless if his mother drank the blue juice or not. He got it second hand from his mother in utero. Not a full dose. So no gills. Him being a mutant gave his skin water absorption as a response to the herb instead. That just gave him water based abilities, probably due to the fact the herb was growing underwater. Wakandas was not and it was a completely different color. I assumed this was why it gave super strength and agility instead of Aquaman powers. Also since they're doing Xmen now, random ppl are going to be born with exploding stomachs, heat vision, and ice powers, and there will be NO logical explanation for it. If Namor makes no sense to you, I would advise jumping ship now because it's only going to get more ridiculous.
29:17 The MCU is in absolute shambles, that crap right there killed me with laughter. I can only imagine the amount of pride the actor mustve had, when he realized his utility hose was so great they cgi-ed it out
One thing that bothers me greatly with modern movie and television is how everyone, from the heroes to the villains, seem to just possess knowledge they should not in order to progress and often accelerate the "plot." It is as though they have taken a moment to watch the film before we did. It leads to the whole thing feeling utterly contrived.
This movie proved another thing, that hollywood is held ideologically hostage by their own beliefs in a relationship of blackmail because everyone in this movie can be called out for a multitude of the racism they claim to be fighting like the creators or “cuties” claiming to be fighting child predators.
They explained the blue plant in the movie. Vibranium can mutate organisms, that’s why the heart shaped herb exists. A similar thing happened to an under water plant near the Yucatán peninsula. It’s the reason why shuri was able to make a new year shaped herb using genetic samples from the blue plant. The blue one gives water based abilities probably because it was an underwater plant.
You missed the part where Nakia doesn't let Shuri save the female smurf guard with magical balls because if she had the plot wouldn't have moved forward with waging war
Damn it, you’re right!
Calling the teenager from Dr Strange “Hugo Chavez” made tea come out my nose.
To be fair to the little mermaid, it seemed when i watched it that she didn't die from sadness, but just old age (while being sad), and chubby fish child was just still a fish child many years later. Can you imagine puberty lasting for decades? No wonder he wanted to destroy the whole world.
I thought that marvel had the intent to make the villain’s plan a bit more realistic… since they’ve had a lot of hiccups with villains before and they also gave us some good villains…. Namor seemed to be easy enough, don’t know how they messed him up
"It's a bit like going to your best friends funeral and having the service periodically interrupted by a passing circus" Perfect
This is the kind of films that would be considered mediocre 10 years ago. But it is considered decent now a days because of how far our standards have fallen in the quality of movie making.
You should be hired to write for Marvel, my brother. Nice work, content enjoyed. Reviews from you and your YT friends are more entertaining than the actual movies these days.
At the least he should edit. The fact that he gives a damn about plot continuity and logistics implies that he could write circles around the current hires.
No, he should EDIT for Marvel
So this is what I took away from the film..the Mayans consumed the flower while sick so I thought it was implied that the illness combined w taking the flower caused them to transform and I don’t remember namor’s dad being transformed so I think namor was still technically half human which made him different from everyone else.
And I don’t think namor wanted to off iron heart but he gave that ultimatum to end up having the girl in his possession as a prisoner to build more technology for their society
The next train from clown world part had me in tears. 😂
I haven't read the Black Panther comics so I don't know if Shuri ever becomes black panther in the comics or not. But as far as MCU is concerned, I really feel Nakia or Okoye would have been better choices.
I noticed that Namor is called Kukulcan, the Mayan serpent god of the sky, but he and his people are Aztec so he should be referred to by the Aztec version of this god Quetzalcoatl. That's like saying you are Jupiter the god of the Roman's but referring to yourself as the Greek name Zeus.
Well he isn’t explicitly called mayan or aztec, they are more like a hybrid
This review can be described in a single word - Glorious.
This guy's accent is mystifying and never gets old to listen to.
Always a great day when The Little Platoon uploads a new video
"The standards are so good, you just can't help but double them" is fucking gold
In order to flood Queen Ramonda's thrown which is high up on the Bashenga mountain above the statue of the panther goddess Bast, which Wakanda is already 1100 feet above sea level and landlocked with no river channels (proven in previous MCU movies shown in maps) with only the lake Turkana it shares with Kenya, all of Wakanda would have had to be submerged; effectively killing all its inhabitants. Not to mention there's not enough gallons of water in Lake Turkana to pull that off anyway.
