At Darcy's first proposal scene, when they've finished their spat, and Darcy leans in a bit - wanting to kiss her... and he sees that she's also leaning in too, but still stops; apologises, and then backs away. It speaks loudly about Darcy's character and morals. Lizzy made it very clear seconds before that she didn't want him, and instead of doing what he wanted to do anyway (like many rom films), Darcy showed that he listened to her, took what she said seriously and respected her - and her decisions. Honestly, one of my favourite moments!
According to IMDB, the almost kiss was something that came up naturally during the first screen tests with Macfadyen, and it only worked so well because their chemistry was great. So they decided to keep it in (thankfully)
I love in the end when she replies “well then, your hands are cold” is because her usual wit and sarcasm have been stripped from her and for once she’s actually speechless and has no retort to his honest expression of humility and love.
@T.B. Creek Maybe im just a cheeseball for gestures and physical touch while you're more a words of affirmation person, this is about personal taste after all. Thank you for the civil debate
@pink I sat on it. For several hours actually, and only a smidge uncomfortable. I grant you physical touch was less accepted then. I give you her growth and being emotionally bare in the moment she gave an honest, caring , loving gesture, and for the first time at a loss for words. But to put myself in Mr Darcy's place, is a gesture all it is? Is it just an act from a feeling of obligation? I would want to know she knows and wants the same thing. If we are to speak of 'back then' , for the most part a man like Darcy would have got the girl he wanted and if she only did it as a gesture or obligation he would be fine with it. If she had an issue, then she would have to deal with it like Mr Collins and his wife. But this is not the case. Add to it what we know of Elizabeth, as Lady Catherine de Bourgh said, "you give your opinion very decidedly for so young a person." - Give it. No grand speech, just a yes, and then the loving gesture.
@T.B. Creek This would be a reason to dislike this scene IF we weren't talking about Lizzie Bennet and her growth since the first proposal. This scene is showing exactly that. She's striped away from all her pride and prejudice, her sarcastic comments, and denying of her own feelings for Mr. Darcy. She's actually communicating the most honest answer she could give by PHYSICAL TOUCH!! which was a big deal back then. Sit on that for a minute and then get back to me.
That’s not how I took it at all. She was constantly standoffish because of her insecurity and pride from his original insult she overheard. Even when her feelings intensified for him she couldn’t trust him (for good reason). By the time he finally came not once to her with vulnerability, but twice with now the knowledge of what he had done for her, her making contact with him finally cemented her feelings for him in just one touch. Something she kept from him (understandably in the beginning) and often flat out 🙅♀️ denied. One touch with a side of concern was enough.
Personally I would have rather had a "yes" and then what we see here. When I saw this scene I was so put off by it. My thought was she was not willing to accept responsibility. She wants the out of any future troubles by being able to say she did not want the relationship having already rejected him. His asking again without any clear insult or reason for objection, she can always say accepting his offer was the proper and expected thing to do. Say yes Lizzy!
I've never watched this version of the film, but I read this book at least once a year. I disagree that it's a very "white" story. I'm African, and I identify with it very intensely. It's very human, and Jane Austen does a great job of telling a universally relatable story.
👌🏼🦋👌🏼🦋🌟 It is indeed a UNIVERSAL HUMAN story that touches the essence of us and that is what makes Jane Austen’s writing and perspectives so enduring and powerful… she reaches beyond any one condition and gets to the heart of human relationships.
That's not what they were referring to, they were referring to the prevalence of white actors. Even at the beginning they said that it was a story that anyone can relate to. Dah...
My favorite thing about the "long shot" of Darcy with the swelling piano, is that he is WALKING to her - he hears what his aunt did to Elizabeth, but instead of rushing off in a carriage or on his fastest horse and galloping to her like a prince ready to sweep her off her feet, he WALKS!!! He comes in on HER level, the girl who claims to love walking (when half the time she walks because she has to), he decides to enter the scene with such a simple but powerful gesture of love, on FOOT. He's also not all dressed up and high collared like usual, he wears a simple shirt and trousers, very casual, as if to say "I'm here as the man you have made me into". Beautiful.
@Aleah Longacre 6 months late, but just want to applaud your observation. This is what the comment section should be for movies. Interesting, intelligent observations, interactions, and conversation. Well done. Good form
"He comes in on HER level, the girl who claims to love walking (when half the time she walks because she has to), he decides to enter the scene with such a simple but powerful gesture of love, on FOOT." Lizzie isn't poor just because Darcy is ultra rich. "He's also not all dressed up and high collared like usual, he wears a simple shirt and trousers, very casual, as if to say "I'm here as the man you have made me into". Beautiful." With the standards of that particular era he's dressed as the equivalent of someone walking around in your garden in pjs. I don't quite see the allure of this kind of sappy pretence at romance but apparently a lot of people like it.
@nadybl Thank God... ... I mean... ... That's cool. You know. It's fine and all that... ***As I feel deep relief that I don't have to stick to my word*** haha. Actually, I don't hate Twilight. I saw it with a group of friends of guys and girls. Didn't love it, but didn't hate it. And never rushed to see it again. Honestly, the same with Titanic. It's just one of those things
@LA HA Na, you don't have to. You have all the information here: It works in Pride and prejudice, not in Twilight :-) Darcy and Edouard are two very different creatures.
@LA HA They mentioned this in their review of Twilight, that's why the comparison. Also, I sometime see Pride and Prejudice compare to the trope "bad boy turns good for love of woman" and it's not the case at all. The comparison to Twilight shows the difference.
That clap of thunder when Darcy mentions her father is brilliant! The one person she would never tolerate being criticized! Incredible touch by Joe Wright!
@william m. kydde I LOVE the classic. The book first, then the BBC version from the 80s, then the Colin Firth version. and I also love this one. I connect with it emotionally very well. It isn't about teaching to me, because I "know" the stuff and was a literature major in college. It's just... I LIKE this one better. That's what art is - a way of connecting with the emotions. So I don't think it's bad to have so many versions of this because emotionally people connect with whichever version they love most.
@CrispyLeaves true. The BBC version with Colin Firth has a much better interpretation of this scene from a historical perspective. I love this one though because I consider it more accessible to the current culture which does not comprehend the restrained emotions of that time.
@CJ I "like" it as they take an excellent and very profound book and "improve" it in their shallow way. Most of the novel is not even speech: thoughts, feelings, landscapes, and feelings and thoughts caused by the landscapes.
I love this movie, but one thing I think it failed to really convey from the book is when Elizabeth visits Darcy's grand manor with her aunt and uncle, it wasn't the wealth and splendor that contributed to her change of heart. It was the way his housekeeper spoke about him, and described how kind he was to all his servants and tenants.
exactly! the words seem muted by the music and the imaginary but that's the important part. Darcy always helps people without being asked to. Shows his good nature.
@Kimberly Sparkles Actually, that depends. Pride and Prejudice was written in the late 18th century and, I believe, finally published in the early 19th. Both the BBC series and the film are quite true to a time period, they just chose different ones, both fitting. There's an entire reaction video about the costumes and set of the movie and their historical accuracy, and I believe it ranked quite highly in accuracy for the late 18th century.
It’s naive to think she’s not swayed by the grandeur of Pemberly. Love in that time was in terms of economics. It’s a very modern interpretation to think she wasn’t impressed by his wealth.
Movie trivia: the scene in the rain was written FOR them. Kiera Knightley, uncommonly for Hollywood, was cast first, as so did the casting reads with the Darcy auditionees. Matthew comes in, and reads, and they do the scene almost exactly like this - even though it wasn't written that way. They get closer and closer, and even do that small lean in for the kiss at the end before realising and pulling away, and Joe Wright saw it and was like 'THAT'S IT'. And then adapted the scene from the original Collins' house (where it's set in the book) to be outside, in the rain, with the thunder, to punctuate the pure drama and chemistry the two actors created
I read somewhere that Matthew mcfayden is super nearsighted and so in the long shot when he's walking toward Elizabeth, Joe wright actually had to wave a giant red flag behind the camera to make sure he was walking towards the right place. And he still plays it SO WELL!!
What I love about Pride and Prejudice is that you truly can't tell who is Prideful and who is Prejudiced. They are both flawed yet that makes them perfect together
One of the things that makes Darcy such a good romantic character is that when Lizzie rejects him, he leaves it. He does not push her to change her mind or tell her why she is wrong to reject him. He writes to her to correct some inaccurate facts about him, but he clearly states the intent of his letter is not to renew his intentions towards her. Jane Austen knew where it was at.
@claripossum Let's try to get beyond that stereotypical thinking you yourself have just engaged in while imagining you were critiquing or rejecting it. Both men and women experience the effects of bonding hormones which are released during intimacy and which can make us all, female or male, develop an emotional attachment to someone we aren't compatible with.
I love the book and my husband and I listen to the audiobook several times a year and watch this movie a few times too. Yes there isn’t a complete faithful retelling but in general I believe they get the spirit of the characters and plot very well. To get any book distilled into under two hours is a tall order for any book let alone a classic!
THIS is where you see how great a friend he is! Helping his bestie "practicing" his proposal, posing as the lady, genuinely wanting to help... 😊 And the fact that the "lovely lady" has a "lovely barytone voice" is indeed hilarious! 😆
The way Darcy trips on the word, “love…” that and the hand wringing is so indicative of the shape of Darcy’s feelings for her. It’s such a tender and vulnerable side of him, something he would never show before meeting her.
I don’t know if this was intended, but some religions believe that saying something 3 times makes it more meaningful. Love the idea that saying he loves her once was not enough to convey his feelings for her!
15:30 I love how expressive Matthew is while still playing an impeccable Darcy. His reactions as he's seeing the parallels between his interference between Jane and Bingley and the rejection he's just gotten from Elizabeth is a masterwork of acting. Understanding that the same shyness that Jane was exhibiting is how he reacted to Elizabeth in the beginning and his interference is what has prevented his own engagement is heartbreaking to watch.
This is my favorite love story movie. Not only because it has well written characters, beautiful shots and a brilliant score. But because there is absolutely no sexual scene, not even a kissing scene. The hottest thing that happens is when Darcy helps Elizabeth into the carriage or when they almost kiss after their dispute in the rain. This movie shows that love is more then just physical attraction and i love it! Also you guys nailed it again. awesome video!
@Kharbachi Fouzia actually there are 2 versions: the UK and US version. not sure but Americans felt it was lacking in physical sense; hence in the US version, the last scene was the one with kisses. The UK one is her telling her dad.
It's when you can check the boxes of respect, admiration, that the person has self-reflection, can compromise and see things from another's perspective, is fair and charitable - all that, when you know you're truly safe - is, omg, when you get skyrockets.
there are kisses in the final scène It took me forever to notice it I always thought the last scène was when she was telling her dad bout darcy but there is a final scène after that...
I stumbled upon a take on this earlier today: Jane Austen really said: ‘I respect the “I can fix him" movement but that's just not me. He'll fix himself if he knows what's good for him' and that's why her works are still calling the shots today.
Fact: their family isn't actually considered "poor" by financial means. The contrast between Darcy/Bingleys' status vs Bennets' were social connections, which was as important as money back in the day. Sure, Bennets earn less but they're a respectable family.
Exactly, that’s why when the Aunt comes to visit Elizabeth. She says “He is a gentleman and I’m a gentleman’s daughter” the Aunt then says “Yes but who are your aunts, your uncles, you friends, etc” It was more about that Elizabeth didn’t know or wasn’t related to the “right” people.
They mentioned at the beginning of the movie, the silhouettes of Darcy and party in the dark, facing all this noise and life. What they didn't connect, was the shot when Lizzy accepted Darcy and they touch foreheads. They are in silhouettes together, but lit and full of life! They are finally on the same level of light and esteem. *I also think they should have addressed Lizzy's growth from the Wickham situation, where she learned the truth and adjusted her prejudice to see both Wickham and Darcy for who they really are.* This is also why when they are in the meadow, they have both equally grown for the better to meet and move forward on equal ground. **Also, when they each reveal their feelings for each other in a raw nature, they are in fact in nature itself in a raw form. The Gazebo was seemingly overtaken by nature, and they were drenched in rain. And in this, they are in a meadow covered in fog and sunlight. It's an opposite, showing where they are now from where they were. And each have touches of water, a connecting medium, in incense and more gentle circumstances. Joe Wright, the actors, cinematographers, composers, everyone who worked on this movie made perfectly, because they weren't aiming for perfection. They made it real.
I always thought that a good part of Darcy's pride was just introversion. The man doesn't like crowds of strangers, as seen by his behavior at the dances.
This was a choice made to modernize Darcy. It had to work for the movie due to its short run time. In the novel, Darcy is prideful. He looks down on the people at the gathering and several of their habits. He is really critical of Jane and her habits. To a much further extent. But she is too. Sometimes she purposefully offends him.
@KjA he is a different character in the 2005 version though. In the other versions and the book he just doesn't think it is worth it to talk to people- so he doesn't practice and is bad at it. In the 2005 movie he is shy, which is more Jane's character than Darcy's
In the novel and the BBC version he says to Lizzie, when she and his cousin are making fun of him for not dancing at the public ball, he says he is not as comfortable conversing with strangers as he would like to be. Lizzie just tells him he would be better if he practiced more. Which is why when later he meets her aunt and uncle he is really friendly- because he has been practicing- and Lizzie is shocked. He also thinks his pride is checked because he says that pride will always be under regulation when there is superiority of mind- which is a flawed and interesting argument because if you think your mind is superior then how will you check your pride?
Funnily enough one of my absolute favourite scene in this movie was when he helped Bingley with his proposal. I think it wasn't in the book but I find it absolutely adorable. The way he leans in playing Jane's part to help his friend's nerves. It's also like the first time we see them interact with eachother that actually sells me they are best friends and I loved it. I wanna see more friendships like this in cinema! 💳💥
The BBC version is truest to the book's tale of how wrong Lizzie gets it all. At one point she recognizes that when she is enlightened about the true characters of both Wickham and Darcy, that she hardly knew herself. She has been so certain; so wrong! And interestingly, Austen gives the truest observations to the person most often dismissed as the most ridiculous of the P & P characters: Mary! Austen was a freaking genius.
@A P Thank you. Yes, it seems to me that Mary was trying to get praise for something and always failed. 🙁 And even Lydia and Kitty were only acting as their mother had taught them to act, so you can see how they became "silly" as well.
@Furienna Yeah, I feel I'm a sort of Mary...She just tries to fit somewhere, but fails miserably. I think though that Jane Austen wanted to convey that Mary was a bit blind to recognise what her talents and flaws were and blind to other people's judgement as well..in a sense Mary was like her little sisters in that she tries to get attention, but by different means (intelectually, talent etc.)...In other words, she is still plagued by attention seeking behaviour. At least that's what I understood. But I don't condemn Mary...everyone has needs. It's just that Mary also lacked the social awareness of her older sisters that knew what was appropriate in society and what was not. Mary was stuck in between sisters - the middle child. Jane Austen was brilliant...
