The TV series has 8 episode with a total playtime of roughly 400 minutes. This 12 minutes long review video has 1.6 million views so far. So Drinker actually saved 400 * 1.6 million - 12 * 1.6 million = 620.8 million minutes for humanity. I call this serving the good cause!
You probably failed maths if you assume that everyone haven't watched the series before watching this review. You also assume many people won't watch series after watching this. C'mon many people watch just to kill the time.
I liked how “strong female lesbian character” and the “ginger plank of wood” have this look of disdain on their faces after Willow was telling the fair-skinned blonde haired blue eyed serving girl would be the future ruler of the Willow realms.
@Sir Piken They explain it, but the explanation is stupid. Basically, they didn't raise her and got her raised as a commoner to protect her from a prophecy. But it's very clear in context that the best way to protect her would have been to train her.
@AnwylHSM She mentions that she dyes her hair for some reason. I don't remember which one, maybe just taste. It just a line of dialogue and they don't dwell on it.
@Sir Piken I agree with you, I would add to it - the movie ends with the couple holding the baby and waving Willow goodbye - that was not implied, that was straight up told that they kept the baby :D
Yeah it's super weird. Like at least try? When the berry bush grew from magic I was expecting a response of "oh fucking Hella cool bro" 🤣 then you have people wearing jeans and shit. Just why?
Rings of power, wheel of time, witcher and now willow. The people that tried to gaslight us and said this is a "golden age for fantasy" are such despicable people.
Honestly. Naming her “strong female character” made her more memorable than the usual name. Cause it’s so common to have a strong female character that i forgot which one they were talking about
My god dude, I was really looking forward to this sequel, since you know, It came out when I was a kid, I loved it. However, I agree with every single thing you said, I am disgusted and disappointed severely at what they have put out. This is horrible, it's a disgrace, how tragic.
@AnwylHSM If its that bad, don't hate watch it. All you're doing is adding to the viewing figures which means more of this garbage will get made in future.
@Hatchete As quoted from Wikipedia: "Active within the industry since he was twelve, Davis is one of the highest grossing supporting actors of all time (excluding cameo appearances), owing predominantly to his appearances in the Star Wars and Harry Potter series of films"~~~ So *No* I have to disagree. After being in Star Wars, Leprechaun & it's 5 sequels,, Narnia, Harry Potter, he could live large off sci-fi/fantasy/horror convention appearances alone. I understand if you like the guy, I rather like him myself from what little I know of him but to defend him for taking part in this *woke* regurgitation excuse for a sequel is like saying "I'm not gay but $20 is $20." Warwick *should not* have done this.
Well, she does have nice...er...mammary appendages. (I hope this complies with Admin's Terminology Police Acceptable Euphemism guidelines, pp.367, para.13(b). I had used a simpler colloquialism, but this was found unacceptable.)
@thehunzz i pretty much only watch KZclip and old TV shows like Seinfeld, Trailer Park Boys and Simpsons, and I have had all those on my hard drive for a decade lol.
1. Ginger singularity. I loved that phrase. 2. I'm happy for Warwick Davies getting to reprise a role. Too bad he wasn't happy to reprise the role. 3. Thank you for watching these so that I don't have to.
The plank of wood was the plank of wood in falcon and winter soldier as well. It's amazing how she kept the consistency. I guess she's got magical lady parts. How else is she getting all those roles?
Everything you said was spot on in this review 🤣🤣🤣 I loved the Willow movie and tried to watch this. I got to the 3rd episode and when the two farm Ladies wearing clothes from the Bass Pro shop were introduced I gave up. They already weren't taking the story or acting serious, so when they gave up on the costumes I did too.
Remember how baby Elora had red hair? Look at our red hair strong female. Well, she’s not Elora. We misled you because we’re clever writers. What a twist!
i felt bad for Graydon throughout the show, he got dragged into danger, almost died, got posesed, got hated for being posesed, learned magic and was finally useful, then he immediatly "died" and they almost forgot about him 10 minutes later.
y'know, if the plot had involved the princess being kidnapped rather than the prince, she'd have had a defiant appearance in every episode, and she'd have escaped on her own by the time the others arrived
Willow didnt need to be "woked" it already had strong female characters and even flids and munchkins, joanne whalley kilmer was my first crush she made me clutch my tinkle.
Have you forgotten that "Finchy from The Office" played 'William' in The Witch (2015). This man is a great actor and that was a memorable and original film.
Made me laugh so hard when he talked about the uncle at Christmas, I have one of those - he got caught stealing people's property after a flood and claimed he didn't know it belonged to anyone...yes Glen, we believe you
At Christmas get-together, my family decided to watch a movie, and I said lets watch Willow, it looked interesting because of Warrick Davis, like 15 minutes into it I was like Ok im bored and I dont think its going to get any better, and everyone at the same time said “yeah” lmao it was like the elephant in the room on how shitty it was, Im glad we didn’t forcefully sit through it for Christmas, we ended up watching Cabinet of Curiosities, much better
Strong, female character (Willow edition) recalls one of my favorite quotes from Mauler/EFAP's coverage of Batwoman: "She literally has villainous traits, yet she's supposed to be our hero."
Now Sorsha was a REAL strong female character who switched sides for the sake of a good man. Wouldn't we have loved to see her and Madmartigan having adventures while raising Elora and the other kids?
I love the part where the guy says, 'You gotta be vigilant out here or you die.' then he dies for a gag, not getting any character development. Also they manage to not see or hear like 12 guys on horseback on a giant, open, flag field.
2:59 - "Believe it." 3:12 - "the show has to reflect the world we live in today" 😆 10:02 - "modern audience" 12:38 - "That's all for today. GO AWAY NOW"
I loved Willow as a kid and still do now. I was one of probably a few people who wanted more Willow so I was really excited that there would be a Tv show...That's where my story ends!!!😔
Congratulations! You made it further than I did before turning it off for good. It' felt like it was written by teenagers for teenagers in a high school drama class. It wasn't just the unrelatable obsessing that means very little in the face of inhalation, or the acting that came across like no one wanted to be there, it was the little things. Like how their cloths always looked bright and laundered while living rough on a hike across the country side; the musical score that lacked the levity of the original; and, the lack of common dark prejudices and social statues that brought importance to the presence of Madmartigan and provided a personal struggle for willow relatable in some way to all ages. It should be mandatory for any adventure writer to maybe go on an adventure and live in the wild for a time, or at least step outside their gilded life to see what a competent adventurer and high stakes life choices looks like. This show would have been much better off for it.
The sped up validation footage of Willow basically eating out the Particularly Strong Female Character was hilarious. The only exit it needed was something that pooed at how long winded it was 😂
I was excited about the Willow series and then I heard what it was about. Bluuuuck! I loved your commentary and could not stop laughing 🤣but it is SO TRUE.
@Rijjhb It CAN be done - I love the Avengers in the 60s, I loved Sarah Connor, I loved Wrigley in Alien, I loved Valeria in Conan.....so many great female heroes. I loved Blade and Will Smith in Independence Day. Shaft. Sam Jackson in almost anything. But these are good actors in meaty roles that don't rely exclusively on the color or sex.
