Ahhhhhh maybe because the seed of Cain was cursed and has never been a colonizer?! Lol what a joke if one could only interpret scriptures. He would understand sound history
it is perhaps worth mentioning, from a historian's perspective, that the americas were less profitable than india and china until the 20th century. this is usually overseen, if you are not an academic historian, or familiar with economics. although spain became rich thanks to the silver mines of the americas, it was still inferior to both india and china until today. we, westerners, often overestimate the wealth of the americas, although it should be clear that the heavily populated and developed empires of south and east asia, especially the indian sub continent and china, were the number 1 and 2 wealthiest economies until 1850 for good reasons. yes, great britain became the world's biggest economical power only after it took large portions of india, and after it defeated china, and then won in the second industrial revolution (around 1850).
@Your Boy Mr Mac Many factors involved, few random thoughts: - flemish territories and artisans able to produce very good quality of cannons -insane effectiveness of the dutch trading network, excellent geographic location : Rotterdam was the major and only one trading place. Even When flemish/United Prov. fabricated cannons weren't sold there, the other nations still shipped their cannons to Rotterdam. Any transaction of valuable goods was there, so was always a win/win situation. Even the English when kicked the Dutch out of North America keept using the dutch agents and trading network, because was just the best.Clever and humble enough to recognize it - well accostumed to the stormy waters of the North Sea, United Provinces were almost the only ones able to build vessels able to match up the quality of the english ones. Later, taking out the portugues from the Indian Ocean routes increased even more their trading. - Tolerance and probably a lesser taxations and no jew persecutions , let to the creation of a more and more bigger concentration of what we call now "human capital".
People tend to forget that creating a transocean empire was a remarkably difficult task and, contrary to the common belief, they consumed more resources than could be benefited from. France failed in creating a sustainable colony, England needed over a century and The Netherlands only created little more than commercial posts. The Otomans never had a realistic chance.
@eburcua It was a difficult task to do, but Western Europeans did it because that was the only way to get rich. And it was only really Spain that really got rich because they were able to control all the prosperous and wealthy societies of America (Aztecs, Incas, etc)
@eburcua "as the eastern europe already had!" How was Vienna? How did your battles against the Russian Empire go? lol. Still need help from the British and French?
Really loved this video! Ever since I played age of empires 3 I’ve wondered why the Ottoman Empire didn’t at least send exploration expeditions into the new world and now I feel informed as to why. Thanks guys, you are one of the best history channels hands down!
I recently got it on sale and the dialog by Sahin at the end of the first campaign is very racist and Euro-centric. The Ottoman empire was not a "relic of the past" at the time Sahin left in the story. That didn't happen until 300 years after the campaign's events.
I don't know who does your art and editing for these videos but they are becoming ridiculously high quality. They are almost as interesting to watch as the stories themselves! Kudos!
Shame that the great naval Battle of Diu, between the Portuguese and the Ottomans, wasn't even mentioned in this video. It would be awesome to see it covered in this channel one day.
They consider it to be sign of power of the Ottomans when in 1654 we lost the battle of Aceh in the other end of the world, however when a country with less than 1.5 million people like us created forts under their noses in Ormuz, Muscate, Socotra Island is considered irrelevant xD. Yet they didnt ever built forts in any atlantic island anytime nor in the western coast of Africa whatsoever.
Very nice animations and music so well used, that I enjoyed every minute of the documentary. You guys are getting better and better with every video. It is very nice to experience this development, while learning so much in the meantime. Keep up the astonishingly great work, K&G.
Really glad you mentioned Peter Frankopan's book. It is the most intricate, detailed piece of historical document/book I have read so far. It's almost comically detailed and he manages to set the full picture through extensive, but very intriguing descriptions. The author covers not only the immediate geographical regions of the the silk road, far from it, it is merely used symbolic and as an anchor point, the book ventures through internal politics, trade over the oceans, warfare, aristocratic attitudes, quotes on internal and foreign affairs and so much more. It is a book that covers the linking dots more or less all over the world. Thank you for your time :)
i read history a lot and i think i am capable of analyzing it in modest level. So as a turkish person i can tell that this video is the most accurate and precise source to suggest to people even in turkey...congrats my friends, following you since 2017... love u :)
I paused the video in the third minute where it claims a city belonged to a Country that didnt exist back then and that city was never part of the Kingdom of Morroco... How is this video accurate?
This is so fascinating. In school we are given the impression of a sequestered ancient world with individual bubbles that were only opened, or "discovered" by European explorers. But to see how interconnected everything was so early on gives a much better view.
İnsan I'm not European, I'm from Argentina. It's just what we were taught, no way around it. In China they teach a very China centric history too, it's just natural for each country to do.
They were surrounded by European countries. A non-stop war with other sovereigns, lot of revolts, unprepared for the rapid development and modernity outside their territories and an old regime system that was already obsolete at that time. A lot of factors. But you did a great video in here. Thank yoh so much. This is an interesting and most frequentl asked question whenever someone come to learn about 16 or 17 century's geopolitic..
Always wondered this since playing AoE III, which strangely had the Ottomans as a playable faction, even though they never had New World colonies (whereas Sweden and Denmark did...). Very well explained.
Very well appointed! But I can't help thinking that the main impediment was geography. And if they managed to overcome this great obstacle, I wonder if they would be able to overcome a perhaps even greater one: the strong Portuguese-Spanish opposition in the Atlantic!
America is out of colonial range for the Ottomans to colonize, unless they conquered Morocco (which they never had), in this case only a late game diplomatic tech could help them colonize America
@DenzelSmashSymptom Indeed Morocco had plans to have colonies in the americas, the Moroccan sultan Ahmed El Mansur managed to make agreements with the english queen Elizabeth to conquer spain and its american colonies unfortunately both died before reaching their goals.
@DenzelSmashSymptom the portuguese and the spanish had conquered many moroccan coastal cities such as Mazagan (Jadida), Mogador (Essaouira), Assilah, Agadir and Ceuta which made the moroccan navy weaker.
As a Turkish guy myself I am curious about this subject. There are some theories about it. First Ottomans were a land Empire beacuse of their Central asian steppe origins. Seafaring traditions started by first Turkish admiral Çaka Bey but not continued after his murder by Seljuk Sultan. After that Barbarossa made Ottomans rulers of the Mediterrenean and built a strong navy but failed to persuade the İbrahim Pasha to sailing to the New world. Also the Janisseries were influential on Ottomans war policy and they insisted on conquering the Hungary and Vienna. But most importantly Ottomans had trade routes from İndia and China to İstanbul. They think it is too little to gain with going to such faraway lands. And it was not easy because of Spanish naval force on Gibraltar and Mediterrenean. Lastly Ottomans failed in İndian Ocean campains in Suleiman the Magnificents time beceause their ships were Kadırga not Galleons suited for voyaging the oceans. If you have any other ideas please let me now🙂
@Mr Kresek "Ottoman and arab just want to trade without wanting to take it". Mughal Empire is proof of this. The empire remained majority Hindu and the language they used by the end was the locally inspired Urdu, not Arabic or Turkish or Farsi. What American today speaks the Iroquois language or one derived by a mixture of that and English?
@Bark if they were you would speak Turkish in Europe Now :) Look at all Africa 60% speaks English rest speaks french, Spanish, porteqez, and don’t mention the rest of the world. There’re I think all immigrant should be able grant a citizen ship according to their masters language, there will be no problem, Europeans colonise these nations, explored them but now they want them, which other nations Turks/ottomans benefiting today?
Don't know why the Turkish historians don't focus on this topic. Best video so far on this topic! Unfortunately the Ottoman Empire is very unknown to the Europeans although they changed the history remarkeble. Thanks you for introducing them!
Every Ottoman episode is backed up with "Üsküdar'a Gider İken" and every time it is a home run, both in the terms of content and soundtrack. Keep up the good work. Suggest: while on topic of Ottomans, a couple of episodes are due for their decline
Two things are missing in this video: Columbus asked Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II for sponsorship to his project, which was declined. (However, i am informed that this story is fabricated later by Evliya Çelebi in 17th century) Hayreddin Barbarossa suggested venturing to Americas, which the Grand Vizier Ibrahim Pasha declined, stating that "The Empire should focus on dominating the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean.
ibrahim pasha was right thou..what was in the americas that was useful at the time(dont know)...i would of focused on africa more,,with all the raw materials
This is by far the most eloquent historical and economics description of the monumental historical events in Europe and the Middle East in the 16th Century. Thank you.
The history of some of those maps is pretty crazy. The made them from some unknown ancient sources and referenced antarctica correctly without it having been officially discovered until the 1800's
Yeah! I had seen somewhere the Byzantines (or early Ottomans, can't remember which one) had actually followed Africa south and just kept going. They brought back sweet maps. Seeing all the ice were like, "Yup, thats the bottom"
Generally it's the countries with lots of wealth but little land area who colonise across oceans, the Greek cities, England Venice and Portugal are good examples
The Admiral was totally defeated by portuguse, and after the defeat imprisioned, accused of treason, by the way, he himself said he drew the map in 2523, and wrote some of the sources he took, if you think whiskipedia is a source of real knowledge you sre just a fool, and about wars and battles, remember that the nation that kicked your arse the most was Spain.