@MsJubjubbird Still, I see what we're supposed to think of as Mary being "silly" as her trying to be good at something and get some positive attention. But it never worked for her since even her parents and her sisters had already decided to look down on her no matter what she did. Perhaps you can say that she should have just calmed down and not tried so hard, but I know I made similar mistakes when I was younger. It is hard for some of us to be well-liked when we don't have the proper social skills to know when to stop.
@Furienna it's not that she's not pretty, though it would help her in the marriage market- though she isn't interested in marriage. Charlotte is plain but is not ridiculed. Caroline is plain but it is her attitude not her looks that are ridiculed. Austen was very critical of revering people only for their looks. It's that Mary takes herself way too seriously to the point where she makes a fool of herself- because she is not the star she thinks she is. She's almost a warning about what a severe lack of insight into one's faults can result in. Therefore Elizabeth should take care.
@MsJubjubbird The problem is that everyone in the story is prejudiced against Mary because she's not pretty and popular like her sisters are. So nobody is interested in what she says or what she feels since she's the least likely to get married and thus is just an inconvenient burden to her family. That is why Austen portrayed Mary so negatively and not because she really did something wrong. And if the Bennets had lived in a Catholic country, they would have sent Mary to a convent and allowed her to stop worrying about her position in life. But in the very Protestant society of Regency England, they had no room for a daughter who preferred to read books and discuss religion over flirting and dancing. She could have been a clergyman like Mr Collins if she had been a man, but it was of course not an option for a woman back then. So I must find her situation really sad...
I love how the title applies to both Lizzie and Darcy. They are both proud individuals whose prejudice via secondhand information blinds them to the others' true nature.
@Ptolémée Sélénion Darcy's mother is the daughter of an Earl, and Elizabeths mother is the daughter of a merchant, which means Darcy has more impressive relatives than Elizabeth, but society at that time cared a lot more about who your FATHER was, and both of their fathers were members of the GENTRY, which makes them equals in regards to "breeding". Also, if you think breeding actually matters, then you missed the whole point of the story...
@Ptolémée Sélénion Yes, he is. He owns a country estate and collects rents from the farmers who live on it, JUST LIKE MR BENNET. I'm trying to tell you they're BOTH part of the gentry, and I genuinely don't understand why that's not getting through to you.
Fact: during the scene where Darcy helps Elizabeth to into the carriage, the actor playing Darcy said that the reaction of his han shaking while he gets into the house was absolutely real!
That bit when Elizabeth stands up for Jane when Darcy misunderstands her! Every time it makes me feel like crying. I was shy & awkward when I was in my teens & often got misunderstood and my sister just thought I was pathetic. I love seeing loyal sibling dynamics onscreen now I'm older and not so bitter about it.
I love how much y'all consistently admire and give praise to the music in films. It really guides the audience on what emotion to have and even gives insight into the inner thoughts and feelings of the characters. Thank you for always giving shout outs to the composers for great music, even pausing at times to point out how great the soundtrack is.
I think that Macfadyen was right about Darcy and so that's why he was able to play him so well. Macfadyen said that much of Darcy's apparent pride and coldness was simply shyness. A shy but gorgeous man who is forced into prominence by his family's wealth which he now must be responsible for is not an easy role in movies or in real life. Darcy had some prejudice that had been drummed into him by his family, but it doesn't seem that was really his choice. The change in the movie came when both characters decided to throw off the expectations and prejudice of their society and find happiness for themselves. The change was a gradual one that came in stages throughout the movie so that everyone could watch it happening.
Wow I didn't know the actor said those - definitely nailed it. There's something I want to add to your comment though, I don't think Darcy's family injected any prejudice into him. I don't remember ever getting any negative impression of his family, I feel like they were really gentle and well-bred, so naturally Darcy must've been brought up the same way. Those good manners wouldn't allow them to sow prejudice in their son. But! Maybe after losing his parents, as a shy and gentle young man with people like Wickham in his circle, Darcy might've learned to be cautious, cynical, even jaded. And later with characters like Ms. Bingley around him, I imagine he would've been reminded often to look out for himself (because he was such a catch) and be more rational, practical, materialistic etc. I don't know if anyone will care but I really love talking about these matters!
I read the book differently though. Mr Darcy really believes that rightful pride has virtue. He was not shy nor awkward. But it can at a cost of being stiff and less able to let go and have fun.
My ex brother in law was shy like D'Arcy upon first meeting or in public. Once on his own turf he was great fun however. He was a bit autistic and was very bright. Very! As is Darcy . One of the reasons Darcy likes Lizzie is because she is smart and loves books. Such a good film.
Fun Fact: The novel was almost titled "First Impressions", which is very apt, since our first impressions of other people aren't always accurate, as is the case with Lizzie and Darcy.
But i like "Pride and Prejudice" better. It's so mind blowing when you realise the meaning of the title in the middle of reading the novel. Like an epiphany. If it was titled "First Impressions", half the story would be too obvious for me. Pride and prejudice is superior. Period.
I gotta say I love it when you continually trash talk Twilight because I remember when it came out (kind of alongside 50 shades of grey) and I was a budding music therapist thinking to myself “why is this type of love being romanticized and normalized?!” So I’m glad someone from a platform is finally calling this out and offering examples of healthy relationship patterns. 🎉
The rejected purposely scene is the best scene of the whole movie. They both are so vulnerable and just lay everything on the table and it’s an emotional roller coaster and it’s the best 😂
The "zoom lens sort of creeping in and out", in my opinion, emulates breathing through the intensity of the moment. The revelation of actions, the welling of emotion, the truth in expression...all heightened by that small lens adjustment. 💕✨ Genius. I love the decision to use the rich warm earthy color palette. Her relationship with her father is a hearthstone upon which she can stand as she investigates relating to suitors, especially Mr. Darcy. 💕✨👍🏻 ...AND...you quote from Mr. Collins' sermon which is SO relevant to Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth's sodden encounter at the Temple of Apollo! 🔥👍🏻⚡️
i do think that darcy changes, but i also think that our perception of him changes even more than he does. i think he was always a man of integrity, but because he was so consciously dedicated to doing the right/proper thing, he thought he was always right and didn't realized his views of things could be drastically off. i think it says something to his true gentle nature (as we see he always had with his sister), that he realizes he was wrong and corrects his mistakes. he doesn't go rigid and defensive, and just ignore everything and block out differing voices. he has a gentle/kind core that realizes he was wrong and he has the integrity to fix it. those are qualities that any person, man or woman, can aspire to have. EDIT: i wrote this at 28:56 in the video, and then just watched the rest and they said exactly what i wanted to say, but better lmao.... ("Darcy evolves, and that's why it works." "And both of [their] perceptions of each other evolve. Darcy changes, but it's not a huge change." "He has the same values at the beginning and at the end, what he drops is 'My perspective is the right perspective. Period.'".)
"But one word from you will silence me forever." Fitzwilliam Darcy is the perfect example of maintaining your position of how you feel in moments of emotional vulnerability, but still remaining respectful of their own feelings as well. His and Lizzie's individual growth make their relationship so compelling and lovely.
@Olivia Mackenzie Yeah. He was an ass, which is why she rejected him. He had some more growing to do and over time she saw that he had changed. Of course she had to grow as well and learn to not judge people based on first impressions.
@C K did you even read the book? Funny way of wooing her insulting her family and her background. And the whole point of his character arc is learning to become less selfish and seeing people below him in terms of class as his equals.
@Olivia Mackenzie He read her facial expressions, body language, and her silence appropriately and correctly. He wasn't "dumping" on her. He was wooing her. Ever been wooed by a suitor before?? She can reject him just as easily after he expresses his affection as she could before, but she chose not to because she WANTS to be with him. Learn to read silence.
It's different from Twilight because while Elizabeth, like Bella, has an attraction towards Darcy, she never loses her sense of reason. She realizes she likes and loathes him and knows that as long as she loathes, him being with him is impossible. Elizabeth is a prime example of staying true to oneself and not completely losing it over the tiniest hint of attraction to another person.
I love how they both self reflect and correct their ways. Especially Mr. Darcy, in the end they both realize that they are very much alike. One of my favorite books and this is my favorite film version.
This is my favorite character development for a man. “I will make myself a better man, because I want to be a better man. If the woman I love then decides to be with me, great, but I will be better regardless.”
One of my favourite moments in the whole book is the scene where Elizabeth visits Mr. Darcy's manor-and it's not the grandeur or the wealth of the place that sticks out to her, but the way that he's used his money to take care of both the place and the people. She talks to the people that work under him, and they all genuinely seem to care for him (and all don't speak so highly of Mr. Wickham!). I think it's the point where the attraction and the pull she has been pushing away really turns into love. Especially when you consider how it contrasts to her own family. With her mother and her "well if I just marry them off to ANYBODY, the family will be saved!" kind of attitude, that doesn't care at all for her own personal happiness in a life-partner/husband (which, though not entirely unexpected for the time, a key defining feature of Elizabeth is that she wants to be lastingly happy in a relationship-marrying a man like Mr. Collins would be very destructive to her). Or add her father's "I won't inconvenience myself to help or protect you-and I'll point and laugh at each of you while you're suffering" kind of distance from them into the mix, even if he likes and favours Elizabeth and Jane. To see Mr. Darcy, who has everything, and doesn't technically need to look after everything as well as he does (unlike her father), but does it anyway... he's a nurturer (unlike her mother), and like Elizabeth, he's willing to take the step back and reflect on his wrongdoings (unlike a lot of her family), and those are both great sources of the widespread appeal and attraction to him, I think.
I always really loved how Darcy’s evolution is directly and explicitly represented in his clothing. The more he warms up to Elizabeth the looser his collar is and he is more exposed, literally.
@Jaded Kate actually historically the clothing in the BBC adaption is much more accurate. High necked linnen shirt with tied ribbon etc. I do partly not know the proper englisch names for them. But the bbc version nailed the clothing department. But compared to the movie, those clothes look stiff and old-fashioned. Thats probably why they took some liberties, to please our modern eyes.
True (all though strictly speaking, at that time, no one would have left their house looking like that - concession to modern times). So they took quite some liberties with historical clothing.
I disagree - I think it could have been toned down a lot. Given all that Mr B went through with Lydia, I don't think he'd be questioning whether Lizzy should marry Darcy after they both parading about the countryside so undressed!
It wasn't just Darcy that needed to change Elizabeth needed to change as well. They both had pride and prejudices and needed to learn to work past them. They also both thought they had both lost their chance of being together, but it didn't stop them from growing and changing. Together or not they still needed to improve themselves.
I also feel that Wickham is a good example of a villain...he's not some unbelievable, crackling villain...he's a shifty dude who just takes advantage of every situation he finds himself in. I love the spin-off novel #WickhamsSecondAttempt, as it is very true to his character in that sense.
Please, please, pleeeeaaaase react to Jane Austen's Emma... I don't care about which version you are reacting to, I just love the story and the comedic twist in it so so much. Please consider it, I would be so delighted to view all this relationships from a therapeutic perspective. 😊
I do have a lot of appreciation for Jane Austen as an author even though her genre isn't really my cup of tea. But I especially love how sharp and witty her writing is, as shown with Elizabeth.
What she's actually writing is social commentary and I think if you reread or listen to the audiobooks with the idea that she's commenting on how the Society of her time works. And especially in like Northanger Abbey where she's making fun of the gothic novel. If you read them with the understanding of what she's making fun of I think you will like it better if you are not thinking of them this romance's cuz they're not. You might want to check out Dr Octavia Cox she is a doctor of literature she's super intelligent. she covers basically all aspects of Pride and Prejudice and a lot of Jane Austen's other work as well as well as reading some stories that Jane Austin wrote as a child that influence her later work it is really interesting. I think if you look at the stories as a puzzle box of her commenting about her time you'll enjoy it more. Because once you get how sarcastic and kind of mean spirited she can be it's so much more entertaining than thinking of it as being part of the modern romance genre.
I love Darcy's little eye twitch when he realised Elizabeth heard what he said about barely being tolerable. Great moment. You can just see the internal screaming.
One of the things that I really like about the relationship between Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy is that after he gives her a backhanded compliment, she turns around and just dishes it right at him. She is the queen of snark in this movie.
“Speaking whatever you’re thinking isn’t a virtue if what you’re thinking needs to be checked.” I have tried to explain that before but just couldn’t find the right words. So glad you said this.
I loved this film since it came out in 2005, and I love that sooo many essays can be written analyzing the masterpiece of storytelling in this film. Everytime, I see something new upon rewatching. CASE IN POINT!! 27:13 when he says Keira is just pondering, "doing nothing" I realize it's very similar to how ghibli films include moments of stillness, reflection, and time passing to let the characters and audience breathe together. And bc Joe Wright included those moments (lizzie on the swing, lizzie walking across fields, lizzie on a cliff), it grounds the film in an "everyday" relatability, and shows snippets of her on her growth journey. Miyazaki said including 'mundane' moments, like a long wait for a bus, are important bc it is the space between actions that allow us time to contemplate and decompress. I think that's part of what makes this 2005 adaptation so well made and unique; it includes those moments of (in japanese) "ma" in a western film- the space between, the contemplative pauses.
I must admit I haven't watched this version of P & P before. I am a diehard fan of the older BBC series with Jennifer Ehle as Elizabeth and Colin Firth as Mr Darcy. Colin made such a spectacular Mr Darcy, it was impossible not to fall in love with him. Especially the way he said the line (that doesn't appear to be in this newer version?) “You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you". Not only does Mr Darcy love Elizabeth, its so clear he really values and appreciates her for her mind and spirit, not only her looks. Something that's lost in romances made today, oftentimes. I enjoyed your video! :-)
Fitzwilliam Darcy is an ideal man: he listened, took no for an answer, helped not expecting gratitude, and all his faults real or percived, has never made him malicious.
@The Red Cat That's the point :) You had a prejudice against him because you misunderstood him. THAT was exactly what Jane Austin was attempting to do. Personally, I adore Mr. Darcy.
@angel whispers This is absolutely BRILLIANT understanding , and shows why Pride and Prejudice is still a classic that speaks to people in any time or culture. Well said! 🥰
So I have always felt her full rejection of him when he proposed was because of her protective nature over her sister. And when they meet in the meadow, he tells her to say the word and he’ll forever leave. She does not say the word. For the first time, she makes intentional contact with him and comments on his well being. This was her way of showing she cares for him. It’s so beautiful and simple. The dance scene will forever be my favorite due to the continuous shot. It was so intense and perfect.
I LOVE having Megan Seawright on the episode -- she adds such a perfect energy and insight and chemistry with these guys. Please, please, please can we have more of her. What a wonderful trio.