This is, unfortunately very accurate. Only the doubt of a fandom desire for more Willow is off target. Now that fandom is no doubt regretting what they wished for. Just. SO. Bad.
We should all take just a moment to thank The Drinker for sparing us the horror of having to watch this show. He threw himself on that grenade, and he deserves our gratitude.
"Kellyman is multiracial" and "an open lesbian." Hollywood would have been frothing at the mouth trying to shoehorn her into anything and everything, because she's perfect for "Modern audiences".😏
to be fair, the original Lucas willow sequel that George wrote, which is amazing in my opinion has a bunch of strong female characters. although it was probably way too dark for Disney.
I saw your review pop up in my feed and thought, no wait, I'll watch it first as the original holds fond memories (not a piece of art, but a fun watch as a kid) and then I'll see if I agree with you. As soon as it started I thought, what on earth have they done? I agreed with every point you made - I wondered if you would pick up on Warwick's acting as well and of course you did. But now we have a different type of singularity present to destroy our universe - planks of wood everywhere!
When that Ginger plank of wood took her helmet off in the Solo movie I almost fell out of my chair laughing like seriously this is supposed to be the menacing bad guy no pun intended
The part where Enfys Nest became a terrorist because she was kicked out of someone else's house after they came back from the snap was my favorite scene in Willow.
I did enjoy two things about this absolute horror. Fauxlora Dannon's green sweater is pretty nice. And poor Amar Chadha-Patel. I think his hope is my hope: that someone sees him somehow and gives him a reasonable role someday. Bit of a longshot since there are almost no good roles out there, but I get it. Everything else... no. We made it through the Enter Sandman cover at the end of an episode and just weren't even able to laugh at it any longer.
Patel was definitely a highlight. His character and the other young guy of color, who's name I've honestly forgotten, were the only one's who's character arch I actually cared about. The girls were just too perfect and predictable, even how they'd work through their flaws were predictable and hard to enjoy. There was also no real sense of danger for them, I knew they'd be fine because they always looked amazing, which only takes me out of it. Can't be hot all the time. That's part of why I enjoyed the 1st willow. Nobody was afraid to get and stay dirty, even the badass woman and she was fn hot for that!
Worse than shehulk ! That's one thing I never thought you would say my friend ! And we both thought the studio couldn't possibly get any lower We both were proven wrong I spose the challenge now is to make something even worse that willow and break that record too
The show felt like someone's spoiled tweener niece wrote her own fantasy novel, who promotly nagged to have her aunt/uncle at Disney turn it into a show, and the execs, hamstrung to turn the questionably "done" script into a show, retconned Willow into the script, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THEY WERE GONNA CON ANYONE INTO WATCHING IT.
I came her to defend mah boy WIllow before the creeping horror of realization hit me and I realized its a show made off the movie I loved as a kid. kill it with fire.
I love it when the Drinker makes up nicknames for the characters and refuses to use the names they were given in the show. Such an entertaining power move
Watching episode four at the moment, wimpy prince kid (who Elora Danan is apparently going to dump the kid she just agreed to marry for) asks her how she'll know how to get around in the castle. She haughtily turns back to him and says, "I was born here." Which is definitely consistent with the fact that she forgot who Willow was, that she actually was Elora Danan, or that she was a redhead.
Well, this was the most of Willow that I ever planned on watching. I cannot tell you how much that I appreciate your sacrifice in viewing these pieces of trash for me Critical Drinker. You have saved me from innumerable moments of misery.
I feel so bad for my dad lol. Whenever I'm over I excitedly asked throughout the last year about, Wheel of Time, Rings of Power and Willow (which I thought was a movie remake) All properties my dad loved and introduced to me when I was younger. God damn I mean i don't think he totally notices what's bad about them he just gets bored.
I had a professor of creative writing once tell me when I was in college that "you cannot write characters who are smarter than yourself." I have been thinking about that a lot recently.
@Brandon Castile While I appreciate your trying to help writers, your trick isn't a means for average writers to write smart characters. It's a mean for smart writers to write smart characters. You have to answer a variety of questions for the problem and solution that require a great deal of intelligence. Your trick could theoretically be used by a dumb writer only to make a dumb character look smarter by comparison to even dumber characters whereas you would need to satisfy a series of conditions to convince the audience of a character's intelligence. How would your average joe not be able to solve the problem and only Smart Guy tm could? How did he know what to do? How does his knowing what to do indicative of his background and intelligence and not circumstance and asspullery? Why would any other character be able to solve the problem? Writing the problem and answer first isn't a solution to writing smart characters. It's the same process but backwards. It has to be logical and internally consistent. You can't write characters smarter than yourself.
@SK Wills well I suppose you are going to live forever so I guess you have that, right? Because you clearly aren't descended from people that ate from the Tree of knowledge.
Watched the first episode, or at least 50% of it, 'cause my eyes were rolling so much back in my head I ended scanning my brain looking for a reason not to punch the screen.
I think "Willow" himself was exited when he was asked to reprise his role, but after getting the didsapointing script went into full "I'm just here for the money" mode.
Worst part is, there were 2 books published as sequels to Willow that were excellent. They followed Elora Danan as she grew up and learned about her purpose, fleshed out the world, and showed Willow Ufgood after becoming a great wizard. It actually ticked all the necessary boxes for those all about "the message" tm, and was still a great sequel and conclusion to the original movie. Shadow Moon and Shadow Dawn, I believe they were called.
Well, if you'd only had persevered till ep. 5, you would have enjoyed a forest Woodstock-like dance party with modern pop background music played by an invisible DJ. Just when you thought it was safe!
The episode where strong female character and ginger plank of wood beat the shit out of each other to accurately represent same sex relationships brought a tear to my eye.
@M Movies have had strong female action leads since the 1910's. There were quite a few women who were the leads in action films and serials. Pearl White, Helen Gibson, Ruth Roland, etc, it's nowhere near as new or rare or people pretend it is.
@Bluglon16 epický hráč it’s almost like movies since the 70’s have had strong female characters without beating the viewer over the head with them being woman and strong.. it’s almost like people use to actually try to write a script at that time. Wild huh?
I was a kid when I first saw this movie and I absolutely loved it. I'm one of those guys that have this right up there with some of my favorite movies of all time. It's right up there with Star Wars and a few others for me from my childhood that just have a special place in my heart despite the flaws. We never got to see at their full potential and then when we get to see them all these years later when we might actually get a chance to actually see their full potential they just decide to say nope not today instead you're going to get a broken depraved a****** who is losing their power either willingly or unwillingly and they just want to die or be left alone etc. I really am getting sick of it. They did it to Luke and now they've done it to willow. I love the idea at the end of the willow movie of seeing Willow being given to spell book and the confidence to finally be able to realize his full potential as a wizard or sorcerer what have you. It was a fun idea to think about especially considering that we'd seen three other sorcerers perform incredible things so it was a fun thing to think about. But instead they just once again decide nope Willow is now just a broken a****** who can't use this magic. Very lame
And the cherry on top of what upset me with how they did him was the queen telling him he's no sorcerer yet we see him do some badass magic an episode or 2 later which obviously shows he is and is capable of amazing feats. I just didn't understand why the characters of all people would do him this way or make him seem like a liar and crazy, useless, disillusioned old man. It had so much potential, and not all the actors were bad. I just wanna know where it went wrong
Ginger singularity?! Ahaha ... Good one. Was thinking thru all this - if my books ever become movies, I'll be scrolling your vids to hear you rip my story and characters to threads! That would definately be an honor for me.
