@Radagast Brown Your take is nonsense. Are you familiar with "syllogism"? Mahomes gets hurt Big Money Players, knowing Mahomes is hurt, shift to betting on Cincinnati, which shifts the betting line Therefore: Mahomes getting hurt is the reason Big money players shift to betting Cincinnati, shifts the betting line.
Most people have no idea how or why they set or move the line. It has nothing to do with the two teams who are playing, and everything to do with who the big money players are betting on.
I was giving mahomes the edge because of the mvp award the super bowl championship and 1 more afc championship. It's very close even tho Patrick has had more help over his career.
Bengals are for real. Burrow is the 2nd best Q.B in the league, he's not been shown the proper respect. It's extremely disrespectful to compare Burrow with Herbert still. Borrow went to the super bowl with worst O line for a conference championship in the super bowl Era, Herbert has one play off game, where he blew a 27-0 nothing game. It's Mahomes ,then Burrow, Allen and they are the top afc tier and no one else is on that tier.
What kills me is that in the beginning of last year not so sharpe and the rest of his corporate media advertising dollar SHILLS asked if Joe burrow was a bust - can we hear again how many championships that mahomes has actually won - oh you mean the one where he threw up a fourth and a prayer in the final minutes - you mean that championship?
Sometimes I wish there was a deeper football analysis in these discussions. The way I see it, Bengals like to play a lot of man coverage and only rush 4 against the Chiefs. Without Tyreek, they'll basically bracket Kelce on every down which means no one will be open. Mahomes' only option is to scramble which he can't really do now. I think the bettors are seeing the same scenario and betting against the Chiefs. Only way to beat that style of defense is to run the ball consistently. Pacheco is gonna have to have a HUGE game for the Chiefs to win.
@DaJuan Sampson when does kelce block please tell me the percentage of snaps he’s taken In a 3pt stance or even better tell me his career run blocking grade lol
If the bills were healthy I’d agree but the bills defense was decimated by injury. A win is still a win but I wasn’t surprised the bengals won I’m just more so surprised the replacements on the o line dominated as hard as they did
Either you had the worst ankle sprain in history or your body’s healing ability is trash. I sprained my ankle so bad I couldn’t walk but was fine 2 weeks later. Everyone’s different
Bengals fan here. It moved because of Mahomes injury. I want the Bengals to be the underdog. That's their role and they have been very successful in that role. I was very scared about the Buffalo game but I never felt more confident about the Bengals than I did AFTER the Buffalo game.
@The Wiseguys TCG The threat of his mobility is gone, thus defenses don't have to guess whether he will go mobile or not. That makes Mahomo 1 dimensional and the defense can focus all attention on that only.
@The Wiseguys TCG because his mobility helps in the pocket by tricking defenses. It matters dont be dumb. They keep edges on the side for him escaping giving him more time in the pocket
@Goodnight Munchie When you say "they" you really just meab you right because literally you're the only person that has ever said this before. It's lame and corny too.
@Third Rebirth I was thinking the exact same thing, and no one is reporting the injury is worse than expected, so to say it only because of the injury is not justified. The answer is actually D)all of the above. Cincy dominated on the road, offense looked good in snowy weather, and throw the injury in as icing on the cake
@Jay that sucks. KD had a high ankle sprain too once upon a time. Ended up worse playing on it. Idk the accuracy of what’s reported nor have I bothered to look into it. I just proposed what could have possibly move the odds line. But I appreciate the update cuz I genuinely didn’t know even almost how healthy he was after.
@Robin James Music and Reviews well if you're like me. It doesn't really matter. I don't care whether the refs had a hand in it or not. I only care if Vegas pays out...
@Roperdope felt that way . Bengals over confident burrow two picks and horrible late hit doomed them. Bengals fans saying refs lost it are beyond idiotic
While QB is the most important position, this game is gonna come down to defense. Who can make the stops and turnovers needed to win? Right now I think the Bengals have the advantage with Mahomes' injury
This is Cincy's year and the beginning of Joe Burrow's dominance! The league better be on notice that this team is stacked from position to position because of drive and fit. This is the moment that the Bengals era of football begins......
@burner trump why do people bring this up? We're top 5 in the league in cap room, never had issues in the past re-signing key guys, everybody has too pay their players lmao
Chiefs fans have a right to be confident even with an injured Mahomes. But if they lose, keep that same energy and don't turn around and use it as an excuse.
@Eric B 49ers didn't look as tough in the Cowboys game, they're definitely beatable. That being said, I hope the 🦅 Eagles destroy the 49ers! It'd be a great game between the Bengals and Eagles! From a Green 💚 Bay 💛 Packers 🏈 fan 👍🏻🍻🧀
@Jayysolit he's saying that if you're claiming your Chiefs are going to win, despite the injury, then don't use it as an excuse in the event where they lose. He's saying you can't have it both ways. If you think they'll win and it's not enough of a factor, and you're that confident, he don't want you crying if they happen to lose, because that cheapens and taints the win and accomplishments of the Bengals, which is most likely his team. Just be gracious and give credit to the Best team on that day whomever comes out victorious and have some dignity and sportsmanship, that's all. Own it if y'all lose. From a Green 💚 Bay 💛 Packers 🏈 fan 👍🏻
The national audience/bettors dictate the betting line. Cincy is FINALLY starting to get the positive press it has deserved SINCE LAST YEAR. Remember last year? The year the Bengals supposedly "just got lucky?" Remember their preseason ranking this year? Remember how the back half of Cincy's schedule this year effectively had them facing murderer's row, and they ended up beating ALL OF THEM? Had Burrow not been dealing with that horrific ruptured appendix in the preseason, the Bengals very likely would have only lost ONE GAME this season. That is the team we see now. Not a single player on the team is considered the best in the league at their position. They lost their shut down corner and 3 starting OLs for the season due to injury and are still here. Chase, Reader, Mixon, Hendrickson, and a bevy of others have been out with injuries for multiple weeks. It doesn't matter. They are still dominating...AND getting better. This is why the betting line is moving. The small market backwater team owned by the infamous curmudgeon Mike Brown is FINALLY getting noticed by the national media and gamblers across the globe.