The spanish colonized and set up 130 settlements (misiones) in the Appalachians and north, the last one 100 km far from what today is Washington during XVI-XVIIth centuries, first town in America was San Juan in South Caroline, I don't remember the exact year 1560-1565, and today the oldest one is San Agustin 1565, by the way the big navy power , explorer and colonizer was Spain followed by Portugal.
@Septiawan Rizky I used it to guard my ships, then used a bunch of ships to attack the fountain. If you only let it attack the fountain the Circle sends ships to your island and destroys your base.
2:30 The anime and manga "Altair: A Record of Battles" (Shoukoku no Altair) made many references about this. The protagonist (who is a pasha, a general, of the Turkiye Stratocracy) made friends with the Doce of Venice (Venedik). The manga and anime was roughly based on the Ottoman Empire (Mehmed II), its relationship with other countries and its competition with the Holy Roman Empire (or Balt-Rhein Empire).
A nicely informative video. It confirmed a few suspicions I had about the Ottoman's when I saw this video's title. It was great. I would appreciate it very much if I saw your next video on the Imjin war. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Every single time you fascinate us with different animations that is so enjoyable to watch. I cant decide wich one is the best but can say you guys choose the right for the right video such as but not limited to this one and the Sicily and mongolian invations and Switzerland and many many more all done beautifully good job.
Thanks for the video. After reading several of Historian Roger Crowley's books on the Mediterranean, the rise of Venice, the Fall of Constantinople as well as the Porguese expansion east, one conclusion is that though the Ottoman empire was far more powerful and organized that any of the European kingdoms the smaller European nations competed against each other, and in some cases were actually Republics run by merchants like Venice and Genoa and later Holland. So while Venice was a small city state- with a number of holdings and though it lost out in the expansion to the west, that state and business model ultimately outcompeted the Ottomans.
This feels tautological. The reason for the Iberian interest in the Americas was the Ottoman conquests in the East (which blocked access to the Indian ocean). How could the Ottomans be motivated to head West across the Atlantic if the motivation to do so was to arrive where they already were?
Stop insulting and slandering people and instead do your geological research, lady. America is divided into three tectonic plates, which match the traditional divisions of the landmass into South America, Central America and North America.
It's interesting to learn that the rise of the Portuguese empire indirectly led to the fall of the Mamluk Sultanate (who also played more of a role in Spain's & Portugal's colonial drive then just simply the fall of Constantinople).
@Spade Jack we lacked the numbers to even call it "an empire". we just built a bunch of forts and traded with the locals then went back to the homeland. the only place where colonization was taken seriously was brazil, where at some point half of our population of 1.5 million just left to go there
@Spade Jack What I mean is that a lot of people nowadays like to call it an empire (though not myself of course). I think a lot of people have a new definition for empire that’s not the official definition(I personally don’t care either way).
I love all your videos.. very creative refreshing and I can even explain to my children about history using the videos. Straighforward and simple explanation
i find kings and generals to be the best unbiased & thorough source of information on ottoman history, a subject so delicate and complicated many history enthusiasts on this platform have failed while attempting to explain.
It's a bit later than this video but Price Frederick of Germany had a personal colony in Texas, it's still there. The Prince went himself to Texas to set it up. They were invited by the Govt of the moment in Mexico. Look on the map Southish and West of Austin at Fredericksburg, Texas. That colony gave rise to a unique South Texas music genre still popular today. Tejano with Selena as the most famous. Also style Conjunto and a few others use German instruments and wear leaderhosen. Also, the Pope used a World Map and drew lines on it, as to who got what .... except of course Britain doesnt follow the pope but at least they now have a map to see who to invade. While not Govt Offical Colonies, large areas of Texas were settled with land grants from Mexico to European settlers,Poland, Italy, Czech,
Actually the ottomans did try venture into the new world, and we're in fact aided by a renegade contingent of Maltese hospitaller knights and Inca prisoners. They were commanded by Sahin 'the falcon' to stop the secret society known as the 'circle of ossus' and successfully defeated them by destroying the fountain of youth. There's a great interactive documentary about it called 'Age of Empires III'
@Zuber Singh yes. I also hope. A modder has already made sikh confederacy but it is a mod that we have to install. I hope they do some changes and add the mod( mod means modification) in aoe3 wars of liberty.
It's interesting that the main combattants in the region: Ottomans, Polish, Austrians and Germans -- who were the most powerful in these two centuries, didn't participate in the colonization process that was undertaken by other less powerful states (with the exception of Spain who was at a time also very powerful)
@Maurits Van Oranje I mean yeah the Spanish were not but what do you prefer to see people get decapitated by sacrifice everyday for no reason or do you prefer to pay taxes and be Christian so you do not get killed I mean I'm part of that native American and Spanish descendance if any other country other than Spain would of had taken over than Latin America would probably be full with white people
@Maurits Van Oranje ok them with the black people owning slave i give that to you too and the prince of Ashanti living in Netherlands I give that to you too
@Maurits Van Oranje but I mean if the dutch never ruled Indonesia alone how can it be part of the dutch empire like to be considered part of your empire you have to have total control
@Maurits Van Oranje yes but the spanish built other places too like literally all the of the southern United States was built by the spanish except Louisiana I live here In the USA and I can tell you most houses have Spanish designs most states in the usa have Spanish NES and there are a lot of states who's flags are from spains imperial flag like alabamas flag Florida's flag and other states flag and that's just the United States and the Spanish built so much in Latin American countries churches houses universities hospitals gold mines everything but it's not spain's fault other pain Americans countries are poor that's just on them I mean they were the ones who wanted the independance and look at them now not only buildings but the food the language the culture the holidays tbhad a huger impact than any other empire that exsisted the Spanish empire was a real empire unlike the British empire they had full control of there empire literally that's why almost all the land controled by Spain still speak Spanish have spanish influence in either language architecture religion literally almost every former territory of the British empire does not speak English as their first language does not have any influence in Britain architecture does not have any Christ related religion as their main religion they do not have any food related to Britain unlike almost all countries conquered by Spain still speak Spanish still have spanish cuisine still have Spanish religion slash christiany because the spanish had total control ALMOST everywhere they conquered unlike any other empire like the British dutch French Portugues ottoman like even the united states of America has more spanish influence than british influence
One little mistake there. You said the Ottomans took Tunis in 1560, but they actually first captured it in 1534, then lost it in 1535 to Charles V, then recaptured it again in 1568, then lost in 1573 to the Spanish, and finally took it in 1574 to hold until the French conquest of Tunis in 1881-1883. Otherwise great video! Love your work, keep it up!!!!!
@Kill Me You go ahead and live your life in the best way possible and just ignore these "Muslims" who just want to bully you. May you have a nice day! Cheers from a fellow non-Muslim (never was one to begin with) in America. 👍
Considering this channel from the few videos I've seen of it is focused on wars and battles.. the one-upsmanship of Portuguese versus Ottoman's in the Indian, and the veritable world war that started.. I was expecting a bit more detail on this. There are many curious battles, invasions of independent countries, and a complex web of intricate alliances with indian, east affrican and indonesian states that both states utilized. The battle of Benadir is one such example of this evolving conflict.
To summarise, it's the kingdom of Morocco 🇲🇦 who was one of the biggest brake/stopper of the ottomans to expand west, the pride of Moroccans is still until today a major trait of its people, we would like you to do a video on the king moulay ismail from the alaouite dynasty (the one still ruling morocco) who reconcurred major cities who were on the Atlantic costs as mazagan, luxus and maybe others but couldn't retake sebta and melilia who are still Spanish till today, it could be a great topic
Hello guys, and thanks for your exceptionally good work. I really enjoyed the narration and es[ecially the visual style of your video. Can you please tell me how do you make it? What program is being used to draw the pics and edit the video? Or maybe there is a way to order a video in such a style from you?
@shar bee Turks are Asians from the country that we call Turkmenistan as well as from the area of northwest China known as "Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" There are MANY genetic sub-groups/ ethnicities of Asians The people who settled most of the Americas (Turtle Island) are composed of several distinct groups that migrated in waves over many thousands of years. (The Inuit of the north being the last wave of Asian migration) It is possible that some of the Ice Age Europeans may have migrated to what is known as the eastern USA. It is also possible that some people migrated into South America from Polynesia It is possible that people from Africa/ Egypt migrated into the Central Americas. These last three groups were probably not large migrations and may have settled in one or only a few areas.These people mixed (eventually) with those who migrated into the Americas from northeastern Asia (i.e. Siberia -- now NE Russia)
@Here_We_Go_Again2 No you're wrong Turtle Island had Asian visitors but the people living there are not their descendants,I know, why not ask the original people of the land that have always been there.
