Join us on the History Hit KZclip channel TONIGHT at 7PM for a live Q&A session with Egyptologist Dr Chris Naunton. Here's the link: kzclip.org/video/GtrKUvmBBAo/бейне.html He'll be talking about his first full-length documentary on History Hit TV, 'The Story of Egyptology'. There'll also be a live watch-along of the episode and the chance to put your questions to the producers, Mark Edger and Milo Cumpstey. 😀
Probably one of the most well presented docos i have seen in recent years. This fellow has a knack for explaning things carefully and isn't over the top with expressions or tv persona. Sorta reminds me of the great bbc docos of old, where the narrator actually narrates and informs rather than belittles or is comical about the content. Thankyou very much.
"The work done by Young & Champollion was truly magnificent". I'm not trying to restart the rivalry, but one guy's main contributions were making some random guesses and actively preventing his rival from getting his hands on useful sources; while the other guy's cracked the supposedly undecipherable code. One work seems a tad more magnificent than the other.
@Ac D. C sama Of course. Credit must be given to his contribution. But not equal credit, which this presenter mistakenly gives him. You can bang on about 'Champollion may never have...' all day long. The fact is that Young had plenty of time alone with his breakthrough, but he definitely did not make the leap to fully understand what he was looking at. The French guy did, and made the actual breakthrough. He deciphered the text. That's why he gets the lion's share of the credit. And it is also true the Copts also deserve some credit for their contribution.
@Ac D. C sama and Champollion literally thought he had the rights to not recognize Young not gave credit to him when he's the reason of his decipherment
@Ac D. C sama Young made A breaktrhough, but Champollion did all the rest, that's why history remembers Champolion while Young is all but forgotten. C'est la vie!😁
@Funmi Okus jah bless. There is people who understand your truth. Never give up. Every thing will come to the light in the end, nothing will go without confrontations.
Given the basalt Rosetta Stone and two already well documented languages on it, (Hieratic and Coptic), the reduction of 3rd dynasty hieroglyphics had a key in two languages. The Egyptians made very sure their knowledge, in part at least, would be seen for millennia…and it has.
@Ac D. C sama I know that feeling. If I had one wish, it would be to catalog and scan every scroll from the great library at Alexandria and bring it forward in time. How ancient history would change…
I believe Carl Sagan's Cosmos mentioned this story with an added detail about Champollion's childhood with the Mathematician Joseph Fourier. Fourier was on the expedition that discovered the Rosetta Stone, and Sagan explained that an 11 year old Champollion, gifted with languages, was invited to Fourier's office and was so enthralled by the undecipherable text that he declared he'd be the one decipher it. But is it true? How much did Fourier interact with Champollion? What Cosmos episode was that?
I also do want to mention the Tanis Stone which was discovered by Leo Simon Reinisch in 1866, he later became the rector of the University of Vienna. With the Tanis stele's help a much preciser translation of hieroglyphs were possible.
I've been fascinated by history for as long as I can remember but the history they chose to teach us in grades 9 & 10 (if pupils chose history as one of their optional subjects) was incredibly dull stuff. It was all about agricultural and industrial progress, then political reform. Now I accept that social history has done more for the common folk than kings, knights, castles and battles ever did - but when you're 14 years old reading about horse drawn seed drills and the intricacies of textile manufacture is a form of purgatory.
It occurs to me watching this video, that without the obsession with ancient Egypt and the break through of translation, people would proably still only see archaeology as treasure hunting and ignore a lot of important discoveries because they weren't pretty jewels or big monuments .
They are, what is the term in English, portmanteau words? Rebus words? I don't remember the term. When you use a picture of something to indicate the sound of the word that designates that something, or in this case the consonants of that word. Like using a picture of a dog to indicate the consonants "dg"
I get the impression there’s more to this video. As in it feels like it’s part of a longer documentary. One I’d like to see. Going through the actual language and the text itself is very interesting.
For me, even more fascinating and wonderful than Egyptian culture/history is the fact that Europeans, since the Renaissance, have this incredible curiosity, the fascination with new things and the drive to find out how things work.
KFC in Chinese is phonetic "gun duh gee" which sounds similar to Kentucky. This is not just phonetic however as the word "gee" means chicken. Chinese writing "han zuh" sometimes uses a pictograph (often quite morphed over time) which contains meaning, and a phonetic component which indicates pronunciation.
interesting. similarly old turkic script was decoded by the chinese text (translation). kultegin inscription was discovered in 1889 by yardintsev and decoded by thomsen and radloff only 4 years later. and the first word discovered was "köktengri" meaning sky god in old turkic.
Imagine "dying" some millenias ago while your civilization is burning and dying itself, then being somehow brought back to life over 2000 years later and finding out that a handful of people managed to somehow learn your language and studied your civilization to the point of intimately knowing the greatest leaders of your time and your culture Our science is slowly but steadily moving towards playing gods and its awesome
@Justin Buckner Sure keep living in 1901, ill enjoy the science of tomorrow where my ancestry and the most fascinating parts of history are completely unlocked for me to explore as a passionate individual thanks to the power of modern science
What a brilliant subject! I've always been drawn to ancient Egypt as a young girl and as far back as I can remember. I've had such a curiosity as to how Egyptian hieroglyphs were deciphered and I even bought a book years ago - just stumbled on it... a coincidence... 🤔 I don't think so. Archeology is my passion, especially Egyptology. I'm Greek and the quest to discover Alexander the Great and Cleopatra is a burning flame... Both were from Macedonia and both disappeared in Egypt... Thanks so much Dr Norton 🤗
"In the 9th century, an alchemist by the name of Abu Bakr ibn Wahshiyya managed to decipher about half of all Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols. Considering the fact that there are a total of about 700-800 symbols to be cracked, this was an achievement that deserves recognition. Ibn Wahshiyya’s contribution was first brought to light in 2004 by the London-based Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly, a professor at UCL’s Institute of Archeology. El Daly did extensive research on the study of ancient Egypt in medieval Arab-Islamic writing and convincingly argued that not only did Muslims express a deep interest in the study of ancient civilizations, but that they could also correctly decipher Egyptian hieroglyphic script. He hacked other cryptic alphabets as well - 93 of them, in fact, including alphabets used by the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenistic, and Hindu civilizations. He published his findings in a text titled Kitab Shawq al-Mustaham, in which he gave a list of hieroglyphic symbols, their meaning (either as sounds or words) and their Arabic equivalent. El Daly compared Ibn Wahshiyya’s conclusions on hieroglyphics with Egyptologists’ modern-day understanding of them and found them to be accurate. El Daly emphasized that, because of their prejudices about Islam, Western scholars have been unfair to classical Muslim Egyptologists. “Western culture misinterprets Islam because we [in the West] think teaching [of civilizations] before the Qur’an is shunned, which isn’t the case,” he said. “They valued history and assumed Egypt was a land of science and wisdom and as such they wanted to learn their language to have access to such vast knowledge.”
