Phase 4 felt less interconnected. I admire the experimental angle, however alot of ideas I feel could’ve been expanded much more. Like don’t give two hours limits for the movies. Allow them to breathe. I’m not heavily disappointed, we ended up getting gems like Spider Man No Way Home, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and shows like WandaVision, Loki, and Moon Knight. I just hope Phase 5 is tighter and starts to bring elements together, which I think it kind of will.
This was cool... thanks for making the video. I loved Loki, excited for season 2. I'd say the one solitary things I was most disappointed about for phase 4 was how bad the messed up a villain like Gore the God Butcher. In the comics he was do e so beautifully. His pain was so apparent and as much damage and carnage he was doing...you almost felt like it was right... justified and wanted him to succeed. I remember listening to an auditory reading of that comic and it gave me chills... when I found out he was in the movie I thought this was gonna be the best movie ever made. They fucked up how much of a bad ass he could have been to the MCU. He was down played and distilled to nothing of his comic book version. Anyways, keep the good work up brotha! I'm subscribing. Good luck!
Gorr was the only good thing in Thor 4, and I agree he wasn’t even given the full service he deserved. We barely saw him doing any butchering and he just needed more screen time.
@pjritchie honestly, phase 4 had it so much easier. MCU had so much momentum, it was unstoppable. Phase 2 had to build up when the mcu had a comparatively small following to now. Phase 4 just kinda stumbled the fans with no purpose or buildup
@NoGamer 303true but phase 2 had a much smaller storyline to work with and phase 4 is starting to really go into comic territory which will be really hard for movies
I like that they didn't have a big finale/threat at the end of the phase. It opens up to more character development and each movie/series have more freedom. It's just a shame a lot of the phase 4 content didn't utilize this freedom. It seems like it harmed the projects instead, because they didn't connect much to a bigger picture, and the quality wasn't good enough to stand on it's own. Like, in previous phases, if a movie wasn't the greatest, it still had watch value if it mattered to the big picture.
I really liked externals. Agree totally on what if but that zombies episode was amazing. Falcon and the winter soldier got so drawn out and after every episode I felt underwhelmed. Wanda vision was awesome but I built my expectations up too much. I kept thinking we were getting magneto or doctor strange in the finale. Loki was perfect. Hawkeye was fun loved kingpin. It should’ve been able to have been binged but it’s very mcu comedy stuff which is fine. Thor love and thunder not great wasted a film with Chris hemsworths Thor and Christian bale as gorr. She hulk was ok bit boring but it had daredevil so? Also still annoyed about the walk of shame thing they had him do but whatever
Great video. I liked Phase 4 alot. I see phase 4 more about character development than villains which is what I liked about it. Overall I like the diversity and variety more in Phase 4 than any of the other phases. The standouts were Wakanda Forever, No Way Home and Shang-Chi for me.
You know, phase 4 of the MCU looks more like a Disneyland attraction where there is only over the top spectacle and mindless joy and I bet phase 5 and 6, the multiverse saga would be just like that, just a Disneyland attraction. Infinity Saga of the MCU was actually quite rich, artistic and well made in which all the characters and stories were lovable, from Ironman to Avengers Endgame, it was perfect.
I really liked tfatws I know a lot of people didn’t like most of phase four but I haven’t heard anyone really trash talk this one. There’s was a lot of character development for both Bucky and Sam in this show that’s what I enjoyed the most about this
Dude.. I agree with everything you said. Wanda-Vision was really the best, especially Olsen's expression, I could feel every moment of that series, watched it again in 2023. Loki - Yeah it kinda felt 'One who remain' is overacting Only thing I did not like in "No way Home" is Dr. Strange. He was just a Dork. Everything else was great. Even MJ was interesting compared to last two Spiderman movies. I like how much you talked about Mr. Marvel, She Hulk and Thor 4. These were really the worst project of all. & GoTG Holiday special didn't even feel like it is MCU project. That was much worse than bad T.V show.
Great video my dude you made some good points keep up the great work yeah this phase was definitely something but for me not in a bad why I wouldn’t call it the awkward phase I would call it the experiment phase and to me this phase was really not has bad has people making it yes it not better then the others phase but it ain’t to bad. Here my opinion on all the movies and shows to good mid bad,Good:Spider-Man no way home, black panther, moon knight, Shang chi, Loki, wandavison, Hawkeye and werewolf by night and guardians of the galaxy special. MID: captain America and the winter soldier,what if, dr strange 2 ms marvel. Bad: black widow, the eternals, thor 4 and she hulk
if there was one big changed I could make to this phase is make it focus more on the snap and how the world is liked without the averagers and then all that would lead up to averagers movie in this phase ( since it didn’t get one) and if ( modok wasn’t in antman 3 ) then the plot would be the new averagers taking down the rebuild AIM. And the main 5 would be captain America, Spider-Man, black panther, Shang chi and stay with me on this one… she hulk. I know I know I don’t liked the show ether but in a couple episodes their was good moments with her character and if you could take out all her bad moments and make her a bit more like her in the comics I think people would liked her more. But anyway that’s just my opinion great work just sub
About the GotG holiday special, I think I found the way to watch it in order to make people laugh with it. You have to watch X-Men First Class where Kevin Bacon plays Sebastian Shaw (one of my favorite villains in a comic book movie). After this watch the GotG holiday special with the mindset that Kevin Bacon is just Sebastian Shaw in disguise who is terrified of everyone after what happened to him.
Wandavision: the cgi fight was a demmand from the producers. Still, Vision ends the fight with a philosofical argument and Wanda with the acceptance of magic. As for pay-off...well, the theme was grief, imo the ending was fantastic.