Love your videos and and super excited to see your upcoming short film. It better be a better ride than Tatiana :) Also, Ginger plank of wood finds your title offensive, she prefers the term Mick Fucknell
I didn't even make it 30 minutes into the new Willow before shutting it off. One of the actresses was speaking like it was 2022 , "like, you know?". Disney = finished. Edit - just got to the part where you mention this!! 😂😂😂😂
How come they have to cast lesbian characters as overtly masculine or use fugly chicks? I hate to break it to Hollywood, but um, I've met some very girly lesbians who you wouldn't know played for that team unless they told you.
Imma be honest, I think the best think that could happen to this show would be a talking car from the 1980's suddenly burst onto the set and scene, told Strong Female Character to hop in, and the first episode ends with them riding off into the sunset to save her brother. Then the second episode begins with them setting up camp for the night, only to find out that Ginger Plank of Wood somehow stowed away in the trunk, how? Don't know!
I recall the original 'Willow' movie with fond regard; it seemed to capture a quiet resolve in regard to positive action in the face of dark, threatening Power, at a time when the real world was teetering on the edge... For me, a particularly memorable scene was when Kilmer's character and one of the thugs he's just been fighting stand, aghast, next to one another and stare in shocked immobility at the huge, monstrous thing taking shape in the courtyard; after a moment, they remember to keep exchanging blows! 😁 (However, those two small 'pixies', whatever, really irritated me.👎)
Well, The critical drinker you are star, love your straight talking and the deserved put downs, I stumbled across this channel and it's made my night 👏👏
Can we just take a moment to thank TCD for watching all this crap so we don't have to? He has literally saved me dozens of hours of personal tragedy. To TCD: A heartfelt "Thank you".
This ought to be his new opening line: "Hulloooooohhhhhhh, I'm The Critical Drinker. I wade up to my hips through a river of shit so YOU don't have to!"
@kartoffelman111 Yes he did say that about videogames, and obviously he was dead wrong. IMO some videogames have more artistic merit than movies nowadays.
@kartoffelman111 Thank you for your reply. I would struggle to address your points at length. It's late - but what follows is only what immediately occurs to me. I don't seek to label anyone, except based on their actions. It has nothing to do with whether I think a movie is "fine" or not. It's the anger that is generated when some audience members see something they don't like. THEY are the ones chucking labels around (they have a label for everything). I'm just remembering the days when whether we liked something or not was seen as our own personal response, and not because a studio "RUINED!" something, with calls for sackings and bankruptcies quickly following. From a historical context I am not talking about a few preachy movies scattered throughout the decades. Almost ALL movies seek to tell us something about ourselves and society. A story is not worth telling it if doesn't contemplate those things. All we have to identify with is our humanity and our society. There are literally no other stories to tell..Like I said, it's not the movies that have changed, it's the audience. On that point... I find the Luke Skywalker point fascinating, and I originally brought it up because it's (in my view) a great example of audiences claiming something is "wrong" when, in fact, it just isn't what they wanted to see. There's an enormous difference, and the failure to differentiate between the two is what worries me. The claim that Luke Skywalker is a different character in TLJ is demonstrably untrue. He doesn't exhibit a single character trait in that film that isn't also present in the original trilogy within the scope of his character. He is not the simplistic "good guy hero" that some people misremember. It is a perfectly logical projection of where we might find that character three decades hence, and chimes perfectly within the overall themes of Star Wars. The will to see this character as some shallow "awesome badass" (as MANY "fans" clearly wanted) is the true betrayal of that much more complex character. This plays into the strange need by some audiences today to resist being challenged in any way. I sincerely believe this is a generational problem, and my generation never had that problem. Now... No one is saying anyone has to like Luke in the TLJ, or like the TLJ at all. That is just opinion. But it is not "wrong". For instance - Some may want to see old-man Luke Skywalker running around with a lightsaber, no different from when he was young, having learned nothing about himself or his world, and racing into a battle he knows he can't win - but I do not. I want to be challenged with what that character may become when he realises the truth... he can't win! Why? Because none of us can "win"! That's the humanity of that character. How can a fan of Luke's not empathise or even recognise that? The mind boggles. However, Lucasfilm have now backtracked to a more "recognisable" version of Luke. I am not interested in it. But I won't be calling for Kathleen Kennedys job, or her head.
@Andrew McDermott - Filmmaker There is a lot to unpack here and this being the internet, I'm afraid you're not going to say "fair enough" to any of my arguments. I'd still appreciate some sort of reply to what follows, even if it's just a "you're wrong, dumb and smelly", I'll take it. I am no film scholar myself, so I have no solidly established framework I can base myself on when I say a movie's casting has been made with too much of a focus on external characteristics, like skin colour. I can only say that I notice a lot of Mary-Sue type female characters in original works (new Star Wars trilogy) and a choice to hire BIPOC actors to portray characters in adaptations of other works, where it's a marked choice as opposed to what the adapted source material describes (The Witcher). These are two different points though and I personally think the Mary Sues are much worse offenders than a darker skinned Triss than readers expected. I don't disagree with your statement in your second paragraph, I just don't really know what to address there. Maybe you're right and I have simply forgotten about the bad, preachy movies from earlier decades. On the other hand, this reminds me of the Dark Dungeons adaptation from 2014, which is so ridiculous that folks don't agree whether it is a satire or serious. My point was that it is fair to address certain issues, but it has to fit the overall theme of the movie. Many modern fantasy movies are less about world-building, character development and plot than about presenting characters, whose sole outstanding trait is their gender or ethnicity, complemented by fancy effects and really shallow comedy. The stuff that gets labeled as woke is not feminism, rejection of racism of all kinds and a statement for mutual respect, regardless of traits like sexuality and gender. What is criticised as woke in movies is mostly a disingenuous emphasis of the above things at the cost of a convincing work of art. It is pretty ironic that many of the works that are criticised for this are made by companies that represent what actual feminists and proponents of equality are fighting against. I think what's really dangerous, is that the false dichotomy that is consistently being inflated in recent years, leads people to forget that you're not either an uncritical woke fool or what you diffusely describe as an insecure prick who loves to hate things. People can actually dislike the new Star Wars movies and not be women-hating nazis, just like people who do like these movies are not automatically "marxist communist fascists" (or whatever alt-right knuckleheads call their strawmen). I think it's vital to respect an opinion on a movie outside the question of current-era identity politics, even if a person criticises a movie to cater too much to some political camp or another. About your last paragraph, I think that your point about a black female James Bond is a good example for what I mean. Obviously every racist is going to hate a black actor portraying a character from a franchise that was traditionally