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The War on the West | Douglas Murray | EP 247

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  • Jordan B Peterson
    Jordan B Peterson  11 ай бұрын +621

    Douglas Murray's The War on the West is available now on Amazon: amzn.to/3veyXqF

    • Myles
      Myles 10 күн бұрын


  • TheEnzson
    TheEnzson 11 ай бұрын +3193

    If you really think I'm going to watch 2 hours of JBP and DM on my free monday evening after a hard day at work, you're absolutely damn right!

    • Dirk Van De Mark
      Dirk Van De Mark 12 күн бұрын

      ​@WendyH gr0

    • Salford Guy
      Salford Guy 6 ай бұрын

      @toasted sniper 🤡

    • toasted sniper
      toasted sniper 6 ай бұрын

      that's so crazy I'm watching this on a monday night

    • Nineteen eighty four
      Nineteen eighty four 6 ай бұрын

      I have a hard time going with anyone over a half hour but I have never found anyone worth listening to that can do it in under an hour. Our pastor is so good that the church voted to forfeit the music service to allow him a full hour. Who would ever thought there was any preacher worth listening to for an hour or more. I guess he was preparing me for these uber long Jordan programs. Yea call me a Jordanite because I am one.

    • Mikey
      Mikey 6 ай бұрын

      Listen while the lobsters applaud! Good stuff gents.

  • Jon Campbell
    Jon Campbell 8 ай бұрын +227

    When Douglas said “it’s not about fairness, it’s about revenge” I realized something I knew unconsciously for years.

    • Andy St
      Andy St Күн бұрын

      also that past is past, it already happened, why let replacement happen again? learn from the history not repeat it. just because war and conquest and mass imm.. happened back then does not justify it by todays standards. they still have a choice to care about preserving their cultures. the past cant be changed or prevented but the future can.

    • Andy St
      Andy St Күн бұрын

      @Luca Baki the problem is, a good portion of these migrants ARE NOT agreeing to the same law or respecting other cultures. it seems only the indians, chinese, japanese, koreans and other european migrants seem to respect uk and not raise the crime rates, but even then it would be sad to see english just replaced by them in modern days. what happened to afghanistan, taiwan, and the bush ppl of africa by the stronger demographics that replaced or displaced them is sad yet we turn a blind eye if it happens to europeans.

    • Andy St
      Andy St Күн бұрын

      @Luca Baki also my main point is its wrong to justifiy mass immigration by bringing up WAR AND CONQUEST of spain etc. hundreds of year ago. different standards and eras.

    • Andy St
      Andy St Күн бұрын

      @Luca Baki fair enough, of course i know about changes in geography, and thats why the whole debate of who owns which lands leads to wars and its gets muddied depending how far back you go since technically all ancestors migrated from south central africa, etc. but for TODAY with modern standards a demographics, it would be sad to see ethnicities get diminished against their will no? surely its not evil for one person to want to preserve culture and traditions of their land for the future no? imo usa and canada is ok but the other lands like europe are so small and that IS their original ethnic land for a long time so it would be sad for me to go visit england one day hypothetically in 500 years and it just feels like new york, pakistan, morroco, india etc. and the english culture has been eliminated or at least replaced. same with any other country. if in a future alt universe it was italians who immigrated to so many country en mass, when i go to nigeria, india, japan, should just expect to NOT see their cultures and be ok with feelin like in italy because they have mass immigrated there?
      the double standard is another point too. why so ok with culture and demo replacement in uk france germany etc. but same ppl would be all upset if it was other coutries ? back then it was standard since ppl wanted to expand their demo and culture and it was more savage, but today that no longer fair EXCEPT if it lessens white europeans right? not a peep from mainstream media about indian chinese arabs being pressured out of african or southamerican countries but when europeans do it for the same reason, its racism? europe HAS to be the world's babysitters and hospital? where's the pressure to tell WAY MORE culturally compatible saudi, uae, qatar to accept these muslim "refugees" who are mainly economic immigrants? its only ok to pressure muslims to go to less compatible european liberal christian countries with exploitable welfare? we just gonna ignore expansionist culture withing muslim countries think this is just 100% coincidence a good portion refuse to go anywhere else aside from the chrisian euros and refuse to assymilate and try to change europeans and bring over their culture includng the negatives? meanwhile japan is THRIVING with preserving their culture by doing what some west euro countries are starting to realize is the best option: limiting mass immigration more. yet you have to SEARCH for japan's immigration on youtube to find out about it lol. its obvious their is a white guilt anti white rhetoric in western europe, eastern europe is laughing at them. "when i was a child, it was "dare you to jump out the window or you're a chicken", now it dare you to etc. or you're racist/sexist/bigot,etc." " yes your right about history of demo changes but we are living in TODAY, not by the came saw and conquer savage days of back then. mass migration can STILL lead to the same effects of conquest, albeit via more subtle gradual means, REPLACEMENT of Demographic and culture. whether its violently kicking the door down and physically removing everyone from room to room, or persistently calling the rightful home owners family heartless and racist until they gradually one by one take in a homeless person until the livingroom it littered with needles and ur kids are getting abused, it both leads to the eventual decline of the original culture and people. west euro should just grow a pair and say enough is enough and be like japan, japan seen what immigration did to uk, rise in hate crime, sex assaults, acid attacks, riots, ethnic tensions, attacks on GOOD immigrants who assimilated and work by the law by the resentful immigrants who make less money and have higher crime rates, you cant deny the stat changes of these countries, and so has japan. imo best solution is CANADA and USA since it is such a big land with good economies and is practically built with immigrants since native american already such a small minority anyways, not perfect but its best solution

