I was one of the animators for Spiderverse, and it was simultaneously the proudest thing I've worked on and the hardest and most stressed out project. I'm so glad you guys enjoyed it, and even during internal viewings I've teared up a few times. Happy to answer questions if there are any.
I don't really have a question, just wanted to say it's really cool of you to answer questions like this on YT. Into the Spider-verse was the Peak of Spider-Man presentation, and gave Miles Morales the mainstream introduction he really deserved. For your contribution to that, I sincerely thank you, and the many people you worked with to bring this movie to life. Hope you're also working on the sequel, I'm hopping in my seat waiting for it.
@SomeJellyKid Hi! Thank you very much for your kind words! We did our best, and I’m so glad it showed, and made such an impact on people. You pose a few VERY good questions 🥲. I’ll answer the easy one first. I loved drawing as a kid. My cousins introduced me to anime when I was 5? 7? Before I knew it I was copying an Inuyasha or Card Captors screenshot from tv with pencil to paper, and that kept on for a while. Then I came across Final Fantasy 9 and subsequently 10 and 10-2, and watching Final Fantasy Advent Children was what sealed the deal of ‘’man I really wanna be able to create these super cool cinematics’’. There was a period of time in high school where that desire was tempered by practical majors to take like coding or engineering, and then I rediscovered that I just want to do arts for a living. It had gone from ‘cool cinematic’ to ‘concept art’ for some time after my new resolve (jr. year in high school I think), and then back to ‘cool cinematic’ i.e. animation, when I was looking at art schools for practical reasons. There are more animation jobs than there are concept art jobs, and in animation school I learned the hard way that I really wasn’t cut out for concept art. So animation it is. So…in a very longwinded response, tl;dr: passion, want, a sprinkle of ‘’I must do what I have to do”, and a dash of pragmatism goes a long way in wanting to stay in the industry. Also, the people you work with on a day to day basis, in general, are wonderful. It’s not a formal industry, and you get to have fun, and goof off, and be a kid in an adult’s body in between deadlines. They’re all there doing OT with you, and being burnt out, and hitting rock bottom with you. That hasn’t changed since animation school through to now in all the studios that I’ve worked at. The crew definitely helps keep things sane. I have to preface that I’ve been very fortunate in my decade long career that I haven’t experienced sexual harassment as a female in this industry, but it is a prevalent issue, and something to beware of if you are female. As for burnout…well…it was an inevitable thing for me. I’m sure there are people in the industry who manage to avoid it, and major kudos to them. Long hours and unpaid overtime is difficult to avoid with looming deadlines paired with, at times, poorly planned project timelines, or yourself. If you’re poor at managing your time to hit deadlines, then that’s a one way ticket to overtime. Depending on which studio you work at, it’s going to happen. Games, TV, VFX especially. If you’re lucky, the studio pays overtime and feeds you dinner. I don’t have a rosy answer for you in how I deal with it. I don’t think it’s pretty for anyone. Since there is no way for you to control the work situation, and assuming you’d want to follow through with the project or contract, the best you can do is to prepare for the inevitable as much as possible. Have very supportive friends and family, work friends you can vent to, and if you can afford it, therapy. But I think, it comes down to what you want out of this career. The grind is real if you want to work at studios like Sony, Disney, Pixar, Blue Sky, Blizzard, Playstation, etc, etc. If that’s what you really want, I think your drive and support network will sustain you for a while. If you’re in this for being super creative, and you aren’t really focussed on big name studios, there are lots of places that treat you well, and keep your work-life balance in mind, and still make cool stuff. It was a lot of hard self-reflecting after Sony Imageworks, if I wanted to continue being there or not. That was the most burnt out I’ve ever been. My husband, friends, therapy, and the current studio I work at really helped in recovery. The work-life balance is great, I’m valued as a team member, and I’m still working on awesome titles (Hogwarts Legacy, Gears of War, Mario Strikers, etc). Everyone’s path is different though! I’m sure if you’re able to talk to another animator, they’ll have a different story so take all this with a grain of salt. There are plenty of animator jobs floating around! Just be prepared to move to one of the animation hubs (CA, TX, Vancouver, Montreal, etc) since it looks like a lot of studios are now reverting their work from home policy. Also, keep up the work you’re doing! The upside to the industry is the barrier to entry is low, just gotta persevere. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Hi! (idk if you're still able to respond to this thread since ik animators be hella busy, but I'll give it a shot) You and the rest of the Spiderverse team really knocked it out of the park with this one. Seriously shot up to one of the biggest inspirations for how I'd like to be able to animate in the future. Thank y'all for pouring your hearts and souls into such an amazing movie. 💙 ANYWAY, I was wondering how you'd deal with burnout? What's your motivation for getting into the industry and staying even when things got tough? (Some background if you have time) I'm in college rn (not for art or animation) and would love to be able to become an animator or storyboard artist. It's a huge risk given the nature of the industry, but it's one I'm willing to take. It'll definitely be harder since I'm trying to build my skills and portfolio/reel largely on my own. All this is to say that even though animation has been my passion, I'm afraid of being unequipped to handle the pressure of stepping into such a terrifying industry, so I'm wondering how you've dealt with it given your experience.
The scene where Miles' dad is telling him he supports and loves him through the door makes me cry every time. The first time I saw this movie I had a really strained relationship with my dad and I knew that it was something that he would say and had been saying but I just hadn't heard it. I broke down crying in the theater during that interraction.
Hugs man. That scene makes me tear up too. I love how they use the fact that miles can't speak to make his father believe he's holding a grudge. And his father doesn't get angry or leash out, but he humbly explains himself and basically let's Miles go. It's such a good storytelling trick
Something I like to point out is that when Miles leaps off the building, he pulls some of the glass off, and we know that he sticks to things when he's scared/nervous. So it's not like he's not scared when he jumps, he's just stepping through the fear.
After all, courage is not the lack of fear but the persistence through the fear. It’s the fact that you keep doing something when you are afraid that proves how courageous you are!
My favorite thing about the greatest shot in cinema history is the glass shattering when he leaps from the building. He wasn't relaxed. He wasn't ready. But he still jumped.
Miles going on the roof then going back down the steps is my favorite joke in the movie because of how realistic it is anyone could relate to that it's amazing
Fun fact: The trick Miles does in climax isn't from Peter B or Gwen. He learned that from Peter A. I always took that as the movie showing that Miles is now the Spiderman of that universe.
Okay so this is a known fact huh, I just noticed it now while watching this after Gwen and peter B had that "did we teach him that" talk. I was like wait that move looked familiar
@8unnylover I think it was a scene that just stuck out to me when Peter A first did it, so I was able to recognize it within my first viewing that Miles copied.
The fact that it’s NOT Peter’s important lesson that unlocks Miles’ power, but his imperfect father admitting his imperfection and offering a simple, beautiful encouragement, WHOO. There’s some real power in humble parenting
absolutely. even when the turn tables when miles goes to throw peter back to his universe. even peers and mentors need to be reminded of their good advice because in the midst of a chaotic event sometimes we forget. because were human. also i love that there is an unspoken "grounding" of all people spiderperson or otherwise. no matter how accomplished you may feel you are, sometimes you need that outside look or advice from someone outside the storm to navigate it with clarity
@Blaine Donahue Miles doesn’t lose his father in the comics. His uncle dies in their first fight and his mom passes away later. Miles’s dad blamed Spider-Man for both deaths and didn’t react well when miles revealed his identity. Although this all got retconned after the incursions where they made miles apart of the main 616 universe and revived his family.
The chromatic aborrition they used also replicates how sometimes old comics were printed a bit off, so small mistakes would make the different colors print at an offset from the lineart.
What really gets me is the shot were we see the glass tear away as Miles makes the leap. Miles sticks to things when he’s terrified, and he can’t unstick until he relaxes. He is completely and totally terrified when he leaps, but he finds the mental and physical strength to tear himself away from the glass. This time, he chooses to leap despite the fear, he doesn’t fall by accident like the first time.
"It's good to have role models. It's good to have people you look up to. But you can't just ape someone's style or the way do things because at best you'll always be a cheap imitation or passable imitation...what you have to contribute to the world is what YOU bring to it." What a great message for everyone, young and old! We usually give this kind of message to teens as they're still figuring out who they are, but even as adults we continue to try to become those we look up to instead of learning from them. Thanks, Cinema Therapy!
that's why I like the movie miles so much better honestly. comic book miles always felt like a cheap copy in some ways. this became especially apparent, when they decided to put both peter and miles spiderman into the same universe, both alive and both being spider-man. made very little sense to me honestly. if they want them to share a world, then miles needs to rebrand. peter will always be prime spider-man. they need to give miles his own spider-title, if they want them to co-exist in the same universe.
Exactly! Is it smart to look at what the greats have done before you? Of course. Draw inspiration and don’t reinvent the wheel. But making a craft or skill your own in the end is key.
Honestly my favorite part of the scene that builds into the best shot in cinema history. Aunt May was sitting there, Aunt May knew the whole time he was going to make it that he was going to be there. She had absolute faith in Miles, a kid she had known for a few hours at most a kid who was in way worse shape than Peter was when he got his powers ((Peter is typically tail end of Highschool when he gets his powers, Miles get it just starting Highschool so he's actually one of the most powerful as it also affected his development and skyrockets the power he gets but that's not important here)) May just knew he'd make it, that look the tea in her hand. She had one of the things you need when you have those role models, absolute knowledge that you'd make it, that no matter what happened, how you fell or how you bent and broke, that you would make it.
She literally says "Took you long enough." lol she was just waiting, she knew he was coming. What I like about that moment is that Aunt May doesn't know Miles personally. She doesn't know what he's going to do.... but she knows Spiderman... and Spiderman was gonna show up.
I think it got said in one of the interviews for the movie that they chose to flip the shot of him falling to make it show how he was rising up and becoming his own spiderman instead of just imitating the others.
Aaron's death as Prowler is definitely Miles' Uncle Ben moment. With great power comes great responsibility, and to resist the temptation to use that power for selfish ends.
@Ana Ng And the pinocchio there was so lovingly unhinged, I felt more things by the end of the movie than feeling like he'd stab me in a game of hide and seek he's just a twerp
I’m 29 and I still struggle with comparing myself to other people. When I saw this movie originally, I’m not gonna lie, I completely ignored the messaging. I was so enthralled with the story that the deeper message flew over my head completely. Watching this cinematherapy recap is something I had no idea I needed. This is probably my new favorite video you guys have done because of how much it speaks to me personally.
Can we also appreciate how this movie stressed the importance of becoming a mentor? Even when you are not perfect? Or going through something rough? Do it. Find something your passionate in and do it. You won't regret it. It will be one of the best leaps of faith you ever make.
I really appreciate mentors who are suffering and going through their own pain, but out of some sort of goodness, put that aside for the sake of someone else who could use help or guidance.
The “Ben day dots” you guys were referring to are also known as half-tone! They’re very popular for shading and lighting in black & white works! Good video btw guys! I love your stuff!
@BetterLateThanNever BUT BUT! The early comics didn't always use the proper ink saturation or lines per inch due to how cheap they were running everything. Hence, Lichtenstein making his pop derivative works that didn't properly credit the source artists. (Hell, even more current ones. Dark Horse was running the interiors of their Usagi Yojimbo books at... 120 lines per inch if I'm remembering correctly, and the cover was maybe 150? Been over a decade since we switched to direct to plate, so I don't remember all the stuff from imaging the films. Other than maintaining the film imager sucked, cleaning everything when the density dipped was awful, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with gallons of developer chemicals anymore. I could probably check if I can find the line-screen measuring tool we used to have and if any of the film hasn't been recycled yet. Manga halftones that are not camera shot or created in a vector program are the Devil's dandruff and I hate them.)