@I G The majority of the people who migrated from the Ottoman empire were Christians (Who were persecuted and treated as second class citizens -- Or whose relatives died in various genocides perpetrated by the Ottoman government.)
It would be fascinating a video about the possible knowledge or presence (traiding posts, maybe cities) of Fenicians, Carthaginians or even Romans in America
We often see a christ/west-centric look but this is one of the few realistic versions of explaining history facts in a history related channel.. Thanks for all the useful information. Not only on Ottoman side, but also regarding the other great powers at that time. P.S. This "trade-war-layout" also helps us to easily understand the pacts of the Ottomans and other European powers in the 15th and 16th century. Such as Venitean-Ottoman trade relations, France-Ottoman trade deals ..etc.
So, Venize had a monopoly to buy things from Mamluks who had also a monopoly? No wonder spices were expensive as hell at the time, double monopoloy plus the transport fees XD
I've fixed it in EU4. Preemptively secure footholds increasingly to the east coast of Africa, then South to the Cape. Once colonial range is done - go in a straight line to South America and join the party. Meanwhile also a good war on the west coast of Africa can create a dent big enough to repair fleet when needed.
@Kings and Generals I wonder, if you'll eventually do an episode about why Poland didn't participate in the colonization efforts - and yet how they managed to get probably the "most humane" colony anyway.
Great video but I'm surprized you didn't mention the ship building. Ottomans had galleys as their navy. Which aren't ocean faring ships. They did try to build ocean faring ships but they weren't experienced enough to do so and that was one of the reasons why they couldn't compete. They didn't need to colonize the new world if they had control of the indian sea.
Awesome video! I love watching your content when I wake up and any time I eat. Did anyone else notice the East Indies theme at 12:40 from Anno 1404? I'm so glad you picked that, it's a great song and the perfect vibe for this part of the video.
They did..Sahin the Falcon was the Ottoman commander who tried to conquer America...or are you telling me that Age of Empires III is not historically accurate? 😮
Pretty sure Strait of Gibraltar being only 10 miles wide had something to do with it. Spain and Portugal had the Aztec and Mayan gold and it turns out you can pay people in gold to build ships or just pay for ships already built.
You are the only channel who put in more work when it comes to the ottoman history I would be happy if you can can go in-depth to individual sultan and their accomplishments in details
@Zé da Adega I met a connoisseur years ago, who said California has the best wine in the world, even using the same seeds from France, it's the soil/climate that does the trick. The Spanish (there were also Portuguese/Basque/Italians in the mix) also created wineries in Texas (we still have many here), but I think California still has better wine.
that would have been very sad because the Ottomans would have destroyed the society in California with corruption and oppression, so that Democrats would have nothing else to do nowadays
As a portuguese, who owns a tiny wine cellar, I do know that the spanish priests transplanted spanish grape vines onto the soil of California, because Catholicism priesthood required abundant amounts of iberian red wine, or else the spanish priests could not be motivated to convert the "infidel indians" in California. History is fascinating, but I am very curious to taste a current and cheap (I'm a poor person) California red wine, from grapes planted 500 years ago, by the spanish priests. I do know that the spanish wine is very different from the portuguese or french wine, because of different grape castes. However California does have a perfect wine climate, and those spanish castes of grape have been maturing there, for 500 years... I wonder what would a California red wine would taste like... In Europe, the supermarket chain Carrefour sells french Bordeaux and spanish La Mancha, La Rioja and Navarra for about 3 euros a bottle (La Mancha only costs 1,20 €), I wonder what is the price for a California wine bottle, from those spanish vines, planted 500 years ago by the spanish priests... ;)
California is a muslim word. It's actually (calif haroonia) after the muslim khalifa name khalifa Haroon. Muslim were in america's 3 hundred years before columbus.
The Kunjali Marakkar or Kunhali Marakkar was the title given to the naval chief of the Zamorin of Calicut(Kozhikode Samoothiri) in present-day Kerala, India during the 16th century. There were four Kunjali Marakkars who were the naval commanders of Zamorin in his naval war against the Portuguese from 1507 to 1600 who defeated Vasco da Gama.
Great video neutral and not bias. I just wanted to add on one more thing Barbrossa wanted to send expeditions into the Americas but the Ottoman higher ups and command said no as the focus was on the Med Sea.
The version that brazil was disvovered by accident during a voyage to india is highly contested today. Spanish navigators had already landed in some eastern line of the tordesillas treaty and the "discovery" was simply to fulfill the treaty
As a historian interested person I always ask myself if they really wouldve managed to hold on to a colony in America how that place wouldve changed in cultural terms. Some claim that Ottomans wouldve not killed the native American linking the policy to the Balkans but we have to remember that the Balkans had a resistance force and imagine Native Americans in 15th century I believe the Ottomans wouldve still put harsher demands on them as the Balkans because they were isolated from the outside world.
@Sawrattan Indians were pagans, but they were ruled by muslims for a thousand years, musim will generally try to convert the ruling class, then the peasants will normally follow, like they did with south East asia, the biggest muslim country in the world is there, and no muslim army marched there, just converting merchants and nobles and bam the normal ppl will follow on their own in few generations, similar process would've happened, we would have muslim spots in Latin America and muslim minorities in all of the Americas.
Also, unlike the Balkans, Native Americans were not 'People of the Book' under an Islamic state, so they would have ranked legally as pagans, ie. the lowest people.
And also adding new domains in a current system, which is already very huge and complicated, could increase strain on the system and ultimately may end up collapsing the existing systems.
As a Turk , I would like to make references to a modern scholar from Turkey, Emrah Safa Gürkan, who is studying mediterranean naval history. According to him, in addition to all other factors you mentioned, ottoman navy was not able to navigate in high seas, let alone competing with spanish and portugese. The problem is that ottoman ships were limited to galleys whose main source of propulsion was human effort (rowing). These galleys were also very low and not able to store high amounts of supplies. These ships were appropriate for mediterranean where sailors could land at various stops and find new supplies for the galley slaves and for the crew. The lack of galleons in the fleet was also the main reason why ottomans lost the battle of Lepanto because the galleys were not able to board the enemy galleons. Another reason was that ottomans lacked the knowledge about navigating in high seas. They simply had no developed maps and experienced sailors. Although you have Piri Reis as an example for ottoman carthography, we should remember that he was later executed by the order of Sultan Sulemain. Apart from issues of technology and knowledge, the scholar emphasizes that the fact that ottomans had no extra population to send to establish colonies. If they had, they would have used the land they had in africa and middle east to grow the products colonial powers produced in their colonies like sugar, tobacco, cotton, coffee etc.
That is a joke, turks couldnt compete with the spanish! The turkish pirates like Barbaros oruc reis, kurdoglu and many more were able to.deal.with spanish, italian, and hospitalier knights alone, the rowed ships were only a part of the naval force used for their tactical capabilities when necesarry, the ottomans had deep knowledge about stars and used high tech insturments as astrolobes, the way this schollar diminishes the piri reis map is also insulting because it is the most accurate map proved by modern sattelites, it even covers the lands hidden under ice accurately in the antarticas, their canons had hundred meter plus range than other europian counterparts, piri reis being executed in his older ages has nothing to do with the subject
@Rex Galilae Simply put they didn't The portugese had naval supremacy in the indian ocean The ottomans just had better trade deals and kind of a monopoly of trading with many sultanates but the portugese navy dominated the direct trade routes
@Murat ÖZDEMİR The analysis you provided is very interesting. However, if the Americas were really a priority for the Ottomans, I believe that France would have assisted them and would have provided the technology and expertise necessary for such an expedition ; the French had already set foot in Canada in 1534 and they formed an alliance with Sultan Soliman. It would have solved the problem and it would have been beneficial for both countries (new lands for the Ottomans and mutual military assistance, especially when we see what happened later in the Seven Years Was) . Unfortunately, we will never know...
As you mentioned in the video about wars in Indian Ocean, Ottoman ships were light and they didn't compare with the Huge Galleys of Portugal. They did win against in Mediterranean but those seas aren't the same. Oceans have difficulties and Ottomans couldn't manage to handle. Video was perfect as usual, Loved the Arts.