  • Nobert
    Nobert 8 ай бұрын +230

    As a Ugandan living in Germany, I approve of the entire gratitude section. DM literally took the words out of my mouth 🙏🏿 I once said the exact same thing in a podcast 1 year ago but less eloquently. It feels good to know that we share the same thought despite me lacking the eloquence to put those thoughts out so beautifully 😘 it’s been worth it sitting in the entire Saturday. If in a few years I’m still here and my child messes around with that patriarchy nonsense I’m taking him/her back to Uganda ASAP, thanks for that tip too 🤣🤣🤣

    • Luca Baki
      Luca Baki Күн бұрын

      Hoffe bei dir ist alles gut mein Freund!!

    • matthys uys
      matthys uys 6 күн бұрын

      Uganda might be a better prospect than Europe in a future not too far away. I'm grateful to some aspects of the African cultures as they at least protect their children and culture against the colonialism of Woke.

    • Sean JohnBull
      Sean JohnBull 10 күн бұрын

      I agree with you completely. I always think that should I find myself in any Western country, and by the grace of God I have children there, then for some reason they start getting woke, I'm shipping them back to Africa to learn gratitude and to also learn that they don't they didn't earn the right to be living in a working society.

    • MF Allen
      MF Allen 23 күн бұрын

      Very few have Douglas' eloquence; lord knows I don't! Fantastic comment by the way and is spot-on. We need to teach our kids the virtue of gratitude desperately! It's more important now than, perhaps, ever in human history.

  • C. Noone
    C. Noone 5 ай бұрын +50

    Just love these two highly intelligent men, who keep things in perspective in the craziness of today’s world! Huge respect to you both gentlemen! 🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • David Dupuis
    David Dupuis 8 ай бұрын +81

    Without western culture, where would we be? Hell. Amen. 2 hours very well spent. Thank you, JBP and Douglas Murray.

      ПОЧИНЮ КУКУХУ 4 ай бұрын +2

      @AnalysisOnLight Nope, christianity prohibited humanity from development. Only Renaissance who came back to Roman and Greek culture and started church reformation enabled progress. Christianity is tremendous black hole.

    • LC King 000
      LC King 000 4 ай бұрын

      @atargo2 name a specific country outside the western tradition that is majority Christian and that won’t be very difficult to answer

  • Rules4Life
    Rules4Life 9 ай бұрын +77

    The fact that this man can express these emotions, with that care and story telling, really shows not only his intelligence but how human he is.

  • Kaiser68
    Kaiser68 11 ай бұрын +1232

    "The deconstructionists always attempt to deconstruct everything but their tenured university jobs." OMG that slayed me 😂

    • Ivan Boyraz
      Ivan Boyraz 2 ай бұрын

      @Kaiser68 so what is it

    • Leo Jablonski
      Leo Jablonski 3 ай бұрын

      Yup, those nasty meal worms at university, not called colleges .

    • Pradipa Mahadeva
      Pradipa Mahadeva 3 ай бұрын

      Key to the whole issue!
      Tenure does not need to prove themselves, just CHURN OUT GARBAGE.

  • NinjaKitty
    NinjaKitty 10 ай бұрын +74

    Two of the absolute BRILLIANT thinkers of our day... JBP & Douglas Murray, what a treat this is sure to be!

    • John Messer
      John Messer 5 ай бұрын +2

      Douglas was born to explain things, in an eloquent and forthright manner...

    • Pammmm
      Pammmm 6 ай бұрын +3

      I also enjoy Victor Davis Hanson, another great thinker and very down to earth

  • Chris Duncan
    Chris Duncan 3 ай бұрын +50

    Thank you both so much. I'm quite sure there is a war on free society, our history, family and community.