Ben Day dots are clearly what the animation team are trying to reference, since most comic books of that era used flat blacks for their line art rather than halftones (although of course, it's a big industry, there are always exceptions, but screen printing was a far too lengthy and expensive process for most comics). They wound up using different sizes of dots to make the effect read more efficiently, so it's not TRUE Ben Day, but like... c'mon, we know that's what they are trying to evoke, and it's not screen printing. I mean, if you're using proper ink saturation while screen printing, you don't even see the dots in a final screen print piece, you only see the dots on the screen! ;) And don't get me started on manga halftones, they don't even all use circular dots!
Back in 2018 I just saw the trailer of Spiderman in the spider verse, the 'falling up' scene literally got stuck in my head, and finally when I watched the movie this year and afterwards watched your amazing video, I can relate so much with miles, I am myself turning 15 tomorrow and your advice is what I really needed and am grateful for. Thankyou so much! Omg thankyou everyone for your wishes 🥺
Happy belated birthday! Wishing you all the best, being 15 is quite the challenge, but rewarding. You're probably returning to school from the holiday break soon, you'll do great!
If it hasent been mentioned yet i love the detail of Miles still not being 100% confident so he still sticks and breaks the glass before the leap of faith.
I see it as him being ready to be spider-man doesn’t magically make him being good at spidermaning. he’s still physically not used to it with all the muscle memory stuff, so his hands still latch on the glass very tightly. And you can also see that when he reached the reactor, taking off his mask and panting. doing stuff that you’re not used to will make you tense up and the adrenaline speeds up your blood circulation, leading to a higher ventilation rate
There is also the detail of how Miles gets to the ceiling in the climax, where Peter B and Gwen say they didn't teach him that, it's the exact method Miles' Peter got up there in the first act. Where Miles is learning, not just from the people who taught him, but the people he idolized too; that even though he is more confident and more of his own individual, he is still filling Spiderman's shoes and trying to fit his hero's shadow. It's a great acknowledgement of personal growth while admitting he is still a kid with some growing left to do. It's also a great moment of Miles picking his mentors and his lessons, learning what he needs to know and making it part of him.
Ah, damn it. That scene where Miles is tied up and his Dad is talking to him through the door just brought me to tears. Wanting so hard to connect with his son, just wanting his son to know he loves him, and realizing he shouldn't push Miles to say it back
The way that Miles webswings is unique to him. Peter B.’s is more relaxed because he has been webswinging for so long. People are saying that he swings more like Chris Pines’ spidey, but I think he is more like his uncle. He didn’t webswing a lot, he mostly did a lot of parkour around the buildings.
Beyond the comic aesthetic, I also love the way this movie respects and imitates the style of graffiti, especially since graffiti is considered a "low" art form. And the texture actually isn't Ben Day dots, it's CMYK halftones! Ben Days are all uniform in size (think Andy Warhol), whereas halftones gradiate (I'm citing CinemaWins on this one).
Miles is such a well written character that has earned his place in our hearts. I do hope we see more of this version of Dr. Octopus, I was surprised when she revealed herself.
My favorite little detail on that amazing shot is the glass breaking, it's super dramatic, and shows that he wasn't just over his fear, he was scared and couldn't unstick from the window so he just broke it off as he took his leap, so amazing
Theres a saying i like when it comes to comparing yourself to others: Don't compare your Behind the Scenes with someone's Highlights. I feel it says completely what people do not realize what they are doing when comparing.
I really want these guys to do a Treasure Planet episode. There's so much to talk about both in the therapy side with losing a father at an early age and how it effects people to the amazing deep canvas technology that made cgi and hand drawn animation flow to perfectly together.
I almost cried in theaters when Aaron admit his mistakes to Miles, he didn't want to dissappoint... I had to rewatch the movie again before eatching this video. It's the 3rd or 4th rewatch
I have to say that the whole scene, "What's Up Danger" is so powerful. It is the best scene ever in my opinion, compared to the climax of a lot of movies nowadays. The hype song, the visuals, the adrenaline rush the viewer gets, it's all top-notch art!
The fun part about that "I didn't teach him that...and you definitely didn't" part is that he learned that move from Chris Pine's Spiderman. Love this movie, so many of those great details!
@AllThingsShaunda&Books they even mentioned in this very video that Chris Pine voices the "original", blonde Peter Parker. But good on you being confidently wrong.
He was taught, just not the way we imagine being taught. Anyone can be a teacher without even knowing it. When someone looks up to you, there's a chance they're also learning from what you do and how, especially if you're someone like spideyboi huh
This movie makes me sob like a baby. It really is such an inspiring film to trust yourself and your abilities, something I’ve struggled with for so long
I kind of low key loved that Miles powers were based on his strengths and fears (imo). He wants to hide away from expectations and the eyes of the people around him, but he’s also got this electric personality with explosive creativity just dripping off him. He’s got so much potential, but he wants to hide from it (he doesn’t know how to use it or even that it’s there in some cases) and you see that in his super powers and how sporadic and uncontrollable they are for him. Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk, I hope you enjoyed my mini theory.
YES, FINALLY YOU DID IT! WHEN I SAW THE NOTIFICATION I SMILED REALLY HARD AND STARTED JUMPING FROM EXCITEMENT. this is my favorite movie ever, i feel so related to it and cant watch it without crying. Its also the movie that got me to finally decide and go study animation, so thank you so much for reacting to it, guys, loved the video.
Literally am in the middle of a certification/interview on the final step over several days. I’m with people 20+ years my senior trying for this job, and literally cried for 20 minutes feeling so much worse than everyone around me. Took a brain break and watched this video. Just what I needed. Thank you. ❤
22:08 One other thing about this entire sequence is that it not only shows Miles lingering nervousness (the glass breaks when he pushes off of it meaning he didn't fully 'unstick') but he doesn't straight up swing everywhere like the original Spider-Man or any of the others for that matter. Over the course of his entire traversal from the first building to the overlook, he only shoots five webs. He uses it to get altitude and speed, but a large portion of his motion is running, jumping, and parkour. After all, he 'runs better than he swings'.
Something to note: that move at the end that neither Peter nor Gwen taught him was actually the move he saw his original Peter doing at the beginning. Except now he’s adapted and mastered it on his own.
An excellent analysis comes from sideways music channel where the big moment where he leaps of the building. It's not just a hip hop song (which represents Miles regular identity) Its not just the spider man theme (that's been built up with each spider character) And there's also a tiny motif when Miles is doing something spidery. That moment he leaps is all 3 pieces of his musical identity tied together.
He put his own flare into it, while still respecting where he got it from. However that's not the only cool thing about those parallel scenes. The other cool thing is the inversion of colors. Peter was the only color in an environment that seemed rather grayscale, meanwhile miles did it as the only dark item in am environment of colors.
I can't thank you enough for this channel. I really had a very bad day today. Nothing could make me smile nothing , only you guys reacting so beautifully explaining things up. Just feels like i wish people would talk like that in real life too. I wish people would understand and love and respect others like this. And an animated movie can never go wrong to make one smile. I truly thank u. 💕today you saved me. ❤️:(
I love the moments in commentaries when a scene is so gripping none of the hosts talk through it. I myself just wanted to put this on the background and sat through the whole thing. Spider-verse IS THAT FILM
Thanks for covering this masterpiece. Saw a ten year old kid sing Sunflower at karaoke this week. Cheered like it was Argentina playing football. His little grin when he was done and walked back to his parents was everything. Films really do help form and inspire.
24:40 Notice how Miles uses almost the same moves as the OG Peter Parker in the beginning to get to the top to stop the machine… but with a certain Miles flair to it all. LOVE all the visual storytelling reinforcing Miles’ discovery and growth as his own person.
Miles is the insecure everyperson here. He's in way over his head and has only the most vague idea of his purpose. But he rises to the occasion and not only decides to the do right thing, he explodes into the role. He has no idea what to do at first, but his first thought is to do GOOD. It's one reason why I love this movie. Miles knows what heroes are. Spiderman, his dad, the dedicated cop, his mom the medical professional. Miles knows what good IS, he just needs to figure out what good he can do.
And it's kinda validating that the entire time he has a support system. He has the spider support and the familial support. It's not an easy thing to do even with that. But it's validating that sometimes change comes from not just a demand for it, but because you have enough that you can choose it, that you aren't doing it out of desperation but because you want to do good, to do better. There's not enough of those stories out there.
Honestly he feels like one of the most accurate depictions of the emotions and trials of a teenager trying to come into who they are, against the opposition of who they were expected to be. Gets right into those feels.
@Infernez Zenith I'm always gonna be a Peter fan personally, but I still strongly believe that Miles will end up being a better Spider-Man purely for the fact that he enjoys being a hero. Like Nightwing is a better Batman, and Wally West is a better Flash than Barry, these legacy heroes has something that their role models don't have. They don't need to worry about gaining the people's trust the way the original has to, they get the benefit of having more resources before they even start out, and they get to learn from the mistakes their mentors make. If your student doesn't become better than you after you teach them, then frankly you're not a great teacher. I'm sure people will have different preferences for the type of story and character they prefer, but that's always gonna be how it is. What I'm saying is, if Marvel nurtures Miles' growth in popularity, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up becoming more popular than Peter. Remember the JLU cartoon? Wally was the Flash for an entire generation or two, and could've stayed that way if DC didn't get nostalgic for Barry. That's the type of potential I'm talking about.
@Bombastic Catman Miles in the comic has little in resemblance to the miles depicted in this film, but that is beside the point. We have no idea of what Miles' Spiderman's origin story is. We know the Remi film's origin story and many comic version story, but not this Spiderman's story. Which is just fine, we just need to acknowledge we know nothing about this Spiderman other than he was well-liked and died. I think a key thing in this film's Spiderman is that this is a kind-of-sorta passing of the torch, but it is difficult to tell. We have another Spiderman, and whatever his origin story is, who acknowledges and mentors Miles. Miles is a good kid, but also stands on the shoulders of the previous Spiderman, using him as a role-model. A role model Peter didn't have. Peter Parker literally defines what it is to be Spiderman to Miles, as he is that world's first. If we accept that both original Spiderman has the same Uncle Ben dies story( we have couple reason to believe they share the same story), then that changes a few things, I think. Does that excuse Peter's selfishness? No, and it costs Peter as you point out - but these are two different characters with different temperaments, backstories, and family relations. I think the enjoyment of the two stories comes down to which you enjoy more: Peter: A person who isn't inherently virtuous, but learns to be better through effort and errors. Miles: A person who is inherently virtuous and has a role model in the previous incarnation of Spiderman to further help guide him. There is nothing wrong with either of these story lines, but to say that one is "Better" than the other seems a point of subjection based on the execution of each story. We also don't have a great idea of how Miles views being Spiderman in 'Into the Spiderverse" as he's been Spiderman for a couple days. It has impacted his life, but he hasn't had a chance on screen to really internalize it. We'll get to know him more in the second one, to which I look forward to.
