The hostile attitude of Wakandans towards colonizers ages poorly when you realize Wakanda was around during the colonial period and did nothing to stop it
@Daniel Leskov dude you are only speaking about NOW, people have always done slavery even back in egypts time in 2k+ BC (did you know that most of the workers who made the pyramids were respected indivuals of the egyptian people? ofc slaves were used as well but mostly respected workers that worked in 3 month shifts that ate meat and were given alcohols and food as their reward, they even got the honor of being buried next to the pyramids in separate buildings)
it's even worse : that isolationism and xenophobia was what "made it great", not vibranium. If not for that isolationism, they and their vibranium deposits would have probably been exploited like rest of Africa. History of Wakanda proves building walls, strict immigration policy and segregation is good for prosperity of a country. And I'm pretty sure that is not the message Holywood wants to present nowadays :)
@Misael Estrada be actually even says that some people think they are Mayan they are race swapped Atalantians with inspiration from multiple cultures but mostly Aztec so calling them that makes most sense
You know what's funny? T'Challa had a brother. His name was Jakarra. He also had a steward who would rule in his stead when he was away. His name was N'Gassi. I notice both of these high profile male characters are conspicuously absent from the MCU's Wakanda.
To be fair, those characters haven't made an appearance by this point,to bring them in now with no previous knowledge feels...off. Then again we got Discount Michonne so-
I have a few friends who are originally from various parts of Africa, and they for the most part find Black America's view of what Africa is rather amusing.
@Alpha 00 Americans seem to have the same problem with Europe. I have yet to meet an American that is able to comprehend it is not one massive continent similar to each other, that we in fact are a bunch of vastly different countries with our own histories, cultures and traditions. I don't think many Americans are able to comprehend that just because America is homogeneous to a degree, doesn't meant the rest of the world is.
Grew up with a buddy named Cyrus, he’s from Kenya. He said to me once “I don’t understand why they call themselves African american. They don’t know anything of Africa or how good they have it here” for perspective he was a child solider. There’s deep sadness behind this mans eyes.
@mejuliie Regarding "American" not bring enough - we do it because there is no longer any distinct American identity, especially after the mass immigration waves over the past century. The fact that the term WASP exists is evidence - up until recently, that was just the average American. Now "American" is shorthand for.... absolutely nothing. If I tell you I'm American, that tells you nothing about my culture, beliefs, ethnicity, or any of the other things that people define themselves by. You get some level of regional identity, especially here in the South, but these days every non-negative reference to the South and Southerners as a distinct place and people is considered racist. This isn't to say "immigrants bad" - but I think it should be clear why "American" is deficient as an identity. I, blessedly, can fall back on "Southerner" (though I am also inordinately proud of my largely English pre-American heritage) but is it any wonder that Americans living in a country where they frequently have literally nothing in common with fellow Americans might want to ground themselves in something a little more concrete?
Man idk i feel they had a plan with wandavision and loki but then they started doing these random ass characters that have nothing to do with the multiverse. Wv and loki set up the multiverse war we are getting to falcon black widow ms marvel she hulk black panther thor all were missing key additions to this multiverse war its been since loki that we heard anything about kang and since multiverse of madness about multiple universe existing imo all those shows movies i listed shouldnt have been made to begin with they more fell flat for not being apart of the big picture. It would have worked if those solo films released alot sooner before the multiverse was introduced but they tried to do it after loki after we were aware alot of heros are coming this only raised our expectations with who we will see on screen which is bad when our expectations dont get met
@Hazman Taking just one Stone out of its timeline disrupts the flow of its respective element. That's what the Ancient One explained to Bruce. So if the Stones are "reduced to atoms" then why didn't the main timeline evaporate? What were the stakes when they were making their time travel heist? There was literally no rush and they had all the time they needed to get more Particles to make a safer and more efficient plan. Nebula was seconds away from beaming herself back to 2023 when Thanos showed up on Morag. Rhodie was already gone and Nat and Clint were on the Soul Stone planet. She knew Thanos was coming and she knew what he would find out if he captured her, and she had no reason no to assume Clint and Nat made it back already. WHY is the *van* the priority in the middle of the battle with Thanos? Thanos wants the gauntlet and if he gets it he's going to kill everyone. By trying to get it back to the van at that moment you're basically asking for him to take it from you. Defeat him, THEN put the Stones back. Captain Marvel can fly at lightspeed. If the Avengers *insist* on getting the gauntlet through the van while Thanos is fighting them over it, Carol can fly it to the Quantum Realm before anyone can blink.
@Hazman Why didn't the universe evaporate when Thanos destroyed the Infinity Stones? Why didn't the Avengers go back in time to collect more Pym Particles? Why didn't they go back in time to Wakanda at the point where Thanos had five of the Stones and the last one was in Vision's head? Why didn't Nebula beam herself back to 2023 when her ship was grabbed by Thanos? Why didn't the Avengers stop to consider what would happen if half the universe suddenly popped back into existence? Why did they fart around with getting the gauntlet back to the wormhole van right in the middle of battle? Why didn't Captain Marvel fly at lightspeed with the gauntlet?
@Silver Scorpio that is completely subjective and therefore does not reflect the actual quality of endgame. “It should’ve been this! It should’ve been that!” Are all hypothetical arguments. Endgame ain’t lazy. It’s not as perfect as infinity war but endgame is still a phenomenal conclusion and a mostly perfect movie for what it’s trying to accomplish. I don’t give a shit anyone has to say otherwise since what I usually see regarding complaints are absolute rubbish points and invalid arguments boosted by the ongoing trend to trash on how great the MCU was back then due to phase 4 onwards being a failure and mess.
This is why source material matters. The reason while the "goo" flower is not given to everyone in the comics is because only people with the bashengas bloodline can take it (everyone else dies). There are so many instances where the MCU skips or changes steps only to make Black Panther or Wakanda seem illogical. The writers failed so miserably its inexcusable.
@Jason Clark not sure you understand genetics, even if it wasnt a recursive gene theres no garauntee it exists outside of direct descendants of specifically matched bloodlines, like breeding a Bengal cat.
One of the biggest disappointments for me from Phase 4 was WandaVision. It started out quite well, and clearly there was a lot of creativity and thought that went into it. The various eras of sitcoms that they recreated were spot on from an acting style, set, and costuming point of view, as well as Olsen and Bettany clearly being competent actors working excellently with the various styles at play. For me it all fell apart the minute it was established that Wanda was consciously doing everything that she was, and that it was not a psychotic break from reality. Couple that with the absurd notion of selling what she did as some sort of sympathetic act and sacrifice was patently absurd. If they had gone with her having a psychological breakdown, and having to be brought to terms with what she was doing to snap out of it, they would have been miles ahead of the ditch they ended up in.
WandaVision broke my heart .. it inspired me to bring LOTS of 'high brow' folks into that universe, as Game of Thrones did for Fantasy .. but left me embarrassed .. a hit to my credibility .. how could something fall that fast - a bait and switch. It was the reason I subscribed the Disney Plus and part of the reason I unsubscribed.
@Chirp!No Way Home is fine but it's not because of the MCU bits. Iron Boy and his quirky squad are as annoying as ever and Doctor Strange seems to have swallowed the idiot ball.
@The Little Platoon I'm a bit the opposite. To me, TF&WS, as much as I think they botched it, I could still at least respect the ambition. Their failure of imagination was, well, "You tried to do a thing, and it didn't work." She Hulk, was a simple premise. It was a show in a long established genre (legal comedy) with a automatically interesting gimmick (superheroes), it should have been an easy win. And they still managed to fuck it up. I can respect someone who tries but ends up screwing up a gourmet meal, She Hulk's team screwed up a bowl of cereal.
I still love how much of a clusterfuck the final fight is: -Shuri decides the final fight will be in the enemy's preferred terrain -Shuri decides not to arm her soldiers to move or breathe underwater should they fall from their ship without guard rails -Shuri decides not to arm her soldiers to deal with the VERY WELL ESTABLISHED healing factor of the fishpeople, basically rendering her army useless -Shuri's ship has no guard rails protecting people from falling into the ocean -Shuri makes an actual good plan to try to make Namor bring a small contingency to go investigate a supposed second radar so she has the numbers advantage, Namor however is incredibly paranoid and brings HIS ENTIRE GARRISSON, therefore putting the wakandans at total and complete disadvantage -The Dora Milaje jumps off ropes being held by other able warriors instead of pulleys or machines, making them incapable of engaging in combat during the combat -The Wakandan surprise ship only has one weapon underwater to deal with the enemy that acts primarily underwater -The fishpeople apparently brought 10 thousand waterbombs to what they though was just a random radar It's just all so absolutely stupid
They’re genuinely portraying us as baboons in nice costumes.. i’m an african and you’re spot on, they’re doing the opposite of what they say they want to do.
@TollFree999 Last time I checked, the movie that heavily features Asgardian Military was Thor The Dark World, and their depiction of Asgardian soldiers using swords was one of its biggest criticism (among many others). Asgard was destroyed in Ragnarok so arguing past that is a moot point (New Asgard is no longer an advanced civilization and more like a refugee camp). Either way you spin it, depicting a supposedly advanced military using basic melee weapons as their primary was dumb (except if there was another factor, ex: The Force with Lightsaber, Mjolnir Thunder, etc). This isn't the case with the comic, Asgard uses various enchanted weapons for their soldiers (So each of them basically carries a weaker version of Mjolnir) not to mention that most of them are trained in magic. While Wakandan Military mainly consists of armored vehicles (Where Vibranium really shines), which makes them comparable to even Latveria. I don't see MCU Wakanda surviving a war with Real Life US Military, let alone Doom.
1:09:42 As a Nigerian, I cannot thank you enough for correctly pointing this out. Wakanda and the Black Panther movies and comics have become a disgusting joke and a platform for glorifying black supremacy and delusional revisionism. Also, the way you highlight how western society, especially the colonialists, did far more positives for humanity, is so true. My country (imperfect as it is) only exists thanks to them and slavery was abolished because the British found it reprehensibly evil and spent a lot of their own money and man-power to abolish it in the parts of Africa hey controlled; something no African tribe or kingdom would have ever done.
I’m American and you had me dying from laughter within the first 7 minutes. Between you mocking that awful Army ad to the James Cameron strategy, I almost couldn’t stop laughing as I was finishing my laundry. Well Done.
@Scion of Dorn "and occasionally, lovers." I'm so tired of hearing about that going on seemingly all the time. Maybe they really do need to bring back widespread segregation by sex in the armed forces.
Seeing that ad tickled me too, because I've received many cringey Marine recruiter messages and ads while in a community college, and no joke, the latest one was a caller approaching me with like an anime OC avatar, I guess as a "Fellow Kids" tactic. I had my fun, pretending to think it was a friend prank-texting me (I honestly wasn't sure at first), and this recruiter dead-ass called me "sus", because by their own admission, they thought it'd be more relatable to use gamer lingo.