    • Brenda
      Brenda Ай бұрын

      @Donna Somerville I don’t do religion🙂

    • Donna Somerville
      Donna Somerville Ай бұрын

      @Brenda Seek the Lord. Amen.

    • Donna Somerville
      Donna Somerville Ай бұрын

      Brenda, seek the Lord. He is the power and the glory, and the only way,. Amen.

    • Chris Duncan
      Chris Duncan Ай бұрын +1

      @Brenda there is not! Okay. You're welcome.🙏

    • Brenda
      Brenda Ай бұрын

      There is not!

  • backwards7
    backwards7 9 ай бұрын +64

    I am currently reading a battered old copy of 'The Ghosts of London' by H V Morton, who was a journalist, a historian and a travel writer. He wrote the eponymous opening chapter to this particular book in 1939, shortly after Great Britain declared war on Germany. He rightly speculated that the impact of these hostilities upon London would be regarded, eventually, as a defining chapter in the history of the Capital. He also makes an observation which I think is pertinent when discussing Douglas's book regarding the dismantling of Western culture:
    "In times of peace it is permissible for all but a few antiquaries to forget the past and forge ahead cheerfully into the future; but in war-time a nation, calling up its spiritual reserves, draws unconsciously upon the strength of its past, and owes to its ancestors more than it knows, or than may be set down in words."
    If we allow our history and the culture that it has engendered to be broken up and buried, then what other foundation do we stand on for support when times grow hard?

    • Cindy🎶
      Cindy🎶 Ай бұрын +3

      @Sci_ent_ifiC Sui_neGI agree with you. America 🇺🇸 is not even the same country that it was, now. The future only looks worse.💔

    • Sci_ent_ifiC Sui_neG
      Sci_ent_ifiC Sui_neG 5 ай бұрын +8

      Very eloquently and genuinely put. There is one issue missing from this particular chat. Ethnically English birthrate is below replacement ... At age 31 ... 50% of womeen are childless (ta feminists,).. Non ethnically English birthrate is double. That means exponential growth. So by 2050 ish ... In England we will be a minority and 'sharia law' will be enforced. The west is doomed. It breaks my heart.

  • HippyDippyCaliGirl62
    HippyDippyCaliGirl62 6 ай бұрын +21

    I've laughed and cried. Especially when Mr. Murray described the paintings, and our heroes etc... it was Especially poignant.... thank you both.

  • Whistles to Animals
    Whistles to Animals 9 ай бұрын +30

    This is the first time hearing Douglas Murray and boy oh boy is he impressive. I actually will be recommending this video to some of my friends. We need a lot more of this reality to be exposed to shut down the insanity and stupidity that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

  • Poop E.pants
    Poop E.pants 10 ай бұрын +837

    What 'multiculturalism' boils down to is that you can praise any culture in the world except Western culture - and you cannot blame any culture in the world except Western culture. -Thomas Sowell

    • Kathy Stoneburner
      Kathy Stoneburner 3 ай бұрын

      Oh there it is!! So true that we can't do anything right but everyone wants to come here. There's always been a lot of jealousy towards America from other countries.

    • Poop E.pants
      Poop E.pants 3 ай бұрын

      @Dave Taste Sowell is black or is that the joke? idk

    • Dave Taste
      Dave Taste 3 ай бұрын

      He would say that as a privileged white man.
      (there's a joke in here for those that know)

    • Vicki Tallant
      Vicki Tallant 3 ай бұрын

      I meant to say black Slavery

    • Vicki Tallant
      Vicki Tallant 3 ай бұрын

      You would be surprised at the amount of people who don’t know where black slaver came from .

  • Kamil Trzebiatowski
    Kamil Trzebiatowski 9 ай бұрын +33

    Douglas's chapter on gratitude is one of the most powerful series of pages I've read in a long time.

  • Ben Kosto
    Ben Kosto 7 ай бұрын +27

    I followed along, listened hard, understood most words, and can officially say we're incredibly fortunate to have the such smart people, good people like Jordan and Douglas, and we get to listen to them, only in exchange for time. Deal!

  • Lawless Louis
    Lawless Louis 9 ай бұрын +14

    Thanks dr. Peterson, for everything. And thanks dr. Murray for this talk and the courage and determination to speak up for this madness and do something, I’ll definitely be looking forward to read your book.

  • R.J.
    R.J. Ай бұрын +3

    Douglas Murray is a national treasure. We should be glad to have him.