This movie got me through Middle School. It was my very first exposure to Spider-Man and where I discovered my love of animation. When I saw "What's Up Danger", I couldn't help by smile and be proud of Miles becoming his own Spider-Man. I still rewatch this movie to this day and can never be bored of it. I'm so excited for the next movie
Fun thing that has probably already been said in the comments: in the script for the “What’s Up Danger” scene, it says “Miles isn’t falling through the frame, he’s rising” and that single line is so powerful and it just adds to the amazing scene
I love the distinct ways that every Spider-Man moves. Peter B moves like we'd expect of Spider-Man in a fight, but he uses his powers in super mundane ways, like when he uses his webs to ring the doorbell or saunters down the side of a building. Gwen is like a ballerina, she even has ballet shoes in her suit, and she has these really cool flourishes and grace in her movement. Noir relies mostly on hand-to-hand fisticuffs instead of his powers and Ham obviously uses cartoon slapstick liberally. And when Miles finally comes into his own, his style is entirely unique to all of them, even Blonde Peter: it's more like parkour. He wall runs and hops on buses and relies less on purely swinging and more on getting from one surface to the other. He hasn't had a lot of practice swinging with his webs, but he's had practice with finding ways to parkour over walls and fences in the city (as seen when Aaron shows him a new spot to tag), so he relies on that and uses his new powers to supplement it. I find that so incredibly cool.
Peter Parker and Miles Morales’ relationship has become my favorite thing about Spider-Man. Peter so often carries so many burdens on his own to the point that it borders on martyrdom. But when Miles came along, he simply couldn’t do things alone because someone else needed him. On the other hand, Miles brings a new layer to the Spider-Man ethos. He’s youthful, extroverted, and comes from a completely different background and culture. He has a much stronger support system that he is more than willing to protect. And because of that, Miles is very invested in Peter’s well-being and I LOVE that. Miles Morales is just the best. He’s my favorite character.
@Jonathan Wolfe isn't it comforting that the hero who properly kicked off the modern superhero movie is also the one who does it so well in both it's current iterations? Isn't it odd that the studio that produces this, is also the one who misunderstands every single thing about that same superhero?
@Tariq Thomas I fell off the comics in the early 00s. We used to call him 'lil emo spider'. But that's the benefit of adaptation: you can cherrypick from decades of trial runs
@B Oh yeah no totally. That’s another reason why I love the Peter/Miles dynamic because it actually feels NEW for Peter’s character. Peter Parker (or moreso his writers) keep fumbling his love life to the point that it’s gotten old. His villains aren’t new anymore and the stories have been retold and reduxed to death. But Peter Parker mentoring a kid that’s both so different yet so similar to him actually forces him to grow. That being said, the Spidey comics haven’t been great for years now (for Peter or Miles really). I’m honestly starting to prefer movie, film, and video game content far more than the comics.
Your comment just made me realise something... As a hero, Spidey can be hit and miss. With a lot of misses when not written very well. But as a mentor, Peter always excels! And through the exact same things that can easily make him annoying: his self doubt, sometimes reaching into self-pity, his occasional dislike of the responsibility he can not help but hoard, his "I'm so funny hahah" wit.... Not only will he feel the immediate responsibility for the wellbeing of his mentee, It all means that no matter what his pupil is telling himself, Pete has told himself much worse. Butt then talked himself out of it, so he knows what works. And that he knows that sometimes you need a soft hug, sometimes you need a thumbs up whole playing catch, other times you need your legs swept so hard your body inverts momentum and you fly up in the air.
Whoever is in charge of the subtitles is amazing. When talking about the shot that's getting all amped up and then ends with him going back down the stairs, on the stairs the subtitles read "Squeaks of nope". I was dying 😂😂
These videos do SO MUCH for my mental health and they've taught me so many lessons. Whenever I need to reflect upon something I've done or am going to do the lessons from these videos ALWAYS help me do what's right for myself and for others. Thank you to cinema therapy for that and also for helping me annoy the f** out of friends and family by constantly talking about film techniques during movies. 💜💜
21:26 another thing I love about this scene is the glass breaking when he jumps. Earlier in the movie when Miles is stuck to Gwen's hair she tells him to relax to let go, but his anxiety wouldn't let him. In the same sense when Miles takes his leap of faith, he's too scared to let go of the building, but he breaks through the fear and jumps anyway by pulling the glass down with him.
I’m coming here with my humble opinion that Miles is falling up is a symbol 24:01 that you’re going to have to do things that are terrifying for you, but even if is scary to give the step those are the only that are going to impulse you to succeed. Okay, now I’m going to cry because I relate
Spider-Verse was such an incredible take on a Spiderman film. All the other films so far have hammered on "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility." This one touched on it, but it had a different nuance. Each of the Spider-Beings in the film were the first/original in their universe to have been bitten. They all had to come to an understanding of their powers on their own, and they came to shoulder the great responsibility naturally over time. Miles was not the first. He had a predecessor. So it makes sense that his motivation is different too - he knows he has a great responsibility. He's seen it. It's such a great responsibility, it probably felt crushing to think about. An extremely experienced and seemingly invincible Spider-Man was all he'd ever known, and he was suddenly asked to step into his shoes after he was finally defeated. It makes sense that he would feel like a child amongst adults sometimes, and feel like he is not being treated as an equal. It makes sense that overcoming his own Great Expectations is his personal battle, not growing into his Great Responsibility.
@Mackie Lunkey OMG that’s a good catch. MCU Peter fell into that trap even with his predecessors being right there! Miles managed to dodge a moral bullet!
It's a great reversal. His elders - parents, teachers, mentors - all impress upon him a mountain of responsibility. They see his potential but they express it as "expectations". You must do this thing or you will not be what you should. The thing they are able to accomplish with Miles as a successor is that the other spiders got the power and had to learn responsibility. In their own ways his father and teachers did too. He already gets that. But he doesn't yet know himself. Even when he has his powers he doesn't really know what he can do. That act of becoming is the reversal: acquiring the *power* to take up his *responsibilities* and achieve them in his own way. He is his father's son, but not. He is Spider Man, but not. But those differences, the things that are not, do not make you less. They make you custom suited for the story ahead of you.
@msk the quote which originally appeared in Amazing Fantasy #15, the correct phrasing is "aware at last that in this world, with great power must also come-great responsibility!" Only the movie "No Way Home" quotes it accurately, and none of the other movies say "ought." Like you said,"ought" suggests a choice, like it's the way it should be but not necessarily the way it is. The correct quote uses "must" meaning there is no choice. It is imperative that Spider-Man use his/her powers responsibly, which Spider-Man in all iterations/universes ends up learning when they lose their loved one.
25:59 Thing I love here: Sometimes we forget our own lessons, and need someone to say the thing we know back to us so we remember. I can't even count how many times I've told people it's okay to rely on others and ask for help, and then turned around and tried to solve my own problems all by myself.
I can highly relate to the whole "comparing yourself to a role model and it being bad" thing. Storytime! My sister is one of my biggest role models, and has been since at least kindergarten. When I was in first grade (probably 2ish months in) I skipped into second. I barely saw anyone from my first grade class, and had a hard time getting to know my new classmates. Consequently, I was friendless. So, I decided to focus on academics. My sister had excelled at school, and I made it my goal to beat her. It was probably around 5th grade that I realized it was unhealthy. I had set all my goals relative to her achievements, and we did all the same sports, too, making it even worse. I had set all these unreasonable expectations for myself, putting her on a pedestal at the same time, and it was hurting both of us. Now I'm in 8th grade, and I still struggle with not comparing myself to her. I don't really know how to figure out what goals I should reach for, because I never learned. It really sucks. Still, I've gotten closer to her, and I feel so much more free to be myself. sorry that was so long! if you're still reading, um... hi. thx for letting me vent lol. have a cookie :) byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Wow. First-time viewer and now subscriber! Being a therapist, huge comic geek ,and a father of a 3 year old girl, I can't believe I'm only finding this channel. I seriously lost count on how many times I had to hold back the tears watching this reaction vid. It just hit me in the feels repeatedly. Bravo! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
As an animation major I am OBSESSED WITH THIS MOVIE even when it came out while I was finishing high school, I could not get enough of it!! I would download it on Netflix to watch it during classes, outings, anywhere if I wasn’t at home!! (I also learned that way that there’s a limit to how many times you can download a movie on Netflix for a YEAR and I used it up in less than half a year 😅😅) How Miles becomes Spider-Man is my favorite thing ever. The leap of faith, his new found confidence fighting alongside his spider friends- it’s so amazing to watch and experience over and over again
Fun fact: when Gwen says, "I didn't teach him that, and you definitely didn't," Miles just did the move that Peter Parker (Pine) did in their first scene together.
I KNOW RIGHT???! XD even when blondie peter didn't get to actually teach miles, miles still learned something from him, so he DID teach him something my heart
I cry every time I watch this movie multiple times. What a masterpiece. Also, the moves that Miles does at the collider before the "We taught him that, right?" is a callback to Chris Pine's Spiderman and his influence on Miles as well, showing every Spiderman has left their mark on Miles. Love it.
when miles shows up to the final battle, sneaks the goober away from peter and get's going to destroy the machine, he actually does the same one hand hang-elevating move on the machine's rotating part, that the other peter parker did at the beginning of the film!
When talking to Peter B. Parker before sending him into his universe, I saw Miles’ face wavering considering to repeat his advice, but I feel like that actually adds to the confidence
26:50 - Peter lets go before Miles does to demonstrate that he trusts him; he is putting Miles in control, allowing Miles to call the shots, and all to show that he now has confidence in his abilities.
Watching this as a 15 year old who hasn’t seen this movie since it came out… yeah. Way, way too relatable. The pressures, mostly from yourself, and wanting to live up to your idols… there’s a lot more to it, but I won’t brain dump in a KZclip comment section. Great video as always!
"That's all it is Miles. A leap of faith." That single line has become one of the most iconic lines in Spider-Man history. And for good reason. It completely encompasses what it is to not only be Spider-Man, but to be a hero.
@Pristine Whens! Weird, I could swear there was this scene in the movie where Miles noped out of taking a jump off a building because it was too risky, literally backing off from a leap of faith, then stumbling when he instead attempted the smaller leap. Ah well, guess I must've imagined it.
21:33 something you might've missed, when miles leaps some glass shards come off of the building which means he was scared to let go of the building but he pushed himself to leap off of it.
I like how the falling-up shot captures the _feeling_ of falling, disorientation, and _scale_ in what he's doing. Outside of the thematics of the shot, it just does a beautiful job of putting the audience's mind in the moment.
THE GREATEST SHOT IN CINEMA HISTORY. The chills and goosebumps that I got during that scene I have never experienced with any other movie or TV show. It is absolutely brilliant and I will never get over it. The animation, the music, it being such an important moment... UGH. SO GOOD.
Your intro gave me shivers guys. Goes to say this movie and it's music have such incredibly powerful tones, nearly anyone should be able to connect with it on an emotional level, and the way you just put into perspective why exactly that is is quite epic to be frank.
The scene of Miles dragging the depressed version of Peter across town while being chased as the "kid in a costume dragging a dead guy" was the hardest I've laughed at a movie in a LONG time.
One scene that really gets me every single time was when all the spider-people are in the spider-lair and they kept putting pressure on miles. When the pressure and the music swells, then everything stops and the rest of the spider-people talk about how Miles isn't ready, then Miles suddenly turned invisible and left...gosh that tears me up every time....
As an artist and fan of movies and superheroes, this movie is one of my all-time favorites. It's so filled with story, art, animation, EVERYTHING. I love the subtle details and the big moments. Thank you so much for covering this movie! I love this channel so much
this movie has no right being as amazing as it is. I don't know who woke up one morning and simply decided to construct a masterpiece but they and everyone who helped construct it deserve far more recognition than they've already received. despite without a doubt going down as one of the greatest animated films of all time, I still feel like this movie is criminally underrated. I thought the hype would die down a few years after it's been out but really it feels like it only gets better on rewatch.