I haven't watched everything in mcu season 4 (or I started and didn't finish...), but there was a massive drop in quality this time around - storytelling, vfx, etc... in wandavision, I didn't like how wanda was clearly intended to be the villain, but at the last minute the creators chickened out and glossed over the fact that she brainwashed and held hostage a while town... in tfatws the flagsmashers did have a message and I dare say they were right, but were also made to do awful things to push the message that they were the true villains instead of the government officials... looks like pandering to certain someones for me... loki, sadly, copied the ragnarok style and it was a huge mistake in my books, because at that moment loki did not have the character development that he had in ragnarok (also not the biggest fan of sylvie). the multiverse of madness really felt like the movie was made from crucial scenes cut out of a longer series, like a recap or sth
I can’t stop thinking about those teenagers working in that Dairy Queen that died the day EGO went all expansion! Cause I worked at a Dairy Queen as a high school student…weren’t very many adults at all working there…even the managers were high school kids so…
@Trey Way what shows cause there is way worse then she hulk. the show isn’t even that bad it’s just dumb fun while other shows are just ass in every way
Honestly speaking, I've got some pretty hot takes on Phase 4 Like Eternals was great and overhated, I think I just felt fresh after watching that, I enjoy it Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Thor 4, GOTG Special were literally trash, I couldn't even finish She-Hulk on its first weekly run Rest of the projects were from average to Amazing Like I think Moon Knight, TFATWS, Wakanda Forever were okay The others like Doctor Strange 2, NWH, Loki, WandaVision were my top phase 4 movies/series I'm trying to remember if I forgot a movie or a show, and that's the problem of Phase 4 I can name every phase 1 2 3 movie and other Marvel ABC, Netflix shows but I can forget a Phase 4 show or movie Phase 4 just felt like a mess they released in 2 years randomly... "Let's release 5 shows and 4 movies a year to please fans" Well I was a fan till Phase 3, but I also felt that Marvel fatigue in Phase 4
I knew Since Far From Home something about Phase 4 Felt Off and I was Right,Loki,Hawkeye,Moon Knight,What If…,No Way Home,Multiverse of Madness,Werewolf by Night,and Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas Special,the Rest are Either Overrated or God Awful that instead of making New Things,they show Use what Work and Evolve It while being Faithful.
I want to make a phase 4 rewatch, any ideas on how to rewatch the shows quckly? My idea is the only rewatch a couple of crucial episodes of each show, what you think guys?
@raiden stark I like that idea a lot actually but are you trying to do likes kinda fast rewatch because I think you can finish that in like a week or so or are you trying to watch all the shows and movies and get the experience because while I like your Oder you lose some of that experience when skipping episodes. I just been watching them in timeline oder I am now on guardians of the galaxy vol 1 because I started watching the full mcu like 2 months ago
@Dang Good Food! i been thinking and i have an idea, So the starting point is loki, only rewatching episode 1 and 6, ( episode 1 is a follow up to endgame and episode 6 is the big set up of the mutiverse war) Then wandavision episodes 8 and 9 Then falcon and the winter soldier episodes 1, 2, and 6 Then eternals, no way home, doctor strange 2. Then shang chi, continuing with she hulk episodes 2 and 3 (works as a follow) Then it's time for haweye, rewatching episodes 2,4,6 Then moon knight episodes 2,3,6. After that were wolf by night, thor 4 and ending with black panther 2 (according a producer thor 4 black panther 2 and ant man 3 happen around the same time) I'll skip ms marvel, black widow works better after civil war and before black panther 1, and also skipping the guardians special is not useful. I also created a better way to rewatch phase 1, phase 3 is too lineal there's only one way to watching it and still figuring out a better phase 2 rewatch What do you think?
My Top 5: 01. Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) 02. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) 03. Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings (2021) 04. Loki (2021) 05. Werewolf by Night (2022)
MCU should’ve formatted so much better, I suggest having movies like Shang chi and black widow not part of the “phases” and act as a stand alone film that doesn’t affect the universe in a particular way and just acts as a movie to flesh out the many MANY characters they are introducing, then u can have a select movies like multiverse of madness and Ant man that do affect the phases and act as a story building up to an ultimate climax, I have no problem with movies being interconnected but we’ve reach a point where you HAVE to watch an earlier movie in order for anything to make sense, this isn’t a simple avengers origin then avengers movie phase like phase 1 this is an intricate story telling that ties wayyyy too many movies together, you see this in the comics tho not everything has to build up to something they need to focus on individual stories, as for the Disney+ shows scrap that being part of any phase neither the idea of phase 4 has been shitted on ever since they started spamming out content without any depth or material and has made everything so confusing
Since the death of Iron Man, Heimdal,Black Widow, the Steve Rogers disappearing timeline and the Loki disappearing act... Only hardened my view that this whole #MarvelMultiverse was the #Disney way of cutting down the wage bill by getting rid of the OG characters- without the fanbase having a fit ! #Disney just another penny pinching corporation - not good 😐
I'm sorry but the fact that She hulk is ranked higher than Moon Knight sends me. Literally the only good part of She Hulk was the beginning and then when they showed more of Matt and that's it.