  • Rosso Films International
    Rosso Films International 8 ай бұрын +12

    The Brilliance of these two men is a conversation that can change your life. I love the clarity and their vulnerability to examine their own arguments

  • Awakened Man
    Awakened Man 11 ай бұрын +2036

    “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”

    • Greyman_says
      Greyman_says 8 ай бұрын

      @Joshua H And yet most of the world still looks to the US as the standard. As bad as you say it is, it's still the best thing going. Dont bother trying to change my mind, then we'd both be wrong.

    • Psyck
      Psyck 8 ай бұрын

      @David Lo Pan books, speech and any other form of artistic expression that is considered dangerous and offensive. How strange that not long ago we fought these ideals in Germany and now some wish to adopt them and think the results will be different. Ban offensive speech, art and books. Then get rid of weapons. Experiments on children and adults who are different than the majority of the population. Camps to separate the undesirables are coming soon. We never learn and applaud our stupidity as righteous and woke.

  • Jezebel
    Jezebel 7 ай бұрын +11

    Absolutely love the academic streaming options available today; it makes me feel like I'm not alone in my pursuit of knowledge.

    • John Messer
      John Messer 5 ай бұрын +1

      The thing that keeps me alive @ 79 yrs old, is the availability of knowledge like this..
      It gives me hope that we have such visionary intellectuals amongst us...

  • P. Funk
    P. Funk 2 ай бұрын +3

    Absolutely brilliant and highly enlightening! Here, I do actually learn things and angles I didn't yet know. Thank you to both of you!

  • Alex May
    Alex May 9 ай бұрын +29

    Absolutely superb. Off to buy the book. Douglas Murray nails it.

  • Anna McGough
    Anna McGough 8 ай бұрын +11

    I loved this so much I watched it twice!! I am currently studying in my sociology class and of all the constructs to discuss, race is again the most prevalent berating the white person. I am a white female and when you spoke about haveing to be "polite and courteous" it was as if you were reading my mind. It irritates me that I have to keep defending myself when I have done no wrong and wish to do no wrong to ANYONE. Thank you both so much for sharing your wisdom. My hope is that somehow society as a whole will learn to understand each other as unique individuals and focus on the things that really matter. But how can we do this? I am so buying this book. Many blessings to you both.

  • Jamo Bamo
    Jamo Bamo 9 ай бұрын +11

    Thank you both for taking the time, refreshing and mind opening. It's rather nice to have two caring lads taking the time to get the ball rolling.

  • mycroftc
    mycroftc 10 ай бұрын +627

    As an immigrant in America, I have to say that Douglas’ analysis is spot on. People like me come here because the West is awesome and gives the highest equality of opportunity to diverse groups. It used to be puzzling to me why so many born and brought up here don’t see it, but then fish don’t necessarily realize they’re in water…it’s all they know

    • mycroftc
      mycroftc Ай бұрын +1

      @K Yeah, its very weird, I have begun looking at Americans who grumble about America as if they're kids throwing a tantrum about not getting the latest video game console on their birthday...making mountains out of molehills.

    • Ernst Wiltmann
      Ernst Wiltmann Ай бұрын +2

      @K You have to understand, that a small group of Philanthropist's are trying to replace our old values, with a "woke" culture. You are wrong when you assume that we hate our country, actually conservatives are Patriots that want morality restored.

    • K
      K 2 ай бұрын

      My bf, who grew up in Communist Albania says the same exact thing as you.
      He's astounded that any American can hate this country.

    • Kevin Lawler
      Kevin Lawler 2 ай бұрын +2

      I’ve been back and forth about that.. I hope you are right though, if indeed it is only fringe, it has grown undoubtedly.. having literally all media, all the power of big tech, as well as all universities.. it’s been pushed hard, and devoured by these younger generations, and not so young as well.. I checked out the stats and my own age group are sadly a major factor.. I was shocked. I’m in my early 40s.. I was what I’d consider an anomaly being raised old school by a father born in 1945, he himself was old school for his generation anyway, grew up on a farm in the back woods of the Midwest, and I was a progressive as an early adult, teens and twenties.. despite that I still had my core middle and right perspectives, I attempt to remain middle right.. despite the dems and republicans both are asinine. I’ve come to the conclusion over and over again in my life that our system and society are broken, we cannot vote our way to justice or for our freedoms.. if this regime/cabal can achieve its goals without firing a shot.. they will, however they will gladly fire as well.. I feel it is inevitable that catastrophic suffering is going to take place before any of this is over.. our society seems to demand it.

  • Felisha Hauswirth
    Felisha Hauswirth 10 ай бұрын +9

    awesome, totally awesome. Thank you so much for the intelligent and well articulated conversation. The world needs to hear this!