So much this. The people making this film didn't have to make it THAT good, it still would have been amazing and made huge amounts of money, but nope, every single little detail they've tried to make as close to perfection as they could. Most great movies you can point at some aspect that was weaker than the rest, but this one just HAS no parts that are less than the others, it's just consistently excellent and boundary-pushing in everything it does. Even that reinforces the message of the film: don't strive to do what everyone else is doing, just do you, the very best you can; you'll be fine.
When I originally saw this movie in theaters as a pre-teen, I was so captivated by the story, but never understood it by heart til I rewatched it, currently in my high school year. The ideas that Miles is going through a change in school due to the idea of expectations punched me in the gut because it is extremely hard not only for getting place to place but the weight to wanting to fulfill those and prove my worth to my parents and teachers that I worked hard to get where I have to be, and as a first born generation in America, I don’t have anyone to guide me or show me the ropes and techniques to survive. With all that stress with schoolwork and problems with friends, I was a literal time bomb wanting to leave. It wasn’t until rewatching this helped me realize that I don’t exactly have to exceed the expectations that my mentors want in their own way, but rather my own skills and strengths to help me, which is seen through Miles’ swinging techniques as he does more parkour through the process. It is true from the movie that almost anyone can wear the mask, as we’re all gonna become better people and do good for the world through the experiences that shape and mold us into who we become.
This movie is so great in so many ways, but hearing the tone in Miles' dad's voice when he says "something happened" (referring to uncle Aaron) just... hits so damn hard every time.
The subtle thing I like a lot about this movie is how Peter B. Parker is constantly trying to let himself die. I think that says a lot. He could easily take his own life, but he's trying to do it indirectly by staying behind and saving everyone else. That's often how suicidal people can act. They don't want to actively kill themselves, but will neglect their health and safety in the hopes something else will take care of them instead. They put this in a Spider-Man film. Just wow.
I think in one of the comics, MJ accused Peter of something like that, in that case she said that it's the reason why he never made any gauges or indicators of how much web does he have. That he's basically indirectly trying to die, pushing his luck more and more knowing that one day he'll run out at the worst moment
It is also a reasonable idea to believe for himself. Miles isn't ready, and he doesn't want to go back to his own universe and face his demons, so staying in miles' universe is a decent option for him, his health be damned. He's justifying to himself that he's fine to stay and probably die because he's needed here and not where he came from. It's not just a suicide allegory.
I have loved that shot since I first saw it on the trailer posters, but I found something that just made it 10 times better to me. There was these directions about the shot, talking about how they wanted Miles to look. And the instructions read, "He isn't falling. He's rising." And it just made it so much more amazing.
I love this movie and watch it over and over again from time to time. I recently just saw The Whale, please do an episode on it. It ripped me apart emotionally and I know a cinema therapy episode will do it again. I love you guys!
What I love about this episode is that it's more about the filmmaking than it is about the therapy/human relationships. I understand the need for balance, but after some weeks of emotion-heavy content it was a nice relief. What a film, too. Hands down my favourite Spider-Man representation, regardless of medium. Thanks Team. Have an awesome New Year. 😄
Another little detail I love in the "falling up" scene is when he's falling and whirling around to get his bearings, and when he finally turns his aim downward. The parallel panels that stomp across the screen of him "locking up," with the beats that go in time with the music. There's just something about that split-second moment that rocks my life so hard.
This movie hit me so hard in high school. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and I was under immense pressure from my parents to go into a super tough field. It really helped me a lot
The scene that ends with the “I didn’t teach him that, and you definitely didn’t” is genius because Miles does things his own way, but if you notice how he gets there using something’s that he watched Peter Parker do the first time he was there. It’s uniquely him, but finally using mentorship as what it is, a tool.
Something else I love in the moment where he trips in the building and breaks the goober is how it all happened. He chose to go to the smaller building because he was scared, he played it safe which stopped it from being a leap of faith. He inherently didn’t trust in his own abilities and let his fear take over. And the thing that makes him fall is his untied shoes, something he said was a choice. The biggest mistake he made in that jump was that he was trying to be Peter’s Spider-man but was still just Miles. Those untied shoes represented who Miles was before the bite and he was still being that in the moment. From that point onward, he keeps his shoes tied because he learned. While he does make his own thing with the Spider-man mantle, he still took in what worked and what didn’t, as well as learning key points from the others that he applies in his own ways
4:00 what’s really neat about it and what took so long was they wanted to emulate the Ben Day comic book style, but if the dots all stayed in the same place like they do it would have no depth. It would just be like zooming in on a flat image. What they ended up using were half-tone dots, which are tiny dots that blend into other tiny dots to form colors. Close up they become more obvious, giving it more spatial definition and it allowed them to do exactly what y’all were pointing out with changing focus and conveying depth by having them spread out
20:00 A note about the music in this scene, at the climax they layered the movie's main theme (which may be the Spiderman theme) over "What's Up Danger", and it creates a such a triumphant and emotional score. I just. I just love that creativity.
I really liked how much y’all talked about the animation details (like miles being crunchy but better being smoother swinging) and other artistic details that I didn’t notice (like how the first time he saw the suit his face didn’t match up with the mask but later when he is able to control his powers, it does). I know usually y’all talk about things from a therapist viewpoint but I really loved how much details y’all pointed out that I never noticed. This is my favorite movie and those little things make it even better
The other thing about the Leap of Faith scene is that it's not even necessarily that Miles is Falling Up, but he's *rising.* It's quite possibly the most nerve-wracking, anxiety-inducing, sink or swim moment in Miles' whole life, and he's literally rising to the occasion. He's choosing to rise to the role of Spider-Man as himself instead of chasing after what Peter left behind.
This conversation speaks a lot to me. I’m a theatre teacher, and I wanted to be exactly like the theatre teacher I had in high school, and I wanted to build the exact same program I had in high school. My first year teaching, I was a fresh, college-graduate in my mid-20s, very little professional theatre experience, and I was hired at a tiny school with a microscopic theatre program. I was constantly comparing myself to my theatre teacher, and I was really insecure about the kids comparing me to the theatre teacher I replaced, so even though I did not know the guy at all, I was constantly comparing myself to him. So many mental breakdowns that year, a big one in front of the kids. I finally had to let go of trying to meet these grand expectations I had for myself, recognize that this was my first year of teaching and I needed to build my program, my students, and myself one small step at a time.
I love the subtle symbolism behind each of Miles' leaps of faith. The first time he tries, his shoes are untied, representing that he hasn't yet matured into his Superhero role. They're tied during his next attempt, showing his newfound responsibility.
@Pristine Whens! Did you miss the part where they said, in this very video, that there are no accidents in filmmaking, especially in animation? The shoelaces was 100% a deliberate choice by the animators. They were 100% going for "it's that deep."
@Pristine Whens! I think s because you're not joining in with the conversation in a positive way - you don't have to agree with everyone else, but you could tell us why you don't, then it would actually be contributing to the conversation, rather than just coming across like you're shitting on the OP's comment without reason. When Miles meets Peter, they have a conversation about his untied laces - a stylistic but potentially unsafe/impractical choice when being a spiderman. When he's truly ready for his leap of faith, he's prepped, got a suit that fits him and is customised so it's practical but still aesthetically him, no longer just a costume of Peter's, and he chooses to tie his laces (in the trainers which he's also spray-painted to match his suit). It's another visualisation of him learning from all the spider-peeps he's met, but choosing which of their things to use and how to make them his own. That's my view, anyway. Why do you think we're over-thinking/wrong about it? Why would they include it in the script and the animation otherwise? No accidents in animation - it's not just that someone in costume dept missed a memo and tied the laces for that scene and it was missed/left in. The animators had to purposely draw it in to the film. Don't you think they'd consider when/IF he might start tying them?
@Pristine Whens! I'm not sure that's the lesson here? Just try not to kill someone's fun like that. Unless we have a direct quote from the creators, realistically, we'll never know their intent. It's fun to discuss, speculate, and engage with the content though. It's exactly what Cinema Therapy does. Wishing you nothing but the best. 😊
God I love this movie, it's so good. I never really thought about the theme of expectations before, but I suppose that's why I like this movie so much. I think we all have people in our lives whose expectations we feel we have to live up to, and that hits home for some of us more than others.
23:46 way I see it, is that this shot hits hard because not only did he take his literal leap of faith (note how he broke the glass as he was not relaxed like Peter B Parker told him to be, therefore he wasn't ready for the leap) and is therefore falling, but he in falling he is rising to meet his destiny of being the next Spider-Man.
Thank you for talking about the animation and how it was made. I've just started studying Film & Motion Design so it was very cool. I'm actually not into super hero movies but I'll watch that one because it looks so freaking cool! You can see how much effort was put into it, reminds me a bit of Arcane
I was one of the animators for Spiderverse, and it was simultaneously the proudest thing I've worked on and the hardest and most stressed out project. I'm so glad you guys enjoyed it, and even during internal viewings I've teared up a few times.
Happy to answer questions if there are any.
@SonicMegaKing Awww, thank you so much!!!
I don't really have a question, just wanted to say it's really cool of you to answer questions like this on YT. Into the Spider-verse was the Peak of Spider-Man presentation, and gave Miles Morales the mainstream introduction he really deserved. For your contribution to that, I sincerely thank you, and the many people you worked with to bring this movie to life.
Hope you're also working on the sequel, I'm hopping in my seat waiting for it.
@SomeJellyKid Hi! Thank you very much for your kind words! We did our best, and I’m so glad it showed, and made such an impact on people.
You pose a few VERY good questions 🥲. I’ll answer the easy one first. I loved drawing as a kid. My cousins introduced me to anime when I was 5? 7? Before I knew it I was copying an Inuyasha or Card Captors screenshot from tv with pencil to paper, and that kept on for a while. Then I came across Final Fantasy 9 and subsequently 10 and 10-2, and watching Final Fantasy Advent Children was what sealed the deal of ‘’man I really wanna be able to create these super cool cinematics’’. There was a period of time in high school where that desire was tempered by practical majors to take like coding or engineering, and then I rediscovered that I just want to do arts for a living. It had gone from ‘cool cinematic’ to ‘concept art’ for some time after my new resolve (jr. year in high school I think), and then back to ‘cool cinematic’ i.e. animation, when I was looking at art schools for practical reasons. There are more animation jobs than there are concept art jobs, and in animation school I learned the hard way that I really wasn’t cut out for concept art. So animation it is.
So…in a very longwinded response, tl;dr: passion, want, a sprinkle of ‘’I must do what I have to do”, and a dash of pragmatism goes a long way in wanting to stay in the industry. Also, the people you work with on a day to day basis, in general, are wonderful. It’s not a formal industry, and you get to have fun, and goof off, and be a kid in an adult’s body in between deadlines. They’re all there doing OT with you, and being burnt out, and hitting rock bottom with you. That hasn’t changed since animation school through to now in all the studios that I’ve worked at. The crew definitely helps keep things sane.
I have to preface that I’ve been very fortunate in my decade long career that I haven’t experienced sexual harassment as a female in this industry, but it is a prevalent issue, and something to beware of if you are female.