I visited the British Museum and stood in front of the Rosetta Stone all by myself for over an hour without a single other person taking the time to even peruse it so I got a good long uninterrupted look at it
I'm wondering if we can create a modern version of a rosetta stone for future generations, just in case some of our language knowledge is lost. Something like Google Translate, but completely offline and self contained, resilient to data loss and obsolescence
We already have. What made Egyptian hieroglyphs so hard is that it wasn't really a language that was in common, daily use. Their name for hieroglyphs was literally "the words of the gods", and that's how it was used. Think about how hard and time consuming it is to draw such complex symbols in literal stone, how much space it takes to write so little (information density is low), how hard it is to transport, etc. Therefore, writing was not a common thing. Very few knew how to read or write, the rules of the language weren't very well defined, and it was used for no purpose but to write the grandiose stories of gods, kings and armies in the walls of temples. As ink in lighter limestone and finally papyrus became more common, then writing became more common, and it gained new uses, and therefore the scripts used in such documents, such as Hieratic and later Demotic scripts where understood. Imagine some future or alien civilization wants to understand modern earth languages. They would find literal kids books teaching the language, dictionaries, and a variety of other texts that were written to explain, document and teach the language in question, they would find texts written in one language designed to teach another language, dictionaries translating between languages, books with illustrations, etc. They'd also have more advanced technology to understand them. Let's say there was a modern language, like English, that we didn't understand. Using current technology, we could feed a lot of text into an AI, and rediscover the meaning of the language in a very short time.
Im kinda obsessed with the concept of a universal language so I clicked. Thanks. U all made a great video. I think I find universal language BTW. Science is merely an agreement between 2 people articulating language.
In days of old, someone was always announced with a list of thier titles, eg: overseer of the canals, visier of the third temple, slayer of the Mongols,... With Egyptian heiroglyphs, I'm sure the pyramid, ankh, djed symbols represent something extra alphabet, like we would use a PhD these days. So a standard king's cartouche would be surrounded by ideas such as: builder of pyramid, builder of statues, master of agriculture, keeper of the knowledge of the ankh and djed.
Indeed. Specifically, Pharaohs had five names, all of them with the corresponding titles. They initially had less, the others developed through time. That is, after a Pharaoh added a certain name, the ones following him couldn't be less, now, could they? So they kept the tradition. They used three names that defined them in relation to the gods, then the throne name, that was closer to what later kings would use as a title (think Ruler of this and lord of that and protector of the other), and finally their proper name.
Deciphering the Rosetta Stone followed almost exactly the deciphering of cuneiform based I think on Old Person from a multi language cliff inscription. Coptic should have almost made hieroglyphs obvious. Champollion's real genius was like someone solving someone else's crossword puzzle where the original solver got several of the words wrong.
I've got a series of videos on this same topic on my channel if anyone is interested to learn some other details, like what came out of Arabic efforts to translate Hieroglyphs, and how Champollion learned Coptic!
This was a great story about how scholars decoded ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. They should do another one about how they decoded how to read Chinese. I bet that was even harder than figuring out hieroglyphs.
Of course Chinese writing has been used continuously for well over 3000 years, so there aren't the same decoding challenges. There are, at the same time, interesting debates about how the earliest character-like symbols were used; they appeared up to 8000 years ago. Were they writing, so-called "proto-writing," or simply pretty designs?
All of this hinges on this one random stone that happened to survive relatively intact for close to two millennia. That, to me, is insane. We might have been able to decipher hieroglyphics without the stone eventually but it would have taken longer and no one would have ever been 100% sure that they were actually correct as they wouldn't have had a direct translation to compare their findings to.
Rather lax to loose a whole language, anyway, well done getting it back. For me, Daniel Jackson is the greatest Egyptologist in modern times, an amazing man Very good video btw, really enjoyed it.
Imagine if hieroglyphics actually was written and ment to be read from the right to the left,,imagine if the cartouches that we believe holds royalties names didn't and imagine if the rositta stones actually hold 3 different texts 😱😱
at the start of the story, how did young know he had the "tolomay cartoosh" (big apologies for the spelling) it seems like a guess that worked? this is great though thankyou.. could feel myself getting excited along with the progression of the story.
They still may only have phonetic sounds for some things and symbolism for others. And like the Hebrew, originally each sound has its own meaning. They were put together to form words. But every symbol had its own meaning separately. As well as numerical value better explained letters had a meaning. The sound of the letters is what I meant. So the sound b meant some thing and when put together with other letters it was a sentence more than it was a word. But we would look at it as a word For example. “M” in Hebrew was both the number 40. But it meant mighty, water, chaos (like the deep), coming from water. You had To know the context A (aleph) was ox, leader, strength, Adonai (God) and the number 1 So for example MA may mean mighty God. And the number 41 In English each letter or sound does not represent a word. Their letters were like emojis. And put into a word they were like many emojis or a sentence.
@BurnBird better explained letters had a meaning. The sound of the letters is what I meant. So the sound b meant some thing and when put together with other letters it was a sentence more than it was a word. But we would look at it as a word For example. “M” in Hebrew was both the number 40. But it meant mighty, water, chaos (like the deep), coming from water. You had To know the context A (aleph) was ox, leader, strength, Adonai (God) and the number 1 So for example MA may mean mighty God. And the number 41 In English each letter or sound does not represent a word. Their letters were like emojis. And put into a word they were like many emojis or a sentence. But I appreciate the sarcasm. Made me chuckle.
Really? Because everyone living in the modern world owes a LOT to Napoleon. For instance, if you like the notion of the law being actually written and codified, which is the basis for your rights, you have Napoleon to thank for the most part. Napoleon was an incredible ruler, and besides what people think, quite progressive, and many things we take for granted today where reforms he introduced, from civil law to canned food.
In the 9th century, an alchemist by the name of Abu Bakr ibn Wahshiyya managed to decipher about half of all Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols. Considering the fact that there are a total of about 700-800 symbols to be cracked, this was an achievement that deserves recognition. Ibn Wahshiyya’s contribution was first brought to light in 2004 by the London-based Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly, a professor at UCL’s Institute of Archeology. El Daly did extensive research on the study of ancient Egypt in medieval Arab-Islamic writing and convincingly argued that not only did Muslims express a deep interest in the study of ancient civilizations, but that they could also correctly decipher Egyptian hieroglyphic script. He hacked other cryptic alphabets as well - 93 of them, in fact, including alphabets used by the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenistic, and Hindu civilizations. He published his findings in a text titled Kitab Shawq al-Mustaham, in which he gave a list of hieroglyphic symbols, their meaning (either as sounds or words) and their Arabic equivalent. El Daly compared Ibn Wahshiyya’s conclusions on hieroglyphics with Egyptologists’ modern-day understanding of them and found them to be accurate. El Daly emphasized that, because of their prejudices about Islam, Western scholars have been unfair to classical Muslim Egyptologists. “Western culture misinterprets Islam because we [in the West] think teaching [of civilizations] before the Qur’an is shunned, which isn’t the case,” he said. “They valued history and assumed Egypt was a land of science and wisdom and as such they wanted to learn their language to have access to such vast knowledge.”