always white. Obviously a mysogynist (insert same sentence) always male. However it's plain wrong to then conclude that everybody who dislikes the choice to have James Bond be portrayed by a black woman must be a racist, mysogynist or a racist mysogynist. It is very much comprehensible that fans of such a long-standing movie franchise are averted to any kind of major change. Hell, Daniel Craig got his share of flame too, even though that was before the shitstorm-era we're now in. Since "James Bond" was still portrayed by a white man in the last movie, that whole debate back then was pointless anyways. Besides, it makes sense that his number 007 could be given to absolutely any human who would replace his position at the MI6, so... meh? Your point about Luke Skywalker is similar but different. Here we have a character who was portrayed by the same actor, but who was written as a completely different character than what the original writer created. Again, we have a character who has a huge legacy: people have seen Luke develop from a gullible farm boy to a wise warrior in a classical movie franchise - really the movies that made the franchise so big. Seeing that same hero suddenly behaving in such a radically different way HAS to rile fans up and if you follow the logic of his character development in the classic trilogy, it is extremely odd and inexplicable that he'd behave so differently in the new movies. It really is not the same Luke and I am sure even the writers would tell you so, after all, that probably was their intention. Of course every single argument here warrants hours of discussion, I really just tried to give condensed reactions to your answer (I know, this is already horribly wordy, sorry). The one overarching problem I see in your comment is your tendency to label people as this or that ("insecure", "love to hate things") just because they dislike and criticise things that you consider perfectly fine. It's fine to disagree with them, but it's wrong to jump to conclusions about people's overall personalities and convictions based on whether they like a movie or not. Even if their opinion of a movie is to some degree in line with that of utter nazis, that does not warrant any statement that they too must be a nazi. I don't think it's worrying. People have all sorts of opinions on works of entertainment and even though some are, in my view, terribly wrong, that's still okay. I mean: Roger Ebert once claimed videogames cannot ever be art. He was no fool, but man was he wrong on that account, wouldn't you agree? :)
I think that’s exactly what they’re going for in a fun fantasy story that the whole family can enjoy, which actually I kinda dig. That’s what the original movie was and honestly I’m getting kinda tired of everything being so much, sometimes I don’t want high society politics with back stabbing and what not and I just wanna enjoy a story of a group of unlikely heroes on a journey to save the world. Could’ve used a better touch up on the script though. You can just tell some of the dialogue that this was made in the Marvel-Disney era and it’s just jarringly bad.
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Not all the participants were bad. The horses were cute and fulfilled their roles as mounts flawlessly.
@HawkGTboy Considering how this show got canceled and the upcoming banking collapse, somehow I don't think that is gonna be a problem.
@Nathan Cassidy Give it time. Human-equine love will be taught in schools come 2030 or so.
They're reflecting their equine privilege. In the progressive future they must use goats who've transitioned into trans-horses.
Ahh you also noticed who held the movie on their shoulders.
Best performance in the entire show.
The TV series has 8 episode with a total playtime of roughly 400 minutes. This 12 minutes long review video has 1.6 million views so far. So Drinker actually saved 400 * 1.6 million - 12 * 1.6 million = 620.8 million minutes for humanity. I call this serving the good cause!
@nomad person GUYS GUYS I found the one fan of the show
You probably failed maths if you assume that everyone haven't watched the series before watching this review. You also assume many people won't watch series after watching this. C'mon many people watch just to kill the time.
That works out to 14 human lifetimes.
Lmao hell yeah!! I knew this show was going to be absolute shit, and I was right again. I loved the original movie as a kid. I hate modern Disney.
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I liked how “strong female lesbian character” and the “ginger plank of wood” have this look of disdain on their faces after Willow was telling the fair-skinned blonde haired blue eyed serving girl would be the future ruler of the Willow realms.
Only you noticed that highly racial thing.
@Sir Piken They explain it, but the explanation is stupid.
Basically, they didn't raise her and got her raised as a commoner to protect her from a prophecy.
But it's very clear in context that the best way to protect her would have been to train her.
@AnwylHSM She mentions that she dyes her hair for some reason. I don't remember which one, maybe just taste. It just a line of dialogue and they don't dwell on it.
@Sir Piken I agree with you, I would add to it - the movie ends with the couple holding the baby and waving Willow goodbye - that was not implied, that was straight up told that they kept the baby :D
@bones10145 yup.. she turns into a red head in Ep6(ish).
I just love how the characters speak in a modern manner, and wear modern looking clothes, even though this is a medieval fantasy.
Yeah it's super weird. Like at least try? When the berry bush grew from magic I was expecting a response of "oh fucking Hella cool bro" 🤣 then you have people wearing jeans and shit. Just why?
And half of the old characters talk like they’re from old times, it’s so weird
Remember when Willow was just a story of a dwarf and a baby going on an adventure?
Not a dwarf, but a Peck. PECK PECK PECK PECK PECK. Also Mad Mardigan and the brownies. Can't forget them.
I lost it at "beta male who uses safety scissors to open his bag of crisps." 🤣👏🏽
I like the 2 redheads creating a ginger singularity that would destroy the universe comment...i lost it and almost wrecked
Rings of power, wheel of time, witcher and now willow. The people that tried to gaslight us and said this is a "golden age for fantasy" are such despicable people.
Lux Aeterna "reasonable" doing a lot of heavy lifting for ya there.
@Chad 007 Thanks, king
I thought wheel of time was better than the others, especially rings of power considering the difference in budget
@Matt Alaric if you say so
"talentless diversity." Gave me a chuckle on that. Nicely done.
when woke goes too far
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”Ginger singularity that could destroy our universe” 😂
Genius
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I guess the writing crew thought she needed a soul
@John Bayman ew
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Honestly. Naming her “strong female character” made her more memorable than the usual name. Cause it’s so common to have a strong female character that i forgot which one they were talking about
My god dude, I was really looking forward to this sequel, since you know, It came out when I was a kid, I loved it. However, I agree with every single thing you said, I am disgusted and disappointed severely at what they have put out. This is horrible, it's a disgrace, how tragic.
@AnwylHSM If its that bad, don't hate watch it. All you're doing is adding to the viewing figures which means more of this garbage will get made in future.
I agree. This is a pandering craphole of a show.
@Hatchete As quoted from Wikipedia:
"Active within the industry since he was twelve, Davis is one of the highest grossing supporting actors of all time (excluding cameo appearances), owing predominantly to his appearances in the Star Wars and Harry Potter series of films"~~~
So *No* I have to disagree. After being in Star Wars, Leprechaun & it's 5 sequels,, Narnia, Harry Potter, he could live large off sci-fi/fantasy/horror convention appearances alone.
I understand if you like the guy, I rather like him myself from what little I know of him but to defend him for taking part in this *woke* regurgitation excuse for a sequel is like saying "I'm not gay but $20 is $20."