As for burnout…well…it was an inevitable thing for me. I’m sure there are people in the industry who manage to avoid it, and major kudos to them. Long hours and unpaid overtime is difficult to avoid with looming deadlines paired with, at times, poorly planned project timelines, or yourself. If you’re poor at managing your time to hit deadlines, then that’s a one way ticket to overtime. Depending on which studio you work at, it’s going to happen. Games, TV, VFX especially. If you’re lucky, the studio pays overtime and feeds you dinner. I don’t have a rosy answer for you in how I deal with it. I don’t think it’s pretty for anyone. Since there is no way for you to control the work situation, and assuming you’d want to follow through with the project or contract, the best you can do is to prepare for the inevitable as much as possible. Have very supportive friends and family, work friends you can vent to, and if you can afford it, therapy.
But I think, it comes down to what you want out of this career. The grind is real if you want to work at studios like Sony, Disney, Pixar, Blue Sky, Blizzard, Playstation, etc, etc. If that’s what you really want, I think your drive and support network will sustain you for a while. If you’re in this for being super creative, and you aren’t really focussed on big name studios, there are lots of places that treat you well, and keep your work-life balance in mind, and still make cool stuff.
It was a lot of hard self-reflecting after Sony Imageworks, if I wanted to continue being there or not. That was the most burnt out I’ve ever been. My husband, friends, therapy, and the current studio I work at really helped in recovery. The work-life balance is great, I’m valued as a team member, and I’m still working on awesome titles (Hogwarts Legacy, Gears of War, Mario Strikers, etc).
Everyone’s path is different though! I’m sure if you’re able to talk to another animator, they’ll have a different story so take all this with a grain of salt.
There are plenty of animator jobs floating around! Just be prepared to move to one of the animation hubs (CA, TX, Vancouver, Montreal, etc) since it looks like a lot of studios are now reverting their work from home policy. Also, keep up the work you’re doing! The upside to the industry is the barrier to entry is low, just gotta persevere.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Hi! (idk if you're still able to respond to this thread since ik animators be hella busy, but I'll give it a shot) You and the rest of the Spiderverse team really knocked it out of the park with this one. Seriously shot up to one of the biggest inspirations for how I'd like to be able to animate in the future. Thank y'all for pouring your hearts and souls into such an amazing movie. 💙
ANYWAY, I was wondering how you'd deal with burnout? What's your motivation for getting into the industry and staying even when things got tough?
(Some background if you have time)
I'm in college rn (not for art or animation) and would love to be able to become an animator or storyboard artist. It's a huge risk given the nature of the industry, but it's one I'm willing to take. It'll definitely be harder since I'm trying to build my skills and portfolio/reel largely on my own. All this is to say that even though animation has been my passion, I'm afraid of being unequipped to handle the pressure of stepping into such a terrifying industry, so I'm wondering how you've dealt with it given your experience.
You're a blessing
The scene where Miles' dad is telling him he supports and loves him through the door makes me cry every time. The first time I saw this movie I had a really strained relationship with my dad and I knew that it was something that he would say and had been saying but I just hadn't heard it. I broke down crying in the theater during that interraction.
Same man
I had pretty much the same thing happen to me!
Hugs man. That scene makes me tear up too. I love how they use the fact that miles can't speak to make his father believe he's holding a grudge. And his father doesn't get angry or leash out, but he humbly explains himself and basically let's Miles go. It's such a good storytelling trick
if any of you think this is a sad comment "the first time". past tense
it got better lesgooo
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Something I like to point out is that when Miles leaps off the building, he pulls some of the glass off, and we know that he sticks to things when he's scared/nervous. So it's not like he's not scared when he jumps, he's just stepping through the fear.
After all, courage is not the lack of fear but the persistence through the fear. It’s the fact that you keep doing something when you are afraid that proves how courageous you are!
My favorite thing about the greatest shot in cinema history is the glass shattering when he leaps from the building. He wasn't relaxed. He wasn't ready. But he still jumped.
I never thought about this!!!
"It's a leap of faith."
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holy shit i never realized that
@Spenser Archbold That is literally what it says in the script, too.
Miles going on the roof then going back down the steps is my favorite joke in the movie because of how realistic it is anyone could relate to that it's amazing
Fun fact: The trick Miles does in climax isn't from Peter B or Gwen. He learned that from Peter A. I always took that as the movie showing that Miles is now the Spiderman of that universe.
What move was it again? I remember there being a move but not what it was
Okay so this is a known fact huh, I just noticed it now while watching this after Gwen and peter B had that "did we teach him that" talk. I was like wait that move looked familiar
@AJ thats awesome :D its also only now occurred to me that he's Peter A to contrast Peter B thats hilarious lol
@8unnylover I think it was a scene that just stuck out to me when Peter A first did it, so I was able to recognize it within my first viewing that Miles copied.
@AJ oh wow, you caught that first watch? I didn't notice until it was pointed out to me haha, and now on subsequent viewings I love seeing it
The fact that it’s NOT Peter’s important lesson that unlocks Miles’ power, but his imperfect father admitting his imperfection and offering a simple, beautiful encouragement, WHOO. There’s some real power in humble parenting
absolutely. even when the turn tables when miles goes to throw peter back to his universe. even peers and mentors need to be reminded of their good advice because in the midst of a chaotic event sometimes we forget. because were human. also i love that there is an unspoken "grounding" of all people spiderperson or otherwise. no matter how accomplished you may feel you are, sometimes you need that outside look or advice from someone outside the storm to navigate it with clarity
@Blaine Donahue predicting EtS 2 will show this loss.
@kingkinte did not know that, thank you.
@Marie Roberts His dad doesn’t die in the comic. But his mom and uncle do and it kind of ruins their relationship.
@Blaine Donahue Miles doesn’t lose his father in the comics. His uncle dies in their first fight and his mom passes away later. Miles’s dad blamed Spider-Man for both deaths and didn’t react well when miles revealed his identity.
Although this all got retconned after the incursions where they made miles apart of the main 616 universe and revived his family.
The chromatic aborrition they used also replicates how sometimes old comics were printed a bit off, so small mistakes would make the different colors print at an offset from the lineart.
What really gets me is the shot were we see the glass tear away as Miles makes the leap. Miles sticks to things when he’s terrified, and he can’t unstick until he relaxes. He is completely and totally terrified when he leaps, but he finds the mental and physical strength to tear himself away from the glass. This time, he chooses to leap despite the fear, he doesn’t fall by accident like the first time.
"It's good to have role models. It's good to have people you look up to. But you can't just ape someone's style or the way do things because at best you'll always be a cheap imitation or passable imitation...what you have to contribute to the world is what YOU bring to it."
What a great message for everyone, young and old! We usually give this kind of message to teens as they're still figuring out who they are, but even as adults we continue to try to become those we look up to instead of learning from them. Thanks, Cinema Therapy!
that's why I like the movie miles so much better honestly.
comic book miles always felt like a cheap copy in some ways.
this became especially apparent, when they decided to put both peter and miles spiderman into the same universe, both alive and both being spider-man. made very little sense to me honestly.
if they want them to share a world, then miles needs to rebrand.
peter will always be prime spider-man.
they need to give miles his own spider-title, if they want them to co-exist in the same universe.
Exactly! Is it smart to look at what the greats have done before you? Of course. Draw inspiration and don’t reinvent the wheel. But making a craft or skill your own in the end is key.
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Honestly my favorite part of the scene that builds into the best shot in cinema history. Aunt May was sitting there, Aunt May knew the whole time he was going to make it that he was going to be there. She had absolute faith in Miles, a kid she had known for a few hours at most a kid who was in way worse shape than Peter was when he got his powers ((Peter is typically tail end of Highschool when he gets his powers, Miles get it just starting Highschool so he's actually one of the most powerful as it also affected his development and skyrockets the power he gets but that's not important here)) May just knew he'd make it, that look the tea in her hand. She had one of the things you need when you have those role models, absolute knowledge that you'd make it, that no matter what happened, how you fell or how you bent and broke, that you would make it.
@K S She is by far the best Aunt May ever. Loved every scene she was in
She literally says "Took you long enough." lol she was just waiting, she knew he was coming. What I like about that moment is that Aunt May doesn't know Miles personally. She doesn't know what he's going to do.... but she knows Spiderman... and Spiderman was gonna show up.
I think it got said in one of the interviews for the movie that they chose to flip the shot of him falling to make it show how he was rising up and becoming his own spiderman instead of just imitating the others.
I believe it even says in the script: “He’s not falling, he’s rising.”
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The thing that gets me every time is miles tells Aaron that he has never let him down and when Aaron dies he tells miles he's sorry he let him down
Aaron's death as Prowler is definitely Miles' Uncle Ben moment. With great power comes great responsibility, and to resist the temptation to use that power for selfish ends.
@Ana Ng And the pinocchio there was so lovingly unhinged, I felt more things by the end of the movie than feeling like he'd stab me in a game of hide and seek he's just a twerp
@pinkbunnyskye i can only second this! guillermo del toro is an amazing filmmaker and pinocchio is so full of his vision
@Shelby Bayer oops lol
You guys should also watch del toro's pinocchio
"squeaks of nope"
And Sophie is definitely the best character on this show. Need more.
I’m 29 and I still struggle with comparing myself to other people. When I saw this movie originally, I’m not gonna lie, I completely ignored the messaging. I was so enthralled with the story that the deeper message flew over my head completely. Watching this cinematherapy recap is something I had no idea I needed. This is probably my new favorite video you guys have done because of how much it speaks to me personally.
Eee, 29 is a hard age. It's a mile marker which feels so heavy. You just have to beat your last score. ❤
Can we also appreciate how this movie stressed the importance of becoming a mentor? Even when you are not perfect? Or going through something rough? Do it. Find something your passionate in and do it. You won't regret it. It will be one of the best leaps of faith you ever make.
I really appreciate mentors who are suffering and going through their own pain, but out of some sort of goodness, put that aside for the sake of someone else who could use help or guidance.
The “Ben day dots” you guys were referring to are also known as half-tone! They’re very popular for shading and lighting in black & white works! Good video btw guys! I love your stuff!
@BetterLateThanNever BUT BUT! The early comics didn't always use the proper ink saturation or lines per inch due to how cheap they were running everything. Hence, Lichtenstein making his pop derivative works that didn't properly credit the source artists.
(Hell, even more current ones. Dark Horse was running the interiors of their Usagi Yojimbo books at... 120 lines per inch if I'm remembering correctly, and the cover was maybe 150? Been over a decade since we switched to direct to plate, so I don't remember all the stuff from imaging the films. Other than maintaining the film imager sucked, cleaning everything when the density dipped was awful, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with gallons of developer chemicals anymore.
I could probably check if I can find the line-screen measuring tool we used to have and if any of the film hasn't been recycled yet.
Manga halftones that are not camera shot or created in a vector program are the Devil's dandruff and I hate them.)
@BetterLateThanNever Your username is incredibly fitting for any sort of “late” replies to comments
Thank you for the informative reply! ^^
Ben Day dots are clearly what the animation team are trying to reference, since most comic books of that era used flat blacks for their line art rather than halftones (although of course, it's a big industry, there are always exceptions, but screen printing was a far too lengthy and expensive process for most comics).
They wound up using different sizes of dots to make the effect read more efficiently, so it's not TRUE Ben Day, but like... c'mon, we know that's what they are trying to evoke, and it's not screen printing. I mean, if you're using proper ink saturation while screen printing, you don't even see the dots in a final screen print piece, you only see the dots on the screen! ;) And don't get me started on manga halftones, they don't even all use circular dots!
Back in 2018 I just saw the trailer of Spiderman in the spider verse, the 'falling up' scene literally got stuck in my head, and finally when I watched the movie this year and afterwards watched your amazing video, I can relate so much with miles, I am myself turning 15 tomorrow and your advice is what I really needed and am grateful for. Thankyou so much!