  • Lars Andersen
    Lars Andersen 10 ай бұрын +14

    Keep up the excellent work, both of you.

  • Jim Hallinsn
    Jim Hallinsn 9 ай бұрын +10

    Always a pleasure to hear these great minds in conversation,

  • MF Allen
    MF Allen 23 күн бұрын

    Can't believe I missed this when it came out! Two of the great thought-leaders of our time... I don't think I've ever had almost 2hr slip by so quickly, only to be left with "please do 10hr more!".
    I really think you two should have a monthly discussion. Douglas is one of the greatest orators since Hitchens, with a rapists' wit and razor-tongue to match. Brilliant discussion guys! I'm off to buy "War on the West" this moment.

  • Michael O'Donoghue
    Michael O'Donoghue 2 ай бұрын +2

    Fantastic podcast Peter and Douglas, You both touched on some fundamental points of great importance, and I particularly appreciated the original point Douglas made in reminding us that if those who reject our culture and those who founded it, we have the perfect right to reject theirs in return. Wonderful stuff.

  • Jeremiah M
    Jeremiah M 10 ай бұрын +352

    Douglas Murray is a brilliant and brave man. This attack on Western European culture needs to end before everyone is consumed by the flames of nihilism.

    • Sazzaroug Sazzaroug
      Sazzaroug Sazzaroug 8 ай бұрын

      Dr. Peterson I just saw your lecture in Cambridge. Where one gets his or her courage from being afraid from not being truthful. I think that Douglass doesn't understand that the people that come from other than the west are and were angry to all the atrocities that occurred throughout history not just slavery. Those people are waiting for some type of recognition of their sufferings and the sufferings of their ancestors. Therefore the bases for reconciliation. Meanwhile the sufferings still continue in different forms. Therefore, those people are still waiting for some type of recognition and true reconciliation. Not as a condescending relationship between the west and others.

    • Myles
      Myles 9 ай бұрын

      @Manuel Valderrama yep

    • Sammy Bolton
      Sammy Bolton 10 ай бұрын

      @Damien Rafalowski just words used to fill up pages and sell to the masses.

  • samuraijaydee
    samuraijaydee 3 ай бұрын +2

    This is such a brilliant conversation. Thank you men. I was particularly touched by the thoughts on resentment and it's danger to ourselves and each other. It was also nice to hear someone else saying that there was a limit to the politeness people can show to how they are framed. I've always thought that the people 'defending' minority (probably for their own self aggrandising) would ultimately cause a lot of harm to the people they're 'trying' to help if the majority gets sick of all the self flagellating we're expected to do these days.

  • Harvey Pillor
    Harvey Pillor 5 ай бұрын +3

    Thank you both. Always a good listen with either of you and extra special to have you both take on a topic. Thank you so much. God bless.

  • S Baumgartner
    S Baumgartner 5 ай бұрын +4

    I read Douglas's books "The Strange Death of Europe" and "The Madness of Crowds". IMO he really nails what's happening around us. I haven't read The War on the West yet, but now that I've listened to this video, I will as what he said really resonates with me. However, I wasn't convinced that Jordan felt the same, at least not as much as I would have thought he would.

  • A C
    A C 3 ай бұрын +12

    A brilliant conversation

  • Jim W.
    Jim W. 9 ай бұрын +5

    I could listen to these guys all day.....
    How refreshing to listen to such intelligent, thoughtful, erudite discussions.
    Oh that our current crop of politicians were only half as smart.
    The world is being run (into the ground) by ideological spouting idiots who hunger for power - not knowledge.

  • Sharon Albanese
    Sharon Albanese 10 ай бұрын +434

    We are incredibly blessed to live in an era where we have access to conversations like this one.

    • Suzie
      Suzie 4 ай бұрын +1

      @Sigma 34 have you ever read gearge Orwell??

    • Maura C4
      Maura C4 5 ай бұрын

      This is the gratitude Murray recommends. Bravo!

    • Harry Molyneux
      Harry Molyneux 10 ай бұрын +2

      But damned that these conversations need to be had.

  • Isa Borg
    Isa Borg 10 ай бұрын +6

    Just an amazing conversation, and yet, agree on the depressing issue without discharging the idea that what is under discussion, can be the bigger wake up we can all need. Thank you.

  • Jamie Holmes
    Jamie Holmes Ай бұрын

    I love all your talks. Thank you for your contributions to humanity. Your a great man Jordan.

  • William Van Niekerk
    William Van Niekerk 2 ай бұрын

    What an incredible conversation. Thank you Douglas and Jordan!