Warwick *should not* have done this.
@Uniparty Mouse I don't blame him tbh, he probably got a decent paycheck. Man's gotta work.
Warwick Davis shouldna done this.
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I do. She's got the perfect multi-culti look. Actual talent doesn't matter to these weirdos.
Well, she does have nice...er...mammary appendages.
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@Joeka Your initial thought was correct: she is a black ginger (Jamaican/Irish).
She looked like a black ginger for a second.
@thehunzz i pretty much only watch KZclip and old TV shows like Seinfeld, Trailer Park Boys and Simpsons, and I have had all those on my hard drive for a decade lol.
1. Ginger singularity. I loved that phrase.
2. I'm happy for Warwick Davies getting to reprise a role. Too bad he wasn't happy to reprise the role.
3. Thank you for watching these so that I don't have to.
The plank of wood was the plank of wood in falcon and winter soldier as well. It's amazing how she kept the consistency.
I guess she's got magical lady parts. How else is she getting all those roles?
She's the best example of what's wrong with Hollywood / Disney / Netflix casting post 2019
She's multi-ethnic AND a lesbian. I'm surprised they didn't make her their official spokeperson already and that she don't have 4 roles in that serie.
Everything you said was spot on in this review 🤣🤣🤣 I loved the Willow movie and tried to watch this. I got to the 3rd episode and when the two farm Ladies wearing clothes from the Bass Pro shop were introduced I gave up. They already weren't taking the story or acting serious, so when they gave up on the costumes I did too.
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Where is that? Timestamp?
Oh never mind I found it, 5:50.
Never would have guessed that was a clip from the show! I wondered why it was in the vid. WOW!
I was utterly baffled when I saw that. He showed it briefly in the video but I'm disappointed Drinker didn't bring it up.
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Remember how baby Elora had red hair? Look at our red hair strong female. Well, she’s not Elora. We misled you because we’re clever writers. What a twist!
Aye, that was very Shamalon of them.
i felt bad for Graydon throughout the show, he got dragged into danger, almost died, got posesed, got hated for being posesed, learned magic and was finally useful, then he immediatly "died" and they almost forgot about him 10 minutes later.
It's a medieval fantasy and they have a character named GRAYDON. that's all you need to know about the writers of this thing.
The drinker getting angrier when he says "Go away now" is more character development than all of these shows can come up with.
Nah, its emotion changes depending on his mood and where on the spectrum angry - disappointment he sits at a review.
You can believe that!
Hahaha! I wish my doorbell yelled out “GO AWAY NOW!” just like he does
Yeap, you can feel the rage is burnin' !!!
Gave me a jumpscare this time around
y'know, if the plot had involved the princess being kidnapped rather than the prince, she'd have had a defiant appearance in every episode, and she'd have escaped on her own by the time the others arrived
And probably had captured her kidnapper as well. Or married him already not for him, but to show everyone how she's empowered.
Willow didnt need to be "woked" it already had strong female characters and even flids and munchkins, joanne whalley kilmer was my first crush she made me clutch my tinkle.
Have you forgotten that "Finchy from The Office" played 'William' in The Witch (2015). This man is a great actor and that was a memorable and original film.
Made me laugh so hard when he talked about the uncle at Christmas, I have one of those - he got caught stealing people's property after a flood and claimed he didn't know it belonged to anyone...yes Glen, we believe you
At Christmas get-together, my family decided to watch a movie, and I said lets watch Willow, it looked interesting because of Warrick Davis, like 15 minutes into it I was like Ok im bored and I dont think its going to get any better, and everyone at the same time said “yeah” lmao it was like the elephant in the room on how shitty it was, Im glad we didn’t forcefully sit through it for Christmas, we ended up watching Cabinet of Curiosities, much better
Scientists warn that within 5 years time disney will run out of childhood classics to ruin
If that is not a Babylon Bee headline, it should be.
They will just buy more to ruin. Why do you think they bought Lucas Films?
Lol facts
@Al Storm yeah, but the childhood memories will already be ruined with the first remake tho...
Strong, female character (Willow edition) recalls one of my favorite quotes from Mauler/EFAP's coverage of Batwoman:
"She literally has villainous traits, yet she's supposed to be our hero."
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Now Sorsha was a REAL strong female character who switched sides for the sake of a good man. Wouldn't we have loved to see her and Madmartigan having adventures while raising Elora and the other kids?
I love the part where the guy says, 'You gotta be vigilant out here or you die.' then he dies for a gag, not getting any character development.
Also they manage to not see or hear like 12 guys on horseback on a giant, open, flag field.
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Fantasy is a genre Hollywood seldom knows how to make or adapt to screen.
How true.
2:59 - "Believe it."
3:12 - "the show has to reflect the world we live in today" 😆
10:02 - "modern audience"
12:38 - "That's all for today. GO AWAY NOW"
“Strong Female Character, Ginger Plank of Wood and a group of talentless diversity hires” is flawlessly put. This entire review is flawless
Any time Gonger plank of wood is in a movie or show, it is crap.
@R. Lee good point
A top review of this abysmal show
I loved Willow as a kid and still do now. I was one of probably a few people who wanted more Willow so I was really excited that there would be a Tv show...That's where my story ends!!!😔
Congratulations! You made it further than I did before turning it off for good. It' felt like it was written by teenagers for teenagers in a high school drama class. It wasn't just the unrelatable obsessing that means very little in the face of inhalation, or the acting that came across like no one wanted to be there, it was the little things. Like how their cloths always looked bright and laundered while living rough on a hike across the country side; the musical score that lacked the levity of the original; and, the lack of common dark prejudices and social statues that brought importance to the presence of Madmartigan and provided a personal struggle for willow relatable in some way to all ages. It should be mandatory for any adventure writer to maybe go on an adventure and live in the wild for a time, or at least step outside their gilded life to see what a competent adventurer and high stakes life choices looks like. This show would have been much better off for it.
The sped up validation footage of Willow basically eating out the Particularly Strong Female Character was hilarious. The only exit it needed was something that pooed at how long winded it was 😂
That “go away now” actually scared me 😂
I was excited about the Willow series and then I heard what it was about. Bluuuuck! I loved your commentary and could not stop laughing 🤣but it is SO TRUE.
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It's amazing how EVERY FANTASY SERIES turns out to be.....just like our world today.....which I'm always trying to escape.
@Rijjhb It CAN be done - I love the Avengers in the 60s, I loved Sarah Connor, I loved Wrigley in Alien, I loved Valeria in Conan.....so many great female heroes. I loved Blade and Will Smith in Independence Day. Shaft. Sam Jackson in almost anything. But these are good actors in meaty roles that don't rely exclusively on the color or sex.
@Rijjhb They shoe horn it into EVERYTHING because EVERYTHING must reflect their ideologies and ONLY their ideologies.
@Kendaar Amazon is doing that franchise with Henry Cavill at the helm.
@JonahsWail They're hellbent on destroying anything we loved from our childhood by hiring activists instead of writers.