This can be neatly explained with 3 main arguments: 1) The Ottomans are *already* surrounded by other powers and have their hands full trying to control what they *do* rule over. Controlling such a vast land empire with the logistics of the time was a herculean task alone and obviously is going to take an overwhelming precedence to any attempted conquest by sea of the newly discovered Americas. By contrast the European powers like Spain, Portugal, England and France are tiny land masses and a great deal easier to control. While the European powers also are at war with each other these appear like smaller border skirmishes to what the Ottomans are facing both within and around their vast land empire. Basically trying to conquer parts of the Americas is an obvious example of over-stretching the empire. Like this video also points out the Ottomans are already worried by the Portuguese incursions into India by sailing around Africa. 2) Little to no impetus for conquering parts of the Americas. The Ottomans already control the trade routes from Asia to Europe and benefit greatly from the spice trade. The European Age of Discovery was in fact started by the need to find alternative trade routes to India thereby bypassing the Ottomans completely. The Europeans hence *had* a great impetus. At this time in history the Ottomans believe they're sitting on a never ending goldmine of trade and can always reap all the benefits from controlling it. Since the Europeans are still actively trading with them throughout this time it looks like "good business as usual" as far as the Ottomans are concerned. 3. Contemporary ignorance of what the new continent had of value and the ever increasing part it would play in the coming centuries. The Americas were a wild and untamed continent for roughly a century before European settlers began with their own vast plantations of cotton, tobacco and sugar. The native Americans didn't have such vast organized plantations so the early reports the Ottomans received probably gave them the impression that the locals were "tribal people" who had very little to offer and who would be virtually useless to trade/barter Ottoman goods with. The Ottomans also probably didn't believe the native Americans would disappear anytime soon and that the Europeans would "waste their time" trying to conquer a "wild continent" inhabited by "tribal people" who had very little trade value and no large quantities of what the Ottomans would consider "good business". (a national stereotype which has followed the Turks 'til this day). Knowing these three factors it becomes obvious why the Ottomans neither really had the ability nor the desire to conquer the Americas and certainly didn't believe it would be worth all the trouble. As far as many Ottomans were concerned the newly discovered Americas might as well have been on the Moon. Too distant. Too barren. Too expensive to undertake.
Pretty good summary though I would correct one point and add another point As for the correction: The Portugese held control over many of the naval trade routes in the East, they seized these when they defeated the Mamluk Sultanate (who had control of the entire spice trade so far) in the Battle of Diu in 1509, from that point onward the portugese would have naval supremacy in the indian ocean till they got replaced by the Dutch And while it is true that the Age of Discovery was to find alternative routes to India it's not only due to the ottomans but also to break the portugese semi-monopoly on the spice trade (either you buy from ottomans or the portugese, but both would sell for highly inflated prices), that's why Spain invested so much in exploration As for the additional point: The ottomans couldn't reach the Americas, on one hand all possible naval routes to the Americas were in enemy control or inaccessible (like with Morocco) and on the other hand ottoman ships, primarily galleys, were not made for open sea travel, they wouldn't have been able to traverse the Atlantic or the Pacific, they simply lacked the naval technology in that regard
Its just seems like such a bizarre question to me, since I never though about it but you've defiantly given me something to think about. Also now I got to look at Ottoman naval conflicts in the Indian ocean, which i just realize i know nothing about.
Hey K&G, can you make a Video about the Merchant Republic of Genoa? Seems like Venice had control over the more important trade routes and their rivalry with Venice seem very interesting. Also which trade did Genoa control? Thanks :)
Hi K&G. hope K&G can highlight the history about The Glorious and fall of The Malacca Empire which is based in malay acepalago one of strongest naval under Ottoman rules during 1200s to 1511. this history is said to be hidden and twisted by orientalism and western colonial came in. But today many new facts have been discovered about the wealth and fame of the mallaca port's which is one of the world's leading ports and strongest navy during that time. Thanks K&G for continuing giving more info and history
@Nomad Typist barbarossa is not a name given by historians. His elder brother, Oruç Reis, had that italian nickname given to him. upon his death, Hızır Reis (Khizr) inherited his brothers nickname, and also was given the honorary name Hayrettin.
i think this video would be great if you talked about the battle of tree kings (Kasr el Kebir) - Turks were so close to get a free port from morocco after educating ahmed al mansur and abd malik the first from house of saadi and the defeat of Portugal in morocco lands !
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻thnxs for this unbelievable magical work Where history has been enfused with life. As someone who loves history i am overwhelmed at the minute detailing, accuracy and perfect presentation And not to forget unforgettable music corresponding exactly with place mentioned is pure genius
The Austrians made some attempts prior to the 19th century but it never came off the ground. By the 19th century they deemed it wise not to go on colonial adventures.
According to Turkish historians, the Grand Vizier of Suleiman the Magnificent, Pargalı İbrahim was interested in the New World. And not only him in that time, so was Admiral Barbarossa and Prince Mustafa too. But you know there was no opportunity to make this happen because of the wars in the west and east borders of the empire.
Our Ottoman battle series will make a comeback relatively soon. Turns out quarantine is not helpful, as libraries are not working.
Seed of Cain that’s why ?! Next question 🙋♂️
Ahhhhhh maybe because the seed of Cain was cursed and has never been a colonizer?! Lol what a joke if one could only interpret scriptures. He would understand sound history
it is perhaps worth mentioning, from a historian's perspective, that the americas were less profitable than india and china until the 20th century. this is usually overseen, if you are not an academic historian, or familiar with economics. although spain became rich thanks to the silver mines of the americas, it was still inferior to both india and china until today. we, westerners, often overestimate the wealth of the americas, although it should be clear that the heavily populated and developed empires of south and east asia, especially the indian sub continent and china, were the number 1 and 2 wealthiest economies until 1850 for good reasons. yes, great britain became the world's biggest economical power only after it took large portions of india, and after it defeated china, and then won in the second industrial revolution (around 1850).
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@Your Boy Mr Mac Spain had a different empire, it was not central and the money stayed in the government's of America's called viceroyalties.
@Peter Gray they also had slaves. FREE LABOR grows
@Your Boy Mr Mac Many factors involved, few random thoughts:
- flemish territories and artisans able to produce very good quality of cannons
-insane effectiveness of the dutch trading network, excellent geographic location : Rotterdam was the major and only one trading place. Even When flemish/United Prov. fabricated cannons weren't sold there, the other nations still shipped their cannons to Rotterdam. Any transaction of valuable goods was there, so was always a win/win situation. Even the English when kicked the Dutch out of North America keept using the dutch agents and trading network, because was just the best.Clever and humble enough to recognize it
- well accostumed to the stormy waters of the North Sea, United Provinces were almost the only ones able to build vessels able to match up the quality of the english ones. Later, taking out the portugues from the Indian Ocean routes increased even more their trading.
- Tolerance and probably a lesser taxations and no jew persecutions , let to the creation of a more and more bigger concentration of what we call now "human capital".
People tend to forget that creating a transocean empire was a remarkably difficult task and, contrary to the common belief, they consumed more resources than could be benefited from. France failed in creating a sustainable colony, England needed over a century and The Netherlands only created little more than commercial posts. The Otomans never had a realistic chance.
@eburcua it was a good deal for the few nobles who profited from it, the plebs (95% of the population) never saw any of the wealth
@SawrattanFrance had a huge colony in the United States until it was sold off.
@eburcua It was a difficult task to do, but Western Europeans did it because that was the only way to get rich. And it was only really Spain that really got rich because they were able to control all the prosperous and wealthy societies of America (Aztecs, Incas, etc)
@eburcua "as the eastern europe already had!"
How was Vienna? How did your battles against the Russian Empire go? lol.
Still need help from the British and French?
@Hayatullah AHMEDZAI Columbus didn't land in Brazil, you genius. LOL
Really loved this video! Ever since I played age of empires 3 I’ve wondered why the Ottoman Empire didn’t at least send exploration expeditions into the new world and now I feel informed as to why. Thanks guys, you are one of the best history channels hands down!
I recently got it on sale and the dialog by Sahin at the end of the first campaign is very racist and Euro-centric. The Ottoman empire was not a "relic of the past" at the time Sahin left in the story. That didn't happen until 300 years after the campaign's events.
É sempre um espetáculo! Só tenho a agradecer a toda equipe do Kings and Generals, congrats from Brazil!
They didn't have Turkish Airlines back then.
Thatsss whyyy 🤣😂😂
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@The Book of Aquarius viamanas?
I don't know who does your art and editing for these videos but they are becoming ridiculously high quality. They are almost as interesting to watch as the stories themselves! Kudos!
Agree, I thought they couldn't improve their quality more but they are improving their animations and overall quality every week
Shame that the great naval Battle of Diu, between the Portuguese and the Ottomans, wasn't even mentioned in this video. It would be awesome to see it covered in this channel one day.
They should cover when madeira was pillaged by the ottomans and the entire population was taken in slavery
K&G said they would do ottoman-portuguese wars sometime later.
They consider it to be sign of power of the Ottomans when in 1654 we lost the battle of Aceh in the other end of the world, however when a country with less than 1.5 million people like us created forts under their noses in Ormuz, Muscate, Socotra Island is considered irrelevant xD. Yet they didnt ever built forts in any atlantic island anytime nor in the western coast of Africa whatsoever.
Very nice animations and music so well used, that I enjoyed every minute of the documentary. You guys are getting better and better with every video. It is very nice to experience this development, while learning so much in the meantime. Keep up the astonishingly great work, K&G.