WandaVision, Only really good on a week to week when you don't know what's coming. Vision was great. Most stuff was eh. Lots of stuff was just genuinely bad. Could remove Monica and everything would be the same. Falcon And The Winter Soldier has some great stuff, but it's a good 25% of a Marvel movie stretched to be 6 hours. Pacing is awful. Villains are awful. The good is stretched beyond natural limits and some stuff like Sharon Carter is downright terrible. Zemo was the best part and was also wasted. Loki is so hard to care about as a main character, and my care becomes non existent when it's only about non essential variants. No stakes. No care. No like. Black Widow is painfully average and should have been released 4 years before it actually was. It's so egregiously mid and it's such a shame because with just a few tiny tweaks it could have been masterful. What if...? Has wildly inconsistent quality in episodes where some are downright terrible, some are just okay, and some of them are so good they should be movies. Shang-Chi is one of the clearest movies that I can describe as "good" with confidence. Not alright. Not great. But definitely good. Could use a few tweaks, but it's fun, exciting, thrilling, and incredibly hype. Definitely the best fight choreography of the entire MCU. Makes me want more so much. Eternals is so boring and there's really nothing positive I can say about it. Makes the MCU worse. Hawkeye is genuinely fun. The plot is genuinely bad and the main characters forget what it is like twice. No stakes. No interest. But wow is it entertaining somehow. Very few characters I dislike. I could watch a show just about these characters talking about Christmas... Which is mostly what it is. Spider-Man: No Way Home. Masterpiece. Enough said. Moon Knight is easily my favorite Disney+ show. They finally got the perfect mixture between movie and tv show with this awful 6-9 episode tv series format. Outstanding character work that progresses perfectly. The action is used thoughtfully and sparingly and is always entertaining. Never once wanted to speed something up. I love Moon Knight so much. Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness is genuinely my least favorite MCU movie. Sure there is some cool stuff, but there is so much stupid in it I felt insulted the entire time. I did not want to watch a battle between the writer and the chained up director handle one of my favorite superheroes. Every character in it is an absolute idiot and it makes the experience painful. The plot could be solved by a 9 year old or 2 characters not talking like idiots to each other. Miss Marvel is uninspired and boring. I found no charm in it but I suppose it's not meant for me. Thor Love and Thunder is a good first draft of a movie that tries to be 12 times as funny as Ragnarok but only succeeds 25% of the time. The plot is a comedian coming up with the quickest ways to get his SNL cast to another bit. Such a shame that it has such cool things like Christian Bale as the best MCU villain on paper and thinks he's in a serious movie. For the most part it's a bad joke but there's good to be had in a rough draft. She-Hulk is the worst thing Marvel has ever made. A self insert writer who wants to have sex with Daredevil writes herself to be a horrible human being. Absolutely horrid. Werewolf by Night is a weird experiment, but I cannot call it bad. It's clever and entertaining, but makes me wish I was watching a movie instead of a chopped up bit of fluff. Guardians of The Galaxy Holiday Special is fun and cute. It's funny and is just a bit of fluff about things I already like. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever really is just consoomer slop. Nothing is inspired. It's a weird Chadwick Boseman obituary. The actual "substance" of the film is laughable and makes the world feel dumber.
People defending Phase 4 as a fan Remember those days when we were excited for Civil War, Homecoming, Infinity War, Endgame? Those were truly great times and Phase 4 is just meh compared to Phase 3... And don't even tell me "Oh it's a base, they're setting up something big!" That doesn't make it any good It was still mid
I think Dr. Strange 2 is not only the worst of this phase but honestly the worst MCU property since Phase 2. How is this the same strange we saw in Endgame? How is this the same Wanda we saw in WandaVision? Sam Raimi is likely my least name able director though, so nothing in this movie hit any better than Evil Dead 2, which hits none of my pleasure points.
Best (imo): No Way Home, Werewolf By Night, Moon Knight, Wakanda Forever, Multiverse of Madness, and Wandavision. Good/Okay (imo): Ms Marvel, Falcon & Winter Soldier, Shang-Chi, Loki, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. Worst (imo): Love & Thunder, She-Hulk, and Eternals.
WandaVision didn't start phase 4 off with a bang, it was bad from beginning, the show was so corny and it looked cheap. The Falcon and The Winter Soldier was even worse. Falcon sucks he drags the entire show down, nothing about him is interesting. Should've just been a Bucky show. Never saw Loki, just have no interest in the character anymore he overstayed his welcome imo. I did see a clip of the ending tho which looked good but I'm not sitting thru all of that. I did like the 1st 15 minutes of Black Widow but don't remember anything after that. Shang Chi is really good but the 3rd act and Akwafina really kill the rewatch value. Eternals was just a nothing of a movie, everything felt weightless and wasted Saw the 1st episode of Hawk Eye thought it was terrible and just gave up on it. No Way Home is trash. The apartment scene and the ending are good but everything else is garbage. The nostalgia binge Hollywood is on just feels lazy and repetitive. Everything is rushed and the cgi is just terrible. Doctor Strange 2 is actually good imo but could be nit picked apart. And the fight scenes are massively underwhelming. Black Panther 2 was trash too. Crap cgi and if you're a person who doesn't get attached to celebrities then it's not sad at all because T'Challa wasn't well developed at all and I personally had no attachment to the character. Shuri's acting was terrible and she looks like slender man in the suit and the villain is just generic bland bad guy you've seen a thousand times before. And fight choreography is some of the worst I've ever seen
What If Doctor Strange Lost His Heart instead of his hands completely broke Endgame's time travel rules and made Christine's death a fixed point in time when she's still alive in the main timeline. How is that the best What If episode? Also, No Way Home's plot made absolutely no sense. And you are really going to rank Loki at number 1? A show with a plot that shouldn't have happened because if the Avengers' time heist was necessary, then Loki would have had to steal the Tesseract? Not to mention that since the Battle of New York just recently happened from Loki's perspective, he doesn't have the character development that made the sacred timeline Loki a hero. The Loki series is terribly written. The cliffhanger with Kang taking over the TVA at the end ignores Endgame's rules. In fact, going by the multiverse time travel rules from Endgame, shouldn't the branches in the timeline always be there? As Hulk said "Changing the past doesn't change the future," what is the urgency of taking time criminals anyway? I really hate how Endgame's time travel rules gets thrown out the window.
My opinions: Wandavision: great, i loved it. Hated the sword stuff though. FATWS: great. Has major flaws, but I really like it for all of the positives explained in the video. Loki: fucking incredible. Some of the MCUs best content. Top tier MCU. Cant wait to see kang in ant man Black widow: I thought it was really good. First 2 acts of the film were excellent, well paced and thought provoking. Although i didnt hate the third act, it was pretty mediocre. Still enjoyed it overall. What if: didnt like this one. A few really fun episodes like doc strange and tchalla star lord, but it really was not great. Shang-chi: awesome and amazing. One of my favourite MCU films. Top 10 for sure. Perfect blockbuster imo (balances a thought provoking story with comedy and action) really fun characters as well. Eternals: bad film imo. Gorgeous cinematography and nice action. Everything else was not very good at all. No way home: has its flaws, I dont care. Was such a fun and emotionally powerful spiderman character study, whilst still being one of the most epic and entertaining mcu films out there. Love it. Hawkeye: fun and entertaining, but nothing special. Loved Kate. Moon knight: absolutely loved it until the finale. Wasnt terrible but felt like the most dissapointing finale of them all. MoM: it was decent. I enjoyed it, and Sam Raimi did an amazing job, but the writing isnt great. I dont like what it did with the characters of Strange and Wanda tbh. I think it'll get better when we see kang dynasty and secret wars. Love and Thunder: a total shitshow. Gorr was kinda cool (though underutilised) but other than that it was terrible. One of the worst MCU films ever. Ms Marvel: was a fun ride. Nothing too special but I found the character really likeable. She-hulk: worst thing in the whole mcu for me. By a mile. Wakanda forever: fucking incredible. Best of the whole phase for me. I thought both specials were great. Just my opinions. I get why its hated, but personally I liked it.