@The Little Platoon Believe me (or not), I’m an American war veteran (despite my moniker), and I’m just nauseated by that pathetically pandering ad. We had gay people and people of just about every ethnicity in our unit and (despite certain boneheaded policies like “Don’t ask, don’t tell”) most of us had exactly zero issue with any of it. We were brothers and sisters (and occasionally, lovers) in arms, and that was it. No muss, no fuss. The exceptionally tiny minority of genuine bigots by and large kept their traps shut because the penalties for demonstrable bigotry were, in a word, incendiary. And it, as it happened, was also a good way to quickly find yourself a pariah in your own unit. We didn’t need diversity and acceptance cartoons to know the score. All it took was some regulations, the UCMJ, and an absolute bare minimum of common sense not to be an asshole to your fellow soldiers.
Yeah, I miss the cold calculate that would do anything and kill anyone to achieve his vengeance... In his movie he is more of a scary little boy and not a warrior King...
It absolutely was. He was pretty awesome there and had a pretty good and full character arc. He and his nation are kind of an embarrassment everywhere else in the MCU.
Weirdly, they call Namor a god, and act like he is so super powerful, but Thor actually is a god, and they KNOW he is powerful. Namor should have been laughed off the land and given the Davy Jones, "fuck off and don't let me see you for 10 years" treatment.
But Namor is Mexican, unlike Thor who is white, so there is no need to make Namor into a complete stupid joke of a character (but Marvel still does unwillingly and unknowingly because that's just how competent their writing is).
What I’m wondering is how Shuri and Iron Child didn’t die or get sick due to decompression sickness or pop due to water pressure at the BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN and how they’re just chilling outside the submarine made for ONE PERSON
@MG 76 It's far fetch because it took that tribe many generations to be able of doing it... Even some of the best free divers can't achieve their level. Besides that, I agree with you about Wakanda, such a shame that we doesn't see more of the plate.
They were not in Talocan when they were rescued they were in a cave 140 meters below sea level. You have native people diving to great depths without gear so that wasn't strange. If they were in Talocan (which was deeper into the sea) than yes I would agree, but besides all this the film didn't make any sense a lot of times... The movie is called Wakanda Forever but all we got to see about wakanda were some people on a market besides the river. I would've loved they showed more of Wakanda as a nation. Also in the end after the attack by Namor and his people Wakanda was damaged but managed not to have a scratch at the end of the movie. I was like wtf....I would've like to have seen a nation in rebuild mode.
I actually like M’baku he’s the only character left in black panther’s cast that I think is a strong character but there wasn’t enough time to make him really shine
The Ironman suit actually looked like it belonged in the scenes it was in. The CG was terrific. This transformers suit looks like a cartoon drawing on a green screen.
I just never understood why Namor, who didn't want to be found, mad about the vibranium detector, gives it to Wakanda so it can be back engineered and working again. On top of that I never understood why Namor and crew didn't look or try to look at/for any information on the ship as to who built the vibranium detector. They just let Wakanda handle it. Mad at Wakanda for letting people know about vibranium after BP, forgetting about Papa Stark and Captain America's shield
Because it’s a terrible movie and Namor is a terrible character. Some characters need to simply stay in comics. Some simply don’t translate to big screen.
@Darkstar Wakanda is based also on Ethiopia, it's even right next to it on maps. Both Lesotho and Ethiopia are landlocked countries that weren't colonised during the scramble for Africa.
M'Baku doesn't want to be Wakanda's leader anymore because he saw how long its leaders tend to live. Since they were introduced in Civil War the Wakandan's leaders have been: • T'Chaka (2016, killed by Zemo) • T'Challa (2018, presumably killed by Kilmonger) • Kilmonger (killed by T'Challa) • T'Challa (2018, killed by Thanos) • Unknown person during the blip (presumably killed by T'Challa so he can get the throne back) • T'Challa (2024, killed again this time by Covid) • Ramonda (killed by Freaky Fish Person) • Shuri That's 7 leadership changes in about 8 years. M'Baku staying away from the throne shows that he's the smartest person in Wakanda.
Those clips of Martin Freeman as Bilbo giving us the bird in various, creative ways every time you mention him make me not just blow air out of my nose, but actually giggle. Maybe the Hobbit trilogy was worth it just for those.
29:22 The idea of a community having the means to heal everyone but refusing to do so because they think they're above the rest of the world sounds like a perfect antagonistic society for a good hero to fight. Here, though, (assuming it ends up being the case), it's Wakanda doing it, and not only are they the good guys, they're the BEST guys.
@beautiful ugliness well because they criticize the world and humanity for being cruel and unsupportive while not doing anything to help anyone either, so they don't really practice what they preach.
@beautiful ugliness That question is also perfect. I can absolutely imagine a sociopathic villain asking that as they watch people die, knowing full well they could have prevented it. Amazing.
Reminds me of "the dora milaje have jurisdiction wherever the dora milaje find themselfs to be" and it's considered a cool, badass line. But change dora milaje to CIA/john walker and suddenly.... They have such a hate boner over things past while doing same or similar in the present. Its like the writers(and those that think like them) don't actually hold on the principles they espouse, they just have a problem with who is abusing their power not that they are abusing it.
@Sgt Roach Ok fine totally got me 100% virgin I suppose. Totally the condition of everyone who’s having a bit of a laugh at the expense of a billion dollar company that doesn’t QA their products. Detective of the year, you solved it.
On the point about the Aztecs. Strictly speaking, the Aztecs were the inhabitants of one city (Tenochtitlan), who called themselves Mexica. The name gets applied to the hegemony through which they and two other cities ruled central Mexico. By extension, it gets applied to all the peoples of the empire. Some of the peoples of the empire were culturally assimilated by Tenochtitlan and I think they also built colonies around their empire. It's similar to how "Roman" originally meant someone who was actually from the city of Rome but was slowly applied to a broader and broader group of people. All of that goes out the window if the merpeople came from the Yucatan, however. The Yucatan was very much Maya land. To be clear, I haven't watched the movie so i have no idea if the merpeople are supposed to be Aztec or Maya. The filmmakers probably don't know either. I'm just leaving this comment to be clear on what the difference is: the Aztecs were one member of the triple alliance ruling central Mexico in the 15th and early 16th centuries while the Maya were and still are a group of closely related cultures and languages inhabiting the Yucatan peninsula and the lowlands of northern Guatemala/eastern Mexico and Belize.
@Monikorasort you as well as I know that it was a bad joke written into the lore by Marvel so they could take a piss out of Namor and force him to kneel to Shuri in utter defeat because they written themselves in a corner and couldn't think of a logical way to end the fight.
@Mario Valenzuela II when you say it like that it sounds like the punchline to a bad joke a middle aged office worker tells that his coworkers think is “edgy”
@Monikorasort as someone if Mexican decent, I was hoping that Namor wouldn't go down like a chump to elevate Shuri and Iron Heart. But then they made him lose because his back dried out.
@Mario Valenzuela II yeah, as someone of Aztec descent i was really hoping that Mesoamerican culture wouldn’t get roped into whatever it is that Black Panther thinks it’s doing. Guess my hopes were too high
I also wondered why if they've been hidden from the world then why would they have "water grenades"...and living underwater how do these 'grenades' actually work or destroy any military vehicle!?
That's more so a lesson in physics. Physics are very complicated but if you can bring yourself to understand the major element of the earth and how they affected by Gravity and pressure, everything else falls into place much easier.
I can't say how much I appreciate this entire channel. It helps that I tend to agree with a lot that is said on this channel, but the community that has been created here is so different. I think that in this comment section, we can have respectful disagreements and actually discuss them as opposed to just yelling at each other. I wish that the people at the university I went to were half as respectful and thoughtful as the least respectful and thoughtful person in this community. Little Platoon, you've created something special
Thats because it's structured as an actual literary analysis. Not overtly cynical for clicks and not shilling for subpar content. He genuinely wants to provide a deep dive into why a film does or doesn't work and where these places are. How they come together or work against eachother. It's one of few channels, I've noticed, where the host actually has a deep interest in writing to properly discuss a film on its merits.
Phase 4 was full of so many bizarre story choices and characterizations that were bizarrely stereotypical one has to wonder if the phase was either a strange meta-trolling, or most of these stories were secretly written by David Duke under various nom de plume.
I do have one theory and its that Feige had zero plans past phase three so phase four was them just okaying every garbage rejected script that had somehow made it to his desk while he wrote the outlines for phase five only because he plans to do a mass reboot in Secret Wars so he didn't even care how the.phase four stories effected the world he built because its getting a huge reboot... but ya know in that alternate realities type way where they keep the stuff they like and act like all the pther crap never happened because it was in a different reality
I don't think it's possible to be so juvenile and historically ignorant on purpose. He'd probably dismiss some of the choices as so on the nose as to be a dead giveaway to the trolling.
I want to point out that Shuri's first act of super strength is greater than anything both Captain American and Chadwick's Black Panther ever managed to achieve.
25:30 “Ramonda’s dead now so Michonne will never get her redemption.” Same as when Avengers Endgame never gave us any resolution between Tony and Bucky. They killed off Tony just that so Bucky’s redemption was thrown out the window.
The good things about MCU Wakanda died with T'Challa. No racist moron in that reclusive country is and can ever be as virtuous as him. Well, maybe save for M'Baku. He's the only named character who's not emanating anti-white energy, if I remember correctly.
As someone who technically fits into the alphabet soup mafia, but wants nothing to do with the identity politics they peddle I am beyond happy I found your channel via Critical Drinker. Thank you for pointing out the nosedive in quality modern entertainment has taken.
As a fellow alphabet attack helicopter that refuses to have anything to do with the "community", I salute you. I will take solace in the fact that not everyone has completely lost their common sense just because a bunch of people with similar traits said so.
@Poke Me I’m not trying to use buzzwords, and I acknowledge that extremism on the left is a big problem. I also think extremism on the right is a big problem. Also, I HIGHLY value freedom of speech. Along with freedom of the press, religion, and everything else in the first amendment, it provides several key freedoms that work to make sure the government never becomes self-sustainingly corrupt and unaccountable. I recognize that banning people on social media is legal and not a suppression of free speech, but I still don’t like it.
@LEGO Verse I appreciate your opinion and being pretty congenial. However I have to bow out here. It appears to me you're biased against conservatives and I'm hearing a lot of the same buzz words here that I would hear from CNN or MSNBC. Progress at the cost of freedom isn't progress.
You know what the tribal dancing in Wakanda Forever reminded me of? All Night Long by Lionel Richie, with those "african lyrics" partway through the song that are actually just gibberish, and the dancers in the music video doing this stereotypical African hoppity hop while barefoot. At least the song was a bop. Can't say the same about Wokanda Whatever
The original 1994 Lion King lyrics were also based as fuck. Whilst I'm on the subject, when ran through a translator, you get phrases like: "Lion, king of all animals" "Fight" "Overthrow the tyrant" "Bring peace to your homeland" Which I am 1000% certain got whitewashed in the broadway adaptations.
Oh, for the love of… Well, there go my illusions that somebody had actually bothered to write African lyrics for that song that might have said something uplifting and light hearted. (facepalm) I really should have known better.