Omg thankyou everyone for your wishes 🥺
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Happy belated birthday!
Happy belated birthday! Wishing you all the best, being 15 is quite the challenge, but rewarding. You're probably returning to school from the holiday break soon, you'll do great!
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If it hasent been mentioned yet i love the detail of Miles still not being 100% confident so he still sticks and breaks the glass before the leap of faith.
@OliveB big up Sideways!!!!! Stunning breakdowns
I see it as him being ready to be spider-man doesn’t magically make him being good at spidermaning. he’s still physically not used to it with all the muscle memory stuff, so his hands still latch on the glass very tightly. And you can also see that when he reached the reactor, taking off his mask and panting. doing stuff that you’re not used to will make you tense up and the adrenaline speeds up your blood circulation, leading to a higher ventilation rate
@Anonymous n Lonely Yep. Best superhero movie ever made, in my book.
It’s one of the (infinite) reasons why this is one of my favourite movies of all time!
There is also the detail of how Miles gets to the ceiling in the climax, where Peter B and Gwen say they didn't teach him that, it's the exact method Miles' Peter got up there in the first act. Where Miles is learning, not just from the people who taught him, but the people he idolized too; that even though he is more confident and more of his own individual, he is still filling Spiderman's shoes and trying to fit his hero's shadow. It's a great acknowledgement of personal growth while admitting he is still a kid with some growing left to do. It's also a great moment of Miles picking his mentors and his lessons, learning what he needs to know and making it part of him.
Ah, damn it. That scene where Miles is tied up and his Dad is talking to him through the door just brought me to tears. Wanting so hard to connect with his son, just wanting his son to know he loves him, and realizing he shouldn't push Miles to say it back
The way that Miles webswings is unique to him. Peter B.’s is more relaxed because he has been webswinging for so long. People are saying that he swings more like Chris Pines’ spidey, but I think he is more like his uncle. He didn’t webswing a lot, he mostly did a lot of parkour around the buildings.
Beyond the comic aesthetic, I also love the way this movie respects and imitates the style of graffiti, especially since graffiti is considered a "low" art form. And the texture actually isn't Ben Day dots, it's CMYK halftones! Ben Days are all uniform in size (think Andy Warhol), whereas halftones gradiate (I'm citing CinemaWins on this one).
Miles is such a well written character that has earned his place in our hearts. I do hope we see more of this version of Dr. Octopus, I was surprised when she revealed herself.
My favorite little detail on that amazing shot is the glass breaking, it's super dramatic, and shows that he wasn't just over his fear, he was scared and couldn't unstick from the window so he just broke it off as he took his leap, so amazing
Theres a saying i like when it comes to comparing yourself to others: Don't compare your Behind the Scenes with someone's Highlights. I feel it says completely what people do not realize what they are doing when comparing.
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Yes. This is the answer I've been looking for.
“Compare yourself to who you were yesterday- not to where someone else is today.” 😃👍
That is going sealed in my memory bank for later, thanks stranger!
@Hugo Mendoza just don't steel it jk
I really want these guys to do a Treasure Planet episode. There's so much to talk about both in the therapy side with losing a father at an early age and how it effects people to the amazing deep canvas technology that made cgi and hand drawn animation flow to perfectly together.
I almost cried in theaters when Aaron admit his mistakes to Miles, he didn't want to dissappoint...
I had to rewatch the movie again before eatching this video. It's the 3rd or 4th rewatch
I have to say that the whole scene, "What's Up Danger" is so powerful. It is the best scene ever in my opinion, compared to the climax of a lot of movies nowadays. The hype song, the visuals, the adrenaline rush the viewer gets, it's all top-notch art!
I agree that it is the best scene ever put to film. The only thing that comes close is the "I need a hero" scene in Shrek 2
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Peter Porker pulling out that hammer is hilarious the same way all of us react when people diss animation
The dad ‘s speech gets me every time!! 😭😭😭 many of us have similar issues with our parents, but very few get to hear a speech like that from them.
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The fun part about that "I didn't teach him that...and you definitely didn't" part is that he learned that move from Chris Pine's Spiderman. Love this movie, so many of those great details!
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@AllThingsShaunda&Books they even mentioned in this very video that Chris Pine voices the "original", blonde Peter Parker. But good on you being confidently wrong.
@AllThingsShaunda&Books Jake Johnson is Pete B Parker, not Peter Parker.
Chris Pine is the spider man that died.
He was taught, just not the way we imagine being taught. Anyone can be a teacher without even knowing it. When someone looks up to you, there's a chance they're also learning from what you do and how, especially if you're someone like spideyboi huh
This movie makes me sob like a baby. It really is such an inspiring film to trust yourself and your abilities, something I’ve struggled with for so long
I kind of low key loved that Miles powers were based on his strengths and fears (imo). He wants to hide away from expectations and the eyes of the people around him, but he’s also got this electric personality with explosive creativity just dripping off him. He’s got so much potential, but he wants to hide from it (he doesn’t know how to use it or even that it’s there in some cases) and you see that in his super powers and how sporadic and uncontrollable they are for him. Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk, I hope you enjoyed my mini theory.
YES, FINALLY YOU DID IT! WHEN I SAW THE NOTIFICATION I SMILED REALLY HARD AND STARTED JUMPING FROM EXCITEMENT. this is my favorite movie ever, i feel so related to it and cant watch it without crying. Its also the movie that got me to finally decide and go study animation, so thank you so much for reacting to it, guys, loved the video.
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Literally am in the middle of a certification/interview on the final step over several days. I’m with people 20+ years my senior trying for this job, and literally cried for 20 minutes feeling so much worse than everyone around me. Took a brain break and watched this video. Just what I needed. Thank you. ❤
22:08 One other thing about this entire sequence is that it not only shows Miles lingering nervousness (the glass breaks when he pushes off of it meaning he didn't fully 'unstick') but he doesn't straight up swing everywhere like the original Spider-Man or any of the others for that matter. Over the course of his entire traversal from the first building to the overlook, he only shoots five webs. He uses it to get altitude and speed, but a large portion of his motion is running, jumping, and parkour. After all, he 'runs better than he swings'.
And his parkours takes clear notes from Prowler's own parkour too.
Something to note: that move at the end that neither Peter nor Gwen taught him was actually the move he saw his original Peter doing at the beginning. Except now he’s adapted and mastered it on his own.
An excellent analysis comes from sideways music channel where the big moment where he leaps of the building.
It's not just a hip hop song (which represents Miles regular identity)
Its not just the spider man theme (that's been built up with each spider character)
And there's also a tiny motif when Miles is doing something spidery.
That moment he leaps is all 3 pieces of his musical identity tied together.
That's what I was thinking. He took bits of it and made it his own.
And it's not even just the same move, it's the same music cues too!
I wish they mentioned it. I remember getting hyped when I saw Miles do that move.
He put his own flare into it, while still respecting where he got it from. However that's not the only cool thing about those parallel scenes. The other cool thing is the inversion of colors. Peter was the only color in an environment that seemed rather grayscale, meanwhile miles did it as the only dark item in am environment of colors.
I cry everytime I see Miles' dad come talk to him through the door. It's raw, genuine, and humbled. It hurts.
I can't thank you enough for this channel. I really had a very bad day today. Nothing could make me smile nothing , only you guys reacting so beautifully explaining things up. Just feels like i wish people would talk like that in real life too. I wish people would understand and love and respect others like this. And an animated movie can never go wrong to make one smile. I truly thank u. 💕today you saved me. ❤️:(
I love the moments in commentaries when a scene is so gripping none of the hosts talk through it. I myself just wanted to put this on the background and sat through the whole thing. Spider-verse IS THAT FILM
Thanks for covering this masterpiece. Saw a ten year old kid sing Sunflower at karaoke this week. Cheered like it was Argentina playing football. His little grin when he was done and walked back to his parents was everything. Films really do help form and inspire.
24:40 Notice how Miles uses almost the same moves as the OG Peter Parker in the beginning to get to the top to stop the machine… but with a certain Miles flair to it all. LOVE all the visual storytelling reinforcing Miles’ discovery and growth as his own person.
Miles is the insecure everyperson here. He's in way over his head and has only the most vague idea of his purpose. But he rises to the occasion and not only decides to the do right thing, he explodes into the role. He has no idea what to do at first, but his first thought is to do GOOD. It's one reason why I love this movie. Miles knows what heroes are. Spiderman, his dad, the dedicated cop, his mom the medical professional. Miles knows what good IS, he just needs to figure out what good he can do.
And it's kinda validating that the entire time he has a support system. He has the spider support and the familial support. It's not an easy thing to do even with that. But it's validating that sometimes change comes from not just a demand for it, but because you have enough that you can choose it, that you aren't doing it out of desperation but because you want to do good, to do better. There's not enough of those stories out there.
Honestly he feels like one of the most accurate depictions of the emotions and trials of a teenager trying to come into who they are, against the opposition of who they were expected to be. Gets right into those feels.
@Infernez Zenith I'm always gonna be a Peter fan personally, but I still strongly believe that Miles will end up being a better Spider-Man purely for the fact that he enjoys being a hero. Like Nightwing is a better Batman, and Wally West is a better Flash than Barry, these legacy heroes has something that their role models don't have. They don't need to worry about gaining the people's trust the way the original has to, they get the benefit of having more resources before they even start out, and they get to learn from the mistakes their mentors make. If your student doesn't become better than you after you teach them, then frankly you're not a great teacher.
I'm sure people will have different preferences for the type of story and character they prefer, but that's always gonna be how it is. What I'm saying is, if Marvel nurtures Miles' growth in popularity, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up becoming more popular than Peter. Remember the JLU cartoon? Wally was the Flash for an entire generation or two, and could've stayed that way if DC didn't get nostalgic for Barry. That's the type of potential I'm talking about.
I cried during the leap of faith scene it was just the perfect culmination of everything he's experienced up until that point
@Bombastic Catman Miles in the comic has little in resemblance to the miles depicted in this film, but that is beside the point.
We have no idea of what Miles' Spiderman's origin story is. We know the Remi film's origin story and many comic version story, but not this Spiderman's story. Which is just fine, we just need to acknowledge we know nothing about this Spiderman other than he was well-liked and died.
I think a key thing in this film's Spiderman is that this is a kind-of-sorta passing of the torch, but it is difficult to tell. We have another Spiderman, and whatever his origin story is, who acknowledges and mentors Miles. Miles is a good kid, but also stands on the shoulders of the previous Spiderman, using him as a role-model. A role model Peter didn't have. Peter Parker literally defines what it is to be Spiderman to Miles, as he is that world's first.
If we accept that both original Spiderman has the same Uncle Ben dies story( we have couple reason to believe they share the same story), then that changes a few things, I think. Does that excuse Peter's selfishness? No, and it costs Peter as you point out - but these are two different characters with different temperaments, backstories, and family relations. I think the enjoyment of the two stories comes down to which you enjoy more:
Peter: A person who isn't inherently virtuous, but learns to be better through effort and errors.
Miles: A person who is inherently virtuous and has a role model in the previous incarnation of Spiderman to further help guide him.
There is nothing wrong with either of these story lines, but to say that one is "Better" than the other seems a point of subjection based on the execution of each story.
We also don't have a great idea of how Miles views being Spiderman in 'Into the Spiderverse" as he's been Spiderman for a couple days. It has impacted his life, but he hasn't had a chance on screen to really internalize it. We'll get to know him more in the second one, to which I look forward to.