I'm so glad that you did this and that you pointed out so clearly why Elizabeth and Darcy's relationship works and is healthy and why Edward and Bella's is not. Another reason why this works, and Edward and Bella doesn't, is because Darcy never lies to Elizabeth, or keeps information from her to "protect" her. Darcy actually does the opposite, and completely honest with her about his feelings and the perceived obstacles to their relationship. Edward constantly hides things from Bella and outright lies to her about stuff, saying he wants to protect her, and it usually ends up being more dangerous for Bella than if he had just been honest. Now, you could argue that Darcy hid information from Elizabeth by not telling her what he did for Lydia and Jane, but I would say that first, Darcy wasn't physically around Elizabeth, and in the right situation to tell her. And in Lydia's case, it was the duty of Lydia's relatives to make the situation right and restore, at least partly, the family's honor. Darcy could not make public the fact that he helped without making Elizabeth's father and uncle incapable and incompetent. Darcy had to keep his actions secret so he could help them and it still look like the father and uncle did their duty. The Bennetts would likely have faced public humiliation if Darcy's help was known. And, he's not hiding this stuff to "protect" her. He's keeping it secret to because he's just trying to do the right thing, not win her love.
I was nervous to watch this at first because I thought you were going to tear my favorite movie apart! Haha! But I should have trusted in how well done this movie was in that you would have loved it too. This is a movie I feel gets deeper and deeper the more I watch it, there is so many little details that make this movie absolutely perfect and adds to the story line!
I liked the movie, but my favourite is the BBC series with Colin Frith and Jennifer Ehle. It is the closest to the book and the scene where he stares at her when his sister is playing the piano, is soooo intense. It also seems to be the realisation of their feelings for them both.
Lizzie was confident and had a sense of self-worth. She was a fully formed person before and after Darcy, but both were made better by their relationship, and through a willingness to admit wrongdoings and embrace change. Bella had none of those things, and neither Twilight character experienced any real growth.
@Madama Belladonna this is so funny 😂, " nothing Can excuse her" did she stab them with a fork ?! IS she obligated to talk to those douchebags and the girl who abselotly hated her but stuck around her because she was popular ? Lol it's the idiocy that i expected ! How was she condescending ?? She was far nice to them than she should ! Those guys are literal predators, in New Moon she got out of weeks of depression and the first thing Mike does is Ask her out 🤦.. like she was Ready to have a new boyfriend.. none of them Care about her but she is obligated to talk to Them.. OMG.. This is a literal hatred dumb cult 🤦 Edward didn't control bella's life, he objected to her turning into a vampire, he also wanted her to stop speculating About his " Supernatural secret" because his family threatened to kill her if she doesn't stop asking ! How did this get translated into control and abuse?? Ow that's right, everything Gets misinterpreted in this serie because people want to hate it so much.. yea you people are bull s**t , get a life,
@Teresa Carle thank you for the lovely comment..totally agree with.. especially when you Saïd that Twilight is nothing like pride and prejudice, why IS it braught up in every romantic story réaction ? Because people just like to hâte it 🤦
@Madama Belladonna you taged Mona but i think your comment was for me, so i'll respond to you, Edward came from a different time where he believes that becoming a vampire makes you "lose your soul", saying that he " Never listened to her" is abselotly ridiculous, they talked about everything and he listened to her about everything, he just didn't want her to be transformed into a vampire at the age of 17 ! And He was abselotly right ! She was too young to be making this decision, because her body will change and there is no turning back ! Personaly i feel so different now that i am above 25 from what i felt when i was 17, the choices that i Make now are very different, so i agree with him, Secondly, Bella was definetly Shy and introverted, if you don't relate to her that's fine, but this doesn't mean that you Can bé disrespectfull towards people who are like her, she struggles with social anxiety like lots of us.. so stop being so insulting.. As for bella's " Friends" , these Friends are basicaly 3 guys who asked her out in one day , not because they liked her but because she was the New " shiny toy", it was disgusting, they had no Idea who she was and they created this secret bet between them to : " see who Gets to take her out " , none of them cared About her, there is also Jessica who abselotly hated her because she was getting all the attention, there was only the other nice girl wearing glasses, but even she avoided her and just kind of stuck with her old Friends, so i don't blame Bella for staying away from all of them, they were Never Real " Friends",the only people who knew Bella in that town were Edward, Jacob and the cullens, so yea she was right, and you are just a biased obsessed person who joined the Twilight hatred cult !
Okay y'all, first of all, great video and so happy You guys finally got to this movie! :D And second, seeing You guys watch this made Me realize, "Emma" 2020 would be an AMAZING video to see from You guys!! It has countless amazing filmaking nerd out moments and I fell like it could offer interesting insights on narcissism, Friendships and much more. Keep up the good work!! Love y'all!! :D
I love love love love love this so much. I really hoped I would've seen you guys react to how Darcy stretched his hand after holding Lizzy's. It was heartwarming and small but so relatable, I do it after I hold hands with a crush and it's such simple body language, such a non-verbal confession. I enjoyed their body language so much. Darcy is so awkward to me, a spectacular introvert who was adopted by his extroverted redhead bestie who he'd do anything to keep him safe. Though I definitely feel like past experiences with that gold digger (his name leaves my mind in a blink) lead him to mistrust 'love' very heavily, especially when it comes with class. He is so clearly shown as a product of his upbringing so well that it's intriguing
I can't adress enough how much I love this story, in the book and this movie. The first time I watched it I thought: "this is the most romantic movie ever" and then I realized that they don't share even one small kiss througout the whole thing (unless you watch the extended version) other than that little one at the end, when Lizzie kisses Darcy's hand, it's so wholesom, I was amaze by that and it made me think that love is so much more! When Darcy "proposes" the first time you can see how unsettled he was to be rejected, obviously that hasn't happen before, then she points that he ruined her sister's happiness and he accepts it, he can even keep composure after ranting about Lizzie's family and seein how angry she was, but the minute she starts to ask about Wickham he loses his composure and comes towards her, they get so mad! The tension of this moment is epic and then he leans just a little bit, you can see that he is dying to kiss her and she kind of wants to be kissed too, but then he stops, apologizes, turns around and leave and she is left there wanting more! There are two things that, to me, are what makes this one of my top three favorite stories ever. One is the realization that people can choose to become a better person and not to please someone else, but because they look at themselves and they didn't like what they saw. And the fact that that was wrapped up in the most beautiful love story ever just makes it perfect. The other thing that I absolutely adore about this story is the love that Mr. Bennet has for Lizzie. Obviously, her mom didn't had her in high steem, she didn't show any care for Lizzie, if it weren't for her dad, her mom would have made Lizzie marry Mr. Collins. That last scene when she starts to say to her dad how stubborn she and Darcy were and how similar they really are, with her shinning eyes and that smile, the amazing Donald Sutherland looks at her and starts laughing and crying at the same time, so happy for her, it never fails to make me cry. As a woman that grew up without her father because he chose to leave, seeing how he reacts to her beloved daughter well deserved happiness makes me feel so full of love, it is so beautiful, I just love it so much! The second proposal just makes me want to go wander to a beautiful meadow just hoping that I would find a Mr. Darcy walking slowly towards me... I better go and watch the movie again...
Your description of the first proposal is one of the many reasons that I really dislike this movie adaptation. To take one of the most important scenes in the entire story and completely change what is going on in it to such an extent shows either a complete lack of understanding or a complete lack of respect for the source material. "The tension of this moment is epic and then he leans just a little bit, you can see that he is dying to kiss her and she kind of wants to be kissed too, but then he stops, apologizes, turns around and leave and she is left there wanting more!" You describe the movie scene perfectly, but nothing of this happens in the book. There is nothing in the description of the scene in the book that suggests anything even remotely like Darcy wanting to kiss Lizzie here, much less him dying to kiss her. His feelings are described in terms of him hearing her answer with "no less resentment than surprise" after which "his complexion became pale with anger". He continues to pass through a range of emotions, all of them in the negative, and the last we're told about them is that he looks at Lizzie in astonishment, "with an expression mingled incredulity and mortification". And _Lizzie's_ feelings at this point are described over and over again as nothing but negative. Her "deeply-rooted dislike" is mentioned and how she "lost all compassion in anger" as he yammered on about her connections. How his certainty of a favourable reply could only "exasperate farther" and she flat out states "Had not my own feelings decided against you - had they been indifferent, or had they even been favourable, do you think any consideration would tempt me to accept the man who has been the means of ruining, perhaps forever, the happiness of a most beloved sister?" Towards the end of their conversation "Elizabeth felt herself growing more angry every moment. There is nothing in this text - not the teensiest little term - that even remotely suggests that the "adaptation" the movie makers have decided to go with has any place here. They have done so purely because it satisfied their own ideas of what would be a better dramatic flair and to me it shows an enormous disrespect both towards Austen's skills as a writer and towards their intended demographic, whom they obviously don't trust to be intelligent enough to be able to appreciate a movie with any sort of romantic plot line without turning it into a tiresome run of the mill "they're only arguing because they want each other so badly - ah, let's not forget to make them both wet in this scene, people being wet make them so much sexier!" mess.
What's powerful about this story is it's not just Darcy that changes - Lizzie does too. They both had to grow and mature before their relationship could become a reality. Darcy had to work to overcome his prejudice - to realize the error of his previous actions and go to lengths to correct them. But Lizzie also had to overcome her pride and learn humility -- to learn that she could also be wrong (about Wickham, about who Darcy really was). By the time the story ends they're both more mature and have both learned from the errors of their ways to ultimately become better versions of themselves.
Charlotte tried to tell Elizabeth that Jane needed to make her feelings more clear to Charles kzclip.org/video/r5cqa9V0mUo/бейне.html. She even had inklings that Lizzie really like Darcy. Not many people pay attention to Charlotte's dialogue with it's advisements in the movie. Lizzie also saw how her family behaved at the dance, so she new Darcy's comments were true. That's why she brought up Mr. Wickham. That cut him. Man I love this movie.
I hope most readers/viewers get that Darcy isn't a "bad boy." Wickham is the really dangerous one. Darcy is mainly awkward and very much a product of his time and class. Matching up with a seeming "bad boy" works mainly because he's got a heart of gold under the prickly exterior. There's enough evidence throughout the story that Darcy was really a caring guy the entire time, but had his judgment clouded by various factors.
So accurate! I remember hearing someone refer to Mr. Darcy as a bad boy, and I went through the entirety or this movie, the BBC version, and the book, trying to find what could’ve made them think that.
@Two Finger Jack Mr. Bennet wasn't a great father. Yes, he helped Elizabeth out but he didn't make sure that his wife and children would be okay. He didn't try to set funds aside for his wife, didn't lead the family, and did not protect them from their selves and others, which was really important at the time. He also didn't set up dowries befitting his daughter's status.
Tbh, in the book and the movie, he came off as so incredibly awkward to me, like he has not really interacted with people on a casual level and is literally just stumbling through grasping his teachings and pulling them close to his heart like armour, because he knows that if he allows any to take advantage of him, just how dangerous it could get for him and the people he cared for. Honestly, I loved him the first time I met him in the book, because of his potential for change, because for all of his quick attacks while talking to Lizzy, he learned, because when one learns something so different from their norm, they start to compare and become confused by it and the confusion breeds the need for comprehension and he really didn't disappoint. No lie, I wanted to rugby tackle him at times though
Who saw Mr. Darcy as a bad boy? No, he's a snooty asshole if you're gonna give him negative characteristics. He's never ever a bad guy. Even with breaking up Jane and Bingley, he was doing that to protect his bro and was spurred on bigtime by Mrs. Bennet being a weirdo
It's clear that Mr. Darcy had a loving childhood and was able to see her as a person. A lesser man would have done the things for her (remember he Knew Wickhams true character already) and expected her to fall all over him for it in "repayment". Mr Darcy revealed his actions humbly and said "if your feelings haven't changed, so be it and I'll be on my way". He did all the things in the background that took a lot of effort, time and money, AND THEN he laid no expectations on her. This is the true opposite of pridefulness, and shows his true goodness. What was it about Wickham's life vs Darcy 's that made him turn out to be a serial offender and Darcy able to actually humble himself and change? Darcy and Wickham are like examples of manhood. Men, don't be like Wickham. Be like Darcy or Mr Bennett: intelligent, loving, able to see the good in a person, and able to change their mind or ways.
A truly underrated side plot of P&P is how to get beyond the shame you have about your family. Both Darcy and Elizabeth had to grow into their independent characters enough to break their family patterns but not all their family relationships.
Love their friction. Elizabeth didn’t have the social capital but was true to herself and discerning. Took a little growing up to understand and appreciate Darcy’s love expression.
I’m really happy you guys made a video on this movie! You put so many of my thoughts into words. It doesn’t feel like there are many people who appreciate this movie. When I say it’s one of my favorites, I feel like people think it’s because of the sappy romance, but it’s so much more than that. This is a cinematic masterpiece that captures so much meaning in silent moments
As someone who is hard of hearing and watches almost everything with closed captioning on, I have to say, I find the CC on your videos more hysterical than the conversation. Thank you for 1) having a riotous sense of humor, 2) remembering differently-abled people, and 3) not relying on auto generated CC.
YES! Also I was flashing back to watching this film in the theater the first time where the sound system was not up to the dynamics on the soundtracks and the whole proposal scene was UNHEARABLE because of the rain and the long shot of Darcy walking across the field was just a BOMBAST of piano that made me want to claw my face...They should have put subtitles on the MOVIE just like cinema therapy!
These captions with the Error messages were especially magnificent, but my favorite consistent element of the Cinema Therapy closed captions is when Jono and Alan speak in unison, and the CC designating who’s speaking says [Internet Dads]: 🤣 That always gets me!
I know a majority of Jane Austen fans prefer the BBC version with Colin Firth because it is more faithful to the text. But I have ALWAYS preferred this version, because I feel like it's more faithful to the emotion and tone of the novel. The little details, like the dirt on Elizabeth's hem after walking to see her ill sister, just make this feel more real in a way that the BBC version doesn't. Though not in a romantic relationship, I also have my own story where I was Darcy. In college, I was taking a class about Jane Austen adaptations and we were assigned a group project. The first thing I said to one of the people assigned to my group was, "I hate group projects." We met after class one day to work on the project and she stayed later to hang out for a bit. As she was leaving, she asked for my phone number and I told her she could find me on Facebook before shutting the door in her face. She's somehow now my best friend. (I wasn't trying to be awful, I was just very shy and panicked.)
This version is not true to the character description in the novel, Mr Darcy is not clumsy and insecure. She is supposed to be charming and witty. Give me the BBC'S version it's so much better.