I'm briefly reminded of Disney's 1994 Lion King. Even back then the "African lyrics" was just straight Swahili. Edit: Zulu. I meant to say Zulu. I should know, I tested it by putting the lyrics back into google translate.
I just love the use of Martin Freeman doing the middle finger in the behind the scenes of The Hobbit every time you mention his character in Black Panther. It always puts a smile on my face.
Exactly it's like Feige had no plans so now hes letting all the morons do whatever the want in phase four while he spends his time devising his phase five plans... TBH I bet they just reboot the whole thing on secret wars then pick and choose to keep the few things people liked, like Shung-Chi...all the Wakanda stuff is dead without Chadwick and the guy from get out..not to mention they just killed Angela Bassett...thats three phenomenal proven actors gone and replaced by the terrible actress that plays RiRi Williams...with a reboot, especially a Kang reboot it forces them to focus on the fantastic four, who always crossed over with Spiderman BTW, and their corner of Marvel which can then give them an excuse to segway into the X-Men
How does Namor know about technology and know who created the device? They conveniently went where the bridge to get Riri also they travel underwater on whales by night(which is cold by night time), so why is both Shuri and Riri not dead by hypothermia?
So when you questioned the extinction of the Purple Power Flower, I took to google on whether plants can grow back after being burned. Here's what came up at the top: _It's hard to believe while surveying the aftermath of a wildfire, but plants can actually recover. Shoots can regrow from parts of the plant that are protected from the fire, such as buds buried beneath thick bark or below a layer of insulating soil._
I love the elegance in which you construct your critique. It’s so inspiring that it leads me to reflect on my own personal way of doing the same in my day to day life. I absolutely love listening to you. Thank you ❤️
It's even better cuz I didn't even notice it at first until halfway through and since he never calls attention to it, just slips it in without warning I always laugh.
I'm still baffled by the ludicrous choices Marvel made in stage 4. They had a blueprint for success with what had come before: a dangerous allover villain building up to a big confrontation, with pieces of each movie featuring a bit of the puzzle. Instead we got disjointed stand alone films which sidelined the titular heroes, relegating them to second fiddles in their own films. Tonally they're a mess, with no logic. This phase has sucked big time, but it didn't have to.
@Tantalizing FGC Yep, they somehow thought casting a Mexican man, to play a supposed Aztec/Mayan was "pRoGrEsSiVe!!!111!!!!11", when all three are different peoples all together. Funny, that. Ah well, the real tragedy here is that we waited this long to see how the MCU would handle Namor, and now we're never gonna see him. We're stuck with Kukulkan.
They could've, but it's already pretty fucking stupid to decide to crown a character as your next main villian, that you don't own most of the copyrights to 😅 the added pseudo-inclusion/ -profundity to the name "Namor" (el niño siN AMOR) is just the icing on the cake
I JUST realized why this set of videos had a ringtone in the background. I thought it was a mistake, but I can see how it was absolutely intended and why that is is hilarious 😂
they marketed Namor as an anti-hero. No! He's a straight up villain in this movie, everything he does is what a villain would do, nothing he does could be remotely consider "for a good reason", invade the world to protect his people? that's what killmonger did, and he is a villain for trying that!
Yes! Black Panther is the only phase 1-3 MCU film that I only watched once and made the conscious decision not to watch again. I liked it as a better-than-average sci-fi action film, but it was unbearable to "just know" that somewhere in the world, there were people who cheered at the spiteful, venomous and regressive statements made throughout the film. It was refreshing to see an MCU villain with their own (evil) goals, who was interesting enough to make me think (about how NOT to think about the world). However, in the back of my mind, it was hard to ignore the subliminal messaging intended to make people rationalize or even agree with Killmonger and all the other garbage being re-presented as brand new insight.
What would've elevated this movie would be a scene in which Namor approaches Queen Ramonda Velaryon (First of her Name) and says "You cannot say Namor(rrrr) without Amor(rrrr)" and plays castanets to emphasize the point.
This is why in the evil Overlord list, you are supposed to get a general that is a five-year-old. Because if they can point out the errors in your plan you really need to rework it
The Witch Queen Savathûn, in Destiny, has a rule that her High Coven have to explain their plots to one of their children (her species' children hatch as four-foot tall berserkers with claws), and if the child can understand it, they need to rework it.
Why isn't Michone (I have no idea how to spell it) the new Black Panther? She is established over two movies as an incredibly bad ass fighter already, one who has already proven she'd be a very effective protector. The first movie made it clear that Black Panther and King/Queen are two separate roles, so make her the defender of Wakanda; it's more believable and she's earned it, and it'd fit as some sort of redemption for her earlier "failure" to take on that mantle.
Because it's never said in the movies but only people of a certain bloodline can drink the purple flower and not die. Also I guarantee you this was not the reason she wasn't black panther and the writers did not even consider this. They basically went into this movie with "how can we make Shuri Black Panther, and also introduce mutants and make it make sense?"
my question is: if he was gonna nuke the world, wouldn't that affect the landscape, poison nature in the process and has a good chance of affecting the marine lives as well? Namor did not think that through.
the problem with 'phases' is that at this point what does it even mean anymore, ever since avengers endgame it's just been one long never-ending stream of content
The destruction of Wakanda’s Super Power Flower never made any sense. It allows for an easy explanation for certain peoples super feats and limiting its use makes sense because you don’t want super powered psychos. Then this movie makes it worse by making it a cure-all. *sigh*
For whatever reason I had high hopes for this film, the villain and his motivations really let this down i feel. I think they were going for Namor being an opportunist who changes his plans depending on the situation (like his character in the comics) but I think they couldn’t execute that because they didn’t give him a strong enough goal in the first place so we understand his ultimate motivations when he changes his plans.
The thing I liked about Kate Bishop is that she fucked up repeatedly and her fucked up's had consequences and Even when she succeeded early on it was entirely a fluke, They made a point of emphasizing certain things, Like how the pipe broke which caused her to fall on an enemy. It's actually one of the few MCU shows I like.
@Thomasmemoryscentral It's the fact that they have more eyes on those popular characters that makes them ripe for ruining. It's like how the new Star Wars show massively screwed up, except for the one that barely has any established/popular characters (Andor).
Figures Hawkeye show and the one avenger they don't do much with comes out unscathed. Yet they can't do better with the more popular heroes in phase 4?
You know, the first film established that Vibranium does not like sonics, Bilbo was made aware of that and it was how Erik died. Couldn't the US military have potentially annihilated their defenses with sound based riot control cannons?
Wait. In the movies, vibranium is described as "vibration-proof." So how the hell would sonic stabilizers even work? Ah fuck it, it's never even been explained how anyone even shapes that shit, it's nonsense.
@silverprimus321 boi No, no, in the scene Ross correctly identifies the trains as maglev, but is blown away by the efficiency. And when he asks about the "light panels" along the sides that move as the trains pass, Shuri's line is: _"Sonic stabilizers... In its raw form, Vibranium is too dangerous to be transported at those speeds. I developed them to temporarily deactivate it."_
I thought it was electromagnets. I figured that in order to make vibranium moldable, you have to make an electromagnet with raw vibranium, which can then allow the metal to soften and mold into whatever you want it to be.
Every time I buy some thing it comes with a little white packet that says “desiccant do not eat”. If you poured a bunch of that crap over Namor he would dry out instantly. I act like I don’t know what it is but it is diatomaceous earth and it is quite easy to come by. It is incredibly effective and it would pretty much turn anyone into a dry husk.
“Augh! The silica gel packet from a bag of beef jerky, my one weakness! Who ever thought a little girl could desiccate a flying fish man like me? I’m melting, melllltiiing… oh, what a world, what a world…..”
I agree with you, but the one thing that aggravates me that the writer or the director didn't realize. Was that in the first movie the Spears? They have shoot concussion blast out of it just like the iron Man suit, throughout the movie they didn't once used those weapons like they never existed to begin with.
I just felt it was unnecessary for The queen to die, especially since there were poles for her to lift herself up. Also the Queen Just standing there.. awful
As intellectually challenging, complex, and fulfilling as your works always are, I found that one thing in particular in this episode stood out. It must, therefore, be mentioned, and appropriately lauded. I am a YUGE fan of the Venture Brothers. The subtle musical background tone of "Sphinx!!" every time the secret organization's name was ever mentioned never failed to amuse me. In addition, though American, I lived in Germany from 1987 until 2002. This means that I was, indeed, the proud owner of several Nokia phones in the late 90s. Your relentless playing of the ringtone during the entirety of this 6 hour episode was entirely warranted. Well done, sir .. Well done.
Yeah but we don’t get to hang out and drink port and go to movies together and laugh our asses off. And debate philosophy by the fireplace until the wee hours of the night.
1:06:38 - 1:07:35 Genuinely, thank you for including such a well-worded look at this topic. Because far too many people I've come across JUST hate diversity because "must be some agenda ig", or JUST applaud diversity because doing anything else would make them look bad.
Given how the purple goo works as a superhuman dispenser. I'm shocked they haven't retconned captain americas super soldier syrum to have wakanda be somewhat involved, probably stolen goo. Fits well within the worldview, surprised they've yet to do that.
You are quickly becoming my favorite reviewer. You bring so much more to the table than just "woke is bad m'kay" like some others do, and it is. But you offer a much wider perspective and insight. I really enjoy your content.
Well worded, elegantly put, and you earned yourself a subscriber. Really made me think and wonder about other "representation" in the media. Divisionary attitudes that only make relations between different people more hostile seem to be all too present in modern media.
I found the introduction of Namor nice and can see the actor in further movies, but they shouldn't connect it to Vibranium because that makes the properties of it more confusing. And you are right about his motivations: he doesn't know what he wants.
I'm sorry I have to add one more thing. If they stayed with the comic book slightly, they could have explain that the first king of that tribe that found the plant that gives the black panther strength. When he consumed it nearly killed them and the only reason why I survived he might have been a mutant could be used for future purposes or inhuman could be used to future purposes. And that's why it can only be taken by his bloodline hence killmonger and then add it in when the first king tried to use it for his people. Those who volunteered instantly died excruciating painful deaths and he realized only his bloodline can handle it after his son ate the fruit trying to be like his dad.
I learned recently that sonar devices on large ships/subs are actually crazy powerful, as in they vaporizer the water immediately around the device and can turn swimmers to a bloody pulp if close enough. The whole merfolk army could've been deleted if they had just used their sonar lol
This video is so good that it deserves its own 1 hours+ review and commentary. The editing and wordplay make me laugh. Which thor love and thunder did not. Also, how did Disney manage to cock up multiverse so badly? It is the anakin Skywalker of the mcu. It had the potential to be the most mind bending, fantastic, and possibly even emotional since infinity war and endgame. But Disney be like "nah. Americah Chavez my guy." Putting story telling, fun and escapism in the back seat in favor of....... THE MESSAGE 🌈 ✊🏿 The very premise that made up children mattered more to wanda than vision (which now exists reincarnated) is preposterous and stupid. Like "i had a dream i had kids so derp, im gonna brainwash an entire town, then try to something a little girl, but really imaoff mahself. Stfu show. It should have dived deep into the psyches of wanda and strange as wanda lost her grip on reality. Forcing them to explore each other's minds in the multiverse, the crushing weight of unfathomable power and limitless sight of possibility, and the strain it has taken on them both. But ill just leave writing to the pubescent activists at Disney .