18 eternals 17 what if 16 falcon and the winter soldier 15 I am groot 14 werewolf by night 13 black widow 12 Loki 11 Wandavision 10 moon knight 9 she-hulk 8 multiverse of madness 7 Shang-chi 6 Hawkeye 5 guardians holiday special 4 Thor love and thunder 3 ms marvel 2 black panther wakanda forever 1 Spider-Man no way home
bro is over here judging the holiday special and how most ppl thought it was cute and pretty decent when he likes SHE-HULK??? she-hulk was so cheesy and tried way too hard. no.
That's funny. I mean I feel like I love the MCU more than a lot of people, but yeah I want to critique it seriously, sorry if it felt like a hate fest lol.
I hated she hulk it was one of the worst shows the only reason it was good because Matt Murdock was in it I feel like abomination was wasted hulk just shows up with skar out of nowhere like tf I hated the finale it felt rushed and I’ll give it was creative but they totally wasted stealing her blood and who had it titania was awful I did love the actress who played she hulk but I fell short a lot and missing plots
Phase Not 4 Me started with crap and only had a couple shining moments for me. Black Widow and Falcon. Terrible writing and decisions ruined everything else.
I kw this is hard to say but why did they had t pick msmarvel n give her a character where she surpose t a gay superhero but as a Latino it looks like we're label that were from that side why they could pick aothere culture I'm sry but I just don't like it
Im gonna go against the grain but wakanda forever was bad. Namor is great, but the movie as a whole is really boring and really weird. I like all the characters which is the part that confuses me, but I think the action set pieces were very weak, and the final battle ruined the movie for me. It just feels stupid and the design for the submarine thing made no sense to me. But yeah I wish the plot was sturdier or something I cant put my finger on it.
This guy’s take on phase 4 sucks phase 4 is great. Yes there’s a couple of bad ones. Personally for me she-hulk, moonnight, and ms. Marvel were subpar. But everything else is NECESSARY in order for the phase to continue.. Edit: also Hawkeye was ass too
Just because its necessary doesn't mean the storytelling should suffer. A competent director/producers ought to marry the two concepts, not leave one stranded in favor of the other
People hate on love and thunder to much, it could of been better but it was still solid and funny. I do feel tho that it shouldn't of been like a copy of Ragnarök maybe change it up a little but still good movie.
Y’all act like people can have opinions lol this is what I mean when I say the she hulk so get really over hated on it not the best show but it have some good episodes and the side characters are good
@Lumalee! Thor Love And Thunder was bad but with She Hulk I could hardly even pay attention most of the time because of how bland and generic the show is.
Phase 4 felt less interconnected. I admire the experimental angle, however alot of ideas I feel could’ve been expanded much more. Like don’t give two hours limits for the movies. Allow them to breathe. I’m not heavily disappointed, we ended up getting gems like Spider Man No Way Home, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and shows like WandaVision, Loki, and Moon Knight. I just hope Phase 5 is tighter and starts to bring elements together, which I think it kind of will.
from what Kevin Feige said this phase is an experimental phase and introduction but I do admire they expiremented but most of them did not hit for me
Phase 4 gives me phase 2 vibes i fun ride but not that connected to anything
This was cool... thanks for making the video. I loved Loki, excited for season 2. I'd say the one solitary things I was most disappointed about for phase 4 was how bad the messed up a villain like Gore the God Butcher. In the comics he was do e so beautifully. His pain was so apparent and as much damage and carnage he was doing...you almost felt like it was right... justified and wanted him to succeed. I remember listening to an auditory reading of that comic and it gave me chills... when I found out he was in the movie I thought this was gonna be the best movie ever made. They fucked up how much of a bad ass he could have been to the MCU. He was down played and distilled to nothing of his comic book version. Anyways, keep the good work up brotha! I'm subscribing. Good luck!
Gorr was the only good thing in Thor 4, and I agree he wasn’t even given the full service he deserved. We barely saw him doing any butchering and he just needed more screen time.
Phase 4 is about foundations. It's setting foundations for phase 5 basically, just like phase 2 was more of a setup for phase 3
Phase 2 was way better than Phase 4, I only don't like Thor 2 in it, rest 5 were amazing
That statement doesn't make it any good though... It was still pretty mid phase
@pjritchie honestly, phase 4 had it so much easier. MCU had so much momentum, it was unstoppable. Phase 2 had to build up when the mcu had a comparatively small following to now. Phase 4 just kinda stumbled the fans with no purpose or buildup
@NoGamer 303true but phase 2 had a much smaller storyline to work with and phase 4 is starting to really go into comic territory which will be really hard for movies
Phase 4 is like Phase 2, except Phase 4 as dogshit. Although Phase 2 was mid ithad a much more competent storyline.
I like that they didn't have a big finale/threat at the end of the phase. It opens up to more character development and each movie/series have more freedom. It's just a shame a lot of the phase 4 content didn't utilize this freedom. It seems like it harmed the projects instead, because they didn't connect much to a bigger picture, and the quality wasn't good enough to stand on it's own. Like, in previous phases, if a movie wasn't the greatest, it still had watch value if it mattered to the big picture.