This is, unfortunately very accurate. Only the doubt of a fandom desire for more Willow is off target. Now that fandom is no doubt regretting what they wished for. Just. SO. Bad.
Love ya work Drinker. You always sum up this woke shit perfectly.
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3:13 - I rolled off my chair laughing. Such a perfect insert.
The first 50 seconds of this dialog makes it well worth the watch! Hilarious.
That "go away now” was specially powerful and intense this time. Thank you, drinker.
We should all take just a moment to thank The Drinker for sparing us the horror of having to watch this show. He threw himself on that grenade, and he deserves our gratitude.
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Yes
Yeah, I loved the original movie, and was intrigued. So disappointing.
@Ania G Money? Girl's gotta eat, you know?
Truly stunning and brave I got the chills
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Clearly Plank of wood has strong family connections in Hollywood.
"Kellyman is multiracial" and "an open lesbian." Hollywood would have been frothing at the mouth trying to shoehorn her into anything and everything, because she's perfect for "Modern audiences".😏
Or strong game on the casting couch
Ginger Plank of Wood is called Erin Kellyman. She was also in Solo and The Falcon & The Winter Soldier.
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to be fair, the original Lucas willow sequel that George wrote, which is amazing in my opinion has a bunch of strong female characters. although it was probably way too dark for Disney.
@DocHolliday311 do you want to be spoiled?
I have the trilogy...but haven't read them yet. I was so upset when they killed madmartigan off in the first few pages .he doesn't come back does he?
These don't seem like genuinely strong female characters
I swear the disney+ streaming trailer literally looked like a damn commercial 😂
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It's kind of amazing that The Drinker's critiques of Disney's shows are always more entertaining and insightful than the shows themselves.
@H Paul Bryant Disney kills everything it touches.
@H Paul Bryant Getting drunk beforehand is required.
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I do not watch the movies unless directed to by the multi faceted drinker...
Yes so funny . First time I’m here. Bloody brilliant 👍🤣
I saw your review pop up in my feed and thought, no wait, I'll watch it first as the original holds fond memories (not a piece of art, but a fun watch as a kid) and then I'll see if I agree with you. As soon as it started I thought, what on earth have they done? I agreed with every point you made - I wondered if you would pick up on Warwick's acting as well and of course you did. But now we have a different type of singularity present to destroy our universe - planks of wood everywhere!
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When that Ginger plank of wood took her helmet off in the Solo movie I almost fell out of my chair laughing like seriously this is supposed to be the menacing bad guy no pun intended
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The part where Enfys Nest became a terrorist because she was kicked out of someone else's house after they came back from the snap was my favorite scene in Willow.
I did enjoy two things about this absolute horror. Fauxlora Dannon's green sweater is pretty nice. And poor Amar Chadha-Patel. I think his hope is my hope: that someone sees him somehow and gives him a reasonable role someday. Bit of a longshot since there are almost no good roles out there, but I get it. Everything else... no. We made it through the Enter Sandman cover at the end of an episode and just weren't even able to laugh at it any longer.
Patel was definitely a highlight. His character and the other young guy of color, who's name I've honestly forgotten, were the only one's who's character arch I actually cared about. The girls were just too perfect and predictable, even how they'd work through their flaws were predictable and hard to enjoy. There was also no real sense of danger for them, I knew they'd be fine because they always looked amazing, which only takes me out of it. Can't be hot all the time. That's part of why I enjoyed the 1st willow. Nobody was afraid to get and stay dirty, even the badass woman and she was fn hot for that!
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Worse than shehulk !
That's one thing I never thought you would say my friend !
And we both thought the studio couldn't possibly get any lower
We both were proven wrong
I spose the challenge now is to make something even worse that willow and break that record too
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Sounds like this series should have never been made.
And the pitch meeting from Ryan George
I never watch any of them - just here for the Drinker lolz. If he says something is good then I mentally flag it for future consumption.
Fucking yes. I look forward far more to the Drinker's reviews on these abominations than the actual abominations.
Dead fish can't play instruments.
That drawn out syllable at the end of every sentence made me laugh 😂
StroNG femALE CHarachTER
It made me laugh too.
My favourite part: Willow finally shows up after 1 hour.. in a show called.. Willow. LOL!
The show felt like someone's spoiled tweener niece wrote her own fantasy novel, who promotly nagged to have her aunt/uncle at Disney turn it into a show, and the execs, hamstrung to turn the questionably "done" script into a show, retconned Willow into the script, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THEY WERE GONNA CON ANYONE INTO WATCHING IT.
I came her to defend mah boy WIllow before the creeping horror of realization hit me and I realized its a show made off the movie I loved as a kid. kill it with fire.
Ginger plank of wood😂😂😂
I love it when the Drinker makes up nicknames for the characters and refuses to use the names they were given in the show. Such an entertaining power move
THE MESSAGE
Let's dehumanize our sworn enemies, unironically
"Ginger plank of wood" is my favourite 😁
It's a great comedy device taken straight from RLM's Plinkett reviews.
@flashbang.. air dryer potatoes. I clicked, so you don't have to.
Watching episode four at the moment, wimpy prince kid (who Elora Danan is apparently going to dump the kid she just agreed to marry for) asks her how she'll know how to get around in the castle. She haughtily turns back to him and says, "I was born here."
Which is definitely consistent with the fact that she forgot who Willow was, that she actually was Elora Danan, or that she was a redhead.
Well, this was the most of Willow that I ever planned on watching. I cannot tell you how much that I appreciate your sacrifice in viewing these pieces of trash for me Critical Drinker. You have saved me from innumerable moments of misery.
I feel so bad for my dad lol. Whenever I'm over I excitedly asked throughout the last year about, Wheel of Time, Rings of Power and Willow (which I thought was a movie remake)
All properties my dad loved and introduced to me when I was younger.
God damn I mean i don't think he totally notices what's bad about them he just gets bored.
Thanks for this. I was wondering what this new show was about it, and now I know it's got absolutely everything I hate in a show, lol
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As a ginger I can confirm you can’t have two main ginger character on screen at once it would indeed create the singularity that destroys the universe
I had a professor of creative writing once tell me when I was in college that "you cannot write characters who are smarter than yourself." I have been thinking about that a lot recently.
@KAB LAMMATS Exactly.
@Brandon Castile While I appreciate your trying to help writers, your trick isn't a means for average writers to write smart characters. It's a mean for smart writers to write smart characters. You have to answer a variety of questions for the problem and solution that require a great deal of intelligence. Your trick could theoretically be used by a dumb writer only to make a dumb character look smarter by comparison to even dumber characters whereas you would need to satisfy a series of conditions to convince the audience of a character's intelligence. How would your average joe not be able to solve the problem and only Smart Guy tm could? How did he know what to do? How does his knowing what to do indicative of his background and intelligence and not circumstance and asspullery? Why would any other character be able to solve the problem?
Writing the problem and answer first isn't a solution to writing smart characters. It's the same process but backwards. It has to be logical and internally consistent. You can't write characters smarter than yourself.