I don't think I would normally praise the Hawkeye series that much, but it was unironically the best/least damaging thing in Phase 4 and Kate Bishop's characterization is downright masterful, as compared to every other new major character introduced in Phase 4. Not to say that it is actually masterful, but as a comparison... yes. Hell, I'd even say that the flashback showing her in 2012 is the strongest and strongest presented backstory of all of Phase 4.
Hello again Platoon. I wont lie, the first teaser for this movie actually got me hyped. So sad to see it was the same as the other phase 4 movies. Lets hope they sort things out in phase 5.
@Suzy Girl Tony Stark is not the lord and savior of the MCU. Robert Downey Jr. is the lord and savior of the MCU. Whatever you think of TS/IM, there is no question that the MCU would’ve had anything close to the success it did without RDJ. He brought in the normies. I agree Shuri had a bit of an arc in this one, with her failure to save her brother. It was nothing like the extended arcs that Tony or Thor or even T’Challa went through. (Heck, it was less than what Killmonger went through.) AFAIK, it’s the first time she’s been less than 100% perfect despite being in… what? Three movies? I probably don’t have to tell you she’s not my favorite character, but you’re right: she’s not She-Hulk. Huzzah.
@wyssmaster Given the number of reboots of every other character that seems like a garbage excuse. The existence of the George Clooney Batman which is pretty universally panned didn’t prevent the Nolan Batman from getting made. It’s been 11 years that’s plenty of time. Plus now that they cast Aldis Hodge as Hawkman they can’t have him as Green Lantern. Although I suppose since they seem to be nuking the Snyderverse and everything associated with it maybe they can still use him.
@JeritheOkapi Right? Honestly, the animated universe is just so much better, I almost don't bother with the live-action DCEU. (But I still do. I'm not proud of it.)
@dhauck57 I frickin love John Stewart and have no idea why we have had the JSA in a major movie before John Stewart as Green Lantern. Honestly it’s crazy to me we got a Shazam movie first.
I didn't look for any deeper messages beyond the "It's a shame we lost Chadwick". I really enjoyed it for the spectacle and the Namor who was Mayan was incredible, as were their costumes. Don't often get to see Mayan 'hero's' so that was really cool
Hey so I'm new to your channel and I've listened to the advice you gave during your review of Rings of Power and I'm actually going to try my hand at writing a novel series I have no idea if it will be any good or succeed but I agree, let's tell our own stories rather than wait for Hollywood to stop crapping out terrible movies Love your content and I look forward to new videos P.S. Would you consider reviewing John Wick?
Definitely have a go! Honestly, the most important advice is “finish it”. “F- it” are the two most useful words in the English language. I know plenty of very talented people who write 5 brilliant pages, get stuck, and abandon it. Ultimately, a finished book could be terrible - and still be better than that brilliant 5 pages. You learn persistence, you formulate, you develop styles and ideas; it may be that you reach the end and hate it, but your next one will be better, and your ideas can be repurposed.
God dammit. I know that's a real US Army commercial. It is so damn embarrassing knowing the army I gave 6 of my best years to is such an utter shit show
I'm a 19 year old American female, they advertise to me constantly wit things like KZclip challenges and I shit you not shit like "join the U.S army! It's like a real life video game!" It's tone deaf and gross
I'm a person who grew up on comic books. I drank the MCU Kool-Aid and saw every single film they put out. That was, up until phase 4. I even watched the Disney+ shows... well, at first. So far, I haven't seen: Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, She Hulk, The Eternals, Thor: Love and Thunder, Black Panther 2... I'm losing interest, as I suspect a lot of other people are as well.
I found your Channel back few months ago, subbed but only now i started consuming a lot of your long form content. I have to say you know your stuff, not just the source materials and not just in regards to Marvel of course, but just genuine knowledge about writing, about how people read into these things. The sentiments are consistent across franchises, i can draw a line from your ROP, Star wars, Marvel videos and it's still consistent. I really liked one such sentiment in one of your ROP video is that LOTR was Universal, Narrative, the characters, their struggles, desires, achievements and heroism awoke emotions universal among us, something that we can share among the many distinctive but often oppositional views and beliefs, despite all these there is a way to not generalize yet still be Universal on a rudimentary level and have that shared experience across communities. While ROP is localizing its characters, it's narrative while pretending to be bigger in scope then LOTR on the "social" front. Ultimately, separating it's viewers That sentiment is transferable, a American company, with American Actors and Writers creating a story set in Africa, doing the stereotypes of WHAT THEY think Africa is, then injecting the corrupted spirit of modern America. Because They surely know it better then the Local people. The endeavor itself is set to fail, the idea of Wakanda is localized either way, you either Fail to impress the Africans wich they did but when did covering your ears and blame shifting didn't help ? Or you fail to impress your Americans on delivering the premise of portraying a Fictional place set in Africa, even tho.. That Portrayal is dictated by the minds of Americans, of what they think Africa must be like, they must be like them, African Americans, after all Americans are just American Africans.. Wait what ? not gonna lie, the more i think about it the more sickening it is. I just wanna say if you read this, i appreciate your work.
It’s almost scary. Hollywood is making things worse for people like me, not better. I, and people like me, just want to be left alone to live our lives, yet the people making films and TV actively thrust us into the spot light, usually in a threatening way. Shouting and forcing your opinion upon others never convinces people to your point of view. If you want to make a character like me then do so, but don’t turn another favorite character that has earned their love from the audience into me, and worse, get angry when its not well received. Characters have to be well written and earn their place in history, nothing is free.
I'm disappointed that you didn't mention 2 things I expected you to. 1st, When Shuri and Riri were captive in Namor's cave thing whatever, I couldn't stop laughing that one of the guards was a distractingly obese woman like why would that be the guard and I thought they were supposed to be the strongest army 2nd. After the flying microwave crashed onto the beach there's a good few minutes of Namor flying around the beach over Shuri's head and punching her, why tf didn't he just immediately fly into the ocean that was just a few feet away BEFORE flying around and punching Shuri it makes absolutely no sense
One question I have is how the Atlanteans handled the situation where half their population were suddenly erased from existence and said half suddenly reappearing 5 years later. Like I'm sure that they would be very interested as to what the hell happened and why, especially Namor. This is one thing about the MCU's future phases. As long as these movies and TV shows remain connected to the same universe as the first 3 phases, Thanos' universe culling snap along with previous major events will keep coming back to well "haunt" these future projects especially when they introduce new factions that have apparently been around for centuries or longer.
The hostile attitude of Wakandans towards colonizers ages poorly when you realize Wakanda was around during the colonial period and did nothing to stop it
That was the point of the first movie
You are not supposed to think about it
@Daniel Leskov dude you are only speaking about NOW, people have always done slavery even back in egypts time in 2k+ BC
(did you know that most of the workers who made the pyramids were respected indivuals of the egyptian people? ofc slaves were used as well but mostly respected workers that worked in 3 month shifts that ate meat and were given alcohols and food as their reward, they even got the honor of being buried next to the pyramids in separate buildings)
it's even worse : that isolationism and xenophobia was what "made it great", not vibranium. If not for that isolationism, they and their vibranium deposits would have probably been exploited like rest of Africa. History of Wakanda proves building walls, strict immigration policy and segregation is good for prosperity of a country. And I'm pretty sure that is not the message Holywood wants to present nowadays :)
Also when you consider that they aren't really "colonizers" anyway, since most of those died a while back
As a professor of anthropology with an extreme fascination with the appearance of Aztec culture I'm embarrassed by all the people calling it peaceful.
The Aztecs were peaceful! The cut out hearts for their god of peace! Or the sun, I kinda forgot...
@Dewane Welch cause they didn’t want to compete with aquaman
@Misael Estrada be actually even says that some people think they are Mayan they are race swapped Atalantians with inspiration from multiple cultures but mostly Aztec so calling them that makes most sense
@Misael Estrada what ????
Very peaceful heart removal on mountain tops
You know what's funny? T'Challa had a brother. His name was Jakarra.
He also had a steward who would rule in his stead when he was away. His name was N'Gassi.
I notice both of these high profile male characters are conspicuously absent from the MCU's Wakanda.
@Ab-•gail White Wolf, White Tiger is a different albeit a similar character design and move set.
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To be fair, those characters haven't made an appearance by this point,to bring them in now with no previous knowledge feels...off.
Then again we got Discount Michonne so-
“Just consume product. Don’t ask questions”.
I have a few friends who are originally from various parts of Africa, and they for the most part find Black America's view of what Africa is rather amusing.
@Darkstar brown skin
@Estela Angeles Africa is the cradle of mankind. It is where we evolved and came from. You may not like it, but that is reality.
@Alpha 00 Americans seem to have the same problem with Europe. I have yet to meet an American that is able to comprehend it is not one massive continent similar to each other, that we in fact are a bunch of vastly different countries with our own histories, cultures and traditions.
I don't think many Americans are able to comprehend that just because America is homogeneous to a degree, doesn't meant the rest of the world is.
Grew up with a buddy named Cyrus, he’s from Kenya. He said to me once “I don’t understand why they call themselves African american. They don’t know anything of Africa or how good they have it here” for perspective he was a child solider. There’s deep sadness behind this mans eyes.
@Mizu It literally has everything to do with it...
@mejuliie Regarding "American" not bring enough - we do it because there is no longer any distinct American identity, especially after the mass immigration waves over the past century. The fact that the term WASP exists is evidence - up until recently, that was just the average American. Now "American" is shorthand for.... absolutely nothing. If I tell you I'm American, that tells you nothing about my culture, beliefs, ethnicity, or any of the other things that people define themselves by.
You get some level of regional identity, especially here in the South, but these days every non-negative reference to the South and Southerners as a distinct place and people is considered racist.
This isn't to say "immigrants bad" - but I think it should be clear why "American" is deficient as an identity. I, blessedly, can fall back on "Southerner" (though I am also inordinately proud of my largely English pre-American heritage) but is it any wonder that Americans living in a country where they frequently have literally nothing in common with fellow Americans might want to ground themselves in something a little more concrete?
@Jason Clark another nonsense.
Phase 4 was proof that there was absolutely no plan for the MCU after Endgame
Man idk i feel they had a plan with wandavision and loki but then they started doing these random ass characters that have nothing to do with the multiverse. Wv and loki set up the multiverse war we are getting to falcon black widow ms marvel she hulk black panther thor all were missing key additions to this multiverse war its been since loki that we heard anything about kang and since multiverse of madness about multiple universe existing imo all those shows movies i listed shouldnt have been made to begin with they more fell flat for not being apart of the big picture. It would have worked if those solo films released alot sooner before the multiverse was introduced but they tried to do it after loki after we were aware alot of heros are coming this only raised our expectations with who we will see on screen which is bad when our expectations dont get met
@Hazman Taking just one Stone out of its timeline disrupts the flow of its respective element. That's what the Ancient One explained to Bruce. So if the Stones are "reduced to atoms" then why didn't the main timeline evaporate?