I really liked externals. Agree totally on what if but that zombies episode was amazing. Falcon and the winter soldier got so drawn out and after every episode I felt underwhelmed. Wanda vision was awesome but I built my expectations up too much. I kept thinking we were getting magneto or doctor strange in the finale. Loki was perfect. Hawkeye was fun loved kingpin. It should’ve been able to have been binged but it’s very mcu comedy stuff which is fine. Thor love and thunder not great wasted a film with Chris hemsworths Thor and Christian bale as gorr. She hulk was ok bit boring but it had daredevil so? Also still annoyed about the walk of shame thing they had him do but whatever
Great video. I liked Phase 4 alot. I see phase 4 more about character development than villains which is what I liked about it. Overall I like the diversity and variety more in Phase 4 than any of the other phases. The standouts were Wakanda Forever, No Way Home and Shang-Chi for me.
Werewolf by Night is forever iconic!!! 🌕🐺
You know, phase 4 of the MCU looks more like a Disneyland attraction where there is only over the top spectacle and mindless joy and I bet phase 5 and 6, the multiverse saga would be just like that, just a Disneyland attraction. Infinity Saga of the MCU was actually quite rich, artistic and well made in which all the characters and stories were lovable, from Ironman to Avengers Endgame, it was perfect.
Loved this video, I'm surprised this hasn't blown up as much as it deserves.
I really liked tfatws I know a lot of people didn’t like most of phase four but I haven’t heard anyone really trash talk this one. There’s was a lot of character development for both Bucky and Sam in this show that’s what I enjoyed the most about this
No one hated it but god damn was it just super boring
“Killmonger gets the Wakanda Forever line completely wrong.”
Wow, that’s crazy. Almost feels intentional. Like that’s the point.
Dude..
I agree with everything you said.
Wanda-Vision was really the best, especially Olsen's expression, I could feel every moment of that series, watched it again in 2023.
Loki - Yeah it kinda felt 'One who remain' is overacting
Only thing I did not like in "No way Home" is Dr. Strange. He was just a Dork. Everything else was great. Even MJ was interesting compared to last two Spiderman movies.
I like how much you talked about Mr. Marvel, She Hulk and Thor 4. These were really the worst project of all. & GoTG Holiday special didn't even feel like it is MCU project. That was much worse than bad T.V show.
Dorkter Strange
Great video my dude you made some good points keep up the great work yeah this phase was definitely something but for me not in a bad why I wouldn’t call it the awkward phase I would call it the experiment phase and to me this phase was really not has bad has people making it yes it not better then the others phase but it ain’t to bad. Here my opinion on all the movies and shows to good mid bad,Good:Spider-Man no way home, black panther, moon knight, Shang chi, Loki, wandavison, Hawkeye and werewolf by night and guardians of the galaxy special. MID: captain America and the winter soldier,what if, dr strange 2 ms marvel. Bad: black widow, the eternals, thor 4 and she hulk
if there was one big changed I could make to this phase is make it focus more on the snap and how the world is liked without the averagers and then all that would lead up to averagers movie in this phase ( since it didn’t get one) and if ( modok wasn’t in antman 3 ) then the plot would be the new averagers taking down the rebuild AIM. And the main 5 would be captain America, Spider-Man, black panther, Shang chi and stay with me on this one… she hulk. I know I know I don’t liked the show ether but in a couple episodes their was good moments with her character and if you could take out all her bad moments and make her a bit more like her in the comics I think people would liked her more. But anyway that’s just my opinion great work just sub
Kudos for using Apex of the World for your bgm. It's a pleasant surprise hearing Fire Emblem music, especially for a MCU video of all things.
Why do you only have 300 subs. You deserve so much more bro. Keep up the quality and subs will follow ;)
Never have I ever disagreed more with a ranking but nonetheless still a great retrospective
About the GotG holiday special, I think I found the way to watch it in order to make people laugh with it.
You have to watch X-Men First Class where Kevin Bacon plays Sebastian Shaw (one of my favorite villains in a comic book movie). After this watch the GotG holiday special with the mindset that Kevin Bacon is just Sebastian Shaw in disguise who is terrified of everyone after what happened to him.
Wandavision: the cgi fight was a demmand from the producers. Still, Vision ends the fight with a philosofical argument and Wanda with the acceptance of magic. As for pay-off...well, the theme was grief, imo the ending was fantastic.
I haven't watched everything in mcu season 4 (or I started and didn't finish...), but there was a massive drop in quality this time around - storytelling, vfx, etc... in wandavision, I didn't like how wanda was clearly intended to be the villain, but at the last minute the creators chickened out and glossed over the fact that she brainwashed and held hostage a while town... in tfatws the flagsmashers did have a message and I dare say they were right, but were also made to do awful things to push the message that they were the true villains instead of the government officials... looks like pandering to certain someones for me... loki, sadly, copied the ragnarok style and it was a huge mistake in my books, because at that moment loki did not have the character development that he had in ragnarok (also not the biggest fan of sylvie). the multiverse of madness really felt like the movie was made from crucial scenes cut out of a longer series, like a recap or sth
I can’t stop thinking about those teenagers working in that Dairy Queen that died the day EGO went all expansion! Cause I worked at a Dairy Queen as a high school student…weren’t very many adults at all working there…even the managers were high school kids so…
I Think The Good side of Phrase 4 are SM NWH,BP 2 WF,Moon Knight,Loki and Shang chi..Rest are rather Below Average or Bad
werewolf by night gotghs and ms marvel are not below average tbh
Idc what others say, personally I loved phase four. I loved every show (Ms Marvel & Loki R my faves). And the movies were great too. Including Thor 4.
Some of phase four movies should've been in between the infinity war-endgame(Eternals, Shang-chi, Black Widow and She-hulk)
I can’t believe she hulk wasn’t hated on way more
@Trey Way what shows cause there is way worse then she hulk. the show isn’t even that bad it’s just dumb fun while other shows are just ass in every way
@Banana King I’ve seen so many shows... She-Hulk is the worst I’ve ever seen and it’s not even close.