@M Vela I thought we found out that Mahomes was Rogers 2.0, after watching the AFC championship last year. He didn't just lose, he lost ugly, and by his own hand.
@will vegas wants people to bet both sides. they just want people to bet period. sportsbooks price and adjust the line so that they always come out on top regardless of who wins
if there is anything i have learned from watching football over the years, is that basic logical assessments, especially during this time of year never ends up that way. that’s why i wasn’t surprised joe burrow beat the chiefs last year, and that’s why when the bengals look as strong as ever, and mahomes is hobbled i pick the chiefs, because when the answer seems so obvious if you follow basic logic, that’s when the opposite happens.
I personally feel like Mahomes got the real “unfinished business” like they say Tom Brady does, he not sayin much he hearing all the talk about Burrow being 3-0 against him & the noise he gone come out w/ a vengeance watch.
I think the MVP will be the d-line if the Chiefs win.. Gotta shut down the run and lean on the short passing game.. I don’t think the bedraggled Bengal Oline can hold up if you make them one dimensional..
That’s exactly what came to my mind. Bayless has been showing every Mahomes int of his career every week😂 and said he would get exposed this season. Even tyreek took a lil shot this season. I expect homes to put it all on the line this Sunday
I think it's a mixture of both. Cincinnati is a team that if you don't figure out quick your done. The cheifs are just to comfortable and have the right to be. Mahomes is injured. I have Cincinnati by 3
Speaking from experience, high ankle sprains really hurt, they take forever to heal, and it’s very easy to re-sprain the ankle. In reality, the ankle never truly heals 100%. Personally, I’ve would have preferred a fracture over a severe sprain. So I don’t know how realistic it is that he will be able to play even close to 100%, and god help him he sprains it again on Sunday
@Supersonicspyro 2577 it was actually the same foot. The team doesn’t matter. Opponent came make the game difficult but has nothing to do with his ability to get on the field and perform.
Patrick Mahomes is the greatest quarterback of all time. Not because I'm a Chiefs fan but because of what he's learned and his own intuition and he's willing to learn he learned off Alex Smith as being a game time manager, as even winning as Alex did because the odds were stacked up against the Chiefs ever since Marty Schottenheimer and before that ever since the AFL . Andy Reid is the best coach of all time it's ever come out of BYU and Sorensen you better do something like that pick six you had against the Raiders back in the day even just throwing the wide receiver out of the way from blocking you and hitting somebody Juiced up so hard they have to sit down for a play. Travis Kelsey said it Travis Kelsey knows that the rest of Ben in the pocket against the Chiefs ever since they throw a flag on Travis for anything that's why Travis knows if you're a Chiefs you have to fight for your right to party!
Chiefs actually have a run game now. I can see them winning a close game cus they can sit on a lead and run clock. But the Bengals have so much momentum, so it should be fun to watch! I love Joe Burrow. As and LSU alum, he's my fav player in the league outside Cam Jordan.
@Stratoliner5 Bengals escaped a loss to the Ravens with a backup QB in. And Jags are actually a decent team. The Jags also scored points late, the chances of them winning were pretty low. Ravens had a chance in the game until the clock hit 0.
@Charles Gerety chiefs didn’t handle anyone with ease this year. Look how many games they barely won. Bengals will smoke them for their 4 th win in a row against them.
Thing is even if they technically have a run game, is Andy Reid going too actually use it? It seldom seems he does, he may call run plays, but actually use the run game too it's fullest extent? Idk
Man I still remember ppl were clowning n calling bengals frauds at the beginning now theyre in the AFC championship game. And for KC, ppl didnt believe in this current offense but they managed to still be consistently great. This is a great match up to watch.
Cincy has been between -1.5 to -2.5 for days, the line is more in KC’s favor today more than it has been this week. Cincy was up to -136 on the ml Monday
A healthy Bengals oline still ain't as great as a healthy Mahomes. Even when the Bengals oline is healthy Burrow is still getting beat up. Im a Steelers fan but always said Bengals have to do better taking care of him and also said when the time comes Burrow deserves all the money he can get the way he keeps fighting after a beating. Again imo a healthy Mahomes is far better than a healthy Bengals oline.
I think Mahomes is the most talented QB currently in the league in terms of intangibles and skill set, but this has more to do with Burrow’s Bengals being 3-0 against KC and their dominance over Buffalo.
Bro I’m not sure how mobile Pat is but between coaching and his toughness it could be a close game. Even if he only plays a half, we saw the chiefs put up a ton on the bengals before. I’m just hoping and confident it will be a good game
It shifted because people got burned so badly by the Bills game. I bet on the Bengals for the same reasons outlined here. I was honestly shocked when they were +220 against the Bills given the talent gap between them and Buffalo. To me, they were the better team all along, but everyone keeps focusing on the standings. Now, I think more betters are starting to understand the standings don't matter when the Bengals match up so well against both the Bills and Chiefs. This led to more money going to the Bengals and that swings the line. Sure, Mahomes being injured has something to do with it, but the biggest factor is which way the money is moving.
@Allen Godfrey True but his injury is not severe enough to swing the line that much after the line had already been set. The line moves drastically if more news comes out like, lets say Mahomes was ruled out of the game tomorrow. Something like that. The line was set knowing his injury and the limitations that come with that. After the line is set, the only big variable factor at play would be where the money is being bet.
@zType Yeah for sure. Then they kept talking about Buffalo weather but it's not like they were playing the Dolphins... it's Cinci lol. As you said, easy money for sure. Good on you going with your gut and not your heart btw. That's rough but at least you got something out of the loss.
That's definitely part of it, but I do think the injury is significant. Patty's magic is that he's a really good pocket passer and the greatest playmaker EVER. if his speed and agility are even 90% that's still a big loss
Im a bills fan and I bet on the bengals after seeing how they walked down the field 3 weeks prior and our DC doesnt make adjustments... so Bengals +5.5 looked like easy money
Mahomes best to ever play nfl people just got short term memories I’m convinced most hating on him never lived to see 80s n 90s chiefs as a team may not be as good as bengals
Did KC's offensive line all sprain their ankles too? Last weekend I watched KC's backup QB march down the field 98 yards like they were playing a college team! I think this is a pick'em even line. But I would not be surprised if this is a 1-point game.