  • The Technocrat
    The Technocrat 7 ай бұрын +4

    2 of my favourite people discussing a vital topic of our times.

  • The Penster
    The Penster 8 ай бұрын +6

    His book is so insightful! I’m so glad Jordan spoke with him.

  • J. Lawton
    J. Lawton 10 ай бұрын +239

    Whenever I listen to brilliant conversations like this it makes me realize that I am surrounded by willfully ignorant people

    • S Baumgartner
      S Baumgartner 5 ай бұрын

      J. Lawton, yes it's very frightening. I feel the same. One benefit of the internet is that we now have the ability to plug into people like Douglas and Jordan.

    • Tyler Peel
      Tyler Peel 6 ай бұрын

      As are many of us...

    • BigBore 44
      BigBore 44 6 ай бұрын +3

      @diane TM But that can change. Ignorance is nothing more than a lack of knowledge. It is not the same as stupidity, though they are often misconstrued as the same.

    • diane TM
      diane TM 7 ай бұрын +1

      I listen and think…man, I’m ignorant! 🥹

    • The Beany Mac
      The Beany Mac 8 ай бұрын

      Being silent is far more interesting than I thought it would be. And much less irritating too.

  • clint, clinton for short bonser
    clint, clinton for short bonser 6 ай бұрын +4

    Love you douglas, keep speaking and being a good human being!

  • Wjjz 890
    Wjjz 890 9 ай бұрын +8

    So enlightening. Thank you gentlemen...brilliant and positive imo as it appears the awakening brings hope.

  • Anne-Marie Willingham
    Anne-Marie Willingham 3 ай бұрын

    I am delighted with this discussion It’s given me food for thought , thank you both

  • G.D. Man
    G.D. Man 21 күн бұрын

    What a great interview,thanks for sharing 🙏

  • Adrian Clarke
    Adrian Clarke 9 ай бұрын +4

    It's great to see a sensible discussion, between 2 intelligent people.

  • C S
    C S 10 ай бұрын +302

    We, Great Britain have a thousand years of history I said to my university lecturer when discussing the EU, he replied - What is history. My heart dropped. I walked away remembering my Grandfather who died in agony from mustard gas and went blind for this country his country. I am way past politeness. Thank you for speaking of your dear friend Roger Scruton. I listen to him and learn so much. I’m grateful for those who gave so much for those who were alive at the time and those yet to be born. Me, my father and millions of us.

    • Olive Oil
      Olive Oil 11 күн бұрын

      As a person of Hungarian /Austrian decent with a history just as lengthy and rich I had a grandfather who fought in WW1 and was taken as a prisoner of war, shot and left for dead . Fortunately he was only grazed and miraculously recovered after hiding in a barn of some decent and kind Russian peasants. My grandparents were kind, gracious loving people who also suffered (starvation, violence) during the war and eventually emigrated to Canada. I married a man of British decent and we have forged a happy life together for 38 years. Our grandmothers used to sit together at Christmas holding hands humming carols in their own respect languages. We have encouraged our children to respect and cherish both sides of their cultural heritage. We have visited my husbands and my ancestral roots. How we ever descended into the hell of these wars is mind boggling! I blame the propaganda of the time but suppose its more complicated. BTW although not everyone got along in our families I grew to love, cherish and respect my husband ‘s dear and proper British nana as my husband grew to love my bold, strong and colourful grandmother. As simplistic as it may sound although we come from very different cultures which were at odds with each other at certain periods of history love is what heals and binds. I am grateful!

    • Denise Bond
      Denise Bond 5 ай бұрын

      @The Beany Mac they need more than that ......but it's against the law

  • DeadArmed
    DeadArmed 9 ай бұрын +9

    I think the reasons Mr. Murray or Dr. Peterson are so popular is they can articulate things that many people see but can't describe. They also do it with a dry wit and brilliant vocabulary!

  • PuggiTheGreat
    PuggiTheGreat 6 ай бұрын +1

    Two of my favourite western intellectuals here, wonderful and God bless both of them.

  • Carl Kelly
    Carl Kelly 5 ай бұрын

    Brilliant discussion between two contemporary intellectuals. Loved it.

  • Rudy
    Rudy 2 ай бұрын

    Powerful conversation, to say the least. It's amazing to see such savage topics refined. Douglas, your transparency is truly respected...Jordan you're a true winner, never quit! At the very least, we can now be grateful that these discussions are possible. Sigh

  • curr c
    curr c 9 ай бұрын +3

    I'm so glad you addressed the why. I haven't finished the video but I will add with great sadness that it's not only the resentment of small men/women that is destroying the world, but it's absolute hatred of the good. And because of that we are losing everything in the West that was given us from the good. Soon it will be the bad and only the bad. And you're right about gratitude, it's the next best thing to truth.