@Trey Way you need to watch more shows lmao
@Some Random Dog On The Internet that’s probably the only way to enjoy the show 😂
@Trey Way oh noes, someone has a different opinion than me about something very subjective, what will I do with myself
Elisabeth Olsen was simply 😲
Honestly speaking, I've got some pretty hot takes on Phase 4
Like Eternals was great and overhated, I think I just felt fresh after watching that, I enjoy it
Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Thor 4, GOTG Special were literally trash, I couldn't even finish She-Hulk on its first weekly run
Rest of the projects were from average to Amazing
Like I think Moon Knight, TFATWS, Wakanda Forever were okay
The others like Doctor Strange 2, NWH, Loki, WandaVision were my top phase 4 movies/series
I'm trying to remember if I forgot a movie or a show, and that's the problem of Phase 4
I can name every phase 1 2 3 movie and other Marvel ABC, Netflix shows but I can forget a Phase 4 show or movie
Phase 4 just felt like a mess they released in 2 years randomly... "Let's release 5 shows and 4 movies a year to please fans" Well I was a fan till Phase 3, but I also felt that Marvel fatigue in Phase 4
I knew Since Far From Home something about Phase 4 Felt Off and I was Right,Loki,Hawkeye,Moon Knight,What If…,No Way Home,Multiverse of Madness,Werewolf by Night,and Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas Special,the Rest are Either Overrated or God Awful that instead of making New Things,they show Use what Work and Evolve It while being Faithful.
@ভাঙ্গা খারাপ who me?
duh phrase 4 started with black widow tf are you on?
Phase 4 gives me phase 2 vibes
A lot of the Disney plus shows feel too long to be fun like the marvel movies and too short to get invested like a real show
I want to make a phase 4 rewatch, any ideas on how to rewatch the shows quckly?
My idea is the only rewatch a couple of crucial episodes of each show, what you think guys?
@raiden stark I like that idea a lot actually but are you trying to do likes kinda fast rewatch because I think you can finish that in like a week or so or are you trying to watch all the shows and movies and get the experience because while I like your Oder you lose some of that experience when skipping episodes. I just been watching them in timeline oder I am now on guardians of the galaxy vol 1 because I started watching the full mcu like 2 months ago
@Dang Good Food! i been thinking and i have an idea,
So the starting point is loki, only rewatching episode 1 and 6, ( episode 1 is a follow up to endgame and episode 6 is the big set up of the mutiverse war)
Then wandavision episodes 8 and 9
Then falcon and the winter soldier episodes 1, 2, and 6
Then eternals, no way home, doctor strange 2.
Then shang chi, continuing with she hulk episodes 2 and 3 (works as a follow)
Then it's time for haweye, rewatching episodes 2,4,6
Then moon knight episodes 2,3,6.
After that were wolf by night, thor 4 and ending with black panther 2 (according a producer thor 4 black panther 2 and ant man 3 happen around the same time)
I'll skip ms marvel, black widow works better after civil war and before black panther 1, and also skipping the guardians special is not useful.
I also created a better way to rewatch phase 1, phase 3 is too lineal there's only one way to watching it and still figuring out a better phase 2 rewatch
What do you think?
Like I said idk I don’t think there is a fast way to watch all of these because it so much shows and movies but I hope you enjoy the ride
I don’t really have any ideas I think the best you can do is skip what if black widow, and the 2 specials
With Falcon and the Winter solider had to change because of covid
It's not "the one above all" It's the one who remains
I like your videos
It's just my ocd I think 🤓🥳🥳
Dope. Would love to collab on a video essay.
Fried as hell and get to find a small channel with fire content? W night 🙏🏽
My Top 5:
01. Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)
02. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)
03. Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings (2021)
04. Loki (2021)
05. Werewolf by Night (2022)
Wandavision was incredible
MCU should’ve formatted so much better, I suggest having movies like Shang chi and black widow not part of the “phases” and act as a stand alone film that doesn’t affect the universe in a particular way and just acts as a movie to flesh out the many MANY characters they are introducing, then u can have a select movies like multiverse of madness and Ant man that do affect the phases and act as a story building up to an ultimate climax, I have no problem with movies being interconnected but we’ve reach a point where you HAVE to watch an earlier movie in order for anything to make sense, this isn’t a simple avengers origin then avengers movie phase like phase 1 this is an intricate story telling that ties wayyyy too many movies together, you see this in the comics tho not everything has to build up to something they need to focus on individual stories, as for the Disney+ shows scrap that being part of any phase neither the idea of phase 4 has been shitted on ever since they started spamming out content without any depth or material and has made everything so confusing
Since the death of Iron Man, Heimdal,Black Widow, the Steve Rogers disappearing timeline and the Loki disappearing act...
Only hardened my view that this whole #MarvelMultiverse was the #Disney way of cutting down the wage bill by getting rid of the OG characters- without the fanbase having a fit !
#Disney just another penny pinching corporation - not good 😐
Vision is the most non robotic robots
I'm sorry but the fact that She hulk is ranked higher than Moon Knight sends me. Literally the only good part of She Hulk was the beginning and then when they showed more of Matt and that's it.
How does she hulk and ms marvel come before falcon and the winter soldier 🤔.
WandaVision, Only really good on a week to week when you don't know what's coming. Vision was great. Most stuff was eh. Lots of stuff was just genuinely bad. Could remove Monica and everything would be the same.
Falcon And The Winter Soldier has some great stuff, but it's a good 25% of a Marvel movie stretched to be 6 hours. Pacing is awful. Villains are awful. The good is stretched beyond natural limits and some stuff like Sharon Carter is downright terrible. Zemo was the best part and was also wasted.
Loki is so hard to care about as a main character, and my care becomes non existent when it's only about non essential variants. No stakes. No care. No like.
Black Widow is painfully average and should have been released 4 years before it actually was. It's so egregiously mid and it's such a shame because with just a few tiny tweaks it could have been masterful.
What if...? Has wildly inconsistent quality in episodes where some are downright terrible, some are just okay, and some of them are so good they should be movies.
Shang-Chi is one of the clearest movies that I can describe as "good" with confidence. Not alright. Not great. But definitely good. Could use a few tweaks, but it's fun, exciting, thrilling, and incredibly hype. Definitely the best fight choreography of the entire MCU. Makes me want more so much.