Esse canal é excelente. Pena que muitos vídeos ainda não tem legenda em português. Mesmo assim assisto pelo menos em espanhol. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Really glad you mentioned Peter Frankopan's book. It is the most intricate, detailed piece of historical document/book I have read so far. It's almost comically detailed and he manages to set the full picture through extensive, but very intriguing descriptions. The author covers not only the immediate geographical regions of the the silk road, far from it, it is merely used symbolic and as an anchor point, the book ventures through internal politics, trade over the oceans, warfare, aristocratic attitudes, quotes on internal and foreign affairs and so much more. It is a book that covers the linking dots more or less all over the world.
Thank you for your time :)
i read history a lot and i think i am capable of analyzing it in modest level.
So as a turkish person i can tell that this video is the most accurate and precise source to suggest to people even in turkey...congrats my friends, following you since 2017... love u :)
@Hayots Lernashkharh greek,kurdish , armenian ?
@William Garayua i have heard a lot of insults to ottomans as nomads and goat shepherds but never as caravan assaulters... that is completely new
An Empire inspired by a Caravan Assaulter cannot stand.
I paused the video in the third minute where it claims a city belonged to a Country that didnt exist back then and that city was never part of the Kingdom of Morroco... How is this video accurate?
The Ottoman Empire suffered the same problem Eastern Romans (or Byzantines) had.
They have enemies in all sides.
@Yakob Ng ok show me.
@Zaxx "absolute evidence of devshirme" is called history bro. Plenty of it, denial.
@Yakob Ng rewriting what? whats the very absolute evidence of devsirme?
@Zaxx Ah rewriting history, are you trying for it, Ottie?
This is so fascinating. In school we are given the impression of a sequestered ancient world with individual bubbles that were only opened, or "discovered" by European explorers. But to see how interconnected everything was so early on gives a much better view.
İnsan I'm not European, I'm from Argentina. It's just what we were taught, no way around it. In China they teach a very China centric history too, it's just natural for each country to do.
Great work, really amazed by the editing progress you guys made lately. Not only is it interesting but it's super immersive !
They were surrounded by European countries. A non-stop war with other sovereigns, lot of revolts, unprepared for the rapid development and modernity outside their territories and an old regime system that was already obsolete at that time.
A lot of factors. But you did a great video in here. Thank yoh so much. This is an interesting and most frequentl asked question whenever someone come to learn about 16 or 17 century's geopolitic..
Always wondered this since playing AoE III, which strangely had the Ottomans as a playable faction, even though they never had New World colonies (whereas Sweden and Denmark did...). Very well explained.
Very well appointed! But I can't help thinking that the main impediment was geography. And if they managed to overcome this great obstacle, I wonder if they would be able to overcome a perhaps even greater one: the strong Portuguese-Spanish opposition in the Atlantic!
America is out of colonial range for the Ottomans to colonize, unless they conquered Morocco (which they never had), in this case only a late game diplomatic tech could help them colonize America
Ottomans had fez for 20 years
@DenzelSmashSymptom
Indeed Morocco had plans to have colonies in the americas, the Moroccan sultan Ahmed El Mansur managed to make agreements with the english queen Elizabeth to conquer spain and its american colonies unfortunately both died before reaching their goals.
@DenzelSmashSymptom the portuguese and the spanish had conquered many moroccan coastal cities such as Mazagan (Jadida), Mogador (Essaouira), Assilah, Agadir and Ceuta which made the moroccan navy weaker.
Average eu4 player when he sees a history video.
As a Turkish guy myself I am curious about this subject. There are some theories about it. First Ottomans were a land Empire beacuse of their Central asian steppe origins. Seafaring traditions started by first Turkish admiral Çaka Bey but not continued after his murder by Seljuk Sultan. After that Barbarossa made Ottomans rulers of the Mediterrenean and built a strong navy but failed to persuade the İbrahim Pasha to sailing to the New world. Also the Janisseries were influential on Ottomans war policy and they insisted on conquering the Hungary and Vienna. But most importantly Ottomans had trade routes from İndia and China to İstanbul. They think it is too little to gain with going to such faraway lands. And it was not easy because of Spanish naval force on Gibraltar and Mediterrenean. Lastly Ottomans failed in İndian Ocean campains in Suleiman the Magnificents time beceause their ships were Kadırga not Galleons suited for voyaging the oceans. If you have any other ideas please let me now🙂
as a brazilian I could´ve been speaking turkish or arabic at this point
@Mr Kresek
"Ottoman and arab just want to trade without wanting to take it". Mughal Empire is proof of this. The empire remained majority Hindu and the language they used by the end was the locally inspired Urdu, not Arabic or Turkish or Farsi. What American today speaks the Iroquois language or one derived by a mixture of that and English?
@Muhammet Emin DİNÇER kardesim ermeni soykırımı hakkında yazdıklarının farkındamısın?
@Bark if they were you would speak Turkish in Europe Now :)
Look at all Africa 60% speaks English rest speaks french, Spanish, porteqez, and don’t mention the rest of the world. There’re I think all immigrant should be able grant a citizen ship according to their masters language, there will be no problem, Europeans colonise these nations, explored them but now they want them, which other nations Turks/ottomans benefiting today?
The quality of your videos continue to increase! Love the animation and art in this one :) Keep up the great work!
Don't know why the Turkish historians don't focus on this topic. Best video so far on this topic! Unfortunately the Ottoman Empire is very unknown to the Europeans although they changed the history remarkeble. Thanks you for introducing them!
Every Ottoman episode is backed up with "Üsküdar'a Gider İken" and every time it is a home run, both in the terms of content and soundtrack. Keep up the good work. Suggest: while on topic of Ottomans, a couple of episodes are due for their decline
Outstanding - I am sorry I missed this in July, what a great look into some overlooked history!
Two things are missing in this video:
Columbus asked Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II for sponsorship to his project, which was declined. (However, i am informed that this story is fabricated later by Evliya Çelebi in 17th century)
Hayreddin Barbarossa suggested venturing to Americas, which the Grand Vizier Ibrahim Pasha declined, stating that "The Empire should focus on dominating the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean.
Venturing to the Americas could have been done by Adventurers of the Maghreb, like Algeria, Morocco.
ibrahim pasha was right thou..what was in the americas that was useful at the time(dont know)...i would of focused on africa more,,with all the raw materials
And also, Europeans were looking for the Prester John and his fictional empire. (Probably Ethiopia)
I'd love more videos like this, exploring subjects that aren't as well known to an English-speaking audience. This is rather fascinating.
This is by far the most eloquent historical and economics description of the monumental historical events in Europe and the Middle East in the 16th Century. Thank you.
The history of some of those maps is pretty crazy. The made them from some unknown ancient sources and referenced antarctica correctly without it having been officially discovered until the 1800's
Yeah! I had seen somewhere the Byzantines (or early Ottomans, can't remember which one) had actually followed Africa south and just kept going. They brought back sweet maps. Seeing all the ice were like, "Yup, thats the bottom"
Generally it's the countries with lots of wealth but little land area who colonise across oceans, the Greek cities, England Venice and Portugal are good examples
Spain conquered the most and isn't on the small side... at all.
@Enrique Pascual You can edit your comments, you know
In 1513, fu***shitty mobile !!!
The Admiral was totally defeated by portuguse, and after the defeat imprisioned, accused of treason, by the way, he himself said he drew the map in 2523, and wrote some of the sources he took, if you think whiskipedia is a source of real knowledge you sre just a fool, and about wars and battles, remember that the nation that kicked your arse the most was Spain.
The spanish colonized and set up 130 settlements (misiones) in the Appalachians and north, the last one 100 km far from what today is Washington during XVI-XVIIth centuries, first town in America was San Juan in South Caroline, I don't remember the exact year 1560-1565, and today the oldest one is San Agustin 1565, by the way the big navy power , explorer and colonizer was Spain followed by Portugal.
If Ottoman colonized USA :
New Yozgat
Los Ankara
Mardniami
Las Vangas
Siirteatlle
@Atahan العرب والاتراك اخوان في الدين وكانوا يقاتلون معا ويجمعهم الاسلام
Caliph-fornia
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@muhamaga s florida
This is too good
They only sought to destroy the Fountain of Youth, with help from a Scottish knight and a pirate
@Septiawan Rizky I used it to guard my ships, then used a bunch of ships to attack the fountain. If you only let it attack the fountain the Circle sends ships to your island and destroys your base.
I want to put my bed in this reply section and tell discuss stories with my AOE Gang...
I heard the name of that pirate is Jack Sparrow.
MORGAN BLACK!!!!!
2:30 The anime and manga "Altair: A Record of Battles" (Shoukoku no Altair) made many references about this. The protagonist (who is a pasha, a general, of the Turkiye Stratocracy) made friends with the Doce of Venice (Venedik).