@Leonardo David 28 Thanks for your response which I enjoyed reading. You have encapsulated the debate - I was being deliberately provocative with my little remark. However a few thoughts: Britain effectively declared war on Hitler; did that make Britain the aggressor? Assessing a leader's merits by declarations of war for & against is frought with difficulty. Likewise the modernising argument. Henry V111's reign in many ways laid the foundations of modern Britain. Should the fact that it was driven by greed, vanity, jealousy, etc, be considered when assessing the man?
@Trailing Arm He was declared war against 5 times. Only started two wars himself (lost both). I am not French. Yet u r probably anglo-saxon (assumption). Just ask urself, isn’t it a little weird that the one country that funded and started 5 wars against Napoleon is also the one where Napoleon is hated most? In Russia and Spain too he has a bad reputation. However in Germany, Austria, Italy he has a pretty good reputation. In Poland and France he is famously as a hero. He did not start the wars. Proposed peace multiple times (and refused 2 peace offers himself), and 4 times did countries whom he had signed a peace treaty with breach their treaty with him. Also he exported liberalism (which has taken over the world) across europe, influenced German and Italian nationalism, liberated many people aswel. He never committed any acts of genocide as you suggest. Yes war is violent. Yes, he was brutal against Russian and Spaniard partisans, and at times against domestic French rebels. However if compared to the behavior of most leaders in history, he was more on the merceful than violent side. Weather he was a warmonger is still debated. Personally, I repeat, he was declared war upon 3-4 times, two coalition was declared against France before he came to power (for the fact that it’s people didn’t want their king…) and 2 wars he started himself.
@Trailing Arm Never said there was only british aggression, reread our convo; I only said there was MOSTLY british aggression because it's a fact. Spain and Portugal, then arguably Russia are the few exceptions, not the rule.
Even back in those times, the spin doctors were keeping busy... Thanks to the ancient Hittites keeping their own history, the battle of Kadesh wasn't the great victory proclaimed by the Egyptian stone writing... Just like nowadays...😑
Love and appreciation of art is not in its private collection, private collector is 9nly suffering due to severe personality disorder related to possession. The more people see and understand it the better it is appreciated and Loved.
If you take any pictures of Egyptian glyphs then edit the images exposure,brilliance,Shadow,black point, highlights and contrast they turn gold and makes it look like it originally looked when it was covered in gold.. Weird cause only the parts that had gold will turn gold..
The Verdict of Champollion, humanity’s greatest polyglot, on the Coptic Language: Jean-François Champollion (1790 - 1832) deciphered the Egyptian hieroglyphs in 1822, and made it possible for modern Egyptology to emerge. He perhaps would not have been able to do that at all had he not studied Coptic first. There is one man, who is still largely enigmatic, who helped him to learn Coptic - Yuhanna Chiftichi, a Coptic priest who worked with the French during the French Campaign in Egypt (1798 - 1801), and left with the French, with many other Copts, to France when the French withdrew.[1] In France, he became priest at the church of Saint-Roch on Rue Saint-Honoré, in Paris. There, he assisted the Egyptian Commission in producing Description de l’Ėgypte; but, perhaps, his lasting service to civilisation was his assistance he gave to Champollion, who befriended him, to learn Coptic. Champollion knew many European and Oriental languages, at least sixteen in total, including Latin, Greek, French, English, German, Arabic, Syriac, Chaldean (Aramaic), Sanskrit, Persian, and Chinese. When he became fluent in Coptic, he wrote in 1809: I have thrown myself into Coptic, I want to know Egyptian as well as I know French, because my great work on the Egyptian papyrus [hieroglyphics] will be based on this language. . . . My Coptic is moving along, and I find in it the greatest joy, because you have to think: to speak the language of my dear Amenhotep, Seth, Ramses, Thuthmos, is no small thing. . . . As for Coptic, I do nothing else. I dream in Coptic. I do nothing but that, I dream only in Coptic, in Egyptian. . . . I am so Coptic, that for fun, I translate into Coptic everything that comes into my head. I speak Coptic all alone to myself (since no one else can understand me). This is the real way for me to put my pure Egyptian into my head. . . . In my view, Coptic is the most perfect, most rational language known.[2] “Coptic is the most perfect and the most rational language known.” This is the verdict of Champollion on the Coptic language. Those who know Coptic would tend to agree with him. And the Copts must know this, and be sure of the many beauties of their language. ________________ [1] For more on Yuhanna Chiftichi, see: Chiftichi, Yuhanna (CE:519a-520b) by Anouar Louca in Coptic Encyclopedia, ed. Aziz Suryal Atiya (New York, Macmillan, 1991). [2] Muriel Mirak Weissbach, Jean François Champollion And the True Story of Egypt in 21st Century Science & Technology magazine, Winter 1999-2000, 12 (4), 26-39, p. 32. See also, Andrew Robinson, Cracking the Egyptian Code, The Revolutionary Life of Jean-Francois Champollion (London, Thames & Hudson, 2012), p. 61.
:) In the 9th century, an alchemist by the name of Abu Bakr ibn Wahshiyya managed to decipher about half of all Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols. Considering the fact that there are a total of about 700-800 symbols to be cracked, this was an achievement that deserves recognition. Ibn Wahshiyya’s contribution was first brought to light in 2004 by the London-based Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly, a professor at UCL’s Institute of Archeology. El Daly did extensive research on the study of ancient Egypt in medieval Arab-Islamic writing and convincingly argued that not only did Muslims express a deep interest in the study of ancient civilizations, but that they could also correctly decipher Egyptian hieroglyphic script. He hacked other cryptic alphabets as well - 93 of them, in fact, including alphabets used by the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenistic, and Hindu civilizations. He published his findings in a text titled Kitab Shawq al-Mustaham, in which he gave a list of hieroglyphic symbols, their meaning (either as sounds or words) and their Arabic equivalent. El Daly compared Ibn Wahshiyya’s conclusions on hieroglyphics with Egyptologists’ modern-day understanding of them and found them to be accurate. El Daly emphasized that, because of their prejudices about Islam, Western scholars have been unfair to classical Muslim Egyptologists. “Western culture misinterprets Islam because we [in the West] think teaching [of civilizations] before the Qur’an is shunned, which isn’t the case,” he said. “They valued history and assumed Egypt was a land of science and wisdom and as such they wanted to learn their language to have access to such vast knowledge.”