@Brandon Castile Maybe, but if the writer isn't very clever about it, the contrivance is immersion-breakingly obvious.
@SK Wills well I suppose you are going to live forever so I guess you have that, right? Because you clearly aren't descended from people that ate from the Tree of knowledge.
100% agree! You made it 2 episodes farther than I did before throwing in the towel.
Watched the first episode, or at least 50% of it, 'cause my eyes were rolling so much back in my head I ended scanning my brain looking for a reason not to punch the screen.
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I haven’t stopped laughing at this review absolutely brilliant … amazing I’m subscribing now
This youtube video is the only thing I’ll watch of this Willow show 😂
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The "GO AWAY NOW" had more acting in it than all of Willow. Impressive.
He put so much commanding authority into this one that I was about to literally walk away this time.
It honestly scared the dog out of me. I never heard one that aggressive.
LOL!
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I think "Willow" himself was exited when he was asked to reprise his role, but after getting the didsapointing script went into full "I'm just here for the money" mode.
Worst part is, there were 2 books published as sequels to Willow that were excellent. They followed Elora Danan as she grew up and learned about her purpose, fleshed out the world, and showed Willow Ufgood after becoming a great wizard. It actually ticked all the necessary boxes for those all about "the message" tm, and was still a great sequel and conclusion to the original movie. Shadow Moon and Shadow Dawn, I believe they were called.
I had no idea there were books written as sequels. Definitely gonna add those to the list
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So funny. Best review I've watched in a long time. Glad to find your channel. Looking forward to more 😁😂
OMG, didn't see the show but this review is very entertaining.
Well, if you'd only had persevered till ep. 5, you would have enjoyed a forest Woodstock-like dance party with modern pop background music played by an invisible DJ. Just when you thought it was safe!
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The episode where strong female character and ginger plank of wood beat the shit out of each other to accurately represent same sex relationships brought a tear to my eye.
@M Movies have had strong female action leads since the 1910's. There were quite a few women who were the leads in action films and serials. Pearl White, Helen Gibson, Ruth Roland, etc, it's nowhere near as new or rare or people pretend it is.
I admire their commitment to accuracy, how brave and valid of them
Good representation of the typical lesbian couple. Lmaooo
@Bluglon16 epický hráč it’s almost like movies since the 70’s have had strong female characters without beating the viewer over the head with them being woman and strong.. it’s almost like people use to actually try to write a script at that time. Wild huh?
I was a kid when I first saw this movie and I absolutely loved it. I'm one of those guys that have this right up there with some of my favorite movies of all time. It's right up there with Star Wars and a few others for me from my childhood that just have a special place in my heart despite the flaws. We never got to see at their full potential and then when we get to see them all these years later when we might actually get a chance to actually see their full potential they just decide to say nope not today instead you're going to get a broken depraved a****** who is losing their power either willingly or unwillingly and they just want to die or be left alone etc. I really am getting sick of it. They did it to Luke and now they've done it to willow. I love the idea at the end of the willow movie of seeing Willow being given to spell book and the confidence to finally be able to realize his full potential as a wizard or sorcerer what have you. It was a fun idea to think about especially considering that we'd seen three other sorcerers perform incredible things so it was a fun thing to think about. But instead they just once again decide nope Willow is now just a broken a****** who can't use this magic. Very lame
And the cherry on top of what upset me with how they did him was the queen telling him he's no sorcerer yet we see him do some badass magic an episode or 2 later which obviously shows he is and is capable of amazing feats. I just didn't understand why the characters of all people would do him this way or make him seem like a liar and crazy, useless, disillusioned old man. It had so much potential, and not all the actors were bad. I just wanna know where it went wrong
Well done sir! Some of your best quibs. I had some great belly laughs. Keep up the good work.
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I'm so glad you're doing the heavy lifting so we don't have to. I haven't been to the theater or watched a recent film in over a decade.
Ginger singularity?! Ahaha ... Good one.
Was thinking thru all this - if my books ever become movies, I'll be scrolling your vids to hear you rip my story and characters to threads! That would definately be an honor for me.
This review kills me every time!!🤣
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These drinker videos are actually the only way I take in modern movies and shows these days.
I'd buy you drink if I wasn't such a stingy bastard. Here, here!
same here. I am certainly not going to get one of these streaming services!
This is a tv series, but it's an accurate depiction. Watch it if you don't believe him, but you'll agree after a few minutes.
Same here!! You don't need to waste your money on them with the Drinker!!
Same
That was one of the most fun reviews I seen ;)
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Love your videos and and super excited to see your upcoming short film. It better be a better ride than Tatiana :) Also, Ginger plank of wood finds your title offensive, she prefers the term Mick Fucknell
Hahaha like two red heads in one production would cause a ginger singularity that would destroy the universe.. made me laugh hella hard
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I didn't even make it 30 minutes into the new Willow before shutting it off. One of the actresses was speaking like it was 2022 , "like, you know?". Disney = finished. Edit - just got to the part where you mention this!! 😂😂😂😂
"Ginger plank of wood" checks so many diversity quota boxes, i'm surprised she doesn't have 3 roles in this show.
How come they have to cast lesbian characters as overtly masculine or use fugly chicks? I hate to break it to Hollywood, but um, I've met some very girly lesbians who you wouldn't know played for that team unless they told you.
@JB Brolic not true at all. Some Africans have natural ginger hair color.
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Producers of this show probably thought that Life's Too Short was a serious documentary about Warwick Davies
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Imma be honest, I think the best think that could happen to this show would be a talking car from the 1980's suddenly burst onto the set and scene, told Strong Female Character to hop in, and the first episode ends with them riding off into the sunset to save her brother. Then the second episode begins with them setting up camp for the night, only to find out that Ginger Plank of Wood somehow stowed away in the trunk, how? Don't know!
I recall the original 'Willow' movie with fond regard; it seemed to capture a quiet resolve in regard to positive action in the face of dark, threatening Power, at a time when the real world was teetering on the edge...
For me, a particularly memorable scene was when Kilmer's character and one of the thugs he's just been fighting stand, aghast, next to one another and stare in shocked immobility at the huge, monstrous thing taking shape in the courtyard; after a moment, they remember to keep exchanging blows! 😁
(However, those two small 'pixies', whatever, really irritated me.👎)
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Can we just take a moment to thank TCD for watching all this crap so we don't have to? He has literally saved me dozens of hours of personal tragedy.
To TCD: A heartfelt "Thank you".
This ought to be his new opening line: "Hulloooooohhhhhhh, I'm The Critical Drinker. I wade up to my hips through a river of shit so YOU don't have to!"
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@kartoffelman111 Yes he did say that about videogames, and obviously he was dead wrong. IMO some videogames have more artistic merit than movies nowadays.
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Thank you for your reply. I would struggle to address your points at length. It's late - but what follows is only what immediately occurs to me.
I don't seek to label anyone, except based on their actions. It has nothing to do with whether I think a movie is "fine" or not. It's the anger that is generated when some audience members see something they don't like. THEY are the ones chucking labels around (they have a label for everything). I'm just remembering the days when whether we liked something or not was seen as our own personal response, and not because a studio "RUINED!" something, with calls for sackings and bankruptcies quickly following.