Given an opportunity, other than Cincy, no GM is picking Burrow over Mahomes if they are starting a franchise. All three games have been decided by 3 points I believe. We'll see how Mahomes' ankle holds up and see what shakes out.
And not to mention Burrow has had a better run game behind him, and a better receiving core than Mahomes all three games. Bengals also have a much better defense than the Chiefs. How people try to act like Burrow is better because the head to head record is insane.
Everybody only cares about the QBs. This game, like most, is gonna come down to the trenches. Chris Jones/Frank Clark against Cincy's O-line is going to be a huge factor. Edit: Called it
I hate agreeing with skip in any circumstances, but the KC -2.5 or -3.0 line was actually an early line set before the CIN-BUF game had even ended. After that game, the line was KC -2.0 or -1.5. So it's actually a combination of both. I think Cincy's drubbing of Buffalo got them about a point and the injury did the rest. I don't quite understand why Cincy wasn't getting more credit before the Mahomes injury though, considering KC hasn't beat them the last 3 times with a 100% healthy Mahomes including last year in the playoffs in KC. I think Cincy can get through this game, but if they don't get one or two of the o-line back, they are going to struggle against SF or Philly with those pass rushes. Burrow could be robbed of yet another SB thanks to his o-line, but at least this time it is more of a fluke due to injuries.
You guys need to understand that ankle sprains vary greatly. It looked bad but in my personal experience from being a basketball player it's the sprains where you roll the ankle that takes longer. Rolling it i was doing therapy every day for 2+ weeks on crutched and didn't feel 100% still. A minor sprain still feel pain adter 4-5 days but it's manageable especially after they shoot his ankle up. He will be fine
Update: Mahomes was a full participant in practice today so was Mecole Hardman. There are videos and clips of him jogging, jumping, etc on both feet. He looks healthier than people think. Vegas about to start swinging that line foreal.
@Joe Doe I'm just basing it off of what I saw during the media coverage of their practice. I doubt they would give him a shot during practice. They wanted to see how he was during a full practice per Andy and Mahomes. He looked pretty okay. Definitely not 100% but not as bad as we all anticipated. If he wasn't able to go Reid would have pulled him back in but per multiple reports he was a full practice participant today.
I honestly think mahomes being hurt might be bad for my bengals. Now it's uncertain how he will play. Not it's uncertain how to defend him. They say now his ankle is better than what it was . So now they have to be ready for pocket passing and mahomes running . I know we can do it. Let's go. WHO DEY
From Cincinnati, I used to skip school to see the Big Red Machine play. Calling it now, Super Bowl will be Cincinnati Vs San Francisco, we finally get our revenge. As for the K.C. Game, I will take Cincinnati by the score of 31-27.
Lines move more due to money than anything else. More money goes on one team the more the line moves to get people to bet on the other team. Vegas wants there to be as close to a 50/50 money split as possible. Has always been this way.
It’s nice to see when Skip and Unc talk about anything else besides the Cowboys, Lakers, LeBron or Brady. They get along so well when they’re not at each other’s throats 😂
@V Paint me personally I think Joe Burrow is a more reliable qb. Mahomes is great don’t get me wrong but he’s trying to be a Harlem Globetrotter sometimes🤣
@Kadeem K Ali A lot seperates them Mahomes has a MVP He might get his second this year Pat also has a finals MVP Burrow doesn't even have one Mvp and Mahomes won the first superbowl that he ever got to can't say the same for Burrow Mahomes has made it to 5 straight Afc championships and of course dont forget mahomes passed for 5,000 yds and 50 TDs in 2018 and it was his first year starting he passed for 5,000 yards this year as well which is rare in the Nfl 🤷♂️
To me it’s just like the 9ners vs the Eagles. If the betters favored San Fran and then it switched to the Eagles. Just like the Bengals, the Eagles have improved and dominated really good teams. That’s how I see it
@Flexxinchad medical care or rolls of tape or special shoes or shots ain't gonna put the strength back into that ankle. My last high ankle sprain took almost two months to get back to painless and healthy. And I wasn't running around for hours avoiding a killer pass rush, I was just walking. I rolled my ankle hard doing aerobic exercises when I was 33, it took six weeks before I had solid strength in my lateral movement. What else ya got?😐
@Bradley Brown I’ve had many different sprains to an acl tear. But you know what I didn’t have? I didn’t have top tier medical care. I didn’t have access to toradol injections and I certainly didn’t have the half a billion in resources the man has access to.
@Flexxinchad I've had a severe ankle sprain. It's actually a partially torn ligament. I could walk straight forward with some pain, but I had no lateral movement. It took weeks to begin healing. Moving without a boot and a brace works in practice, not running plays with D linemen running you down.
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Facts
@Radagast Brown Your take is nonsense. Are you familiar with "syllogism"?
Mahomes gets hurt
Big Money Players, knowing Mahomes is hurt, shift to betting on Cincinnati, which shifts the betting line
Therefore: Mahomes getting hurt is the reason Big money players shift to betting Cincinnati, shifts the betting line.
I was undecided, but these guys have made up my mind for me, I will take the Chiefs and the points.
Nope. They are wrong. It has nothing to do with either of the teams or the players. It's surprising how ignorant these guys are.
Most people have no idea how or why they set or move the line. It has nothing to do with the two teams who are playing, and everything to do with who the big money players are betting on.
If Mahomes could walk on water skip still wouldn't be impressed.
CHIEFS BACK TO THE SB BABY, GIVE 15 HIS RESPECT.
I was giving mahomes the edge because of the mvp award the super bowl championship and 1 more afc championship. It's very close even tho Patrick has had more help over his career.