Eternals is so boring and there's really nothing positive I can say about it. Makes the MCU worse.
Hawkeye is genuinely fun. The plot is genuinely bad and the main characters forget what it is like twice. No stakes. No interest. But wow is it entertaining somehow. Very few characters I dislike. I could watch a show just about these characters talking about Christmas... Which is mostly what it is.
Spider-Man: No Way Home. Masterpiece. Enough said.
Moon Knight is easily my favorite Disney+ show. They finally got the perfect mixture between movie and tv show with this awful 6-9 episode tv series format. Outstanding character work that progresses perfectly. The action is used thoughtfully and sparingly and is always entertaining. Never once wanted to speed something up. I love Moon Knight so much.
Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness is genuinely my least favorite MCU movie. Sure there is some cool stuff, but there is so much stupid in it I felt insulted the entire time. I did not want to watch a battle between the writer and the chained up director handle one of my favorite superheroes. Every character in it is an absolute idiot and it makes the experience painful. The plot could be solved by a 9 year old or 2 characters not talking like idiots to each other.
Miss Marvel is uninspired and boring. I found no charm in it but I suppose it's not meant for me.
Thor Love and Thunder is a good first draft of a movie that tries to be 12 times as funny as Ragnarok but only succeeds 25% of the time. The plot is a comedian coming up with the quickest ways to get his SNL cast to another bit. Such a shame that it has such cool things like Christian Bale as the best MCU villain on paper and thinks he's in a serious movie. For the most part it's a bad joke but there's good to be had in a rough draft.
She-Hulk is the worst thing Marvel has ever made. A self insert writer who wants to have sex with Daredevil writes herself to be a horrible human being. Absolutely horrid.
Werewolf by Night is a weird experiment, but I cannot call it bad. It's clever and entertaining, but makes me wish I was watching a movie instead of a chopped up bit of fluff.
Guardians of The Galaxy Holiday Special is fun and cute. It's funny and is just a bit of fluff about things I already like.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever really is just consoomer slop. Nothing is inspired. It's a weird Chadwick Boseman obituary. The actual "substance" of the film is laughable and makes the world feel dumber.
People defending Phase 4 as a fan
Remember those days when we were excited for Civil War, Homecoming, Infinity War, Endgame? Those were truly great times and Phase 4 is just meh compared to Phase 3...
And don't even tell me "Oh it's a base, they're setting up something big!" That doesn't make it any good
It was still mid
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I think Dr. Strange 2 is not only the worst of this phase but honestly the worst MCU property since Phase 2. How is this the same strange we saw in Endgame? How is this the same Wanda we saw in WandaVision? Sam Raimi is likely my least name able director though, so nothing in this movie hit any better than Evil Dead 2, which hits none of my pleasure points.
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Best (imo): No Way Home, Werewolf By Night, Moon Knight, Wakanda Forever, Multiverse of Madness, and Wandavision.
Good/Okay (imo): Ms Marvel, Falcon & Winter Soldier, Shang-Chi, Loki, Hawkeye, and Black Widow.
Worst (imo): Love & Thunder, She-Hulk, and Eternals.
WandaVision didn't start phase 4 off with a bang, it was bad from beginning, the show was so corny and it looked cheap.
The Falcon and The Winter Soldier was even worse. Falcon sucks he drags the entire show down, nothing about him is interesting. Should've just been a Bucky show.
Never saw Loki, just have no interest in the character anymore he overstayed his welcome imo. I did see a clip of the ending tho which looked good but I'm not sitting thru all of that.
I did like the 1st 15 minutes of Black Widow but don't remember anything after that.
Shang Chi is really good but the 3rd act and Akwafina really kill the rewatch value.
Eternals was just a nothing of a movie, everything felt weightless and wasted
Saw the 1st episode of Hawk Eye thought it was terrible and just gave up on it.
No Way Home is trash. The apartment scene and the ending are good but everything else is garbage. The nostalgia binge Hollywood is on just feels lazy and repetitive. Everything is rushed and the cgi is just terrible.
Doctor Strange 2 is actually good imo but could be nit picked apart. And the fight scenes are massively underwhelming.
Black Panther 2 was trash too. Crap cgi and if you're a person who doesn't get attached to celebrities then it's not sad at all because T'Challa wasn't well developed at all and I personally had no attachment to the character. Shuri's acting was terrible and she looks like slender man in the suit and the villain is just generic bland bad guy you've seen a thousand times before. And fight choreography is some of the worst I've ever seen
No way is She Hulk better than moonknight
Yeah she-hulks is a bit better paced, not much better than Moon Knight for me tho
What If Doctor Strange Lost His Heart instead of his hands completely broke Endgame's time travel rules and made Christine's death a fixed point in time when she's still alive in the main timeline. How is that the best What If episode?
Also, No Way Home's plot made absolutely no sense.
And you are really going to rank Loki at number 1? A show with a plot that shouldn't have happened because if the Avengers' time heist was necessary, then Loki would have had to steal the Tesseract? Not to mention that since the Battle of New York just recently happened from Loki's perspective, he doesn't have the character development that made the sacred timeline Loki a hero. The Loki series is terribly written. The cliffhanger with Kang taking over the TVA at the end ignores Endgame's rules. In fact, going by the multiverse time travel rules from Endgame, shouldn't the branches in the timeline always be there? As Hulk said "Changing the past doesn't change the future," what is the urgency of taking time criminals anyway? I really hate how Endgame's time travel rules gets thrown out the window.
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My opinions:
Wandavision: great, i loved it. Hated the sword stuff though.
FATWS: great. Has major flaws, but I really like it for all of the positives explained in the video.
Loki: fucking incredible. Some of the MCUs best content. Top tier MCU. Cant wait to see kang in ant man
Black widow: I thought it was really good. First 2 acts of the film were excellent, well paced and thought provoking. Although i didnt hate the third act, it was pretty mediocre. Still enjoyed it overall.