The manga and anime was roughly based on the Ottoman Empire (Mehmed II), its relationship with other countries and its competition with the Holy Roman Empire (or Balt-Rhein Empire).
@Kermit Try reading it :)
wtf? japan is crazy these days
A nicely informative video. It confirmed a few suspicions I had about the Ottoman's when I saw this video's title. It was great. I would appreciate it very much if I saw your next video on the Imjin war. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
I recently finished The Silk Roads by Peter Frankopan and it was incredible! A crash course of central Asia history
Every single time you fascinate us with different animations that is so enjoyable to watch. I cant decide wich one is the best but can say you guys choose the right for the right video such as but not limited to this one and the Sicily and mongolian invations and Switzerland and many many more all done beautifully good job.
Thanks for the video. After reading several of Historian Roger Crowley's books on the Mediterranean, the rise of Venice, the Fall of Constantinople as well as the Porguese expansion east, one conclusion is that though the Ottoman empire was far more powerful and organized that any of the European kingdoms the smaller European nations competed against each other, and in some cases were actually Republics run by merchants like Venice and Genoa and later Holland. So while Venice was a small city state- with a number of holdings and though it lost out in the expansion to the west, that state and business model ultimately outcompeted the Ottomans.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Venice was an empty husk at the time of the height of Ottoman power.
I've literally been waiting for somebody to make a video explaining exactly this topic for years, thanks so much you guys i love your channel! :D
This feels tautological. The reason for the Iberian interest in the Americas was the Ottoman conquests in the East (which blocked access to the Indian ocean). How could the Ottomans be motivated to head West across the Atlantic if the motivation to do so was to arrive where they already were?
If Ottoman colonized USA :
New Yozgat
Los Ankara
Mardniami
Las Vangas
Siirteatlle
Stop insulting and slandering people and instead do your geological research, lady. America is divided into three tectonic plates, which match the traditional divisions of the landmass into South America, Central America and North America.
@Zé da Adega not in France
@Jonathan London lol no, there's one continent called América, in europe Is just a continent
It's interesting to learn that the rise of the Portuguese empire indirectly led to the fall of the Mamluk Sultanate (who also played more of a role in Spain's & Portugal's colonial drive then just simply the fall of Constantinople).
@Spade Jack we lacked the numbers to even call it "an empire". we just built a bunch of forts and traded with the locals then went back to the homeland. the only place where colonization was taken seriously was brazil, where at some point half of our population of 1.5 million just left to go there
@Spade Jack What I mean is that a lot of people nowadays like to call it an empire (though not myself of course). I think a lot of people have a new definition for empire that’s not the official definition(I personally don’t care either way).
@Patrick Blanchette the US isnt an empire, altough by the XV XVI centuries standards, would have been
@Spade Jack Neither do we Americans, yet look at our history😁.
Yet, the portuguese never considered themselves as an Empire
I love all your videos.. very creative refreshing and I can even explain to my children about history using the videos. Straighforward and simple explanation
i find kings and generals to be the best unbiased & thorough source of information on ottoman history, a subject so delicate and complicated many history enthusiasts on this platform have failed while attempting to explain.
It's a bit later than this video but Price Frederick of Germany had a personal colony in Texas, it's still there.
The Prince went himself to Texas to set it up.
They were invited by the Govt of the moment in Mexico.
Look on the map Southish and West of Austin at Fredericksburg, Texas.
That colony gave rise to a unique South Texas music genre still popular today. Tejano with Selena as the most famous. Also style Conjunto and a few others use German instruments and wear leaderhosen.
Also, the Pope used a World Map and drew lines on it, as to who got what .... except of course Britain doesnt follow the pope but at least they now have a map to see who to invade.
While not Govt Offical Colonies, large areas of Texas were settled with land grants from Mexico to European settlers,Poland, Italy, Czech,
Actually the ottomans did try venture into the new world, and we're in fact aided by a renegade contingent of Maltese hospitaller knights and Inca prisoners. They were commanded by Sahin 'the falcon' to stop the secret society known as the 'circle of ossus' and successfully defeated them by destroying the fountain of youth. There's a great interactive documentary about it called 'Age of Empires III'
@Zuber Singh yes. I also hope. A modder has already made sikh confederacy but it is a mod that we have to install. I hope they do some changes and add the mod( mod means modification) in aoe3 wars of liberty.
@gursimar singh agreed. I hope they add the Sikh confederacy
Aoe 3 wars of liberty is also awesome
Not colombus found the America land ITS the Muslim 5 century before colombus
I was just play that ... i forgot about that campaign
It's interesting that the main combattants in the region: Ottomans, Polish, Austrians and Germans -- who were the most powerful in these two centuries, didn't participate in the colonization process that was undertaken by other less powerful states (with the exception of Spain who was at a time also very powerful)
@Maurits Van Oranje I mean yeah the Spanish were not but what do you prefer to see people get decapitated by sacrifice everyday for no reason or do you prefer to pay taxes and be Christian so you do not get killed I mean I'm part of that native American and Spanish descendance if any other country other than Spain would of had taken over than Latin America would probably be full with white people
@Maurits Van Oranje ok them with the black people owning slave i give that to you too and the prince of Ashanti living in Netherlands I give that to you too
@Maurits Van Oranje but I mean if the dutch never ruled Indonesia alone how can it be part of the dutch empire like to be considered part of your empire you have to have total control
@Maurits Van Oranje yes but the spanish built other places too like literally all the of the southern United States was built by the spanish except Louisiana I live here In the USA and I can tell you most houses have Spanish designs most states in the usa have Spanish NES and there are a lot of states who's flags are from spains imperial flag like alabamas flag Florida's flag and other states flag and that's just the United States and the Spanish built so much in Latin American countries churches houses universities hospitals gold mines everything but it's not spain's fault other pain Americans countries are poor that's just on them I mean they were the ones who wanted the independance and look at them now not only buildings but the food the language the culture the holidays tbhad a huger impact than any other empire that exsisted the Spanish empire was a real empire unlike the British empire they had full control of there empire literally that's why almost all the land controled by Spain still speak Spanish have spanish influence in either language architecture religion literally almost every former territory of the British empire does not speak English as their first language does not have any influence in Britain architecture does not have any Christ related religion as their main religion they do not have any food related to Britain unlike almost all countries conquered by Spain still speak Spanish still have spanish cuisine still have Spanish religion slash christiany because the spanish had total control ALMOST everywhere they conquered unlike any other empire like the British dutch French Portugues ottoman like even the united states of America has more spanish influence than british influence
One little mistake there. You said the Ottomans took Tunis in 1560, but they actually first captured it in 1534, then lost it in 1535 to Charles V, then recaptured it again in 1568, then lost in 1573 to the Spanish, and finally took it in 1574 to hold until the French conquest of Tunis in 1881-1883. Otherwise great video! Love your work, keep it up!!!!!
Because to the East, they had the Persians as their enemies, to the South, the Arabs, the Europeans to the West, and the Russians to the North.
@Kill Me You go ahead and live your life in the best way possible and just ignore these "Muslims" who just want to bully you. May you have a nice day! Cheers from a fellow non-Muslim (never was one to begin with) in America. 👍
@Kill Me Atheism leads to Nihilism, you're going down the wrong path.
Considering this channel from the few videos I've seen of it is focused on wars and battles.. the one-upsmanship of Portuguese versus Ottoman's in the Indian, and the veritable world war that started.. I was expecting a bit more detail on this. There are many curious battles, invasions of independent countries, and a complex web of intricate alliances with indian, east affrican and indonesian states that both states utilized.
The battle of Benadir is one such example of this evolving conflict.
To summarise, it's the kingdom of Morocco 🇲🇦 who was one of the biggest brake/stopper of the ottomans to expand west, the pride of Moroccans is still until today a major trait of its people, we would like you to do a video on the king moulay ismail from the alaouite dynasty (the one still ruling morocco) who reconcurred major cities who were on the Atlantic costs as mazagan, luxus and maybe others but couldn't retake sebta and melilia who are still Spanish till today, it could be a great topic
Morocco didn’t exist back then it was not created by france yet and you were our vassals so stop lying about history 😂
“He who controls the spice, controls the universe “
I wonder if the spices of that time would be the dr-ugs of today, must be why cartel leaders are so powerful lol
"He who has no bread has no authority"
It won't even kill you unless you stop taking it.
I love the Melange
Sorry , but he who controls the Water , Control the Universe.
this video is so detailed and yet to the point. This is the best history channel on youtube
Hi Kings and Generals ! Your maps are so nice ! Did you used wonderdraft to do these ? This must have been quite a huge work ! Congrats !
Too good. Very clear and good explanation. I love history and especially your videos they are beautifully designed and just too interesting.
Excellent topic, you guys manage to give answer to questions that most of us did not even asked, keep up the good work K&G's
Hello guys,
and thanks for your exceptionally good work.