@kevin vest see, even though I think Burrows is better than Mahomes, I can respect your opinion
Bengals are for real. Burrow is the 2nd best Q.B in the league, he's not been shown the proper respect. It's extremely disrespectful to compare Burrow with Herbert still. Borrow went to the super bowl with worst O line for a conference championship in the super bowl Era, Herbert has one play off game, where he blew a 27-0 nothing game. It's Mahomes ,then Burrow, Allen and they are the top afc tier and no one else is on that tier.
The chiefs have a couple of great players but the Bengals have a great unit.
@Heavy Hitta grease them jaws bot. Eagles are going to make them Chiefs little papooses super bowl
@David Gilmore It's Monday! I have no excuse....how about you? You going to be like Bill's fans! Lmao 🤣 Who dey.....DEY BE THE CHIEFS!!!! 👏👏👏👏
@Heavy Hitta and? Do you think I'm one of those types to cry. Nope. I'm proud of my boys. It's cute to see you still care
@Mike Klug DEY BE THE CHIEFS!!!!! 🤣
This aged well...
The fallout from a loss is insane. The implications from a win is insane. For both of them.
@A.T. DUB naw, they used to losing
@Bearded Swordsman
They've been running a false narrative for the last decade but you're their favorite trick-or-treat Charlie
@Gabe. Hmmm 🤔 welp sure didn't do that this time. I love how people love to capitalize on great players when they make mistakes
What kills me is that in the beginning of last year not so sharpe and the rest of his corporate media advertising dollar SHILLS asked if Joe burrow was a bust - can we hear again how many championships that mahomes has actually won - oh you mean the one where he threw up a fourth and a prayer in the final minutes - you mean that championship?
@Matt Davis that goes for any team. Patriots fans were non-existent until Brady/Bill.
Sometimes I wish there was a deeper football analysis in these discussions. The way I see it, Bengals like to play a lot of man coverage and only rush 4 against the Chiefs. Without Tyreek, they'll basically bracket Kelce on every down which means no one will be open. Mahomes' only option is to scramble which he can't really do now. I think the bettors are seeing the same scenario and betting against the Chiefs.
Only way to beat that style of defense is to run the ball consistently. Pacheco is gonna have to have a HUGE game for the Chiefs to win.
@DaJuan Sampson when does kelce block please tell me the percentage of snaps he’s taken In a 3pt stance or even better tell me his career run blocking grade lol
@PostSniper- look it up slow boy🤡🤷🏾♂️
@DaJuan Sampson you must be slow lol
Teams have tried to bracket Kelce each week without success so don't think this will be any different
@PostSniper- kelce been top 3 in block rating since 2018🤨🤡 y’all jus say anything 🤦🏾♂️
you can tell the bengals were not supposed to destroy the bills. ever since that happened everyone is broken, they dont know how to think anymore
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I think oddsmakers are in the same boat. I think this seems a pretty clear KC bet if you’re a betting man
@Robert Mercuri were they overrated when they beat KC 3 times in the last 13 months?
If the bills were healthy I’d agree but the bills defense was decimated by injury. A win is still a win but I wasn’t surprised the bengals won I’m just more so surprised the replacements on the o line dominated as hard as they did
Bills have been average for 2 months now. Detroit should have rolled them. Cinci is over rated
Sprained my ankle 7 years ago. It still hurts when it is bitter cold outside. Gonna be 17 degrees during this game.
@CgpXae Anytime😁
@T&C SURF it was a grade 2 but thanks for you internet analysis doc
@CgpXae That means you didn't have a bad ankle sprain
Either you had the worst ankle sprain in history or your body’s healing ability is trash. I sprained my ankle so bad I couldn’t walk but was fine 2 weeks later. Everyone’s different
and you are a regular person. we are talking about Patrick Lavon Mahomes II
Bengals fan here. It moved because of Mahomes injury. I want the Bengals to be the underdog. That's their role and they have been very successful in that role. I was very scared about the Buffalo game but I never felt more confident about the Bengals than I did AFTER the Buffalo game.
@Black 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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@Aaron Richmond oof sorry about your loss then
Hey kc fan here. How do you see the game playing out. Final score?
@Kadeem K Ali l ll
If Mahomes doesn’t have his same mobility that changes a lot about their offense
@The Wiseguys TCG The threat of his mobility is gone, thus defenses don't have to guess whether he will go mobile or not. That makes Mahomo 1 dimensional and the defense can focus all attention on that only.
@The Wiseguys TCG because his mobility helps in the pocket by tricking defenses. It matters dont be dumb. They keep edges on the side for him escaping giving him more time in the pocket
It literally doesnt. #1 qbr inside of the pocket. #2 outside of it. Literally.
I like the whole idea of Cincinnati playing at this level it's a beautiful thing ,going back to the games from the 1970s.
@Nightwing690 Hello, Ken's highlights are on you,talk about Ariel shows !
How is Kenny Anderson not in the HOF? its a crime.
If Burrow beats Mahomes again in back to back AFC Championship games then he has to finish it off with a Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP.
Not to be
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@Julio Hernandez wish I could say the same…
@Bigmontingyeah L logic
They’ll lose to the Niners or Eagles
Joe burrow isn’t arrogant or cocky he’s just confident in himself and he has the swag to go along with it.
@Matt B. How u Kno lol
Uh… have we watched the same Joe Burrow?
You can tell a lot about a person by the the company they keep, and Mahomes doesn't keep the best company.
Facts I remember when he beat my roll tide back in the day I said that boy got swag 🤣
@Goodnight Munchie When you say "they" you really just meab you right because literally you're the only person that has ever said this before. It's lame and corny too.
This is going to be a hellified game
@Jade Morle A LOSS IS A LOSS, that was a hellified game, should’ve never doubted mahome-boyyy
Nah. Cincy will win easily
Big Facts
u wanna bet
@Jade Morle guess what? I’m just saying it’s not going to be a hellified game lol learn to read 🏅
“A line does not move because one team looks good and the other team look bad, only an injury can swing the pendulum”
Enough Said..