What were the stakes when they were making their time travel heist? There was literally no rush and they had all the time they needed to get more Particles to make a safer and more efficient plan.
Nebula was seconds away from beaming herself back to 2023 when Thanos showed up on Morag. Rhodie was already gone and Nat and Clint were on the Soul Stone planet. She knew Thanos was coming and she knew what he would find out if he captured her, and she had no reason no to assume Clint and Nat made it back already.
WHY is the *van* the priority in the middle of the battle with Thanos? Thanos wants the gauntlet and if he gets it he's going to kill everyone. By trying to get it back to the van at that moment you're basically asking for him to take it from you. Defeat him, THEN put the Stones back.
Captain Marvel can fly at lightspeed. If the Avengers *insist* on getting the gauntlet through the van while Thanos is fighting them over it, Carol can fly it to the Quantum Realm before anyone can blink.
@Hazman Why didn't the universe evaporate when Thanos destroyed the Infinity Stones?
Why didn't the Avengers go back in time to collect more Pym Particles?
Why didn't they go back in time to Wakanda at the point where Thanos had five of the Stones and the last one was in Vision's head?
Why didn't Nebula beam herself back to 2023 when her ship was grabbed by Thanos?
Why didn't the Avengers stop to consider what would happen if half the universe suddenly popped back into existence?
Why did they fart around with getting the gauntlet back to the wormhole van right in the middle of battle?
Why didn't Captain Marvel fly at lightspeed with the gauntlet?
@Silver Scorpio that is completely subjective and therefore does not reflect the actual quality of endgame. “It should’ve been this! It should’ve been that!” Are all hypothetical arguments. Endgame ain’t lazy.
It’s not as perfect as infinity war but endgame is still a phenomenal conclusion and a mostly perfect movie for what it’s trying to accomplish. I don’t give a shit anyone has to say otherwise since what I usually see regarding complaints are absolute rubbish points and invalid arguments boosted by the ongoing trend to trash on how great the MCU was back then due to phase 4 onwards being a failure and mess.
This is why source material matters. The reason while the "goo" flower is not given to everyone in the comics is because only people with the bashengas bloodline can take it (everyone else dies). There are so many instances where the MCU skips or changes steps only to make Black Panther or Wakanda seem illogical. The writers failed so miserably its inexcusable.
@Jason Rhodes Every time I hear that name, I keep hearing that line from The Prince of Persia movie
"Have I ever told you about the Umbacca?"
@yawakoben
I thought that it also had to do with Bast?
@Dustin Maxwell facts.
@Jason Clark not sure you understand genetics, even if it wasnt a recursive gene theres no garauntee it exists outside of direct descendants of specifically matched bloodlines, like breeding a Bengal cat.
One of the biggest disappointments for me from Phase 4 was WandaVision.
It started out quite well, and clearly there was a lot of creativity and thought that went into it. The various eras of sitcoms that they recreated were spot on from an acting style, set, and costuming point of view, as well as Olsen and Bettany clearly being competent actors working excellently with the various styles at play.
For me it all fell apart the minute it was established that Wanda was consciously doing everything that she was, and that it was not a psychotic break from reality. Couple that with the absurd notion of selling what she did as some sort of sympathetic act and sacrifice was patently absurd.
If they had gone with her having a psychological breakdown, and having to be brought to terms with what she was doing to snap out of it, they would have been miles ahead of the ditch they ended up in.
*THANK YOU.*
WandaVision broke my heart .. it inspired me to bring LOTS of 'high brow' folks into that universe, as Game of Thrones did for Fantasy .. but left me embarrassed .. a hit to my credibility .. how could something fall that fast - a bait and switch. It was the reason I subscribed the Disney Plus and part of the reason I unsubscribed.
@Chirp!No Way Home is fine but it's not because of the MCU bits. Iron Boy and his quirky squad are as annoying as ever and Doctor Strange seems to have swallowed the idiot ball.
@The Little Platoon the she hulk show absolutely squandered a great character from the comics.
@The Little Platoon I'm a bit the opposite. To me, TF&WS, as much as I think they botched it, I could still at least respect the ambition. Their failure of imagination was, well, "You tried to do a thing, and it didn't work."
She Hulk, was a simple premise. It was a show in a long established genre (legal comedy) with a automatically interesting gimmick (superheroes), it should have been an easy win.
And they still managed to fuck it up. I can respect someone who tries but ends up screwing up a gourmet meal, She Hulk's team screwed up a bowl of cereal.
I still love how much of a clusterfuck the final fight is:
-Shuri decides the final fight will be in the enemy's preferred terrain
-Shuri decides not to arm her soldiers to move or breathe underwater should they fall from their ship without guard rails
-Shuri decides not to arm her soldiers to deal with the VERY WELL ESTABLISHED healing factor of the fishpeople, basically rendering her army useless
-Shuri's ship has no guard rails protecting people from falling into the ocean
-Shuri makes an actual good plan to try to make Namor bring a small contingency to go investigate a supposed second radar so she has the numbers advantage, Namor however is incredibly paranoid and brings HIS ENTIRE GARRISSON, therefore putting the wakandans at total and complete disadvantage
-The Dora Milaje jumps off ropes being held by other able warriors instead of pulleys or machines, making them incapable of engaging in combat during the combat
-The Wakandan surprise ship only has one weapon underwater to deal with the enemy that acts primarily underwater
-The fishpeople apparently brought 10 thousand waterbombs to what they though was just a random radar
It's just all so absolutely stupid
It's about as brain-wrecking as No way home's plot but nonsensical plot is basically what the MCU is known for nowadays.
And to be even more stupid, it’s identical to the final arc in Last of Us 2.
They’re genuinely portraying us as baboons in nice costumes.. i’m an african and you’re spot on, they’re doing the opposite of what they say they want to do.
@Exploshaun
Those dolts dragged my favorite god in this pile of sh*t.
@TollFree999 that username fits
@TollFree999 Last time I checked, the movie that heavily features Asgardian Military was Thor The Dark World, and their depiction of Asgardian soldiers using swords was one of its biggest criticism (among many others). Asgard was destroyed in Ragnarok so arguing past that is a moot point (New Asgard is no longer an advanced civilization and more like a refugee camp).
Either way you spin it, depicting a supposedly advanced military using basic melee weapons as their primary was dumb (except if there was another factor, ex: The Force with Lightsaber, Mjolnir Thunder, etc).
This isn't the case with the comic, Asgard uses various enchanted weapons for their soldiers (So each of them basically carries a weaker version of Mjolnir) not to mention that most of them are trained in magic. While Wakandan Military mainly consists of armored vehicles (Where Vibranium really shines), which makes them comparable to even Latveria. I don't see MCU Wakanda surviving a war with Real Life US Military, let alone Doom.
@CowJuice Yet they use swords....like a small nation on earth in Scandinavia did during medieval times. Weird-huh?
1:09:42 As a Nigerian, I cannot thank you enough for correctly pointing this out. Wakanda and the Black Panther movies and comics have become a disgusting joke and a platform for glorifying black supremacy and delusional revisionism. Also, the way you highlight how western society, especially the colonialists, did far more positives for humanity, is so true. My country (imperfect as it is) only exists thanks to them and slavery was abolished because the British found it reprehensibly evil and spent a lot of their own money and man-power to abolish it in the parts of Africa hey controlled; something no African tribe or kingdom would have ever done.
I’m American and you had me dying from laughter within the first 7 minutes.
Between you mocking that awful Army ad to the James Cameron strategy, I almost couldn’t stop laughing as I was finishing my laundry.
Well Done.
i just dont understand what was so funny about the ad .im not trying to be hostile ,id just appreciate it explained to me
@Scion of Dorn "and occasionally, lovers." I'm so tired of hearing about that going on seemingly all the time. Maybe they really do need to bring back widespread segregation by sex in the armed forces.
Seeing that ad tickled me too, because I've received many cringey Marine recruiter messages and ads while in a community college, and no joke, the latest one was a caller approaching me with like an anime OC avatar, I guess as a "Fellow Kids" tactic. I had my fun, pretending to think it was a friend prank-texting me (I honestly wasn't sure at first), and this recruiter dead-ass called me "sus", because by their own admission, they thought it'd be more relatable to use gamer lingo.
@The Little Platoon Believe me (or not), I’m an American war veteran (despite my moniker), and I’m just nauseated by that pathetically pandering ad.
We had gay people and people of just about every ethnicity in our unit and (despite certain boneheaded policies like “Don’t ask, don’t tell”) most of us had exactly zero issue with any of it. We were brothers and sisters (and occasionally, lovers) in arms, and that was it. No muss, no fuss.
The exceptionally tiny minority of genuine bigots by and large kept their traps shut because the penalties for demonstrable bigotry were, in a word, incendiary. And it, as it happened, was also a good way to quickly find yourself a pariah in your own unit.
We didn’t need diversity and acceptance cartoons to know the score. All it took was some regulations, the UCMJ, and an absolute bare minimum of common sense not to be an asshole to your fellow soldiers.
I will still defend that the best MCU depiction of Black panther is in Captain America civil war.
Yeah, I miss the cold calculate that would do anything and kill anyone to achieve his vengeance... In his movie he is more of a scary little boy and not a warrior King...
It absolutely was. He was pretty awesome there and had a pretty good and full character arc. He and his nation are kind of an embarrassment everywhere else in the MCU.
Majority of us agree
Weirdly, they call Namor a god, and act like he is so super powerful, but Thor actually is a god, and they KNOW he is powerful. Namor should have been laughed off the land and given the Davy Jones, "fuck off and don't let me see you for 10 years" treatment.
But Namor is Mexican, unlike Thor who is white, so there is no need to make Namor into a complete stupid joke of a character (but Marvel still does unwillingly and unknowingly because that's just how competent their writing is).
What I’m wondering is how Shuri and Iron Child didn’t die or get sick due to decompression sickness or pop due to water pressure at the BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN and how they’re just chilling outside the submarine made for ONE PERSON
@MG 76 It's far fetch because it took that tribe many generations to be able of doing it... Even some of the best free divers can't achieve their level. Besides that, I agree with you about Wakanda, such a shame that we doesn't see more of the plate.
@just_2swift Nokias are unbreakable, buddy
Why they don't use Nokia had in that scene instead of stick!?
They were not in Talocan when they were rescued they were in a cave 140 meters below sea level. You have native people diving to great depths without gear so that wasn't strange. If they were in Talocan (which was deeper into the sea) than yes I would agree, but besides all this the film didn't make any sense a lot of times... The movie is called Wakanda Forever but all we got to see about wakanda were some people on a market besides the river. I would've loved they showed more of Wakanda as a nation. Also in the end after the attack by Namor and his people Wakanda was damaged but managed not to have a scratch at the end of the movie. I was like wtf....I would've like to have seen a nation in rebuild mode.