I really enjoyed the narration and es[ecially the visual style of your video. Can you please tell me how do you make it? What program is being used to draw the pics and edit the video? Or maybe there is a way to order a video in such a style from you?
The only thing of Turkish origin that colonized Latin America was his TV series
If they invaded America why doesn't anyone speak Turkish?
@shar bee
Turks are Asians
from the country
that we call
Turkmenistan
as well as from
the area of northwest
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"Xinjiang Uyghur
Autonomous Region"
There are MANY
genetic sub-groups/
ethnicities of Asians
The people who
settled most of the
Americas (Turtle
Island) are composed
of several distinct
groups that migrated
in waves over many
thousands of years.
(The Inuit of the north
being the last wave of
Asian migration)
It is possible that
some of the Ice
Age Europeans
may have migrated
to what is known
as the eastern USA.
It is also possible
that some people
migrated into South
America from
Polynesia
It is possible that
people from Africa/
Egypt migrated into
the Central Americas.
These last three groups
were probably not large
migrations and may have
settled in one or only a
few areas.These people
mixed (eventually) with
those who migrated into
the Americas from
northeastern Asia
(i.e. Siberia -- now NE
Russia)
@Here_We_Go_Again2 No you're wrong Turtle Island had Asian visitors but the people living there are not their descendants,I know, why not ask the original people of the land that have always been there.
@Mighty Turkish Beauty Abdul Aladin
The people who settled the
Americas were Asian, not
necessarily "Turkish" --
a specific Asian group.
@I G
The majority of the
people who migrated
from the Ottoman
empire were Christians
(Who were persecuted
and treated as second
class citizens -- Or whose
relatives died in various
genocides perpetrated
by the Ottoman government.)
I love whenever you have a video explaining the economic reasons behind history.
It would be fascinating a video about the possible knowledge or presence (traiding posts, maybe cities) of Fenicians, Carthaginians or even Romans in America
We often see a christ/west-centric look but this is one of the few realistic versions of explaining history facts in a history related channel.. Thanks for all the useful information. Not only on Ottoman side, but also regarding the other great powers at that time.
P.S. This "trade-war-layout" also helps us to easily understand the pacts of the Ottomans and other European powers in the 15th and 16th century. Such as Venitean-Ottoman trade relations, France-Ottoman trade deals ..etc.
This is one of the best Ottoman videos I've ever seen. Makes the whole 16th century surprisingly coherent.
Very informative and always give a biased perspective keep up the good work guys♥️
So, Venize had a monopoly to buy things from Mamluks who had also a monopoly? No wonder spices were expensive as hell at the time, double monopoloy plus the transport fees XD
@Crusaders History proof it
@Peter Gray Bad decision on the Mamluks part
java We'll see. ATM China is pretty busy fighting COVID and the floods.
whesley hynes hey try to never use pepper or similar spices in your cooking fore a while and you will understand why x)
I've fixed it in EU4. Preemptively secure footholds increasingly to the east coast of Africa, then South to the Cape. Once colonial range is done - go in a straight line to South America and join the party. Meanwhile also a good war on the west coast of Africa can create a dent big enough to repair fleet when needed.
@Kings and Generals I wonder, if you'll eventually do an episode about why Poland didn't participate in the colonization efforts - and yet how they managed to get probably the "most humane" colony anyway.
This is the way we make history videos too, short & sweet! We love this channel!
Great video
but I'm surprized you didn't mention the ship building. Ottomans had galleys as their navy. Which aren't ocean faring ships. They did try to build ocean faring ships but they weren't experienced enough to do so and that was one of the reasons why they couldn't compete. They didn't need to colonize the new world if they had control of the indian sea.
Awesome video! I love watching your content when I wake up and any time I eat.
Did anyone else notice the East Indies theme at 12:40 from Anno 1404? I'm so glad you picked that, it's a great song and the perfect vibe for this part of the video.
They did..Sahin the Falcon was the Ottoman commander who tried to conquer America...or are you telling me that Age of Empires III is not historically accurate? 😮
It's true. The Circle made it looks like a conspiracy theory.
😂😂😂😂
What are you talking about Jack Sparrow killed British Governor and defeated the British Armada 😏... I don't think that ye all will get my point.
Technically, John Black noped them
Lol
Excellent video. Thank you so much.
This is the way history should be taught.
Now this is quality content , please keep up the good work.
Pretty sure Strait of Gibraltar being only 10 miles wide had something to do with it. Spain and Portugal had the Aztec and Mayan gold and it turns out you can pay people in gold to build ships or just pay for ships already built.
You are the only channel who put in more work when it comes to the ottoman history I would be happy if you can can go in-depth to individual sultan and their accomplishments in details
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
The 'Calif of California' would have been a cool title, but they would have called the place something else anyway.
@Zé da Adega I met a connoisseur years ago, who said California has the best wine in the world, even using the same seeds from France, it's the soil/climate that does the trick. The Spanish (there were also Portuguese/Basque/Italians in the mix) also created wineries in Texas (we still have many here), but I think California still has better wine.
@Andri Adipura right.
that would have been very sad because the Ottomans would have destroyed the society in California with corruption and oppression, so that Democrats would have nothing else to do nowadays
As a portuguese, who owns a tiny wine cellar, I do know that the spanish priests transplanted spanish grape vines onto the soil of California, because Catholicism priesthood required abundant amounts of iberian red wine, or else the spanish priests could not be motivated to convert the "infidel indians" in California.
History is fascinating, but I am very curious to taste a current and cheap (I'm a poor person) California red wine, from grapes planted 500 years ago, by the spanish priests. I do know that the spanish wine is very different from the portuguese or french wine, because of different grape castes.
However California does have a perfect wine climate, and those spanish castes of grape have been maturing there, for 500 years... I wonder what would a California red wine would taste like...
In Europe, the supermarket chain Carrefour sells french Bordeaux and spanish La Mancha, La Rioja and Navarra for about 3 euros a bottle (La Mancha only costs 1,20 €), I wonder what is the price for a California wine bottle, from those spanish vines, planted 500 years ago by the spanish priests... ;)
California is a muslim word. It's actually (calif haroonia) after the muslim khalifa name khalifa Haroon. Muslim were in america's 3 hundred years before columbus.
The Kunjali Marakkar or Kunhali Marakkar was the title given to the naval chief of the Zamorin of Calicut(Kozhikode Samoothiri) in present-day Kerala, India during the 16th century. There were four Kunjali Marakkars who were the naval commanders of Zamorin in his naval war against the Portuguese from 1507 to 1600 who defeated Vasco da Gama.
Wow, the questions, which no one ever asks! Great video with lots of facts and in depth conclusions. Folks, this is a five star video.
Great video neutral and not bias.
I just wanted to add on one more thing Barbrossa wanted to send expeditions into the Americas but the Ottoman higher ups and command said no as the focus was on the Med Sea.
The version that brazil was disvovered by accident during a voyage to india is highly contested today. Spanish navigators had already landed in some eastern line of the tordesillas treaty and the "discovery" was simply to fulfill the treaty
As a historian interested person I always ask myself if they really wouldve managed to hold on to a colony in America how that place wouldve changed in cultural terms. Some claim that Ottomans wouldve not killed the native American linking the policy to the Balkans but we have to remember that the Balkans had a resistance force and imagine Native Americans in 15th century I believe the Ottomans wouldve still put harsher demands on them as the Balkans because they were isolated from the outside world.
@Sawrattan Indians were pagans, but they were ruled by muslims for a thousand years, musim will generally try to convert the ruling class, then the peasants will normally follow, like they did with south East asia, the biggest muslim country in the world is there, and no muslim army marched there, just converting merchants and nobles and bam the normal ppl will follow on their own in few generations, similar process would've happened, we would have muslim spots in Latin America and muslim minorities in all of the Americas.
Also, unlike the Balkans, Native Americans were not 'People of the Book' under an Islamic state, so they would have ranked legally as pagans, ie. the lowest people.
So the only question that remains is, why didn't the Ottomans colonize Australia?
Because their enemy, the Mamluks, got there first.
@Jax They landed janissaries, saw the emus, and noped the fuck outta there haha I like this version :)
And the military and musical prowess of Rolf Harris were important too.
The emus man... the fucking emus.
The scourge of mankind
And also adding new domains in a current system, which is already very huge and complicated, could increase strain on the system and ultimately may end up collapsing the existing systems.
As a Turk , I would like to make references to a modern scholar from Turkey, Emrah Safa Gürkan, who is studying mediterranean naval history. According to him, in addition to all other factors you mentioned, ottoman navy was not able to navigate in high seas, let alone competing with spanish and portugese. The problem is that ottoman ships were limited to galleys whose main source of propulsion was human effort (rowing). These galleys were also very low and not able to store high amounts of supplies. These ships were appropriate for mediterranean where sailors could land at various stops and find new supplies for the galley slaves and for the crew. The lack of galleons in the fleet was also the main reason why ottomans lost the battle of Lepanto because the galleys were not able to board the enemy galleons.