  • Janine Maldonado
    Janine Maldonado 10 ай бұрын +308

    I have learned so much from Jordan Peterson and his talks, I can't believe how asleep I have been for 55 years, thank you for the history and all your work. I am learning things I have never been taught in all my life.

    • Bri Jam
      Bri Jam 10 ай бұрын

      I’m thankful I grew up with my mom being a heavy researcher / historian.
      It’s better late than never. This is a good spot to be 👍🏼

    • Karen Thompson
      Karen Thompson 10 ай бұрын

      Learning is beautiful

    • DeadReckoning
      DeadReckoning 10 ай бұрын +1

      The "education system" will never teach the most important things we need to learn.

    • Stephen Uhe
      Stephen Uhe 10 ай бұрын

      So glad I found J.P. videos. Ty.

    • Henry Masters
      Henry Masters 10 ай бұрын +9

      Ya love to see it. I found JBP and shared his work with my parents. They love him as well now. It's like you can look back on the past with eagle eyes after learning little lessons from him and you think, how did I not see that coming?!

  • Richard Gould
    Richard Gould Ай бұрын

    One of the most interesting episodes of anything in a while.
    The world needs to listen to it, doubt it will though...

  • Veni Vidi Amavi
    Veni Vidi Amavi 9 ай бұрын +5

    Two of my favorite modern day intellectuals ❤️

  • darmy713
    darmy713 9 ай бұрын +3

    These two men need to be preserved and protected at all costs.

  • C Lamb
    C Lamb 10 ай бұрын +3

    Douglas, wonderful interview. Thank you so much for your words and your work. Thank you also Jordan for the same. Please keep speaking out.

  • Alexa Rutherford
    Alexa Rutherford 2 ай бұрын

    What a duo. I regard them as national (and international) treasures.
    We all sin.
    Forgiveness, grace and compassion are a way forward though.
    You don’t have to change the world, but with those 3 things, you can do much good for many of those around you and for future generations.

  • pur suit
    pur suit 10 ай бұрын +140

    I am grateful that I was not sooo deeply rooted in resentment that I was unwilling to listen to Jordan and understand my own role in my suffering. I am a much happier person having come to terms with that and aiming myself in the direction of truth and love. Thank you to both of you for your work, and especially Jordan for vocalizing what I needed to hear that I could not vocalize myself.

    • Pierre labounty
      Pierre labounty Ай бұрын +1

      Yes, Jordan says things in a vary articulate way . Great gift. His discussion o suffering I could feel, and was so helpful. Someone else knows...Good guests too. Just a decent forum of podcasts. Enriching.

    • Jasper on XBL
      Jasper on XBL Ай бұрын +1

      You are so right, I share the same experience. I’m so glad I was aware enough about holding onto resentment and causing my own suffering. We are our own worst enemy at times! Take care!

    • Little_Wonderer
      Little_Wonderer 5 ай бұрын +4

      Dr. Peterson always astonishes me with his ability to articulate everything I can't say on my own.

  • _Scabs
    _Scabs 10 ай бұрын +4

    The bit that ends at about 1:18:00 was extremely moving. Good on you Jordan for allowing him to continue to speak as the sirens wail in the background

  • cyndi afflerbach
    cyndi afflerbach 2 ай бұрын

    I appreciate the math theory, as I had 2 sons out of 3, who could finish problems in their heads and get in trouble because they didn’t show their work, yet the answer was correct. It seemed they were simply being held back from their true potential because of curriculum.

  • Cindy Bogart
    Cindy Bogart 9 ай бұрын +4

    These two together…. How can you not want to hear what they say! They are both so intelligent in every area!

  • Norman Knight
    Norman Knight 5 ай бұрын

    I absolutely agree with the gratitude sentiment, we always have so much to feel gratitude for yet there is likewise so much distracting us from feeling it. The most transcendent moment of my life was an intense feeling of gratitude, true gratitude, I have had so little reason to feel it, yet I must try not to focus on reasons to feel resentful. Also though, it is a balance, what must it feel like to feel exultant, standing over the corpse of the thing which had been such a torment.

  • Paul Liebman
    Paul Liebman 5 ай бұрын

    👍🏻Incredible discussion, distillation and explication of what is currently going on. Thank you.

  • Logan Ramsey
    Logan Ramsey 10 ай бұрын +300

    You gentleman give a young man with no future such as myself a tiny ray of hope in this dark, scary time. Thank you for talking about the things that nobody else seems to be talking about. Thank you for speaking the truth, and asking the questions everyone else is too afraid to ask.