@The Little Platoon that’s exactly my point. It makes literally no sense also thank you for the reply, I absolutely love your content :)
I actually like M’baku he’s the only character left in black panther’s cast that I think is a strong character but there wasn’t enough time to make him really shine
@Suzy Girl to your comment about the movie not being for him
@Rooks Clown Which comment are responding to? There's over 40 replies
@Suzy Girl so what?
@Suez Contours .....bro it was a joke about how disney wont stop creating copys of male characters, its not that serious I swear.....
The Ironman suit actually looked like it belonged in the scenes it was in. The CG was terrific. This transformers suit looks like a cartoon drawing on a green screen.
They just don't care lol
I just never understood why Namor, who didn't want to be found, mad about the vibranium detector, gives it to Wakanda so it can be back engineered and working again. On top of that I never understood why Namor and crew didn't look or try to look at/for any information on the ship as to who built the vibranium detector. They just let Wakanda handle it. Mad at Wakanda for letting people know about vibranium after BP, forgetting about Papa Stark and Captain America's shield
Because it’s a terrible movie and Namor is a terrible character. Some characters need to simply stay in comics. Some simply don’t translate to big screen.
You forgot about Klaue who's know to have stolen and sold Vibranium on the dark web which is a plot point in Age of Ultron.
@Geralt of Rivia And thus no advocates in the post-colonial free-for-all .. like Uganda after Idi Amin tossed out the Indians.
@Darkstar Wakanda is based also on Ethiopia, it's even right next to it on maps. Both Lesotho and Ethiopia are landlocked countries that weren't colonised during the scramble for Africa.
M'Baku doesn't want to be Wakanda's leader anymore because he saw how long its leaders tend to live. Since they were introduced in Civil War the Wakandan's leaders have been:
• T'Chaka (2016, killed by Zemo)
• T'Challa (2018, presumably killed by Kilmonger)
• Kilmonger (killed by T'Challa)
• T'Challa (2018, killed by Thanos)
• Unknown person during the blip (presumably killed by T'Challa so he can get the throne back)
• T'Challa (2024, killed again this time by Covid)
• Ramonda (killed by Freaky Fish Person)
• Shuri
That's 7 leadership changes in about 8 years. M'Baku staying away from the throne shows that he's the smartest person in Wakanda.
That.... Is a good point actually.
@Everyone has an opinion More like the late Roman Empire.
7 leadership changes in about 8 years? Are we talking about Australia?
@Ultimate Sora whoosh
Those clips of Martin Freeman as Bilbo giving us the bird in various, creative ways every time you mention him make me not just blow air out of my nose, but actually giggle. Maybe the Hobbit trilogy was worth it just for those.
The pacing on the Bilbo cuts was perfect to keep me laughing throughout.
Yeah…Martin Freeman looks like he’s got a great sense of humour! 🤦🏻♂️
29:22 The idea of a community having the means to heal everyone but refusing to do so because they think they're above the rest of the world sounds like a perfect antagonistic society for a good hero to fight.
Here, though, (assuming it ends up being the case), it's Wakanda doing it, and not only are they the good guys, they're the BEST guys.
@beautiful ugliness well because they criticize the world and humanity for being cruel and unsupportive while not doing anything to help anyone either, so they don't really practice what they preach.
@beautiful ugliness That question is also perfect. I can absolutely imagine a sociopathic villain asking that as they watch people die, knowing full well they could have prevented it. Amazing.
What makes you think they owe humanity anything?
Reminds me of "the dora milaje have jurisdiction wherever the dora milaje find themselfs to be" and it's considered a cool, badass line.
But change dora milaje to CIA/john walker and suddenly....
They have such a hate boner over things past while doing same or similar in the present. Its like the writers(and those that think like them) don't actually hold on the principles they espouse, they just have a problem with who is abusing their power not that they are abusing it.
So is Nokia practically indestructible? Even if you drop her from a great height? Can you play snake on her?
Does Nokia walk around all day singing a snippet of "Grand Vals?" (The Nokia ringtone)
she swam to the ocean floor to rescue our strong female protagonist #1 and 2 without getting crushed by the water pressure.
@Sgt Roach Ok fine totally got me 100% virgin I suppose. Totally the condition of everyone who’s having a bit of a laugh at the expense of a billion dollar company that doesn’t QA their products. Detective of the year, you solved it.
On the point about the Aztecs. Strictly speaking, the Aztecs were the inhabitants of one city (Tenochtitlan), who called themselves Mexica. The name gets applied to the hegemony through which they and two other cities ruled central Mexico. By extension, it gets applied to all the peoples of the empire. Some of the peoples of the empire were culturally assimilated by Tenochtitlan and I think they also built colonies around their empire. It's similar to how "Roman" originally meant someone who was actually from the city of Rome but was slowly applied to a broader and broader group of people.
All of that goes out the window if the merpeople came from the Yucatan, however. The Yucatan was very much Maya land.
To be clear, I haven't watched the movie so i have no idea if the merpeople are supposed to be Aztec or Maya. The filmmakers probably don't know either. I'm just leaving this comment to be clear on what the difference is: the Aztecs were one member of the triple alliance ruling central Mexico in the 15th and early 16th centuries while the Maya were and still are a group of closely related cultures and languages inhabiting the Yucatan peninsula and the lowlands of northern Guatemala/eastern Mexico and Belize.
@Mario Valenzuela II sad but true
@Monikorasort you as well as I know that it was a bad joke written into the lore by Marvel so they could take a piss out of Namor and force him to kneel to Shuri in utter defeat because they written themselves in a corner and couldn't think of a logical way to end the fight.
@Mario Valenzuela II when you say it like that it sounds like the punchline to a bad joke a middle aged office worker tells that his coworkers think is “edgy”
@Monikorasort as someone if Mexican decent, I was hoping that Namor wouldn't go down like a chump to elevate Shuri and Iron Heart. But then they made him lose because his back dried out.
@Mario Valenzuela II yeah, as someone of Aztec descent i was really hoping that Mesoamerican culture wouldn’t get roped into whatever it is that Black Panther thinks it’s doing. Guess my hopes were too high
As a Finnish fan, it warms my heart that our great nation's gift to the world, Nokia Tune, is played several times in this video
@Aditya Pandey thanks, you're the only positive comment I've gotten so far.
@Zoe Lovely username
Kiitos for Nokia, my friend. I love Finland. ❤️
I also wondered why if they've been hidden from the world then why would they have "water grenades"...and living underwater how do these 'grenades' actually work or destroy any military vehicle!?
That's more so a lesson in physics. Physics are very complicated but if you can bring yourself to understand the major element of the earth and how they affected by Gravity and pressure, everything else falls into place much easier.
Because the aquaztecs are actually Pokémon. Because they live in water, they are water benders, like how birds are inherently air benders.
I once heard from a video on the Incredibles that an underwater explosion can actually be more destructive than a surface explosion
@Me Lo oh ,ok why didn't I think of that!? 🤣
Acute pressure differentials also work underwater.
I can't say how much I appreciate this entire channel. It helps that I tend to agree with a lot that is said on this channel, but the community that has been created here is so different. I think that in this comment section, we can have respectful disagreements and actually discuss them as opposed to just yelling at each other. I wish that the people at the university I went to were half as respectful and thoughtful as the least respectful and thoughtful person in this community.
Little Platoon, you've created something special
Thats because it's structured as an actual literary analysis. Not overtly cynical for clicks and not shilling for subpar content.
He genuinely wants to provide a deep dive into why a film does or doesn't work and where these places are. How they come together or work against eachother. It's one of few channels, I've noticed, where the host actually has a deep interest in writing to properly discuss a film on its merits.
Phase 4 was full of so many bizarre story choices and characterizations that were bizarrely stereotypical one has to wonder if the phase was either a strange meta-trolling, or most of these stories were secretly written by David Duke under various nom de plume.
I do have one theory and its that Feige had zero plans past phase three so phase four was them just okaying every garbage rejected script that had somehow made it to his desk while he wrote the outlines for phase five only because he plans to do a mass reboot in Secret Wars so he didn't even care how the.phase four stories effected the world he built because its getting a huge reboot... but ya know in that alternate realities type way where they keep the stuff they like and act like all the pther crap never happened because it was in a different reality
Lol
I don't think it's possible to be so juvenile and historically ignorant on purpose. He'd probably dismiss some of the choices as so on the nose as to be a dead giveaway to the trolling.
I want to point out that Shuri's first act of super strength is greater than anything both Captain American and Chadwick's Black Panther ever managed to achieve.
@xL0stKIlah super wokeman mode
She went straight superman mode lol
25:30 “Ramonda’s dead now so Michonne will never get her redemption.”
Same as when Avengers Endgame never gave us any resolution between Tony and Bucky. They killed off Tony just that so Bucky’s redemption was thrown out the window.
It’s kinda messed up if Chadwick stood for inclusivity and opening up Wakanda and his death lead to the opposite happening.
The good things about MCU Wakanda died with T'Challa.
No racist moron in that reclusive country is and can ever be as virtuous as him.
Well, maybe save for M'Baku. He's the only named character who's not emanating anti-white energy, if I remember correctly.
if? that is what happened in the film
As someone who technically fits into the alphabet soup mafia, but wants nothing to do with the identity politics they peddle I am beyond happy I found your channel via Critical Drinker. Thank you for pointing out the nosedive in quality modern entertainment has taken.
As a fellow alphabet attack helicopter that refuses to have anything to do with the "community", I salute you. I will take solace in the fact that not everyone has completely lost their common sense just because a bunch of people with similar traits said so.
@Poke Me I’m not trying to use buzzwords, and I acknowledge that extremism on the left is a big problem. I also think extremism on the right is a big problem.
Also, I HIGHLY value freedom of speech. Along with freedom of the press, religion, and everything else in the first amendment, it provides several key freedoms that work to make sure the government never becomes self-sustainingly corrupt and unaccountable. I recognize that banning people on social media is legal and not a suppression of free speech, but I still don’t like it.
@LEGO Verse I appreciate your opinion and being pretty congenial. However I have to bow out here. It appears to me you're biased against conservatives and I'm hearing a lot of the same buzz words here that I would hear from CNN or MSNBC. Progress at the cost of freedom isn't progress.
You know what the tribal dancing in Wakanda Forever reminded me of? All Night Long by Lionel Richie, with those "african lyrics" partway through the song that are actually just gibberish, and the dancers in the music video doing this stereotypical African hoppity hop while barefoot.
At least the song was a bop. Can't say the same about Wokanda Whatever
The original 1994 Lion King lyrics were also based as fuck. Whilst I'm on the subject, when ran through a translator, you get phrases like:
"Lion, king of all animals"
"Fight"
"Overthrow the tyrant"
"Bring peace to your homeland"
Which I am 1000% certain got whitewashed in the broadway adaptations.
Oh, for the love of…
Well, there go my illusions that somebody had actually bothered to write African lyrics for that song that might have said something uplifting and light hearted.
(facepalm) I really should have known better.
I'm briefly reminded of Disney's 1994 Lion King. Even back then the "African lyrics" was just straight Swahili.