@Third Rebirth I was thinking the exact same thing, and no one is reporting the injury is worse than expected, so to say it only because of the injury is not justified. The answer is actually D)all of the above. Cincy dominated on the road, offense looked good in snowy weather, and throw the injury in as icing on the cake
@Jay that sucks. KD had a high ankle sprain too once upon a time. Ended up worse playing on it. Idk the accuracy of what’s reported nor have I bothered to look into it. I just proposed what could have possibly move the odds line. But I appreciate the update cuz I genuinely didn’t know even almost how healthy he was after.
@Stephon Hopkins it’s a high ankle sprain which was reported he will be about 70% Sunday
@Third Rebirth no but mahommes original injury could just be worse than being reported is what they are implying I believe
Mahomes after his ankle sprain in 2019 next game was 446 yards and 4 td's zero picks
Not his plant leg , this is totally different..
Yes he did. And it was against a Raiders team that went 7-9 that year. Big difference between 2019 Raiders and 2022 Cincinnati
The Bengals have already beaten the Chiefs with Mahomes playing. It would only be easier for the Bengals without him.
we win
mahomes is gonna play just gonna be a question to see how good he looks do to the injury
its really feeling like a mahomes moment. on one leg leads them to victory.
@Roperdope I took chiefs -1.5 myself so I’ll take it
@Robin James Music and Reviews well if you're like me. It doesn't really matter. I don't care whether the refs had a hand in it or not. I only care if Vegas pays out...
@Roperdope felt that way . Bengals over confident burrow two picks and horrible late hit doomed them. Bengals fans saying refs lost it are beyond idiotic
@Black you still laughing
You called it...
While QB is the most important position, this game is gonna come down to defense. Who can make the stops and turnovers needed to win? Right now I think the Bengals have the advantage with Mahomes' injury
You could be right. But then again, being wrong too brings many lessons. Thanks
This is Cincy's year and the beginning of Joe Burrow's dominance! The league better be on notice that this team is stacked from position to position because of drive and fit. This is the moment that the Bengals era of football begins......
@burner trump why do people bring this up? We're top 5 in the league in cap room, never had issues in the past re-signing key guys, everybody has too pay their players lmao
Eagles this year then Buffalo next year with full health
until they have to pay everyone.
Bengals are better this year than last year. We are coming for the Chiefs.
I’d argue the chiefs are too. We have a run game now.
You can also argue the Chiefs are better this year, the numbers back it up. A whole new defense that has been shutting teams down.
We wouldn't want it any other way, bring it baby. Bengal BBQ in the kingdom.
this line just makes me feel like KC going to win
@jaleel williams nah mahomes is green. Kermits descendant
I personally would not bet on this game but allot of people betting against Mahoney which to me is pretty risky
Just wait and see if you're right, Chiefs might have a suprise win
@Goodnight Munchie one white and the other one half white 😭
Shannon just can't give a white QB credit 🚬😐
Chiefs fans have a right to be confident even with an injured Mahomes. But if they lose, keep that same energy and don't turn around and use it as an excuse.
@Austin Lilly your right. Al of this is moot and relative
@Eric B 49ers didn't look as tough in the Cowboys game, they're definitely beatable. That being said, I hope the 🦅 Eagles destroy the 49ers! It'd be a great game between the Bengals and Eagles!
From a Green 💚 Bay 💛 Packers 🏈 fan 👍🏻🍻🧀
@Jayysolit he's saying that if you're claiming your Chiefs are going to win, despite the injury, then don't use it as an excuse in the event where they lose. He's saying you can't have it both ways. If you think they'll win and it's not enough of a factor, and you're that confident, he don't want you crying if they happen to lose, because that cheapens and taints the win and accomplishments of the Bengals, which is most likely his team. Just be gracious and give credit to the Best team on that day whomever comes out victorious and have some dignity and sportsmanship, that's all. Own it if y'all lose.
From a Green 💚 Bay 💛 Packers 🏈 fan 👍🏻
So people are saying the chiefs won’t win because Mahomes isn’t healthy but chiefs fans can’t bring it up????
@Austin Lilly it isn’t a boxing rug match lol. It’s like people do forget Mahomes doesn’t play defense or special teams.
Did the walkthrough and practiced in full today. Mahomes is a full participant.
He’s one bad ankle twist/step away from Henne playing rest of season.
Loved the question and Joe's response: "what is it you're striving for Joe?" One word answer from Joe, "perfection".
The national audience/bettors dictate the betting line. Cincy is FINALLY starting to get the positive press it has deserved SINCE LAST YEAR. Remember last year? The year the Bengals supposedly "just got lucky?" Remember their preseason ranking this year? Remember how the back half of Cincy's schedule this year effectively had them facing murderer's row, and they ended up beating ALL OF THEM? Had Burrow not been dealing with that horrific ruptured appendix in the preseason, the Bengals very likely would have only lost ONE GAME this season. That is the team we see now. Not a single player on the team is considered the best in the league at their position. They lost their shut down corner and 3 starting OLs for the season due to injury and are still here. Chase, Reader, Mixon, Hendrickson, and a bevy of others have been out with injuries for multiple weeks. It doesn't matter. They are still dominating...AND getting better. This is why the betting line is moving. The small market backwater team owned by the infamous curmudgeon Mike Brown is FINALLY getting noticed by the national media and gamblers across the globe.
@Steve Dem 7 didn't the bengals lose too the rams in the Super Bowl and they SUCK. They bengals are going to let all thier fans down
@M Vela I thought we found out that Mahomes was Rogers 2.0, after watching the AFC championship last year. He didn't just lose, he lost ugly, and by his own hand.
3 number 1 receivers plus RB better win it this year
Guess their tired of losing their money betting against us
Watch, burrows is gonna let you down another Rodgers Lmfao
In the last 3 games against Cincinnati, the Chiefs have led for 94 minutes, the Bengals have led for 47 minutes. Chiefs just need to close the deal.
FACTS!! My Chiefs were almost playing the Ravens if it weren’t for a bs goal line play.
A lot of self-inflicted wounds
I’ve lived in Cincinnati all my life and the Bengals always been underdogs the city is rocking and Joe Cool is knocking 😊
Mahomes was ranked 2nd in every major statistical category INSIDE the pocket
His plant foot hurt though dude.