This movie got me through Middle School. It was my very first exposure to Spider-Man and where I discovered my love of animation. When I saw "What's Up Danger", I couldn't help by smile and be proud of Miles becoming his own Spider-Man. I still rewatch this movie to this day and can never be bored of it. I'm so excited for the next movie
Fun thing that has probably already been said in the comments: in the script for the “What’s Up Danger” scene, it says “Miles isn’t falling through the frame, he’s rising” and that single line is so powerful and it just adds to the amazing scene
I love the distinct ways that every Spider-Man moves. Peter B moves like we'd expect of Spider-Man in a fight, but he uses his powers in super mundane ways, like when he uses his webs to ring the doorbell or saunters down the side of a building. Gwen is like a ballerina, she even has ballet shoes in her suit, and she has these really cool flourishes and grace in her movement. Noir relies mostly on hand-to-hand fisticuffs instead of his powers and Ham obviously uses cartoon slapstick liberally. And when Miles finally comes into his own, his style is entirely unique to all of them, even Blonde Peter: it's more like parkour. He wall runs and hops on buses and relies less on purely swinging and more on getting from one surface to the other. He hasn't had a lot of practice swinging with his webs, but he's had practice with finding ways to parkour over walls and fences in the city (as seen when Aaron shows him a new spot to tag), so he relies on that and uses his new powers to supplement it. I find that so incredibly cool.
I love how all the male characters are so willing to show and share emotions. The perfect example of HEALTHY masculinity
I'm just excited to see Alan fangirl over the animation tbh😌
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Peter Parker and Miles Morales’ relationship has become my favorite thing about Spider-Man.
Peter so often carries so many burdens on his own to the point that it borders on martyrdom. But when Miles came along, he simply couldn’t do things alone because someone else needed him.
On the other hand, Miles brings a new layer to the Spider-Man ethos. He’s youthful, extroverted, and comes from a completely different background and culture. He has a much stronger support system that he is more than willing to protect. And because of that, Miles is very invested in Peter’s well-being and I LOVE that.
Miles Morales is just the best. He’s my favorite character.
@Jonathan Wolfe isn't it comforting that the hero who properly kicked off the modern superhero movie is also the one who does it so well in both it's current iterations?
Isn't it odd that the studio that produces this, is also the one who misunderstands every single thing about that same superhero?
Take note Hollywood, THIS is how you do a passing the torch story.
@Tariq Thomas I fell off the comics in the early 00s. We used to call him 'lil emo spider'. But that's the benefit of adaptation: you can cherrypick from decades of trial runs
@B Oh yeah no totally. That’s another reason why I love the Peter/Miles dynamic because it actually feels NEW for Peter’s character.
Peter Parker (or moreso his writers) keep fumbling his love life to the point that it’s gotten old. His villains aren’t new anymore and the stories have been retold and reduxed to death.
But Peter Parker mentoring a kid that’s both so different yet so similar to him actually forces him to grow.
That being said, the Spidey comics haven’t been great for years now (for Peter or Miles really). I’m honestly starting to prefer movie, film, and video game content far more than the comics.
Your comment just made me realise something...
As a hero, Spidey can be hit and miss. With a lot of misses when not written very well.
But as a mentor, Peter always excels!
And through the exact same things that can easily make him annoying: his self doubt, sometimes reaching into self-pity, his occasional dislike of the responsibility he can not help but hoard, his "I'm so funny hahah" wit....
Not only will he feel the immediate responsibility for the wellbeing of his mentee, It all means that no matter what his pupil is telling himself, Pete has told himself much worse. Butt then talked himself out of it, so he knows what works. And that he knows that sometimes you need a soft hug, sometimes you need a thumbs up whole playing catch, other times you need your legs swept so hard your body inverts momentum and you fly up in the air.
Whoever is in charge of the subtitles is amazing. When talking about the shot that's getting all amped up and then ends with him going back down the stairs, on the stairs the subtitles read "Squeaks of nope". I was dying 😂😂
I have seen it too and loved the line immediately :D
These videos do SO MUCH for my mental health and they've taught me so many lessons. Whenever I need to reflect upon something I've done or am going to do the lessons from these videos ALWAYS help me do what's right for myself and for others. Thank you to cinema therapy for that and also for helping me annoy the f** out of friends and family by constantly talking about film techniques during movies. 💜💜
I love love love this movie. The lengths they went through to give the film that comic aesthetic with the halftones and shading. Beautiful.
21:26 another thing I love about this scene is the glass breaking when he jumps. Earlier in the movie when Miles is stuck to Gwen's hair she tells him to relax to let go, but his anxiety wouldn't let him. In the same sense when Miles takes his leap of faith, he's too scared to let go of the building, but he breaks through the fear and jumps anyway by pulling the glass down with him.
I’m coming here with my humble opinion that Miles is falling up is a symbol 24:01 that you’re going to have to do things that are terrifying for you, but even if is scary to give the step those are the only that are going to impulse you to succeed. Okay, now I’m going to cry because I relate
Spider-Verse was such an incredible take on a Spiderman film. All the other films so far have hammered on "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility." This one touched on it, but it had a different nuance. Each of the Spider-Beings in the film were the first/original in their universe to have been bitten. They all had to come to an understanding of their powers on their own, and they came to shoulder the great responsibility naturally over time.
Miles was not the first. He had a predecessor. So it makes sense that his motivation is different too - he knows he has a great responsibility. He's seen it. It's such a great responsibility, it probably felt crushing to think about. An extremely experienced and seemingly invincible Spider-Man was all he'd ever known, and he was suddenly asked to step into his shoes after he was finally defeated. It makes sense that he would feel like a child amongst adults sometimes, and feel like he is not being treated as an equal. It makes sense that overcoming his own Great Expectations is his personal battle, not growing into his Great Responsibility.
@Wesley Wallace Also loved how Peter and Miles were trapped the same way, and used their hands, too.
@Mackie Lunkey OMG that’s a good catch. MCU Peter fell into that trap even with his predecessors being right there! Miles managed to dodge a moral bullet!
It's a great reversal. His elders - parents, teachers, mentors - all impress upon him a mountain of responsibility. They see his potential but they express it as "expectations". You must do this thing or you will not be what you should.
The thing they are able to accomplish with Miles as a successor is that the other spiders got the power and had to learn responsibility. In their own ways his father and teachers did too. He already gets that. But he doesn't yet know himself. Even when he has his powers he doesn't really know what he can do. That act of becoming is the reversal: acquiring the *power* to take up his *responsibilities* and achieve them in his own way. He is his father's son, but not. He is Spider Man, but not. But those differences, the things that are not, do not make you less. They make you custom suited for the story ahead of you.
@msk the quote which originally appeared in Amazing Fantasy #15, the correct phrasing is "aware at last that in this world, with great power must also come-great responsibility!" Only the movie "No Way Home" quotes it accurately, and none of the other movies say "ought." Like you said,"ought" suggests a choice, like it's the way it should be but not necessarily the way it is. The correct quote uses "must" meaning there is no choice. It is imperative that Spider-Man use
his/her powers responsibly, which Spider-Man in all iterations/universes ends up learning when they lose their loved one.
@msk o.o
25:59 Thing I love here: Sometimes we forget our own lessons, and need someone to say the thing we know back to us so we remember. I can't even count how many times I've told people it's okay to rely on others and ask for help, and then turned around and tried to solve my own problems all by myself.
The glass shattering from that turning scene was amazing. Goosebumps.
I can highly relate to the whole "comparing yourself to a role model and it being bad" thing. Storytime! My sister is one of my biggest role models, and has been since at least kindergarten. When I was in first grade (probably 2ish months in) I skipped into second. I barely saw anyone from my first grade class, and had a hard time getting to know my new classmates. Consequently, I was friendless. So, I decided to focus on academics. My sister had excelled at school, and I made it my goal to beat her. It was probably around 5th grade that I realized it was unhealthy. I had set all my goals relative to her achievements, and we did all the same sports, too, making it even worse. I had set all these unreasonable expectations for myself, putting her on a pedestal at the same time, and it was hurting both of us. Now I'm in 8th grade, and I still struggle with not comparing myself to her. I don't really know how to figure out what goals I should reach for, because I never learned. It really sucks. Still, I've gotten closer to her, and I feel so much more free to be myself.
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As an animation major I am OBSESSED WITH THIS MOVIE even when it came out while I was finishing high school, I could not get enough of it!! I would download it on Netflix to watch it during classes, outings, anywhere if I wasn’t at home!! (I also learned that way that there’s a limit to how many times you can download a movie on Netflix for a YEAR and I used it up in less than half a year 😅😅) How Miles becomes Spider-Man is my favorite thing ever. The leap of faith, his new found confidence fighting alongside his spider friends- it’s so amazing to watch and experience over and over again
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Fun fact: when Gwen says, "I didn't teach him that, and you definitely didn't," Miles just did the move that Peter Parker (Pine) did in their first scene together.
I love that little detail.
And I’d never noticed that til this video. Ugh I love this movie so much!
I KNOW RIGHT???! XD even when blondie peter didn't get to actually teach miles, miles still learned something from him, so he DID teach him something my heart
I cry every time I watch this movie multiple times. What a masterpiece. Also, the moves that Miles does at the collider before the "We taught him that, right?" is a callback to Chris Pine's Spiderman and his influence on Miles as well, showing every Spiderman has left their mark on Miles. Love it.
when miles shows up to the final battle, sneaks the goober away from peter and get's going to destroy the machine, he actually does the same one hand hang-elevating move on the machine's rotating part, that the other peter parker did at the beginning of the film!
When talking to Peter B. Parker before sending him into his universe, I saw Miles’ face wavering considering to repeat his advice, but I feel like that actually adds to the confidence
26:50 - Peter lets go before Miles does to demonstrate that he trusts him; he is putting Miles in control, allowing Miles to call the shots, and all to show that he now has confidence in his abilities.
Watching this as a 15 year old who hasn’t seen this movie since it came out… yeah. Way, way too relatable. The pressures, mostly from yourself, and wanting to live up to your idols… there’s a lot more to it, but I won’t brain dump in a KZclip comment section.
Great video as always!
"That's all it is Miles. A leap of faith."
That single line has become one of the most iconic lines in Spider-Man history. And for good reason. It completely encompasses what it is to not only be Spider-Man, but to be a hero.
@Tyrant-Den and honestly I quite like it over with great power. It just hits harder.
I prefer Jona;s version because its more direct:
"How do I know I'm ready? - You don't. That means there's growth to be had."
@Pristine Whens! Weird, I could swear there was this scene in the movie where Miles noped out of taking a jump off a building because it was too risky, literally backing off from a leap of faith, then stumbling when he instead attempted the smaller leap. Ah well, guess I must've imagined it.
Considering how over played "with great power comes great responsibility" got for a while, it's nice to have new stuff in the rotation.
@Pristine Whens! Guess we didn't watch the same movie then because that's factually incorrect as he's been taking L's the whole film
21:33 something you might've missed, when miles leaps some glass shards come off of the building which means he was scared to let go of the building but he pushed himself to leap off of it.
I like how the falling-up shot captures the _feeling_ of falling, disorientation, and _scale_ in what he's doing. Outside of the thematics of the shot, it just does a beautiful job of putting the audience's mind in the moment.
THE GREATEST SHOT IN CINEMA HISTORY. The chills and goosebumps that I got during that scene I have never experienced with any other movie or TV show. It is absolutely brilliant and I will never get over it. The animation, the music, it being such an important moment... UGH. SO GOOD.
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Your intro gave me shivers guys. Goes to say this movie and it's music have such incredibly powerful tones, nearly anyone should be able to connect with it on an emotional level, and the way you just put into perspective why exactly that is is quite epic to be frank.