Edit: Zulu. I meant to say Zulu. I should know, I tested it by putting the lyrics back into google translate.
Pretty good song.
I just love the use of Martin Freeman doing the middle finger in the behind the scenes of The Hobbit every time you mention his character in Black Panther. It always puts a smile on my face.
It’s like they didn’t expect phase 3 to finish! They had no road map going forward
Exactly it's like Feige had no plans so now hes letting all the morons do whatever the want in phase four while he spends his time devising his phase five plans... TBH I bet they just reboot the whole thing on secret wars then pick and choose to keep the few things people liked, like Shung-Chi...all the Wakanda stuff is dead without Chadwick and the guy from get out..not to mention they just killed Angela Bassett...thats three phenomenal proven actors gone and replaced by the terrible actress that plays RiRi Williams...with a reboot, especially a Kang reboot it forces them to focus on the fantastic four, who always crossed over with Spiderman BTW, and their corner of Marvel which can then give them an excuse to segway into the X-Men
Phase 4 has been kinda like how I felt leaving the theater after Terminator 3 ended.
How does Namor know about technology and know who created the device? They conveniently went where the bridge to get Riri also they travel underwater on whales by night(which is cold by night time), so why is both Shuri and Riri not dead by hypothermia?
Because it’s a terrible movie
Phase IV ended less with a bang .. or even a whimper, but more like a like drawn out, high pitched fart with a distinctly squidgy sound at the end.
@Oracle's Compendium More an enraged howl of THANK FUCK THIS SHIT IS OVER!!
Not even that because we all usually get a chuckle by the time one of those farts is complete. Phase 4 was just sad.
So when you questioned the extinction of the Purple Power Flower, I took to google on whether plants can grow back after being burned. Here's what came up at the top:
_It's hard to believe while surveying the aftermath of a wildfire, but plants can actually recover. Shoots can regrow from parts of the plant that are protected from the fire, such as buds buried beneath thick bark or below a layer of insulating soil._
@NiklasAV It can!
That is also true, as long as the land isnt too scorched and damaged. The ash kann also fertilise plants i believe
I love the elegance in which you construct your critique. It’s so inspiring that it leads me to reflect on my own personal way of doing the same in my day to day life.
I absolutely love listening to you.
Thank you ❤️
Often a joke wears thin when repeated too often, but the continuous use of the Nokia sound is absolutely brilliant.
It's even better cuz I didn't even notice it at first until halfway through and since he never calls attention to it, just slips it in without warning I always laugh.
Luckily it's not pointed to with the phrase "LOOK ITS THE NOKIA THEME ARE YOU LAUGHING"
I'm still baffled by the ludicrous choices Marvel made in stage 4. They had a blueprint for success with what had come before: a dangerous allover villain building up to a big confrontation, with pieces of each movie featuring a bit of the puzzle. Instead we got disjointed stand alone films which sidelined the titular heroes, relegating them to second fiddles in their own films. Tonally they're a mess, with no logic. This phase has sucked big time, but it didn't have to.
They could have done so much more with Namor...
@Tantalizing FGC Yep, they somehow thought casting a Mexican man, to play a supposed Aztec/Mayan was "pRoGrEsSiVe!!!111!!!!11", when all three are different peoples all together. Funny, that.
Ah well, the real tragedy here is that we waited this long to see how the MCU would handle Namor, and now we're never gonna see him. We're stuck with Kukulkan.
They could've, but it's already pretty fucking stupid to decide to crown a character as your next main villian, that you don't own most of the copyrights to 😅 the added pseudo-inclusion/ -profundity to the name "Namor" (el niño siN AMOR) is just the icing on the cake
Hell they could have brought in Jim Hammond to help bounce off of Namor
This is even more ironic now that Jason Momoa is being removed from the role of Aquaman, so the need to avoid comparison has been removed.
"Because shut up" is basically the mantra of every marvel fan at this point.
I JUST realized why this set of videos had a ringtone in the background. I thought it was a mistake, but I can see how it was absolutely intended and why that is is hilarious 😂
the difference in story consistancy and development between just 20 years ago and now is astonishing
they marketed Namor as an anti-hero. No! He's a straight up villain in this movie, everything he does is what a villain would do, nothing he does could be remotely consider "for a good reason", invade the world to protect his people? that's what killmonger did, and he is a villain for trying that!
It kinda reminds me of WW2's Eastern Front. 2 irredeemable groups killing each other.
Yes! Black Panther is the only phase 1-3 MCU film that I only watched once and made the conscious decision not to watch again.
I liked it as a better-than-average sci-fi action film, but it was unbearable to "just know" that somewhere in the world, there were people who cheered at the spiteful, venomous and regressive statements made throughout the film.
It was refreshing to see an MCU villain with their own (evil) goals, who was interesting enough to make me think (about how NOT to think about the world).
However, in the back of my mind, it was hard to ignore the subliminal messaging intended to make people rationalize or even agree with Killmonger and all the other garbage being re-presented as brand new insight.
What would've elevated this movie would be a scene in which Namor approaches Queen Ramonda Velaryon (First of her Name) and says "You cannot say Namor(rrrr) without Amor(rrrr)" and plays castanets to emphasize the point.
This is why in the evil Overlord list, you are supposed to get a general that is a five-year-old. Because if they can point out the errors in your plan you really need to rework it
@amateur match oh my that is an older reference but it certainly checks out.
The Witch Queen Savathûn, in Destiny, has a rule that her High Coven have to explain their plots to one of their children (her species' children hatch as four-foot tall berserkers with claws), and if the child can understand it, they need to rework it.
Why isn't Michone (I have no idea how to spell it) the new Black Panther? She is established over two movies as an incredibly bad ass fighter already, one who has already proven she'd be a very effective protector. The first movie made it clear that Black Panther and King/Queen are two separate roles, so make her the defender of Wakanda; it's more believable and she's earned it, and it'd fit as some sort of redemption for her earlier "failure" to take on that mantle.
Because it's never said in the movies but only people of a certain bloodline can drink the purple flower and not die. Also I guarantee you this was not the reason she wasn't black panther and the writers did not even consider this. They basically went into this movie with "how can we make Shuri Black Panther, and also introduce mutants and make it make sense?"
As a Mexican, I can confirm drying the backs of our villains one-shots them. Use that knowledge the next time you get mugged by cartel members
Que apropiado es un chiste de mojados con la existencia de Namor
my question is: if he was gonna nuke the world, wouldn't that affect the landscape, poison nature in the process and has a good chance of affecting the marine lives as well? Namor did not think that through.
Organic nukes, duh!
the problem with 'phases' is that at this point what does it even mean anymore, ever since avengers endgame it's just been one long never-ending stream of content
The destruction of Wakanda’s Super Power Flower never made any sense. It allows for an easy explanation for certain peoples super feats and limiting its use makes sense because you don’t want super powered psychos.
Then this movie makes it worse by making it a cure-all. *sigh*
For whatever reason I had high hopes for this film, the villain and his motivations really let this down i feel. I think they were going for Namor being an opportunist who changes his plans depending on the situation (like his character in the comics) but I think they couldn’t execute that because they didn’t give him a strong enough goal in the first place so we understand his ultimate motivations when he changes his plans.
The thing I liked about Kate Bishop is that she fucked up repeatedly and her fucked up's had consequences and Even when she succeeded early on it was entirely a fluke, They made a point of emphasizing certain things, Like how the pipe broke which caused her to fall on an enemy.
It's actually one of the few MCU shows I like.
@Thomasmemoryscentral It's the fact that they have more eyes on those popular characters that makes them ripe for ruining. It's like how the new Star Wars show massively screwed up, except for the one that barely has any established/popular characters (Andor).
Figures Hawkeye show and the one avenger they don't do much with comes out unscathed.
Yet they can't do better with the more popular heroes in phase 4?
You know, the first film established that Vibranium does not like sonics, Bilbo was made aware of that and it was how Erik died. Couldn't the US military have potentially annihilated their defenses with sound based riot control cannons?
Wait. In the movies, vibranium is described as "vibration-proof." So how the hell would sonic stabilizers even work? Ah fuck it, it's never even been explained how anyone even shapes that shit, it's nonsense.
@Anthony Saylor oh.
Still, the idea of electromagnets works way better than sound.
If loud shit can make vibranium weak, than there's no point to it.
Doesn't like sonics, you say...
How did we miss out on a Doctor Who/Hedgehog (blue)/Wakandan Boogaloo cross-over event!?
@silverprimus321 boi No, no, in the scene Ross correctly identifies the trains as maglev, but is blown away by the efficiency. And when he asks about the "light panels" along the sides that move as the trains pass, Shuri's line is:
_"Sonic stabilizers... In its raw form, Vibranium is too dangerous to be transported at those speeds. I developed them to temporarily deactivate it."_
I thought it was electromagnets.
I figured that in order to make vibranium moldable, you have to make an electromagnet with raw vibranium, which can then allow the metal to soften and mold into whatever you want it to be.
I found this review series of the movie more entertaining than the actual movie itself.
Every time I buy some thing it comes with a little white packet that says “desiccant do not eat”. If you poured a bunch of that crap over Namor he would dry out instantly.
I act like I don’t know what it is but it is diatomaceous earth and it is quite easy to come by. It is incredibly effective and it would pretty much turn anyone into a dry husk.
“Augh! The silica gel packet from a bag of beef jerky, my one weakness! Who ever thought a little girl could desiccate a flying fish man like me? I’m melting, melllltiiing… oh, what a world, what a world…..”
I like how you actually pasted in footage of a low budget power rangers cartoon in place of iron girl's suit.
Died laughing the first 20 seconds with the Wakandan bugaloo line 😂 I was done already
I agree with you, but the one thing that aggravates me that the writer or the director didn't realize. Was that in the first movie the Spears? They have shoot concussion blast out of it just like the iron Man suit, throughout the movie they didn't once used those weapons like they never existed to begin with.
I just felt it was unnecessary for The queen to die, especially since there were poles for her to lift herself up. Also the Queen Just standing there.. awful
Yeah, she could have just pulled Riri aside, grabbed onto something, and waited for the water to come through.
She probably didn't wanna be in anymore sequels
As intellectually challenging, complex, and fulfilling as your works always are, I found that one thing in particular in this episode stood out. It must, therefore, be mentioned, and appropriately lauded. I am a YUGE fan of the Venture Brothers. The subtle musical background tone of "Sphinx!!" every time the secret organization's name was ever mentioned never failed to amuse me. In addition, though American, I lived in Germany from 1987 until 2002. This means that I was, indeed, the proud owner of several Nokia phones in the late 90s. Your relentless playing of the ringtone during the entirety of this 6 hour episode was entirely warranted. Well done, sir .. Well done.
Platoon never fails to disappoint. I wish I had more friends like you around here.
Yeah but we don’t get to hang out and drink port and go to movies together and laugh our asses off. And debate philosophy by the fireplace until the wee hours of the night.
That’s what the internet is for!
Another top notch video! Great work. Your video essays are very very well done. Thank you!