@Afterthoughts of Solitude lazy analysis, they just listen to other ppls reports and make analysis on that
I'm surprised these clowns didn't know it. The stats is out there.
The Bengals beat the Chiefs last season in the AFC Championship game with a healthy Patrick Mahomes
@will vegas wants people to bet both sides. they just want people to bet period. sportsbooks price and adjust the line so that they always come out on top regardless of who wins
Your point?
@Christian Scarlett lol no vegas wants the opposite
@will that’s what Vegas want people to do. Take pat Mahomes, see how quick it switched when them bets went in for cinny ml.
if there is anything i have learned from watching football over the years, is that basic logical assessments, especially during this time of year never ends up that way. that’s why i wasn’t surprised joe burrow beat the chiefs last year, and that’s why when the bengals look as strong as ever, and mahomes is hobbled i pick the chiefs, because when the answer seems so obvious if you follow basic logic, that’s when the opposite happens.
I personally feel like Mahomes got the real “unfinished business” like they say Tom Brady does, he not sayin much he hearing all the talk about Burrow being 3-0 against him & the noise he gone come out w/ a vengeance watch.
Bengals are legit guys,they can beat anybody
I think the MVP will be the d-line if the Chiefs win.. Gotta shut down the run and lean on the short passing game.. I don’t think the bedraggled Bengal Oline can hold up if you make them one dimensional..
That’s exactly what came to my mind. Bayless has been showing every Mahomes int of his career every week😂 and said he would get exposed this season. Even tyreek took a lil shot this season. I expect homes to put it all on the line this Sunday
I think it's a mixture of both. Cincinnati is a team that if you don't figure out quick your done. The cheifs are just to comfortable and have the right to be. Mahomes is injured. I have Cincinnati by 3
Speaking from experience, high ankle sprains really hurt, they take forever to heal, and it’s very easy to re-sprain the ankle. In reality, the ankle never truly heals 100%. Personally, I’ve would have preferred a fracture over a severe sprain. So I don’t know how realistic it is that he will be able to play even close to 100%, and god help him he sprains it again on Sunday
@Supersonicspyro 2577 it was actually the same foot. The team doesn’t matter. Opponent came make the game difficult but has nothing to do with his ability to get on the field and perform.
@richirich1 apparently it was the opposite foot and not his plant foot, it was also against a 7-9 raiders lol
Pat played a week later in 2019 from the same injury and went for 4 TDs.
Stupid voice text messed this up. You could step the wrong on a pebble on concrete the wrong and re-injure the injury
I agree and know that for a fact from experience just as much as you. You could read her just by stepping on a pebble the wrong way on concrete.
Patrick Mahomes is the greatest quarterback of all time. Not because I'm a Chiefs fan but because of what he's learned and his own intuition and he's willing to learn he learned off Alex Smith as being a game time manager, as even winning as Alex did because the odds were stacked up against the Chiefs ever since Marty Schottenheimer and before that ever since the AFL . Andy Reid is the best coach of all time it's ever come out of BYU and Sorensen you better do something like that pick six you had against the Raiders back in the day even just throwing the wide receiver out of the way from blocking you and hitting somebody Juiced up so hard they have to sit down for a play. Travis Kelsey said it Travis Kelsey knows that the rest of Ben in the pocket against the Chiefs ever since they throw a flag on Travis for anything that's why Travis knows if you're a Chiefs you have to fight for your right to party!
Chiefs actually have a run game now. I can see them winning a close game cus they can sit on a lead and run clock. But the Bengals have so much momentum, so it should be fun to watch! I love Joe Burrow. As and LSU alum, he's my fav player in the league outside Cam Jordan.
@Just T Ravens are division rival and Bengals lost 3 of 5 starting O-line players for that game.
@Stratoliner5 Bengals escaped a loss to the Ravens with a backup QB in. And Jags are actually a decent team. The Jags also scored points late, the chances of them winning were pretty low. Ravens had a chance in the game until the clock hit 0.
@Charles Gerety chiefs didn’t handle anyone with ease this year. Look how many games they barely won. Bengals will smoke them for their 4 th win in a row against them.
Pretty sure the Chiefs D will be on the field most of the game
Thing is even if they technically have a run game, is Andy Reid going too actually use it? It seldom seems he does, he may call run plays, but actually use the run game too it's fullest extent? Idk
Man I still remember ppl were clowning n calling bengals frauds at the beginning now theyre in the AFC championship game. And for KC, ppl didnt believe in this current offense but they managed to still be consistently great. This is a great match up to watch.
Cincy has been between -1.5 to -2.5 for days, the line is more in KC’s favor today more than it has been this week. Cincy was up to -136 on the ml Monday
As a sports bettor, I can almost guarantee that it is some hidden information about Mahomes injury.
@WildWood ?????
@usernamesrlamo
And they will let the refs do the rest.
@Nick Oatley or MJ with the flu
@will
Indeed. It will make him smarter and quicker through his progressions.
@Chris M oh trust me I’ll have a smile as wide as the Missouri River.
Makes sense to me. But Mahomes can play the underdog card now so that helps.
Both of them are great teams, this’ll be a great game. I think it’ll be a offensive matchup!
Legacy game for both QB’s. Both teams really.
Not gonna lie, I don’t know why Shannon is tweaking here. I think the Bengals defense is insanely underrated and much better than KC’s.
naw the defenses are about even. maybe slightly in favor of the bengals
Give that Bengal's Defense some credit too. They're better than they were last year, even with Larry Ogunjobi gone, and Awuzie out on injury.
I understand that mahomes is injured but we can’t forget about the bengals o-line either
@Derrick Jenkins
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@MultiJman22 I’d say the bills defense is better than the chiefs and how many times did they get to him ?
A healthy Bengals oline still ain't as great as a healthy Mahomes. Even when the Bengals oline is healthy Burrow is still getting beat up. Im a Steelers fan but always said Bengals have to do better taking care of him and also said when the time comes Burrow deserves all the money he can get the way he keeps fighting after a beating. Again imo a healthy Mahomes is far better than a healthy Bengals oline.