It's upsetting that people just think so narrow minded and don't see the bigger picture these artifacts are about today because of what they did and countries are getting there history back instead of it being lost for ever
7:37 rotation / two metals / poles ( royals ) /. Rotation of spinning copper rod surrounded by magnetic iron curved rod travels between poles ( royals signal each other)
I fully agree with Eric Lewis: this WOULD make an amazing movie; but they’re coming out with a new blockbuster film on ‘The Kardashians’ instead (it’s rumoured that Beyoncé might make a cameo appearance as Cleopatra and Oprah as Hatshepsut; Kanye himself will appear as Champollion opposite Kim’s Young). Produced and directed by Kris Jenner (a.k.a. Set/Satan).
"In the 9th century, an alchemist by the name of Abu Bakr ibn Wahshiyya managed to decipher about half of all Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols. Considering the fact that there are a total of about 700-800 symbols to be cracked, this was an achievement that deserves recognition. Ibn Wahshiyya’s contribution was first brought to light in 2004 by the London-based Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly, a professor at UCL’s Institute of Archeology. El Daly did extensive research on the study of ancient Egypt in medieval Arab-Islamic writing and convincingly argued that not only did Muslims express a deep interest in the study of ancient civilizations, but that they could also correctly decipher Egyptian hieroglyphic script. He hacked other cryptic alphabets as well - 93 of them, in fact, including alphabets used by the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenistic, and Hindu civilizations. He published his findings in a text titled Kitab Shawq al-Mustaham, in which he gave a list of hieroglyphic symbols, their meaning (either as sounds or words) and their Arabic equivalent. El Daly compared Ibn Wahshiyya’s conclusions on hieroglyphics with Egyptologists’ modern-day understanding of them and found them to be accurate. El Daly emphasized that, because of their prejudices about Islam, Western scholars have been unfair to classical Muslim Egyptologists. “Western culture misinterprets Islam because we [in the West] think teaching [of civilizations] before the Qur’an is shunned, which isn’t the case,” he said. “They valued history and assumed Egypt was a land of science and wisdom and as such they wanted to learn their language to have access to such vast knowledge.”"
@Abu Amanah Yeah, your so-called non Muslim professor , has no Islamic bias whatsoever: El-Daly Lectures at Leeds on Muslim Heritage in Our Worldby Okasha El Daly Published on: 5th March 2009 The Leeds University Islamic Awareness Week organised by students, invited Dr. Okasha El Daly to deliver the opening lecture on Monday 16th February 2009 which took place at Rupert Beckett Theatre, University of Leeds.
@Abu Amanah This was your reply to me: “Abu Amanah • 2 hours ago @Dr. Banoub : That's your opinions but can we also allow the opinions of the non Muslim professor at the UCL also or that's not allowed?”
@Abu Amanah Lol! You didn’t think I’d look up Dr. Okasha El Daly? You lied and claimed him to be a non Muslim. Allah, the Best Deceiver (Qur'an 3:54), so why not follow Allah?
And kind of they called king not pharaon but kind of farooh. But they could write it only closely - kind of pha ra onh. But it allways were pronounced as farooh. Same as to other words
When the AI computers really get good, they will be able to "look" at any ancient text or hieroglyphs and translate it. That is when things get really interesting.
Overstating Young's input a little. He had a team working under him, while Champollion was practically solo for the majority of his research. What they did to him on his return from Egypt is a crime for the ages.
You're in London, at lease pop 'round to the British Museum and get some B-Roll of the actual Rosetta Stone. You can't have been sitting more than five miles from it.
It stated how great the king was, how much he donated to the temples, and what the priests were to do in return, along with promised tax reductions and the need for everlasting appreciation of the king by all.
Since childhood when I learned of the Rosetta Stone I have been fascinated and made frequent visits to the British Museum to see the replica and the genuine article. I have often amused myself that the whole thing was a cunning red herring made to confuse future generations. I’ve hypothesised that every translation of hieroglyphs has been completely the opposite to that which we accept as a result.
Join us on the History Hit KZclip channel TONIGHT at 7PM for a live Q&A session with Egyptologist Dr Chris Naunton. Here's the link: kzclip.org/video/GtrKUvmBBAo/бейне.html
He'll be talking about his first full-length documentary on History Hit TV, 'The Story of Egyptology'. There'll also be a live watch-along of the episode and the chance to put your questions to the producers, Mark Edger and Milo Cumpstey. 😀
Probably one of the most well presented docos i have seen in recent years. This fellow has a knack for explaning things carefully and isn't over the top with expressions or tv persona. Sorta reminds me of the great bbc docos of old, where the narrator actually narrates and informs rather than belittles or is comical about the content. Thankyou very much.
Amazing how almost no funding or effort ha been put into decoding Meroitic script (Nubian pictograms)
Im always down for a good docky wocky!
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"The work done by Young & Champollion was truly magnificent". I'm not trying to restart the rivalry, but one guy's main contributions were making some random guesses and actively preventing his rival from getting his hands on useful sources; while the other guy's cracked the supposedly undecipherable code. One work seems a tad more magnificent than the other.
@Ac D. C sama Of course. Credit must be given to his contribution. But not equal credit, which this presenter mistakenly gives him. You can bang on about 'Champollion may never have...' all day long. The fact is that Young had plenty of time alone with his breakthrough, but he definitely did not make the leap to fully understand what he was looking at. The French guy did, and made the actual breakthrough. He deciphered the text. That's why he gets the lion's share of the credit. And it is also true the Copts also deserve some credit for their contribution.
@Ac D. C sama and Champollion literally thought he had the rights to not recognize Young not gave credit to him when he's the reason of his decipherment
@shwat2013
Hearsay.
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Champollion and his brother supposedly debated about race of the Egyptians. One believing they were like the Ethiopians, and the other day no way
@Ac D. C sama Young made A breaktrhough, but Champollion did all the rest, that's why history remembers Champolion while Young is all but forgotten. C'est la vie!😁
A great story, told well. Maybe you could do a video talking more about the Rosetta stone and the language lessons it contained?
rosetta stone is not a complete piece but you can find Canopus Decree with nice Hieroglyphs and Greek
Brilliant, love to see more about Hieroglyphics and what they actually tell us.
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There is more to decipher on a stop sign than there are on hieroglyphics..
@Funmi Okus jah bless. There is people who understand your truth. Never give up. Every thing will come to the light in the end, nothing will go without confrontations.
@GreyWolfClimber LIES ALWAYS CATCH UP NO MATTER HOW LONG
Given the basalt Rosetta Stone and two already well documented languages on it, (Hieratic and Coptic), the reduction of 3rd dynasty hieroglyphics had a key in two languages. The Egyptians made very sure their knowledge, in part at least, would be seen for millennia…and it has.
@Ac D. C sama I know that feeling. If I had one wish, it would be to catalog and scan every scroll from the great library at Alexandria and bring it forward in time. How ancient history would change…
@mina magdy You are correct, thank you. Demotic being the next descendant from Hieratic.