Excellent response, in every respect. When this movie came out, I was keen to see it because I thought it might give me a quick version of the story for times when I don't have sufficient time for the 1995 BBC series. Well, sadly for me, all I could think when it was over was "Well, that's two hours if my life I'll never get back". My daughter had the DVD and I did try to watch it again, which I did a few times, but I usually got only so far before turning it off in disgust. Darcy was full, Lizzy giggled to much and Bingley's a dolt. The Bennet's were the major family in the area, not grubby farmers with a pug roaming through the house! I've seen the atrocious American ending too, which is truly vomit-inducing. It's only saving graces are the music, the scenery and that if it introduces younger people to the genius of Jane Austen that is a good thing.
Uh, Lizzie absolutely has dirt in the hem of her skirt in the BBC series, it's shown quite prominently. You might want to rewatch it before making such claims lmao
"The little details, like the dirt on Elizabeth's hem after walking to see her ill sister, just make this feel more real in a way that the BBC version doesn't." There is plenty of dirt on Lizzie's hem in the BBC version. The scene where she's walking to Netherfield shows her feet slipping underneath her as she walks on the muddy pathway. And I would actually argue that the reason I love the mini series and next to abhor the 2005 movie version is that the movie conveys almost nothing of the feeling of the book. All the drama that the colour palette and the movie score lays on thick has nothing to do with the tone of the book. And just Cinema Therapy pointing out how parts of the first proposal is literally emphasised by thunder(!) makes it very obvious how ridiculously over the top this adaptation is. Not to mention the ridiculousness of having both Lizzie and Darcy be dripping wet. What is this - a harlequin novel? There are so many other things throughout the adaptation that is just pure ridiculousness and only demonstrates that the movie makers neither understand nor respect the source material. Like having Lady Catherine show up as the Bennet's in the middle of the night - what on earth was that even about? And the nail in the coffin for me was when they actually phrase poor Darcy's second proposal almost exactly like Gene Kelly's comedic line in Singing in the Rain; "and I love, I love... love you." I never know whether to laugh or cry at it but I'm always taken aback by the fact that no one in the production team seemed to have noticed the similarity to the "I love you, I love you, I love you, looooove you" in Singing in the Rain, which was followed by the audience laughing furiously and one man asking "Did somebody get paid for writing that dialogue?" I think the movie is pretty enough - it has high production values for sure - but for me it conveys pretty much nothing of the book. It feels as is the creators wanted to make a Bronte adaptation but decided to use Austen's work for it due to the popularity of Pride and Prejudice giving them more free publicity.
it's really sweet watching two men get swept up in romance. this stuff is so ubiquitous in a girl's life, a woman's life. even if we don't want to consume romance, the world shoves it upon us. it's like they are discovering how thrilling romance can be for the first time as grown ass men and all the women are like, yeah we know! it's awesome! 😆
You guys, what a beautiful commentary on a lovely film. I’ve never come across your channel before, but you have earned a new subscriber. Love your analysis and conversation, great chemistry between you.
This film was my first introduction to Jane Austin in any medium. Me and my sister watched it many times and still quote it to each other. Its not my favorite adaptation anymore *cough* 1995 *cough* and it's not the most faithful adaptation, but it is absolutely beautiful and fun and the music is to die for. Thank you guys for going over this one and Elizabeth and Darcy's relationship!
And to think, that sunrise between them, perfectly framed, wasn’t planned. There’s so many genius moments since Wright just set things up and let organic moments happen and the movie is magic thanks to it.
@PRIM Moore That's *absolutely* the feeling that they're trying to convey with the way the scene goes, I think it just wasn't originally planned to be shot like that and the changed their minds about it during shooting is what they're saying :)
@PRIM Moore that was always my take, too. The cinematic version of “they only had eyes for each other.” It’s actually very cool to know it wasn’t at all intentional. It’s such a strong moment!
I read somewhere that the iconic hand flex wasn t scipted too it was Matthews own move and the director zoomed it and put it in the scene also the three (l love u s)are Matthews idea😊l just LOVE him
LOVED having Megan join for this one!! This is one of my favorite stories and the way you broke it down was so good. Also, side note, I don't know who does your captions but it's really rare as someone who's HoH to find captions that ADD so much to the viewing experience!! Thank you for making accessibility a priority! You guys rock
I love this story so much and this movie was so beautifully produced down to the choreography, the framing, just all the things. Absolutely beautiful. ❤️ In addition re Twiglets - Edward Cullen is #oldwhitedudes to the extreme of #VERYoldwhitedudes
I’m happy you mentioned the score because it’s one of my favorite things about the movie. The piece Liz On Top of the World is so gorgeous and always makes me feel like I’m right on that ledge with Elizabeth. Great video as always.
The palette thing is similar to how paintings in the era look to us. It looks so dreamy and vibrant and colorful. The whole film looks like it could be a painting.
Would love to see your reaction to ‘While You Were Sleeping’. The thirst for family and intimacy really can get us into not so great and honorable situations.
I love Lizzie's expression as she walks away after the "Barely tolerable" retort because, up until that point, she only seems happy and unaffected by the opinions of others and her sad expression tells me that in truth, she was hurt. Not just "he wounded my pride" but that his comment actually hit a vulnerable spot for her. after all, she has been compared to her older sister who is seen as the most beautiful sister and for Darcy to compliment her sister and insult her in the same breath had to hurt immensely. Her mother can say those things and she forgives her because she knows that her mother loves her and doesn't mean anything by it, but for it to come from Darcy... It was more than just wounded pride. Also, I think she expected her throwing the comment back to relieve the sting of his words. I know that when someone hurts my feelings and I lash out back, I expect to feel vindicated. but if I do, it only lasts a second or two and then the hurt comes back and I feel it even more deeply because my one weapon against it has proved insufficient and now I am defenseless.
Well said I dare say I share the same feelings in other words we don't spout low blows on others eventhough the say it to us . We are better than that😌💅
What a fantastic articulation of that scene. Legitimately agree with those aspects, particularly the expectation of vindication from hurling words back at a person when hurt.
"I know that when someone hurts my feelings and I lash out back, I expect to feel vindicated. but if I do, it only lasts a second or two and then the hurt comes back and I feel it even more deeply because my one weapon against it has proved insufficient and now I am defenseless." I feel this so hard
After just having seen the Notebook review (which I agree on - terrible toxic "love"story), I must say I am mildly amused at how highly the regarded the "they are both wet" scene is in comparison and THE SWANS are picked out as a positive example for cinematography.
This is my favorite version of Pride & Prejudice. I'm so happy you reviewed this. And you were on the spot. The cinematography and the environments they shot in - Jeez Christmas it was wonderful. The clothing is just beautiful and at times so natural to the time! And the ACTING!! MY GOD! I bought this film on Prime Video so I can watch it whenever I want 😍
My family and I were actually discussing a mere week ago how this story works, how we can go from being so off-put by Darcy to loving him and seeing him as a golden soul, while other stories seem to try the same and merely paint them as abusive. I’m going to be rewatching this and thinking very hard about it all, it’s a fantastic masterpiece of storytelling! Thank you for your analysis!!
At 6:49. LOL. I had the same reaction to the novel. Not the first time, though. The first time I read this novel was when I was an immature, callow, science-obsessed 17-year-old geek in AP English class in high school. I found it utterly boring, and couldn't figure out the point to it. Then I read it again in my late 30s, and--wow!--I was gobsmacked that this was written 200 years ago. This novel is so modern and, frankly, so "miss nasty," with such scathing sarcasm, wit and word play. I also had context to the gossip, since by my late 30s I had gossiped with so many of my friends about romantic relationships, marriages and money. I got it. I really got it. This life experience of adulting made the novel a million times better.
I've only seen Pride and Prejudice recently and I loved it so much. It instantly became not just my favorite falling in love story but also my favorite enemies to lovers story. I'm glad to see it covered by you.
Keira's indignation is an absolute force in every bit of acting she's ever done and I loooove it. When I read Twilight, before seeing it, I genuinely thought the author intended it as authentic horror drawing comparison between teenage "love" and vampirism and I thought it was fantastic. The face I made when I found out how very VERY wrong I was: 😬😬😬
Truly, I thought I was the only person who hated "Twilight". I can't believe it but you made me love "Pride and Prejudice" even more! Talk about about a woman with mad game! I adored how she stood up for her family and how deeply she respected her father. The snappy dialogue and the fact she doesn't care if Mr. Money Bags is offended has always made this story a winner for me. Such tender confessions but no complete engagement is done until Elizabeth clears Darcy with her father - that's my true 'ahhhh' moment. The fact that you two softies love this, I'm not amazed. I greatly enjoyed Megan's input. Great entry.
@Fidele TAMO excuse me, but Elizabeth also always thinks she is smarter and better than everyone, so they are pretty equal in their pride. Plus we are talking about a made up character, you know that right?
The perfect man who would insult your family and yourself for being poor, while asking you to marry him? Lol, he's a good Guy but his arrogance is just unbearable..
There are three things I love most about Darcy and Lizzie's relationship: respect, honesty and love of each other's intellect. They are honest about the hurtful things the other does, but also accept that they do hurtful things themselves and BOTH try to fix it. They love to have deep conversations, and even when Lizzie is disgusted and infuriated with Darcy, they have to be torn away from their discussions. They respect each other's right to say no, to stay away, to their own opinions and desires. Each grows from the other and supports the other without needing to gain anything from it. Yet it isn't complete independence either; they still are sad they aren't together, still long for the other, still think of each other consistently. THIS is actual love. It isn't grasping. It isn't simping. It's slow and it's deep and truly giving. And often as not, sad, particularly when the people in love aren't mature enough yet to know how to love well. I'm glad it included the sadness in a quiet way, as yes, there is often a lot of crying when you lose what you love, especially when it's looking back; but also, longer term, a quiet sense of deep loss. It's like a light has gone out. Oddly, as that light goes out, others often turn on; being loved and loving leads to learning to love yourself. So it starts as this dark room where they care about shallow things that don't really matter; then the one light turns on, full of love for another person; then all the rest turn on, full of love for oneself and real love for the others in life. But if the person you loved is gone, that first bright corner is now dark, with little bright spots where memories shine. Ahhh, too much. I'm glad Darcy and Lizzie got their happy ending and the way they got there, full of growth!!
I sincerely doubt you will given you've covered this version, but I'd LOVE to see your guys' take on Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. The added element of matched *physical* fighting during the proposal, and the fact there's a muuuuch bigger priority throughout the film's background, just kind of really adds something to Darcy and Elizabeth's dynamic. Plus, it's hilarious. 😂
Mr Bennet is my favorite character, he only immerses himself in paramount matters that affect the family. He only speaks when required and doesn’t involve himself in frivolity.
Interesting take. In the book I think he is very flawed - he is bitter and takes a hands off approach that leaves his family open to ridicule and ruin. I don't care for him at all! I do think the movie makes him a more sympathetic character though.
"why does it work for them and not for twilight" it's just so funny how twilight has become the example of what not to do in a relationship in comparison to every other movie!
Pride and Prejudice accomplishes something soooo many rom-coms can't: making us feel her suspense. Back then, there was literally no mechanism for a woman to propose to a man. Having rejected him, she has little choice but to suffer with the growing realization that she loves him but has blown it. (Jane warns her about this when she says, "One of these days, Lizzie, something will catch your eye and then you'll have to watch your tongue." The scene when she says, "Jane, I've been so blind" you can feel her misery.
At Darcy's first proposal scene, when they've finished their spat, and Darcy leans in a bit - wanting to kiss her... and he sees that she's also leaning in too, but still stops; apologises, and then backs away. It speaks loudly about Darcy's character and morals. Lizzy made it very clear seconds before that she didn't want him, and instead of doing what he wanted to do anyway (like many rom films), Darcy showed that he listened to her, took what she said seriously and respected her - and her decisions. Honestly, one of my favourite moments!
@Muriel Baith He wouldn't even approach. That wouldn't even cross his or her mind. These are 21st century film director's fancies.
probably one of the most sensual moments in film. Ever. (please share if you have better examples, asking for a friend)
Integrity is hot!
According to IMDB, the almost kiss was something that came up naturally during the first screen tests with Macfadyen, and it only worked so well because their chemistry was great. So they decided to keep it in (thankfully)
I love in the end when she replies “well then, your hands are cold” is because her usual wit and sarcasm have been stripped from her and for once she’s actually speechless and has no retort to his honest expression of humility and love.
@T.B. Creek Maybe im just a cheeseball for gestures and physical touch while you're more a words of affirmation person, this is about personal taste after all. Thank you for the civil debate
@pink I sat on it. For several hours actually, and only a smidge uncomfortable. I grant you physical touch was less accepted then. I give you her growth and being emotionally bare in the moment she gave an honest, caring , loving gesture, and for the first time at a loss for words. But to put myself in Mr Darcy's place, is a gesture all it is? Is it just an act from a feeling of obligation? I would want to know she knows and wants the same thing. If we are to speak of 'back then' , for the most part a man like Darcy would have got the girl he wanted and if she only did it as a gesture or obligation he would be fine with it. If she had an issue, then she would have to deal with it like Mr Collins and his wife. But this is not the case. Add to it what we know of Elizabeth, as Lady Catherine de Bourgh said, "you give your opinion very decidedly for so young a person." - Give it. No grand speech, just a yes, and then the loving gesture.
@T.B. Creek This would be a reason to dislike this scene IF we weren't talking about Lizzie Bennet and her growth since the first proposal. This scene is showing exactly that. She's striped away from all her pride and prejudice, her sarcastic comments, and denying of her own feelings for Mr. Darcy. She's actually communicating the most honest answer she could give by PHYSICAL TOUCH!! which was a big deal back then. Sit on that for a minute and then get back to me.
That’s not how I took it at all. She was constantly standoffish because of her insecurity and pride from his original insult she overheard. Even when her feelings intensified for him she couldn’t trust him (for good reason). By the time he finally came not once to her with vulnerability, but twice with now the knowledge of what he had done for her, her making contact with him finally cemented her feelings for him in just one touch. Something she kept from him (understandably in the beginning) and often flat out 🙅♀️ denied. One touch with a side of concern was enough.
Personally I would have rather had a "yes" and then what we see here. When I saw this scene I was so put off by it. My thought was she was not willing to accept responsibility. She wants the out of any future troubles by being able to say she did not want the relationship having already rejected him. His asking again without any clear insult or reason for objection, she can always say accepting his offer was the proper and expected thing to do. Say yes Lizzy!
I've never watched this version of the film, but I read this book at least once a year.
I disagree that it's a very "white" story. I'm African, and I identify with it very intensely. It's very human, and Jane Austen does a great job of telling a universally relatable story.
👌🏼🦋👌🏼🦋🌟 It is indeed a UNIVERSAL HUMAN story that touches the essence of us and that is what makes Jane Austen’s writing and perspectives so enduring and powerful… she reaches beyond any one condition and gets to the heart of human relationships.