From a historical context I am not talking about a few preachy movies scattered throughout the decades. Almost ALL movies seek to tell us something about ourselves and society. A story is not worth telling it if doesn't contemplate those things. All we have to identify with is our humanity and our society. There are literally no other stories to tell..Like I said, it's not the movies that have changed, it's the audience.
On that point...
I find the Luke Skywalker point fascinating, and I originally brought it up because it's (in my view) a great example of audiences claiming something is "wrong" when, in fact, it just isn't what they wanted to see. There's an enormous difference, and the failure to differentiate between the two is what worries me.
The claim that Luke Skywalker is a different character in TLJ is demonstrably untrue. He doesn't exhibit a single character trait in that film that isn't also present in the original trilogy within the scope of his character. He is not the simplistic "good guy hero" that some people misremember. It is a perfectly logical projection of where we might find that character three decades hence, and chimes perfectly within the overall themes of Star Wars.
The will to see this character as some shallow "awesome badass" (as MANY "fans" clearly wanted) is the true betrayal of that much more complex character. This plays into the strange need by some audiences today to resist being challenged in any way. I sincerely believe this is a generational problem, and my generation never had that problem.
Now... No one is saying anyone has to like Luke in the TLJ, or like the TLJ at all. That is just opinion. But it is not "wrong".
For instance - Some may want to see old-man Luke Skywalker running around with a lightsaber, no different from when he was young, having learned nothing about himself or his world, and racing into a battle he knows he can't win - but I do not. I want to be challenged with what that character may become when he realises the truth... he can't win! Why? Because none of us can "win"! That's the humanity of that character. How can a fan of Luke's not empathise or even recognise that? The mind boggles.
However, Lucasfilm have now backtracked to a more "recognisable" version of Luke. I am not interested in it. But I won't be calling for Kathleen Kennedys job, or her head.
@Andrew McDermott - Filmmaker There is a lot to unpack here and this being the internet, I'm afraid you're not going to say "fair enough" to any of my arguments. I'd still appreciate some sort of reply to what follows, even if it's just a "you're wrong, dumb and smelly", I'll take it.
I am no film scholar myself, so I have no solidly established framework I can base myself on when I say a movie's casting has been made with too much of a focus on external characteristics, like skin colour.
I can only say that I notice a lot of Mary-Sue type female characters in original works (new Star Wars trilogy) and a choice to hire BIPOC actors to portray characters in adaptations of other works, where it's a marked choice as opposed to what the adapted source material describes (The Witcher). These are two different points though and I personally think the Mary Sues are much worse offenders than a darker skinned Triss than readers expected.
I don't disagree with your statement in your second paragraph, I just don't really know what to address there. Maybe you're right and I have simply forgotten about the bad, preachy movies from earlier decades. On the other hand, this reminds me of the Dark Dungeons adaptation from 2014, which is so ridiculous that folks don't agree whether it is a satire or serious.
My point was that it is fair to address certain issues, but it has to fit the overall theme of the movie. Many modern fantasy movies are less about world-building, character development and plot than about presenting characters, whose sole outstanding trait is their gender or ethnicity, complemented by fancy effects and really shallow comedy.
The stuff that gets labeled as woke is not feminism, rejection of racism of all kinds and a statement for mutual respect, regardless of traits like sexuality and gender. What is criticised as woke in movies is mostly a disingenuous emphasis of the above things at the cost of a convincing work of art. It is pretty ironic that many of the works that are criticised for this are made by companies that represent what actual feminists and proponents of equality are fighting against.
I think what's really dangerous, is that the false dichotomy that is consistently being inflated in recent years, leads people to forget that you're not either an uncritical woke fool or what you diffusely describe as an insecure prick who loves to hate things. People can actually dislike the new Star Wars movies and not be women-hating nazis, just like people who do like these movies are not automatically "marxist communist fascists" (or whatever alt-right knuckleheads call their strawmen).
I think it's vital to respect an opinion on a movie outside the question of current-era identity politics, even if a person criticises a movie to cater too much to some political camp or another.
About your last paragraph, I think that your point about a black female James Bond is a good example for what I mean. Obviously every racist is going to hate a black actor portraying a character from a franchise that was traditionally always white. Obviously a mysogynist (insert same sentence) always male. However it's plain wrong to then conclude that everybody who dislikes the choice to have James Bond be portrayed by a black woman must be a racist, mysogynist or a racist mysogynist.
It is very much comprehensible that fans of such a long-standing movie franchise are averted to any kind of major change. Hell, Daniel Craig got his share of flame too, even though that was before the shitstorm-era we're now in. Since "James Bond" was still portrayed by a white man in the last movie, that whole debate back then was pointless anyways. Besides, it makes sense that his number 007 could be given to absolutely any human who would replace his position at the MI6, so... meh?
Your point about Luke Skywalker is similar but different. Here we have a character who was portrayed by the same actor, but who was written as a completely different character than what the original writer created.
Again, we have a character who has a huge legacy: people have seen Luke develop from a gullible farm boy to a wise warrior in a classical movie franchise - really the movies that made the franchise so big. Seeing that same hero suddenly behaving in such a radically different way HAS to rile fans up and if you follow the logic of his character development in the classic trilogy, it is extremely odd and inexplicable that he'd behave so differently in the new movies.
It really is not the same Luke and I am sure even the writers would tell you so, after all, that probably was their intention.
Of course every single argument here warrants hours of discussion, I really just tried to give condensed reactions to your answer (I know, this is already horribly wordy, sorry). The one overarching problem I see in your comment is your tendency to label people as this or that ("insecure", "love to hate things") just because they dislike and criticise things that you consider perfectly fine. It's fine to disagree with them, but it's wrong to jump to conclusions about people's overall personalities and convictions based on whether they like a movie or not. Even if their opinion of a movie is to some degree in line with that of utter nazis, that does not warrant any statement that they too must be a nazi.
I don't think it's worrying. People have all sorts of opinions on works of entertainment and even though some are, in my view, terribly wrong, that's still okay. I mean: Roger Ebert once claimed videogames cannot ever be art. He was no fool, but man was he wrong on that account, wouldn't you agree? :)
I come back every couple of weeks to hear the angriest “GO AWAY NOW”.
It fills my soul.
I think that’s exactly what they’re going for in a fun fantasy story that the whole family can enjoy, which actually I kinda dig. That’s what the original movie was and honestly I’m getting kinda tired of everything being so much, sometimes I don’t want high society politics with back stabbing and what not and I just wanna enjoy a story of a group of unlikely heroes on a journey to save the world.
Could’ve used a better touch up on the script though. You can just tell some of the dialogue that this was made in the Marvel-Disney era and it’s just jarringly bad.
Yeah, I agree with some of his points as they bothered me too. Even borderline upset me at times, but I did have fun with it a bit
Just watched episode 1, the moment the old man with armor got shot in the arrow, I sensed wasted character potential.