To suggest Mahomes can't win a game from the pocket is insane.
I think Mahomes is the most talented QB currently in the league in terms of intangibles and skill set, but this has more to do with Burrow’s Bengals being 3-0 against KC and their dominance over Buffalo.
Be favored vs the Chiefs on the road a little nuts.
Remember, Bengals were 7 point underdogs last year in this game
Bro I’m not sure how mobile Pat is but between coaching and his toughness it could be a close game. Even if he only plays a half, we saw the chiefs put up a ton on the bengals before. I’m just hoping and confident it will be a good game
If diggs leaves the bills Josh Allen turns into Carson wentz
@Edgar don’t even compare him to cam
He still better then Dak , Tua and Kurt, and Daniel Jones and Kyler midget Murray and and QB in this upcoming draft .
A white Cam newton
It shifted because people got burned so badly by the Bills game. I bet on the Bengals for the same reasons outlined here. I was honestly shocked when they were +220 against the Bills given the talent gap between them and Buffalo. To me, they were the better team all along, but everyone keeps focusing on the standings. Now, I think more betters are starting to understand the standings don't matter when the Bengals match up so well against both the Bills and Chiefs. This led to more money going to the Bengals and that swings the line. Sure, Mahomes being injured has something to do with it, but the biggest factor is which way the money is moving.
@Allen Godfrey True but his injury is not severe enough to swing the line that much after the line had already been set. The line moves drastically if more news comes out like, lets say Mahomes was ruled out of the game tomorrow. Something like that.
The line was set knowing his injury and the limitations that come with that. After the line is set, the only big variable factor at play would be where the money is being bet.
@zType Yeah for sure. Then they kept talking about Buffalo weather but it's not like they were playing the Dolphins... it's Cinci lol. As you said, easy money for sure. Good on you going with your gut and not your heart btw. That's rough but at least you got something out of the loss.
That's definitely part of it, but I do think the injury is significant. Patty's magic is that he's a really good pocket passer and the greatest playmaker EVER. if his speed and agility are even 90% that's still a big loss
Im a bills fan and I bet on the bengals after seeing how they walked down the field 3 weeks prior and our DC doesnt make adjustments... so Bengals +5.5 looked like easy money
You're very astute Max. 🧠 good work, and good luck going forward. Thanks
Skip's spitting straight facts, I'm not sure even if Mahomes is 100% healthy if the favored line would have changed much to any at all
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9:49 is exactly what I was talking about yesterday. Shannon took my exact thoughts about Burrow.
Mahomes best to ever play nfl people just got short term memories I’m convinced most hating on him never lived to see 80s n 90s chiefs as a team may not be as good as bengals
Brady is stll the best to EVER play.
Very astute comment.
Did KC's offensive line all sprain their ankles too? Last weekend I watched KC's backup QB march down the field 98 yards like they were playing a college team! I think this is a pick'em even line. But I would not be surprised if this is a 1-point game.
Funny the minute Unc said Mahomes won’t be practicing, I got a notification from B/R stating he will practice today.
@Half Man / Half Amazing ALL PHENOMENAL and just for that I’ll still call him……Unc. 😝🤣
Given an opportunity, other than Cincy, no GM is picking Burrow over Mahomes if they are starting a franchise. All three games have been decided by 3 points I believe. We'll see how Mahomes' ankle holds up and see what shakes out.
And not to mention Burrow has had a better run game behind him, and a better receiving core than Mahomes all three games. Bengals also have a much better defense than the Chiefs. How people try to act like Burrow is better because the head to head record is insane.
The bengals have to worry about not only beating the chiefs, but beating the refs. That’s hard.
The only thing that moves the line is were the moneys going
@Pratt Sandhu the money moves the line regardless of injury.
And public perception that Mahomes is severely hurt
Burrow is always the smartest guy in the room or on the field.
"Burrow can do both" bruh Mahomes can too he's always near the top in pure dropback passing
Everybody only cares about the QBs. This game, like most, is gonna come down to the trenches. Chris Jones/Frank Clark against Cincy's O-line is going to be a huge factor.
Edit: Called it
It’s gonna come down to the trenches now that Mahomes is hurt …., otherwise it’d be a shoot out defense can’t stop either QB healthy
Don't factor out the main variables of indifference. Thanks
I hate agreeing with skip in any circumstances, but the KC -2.5 or -3.0 line was actually an early line set before the CIN-BUF game had even ended. After that game, the line was KC -2.0 or -1.5. So it's actually a combination of both. I think Cincy's drubbing of Buffalo got them about a point and the injury did the rest. I don't quite understand why Cincy wasn't getting more credit before the Mahomes injury though, considering KC hasn't beat them the last 3 times with a 100% healthy Mahomes including last year in the playoffs in KC. I think Cincy can get through this game, but if they don't get one or two of the o-line back, they are going to struggle against SF or Philly with those pass rushes. Burrow could be robbed of yet another SB thanks to his o-line, but at least this time it is more of a fluke due to injuries.
Skip right again. Enough said💯💪
This game will be like Goku vs. Vegeta all over again.
@ryan lebard I personally don't have any clue what he's talking about but it sounds dorky. :P
@Greatest Nitemare ….does The fact that you understood the reference make you a dork as well 😂
Riding pretty hard there
What a dork referencing that
Sounds like the experts hyping up the Bengals like they did the Bucs against the Cowboys.
Mahomes literally ended up practicing on Wednesday. So Shannon was wrong.
Every year Shannon pick’s against us in the playoffs but rides our coattail the whole season.
@Jor'Don Williamsalways as in last year? before that you were picking high in the draft lol
@ThAaNoNyMoUs we always prove him wrong 🤷🏾♂️
Sounds like he respects the team and knows they're pretty good but recognizes the competition gets much harder in the postseason.
You guys need to understand that ankle sprains vary greatly. It looked bad but in my personal experience from being a basketball player it's the sprains where you roll the ankle that takes longer. Rolling it i was doing therapy every day for 2+ weeks on crutched and didn't feel 100% still. A minor sprain still feel pain adter 4-5 days but it's manageable especially after they shoot his ankle up. He will be fine
This is the first year for the superbowl I like all the story lines for each team. If they go on to win.