That's not what they were referring to, they were referring to the prevalence of white actors. Even at the beginning they said that it was a story that anyone can relate to. Dah...
@Polite Reminder: Yep. It's over the top here. Yeesh
My favorite thing about the "long shot" of Darcy with the swelling piano, is that he is WALKING to her - he hears what his aunt did to Elizabeth, but instead of rushing off in a carriage or on his fastest horse and galloping to her like a prince ready to sweep her off her feet, he WALKS!!! He comes in on HER level, the girl who claims to love walking (when half the time she walks because she has to), he decides to enter the scene with such a simple but powerful gesture of love, on FOOT. He's also not all dressed up and high collared like usual, he wears a simple shirt and trousers, very casual, as if to say "I'm here as the man you have made me into". Beautiful.
Lovely perspective beautifully put on words.
@Aleah Longacre 6 months late, but just want to applaud your observation. This is what the comment section should be for movies. Interesting, intelligent observations, interactions, and conversation.
Well done. Good form
"He comes in on HER level, the girl who claims to love walking (when half the time she walks because she has to), he decides to enter the scene with such a simple but powerful gesture of love, on FOOT."
Lizzie isn't poor just because Darcy is ultra rich.
"He's also not all dressed up and high collared like usual, he wears a simple shirt and trousers, very casual, as if to say "I'm here as the man you have made me into". Beautiful."
With the standards of that particular era he's dressed as the equivalent of someone walking around in your garden in pjs. I don't quite see the allure of this kind of sappy pretence at romance but apparently a lot of people like it.
Great great mind of yours
I absolutely LOVE this take, thank you for sharing!
I LOVE Mr Bennet's teary eyes when Elizabeth reveals her love for Mr Darcy. It's actually the most emotional moment in the film, for me.
@nadybl Thank God... ... I mean... ... That's cool. You know. It's fine and all that...
***As I feel deep relief that I don't have to stick to my word***
haha.
Actually, I don't hate Twilight. I saw it with a group of friends of guys and girls. Didn't love it, but didn't hate it.
And never rushed to see it again.
Honestly, the same with Titanic.
It's just one of those things
@LA HA Na, you don't have to. You have all the information here: It works in Pride and prejudice, not in Twilight :-) Darcy and Edouard are two very different creatures.
@nadybl Thank you for the information. Maybe I'll Try to watch it. But... it's Twilight. All I can do is think about it. No promises.
Haha
@LA HA They mentioned this in their review of Twilight, that's why the comparison. Also, I sometime see Pride and Prejudice compare to the trope "bad boy turns good for love of woman" and it's not the case at all. The comparison to Twilight shows the difference.
Did he really tear up in the book? I don't remember this detail.
That clap of thunder when Darcy mentions her father is brilliant! The one person she would never tolerate being criticized! Incredible touch by Joe Wright!
@william m. kydde I LOVE the classic. The book first, then the BBC version from the 80s, then the Colin Firth version. and I also love this one. I connect with it emotionally very well. It isn't about teaching to me, because I "know" the stuff and was a literature major in college. It's just... I LIKE this one better. That's what art is - a way of connecting with the emotions. So I don't think it's bad to have so many versions of this because emotionally people connect with whichever version they love most.
@CJ Yep. Instead of letting the public learn, let's just twist a classic.
@CrispyLeaves true. The BBC version with Colin Firth has a much better interpretation of this scene from a historical perspective. I love this one though because I consider it more accessible to the current culture which does not comprehend the restrained emotions of that time.
It's inauthentic. That entire scene is very different from the scene in the book. And it is very far from how it would have gone at the time.
@CJ I "like" it as they take an excellent and very profound book and "improve" it in their shallow way. Most of the novel is not even speech: thoughts, feelings, landscapes, and feelings and thoughts caused by the landscapes.
I love this movie, but one thing I think it failed to really convey from the book is when Elizabeth visits Darcy's grand manor with her aunt and uncle, it wasn't the wealth and splendor that contributed to her change of heart. It was the way his housekeeper spoke about him, and described how kind he was to all his servants and tenants.
exactly! the words seem muted by the music and the imaginary but that's the important part. Darcy always helps people without being asked to. Shows his good nature.
@Kimberly Sparkles Actually, that depends. Pride and Prejudice was written in the late 18th century and, I believe, finally published in the early 19th.
Both the BBC series and the film are quite true to a time period, they just chose different ones, both fitting.
There's an entire reaction video about the costumes and set of the movie and their historical accuracy, and I believe it ranked quite highly in accuracy for the late 18th century.
@iSharShar Tell me you never read the book without telling me you never read the book.
It’s naive to think she’s not swayed by the grandeur of Pemberly. Love in that time was in terms of economics. It’s a very modern interpretation to think she wasn’t impressed by his wealth.
She also saw how her family appeared moreso looking through his eyes..I think what he did with her sister got her.
Movie trivia: the scene in the rain was written FOR them. Kiera Knightley, uncommonly for Hollywood, was cast first, as so did the casting reads with the Darcy auditionees. Matthew comes in, and reads, and they do the scene almost exactly like this - even though it wasn't written that way. They get closer and closer, and even do that small lean in for the kiss at the end before realising and pulling away, and Joe Wright saw it and was like 'THAT'S IT'. And then adapted the scene from the original Collins' house (where it's set in the book) to be outside, in the rain, with the thunder, to punctuate the pure drama and chemistry the two actors created
@ce ka 👌🏼💛💛
Oh wow! I didn't know that despite being a major fan of the movie and researching stuff about it, thank you so much!!
I read somewhere that Matthew mcfayden is super nearsighted and so in the long shot when he's walking toward Elizabeth, Joe wright actually had to wave a giant red flag behind the camera to make sure he was walking towards the right place. And he still plays it SO WELL!!
@Cecilia Marinello I would give you a price if I could for that.
The only red flag allowed in this story.
Guys you are FUELING my ability to write competent romances, I’m takin notes like an absolute madwoman.
Wow, a Romance build with Cinema Therapy in mind? Now I want to read that!
Write! Write! Write!
Aww, I love that they just went together as a pair of guys and just loved the sh*t out of this masterpiece.
Me tooooooo! That was just so cooool.
What I love about Pride and Prejudice is that you truly can't tell who is Prideful and who is Prejudiced. They are both flawed yet that makes them perfect together
One of the things that makes Darcy such a good romantic character is that when Lizzie rejects him, he leaves it. He does not push her to change her mind or tell her why she is wrong to reject him. He writes to her to correct some inaccurate facts about him, but he clearly states the intent of his letter is not to renew his intentions towards her. Jane Austen knew where it was at.
@claripossum Let's try to get beyond that stereotypical thinking you yourself have just engaged in while imagining you were critiquing or rejecting it. Both men and women experience the effects of bonding hormones which are released during intimacy and which can make us all, female or male, develop an emotional attachment to someone we aren't compatible with.
@Healthy Quadrant That last bit was disgusting. There's always masturbation, instead. And celibacy has never killed anyone either.
@silveryfeather208 not even the right word for this context
That’s only good if someone is genuine about their feelings.
Some people need to be pressed to gets REAL answer out of them 😂
I have been geeking out over this move for 17 years. I love that there are people out there who love it just as much as me.
I love the book and my husband and I listen to the audiobook several times a year and watch this movie a few times too. Yes there isn’t a complete faithful retelling but in general I believe they get the spirit of the characters and plot very well. To get any book distilled into under two hours is a tall order for any book let alone a classic!
@harpo345 absolutely! The 1995 version with Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth is the best!
Try the BBC TV series - 6 plus hours of P&P and very faithful to the book.
SO much better.
Same !!! Watch it every year. And watch clips regularly. I’m addicted.
Yes!!
Okay but the brief, deep "Mr Bingley" from Mr Darcy when he's role-playing as Jane when Bingley is practicing his proposal gets me every time 🤣🤣
THIS is where you see how great a friend he is! Helping his bestie "practicing" his proposal, posing as the lady, genuinely wanting to help... 😊 And the fact that the "lovely lady" has a "lovely barytone voice" is indeed hilarious! 😆
And when Bingley calls him „Miss Bennett“! Mr Darcy is so much NOT a Miss 🤣 Love that scene!
The way Darcy trips on the word, “love…” that and the hand wringing is so indicative of the shape of Darcy’s feelings for her. It’s such a tender and vulnerable side of him, something he would never show before meeting her.
I have always hated that sentence 😬 but he manages it well, almost feel shaky and scared
I don’t know if this was intended, but some religions believe that saying something 3 times makes it more meaningful. Love the idea that saying he loves her once was not enough to convey his feelings for her!
15:30 I love how expressive Matthew is while still playing an impeccable Darcy. His reactions as he's seeing the parallels between his interference between Jane and Bingley and the rejection he's just gotten from Elizabeth is a masterwork of acting. Understanding that the same shyness that Jane was exhibiting is how he reacted to Elizabeth in the beginning and his interference is what has prevented his own engagement is heartbreaking to watch.
Oohh shiiiiit! Thanks for pointing that out, it's brilliant! Was it mentioned in the book? I don't remember
This is my favorite love story movie. Not only because it has well written characters, beautiful shots and a brilliant score. But because there is absolutely no sexual scene, not even a kissing scene. The hottest thing that happens is when Darcy helps Elizabeth into the carriage or when they almost kiss after their dispute in the rain. This movie shows that love is more then just physical attraction and i love it! Also you guys nailed it again. awesome video!
@Kharbachi Fouzia actually there are 2 versions: the UK and US version. not sure but Americans felt it was lacking in physical sense; hence in the US version, the last scene was the one with kisses. The UK one is her telling her dad.
It's when you can check the boxes of respect, admiration, that the person has self-reflection, can compromise and see things from another's perspective, is fair and charitable - all that, when you know you're truly safe - is, omg, when you get skyrockets.
there are kisses in the final scène It took me forever to notice it I always thought the last scène was when she was telling her dad bout darcy but there is a final scène after that...
I stumbled upon a take on this earlier today:
Jane Austen really said: ‘I respect the “I can fix him" movement but that's just not me. He'll fix himself if he knows what's good for him' and
that's why her works are still calling the shots today.
@Maureen-MO If he knows what is good for him...
He'll fix himself. i needed to hear that one before I go fixing some man out there
@killjoy \m/ Nobody gonna "tame" this Stallion! lmao!
@Healthy Quadrant lmao there is no such thing, it's a saying mostly used for problematic men by women who believe they will change for better for them
@orsikocs Absolutely.
Fact: their family isn't actually considered "poor" by financial means. The contrast between Darcy/Bingleys' status vs Bennets' were social connections, which was as important as money back in the day. Sure, Bennets earn less but they're a respectable family.
Exactly, that’s why when the Aunt comes to visit Elizabeth. She says “He is a gentleman and I’m a gentleman’s daughter” the Aunt then says “Yes but who are your aunts, your uncles, you friends, etc” It was more about that Elizabeth didn’t know or wasn’t related to the “right” people.
They mentioned at the beginning of the movie, the silhouettes of Darcy and party in the dark, facing all this noise and life. What they didn't connect, was the shot when Lizzy accepted Darcy and they touch foreheads. They are in silhouettes together, but lit and full of life! They are finally on the same level of light and esteem. *I also think they should have addressed Lizzy's growth from the Wickham situation, where she learned the truth and adjusted her prejudice to see both Wickham and Darcy for who they really are.* This is also why when they are in the meadow, they have both equally grown for the better to meet and move forward on equal ground.
**Also, when they each reveal their feelings for each other in a raw nature, they are in fact in nature itself in a raw form. The Gazebo was seemingly overtaken by nature, and they were drenched in rain. And in this, they are in a meadow covered in fog and sunlight. It's an opposite, showing where they are now from where they were. And each have touches of water, a connecting medium, in incense and more gentle circumstances.
Joe Wright, the actors, cinematographers, composers, everyone who worked on this movie made perfectly, because they weren't aiming for perfection. They made it real.
I always thought that a good part of Darcy's pride was just introversion. The man doesn't like crowds of strangers, as seen by his behavior at the dances.
When I was reading the book, I sometimes thought that Darcy might be neurodivergent
This was a choice made to modernize Darcy. It had to work for the movie due to its short run time. In the novel, Darcy is prideful. He looks down on the people at the gathering and several of their habits. He is really critical of Jane and her habits. To a much further extent. But she is too. Sometimes she purposefully offends him.
@KjA he is a different character in the 2005 version though. In the other versions and the book he just doesn't think it is worth it to talk to people- so he doesn't practice and is bad at it. In the 2005 movie he is shy, which is more Jane's character than Darcy's
Social Anxiety I picked it up in the 2005 version, as it is most apparent.
In the novel and the BBC version he says to Lizzie, when she and his cousin are making fun of him for not dancing at the public ball, he says he is not as comfortable conversing with strangers as he would like to be. Lizzie just tells him he would be better if he practiced more. Which is why when later he meets her aunt and uncle he is really friendly- because he has been practicing- and Lizzie is shocked. He also thinks his pride is checked because he says that pride will always be under regulation when there is superiority of mind- which is a flawed and interesting argument because if you think your mind is superior then how will you check your pride?
Funnily enough one of my absolute favourite scene in this movie was when he helped Bingley with his proposal. I think it wasn't in the book but I find it absolutely adorable. The way he leans in playing Jane's part to help his friend's nerves. It's also like the first time we see them interact with eachother that actually sells me they are best friends and I loved it. I wanna see more friendships like this in cinema! 💳💥
The BBC version is truest to the book's tale of how wrong Lizzie gets it all. At one point she recognizes that when she is enlightened about the true characters of both Wickham and Darcy, that she hardly knew herself. She has been so certain; so wrong! And interestingly, Austen gives the truest observations to the person most often dismissed as the most ridiculous of the P & P characters: Mary! Austen was a freaking genius.
@A P Thank you.
Yes, it seems to me that Mary was trying to get praise for something and always failed. 🙁
And even Lydia and Kitty were only acting as their mother had taught them to act, so you can see how they became "silly" as well.
@Furienna Yeah, I feel I'm a sort of Mary...She just tries to fit somewhere, but fails miserably. I think though that Jane Austen wanted to convey that Mary was a bit blind to recognise what her talents and flaws were and blind to other people's judgement as well..in a sense Mary was like her little sisters in that she tries to get attention, but by different means (intelectually, talent etc.)...In other words, she is still plagued by attention seeking behaviour. At least that's what I understood. But I don't condemn Mary...everyone has needs. It's just that Mary also lacked the social awareness of her older sisters that knew what was appropriate in society and what was not. Mary was stuck in between sisters - the middle child. Jane Austen was brilliant...
@MsJubjubbird Still, I see what we're supposed to think of as Mary being "silly" as her trying to be good at something and get some positive attention.