Why isn't Shuri blue if she created a hybrid using her brother's blood, dead leaves of five years and a strand? Make that makes sense.
1:06:38 - 1:07:35 Genuinely, thank you for including such a well-worded look at this topic. Because far too many people I've come across JUST hate diversity because "must be some agenda ig", or JUST applaud diversity because doing anything else would make them look bad.
When I heard that Coates took over for the Black Panther comics, that sent chills down my spine
I know. I knew that was the end, for T'Challa. Then he somehow got Captain America.
1:08:07 thank you, this is such a great message. I truly hope more art becomes like this in the future.
Given how the purple goo works as a superhuman dispenser. I'm shocked they haven't retconned captain americas super soldier syrum to have wakanda be somewhat involved, probably stolen goo.
Fits well within the worldview, surprised they've yet to do that.
You are quickly becoming my favorite reviewer. You bring so much more to the table than just "woke is bad m'kay" like some others do, and it is. But you offer a much wider perspective and insight. I really enjoy your content.
Well worded, elegantly put, and you earned yourself a subscriber. Really made me think and wonder about other "representation" in the media. Divisionary attitudes that only make relations between different people more hostile seem to be all too present in modern media.
Well done. This was such a good video. Well put together and elegantly put. I always enjoy your videos! Keep up the good work! 👍
Thank you very much!
I found the introduction of Namor nice and can see the actor in further movies, but they shouldn't connect it to Vibranium because that makes the properties of it more confusing. And you are right about his motivations: he doesn't know what he wants.
That editing tho. Absolutely masterful. The ":Don't worry, there will be time for that later" with iron man was perfect.
I'm sorry I have to add one more thing. If they stayed with the comic book slightly, they could have explain that the first king of that tribe that found the plant that gives the black panther strength. When he consumed it nearly killed them and the only reason why I survived he might have been a mutant could be used for future purposes or inhuman could be used to future purposes. And that's why it can only be taken by his bloodline hence killmonger and then add it in when the first king tried to use it for his people. Those who volunteered instantly died excruciating painful deaths and he realized only his bloodline can handle it after his son ate the fruit trying to be like his dad.
I heard the actor who plays fish-guy didn’t know how to swim prior to this movie…
I learned recently that sonar devices on large ships/subs are actually crazy powerful, as in they vaporizer the water immediately around the device and can turn swimmers to a bloody pulp if close enough. The whole merfolk army could've been deleted if they had just used their sonar lol
31:03
Tell me y’all see this.
After she kicks the mannequin the cracks in the wall outline her Black Panther Mask.
This video is so good that it deserves its own 1 hours+ review and commentary. The editing and wordplay make me laugh. Which thor love and thunder did not. Also, how did Disney manage to cock up multiverse so badly? It is the anakin Skywalker of the mcu. It had the potential to be the most mind bending, fantastic, and possibly even emotional since infinity war and endgame. But Disney be like "nah. Americah Chavez my guy." Putting story telling, fun and escapism in the back seat in favor of....... THE MESSAGE 🌈 ✊🏿 The very premise that made up children mattered more to wanda than vision (which now exists reincarnated) is preposterous and stupid. Like "i had a dream i had kids so derp, im gonna brainwash an entire town, then try to something a little girl, but really imaoff mahself. Stfu show. It should have dived deep into the psyches of wanda and strange as wanda lost her grip on reality. Forcing them to explore each other's minds in the multiverse, the crushing weight of unfathomable power and limitless sight of possibility, and the strain it has taken on them both. But ill just leave writing to the pubescent activists at Disney .
I don't think I would normally praise the Hawkeye series that much, but it was unironically the best/least damaging thing in Phase 4 and Kate Bishop's characterization is downright masterful, as compared to every other new major character introduced in Phase 4. Not to say that it is actually masterful, but as a comparison... yes.
Hell, I'd even say that the flashback showing her in 2012 is the strongest and strongest presented backstory of all of Phase 4.
Hello again Platoon. I wont lie, the first teaser for this movie actually got me hyped. So sad to see it was the same as the other phase 4 movies.
Lets hope they sort things out in phase 5.
@Suzy Girl Tony Stark is not the lord and savior of the MCU. Robert Downey Jr. is the lord and savior of the MCU. Whatever you think of TS/IM, there is no question that the MCU would’ve had anything close to the success it did without RDJ. He brought in the normies.
I agree Shuri had a bit of an arc in this one, with her failure to save her brother. It was nothing like the extended arcs that Tony or Thor or even T’Challa went through. (Heck, it was less than what Killmonger went through.) AFAIK, it’s the first time she’s been less than 100% perfect despite being in… what? Three movies? I probably don’t have to tell you she’s not my favorite character, but you’re right: she’s not She-Hulk. Huzzah.
@wyssmaster Given the number of reboots of every other character that seems like a garbage excuse. The existence of the George Clooney Batman which is pretty universally panned didn’t prevent the Nolan Batman from getting made. It’s been 11 years that’s plenty of time. Plus now that they cast Aldis Hodge as Hawkman they can’t have him as Green Lantern. Although I suppose since they seem to be nuking the Snyderverse and everything associated with it maybe they can still use him.
@JeritheOkapi it's likely due to the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern
@JeritheOkapi Right? Honestly, the animated universe is just so much better, I almost don't bother with the live-action DCEU. (But I still do. I'm not proud of it.)
@dhauck57 I frickin love John Stewart and have no idea why we have had the JSA in a major movie before John Stewart as Green Lantern. Honestly it’s crazy to me we got a Shazam movie first.
I didn't look for any deeper messages beyond the "It's a shame we lost Chadwick". I really enjoyed it for the spectacle and the Namor who was Mayan was incredible, as were their costumes. Don't often get to see Mayan 'hero's' so that was really cool
Hey so I'm new to your channel and I've listened to the advice you gave during your review of Rings of Power and I'm actually going to try my hand at writing a novel series
I have no idea if it will be any good or succeed but I agree, let's tell our own stories rather than wait for Hollywood to stop crapping out terrible movies
Love your content and I look forward to new videos
P.S. Would you consider reviewing John Wick?
Definitely have a go! Honestly, the most important advice is “finish it”. “F- it” are the two most useful words in the English language. I know plenty of very talented people who write 5 brilliant pages, get stuck, and abandon it. Ultimately, a finished book could be terrible - and still be better than that brilliant 5 pages. You learn persistence, you formulate, you develop styles and ideas; it may be that you reach the end and hate it, but your next one will be better, and your ideas can be repurposed.
As always, fantastic video. I don't have much to say that hasn't been said, your sense of humor and intelligent critique blend together perfectly
God dammit. I know that's a real US Army commercial. It is so damn embarrassing knowing the army I gave 6 of my best years to is such an utter shit show
I'm a 19 year old American female, they advertise to me constantly wit things like KZclip challenges and I shit you not shit like "join the U.S army! It's like a real life video game!" It's tone deaf and gross
Well, if she turned Freaky-Fish-Guy and his people into defeated subjects, that would make her the colonizer and slaver.
Your conclusion was beyond anything I've heard anyone say so directly and correctly in a long time. Cheers!
dont worry, phase 5 will be worse. now they will have tv shows based on extras.
Friend, you made me near cry by actually pronouncing quixotic correctly.
I'm a person who grew up on comic books. I drank the MCU Kool-Aid and saw every single film they put out. That was, up until phase 4. I even watched the Disney+ shows... well, at first. So far, I haven't seen:
Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, She Hulk, The Eternals, Thor: Love and Thunder, Black Panther 2... I'm losing interest, as I suspect a lot of other people are as well.
Moon Kinght imo was a good show i liked the double personality plotline with Mark
Dont watch em. The pain is unbearable
For me i feel like this movie use Chadwick death like a steping stone.
You and Mauler are people who keep my sanity and believe in humanity, thank you for that, coudnt live without it
I found your Channel back few months ago, subbed but only now i started consuming a lot of your long form content.
I have to say you know your stuff, not just the source materials and not just in regards to Marvel of course, but just genuine knowledge about writing, about how people read into these things.
The sentiments are consistent across franchises, i can draw a line from your ROP, Star wars, Marvel videos and it's still consistent. I really liked one such sentiment in one of your ROP video is that LOTR was Universal, Narrative, the characters, their struggles, desires, achievements and heroism awoke emotions universal among us, something that we can share among the many distinctive but often oppositional views and beliefs, despite all these there is a way to not generalize yet still be Universal on a rudimentary level and have that shared experience across communities. While ROP is localizing its characters, it's narrative while pretending to be bigger in scope then LOTR on the "social" front. Ultimately, separating it's viewers
That sentiment is transferable, a American company, with American Actors and Writers creating a story set in Africa, doing the stereotypes of WHAT THEY think Africa is, then injecting the corrupted spirit of modern America. Because They surely know it better then the Local people. The endeavor itself is set to fail, the idea of Wakanda is localized either way, you either Fail to impress the Africans wich they did but when did covering your ears and blame shifting didn't help ? Or you fail to impress your Americans on delivering the premise of portraying a Fictional place set in Africa, even tho.. That Portrayal is dictated by the minds of Americans, of what they think Africa must be like, they must be like them, African Americans, after all Americans are just American Africans.. Wait what ? not gonna lie, the more i think about it the more sickening it is.
I just wanna say if you read this, i appreciate your work.
Love your Jeremy Clarkson’s clips. This is without question the best review on Wakanda Forever ‘In.The.World”.
It’s almost scary. Hollywood is making things worse for people like me, not better. I, and people like me, just want to be left alone to live our lives, yet the people making films and TV actively thrust us into the spot light, usually in a threatening way. Shouting and forcing your opinion upon others never convinces people to your point of view. If you want to make a character like me then do so, but don’t turn another favorite character that has earned their love from the audience into me, and worse, get angry when its not well received. Characters have to be well written and earn their place in history, nothing is free.
One thing i will correct, CIA didn't stole Riri's device or it's plans but given by her teacher.
I'm disappointed that you didn't mention 2 things I expected you to.
1st, When Shuri and Riri were captive in Namor's cave thing whatever, I couldn't stop laughing that one of the guards was a distractingly obese woman like why would that be the guard and I thought they were supposed to be the strongest army
2nd. After the flying microwave crashed onto the beach there's a good few minutes of Namor flying around the beach over Shuri's head and punching her, why tf didn't he just immediately fly into the ocean that was just a few feet away BEFORE flying around and punching Shuri it makes absolutely no sense
I laughed my ass off at the “maybe Shuri is a vegan” quote in this video
One question I have is how the Atlanteans handled the situation where half their population were suddenly erased from existence and said half suddenly reappearing 5 years later. Like I'm sure that they would be very interested as to what the hell happened and why, especially Namor.
This is one thing about the MCU's future phases. As long as these movies and TV shows remain connected to the same universe as the first 3 phases, Thanos' universe culling snap along with previous major events will keep coming back to well "haunt" these future projects especially when they introduce new factions that have apparently been around for centuries or longer.
The “Mass produce the goo” chapter was a wonderful homage to Dr. Seuss and I loved every bit of it.