@simon magus Clever (and humorous). 👍
pretty sure they didn't have bath salts in ancient egypt
Demotic, not hieratic (just a nitpick). It truly is magnificent what they were capable of.
I believe Carl Sagan's Cosmos mentioned this story with an added detail about Champollion's childhood with the Mathematician Joseph Fourier. Fourier was on the expedition that discovered the Rosetta Stone, and Sagan explained that an 11 year old Champollion, gifted with languages, was invited to Fourier's office and was so enthralled by the undecipherable text that he declared he'd be the one decipher it. But is it true? How much did Fourier interact with Champollion? What Cosmos episode was that?
Was fourier a soldier in napoleon's army?
Interesting story but a little too refined not to be apocryphal.
I have always been fascinated by Ancient Egypt. Thousands of years of history all crammed into one country.
Very interesting! Even with the stone, it's amazing that they cracked it. 👍🏻 New subscriber!
That was a great explanation. I’ve always wondered how the Rosetta Stone helped crack the code for hieroglyphics.
Hello very great video. Is this based solely on whether or not the greek texts translates directly to the demotic and hieroglyphic?
I also do want to mention the Tanis Stone which was discovered by Leo Simon Reinisch in 1866, he later became the rector of the University of Vienna. With the Tanis stele's help a much preciser translation of hieroglyphs were possible.
Am I correct in assuming that your shared surname is more than coincidence?
Thanks for making this so understandable!
This should be shown to anyone who says history is boring. Even the history of exploring history can be fascinating.
I've been fascinated by history for as long as I can remember but the history they chose to teach us in grades 9 & 10 (if pupils chose history as one of their optional subjects)
was incredibly dull stuff. It was all about agricultural and industrial progress, then political reform. Now I accept that social history has done more for the common folk than kings, knights, castles and battles ever did - but when you're 14 years old reading about horse drawn seed drills and the intricacies of textile manufacture is a form of purgatory.
It occurs to me watching this video, that without the obsession with ancient Egypt and the break through of translation, people would proably still only see archaeology as treasure hunting and ignore a lot of important discoveries because they weren't pretty jewels or big monuments
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First time in my long life to find out heiroglyphics were substantially phonetic! That's a major revelation
They are, what is the term in English, portmanteau words? Rebus words? I don't remember the term. When you use a picture of something to indicate the sound of the word that designates that something, or in this case the consonants of that word. Like using a picture of a dog to indicate the consonants "dg"
Yeh I was blown away by that, too!
I get the impression there’s more to this video. As in it feels like it’s part of a longer documentary. One I’d like to see. Going through the actual language and the text itself is very interesting.
You're right! You may be interested in this live event this evening: kzclip.org/video/GtrKUvmBBAo/бейне.html
For me, even more fascinating and wonderful than Egyptian culture/history is the fact that Europeans, since the Renaissance, have this incredible curiosity, the fascination with new things and the drive to find out how things work.
KFC in Chinese is phonetic "gun duh gee" which sounds similar to Kentucky. This is not just phonetic however as the word "gee" means chicken. Chinese writing "han zuh" sometimes uses a pictograph (often quite morphed over time) which contains meaning, and a phonetic component which indicates pronunciation.
Awesome I’ve always wondered how they read those and other ancient writings
Very nicely explained.
Please post some more videos from this series! :D
Amazing narrative and well research short documentary.
interesting. similarly old turkic script was decoded by the chinese text (translation). kultegin inscription was discovered in 1889 by yardintsev and decoded by thomsen and radloff only 4 years later.
and the first word discovered was "köktengri" meaning sky god in old turkic.
This video gave exactly what I was looking for when I searched for this topic.
This was really exciting. I loved it!
Imagine "dying" some millenias ago while your civilization is burning and dying itself, then being somehow brought back to life over 2000 years later and finding out that a handful of people managed to somehow learn your language and studied your civilization to the point of intimately knowing the greatest leaders of your time and your culture
Our science is slowly but steadily moving towards playing gods and its awesome
No tf were not😂
@Kinvert Circling the drain.
Many of us won't have to imagine the "dying" while our civilization is burning and dying itself.
@Justin Buckner Sure keep living in 1901, ill enjoy the science of tomorrow where my ancestry and the most fascinating parts of history are completely unlocked for me to explore as a passionate individual thanks to the power of modern science
Bro lay off the drugs.. just people studying stuff. Nothing less nothing more
What a brilliant subject! I've always been drawn to ancient Egypt as a young girl and as far back as I can remember. I've had such a curiosity as to how Egyptian hieroglyphs were deciphered and I even bought a book years ago - just stumbled on it... a coincidence... 🤔 I don't think so. Archeology is my passion, especially Egyptology. I'm Greek and the quest to discover Alexander the Great and Cleopatra is a burning flame... Both were from Macedonia and both disappeared in Egypt...
Thanks so much Dr Norton 🤗
"In the 9th century, an alchemist by the name of Abu Bakr ibn Wahshiyya managed to decipher about half of all Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols. Considering the fact that there are a total of about 700-800 symbols to be cracked, this was an achievement that deserves recognition. Ibn Wahshiyya’s contribution was first brought to light in 2004 by the London-based Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly, a professor at UCL’s Institute of Archeology. El Daly did extensive research on the study of ancient Egypt in medieval Arab-Islamic writing and convincingly argued that not only did Muslims express a deep interest in the study of ancient civilizations, but that they could also correctly decipher Egyptian hieroglyphic script. He hacked other cryptic alphabets as well - 93 of them, in fact, including alphabets used by the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenistic, and Hindu civilizations. He published his findings in a text titled Kitab Shawq al-Mustaham, in which he gave a list of hieroglyphic symbols, their meaning (either as sounds or words) and their Arabic equivalent. El Daly compared Ibn Wahshiyya’s conclusions on hieroglyphics with Egyptologists’ modern-day understanding of them and found them to be accurate. El Daly emphasized that, because of their prejudices about Islam, Western scholars have been unfair to classical Muslim Egyptologists. “Western culture misinterprets Islam because we [in the West] think teaching [of civilizations] before the Qur’an is shunned, which isn’t the case,” he said. “They valued history and assumed Egypt was a land of science and wisdom and as such they wanted to learn their language to have access to such vast knowledge.”