@The little platoon The reason Namor has wings on his legs is because his a mutant. This would have been explained in the movie clearly as to how some Atlanteans mutated and while others used Atlantean magic and adapted to the marine environment, rather than using the heart shape herb McGuffin which they butchered how it works in the first movie.
The solve I would have for the same plant giving slightly different powers would be that one was grown in a dessert and one was basically grown in the water. If they derived their fuel for growth from the biological matter they were exposed to. one got it's supply from decaying mammal and the other largely from fish or other oceanic life.
I used to be annoyed that marvel acted like New York is the only city that exists, but given what has happened to the mcu since, let them just stay quarantined there!
That's why I adore the Marvel Netflix series, lived in and familiar but big enough for things to happen without breaking everything and small enough for characters to interact
What I noticed as I watched was that Namor rly didnt know they weren’t going to turn her in, necessarily when they showed up. They were running to get away from the cops and so he attacked with a water grenade. If I was a helper before, I surely would put up resistance now. As the fleeing could have been part of the kidnap plan. :/ they were just winning her over diplomatically. I think namor screwed his own plan up by attacking first, again, not using in-movie logic but meta logic that shuri and dora are good and will NOT kidnap the child.
Thanks for your in depth breakdowmn of this movie.
I rather watch 3 hours of your content then watching that movie.
I watched the movie a few days ago and i saw your first part of the review before i did,after i finished the movie though i felt conflicted,it had potential and the main character is the best part of the movie,but overall the movie is very mid,not good,not bad, just a movie that people will forget about in a few months
When I first saw one of your reviews last week, I immediately suspected, based on the quality and style of your arguments, that we come from a similar academic background. Looks like I was right - glad to see not all other philosophers/ethicists have been assimilated into the Collective just yet! I've binge watched a couple of dozen of your videos, and look forward to many more - thanks!
Great video explaining why this film should not receive any awards except for maybe one or two actors who gave great performances despite the film being awful. We already know that it will be praised as the greatest film ever and be given awards for areas where it is appalling.
It is possible that the deal for wakanda to launch a first strike was a rouse to make the whole world focus on wakanda, and forget Atlantis even existed. But there was never a scene setting up the possibility, so at best, the audience has to come to the conclusion by themselves without any proof
"The standards are so good you may as well double them." Amazing line! 😂
i can’t get over how he calls queen romanda “ queen romanda velaryon, the first of her name. “ that shit had me dying of laughter fr. i personally loved this movie but you made some valid points.
I’m a black American man that loves all aspects of film making and I gotta say I didn’t really enjoy the first one too much, there was plenty I liked about it but a lot of issues with the writing in my opinion and while I haven’t seen the sequel yet I’m not really looking forward to being amazed in any way I hope I’m wrong tho because I love the cast and director Ryan Coogler.
7:24 “The standards are so good, you just can’t help but double them” 😂😂😂 has me ROLLING
Love these vids, keep doing what you do dude.
One of my greatest regrets is watching this movie sober
The questions about Namor are easy. He's half human, half sea person. The herb turned all who drank it into sea people more or less. However, he never drank it and was exposed to it in his development. He gained the benefit of it's powers without transforming into a sea person.
In addition to that Namor is a mutant, which is one of the reasons he is so powerful in comics. He's got the ability to survive on land unaided like a human, he has the strength, durability, and underwater breathing abilities of a sea person and he is even stronger than that and able to fly with his mutation.
All the behind the scene footage of Bilbo flipping off the camera gives me life.
The problem with mcu fans in general is that whenever there is plothole or writing mistakes from writer itself, they tend to create their own theory to fill those plotholes
Given how both plants had "gods" as their impersonation does that means Vibranium has a mind of it's own? Also it is a different one for each meteor?
I love how you keep showing Bilbo flipping off the camera every time you mention him haha hilarious