This movie is so wonderful on multiple levels. Both the artistic twist in the animation and the storyline are just off the charts amazing.
The scene of Miles dragging the depressed version of Peter across town while being chased as the "kid in a costume dragging a dead guy" was the hardest I've laughed at a movie in a LONG time.
When I re-watched that scene and caught that line, I had to pause the video I was laughing so hard. That one got me good. 🤣
Lol not even just “dead guy” but rather “a homeless corpse”
One scene that really gets me every single time was when all the spider-people are in the spider-lair and they kept putting pressure on miles. When the pressure and the music swells, then everything stops and the rest of the spider-people talk about how Miles isn't ready, then Miles suddenly turned invisible and left...gosh that tears me up every time....
As an artist and fan of movies and superheroes, this movie is one of my all-time favorites. It's so filled with story, art, animation, EVERYTHING. I love the subtle details and the big moments. Thank you so much for covering this movie! I love this channel so much
this movie has no right being as amazing as it is. I don't know who woke up one morning and simply decided to construct a masterpiece but they and everyone who helped construct it deserve far more recognition than they've already received. despite without a doubt going down as one of the greatest animated films of all time, I still feel like this movie is criminally underrated. I thought the hype would die down a few years after it's been out but really it feels like it only gets better on rewatch.
So much this. The people making this film didn't have to make it THAT good, it still would have been amazing and made huge amounts of money, but nope, every single little detail they've tried to make as close to perfection as they could. Most great movies you can point at some aspect that was weaker than the rest, but this one just HAS no parts that are less than the others, it's just consistently excellent and boundary-pushing in everything it does. Even that reinforces the message of the film: don't strive to do what everyone else is doing, just do you, the very best you can; you'll be fine.
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When I originally saw this movie in theaters as a pre-teen, I was so captivated by the story, but never understood it by heart til I rewatched it, currently in my high school year. The ideas that Miles is going through a change in school due to the idea of expectations punched me in the gut because it is extremely hard not only for getting place to place but the weight to wanting to fulfill those and prove my worth to my parents and teachers that I worked hard to get where I have to be, and as a first born generation in America, I don’t have anyone to guide me or show me the ropes and techniques to survive. With all that stress with schoolwork and problems with friends, I was a literal time bomb wanting to leave. It wasn’t until rewatching this helped me realize that I don’t exactly have to exceed the expectations that my mentors want in their own way, but rather my own skills and strengths to help me, which is seen through Miles’ swinging techniques as he does more parkour through the process. It is true from the movie that almost anyone can wear the mask, as we’re all gonna become better people and do good for the world through the experiences that shape and mold us into who we become.
This movie is so great in so many ways, but hearing the tone in Miles' dad's voice when he says "something happened" (referring to uncle Aaron) just... hits so damn hard every time.
Despite their rocky relationship, Miles' dad lost a brother that day (and not really knowing why.) I loved Miles' dad in this movie.
The subtle thing I like a lot about this movie is how Peter B. Parker is constantly trying to let himself die. I think that says a lot. He could easily take his own life, but he's trying to do it indirectly by staying behind and saving everyone else. That's often how suicidal people can act. They don't want to actively kill themselves, but will neglect their health and safety in the hopes something else will take care of them instead. They put this in a Spider-Man film. Just wow.
I think in one of the comics, MJ accused Peter of something like that, in that case she said that it's the reason why he never made any gauges or indicators of how much web does he have. That he's basically indirectly trying to die, pushing his luck more and more knowing that one day he'll run out at the worst moment
@Bonlino Peter B Parker: I CANT LET SPIDERMAN DIE!!!
Me: THEN WHY YOU LETTING YOURSELF DIE???!
It is also a reasonable idea to believe for himself. Miles isn't ready, and he doesn't want to go back to his own universe and face his demons, so staying in miles' universe is a decent option for him, his health be damned. He's justifying to himself that he's fine to stay and probably die because he's needed here and not where he came from. It's not just a suicide allegory.
This movie itself is a therapy. It never fails to put me in a good mood
I have loved that shot since I first saw it on the trailer posters, but I found something that just made it 10 times better to me.
There was these directions about the shot, talking about how they wanted Miles to look. And the instructions read, "He isn't falling. He's rising." And it just made it so much more amazing.
I love this movie and watch it over and over again from time to time. I recently just saw The Whale, please do an episode on it. It ripped me apart emotionally and I know a cinema therapy episode will do it again. I love you guys!
What I love about this episode is that it's more about the filmmaking than it is about the therapy/human relationships. I understand the need for balance, but after some weeks of emotion-heavy content it was a nice relief. What a film, too. Hands down my favourite Spider-Man representation, regardless of medium. Thanks Team. Have an awesome New Year. 😄
Another little detail I love in the "falling up" scene is when he's falling and whirling around to get his bearings, and when he finally turns his aim downward. The parallel panels that stomp across the screen of him "locking up," with the beats that go in time with the music. There's just something about that split-second moment that rocks my life so hard.
This movie hit me so hard in high school. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and I was under immense pressure from my parents to go into a super tough field. It really helped me a lot
I followed what my parents did, but in the last month I completely changed directions lol. I’m an English major now
So did you decide to go into that field or did you find something else?
What die you decide to do??🥰
As millennial this is all of what I wanted as a teenager & I'm so glad this movie could be part of *your* childhood 😭😭😭
The scene that ends with the “I didn’t teach him that, and you definitely didn’t” is genius because Miles does things his own way, but if you notice how he gets there using something’s that he watched Peter Parker do the first time he was there. It’s uniquely him, but finally using mentorship as what it is, a tool.
Something else I love in the moment where he trips in the building and breaks the goober is how it all happened. He chose to go to the smaller building because he was scared, he played it safe which stopped it from being a leap of faith. He inherently didn’t trust in his own abilities and let his fear take over.
And the thing that makes him fall is his untied shoes, something he said was a choice. The biggest mistake he made in that jump was that he was trying to be Peter’s Spider-man but was still just Miles. Those untied shoes represented who Miles was before the bite and he was still being that in the moment. From that point onward, he keeps his shoes tied because he learned. While he does make his own thing with the Spider-man mantle, he still took in what worked and what didn’t, as well as learning key points from the others that he applies in his own ways
I love this film so much and that moment with his dad always make me emotional.
I love the fact that some of the glass was stuck on his fingers (or shattered) really shows Miles' fear despite taking the leap of faith.
4:00 what’s really neat about it and what took so long was they wanted to emulate the Ben Day comic book style, but if the dots all stayed in the same place like they do it would have no depth. It would just be like zooming in on a flat image. What they ended up using were half-tone dots, which are tiny dots that blend into other tiny dots to form colors. Close up they become more obvious, giving it more spatial definition and it allowed them to do exactly what y’all were pointing out with changing focus and conveying depth by having them spread out
20:00 A note about the music in this scene, at the climax they layered the movie's main theme (which may be the Spiderman theme) over "What's Up Danger", and it creates a such a triumphant and emotional score. I just. I just love that creativity.
@Jeroz I feel the same! I can't listen to the original anymore, it feels too flat. I always listen to a fan edit.
@JerozI agree. I wish they officially released the cinematic version. The fan edits come pretty close
yeah it also made What's Up Danger itself kind of hollow in some sense, because it doesn't have that strong throughline like in the movie
@Nightfall love sideways
@Nightfall I think he was the one that made me notice it!
21:40 Phil Lord and Chris Miller have stated that Miles isn’t falling in that shot. He’s rising.
I really liked how much y’all talked about the animation details (like miles being crunchy but better being smoother swinging) and other artistic details that I didn’t notice (like how the first time he saw the suit his face didn’t match up with the mask but later when he is able to control his powers, it does). I know usually y’all talk about things from a therapist viewpoint but I really loved how much details y’all pointed out that I never noticed. This is my favorite movie and those little things make it even better
The other thing about the Leap of Faith scene is that it's not even necessarily that Miles is Falling Up, but he's *rising.* It's quite possibly the most nerve-wracking, anxiety-inducing, sink or swim moment in Miles' whole life, and he's literally rising to the occasion. He's choosing to rise to the role of Spider-Man as himself instead of chasing after what Peter left behind.
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This conversation speaks a lot to me. I’m a theatre teacher, and I wanted to be exactly like the theatre teacher I had in high school, and I wanted to build the exact same program I had in high school. My first year teaching, I was a fresh, college-graduate in my mid-20s, very little professional theatre experience, and I was hired at a tiny school with a microscopic theatre program. I was constantly comparing myself to my theatre teacher, and I was really insecure about the kids comparing me to the theatre teacher I replaced, so even though I did not know the guy at all, I was constantly comparing myself to him. So many mental breakdowns that year, a big one in front of the kids. I finally had to let go of trying to meet these grand expectations I had for myself, recognize that this was my first year of teaching and I needed to build my program, my students, and myself one small step at a time.
When Miles's dad starts telling him that he'll always support him no matter who he becomes makes me sob uncontrollably
I love the subtle symbolism behind each of Miles' leaps of faith. The first time he tries, his shoes are untied, representing that he hasn't yet matured into his Superhero role. They're tied during his next attempt, showing his newfound responsibility.
@Pristine Whens! It is though? L
yes they did it for a joke but it was also a symbol of his immaturity.
@Pristine Whens! Did you miss the part where they said, in this very video, that there are no accidents in filmmaking, especially in animation? The shoelaces was 100% a deliberate choice by the animators. They were 100% going for "it's that deep."
@Pristine Whens! I think s because you're not joining in with the conversation in a positive way - you don't have to agree with everyone else, but you could tell us why you don't, then it would actually be contributing to the conversation, rather than just coming across like you're shitting on the OP's comment without reason.
When Miles meets Peter, they have a conversation about his untied laces - a stylistic but potentially unsafe/impractical choice when being a spiderman.
When he's truly ready for his leap of faith, he's prepped, got a suit that fits him and is customised so it's practical but still aesthetically him, no longer just a costume of Peter's, and he chooses to tie his laces (in the trainers which he's also spray-painted to match his suit).
It's another visualisation of him learning from all the spider-peeps he's met, but choosing which of their things to use and how to make them his own.
That's my view, anyway. Why do you think we're over-thinking/wrong about it?
Why would they include it in the script and the animation otherwise? No accidents in animation - it's not just that someone in costume dept missed a memo and tied the laces for that scene and it was missed/left in. The animators had to purposely draw it in to the film. Don't you think they'd consider when/IF he might start tying them?
@Pristine Whens! I'm not sure that's the lesson here? Just try not to kill someone's fun like that. Unless we have a direct quote from the creators, realistically, we'll never know their intent. It's fun to discuss, speculate, and engage with the content though. It's exactly what Cinema Therapy does.
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I didn't catch that. Man, I love this movie. It's in the details.
God I love this movie, it's so good.
I never really thought about the theme of expectations before, but I suppose that's why I like this movie so much. I think we all have people in our lives whose expectations we feel we have to live up to, and that hits home for some of us more than others.
23:46 way I see it, is that this shot hits hard because not only did he take his literal leap of faith (note how he broke the glass as he was not relaxed like Peter B Parker told him to be, therefore he wasn't ready for the leap) and is therefore falling, but he in falling he is rising to meet his destiny of being the next Spider-Man.
Thank you for talking about the animation and how it was made. I've just started studying Film & Motion Design so it was very cool. I'm actually not into super hero movies but I'll watch that one because it looks so freaking cool! You can see how much effort was put into it, reminds me a bit of Arcane