I visited the British Museum and stood in front of the Rosetta Stone all by myself for over an hour without a single other person taking the time to even peruse it so I got a good long uninterrupted look at it
And I bet after the hour you understood exactly as much as you did before
I'm wondering if we can create a modern version of a rosetta stone for future generations, just in case some of our language knowledge is lost. Something like Google Translate, but completely offline and self contained, resilient to data loss and obsolescence
We already have. What made Egyptian hieroglyphs so hard is that it wasn't really a language that was in common, daily use. Their name for hieroglyphs was literally "the words of the gods", and that's how it was used. Think about how hard and time consuming it is to draw such complex symbols in literal stone, how much space it takes to write so little (information density is low), how hard it is to transport, etc. Therefore, writing was not a common thing. Very few knew how to read or write, the rules of the language weren't very well defined, and it was used for no purpose but to write the grandiose stories of gods, kings and armies in the walls of temples. As ink in lighter limestone and finally papyrus became more common, then writing became more common, and it gained new uses, and therefore the scripts used in such documents, such as Hieratic and later Demotic scripts where understood. Imagine some future or alien civilization wants to understand modern earth languages. They would find literal kids books teaching the language, dictionaries, and a variety of other texts that were written to explain, document and teach the language in question, they would find texts written in one language designed to teach another language, dictionaries translating between languages, books with illustrations, etc. They'd also have more advanced technology to understand them. Let's say there was a modern language, like English, that we didn't understand. Using current technology, we could feed a lot of text into an AI, and rediscover the meaning of the language in a very short time.
Thank you I have always wondered how it broke down I have a thing for languages ever since I was a child
Im kinda obsessed with the concept of a universal language so I clicked. Thanks. U all made a great video. I think I find universal language BTW. Science is merely an agreement between 2 people articulating language.
Egyptologist after deciphering hieroglyphs: "It's a cookbook! It's a cookbook!" 😄
In days of old, someone was always announced with a list of thier titles, eg: overseer of the canals, visier of the third temple, slayer of the Mongols,... With Egyptian heiroglyphs, I'm sure the pyramid, ankh, djed symbols represent something extra alphabet, like we would use a PhD these days.
So a standard king's cartouche would be surrounded by ideas such as: builder of pyramid, builder of statues, master of agriculture, keeper of the knowledge of the ankh and djed.
Indeed. Specifically, Pharaohs had five names, all of them with the corresponding titles. They initially had less, the others developed through time. That is, after a Pharaoh added a certain name, the ones following him couldn't be less, now, could they? So they kept the tradition. They used three names that defined them in relation to the gods, then the throne name, that was closer to what later kings would use as a title (think Ruler of this and lord of that and protector of the other), and finally their proper name.
Deciphering the Rosetta Stone followed almost exactly the deciphering of cuneiform based I think on Old Person from a multi language cliff inscription. Coptic should have almost made hieroglyphs obvious. Champollion's real genius was like someone solving someone else's crossword puzzle where the original solver got several of the words wrong.
Fantastic video dude you guys really deserve more subs
Thanks mate!
a circle (nowadays it's a square with a dash) used to be the symbol for the sun in chinese too
Omg genius and what luck of finding that stone.
Imagine having to chisel a picture of a bird every time you want an 'a'
I’ve been waiting for this for a v long time., so thank you! 🙏
I've got a series of videos on this same topic on my channel if anyone is interested to learn some other details, like what came out of Arabic efforts to translate Hieroglyphs, and how Champollion learned Coptic!
Give link please? 😊 Interested in learning Coptic!
Great, more please 🙏
This was a great story about how scholars decoded ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs. They should do another one about how they decoded how to read Chinese. I bet that was even harder than figuring out hieroglyphs.
Of course Chinese writing has been used continuously for well over 3000 years, so there aren't the same decoding challenges. There are, at the same time, interesting debates about how the earliest character-like symbols were used; they appeared up to 8000 years ago. Were they writing, so-called "proto-writing," or simply pretty designs?
How was the language lost in the first place? …can u do a video on that vital fact
All of this hinges on this one random stone that happened to survive relatively intact for close to two millennia. That, to me, is insane.
We might have been able to decipher hieroglyphics without the stone eventually but it would have taken longer and no one would have ever been 100% sure that they were actually correct as they wouldn't have had a direct translation to compare their findings to.
Crazy, I've seen that document before, but I didn't know anything else from this video.
Rather lax to loose a whole language, anyway, well done getting it back.
For me, Daniel Jackson is the greatest Egyptologist in modern times, an amazing man
Very good video btw, really enjoyed it.
Well, the greatest from the fifth race anyway.
"Loose" is an adjective.
Imagine if hieroglyphics actually was written and ment to be read from the right to the left,,imagine if the cartouches that we believe holds royalties names didn't and imagine if the rositta stones actually hold 3 different texts 😱😱
I’m Surprised More Rosetta Stones weren’t Found. There was 1 at Every major port down the Nile.
We’re very lucky that Rosetta Stone even happen to exist
03:00 Ancient Greek could be read ANYTIME 😊
at the start of the story, how did young know he had the "tolomay cartoosh" (big apologies for the spelling) it seems like a guess that worked?
this is great though thankyou.. could feel myself getting excited along with the progression of the story.
He probably did a lot of research.. and he's an expert so he should make more accurate guesses
Thank you. Interesting subject!
I would like to have heard in some detail what the hieroglyphs say in the end. Anything interesting revealed by the ancient text then?
Excellent ..well done
wow that was great. Nice work.
amazing! I worked with a lady who could read Cuneiform.....impressive!
They still may only have phonetic sounds for some things and symbolism for others. And like the Hebrew, originally each sound has its own meaning. They were put together to form words. But every symbol had its own meaning separately. As well as numerical value
better explained letters had a meaning. The sound of the letters is what I meant. So the sound b meant some thing and when put together with other letters it was a sentence more than it was a word. But we would look at it as a word
For example. “M” in Hebrew was both the number 40. But it meant mighty, water, chaos (like the deep), coming from water.
You had To know the context
A (aleph) was ox, leader, strength, Adonai (God) and the number 1
So for example MA may mean mighty God. And the number 41
In English each letter or sound does not represent a word. Their letters were like emojis. And put into a word they were like many emojis or a sentence.
@BurnBird better explained letters had a meaning. The sound of the letters is what I meant. So the sound b meant some thing and when put together with other letters it was a sentence more than it was a word. But we would look at it as a word
For example. “M” in Hebrew was both the number 40. But it meant mighty, water, chaos (like the deep), coming from water.
You had To know the context
A (aleph) was ox, leader, strength, Adonai (God) and the number 1
So for example MA may mean mighty God. And the number 41
In English each letter or sound does not represent a word. Their letters were like emojis. And put into a word they were like many emojis or a sentence.
But I appreciate the sarcasm. Made me chuckle.
Sounds having meanings... Such a novel concept.
Good story nicely told. Not often anybody has reason to feel gratitude towards Napoleon.
Really? Because everyone living in the modern world owes a LOT to Napoleon. For instance, if you like the notion of the law being actually written and codified, which is the basis for your rights, you have Napoleon to thank for the most part. Napoleon was an incredible ruler, and besides what people think, quite progressive, and many things we take for granted today where reforms he introduced, from civil law to canned food.