But it never worked for her since even her parents and her sisters had already decided to look down on her no matter what she did.
Perhaps you can say that she should have just calmed down and not tried so hard, but I know I made similar mistakes when I was younger.
It is hard for some of us to be well-liked when we don't have the proper social skills to know when to stop.
@Furienna it's not that she's not pretty, though it would help her in the marriage market- though she isn't interested in marriage. Charlotte is plain but is not ridiculed. Caroline is plain but it is her attitude not her looks that are ridiculed. Austen was very critical of revering people only for their looks. It's that Mary takes herself way too seriously to the point where she makes a fool of herself- because she is not the star she thinks she is. She's almost a warning about what a severe lack of insight into one's faults can result in. Therefore Elizabeth should take care.
@MsJubjubbird The problem is that everyone in the story is prejudiced against Mary because she's not pretty and popular like her sisters are.
So nobody is interested in what she says or what she feels since she's the least likely to get married and thus is just an inconvenient burden to her family.
That is why Austen portrayed Mary so negatively and not because she really did something wrong.
And if the Bennets had lived in a Catholic country, they would have sent Mary to a convent and allowed her to stop worrying about her position in life.
But in the very Protestant society of Regency England, they had no room for a daughter who preferred to read books and discuss religion over flirting and dancing.
She could have been a clergyman like Mr Collins if she had been a man, but it was of course not an option for a woman back then.
So I must find her situation really sad...
I love how the title applies to both Lizzie and Darcy. They are both proud individuals whose prejudice via secondhand information blinds them to the others' true nature.
yeah i always thought price was darcy and prejudice was elizabeth but its actually both
Honestly it applies to everyone in the storu
@Ptolémée Sélénion Darcy's mother is the daughter of an Earl, and Elizabeths mother is the daughter of a merchant, which means Darcy has more impressive relatives than Elizabeth, but society at that time cared a lot more about who your FATHER was, and both of their fathers were members of the GENTRY, which makes them equals in regards to "breeding". Also, if you think breeding actually matters, then you missed the whole point of the story...
@Ptolémée Sélénion Yes, he is. He owns a country estate and collects rents from the farmers who live on it, JUST LIKE MR BENNET. I'm trying to tell you they're BOTH part of the gentry, and I genuinely don't understand why that's not getting through to you.
It's not entirely secondhand. Lizzie overheard Darcy dissing her looks.
Fact: during the scene where Darcy helps Elizabeth to into the carriage, the actor playing Darcy said that the reaction of his han shaking while he gets into the house was absolutely real!
@Ramaa Bapat well duhh lol!!
I mean if I held Keira knightlys hand I would shake too 😂
That bit when Elizabeth stands up for Jane when Darcy misunderstands her! Every time it makes me feel like crying. I was shy & awkward when I was in my teens & often got misunderstood and my sister just thought I was pathetic. I love seeing loyal sibling dynamics onscreen now I'm older and not so bitter about it.
I love how much y'all consistently admire and give praise to the music in films. It really guides the audience on what emotion to have and even gives insight into the inner thoughts and feelings of the characters. Thank you for always giving shout outs to the composers for great music, even pausing at times to point out how great the soundtrack is.
The whole soundtrack is gorgeous. I want that ‘Darcy walking to Lizzy’ music at my wedding
For this film especially. This was one of those experiences where I enjoyed the soundtrack more than the film.
Can't forget about the soundtracks. Composers make magic!
The shot at the end where the sun rises between the two of them as they reconcile is truly one of the most beautiful moments in cinema. Ever.
I think that Macfadyen was right about Darcy and so that's why he was able to play him so well. Macfadyen said that much of Darcy's apparent pride and coldness was simply shyness. A shy but gorgeous man who is forced into prominence by his family's wealth which he now must be responsible for is not an easy role in movies or in real life. Darcy had some prejudice that had been drummed into him by his family, but it doesn't seem that was really his choice. The change in the movie came when both characters decided to throw off the expectations and prejudice of their society and find happiness for themselves. The change was a gradual one that came in stages throughout the movie so that everyone could watch it happening.
Wow I didn't know the actor said those - definitely nailed it. There's something I want to add to your comment though, I don't think Darcy's family injected any prejudice into him. I don't remember ever getting any negative impression of his family, I feel like they were really gentle and well-bred, so naturally Darcy must've been brought up the same way. Those good manners wouldn't allow them to sow prejudice in their son. But! Maybe after losing his parents, as a shy and gentle young man with people like Wickham in his circle, Darcy might've learned to be cautious, cynical, even jaded. And later with characters like Ms. Bingley around him, I imagine he would've been reminded often to look out for himself (because he was such a catch) and be more rational, practical, materialistic etc.
I don't know if anyone will care but I really love talking about these matters!
I read the book differently though. Mr Darcy really believes that rightful pride has virtue. He was not shy nor awkward. But it can at a cost of being stiff and less able to let go and have fun.
My ex brother in law was shy like D'Arcy upon first meeting or in public. Once on his own turf he was great fun however. He was a bit autistic and was very bright. Very! As is Darcy . One of the reasons Darcy likes Lizzie is because she is smart and loves books.
Such a good film.
Fun Fact: The novel was almost titled "First Impressions", which is very apt, since our first impressions of other people aren't always accurate, as is the case with Lizzie and Darcy.
@Anne Li
In the novel, Elizabeth is about 20 and Darcy 25/26 I think
Hey Trina!
And Wickham!
But i like "Pride and Prejudice" better. It's so mind blowing when you realise the meaning of the title in the middle of reading the novel. Like an epiphany. If it was titled "First Impressions", half the story would be too obvious for me. Pride and prejudice is superior. Period.
It's Pride and Prejudice or, First Impressions, according to the book. A co-title.
props to the oldest girls for sticking it out and persuing their happiness while their family was being *the worst™*
I gotta say I love it when you continually trash talk Twilight because I remember when it came out (kind of alongside 50 shades of grey) and I was a budding music therapist thinking to myself “why is this type of love being romanticized and normalized?!” So I’m glad someone from a platform is finally calling this out and offering examples of healthy relationship patterns. 🎉
Wait.. music therapist? 😮
The rejected purposely scene is the best scene of the whole movie. They both are so vulnerable and just lay everything on the table and it’s an emotional roller coaster and it’s the best 😂
The "zoom lens sort of creeping in and out", in my opinion, emulates breathing through the intensity of the moment. The revelation of actions, the welling of emotion, the truth in expression...all heightened by that small lens adjustment. 💕✨ Genius.
I love the decision to use the rich warm earthy color palette.
Her relationship with her father is a hearthstone upon which she can stand as she investigates relating to suitors, especially Mr. Darcy. 💕✨👍🏻
...AND...you quote from Mr. Collins' sermon which is SO relevant to Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth's sodden encounter at the Temple of Apollo! 🔥👍🏻⚡️
i do think that darcy changes, but i also think that our perception of him changes even more than he does. i think he was always a man of integrity, but because he was so consciously dedicated to doing the right/proper thing, he thought he was always right and didn't realized his views of things could be drastically off. i think it says something to his true gentle nature (as we see he always had with his sister), that he realizes he was wrong and corrects his mistakes. he doesn't go rigid and defensive, and just ignore everything and block out differing voices. he has a gentle/kind core that realizes he was wrong and he has the integrity to fix it. those are qualities that any person, man or woman, can aspire to have.
EDIT: i wrote this at 28:56 in the video, and then just watched the rest and they said exactly what i wanted to say, but better lmao.... ("Darcy evolves, and that's why it works." "And both of [their] perceptions of each other evolve. Darcy changes, but it's not a huge change." "He has the same values at the beginning and at the end, what he drops is 'My perspective is the right perspective. Period.'".)
"But one word from you will silence me forever."
Fitzwilliam Darcy is the perfect example of maintaining your position of how you feel in moments of emotional vulnerability, but still remaining respectful of their own feelings as well. His and Lizzie's individual growth make their relationship so compelling and lovely.
@C K in this case, silence meant repressed seething fuming anger. she _didn't_ want to be with him.
@Olivia Mackenzie Yeah. He was an ass, which is why she rejected him. He had some more growing to do and over time she saw that he had changed. Of course she had to grow as well and learn to not judge people based on first impressions.
@C K did you even read the book? Funny way of wooing her insulting her family and her background. And the whole point of his character arc is learning to become less selfish and seeing people below him in terms of class as his equals.
@Olivia Mackenzie He read her facial expressions, body language, and her silence appropriately and correctly. He wasn't "dumping" on her. He was wooing her. Ever been wooed by a suitor before?? She can reject him just as easily after he expresses his affection as she could before, but she chose not to because she WANTS to be with him. Learn to read silence.
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It's different from Twilight because while Elizabeth, like Bella, has an attraction towards Darcy, she never loses her sense of reason. She realizes she likes and loathes him and knows that as long as she loathes, him being with him is impossible. Elizabeth is a prime example of staying true to oneself and not completely losing it over the tiniest hint of attraction to another person.
I love how they both self reflect and correct their ways. Especially Mr. Darcy, in the end they both realize that they are very much alike. One of my favorite books and this is my favorite film version.
This is my favorite character development for a man. “I will make myself a better man, because I want to be a better man. If the woman I love then decides to be with me, great, but I will be better regardless.”
I LOVE Jonathan's 'therapist voice' and 'selling shit voice'. They're so different and so perfect for each situation 💕
One of my favourite moments in the whole book is the scene where Elizabeth visits Mr. Darcy's manor-and it's not the grandeur or the wealth of the place that sticks out to her, but the way that he's used his money to take care of both the place and the people. She talks to the people that work under him, and they all genuinely seem to care for him (and all don't speak so highly of Mr. Wickham!). I think it's the point where the attraction and the pull she has been pushing away really turns into love.
Especially when you consider how it contrasts to her own family. With her mother and her "well if I just marry them off to ANYBODY, the family will be saved!" kind of attitude, that doesn't care at all for her own personal happiness in a life-partner/husband (which, though not entirely unexpected for the time, a key defining feature of Elizabeth is that she wants to be lastingly happy in a relationship-marrying a man like Mr. Collins would be very destructive to her).
Or add her father's "I won't inconvenience myself to help or protect you-and I'll point and laugh at each of you while you're suffering" kind of distance from them into the mix, even if he likes and favours Elizabeth and Jane.
To see Mr. Darcy, who has everything, and doesn't technically need to look after everything as well as he does (unlike her father), but does it anyway... he's a nurturer (unlike her mother), and like Elizabeth, he's willing to take the step back and reflect on his wrongdoings (unlike a lot of her family), and those are both great sources of the widespread appeal and attraction to him, I think.
I always really loved how Darcy’s evolution is directly and explicitly represented in his clothing. The more he warms up to Elizabeth the looser his collar is and he is more exposed, literally.
@Jaded Kate actually historically the clothing in the BBC adaption is much more accurate. High necked linnen shirt with tied ribbon etc. I do partly not know the proper englisch names for them. But the bbc version nailed the clothing department. But compared to the movie, those clothes look stiff and old-fashioned. Thats probably why they took some liberties, to please our modern eyes.
@Endless student so how would they leave their house ? what were the minimal requirements ?
I've never paid attention to that! thank you for pointing it out!
True (all though strictly speaking, at that time, no one would have left their house looking like that - concession to modern times). So they took quite some liberties with historical clothing.
I disagree - I think it could have been toned down a lot. Given all that Mr B went through with Lydia, I don't think he'd be questioning whether Lizzy should marry Darcy after they both parading about the countryside so undressed!
It wasn't just Darcy that needed to change Elizabeth needed to change as well. They both had pride and prejudices and needed to learn to work past them. They also both thought they had both lost their chance of being together, but it didn't stop them from growing and changing. Together or not they still needed to improve themselves.
I also feel that Wickham is a good example of a villain...he's not some unbelievable, crackling villain...he's a shifty dude who just takes advantage of every situation he finds himself in. I love the spin-off novel #WickhamsSecondAttempt, as it is very true to his character in that sense.
This movie is timeless. I love the cinematography, the score, the writing and the acting. It all comes together beautifully.
Please, please, pleeeeaaaase react to Jane Austen's Emma...
I don't care about which version you are reacting to, I just love the story and the comedic twist in it so so much. Please consider it, I would be so delighted to view all this relationships from a therapeutic perspective. 😊
@Cinema Therapy 😍🤩😃 Yeeeeeessss!!!! Thank you....
I sure will enjoy every minute of the video ❤️
Working on it for next year... 😁
I do have a lot of appreciation for Jane Austen as an author even though her genre isn't really my cup of tea. But I especially love how sharp and witty her writing is, as shown with Elizabeth.
@angel whispers Ah yes. Northanger actually my favourite of her books.
What she's actually writing is social commentary and I think if you reread or listen to the audiobooks with the idea that she's commenting on how the Society of her time works. And especially in like Northanger Abbey where she's making fun of the gothic novel.
If you read them with the understanding of what she's making fun of I think you will like it better if you are not thinking of them this romance's cuz they're not.
You might want to check out Dr Octavia Cox she is a doctor of literature she's super intelligent. she covers basically all aspects of Pride and Prejudice and a lot of Jane Austen's other work as well as well as reading some stories that Jane Austin wrote as a child that influence her later work it is really interesting.
I think if you look at the stories as a puzzle box of her commenting about her time you'll enjoy it more. Because once you get how sarcastic and kind of mean spirited she can be it's so much more entertaining than thinking of it as being part of the modern romance genre.
I love Darcy's little eye twitch when he realised Elizabeth heard what he said about barely being tolerable. Great moment. You can just see the internal screaming.
Busted!
@Cristina DeCisneros No, he actually called her that, it's in the book
I don't see the eye twitch. I just see him staring.
Oh thanks for that!! I’ve really never noticed it!
@Lauren when he barges into the cottage at Rosings and then realizes that he didn't think that far ahead so just starts complementing the house?
One of the things that I really like about the relationship between Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy is that after he gives her a backhanded compliment, she turns around and just dishes it right at him. She is the queen of snark in this movie.
“Speaking whatever you’re thinking isn’t a virtue if what you’re thinking needs to be checked.” I have tried to explain that before but just couldn’t find the right words. So glad you said this.
I loved this film since it came out in 2005, and I love that sooo many essays can be written analyzing the masterpiece of storytelling in this film. Everytime, I see something new upon rewatching.
CASE IN POINT!! 27:13 when he says Keira is just pondering, "doing nothing" I realize it's very similar to how ghibli films include moments of stillness, reflection, and time passing to let the characters and audience breathe together. And bc Joe Wright included those moments (lizzie on the swing, lizzie walking across fields, lizzie on a cliff), it grounds the film in an "everyday" relatability, and shows snippets of her on her growth journey.
Miyazaki said including 'mundane' moments, like a long wait for a bus, are important bc it is the space between actions that allow us time to contemplate and decompress.