Another reason was that ottomans lacked the knowledge about navigating in high seas. They simply had no developed maps and experienced sailors. Although you have Piri Reis as an example for ottoman carthography, we should remember that he was later executed by the order of Sultan Sulemain.
Apart from issues of technology and knowledge, the scholar emphasizes that the fact that ottomans had no extra population to send to establish colonies. If they had, they would have used the land they had in africa and middle east to grow the products colonial powers produced in their colonies like sugar, tobacco, cotton, coffee etc.
That is a joke, turks couldnt compete with the spanish! The turkish pirates like Barbaros oruc reis, kurdoglu and many more were able to.deal.with spanish, italian, and hospitalier knights alone, the rowed ships were only a part of the naval force used for their tactical capabilities when necesarry, the ottomans had deep knowledge about stars and used high tech insturments as astrolobes, the way this schollar diminishes the piri reis map is also insulting because it is the most accurate map proved by modern sattelites, it even covers the lands hidden under ice accurately in the antarticas, their canons had hundred meter plus range than other europian counterparts, piri reis being executed in his older ages has nothing to do with the subject
If Europa Universalis has taught me anything, it's that the Ottomans really loved to spam Galley's.
@Rex Galilae Simply put they didn't
The portugese had naval supremacy in the indian ocean
The ottomans just had better trade deals and kind of a monopoly of trading with many sultanates but the portugese navy dominated the direct trade routes
@Murat ÖZDEMİR The analysis you provided is very interesting. However, if the Americas were really a priority for the Ottomans, I believe that France would have assisted them and would have provided the technology and expertise necessary for such an expedition ; the French had already set foot in Canada in 1534 and they formed an alliance with Sultan Soliman. It would have solved the problem and it would have been beneficial for both countries (new lands for the Ottomans and mutual military assistance, especially when we see what happened later in the Seven Years Was) . Unfortunately, we will never know...
I am very interested in what it would take to start a campaign in Roman times like supplies, garrisons, Calvary etc.
As you mentioned in the video about wars in Indian Ocean, Ottoman ships were light and they didn't compare with the Huge Galleys of Portugal. They did win against in Mediterranean but those seas aren't the same. Oceans have difficulties and Ottomans couldn't manage to handle.
Video was perfect as usual, Loved the Arts.
Many years ago during my first undergraduate polisci class, this was one of my biggest WTF questions.
I appreciate your channel!!!
As an Age of Empires III fan, I sometimes wish the story of Sahin the Falcon was real.
This can be neatly explained with 3 main arguments:
1) The Ottomans are *already* surrounded by other powers and have their hands full trying to control what they *do* rule over. Controlling such a vast land empire with the logistics of the time was a herculean task alone and obviously is going to take an overwhelming precedence to any attempted conquest by sea of the newly discovered Americas. By contrast the European powers like Spain, Portugal, England and France are tiny land masses and a great deal easier to control. While the European powers also are at war with each other these appear like smaller border skirmishes to what the Ottomans are facing both within and around their vast land empire. Basically trying to conquer parts of the Americas is an obvious example of over-stretching the empire. Like this video also points out the Ottomans are already worried by the Portuguese incursions into India by sailing around Africa.
2) Little to no impetus for conquering parts of the Americas. The Ottomans already control the trade routes from Asia to Europe and benefit greatly from the spice trade. The European Age of Discovery was in fact started by the need to find alternative trade routes to India thereby bypassing the Ottomans completely. The Europeans hence *had* a great impetus. At this time in history the Ottomans believe they're sitting on a never ending goldmine of trade and can always reap all the benefits from controlling it. Since the Europeans are still actively trading with them throughout this time it looks like "good business as usual" as far as the Ottomans are concerned.
3. Contemporary ignorance of what the new continent had of value and the ever increasing part it would play in the coming centuries. The Americas were a wild and untamed continent for roughly a century before European settlers began with their own vast plantations of cotton, tobacco and sugar. The native Americans didn't have such vast organized plantations so the early reports the Ottomans received probably gave them the impression that the locals were "tribal people" who had very little to offer and who would be virtually useless to trade/barter Ottoman goods with. The Ottomans also probably didn't believe the native Americans would disappear anytime soon and that the Europeans would "waste their time" trying to conquer a "wild continent" inhabited by "tribal people" who had very little trade value and no large quantities of what the Ottomans would consider "good business". (a national stereotype which has followed the Turks 'til this day).
Knowing these three factors it becomes obvious why the Ottomans neither really had the ability nor the desire to conquer the Americas and certainly didn't believe it would be worth all the trouble.
As far as many Ottomans were concerned the newly discovered Americas might as well have been on the Moon. Too distant. Too barren. Too expensive to undertake.
Fax but mehmed the second wanted to go to Amerika he even taked the atlas of ptolemy and Stuck the word map on the wall of his room tho
Pretty good summary though I would correct one point and add another point
As for the correction: The Portugese held control over many of the naval trade routes in the East, they seized these when they defeated the Mamluk Sultanate (who had control of the entire spice trade so far) in the Battle of Diu in 1509, from that point onward the portugese would have naval supremacy in the indian ocean till they got replaced by the Dutch
And while it is true that the Age of Discovery was to find alternative routes to India it's not only due to the ottomans but also to break the portugese semi-monopoly on the spice trade (either you buy from ottomans or the portugese, but both would sell for highly inflated prices), that's why Spain invested so much in exploration
As for the additional point: The ottomans couldn't reach the Americas, on one hand all possible naval routes to the Americas were in enemy control or inaccessible (like with Morocco) and on the other hand ottoman ships, primarily galleys, were not made for open sea travel, they wouldn't have been able to traverse the Atlantic or the Pacific, they simply lacked the naval technology in that regard
Its just seems like such a bizarre question to me, since I never though about it but you've defiantly given me something to think about. Also now I got to look at Ottoman naval conflicts in the Indian ocean, which i just realize i know nothing about.
I liked how you used Ceddin Deden as a background song. Good video, keep up your great work! Also lots of love from Turkey.
Hey K&G, can you make a Video about the Merchant Republic of Genoa? Seems like Venice had control over the more important trade routes and their rivalry with Venice seem very interesting.
Also which trade did Genoa control? Thanks :)
Hi K&G. hope K&G can highlight the history about The Glorious and fall of The Malacca Empire which is based in malay acepalago one of strongest naval under Ottoman rules during 1200s to 1511. this history is said to be hidden and twisted by orientalism and western colonial came in. But today many new facts have been discovered about the wealth and fame of the mallaca port's which is one of the world's leading ports and strongest navy during that time. Thanks K&G for continuing giving more info and history
Fun Fact, Jack Sparrow is inspired by the Ottoman Admiral Jack Ward (later Yusuf Reis). :)
Also there are Ottomans in few scenes in the Movie.
@Uçan Fok Canavarı "Barbarossa" is an Anglicized (english given) name. Just like Salahuddin turns into "Saladin".
@Uçan Fok Canavarı no it's not
@Nomad Typist barbarossa is not a name given by historians. His elder brother, Oruç Reis, had that italian nickname given to him. upon his death, Hızır Reis (Khizr) inherited his brothers nickname, and also was given the honorary name Hayrettin.
@mohamed Almisk he was a pirate. he then became an admiral.
jack sparrow bit is not true, but barbarossa is inspired from barbaros hayreddin pasha
Finally a detailed answer to a personally long unanswered question. Fantastic video!!
i think this video would be great if you talked about the battle of tree kings (Kasr el Kebir) - Turks were so close to get a free port from morocco after educating ahmed al mansur and abd malik the first from house of saadi and the defeat of Portugal in morocco lands !
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻thnxs for this unbelievable magical work
Where history has been enfused with life.
As someone who loves history i am overwhelmed at the minute detailing, accuracy and perfect presentation
And not to forget unforgettable music corresponding exactly with place mentioned is pure genius
This question has always hung on my mind. Thank you for sharing your perspective so clearly
Este canal es sencillamente excelente!
And then we'll talk about why no Austrian Colonies...
The Austrians made some attempts prior to the 19th century but it never came off the ground. By the 19th century they deemed it wise not to go on colonial adventures.
Austria had the ultra aggressive Ottoman Empire as their neighbors, so they were busy enough to fight off Turkish invasions of their own country.
@kamran misri If colonialism is unknown to Muslims then why do Moroccans and Egyptians speak Arabic today?
Never had a real navy
According to Turkish historians, the Grand Vizier of Suleiman the Magnificent, Pargalı İbrahim was interested in the New World. And not only him in that time, so was Admiral Barbarossa and Prince Mustafa too. But you know there was no opportunity to make this happen because of the wars in the west and east borders of the empire.
Could you do a video of the battle of Zenta in 1697? That was quite a bloodbath.
Thank you for this well-prepared video. Some videos about Ottomans are so biased and subjective but you guys are doing this correctly.