Agree 💯👍
Update: Mahomes was a full participant in practice today so was Mecole Hardman. There are videos and clips of him jogging, jumping, etc on both feet. He looks healthier than people think. Vegas about to start swinging that line foreal.
@Joe Doe I'm just basing it off of what I saw during the media coverage of their practice. I doubt they would give him a shot during practice. They wanted to see how he was during a full practice per Andy and Mahomes. He looked pretty okay. Definitely not 100% but not as bad as we all anticipated. If he wasn't able to go Reid would have pulled him back in but per multiple reports he was a full practice participant today.
He took a shot and he’s not taking hits
Anybody else notice that Skip's admiration for Burrow started when Brady stopped playing at an elite level. Anything to discredit Mahomes' greatness 🤣
@1kwgentil Yes of course
Nobody is discredit mahommes but there seems to be a guy who is ready to take mahommes throne
People can have admiration for a QB other than Maholmes
In the Words of Charlie Murphy!!!! "WRONG”
He did Practice💯
Has people forgotten Cincinnati was in the Super Bowl last year
@The Daily Bias not really relevant too whether not they can or will beat the chiefs however
I haven't forgotten that the Bengals don't have a Superbowl ring and Mahomes does.
I honestly think mahomes being hurt might be bad for my bengals. Now it's uncertain how he will play. Not it's uncertain how to defend him. They say now his ankle is better than what it was . So now they have to be ready for pocket passing and mahomes running . I know we can do it. Let's go. WHO DEY
If it wasn't for Damar Hamlin, Burrow would be 5-0 vs Allen and Mahomes.
Injuries are part of the game no excuses
Did Mahomes get injured after the line was set? I swear their game happened before the line was set. Did Mahomes play a game i didn't know about?
Have a big feeling this will be a blowout. Bengals 34 Chiefs 13
I think it's going to be a great game.
😂
Well gaaaleeeee
From Cincinnati, I used to skip school to see the Big Red Machine play. Calling it now, Super Bowl will be Cincinnati Vs San Francisco, we finally get our revenge. As for the K.C. Game, I will take Cincinnati by the score of 31-27.
Give us Skip Bayless vs Nick Wright on a Mahomes discussion! We need this
Ankle injury or not I'm rolling with MA-HOMME-BOY
Y’all forget Patrick Mahomes ran a 4.6 at the combine…
Hopefully burrow gets a ring this year
With that o-line? not happening, KCs pass rush is very weak so they shouldn't have problems, but San Fran or Philly? They'll break Joe in half.
Mahomes is already practicing.
Lines move more due to money than anything else. More money goes on one team the more the line moves to get people to bet on the other team. Vegas wants there to be as close to a 50/50 money split as possible. Has always been this way.
I hope the chiefs can get creative like for example swapping in Henne sometimes, and hopefully the running game gets going
Both will happen
The last 3 times KC was picked to beat the Bengals and we know how that went.
History doesn't have to repeat itself. Hopefully for the Bengals sake, because I don't see that they have a ring, Mahomes does.
It’s nice to see when Skip and Unc talk about anything else besides the Cowboys, Lakers, LeBron or Brady. They get along so well when they’re not at each other’s throats 😂
They still brought up Brady 😬
Patrick Mahomes is some Cheese …. 🏈
I hope people realize this is a legacy game for Mahomes. If he loses again to Joe Burrow I mean damn.
@권이 I agree with you! Mahomes is great! Joe Burrow is just a bit better in my opinion and give Burrow in Mahomes spot and he out does him.
@V Paint me personally I think Joe Burrow is a more reliable qb. Mahomes is great don’t get me wrong but he’s trying to be a Harlem Globetrotter sometimes🤣
@Kadeem K Ali A lot seperates them Mahomes has a MVP He might get his second this year Pat also has a finals MVP Burrow doesn't even have one Mvp and Mahomes won the first superbowl that he ever got to can't say the same for Burrow Mahomes has made it to 5 straight Afc championships and of course dont forget mahomes passed for 5,000 yds and 50 TDs in 2018 and it was his first year starting he passed for 5,000 yards this year as well which is rare in the Nfl 🤷♂️
@Tony Sopranoeah…it’s one Super Bowl that separates him….when he looses to Cincy…that’ll be 4 times….then what people gonna say????😅😅😅
Joe Burr is for real.
I didn't watch the segment but if they said anything other than Mahomes' injury then they're nuts.
Apparently everyone forgot Mahomes beat a team in 13 seconds...
Honestly I know for betting purposes the favorite matters but I think even if a healthy pat was available would still be up in the air.
To me it’s just like the 9ners vs the Eagles. If the betters favored San Fran and then it switched to the Eagles. Just like the Bengals, the Eagles have improved and dominated really good teams. That’s how I see it
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Mahomes looked good at practice today.
@Flexxinchad medical care or rolls of tape or special shoes or shots ain't gonna put the strength back into that ankle. My last high ankle sprain took almost two months to get back to painless and healthy. And I wasn't running around for hours avoiding a killer pass rush, I was just walking.
I rolled my ankle hard doing aerobic exercises when I was 33, it took six weeks before I had solid strength in my lateral movement.
What else ya got?😐
@Bradley Brown I’ve had many different sprains to an acl tear. But you know what I didn’t have? I didn’t have top tier medical care. I didn’t have access to toradol injections and I certainly didn’t have the half a billion in resources the man has access to.
@Flexxinchad I've had a severe ankle sprain. It's actually a partially torn ligament. I could walk straight forward with some pain, but I had no lateral movement. It took weeks to begin healing.
Moving without a boot and a brace works in practice, not running plays with D linemen running you down.
@Bradley Brown the fact that he could move without a boot and brace is a damn miracle
"we talkin' 'bout practice"
Joe Burrow will win MVP after starting 0-2 and not even being considered early on🏆 that’ll probably be another record 😮💨
Much respect for Shannon but team’s performance can change the line because bengals look so dominant