I think that's part of what makes this 2005 adaptation so well made and unique; it includes those moments of (in japanese) "ma" in a western film- the space between, the contemplative pauses.
I must admit I haven't watched this version of P & P before. I am a diehard fan of the older BBC series with Jennifer Ehle as Elizabeth and Colin Firth as Mr Darcy. Colin made such a spectacular Mr Darcy, it was impossible not to fall in love with him. Especially the way he said the line (that doesn't appear to be in this newer version?) “You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you".
Not only does Mr Darcy love Elizabeth, its so clear he really values and appreciates her for her mind and spirit, not only her looks. Something that's lost in romances made today, oftentimes. I enjoyed your video! :-)
Fitzwilliam Darcy is an ideal man: he listened, took no for an answer, helped not expecting gratitude, and all his faults real or percived, has never made him malicious.
@The Red Cat That's the point :) You had a prejudice against him because you misunderstood him. THAT was exactly what Jane Austin was attempting to do. Personally, I adore Mr. Darcy.
@Robin S why don't you try reading it?
@angel whispers This is absolutely BRILLIANT understanding , and shows why Pride and Prejudice is still a classic that speaks to people in any time or culture. Well said! 🥰
@Robin S no as long as you actually are sorry and SHOW it by taking action
@angel whispers You don't have to write me an essay to tell me that anything can be forgiven as long as you're hot and rich.
So I have always felt her full rejection of him when he proposed was because of her protective nature over her sister. And when they meet in the meadow, he tells her to say the word and he’ll forever leave. She does not say the word. For the first time, she makes intentional contact with him and comments on his well being. This was her way of showing she cares for him. It’s so beautiful and simple.
The dance scene will forever be my favorite due to the continuous shot. It was so intense and perfect.
I LOVE having Megan Seawright on the episode -- she adds such a perfect energy and insight and chemistry with these guys. Please, please, please can we have more of her. What a wonderful trio.
I'm so glad that you did this and that you pointed out so clearly why Elizabeth and Darcy's relationship works and is healthy and why Edward and Bella's is not.
Another reason why this works, and Edward and Bella doesn't, is because Darcy never lies to Elizabeth, or keeps information from her to "protect" her. Darcy actually does the opposite, and completely honest with her about his feelings and the perceived obstacles to their relationship.
Edward constantly hides things from Bella and outright lies to her about stuff, saying he wants to protect her, and it usually ends up being more dangerous for Bella than if he had just been honest.
Now, you could argue that Darcy hid information from Elizabeth by not telling her what he did for Lydia and Jane, but I would say that first, Darcy wasn't physically around Elizabeth, and in the right situation to tell her. And in Lydia's case, it was the duty of Lydia's relatives to make the situation right and restore, at least partly, the family's honor. Darcy could not make public the fact that he helped without making Elizabeth's father and uncle incapable and incompetent. Darcy had to keep his actions secret so he could help them and it still look like the father and uncle did their duty. The Bennetts would likely have faced public humiliation if Darcy's help was known. And, he's not hiding this stuff to "protect" her. He's keeping it secret to because he's just trying to do the right thing, not win her love.
Also, they have conversations. Bella and Edward don't really talk about anything. So weird.
I was nervous to watch this at first because I thought you were going to tear my favorite movie apart! Haha! But I should have trusted in how well done this movie was in that you would have loved it too. This is a movie I feel gets deeper and deeper the more I watch it, there is so many little details that make this movie absolutely perfect and adds to the story line!
Agreed. We adore this movie!
I liked the movie, but my favourite is the BBC series with Colin Frith and Jennifer Ehle. It is the closest to the book and the scene where he stares at her when his sister is playing the piano, is soooo intense. It also seems to be the realisation of their feelings for them both.
Lizzie was confident and had a sense of self-worth. She was a fully formed person before and after Darcy, but both were made better by their relationship, and through a willingness to admit wrongdoings and embrace change. Bella had none of those things, and neither Twilight character experienced any real growth.
@Rishita Yadav No, Charlotte was 27, but Lizzy was only 20.
@Madama Belladonna this is so funny 😂, " nothing Can excuse her" did she stab them with a fork ?! IS she obligated to talk to those douchebags and the girl who abselotly hated her but stuck around her because she was popular ? Lol it's the idiocy that i expected ! How was she condescending ?? She was far nice to them than she should ! Those guys are literal predators, in New Moon she got out of weeks of depression and the first thing Mike does is Ask her out 🤦.. like she was Ready to have a new boyfriend.. none of them Care about her but she is obligated to talk to Them.. OMG..
This is a literal hatred dumb cult 🤦
Edward didn't control bella's life, he objected to her turning into a vampire, he also wanted her to stop speculating About his " Supernatural secret" because his family threatened to kill her if she doesn't stop asking ! How did this get translated into control and abuse?? Ow that's right, everything Gets misinterpreted in this serie because people want to hate it so much.. yea you people are bull s**t , get a life,
@Savannah Rose same. Agreed
@Teresa Carle thank you for the lovely comment..totally agree with.. especially when you Saïd that Twilight is nothing like pride and prejudice, why IS it braught up in every romantic story réaction ? Because people just like to hâte it 🤦
@Madama Belladonna you taged Mona but i think your comment was for me, so i'll respond to you, Edward came from a different time where he believes that becoming a vampire makes you "lose your soul", saying that he " Never listened to her" is abselotly ridiculous, they talked about everything and he listened to her about everything, he just didn't want her to be transformed into a vampire at the age of 17 ! And He was abselotly right ! She was too young to be making this decision, because her body will change and there is no turning back ! Personaly i feel so different now that i am above 25 from what i felt when i was 17, the choices that i Make now are very different, so i agree with him,
Secondly, Bella was definetly Shy and introverted, if you don't relate to her that's fine, but this doesn't mean that you Can bé disrespectfull towards people who are like her, she struggles with social anxiety like lots of us.. so stop being so insulting..
As for bella's " Friends" , these Friends are basicaly 3 guys who asked her out in one day , not because they liked her but because she was the New " shiny toy", it was disgusting, they had no Idea who she was and they created this secret bet between them to : " see who Gets to take her out " , none of them cared About her, there is also Jessica who abselotly hated her because she was getting all the attention, there was only the other nice girl wearing glasses, but even she avoided her and just kind of stuck with her old Friends, so i don't blame Bella for staying away from all of them, they were Never Real " Friends",the only people who knew Bella in that town were Edward, Jacob and the cullens, so yea she was right, and you are just a biased obsessed person who joined the Twilight hatred cult !
Okay y'all, first of all, great video and so happy You guys finally got to this movie! :D
And second, seeing You guys watch this made Me realize, "Emma" 2020 would be an AMAZING video to see from You guys!!
It has countless amazing filmaking nerd out moments and I fell like it could offer interesting insights on narcissism, Friendships and much more.
Keep up the good work!! Love y'all!! :D
I love love love love love this so much. I really hoped I would've seen you guys react to how Darcy stretched his hand after holding Lizzy's. It was heartwarming and small but so relatable, I do it after I hold hands with a crush and it's such simple body language, such a non-verbal confession. I enjoyed their body language so much. Darcy is so awkward to me, a spectacular introvert who was adopted by his extroverted redhead bestie who he'd do anything to keep him safe. Though I definitely feel like past experiences with that gold digger (his name leaves my mind in a blink) lead him to mistrust 'love' very heavily, especially when it comes with class. He is so clearly shown as a product of his upbringing so well that it's intriguing
I can't adress enough how much I love this story, in the book and this movie. The first time I watched it I thought: "this is the most romantic movie ever" and then I realized that they don't share even one small kiss througout the whole thing (unless you watch the extended version) other than that little one at the end, when Lizzie kisses Darcy's hand, it's so wholesom, I was amaze by that and it made me think that love is so much more!
When Darcy "proposes" the first time you can see how unsettled he was to be rejected, obviously that hasn't happen before, then she points that he ruined her sister's happiness and he accepts it, he can even keep composure after ranting about Lizzie's family and seein how angry she was, but the minute she starts to ask about Wickham he loses his composure and comes towards her, they get so mad! The tension of this moment is epic and then he leans just a little bit, you can see that he is dying to kiss her and she kind of wants to be kissed too, but then he stops, apologizes, turns around and leave and she is left there wanting more!
There are two things that, to me, are what makes this one of my top three favorite stories ever. One is the realization that people can choose to become a better person and not to please someone else, but because they look at themselves and they didn't like what they saw. And the fact that that was wrapped up in the most beautiful love story ever just makes it perfect.
The other thing that I absolutely adore about this story is the love that Mr. Bennet has for Lizzie. Obviously, her mom didn't had her in high steem, she didn't show any care for Lizzie, if it weren't for her dad, her mom would have made Lizzie marry Mr. Collins. That last scene when she starts to say to her dad how stubborn she and Darcy were and how similar they really are, with her shinning eyes and that smile, the amazing Donald Sutherland looks at her and starts laughing and crying at the same time, so happy for her, it never fails to make me cry. As a woman that grew up without her father because he chose to leave, seeing how he reacts to her beloved daughter well deserved happiness makes me feel so full of love, it is so beautiful, I just love it so much!
The second proposal just makes me want to go wander to a beautiful meadow just hoping that I would find a Mr. Darcy walking slowly towards me... I better go and watch the movie again...
Your description of the first proposal is one of the many reasons that I really dislike this movie adaptation. To take one of the most important scenes in the entire story and completely change what is going on in it to such an extent shows either a complete lack of understanding or a complete lack of respect for the source material.
"The tension of this moment is epic and then he leans just a little bit, you can see that he is dying to kiss her and she kind of wants to be kissed too, but then he stops, apologizes, turns around and leave and she is left there wanting more!"
You describe the movie scene perfectly, but nothing of this happens in the book. There is nothing in the description of the scene in the book that suggests anything even remotely like Darcy wanting to kiss Lizzie here, much less him dying to kiss her. His feelings are described in terms of him hearing her answer with "no less resentment than surprise" after which "his complexion became pale with anger". He continues to pass through a range of emotions, all of them in the negative, and the last we're told about them is that he looks at Lizzie in astonishment, "with an expression mingled incredulity and mortification".
And _Lizzie's_ feelings at this point are described over and over again as nothing but negative. Her "deeply-rooted dislike" is mentioned and how she "lost all compassion in anger" as he yammered on about her connections. How his certainty of a favourable reply could only "exasperate farther" and she flat out states "Had not my own feelings decided against you - had they been indifferent, or had they even been favourable, do you think any consideration would tempt me to accept the man who has been the means of ruining, perhaps forever, the happiness of a most beloved sister?" Towards the end of their conversation "Elizabeth felt herself growing more angry every moment.
There is nothing in this text - not the teensiest little term - that even remotely suggests that the "adaptation" the movie makers have decided to go with has any place here. They have done so purely because it satisfied their own ideas of what would be a better dramatic flair and to me it shows an enormous disrespect both towards Austen's skills as a writer and towards their intended demographic, whom they obviously don't trust to be intelligent enough to be able to appreciate a movie with any sort of romantic plot line without turning it into a tiresome run of the mill "they're only arguing because they want each other so badly - ah, let's not forget to make them both wet in this scene, people being wet make them so much sexier!" mess.
What's powerful about this story is it's not just Darcy that changes - Lizzie does too. They both had to grow and mature before their relationship could become a reality. Darcy had to work to overcome his prejudice - to realize the error of his previous actions and go to lengths to correct them. But Lizzie also had to overcome her pride and learn humility -- to learn that she could also be wrong (about Wickham, about who Darcy really was). By the time the story ends they're both more mature and have both learned from the errors of their ways to ultimately become better versions of themselves.
Charlotte tried to tell Elizabeth that Jane needed to make her feelings more clear to Charles kzclip.org/video/r5cqa9V0mUo/бейне.html. She even had inklings that Lizzie really like Darcy. Not many people pay attention to Charlotte's dialogue with it's advisements in the movie. Lizzie also saw how her family behaved at the dance, so she new Darcy's comments were true. That's why she brought up Mr. Wickham. That cut him. Man I love this movie.
I hope most readers/viewers get that Darcy isn't a "bad boy." Wickham is the really dangerous one. Darcy is mainly awkward and very much a product of his time and class. Matching up with a seeming "bad boy" works mainly because he's got a heart of gold under the prickly exterior. There's enough evidence throughout the story that Darcy was really a caring guy the entire time, but had his judgment clouded by various factors.
So accurate! I remember hearing someone refer to Mr. Darcy as a bad boy, and I went through the entirety or this movie, the BBC version, and the book, trying to find what could’ve made them think that.
@Two Finger Jack Mr. Bennet wasn't a great father. Yes, he helped Elizabeth out but he didn't make sure that his wife and children would be okay. He didn't try to set funds aside for his wife, didn't lead the family, and did not protect them from their selves and others, which was really important at the time. He also didn't set up dowries befitting his daughter's status.
Tbh, in the book and the movie, he came off as so incredibly awkward to me, like he has not really interacted with people on a casual level and is literally just stumbling through grasping his teachings and pulling them close to his heart like armour, because he knows that if he allows any to take advantage of him, just how dangerous it could get for him and the people he cared for. Honestly, I loved him the first time I met him in the book, because of his potential for change, because for all of his quick attacks while talking to Lizzy, he learned, because when one learns something so different from their norm, they start to compare and become confused by it and the confusion breeds the need for comprehension and he really didn't disappoint. No lie, I wanted to rugby tackle him at times though
Who saw Mr. Darcy as a bad boy? No, he's a snooty asshole if you're gonna give him negative characteristics. He's never ever a bad guy. Even with breaking up Jane and Bingley, he was doing that to protect his bro and was spurred on bigtime by Mrs. Bennet being a weirdo
It's clear that Mr. Darcy had a loving childhood and was able to see her as a person. A lesser man would have done the things for her (remember he Knew Wickhams true character already) and expected her to fall all over him for it in "repayment". Mr Darcy revealed his actions humbly and said "if your feelings haven't changed, so be it and I'll be on my way". He did all the things in the background that took a lot of effort, time and money, AND THEN he laid no expectations on her. This is the true opposite of pridefulness, and shows his true goodness.
What was it about Wickham's life vs Darcy 's that made him turn out to be a serial offender and Darcy able to actually humble himself and change? Darcy and Wickham are like examples of manhood. Men, don't be like Wickham. Be like Darcy or Mr Bennett: intelligent, loving, able to see the good in a person, and able to change their mind or ways.
Between my mother and father, my dad loves this movie WAAAAAY more. It’s his favorite
That's awesome!
I love how in this film Darcy is so shy! He has all this money, but he's an introvert and lives in a society where he really can't be! It's so good!
A truly underrated side plot of P&P is how to get beyond the shame you have about your family. Both Darcy and Elizabeth had to grow into their independent characters enough to break their family patterns but not all their family relationships.