In the 9th century, an alchemist by the name of Abu Bakr ibn Wahshiyya managed to decipher about half of all Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols. Considering the fact that there are a total of about 700-800 symbols to be cracked, this was an achievement that deserves recognition. Ibn Wahshiyya’s contribution was first brought to light in 2004 by the London-based Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly, a professor at UCL’s Institute of Archeology. El Daly did extensive research on the study of ancient Egypt in medieval Arab-Islamic writing and convincingly argued that not only did Muslims express a deep interest in the study of ancient civilizations, but that they could also correctly decipher Egyptian hieroglyphic script. He hacked other cryptic alphabets as well - 93 of them, in fact, including alphabets used by the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenistic, and Hindu civilizations. He published his findings in a text titled Kitab Shawq al-Mustaham, in which he gave a list of hieroglyphic symbols, their meaning (either as sounds or words) and their Arabic equivalent. El Daly compared Ibn Wahshiyya’s conclusions on hieroglyphics with Egyptologists’ modern-day understanding of them and found them to be accurate. El Daly emphasized that, because of their prejudices about Islam, Western scholars have been unfair to classical Muslim Egyptologists. “Western culture misinterprets Islam because we [in the West] think teaching [of civilizations] before the Qur’an is shunned, which isn’t the case,” he said. “They valued history and assumed Egypt was a land of science and wisdom and as such they wanted to learn their language to have access to such vast knowledge.”
@Leonardo David 28 Thanks for your response which I enjoyed reading. You have encapsulated the debate - I was being deliberately provocative with my little remark. However a few thoughts: Britain effectively declared war on Hitler; did that make Britain the aggressor? Assessing a leader's merits by declarations of war for & against is frought with difficulty. Likewise the modernising argument. Henry V111's reign in many ways laid the foundations of modern Britain. Should the fact that it was driven by greed, vanity, jealousy, etc, be considered when assessing the man?
@Trailing Arm
He was declared war against 5 times. Only started two wars himself (lost both).
I am not French. Yet u r probably anglo-saxon (assumption).
Just ask urself, isn’t it a little weird that the one country that funded and started 5 wars against Napoleon is also the one where Napoleon is hated most?
In Russia and Spain too he has a bad reputation. However in Germany, Austria, Italy he has a pretty good reputation.
In Poland and France he is famously as a hero.
He did not start the wars. Proposed peace multiple times (and refused 2 peace offers himself), and 4 times did countries whom he had signed a peace treaty with breach their treaty with him.
Also he exported liberalism (which has taken over the world) across europe, influenced German and Italian nationalism, liberated many people aswel.
He never committed any acts of genocide as you suggest. Yes war is violent. Yes, he was brutal against Russian and Spaniard partisans, and at times against domestic French rebels.
However if compared to the behavior of most leaders in history, he was more on the merceful than violent side.
Weather he was a warmonger is still debated. Personally, I repeat, he was declared war upon 3-4 times, two coalition was declared against France before he came to power (for the fact that it’s people didn’t want their king…) and 2 wars he started himself.
@Trailing Arm Never said there was only british aggression, reread our convo; I only said there was MOSTLY british aggression because it's a fact. Spain and Portugal, then arguably Russia are the few exceptions, not the rule.
Always wondered about this!
The Rosetta Stone confirms that the "P" in "Ptolemy" is, in fact, pronounced.
Fainted he was so happy/excited/shocked. Someday I hope to be that happy.
Very interesting 👍🏼
I missed the part where after finding the sound of the glyphs, they translated the phonetics into a understandable language tho.
Coptic was the direct descendant of Ancient Egyptian, so they were just compared.
Ive always wondered about this!!! TY!
Even back in those times, the spin doctors were keeping busy... Thanks to the ancient Hittites keeping their own history, the battle of Kadesh wasn't the great victory proclaimed by the Egyptian stone writing...
Just like nowadays...😑
Love and appreciation of art is not in its private collection, private collector is 9nly suffering due to severe personality disorder related to possession. The more people see and understand it the better it is appreciated and Loved.
Have you taken into consider Wilson and Blackett's work?
Yes an immediate follow and thumbs up but I’m also very interested in the two guys at the end in armour ;)
fantastic.....wish it was longer heheheeh
If you take any pictures of Egyptian glyphs then edit the images exposure,brilliance,Shadow,black point, highlights and contrast they turn gold and makes it look like it originally looked when it was covered in gold.. Weird cause only the parts that had gold will turn gold..
I love how they call old religions, mythology
Best video on Egyptian language
The Verdict of Champollion, humanity’s greatest polyglot, on the Coptic Language:
Jean-François Champollion (1790 - 1832) deciphered the Egyptian hieroglyphs in 1822, and made it possible for modern Egyptology to emerge. He perhaps would not have been able to do that at all had he not studied Coptic first. There is one man, who is still largely enigmatic, who helped him to learn Coptic - Yuhanna Chiftichi, a Coptic priest who worked with the French during the French Campaign in Egypt (1798 - 1801), and left with the French, with many other Copts, to France when the French withdrew.[1] In France, he became priest at the church of Saint-Roch on Rue Saint-Honoré, in Paris. There, he assisted the Egyptian Commission in producing Description de l’Ėgypte; but, perhaps, his lasting service to civilisation was his assistance he gave to Champollion, who befriended him, to learn Coptic.
Champollion knew many European and Oriental languages, at least sixteen in total, including Latin, Greek, French, English, German, Arabic, Syriac, Chaldean (Aramaic), Sanskrit, Persian, and Chinese. When he became fluent in Coptic, he wrote in 1809:
I have thrown myself into Coptic, I want to know Egyptian as well as I know French, because my great work on the Egyptian papyrus [hieroglyphics] will be based on this language. . . . My Coptic is moving along, and I find in it the greatest joy, because you have to think: to speak the language of my dear Amenhotep, Seth, Ramses, Thuthmos, is no small thing. . . . As for Coptic, I do nothing else. I dream in Coptic. I do nothing but that, I dream only in Coptic, in Egyptian. . . . I am so Coptic, that for fun, I translate into Coptic everything that comes into my head. I speak Coptic all alone to myself (since no one else can understand me). This is the real way for me to put my pure Egyptian into my head. . . . In my view, Coptic is the most perfect, most rational language known.[2]
“Coptic is the most perfect and the most rational language known.”
This is the verdict of Champollion on the Coptic language. Those who know Coptic would tend to agree with him. And the Copts must know this, and be sure of the many beauties of their language.
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[1] For more on Yuhanna Chiftichi, see: Chiftichi, Yuhanna (CE:519a-520b) by Anouar Louca in Coptic Encyclopedia, ed. Aziz Suryal Atiya (New York, Macmillan, 1991).
[2] Muriel Mirak Weissbach, Jean François Champollion And the True Story of Egypt in 21st Century Science & Technology magazine, Winter 1999-2000, 12 (4), 26-39, p. 32. See also, Andrew Robinson, Cracking the Egyptian Code, The Revolutionary Life of Jean-Francois Champollion (London, Thames & Hudson, 2012), p. 61.