What if: didnt like this one. A few really fun episodes like doc strange and tchalla star lord, but it really was not great.
Shang-chi: awesome and amazing. One of my favourite MCU films. Top 10 for sure. Perfect blockbuster imo (balances a thought provoking story with comedy and action) really fun characters as well.
Eternals: bad film imo. Gorgeous cinematography and nice action. Everything else was not very good at all.
No way home: has its flaws, I dont care. Was such a fun and emotionally powerful spiderman character study, whilst still being one of the most epic and entertaining mcu films out there. Love it.
Hawkeye: fun and entertaining, but nothing special. Loved Kate.
Moon knight: absolutely loved it until the finale. Wasnt terrible but felt like the most dissapointing finale of them all.
MoM: it was decent. I enjoyed it, and Sam Raimi did an amazing job, but the writing isnt great. I dont like what it did with the characters of Strange and Wanda tbh. I think it'll get better when we see kang dynasty and secret wars.
Love and Thunder: a total shitshow. Gorr was kinda cool (though underutilised) but other than that it was terrible. One of the worst MCU films ever.
Ms Marvel: was a fun ride. Nothing too special but I found the character really likeable.
She-hulk: worst thing in the whole mcu for me. By a mile.
Wakanda forever: fucking incredible. Best of the whole phase for me.
I thought both specials were great.
Just my opinions. I get why its hated, but personally I liked it.
I like what if
"pizza dog was goo boy"
He is complaining about CGI fest🤣. People crave for CGI and he says it's too much.
18 eternals
17 what if
16 falcon and the winter soldier
15 I am groot
14 werewolf by night
13 black widow
12 Loki
11 Wandavision
10 moon knight
9 she-hulk
8 multiverse of madness
7 Shang-chi
6 Hawkeye
5 guardians holiday special
4 Thor love and thunder
3 ms marvel
2 black panther wakanda forever
1 Spider-Man no way home
It call intro phase gave use on key people coming up
Most were ok at best (which isn’t good for this franchise), apart from She-Hulk which was poo on a stick.
Background music: fire emblem 3 houses
idk what’s the point of ranking or hating this phase it’s like ranking the first phase of marvel itself it’s building up just wait til secret wars
Not with the current line up, I won't
I love Multiverse of Madness, Wanda is a bad bitch
She the baddest bitch
bro is over here judging the holiday special and how most ppl thought it was cute and pretty decent when he likes SHE-HULK??? she-hulk was so cheesy and tried way too hard. no.
Wow the name of this guy's channel should be hold my hate I have never seen such a magnificent display of hateration
That's funny. I mean I feel like I love the MCU more than a lot of people, but yeah I want to critique it seriously, sorry if it felt like a hate fest lol.
what i liked:
Eternals
gotghs
shang chi
fatws
drsmom
spdmnwh
wv
mk
hawkeye
bpwf
What i didnt like
loki
thor4
she-hulk
whatif
msmarvel
Black widow
@Rayena 2K Black Widow
@Chance ? If you mean wandavision well i didnt its "wv"
You forgot one. The first one actually
Just beginning
Yep after those rankings I never have to listen to you again good luck.
I didn’t get past number 8.
Good video but please never say “micro aggressions” again.
Every phase had atleast 1 Avenger movie. Phase 4 was just bad.
I think Quantummania would be best movie since Phase 4.
I hated she hulk it was one of the worst shows the only reason it was good because Matt Murdock was in it I feel like abomination was wasted hulk just shows up with skar out of nowhere like tf I hated the finale it felt rushed and I’ll give it was creative but they totally wasted stealing her blood and who had it titania was awful I did love the actress who played she hulk but I fell short a lot and missing plots
Phase Not 4 Me started with crap and only had a couple shining moments for me. Black Widow and Falcon. Terrible writing and decisions ruined everything else.
I kw this is hard to say but why did they had t pick msmarvel n give her a character where she surpose t a gay superhero but as a Latino it looks like we're label that were from that side why they could pick aothere culture I'm sry but I just don't like it
Im gonna go against the grain but wakanda forever was bad. Namor is great, but the movie as a whole is really boring and really weird. I like all the characters which is the part that confuses me, but I think the action set pieces were very weak, and the final battle ruined the movie for me. It just feels stupid and the design for the submarine thing made no sense to me. But yeah I wish the plot was sturdier or something I cant put my finger on it.
you often say 'this movie' or this series' without saying the actual name of the show/movie. makes it difficult to listen along
Thanks Patrick! I’ll legit keep that in mind, wanna get better at making these
i feel like me and u watched a completely different She-Hulk that shows worse then Thor 4 for me
she hulk is way to overhated bruh 6 eps were good
She-Hulk is a sin. One of the worst things to happen in the existence of Cinema
This guy’s take on phase 4 sucks phase 4 is great. Yes there’s a couple of bad ones. Personally for me she-hulk, moonnight, and ms. Marvel were subpar. But everything else is NECESSARY in order for the phase to continue..
Edit: also Hawkeye was ass too
Just because its necessary doesn't mean the storytelling should suffer. A competent director/producers ought to marry the two concepts, not leave one stranded in favor of the other
Bro...Hawkeye for me was the worst one
Honestly it was one of the worst for me initially too, I liked it a lot more after rewatch
People hate on love and thunder to much, it could of been better but it was still solid and funny. I do feel tho that it shouldn't of been like a copy of Ragnarök maybe change it up a little but still good movie.
Wait. That was the phase 4. They were mostly low budgeted tv shows. An Externals su-u-ucked.
I can’t believe you like She Hulk. That’s WAY worse then Thor Love and Thunder.
Y’all act like people can have opinions lol this is what I mean when I say the she hulk so get really over hated on it not the best show but it have some good episodes and the side characters are good
To each their own, the humor for she-hulk is definitely hit or miss. I mainly just liked the characters and the more episodic format of the show.
@Lumalee! Thor Love And Thunder was bad but with She Hulk I could hardly even pay attention most of the time because of how bland and generic the show is.
Ehhhhhhhhhh can’t say thatttt