Love their friction. Elizabeth didn’t have the social capital but was true to herself and discerning. Took a little growing up to understand and appreciate Darcy’s love expression.
I’m really happy you guys made a video on this movie! You put so many of my thoughts into words. It doesn’t feel like there are many people who appreciate this movie. When I say it’s one of my favorites, I feel like people think it’s because of the sappy romance, but it’s so much more than that. This is a cinematic masterpiece that captures so much meaning in silent moments
As someone who is hard of hearing and watches almost everything with closed captioning on, I have to say, I find the CC on your videos more hysterical than the conversation. Thank you for 1) having a riotous sense of humor, 2) remembering differently-abled people, and 3) not relying on auto generated CC.
YES! Also I was flashing back to watching this film in the theater the first time where the sound system was not up to the dynamics on the soundtracks and the whole proposal scene was UNHEARABLE because of the rain and the long shot of Darcy walking across the field was just a BOMBAST of piano that made me want to claw my face...They should have put subtitles on the MOVIE just like cinema therapy!
These captions with the Error messages were especially magnificent, but my favorite consistent element of the Cinema Therapy closed captions is when Jono and Alan speak in unison, and the CC designating who’s speaking says [Internet Dads]: 🤣 That always gets me!
i was just about to comment something similar :)
The captions on this one are gold!
Closed captioning is a godsend.💜
I know a majority of Jane Austen fans prefer the BBC version with Colin Firth because it is more faithful to the text. But I have ALWAYS preferred this version, because I feel like it's more faithful to the emotion and tone of the novel. The little details, like the dirt on Elizabeth's hem after walking to see her ill sister, just make this feel more real in a way that the BBC version doesn't.
Though not in a romantic relationship, I also have my own story where I was Darcy. In college, I was taking a class about Jane Austen adaptations and we were assigned a group project. The first thing I said to one of the people assigned to my group was, "I hate group projects." We met after class one day to work on the project and she stayed later to hang out for a bit. As she was leaving, she asked for my phone number and I told her she could find me on Facebook before shutting the door in her face. She's somehow now my best friend. (I wasn't trying to be awful, I was just very shy and panicked.)
This version is not true to the character description in the novel, Mr Darcy is not clumsy and insecure. She is supposed to be charming and witty. Give me the BBC'S version it's so much better.
Excellent response, in every respect. When this movie came out, I was keen to see it because I thought it might give me a quick version of the story for times when I don't have sufficient time for the 1995 BBC series. Well, sadly for me, all I could think when it was over was "Well, that's two hours if my life I'll never get back". My daughter had the DVD and I did try to watch it again, which I did a few times, but I usually got only so far before turning it off in disgust. Darcy was full, Lizzy giggled to much and Bingley's a dolt. The Bennet's were the major family in the area, not grubby farmers with a pug roaming through the house! I've seen the atrocious American ending too, which is truly vomit-inducing. It's only saving graces are the music, the scenery and that if it introduces younger people to the genius of Jane Austen that is a good thing.
Uh, Lizzie absolutely has dirt in the hem of her skirt in the BBC series, it's shown quite prominently. You might want to rewatch it before making such claims lmao
"The little details, like the dirt on Elizabeth's hem after walking to see her ill sister, just make this feel more real in a way that the BBC version doesn't."
There is plenty of dirt on Lizzie's hem in the BBC version. The scene where she's walking to Netherfield shows her feet slipping underneath her as she walks on the muddy pathway.
And I would actually argue that the reason I love the mini series and next to abhor the 2005 movie version is that the movie conveys almost nothing of the feeling of the book. All the drama that the colour palette and the movie score lays on thick has nothing to do with the tone of the book. And just Cinema Therapy pointing out how parts of the first proposal is literally emphasised by thunder(!) makes it very obvious how ridiculously over the top this adaptation is. Not to mention the ridiculousness of having both Lizzie and Darcy be dripping wet. What is this - a harlequin novel? There are so many other things throughout the adaptation that is just pure ridiculousness and only demonstrates that the movie makers neither understand nor respect the source material. Like having Lady Catherine show up as the Bennet's in the middle of the night - what on earth was that even about? And the nail in the coffin for me was when they actually phrase poor Darcy's second proposal almost exactly like Gene Kelly's comedic line in Singing in the Rain; "and I love, I love... love you." I never know whether to laugh or cry at it but I'm always taken aback by the fact that no one in the production team seemed to have noticed the similarity to the "I love you, I love you, I love you, looooove you" in Singing in the Rain, which was followed by the audience laughing furiously and one man asking "Did somebody get paid for writing that dialogue?"
I think the movie is pretty enough - it has high production values for sure - but for me it conveys pretty much nothing of the book. It feels as is the creators wanted to make a Bronte adaptation but decided to use Austen's work for it due to the popularity of Pride and Prejudice giving them more free publicity.
it's really sweet watching two men get swept up in romance. this stuff is so ubiquitous in a girl's life, a woman's life. even if we don't want to consume romance, the world shoves it upon us. it's like they are discovering how thrilling romance can be for the first time as grown ass men and all the women are like, yeah we know! it's awesome! 😆
You guys, what a beautiful commentary on a lovely film. I’ve never come across your channel before, but you have earned a new subscriber. Love your analysis and conversation, great chemistry between you.
This film was my first introduction to Jane Austin in any medium. Me and my sister watched it many times and still quote it to each other. Its not my favorite adaptation anymore *cough* 1995 *cough* and it's not the most faithful adaptation, but it is absolutely beautiful and fun and the music is to die for. Thank you guys for going over this one and Elizabeth and Darcy's relationship!
I love how they start out prideful in themselves, then end up proud of each other. It comes full circle!
And to think, that sunrise between them, perfectly framed, wasn’t planned. There’s so many genius moments since Wright just set things up and let organic moments happen and the movie is magic thanks to it.
@PRIM Moore That's *absolutely* the feeling that they're trying to convey with the way the scene goes, I think it just wasn't originally planned to be shot like that and the changed their minds about it during shooting is what they're saying :)
@PRIM Moore that was always my take, too. The cinematic version of “they only had eyes for each other.” It’s actually very cool to know it wasn’t at all intentional. It’s such a strong moment!
@Beatriz Couto, I always assumed it was just their perspective. No one else APPEARED to be in the room.
@DearxMyxSongs Oh wow, I'll be throwing the DVD in the player and listening to the director's commentary right now - thank you!
I read somewhere that the iconic hand flex wasn t scipted too it was Matthews own move and the director zoomed it and put it in the scene also the three (l love u s)are Matthews idea😊l just LOVE him
LOVED having Megan join for this one!! This is one of my favorite stories and the way you broke it down was so good. Also, side note, I don't know who does your captions but it's really rare as someone who's HoH to find captions that ADD so much to the viewing experience!! Thank you for making accessibility a priority! You guys rock
I love this story so much and this movie was so beautifully produced down to the choreography, the framing, just all the things.
Absolutely beautiful. ❤️
In addition re Twiglets - Edward Cullen is #oldwhitedudes to the extreme of #VERYoldwhitedudes
I’m happy you mentioned the score because it’s one of my favorite things about the movie. The piece Liz On Top of the World is so gorgeous and always makes me feel like I’m right on that ledge with Elizabeth. Great video as always.
The palette thing is similar to how paintings in the era look to us. It looks so dreamy and vibrant and colorful. The whole film looks like it could be a painting.
Would love to see your reaction to ‘While You Were Sleeping’. The thirst for family and intimacy really can get us into not so great and honorable situations.
Oh my goodness! I love While You We're Sleeping. I like to watch it around Christmas.
I love Lizzie's expression as she walks away after the "Barely tolerable" retort because, up until that point, she only seems happy and unaffected by the opinions of others and her sad expression tells me that in truth, she was hurt. Not just "he wounded my pride" but that his comment actually hit a vulnerable spot for her. after all, she has been compared to her older sister who is seen as the most beautiful sister and for Darcy to compliment her sister and insult her in the same breath had to hurt immensely. Her mother can say those things and she forgives her because she knows that her mother loves her and doesn't mean anything by it, but for it to come from Darcy... It was more than just wounded pride. Also, I think she expected her throwing the comment back to relieve the sting of his words. I know that when someone hurts my feelings and I lash out back, I expect to feel vindicated. but if I do, it only lasts a second or two and then the hurt comes back and I feel it even more deeply because my one weapon against it has proved insufficient and now I am defenseless.
Well said I dare say I share the same feelings in other words we don't spout low blows on others eventhough the say it to us . We are better than that😌💅
What a fantastic articulation of that scene. Legitimately agree with those aspects, particularly the expectation of vindication from hurling words back at a person when hurt.
"I know that when someone hurts my feelings and I lash out back, I expect to feel vindicated. but if I do, it only lasts a second or two and then the hurt comes back and I feel it even more deeply because my one weapon against it has proved insufficient and now I am defenseless."
I feel this so hard
After just having seen the Notebook review (which I agree on - terrible toxic "love"story), I must say I am mildly amused at how highly the regarded the "they are both wet" scene is in comparison and THE SWANS are picked out as a positive example for cinematography.
This is my favorite version of Pride & Prejudice. I'm so happy you reviewed this. And you were on the spot. The cinematography and the environments they shot in - Jeez Christmas it was wonderful. The clothing is just beautiful and at times so natural to the time! And the ACTING!! MY GOD! I bought this film on Prime Video so I can watch it whenever I want 😍
My family and I were actually discussing a mere week ago how this story works, how we can go from being so off-put by Darcy to loving him and seeing him as a golden soul, while other stories seem to try the same and merely paint them as abusive. I’m going to be rewatching this and thinking very hard about it all, it’s a fantastic masterpiece of storytelling! Thank you for your analysis!!
I Love love love this movie! I’ve seen it a bunch of times and never get tired of it. It’s beautifully done.
I just LOVE how everyone's quiet during Darcy and Lizzie's argument... Priorities xD
At 6:49. LOL. I had the same reaction to the novel. Not the first time, though. The first time I read this novel was when I was an immature, callow, science-obsessed 17-year-old geek in AP English class in high school. I found it utterly boring, and couldn't figure out the point to it. Then I read it again in my late 30s, and--wow!--I was gobsmacked that this was written 200 years ago. This novel is so modern and, frankly, so "miss nasty," with such scathing sarcasm, wit and word play. I also had context to the gossip, since by my late 30s I had gossiped with so many of my friends about romantic relationships, marriages and money. I got it. I really got it. This life experience of adulting made the novel a million times better.
I've only seen Pride and Prejudice recently and I loved it so much. It instantly became not just my favorite falling in love story but also my favorite enemies to lovers story. I'm glad to see it covered by you.
Keira's indignation is an absolute force in every bit of acting she's ever done and I loooove it.
When I read Twilight, before seeing it, I genuinely thought the author intended it as authentic horror drawing comparison between teenage "love" and vampirism and I thought it was fantastic. The face I made when I found out how very VERY wrong I was: 😬😬😬
Truly, I thought I was the only person who hated "Twilight". I can't believe it but you made me love "Pride and Prejudice" even more! Talk about about a woman with mad game! I adored how she stood up for her family and how deeply she respected her father. The snappy dialogue and the fact she doesn't care if Mr. Money Bags is offended has always made this story a winner for me. Such tender confessions but no complete engagement is done until Elizabeth clears Darcy with her father - that's my true 'ahhhh' moment. The fact that you two softies love this, I'm not amazed. I greatly enjoyed Megan's input. Great entry.
Ah that part in the end card when Bingley is like “Miss Bennet” and Darcy just answers “Mr. Bingley.” And bows - comedy gold
I"ve heard someone say somewhere that Darcy is the perfect man because he takes the critisism and works on himself to become better.
True, but I prefer Colin Firth as Mr. Darcy 😍 he gets is across more convincingly
@JannyKey007 she was definitively smarter than most of the people, and better or at least more respectful than Darcy..
@Fidele TAMO excuse me, but Elizabeth also always thinks she is smarter and better than everyone, so they are pretty equal in their pride.
Plus we are talking about a made up character, you know that right?
The perfect man who would insult your family and yourself for being poor, while asking you to marry him? Lol, he's a good Guy but his arrogance is just unbearable..
There are three things I love most about Darcy and Lizzie's relationship: respect, honesty and love of each other's intellect.
They are honest about the hurtful things the other does, but also accept that they do hurtful things themselves and BOTH try to fix it.
They love to have deep conversations, and even when Lizzie is disgusted and infuriated with Darcy, they have to be torn away from their discussions.
They respect each other's right to say no, to stay away, to their own opinions and desires.
Each grows from the other and supports the other without needing to gain anything from it. Yet it isn't complete independence either; they still are sad they aren't together, still long for the other, still think of each other consistently.
THIS is actual love. It isn't grasping. It isn't simping. It's slow and it's deep and truly giving. And often as not, sad, particularly when the people in love aren't mature enough yet to know how to love well.
I'm glad it included the sadness in a quiet way, as yes, there is often a lot of crying when you lose what you love, especially when it's looking back; but also, longer term, a quiet sense of deep loss. It's like a light has gone out. Oddly, as that light goes out, others often turn on; being loved and loving leads to learning to love yourself.
So it starts as this dark room where they care about shallow things that don't really matter; then the one light turns on, full of love for another person; then all the rest turn on, full of love for oneself and real love for the others in life. But if the person you loved is gone, that first bright corner is now dark, with little bright spots where memories shine.
Ahhh, too much. I'm glad Darcy and Lizzie got their happy ending and the way they got there, full of growth!!
I sincerely doubt you will given you've covered this version, but I'd LOVE to see your guys' take on Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. The added element of matched *physical* fighting during the proposal, and the fact there's a muuuuch bigger priority throughout the film's background, just kind of really adds something to Darcy and Elizabeth's dynamic.
Plus, it's hilarious. 😂
Mr Bennet is my favorite character, he only immerses himself in paramount matters that affect the family. He only speaks when required and doesn’t involve himself in frivolity.
Interesting take. In the book I think he is very flawed - he is bitter and takes a hands off approach that leaves his family open to ridicule and ruin. I don't care for him at all! I do think the movie makes him a more sympathetic character though.
Love st the end when papa says you really do love him. He looks so happy for her! They make same hand gestures. Great scene
"why does it work for them and not for twilight" it's just so funny how twilight has become the example of what not to do in a relationship in comparison to every other movie!
Pride and Prejudice accomplishes something soooo many rom-coms can't: making us feel her suspense. Back then, there was literally no mechanism for a woman to propose to a man. Having rejected him, she has little choice but to suffer with the growing realization that she loves him but has blown it. (Jane warns her about this when she says, "One of these days, Lizzie, something will catch your eye and then you'll have to watch your tongue." The scene when she says, "Jane, I've been so blind" you can feel her misery.