:) In the 9th century, an alchemist by the name of Abu Bakr ibn Wahshiyya managed to decipher about half of all Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols. Considering the fact that there are a total of about 700-800 symbols to be cracked, this was an achievement that deserves recognition. Ibn Wahshiyya’s contribution was first brought to light in 2004 by the London-based Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly, a professor at UCL’s Institute of Archeology. El Daly did extensive research on the study of ancient Egypt in medieval Arab-Islamic writing and convincingly argued that not only did Muslims express a deep interest in the study of ancient civilizations, but that they could also correctly decipher Egyptian hieroglyphic script. He hacked other cryptic alphabets as well - 93 of them, in fact, including alphabets used by the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenistic, and Hindu civilizations. He published his findings in a text titled Kitab Shawq al-Mustaham, in which he gave a list of hieroglyphic symbols, their meaning (either as sounds or words) and their Arabic equivalent. El Daly compared Ibn Wahshiyya’s conclusions on hieroglyphics with Egyptologists’ modern-day understanding of them and found them to be accurate. El Daly emphasized that, because of their prejudices about Islam, Western scholars have been unfair to classical Muslim Egyptologists. “Western culture misinterprets Islam because we [in the West] think teaching [of civilizations] before the Qur’an is shunned, which isn’t the case,” he said. “They valued history and assumed Egypt was a land of science and wisdom and as such they wanted to learn their language to have access to such vast knowledge.”
Very interesting Dr
Someday some future more advanced civilization will have these same debates over the letters we are writing now
6:52 + - wisdom turned by had together gives a power to be boxed and used for rotation motion ( drill ) or signal power
It's upsetting that people just think so narrow minded and don't see the bigger picture these artifacts are about today because of what they did and countries are getting there history back instead of it being lost for ever
How about translations of obelisques: their purpose and attribution
7:37 rotation / two metals / poles ( royals ) /.
Rotation of spinning copper rod surrounded by magnetic iron curved rod travels between poles
( royals signal each other)
No doubt perfect channel in information congratulation
Je tiens l'affaire.
The bench by the river Thames in London i use it all the time i love the place 👍
I fully agree with Eric Lewis: this WOULD make an amazing movie; but they’re coming out with a new blockbuster film on ‘The Kardashians’ instead (it’s rumoured that Beyoncé might make a cameo appearance as Cleopatra and Oprah as Hatshepsut; Kanye himself will appear as Champollion opposite Kim’s Young). Produced and directed by Kris Jenner (a.k.a. Set/Satan).
Greece Undiscovered - Capital choice.
Alexander the Great will be played by Ice Cube
"Khartoush" is an arabic word meaning bullets (gun powder shells)
Awesome💛💙
Very good video, thanks
Glad you liked it!
"In the 9th century, an alchemist by the name of Abu Bakr ibn Wahshiyya managed to decipher about half of all Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols. Considering the fact that there are a total of about 700-800 symbols to be cracked, this was an achievement that deserves recognition. Ibn Wahshiyya’s contribution was first brought to light in 2004 by the London-based Egyptologist Dr. Okasha El Daly, a professor at UCL’s Institute of Archeology. El Daly did extensive research on the study of ancient Egypt in medieval Arab-Islamic writing and convincingly argued that not only did Muslims express a deep interest in the study of ancient civilizations, but that they could also correctly decipher Egyptian hieroglyphic script. He hacked other cryptic alphabets as well - 93 of them, in fact, including alphabets used by the ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenistic, and Hindu civilizations. He published his findings in a text titled Kitab Shawq al-Mustaham, in which he gave a list of hieroglyphic symbols, their meaning (either as sounds or words) and their Arabic equivalent. El Daly compared Ibn Wahshiyya’s conclusions on hieroglyphics with Egyptologists’ modern-day understanding of them and found them to be accurate. El Daly emphasized that, because of their prejudices about Islam, Western scholars have been unfair to classical Muslim Egyptologists. “Western culture misinterprets Islam because we [in the West] think teaching [of civilizations] before the Qur’an is shunned, which isn’t the case,” he said. “They valued history and assumed Egypt was a land of science and wisdom and as such they wanted to learn their language to have access to such vast knowledge.”"
@Dr. Banoub-U💵C Alum‘86,’90 Yes, i apologize, may Allah forgive me. Professor is a Muslim. Thank you for correcting me.
@Abu Amanah
Yeah, your so-called non Muslim professor , has no Islamic bias whatsoever:
El-Daly Lectures at Leeds on Muslim Heritage in Our Worldby Okasha El Daly Published on: 5th March 2009 The Leeds University Islamic Awareness Week organised by students, invited Dr. Okasha El Daly to deliver the opening lecture on Monday 16th February 2009 which took place at Rupert Beckett Theatre, University of Leeds.
@Abu Amanah
This was your reply to me:
“Abu Amanah • 2 hours ago
@Dr. Banoub : That's your opinions
but can we also allow the opinions of
the non Muslim professor at the UCL
also or that's not allowed?”
@Abu Amanah
Lol! You didn’t think I’d look up Dr. Okasha El Daly? You lied and claimed him to be a non Muslim. Allah, the Best Deceiver (Qur'an 3:54), so why not follow Allah?
Personally, I favour Ronny Barker's interpretation.
Superb thank you
There is another language in the hieroglyphs of pure science. It's written as a dimensional language.
And kind of they called king not pharaon but kind of farooh. But they could write it only closely - kind of pha ra onh. But it allways were pronounced as farooh. Same as to other words
When the AI computers really get good, they will be able to "look" at any ancient text or hieroglyphs and translate it.
That is when things get really interesting.
@BurnBird No thats the trick. Think of the AI follows a Rosetta Stone code and it can translate anything from and into hieroglyphs.
If it's something we have already translated, sure.
Overstating Young's input a little. He had a team working under him, while Champollion was practically solo for the majority of his research.
What they did to him on his return from Egypt is a crime for the ages.
You're in London, at lease pop 'round to the British Museum and get some B-Roll of the actual Rosetta Stone. You can't have been sitting more than five miles from it.
But what was so important that they felt it had to be communicated in at least three languages at the same time?
Remixing purposes. Just like the bible
It stated how great the king was, how much he donated to the temples, and what the priests were to do in return, along with promised tax reductions and the need for everlasting appreciation of the king by all.
Hieroglyphs were the Emojis of their time
Since childhood when I learned of the Rosetta Stone I have been fascinated and made frequent visits to the British Museum to see the replica and the genuine article. I have often amused myself that the whole thing was a cunning red herring made to confuse future generations.
I’ve hypothesised that every translation of hieroglyphs has been completely the opposite to that which we accept as a result.
Fascinating. Thanks to champeleon
Well maybe Champollion said “ I’ve found out how to do it.”
Why was the understanding of Egyptian Heiroglyphs lost in the first place? How was it lost? Thanks
Brilliant thanks