    • Aaron Tyler
      Aaron Tyler 10 ай бұрын

      The fact that you have arrived at a conversation such as this one belies your bleak understanding of your future self. Today is the first day of the rest of your life. Be well.

    • wonbadood
      wonbadood 10 ай бұрын

      Your "Name" begs questions. Is your name Ger Reven? Dont Panic! (it does no good for anyone) I grew up in the generation of, not if but when a nuclear war would happen in the near future 40 yrs ago.
      Regarding the title of this conversation, "what about the war on Rus?" Minsk Agreement and others anyone? JP has lost a lot of favour recently imo. He's not necessarly wrong in what he's saying but he's avoiding BS19 scam big time. For what? I took his recommendations to read Gulag Archiplego and Ordinary Men. It doesn't fit with what JP is now saying. Shhhhh!

    • Borntooearly
      Borntooearly 10 ай бұрын

      @Peter Richards This feels a little delusional and out of touch, i'm sorry. Sounds like someone who has not gone an experienced much of the world, instead spends too much time in the social media worlds.

    • Peter Richards
      Peter Richards 10 ай бұрын +2

      The very fact that so many young people on the political left are absurdly lazy gives someone like you serious hope, since only working at things will allow you to rise above them.

    • Ron Fox
      Ron Fox 10 ай бұрын

      Nobody has no future.
      These are very uncertian times for sure, and the future may turn out to be bad. Thats no excuse to be defeatist, especilly if you choose to continue living.
      Life is precious. No matter how many bitter hippies tell you otherwise.

  • Drake Peppers
    Drake Peppers 21 күн бұрын

    Douglas' bit about historical perspective toward the end is BRILLIANT!!

  • John Neighbors
    John Neighbors 6 ай бұрын +1

    Thank you J.P that was an excellent talk between two of my favorite people

  • Paolo paolo
    Paolo paolo 2 ай бұрын

    We are fortunate that people like you exist thank you

  • Tamsen Templeman
    Tamsen Templeman 9 ай бұрын +2

    The astonishing minutia these people resort to in order to project their outrage and effect altering society is breathtaking. This has been a most intriguing discussion. I consider myself very lucky to have had the good fortune to have listened to you today.

  • Suzanne The Patriot
    Suzanne The Patriot 7 ай бұрын +3

    My IQ always goes up a notch listening to Douglas and Jordan

  • David_60
    David_60 10 ай бұрын +245

    Murray has now become the clearest voice in saying what needs to be said. A powerful force for getting us back on course.

  • n bo
    n bo 8 ай бұрын

    Great discussion. Please air this everyday, everywhere.

  • Donald Royal
    Donald Royal 8 ай бұрын +1

    I have seen first hand at the hospital i work at of people ripping at closed wounds. Really interesting. The idea of gratitude being the answer to resentment was originally shown to me in the anime Hunter X Hunter. The character who is the strongest in will has gratitude for all things even his enemys. It was really eye opening.

  • Des Robinson
    Des Robinson 27 күн бұрын

    This is one of your best talks yet I've listened to, as I see all the emotional spectrum locked into people all around me , I was like this but now , now I feel like an analogy is apt here to start/finish on. What kind of spirt would you say best describes you ????? Me I'm a wildlife park if the park was the free world. Much love.

  • ian archer
    ian archer 10 ай бұрын +2

    Thanks for bringing together so many pieces of the jigsaw and clarifying them so that that fit together so much better, clearly demonstrating so much of what is going on in society here in Britain and around the world. Arch.

  • Right Brain
    Right Brain 9 ай бұрын +1

    We need more people like Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray. Picking up a copy!

  • Don West
    Don West 10 ай бұрын +462

    "If you won't respect my ancestors, my culture, and my history - then why should I respect yours?!"
    Indeed, every single Canadian of European heritage needs to hear and understand these words. I will no longer accept this disrespect coming from anyone. If I lose a few "friends" or family members - then so be it!

    • Damien Rafalowski
      Damien Rafalowski 5 ай бұрын

      @Denise Bond I know. A lot of western culture actually has roots in western asia and north africa. Still considered part of western civilization. Don't see how that impacts anything I said.

    • Denise Bond
      Denise Bond 5 ай бұрын

      @Damien Rafalowski Islam and Christianity ...both came from middle East ..not west

    • Denise Bond
      Denise Bond 5 ай бұрын

      @R N I think you should look at Indian history ..Islam and the mongols from Asia the grandsons on ghensus khan ruled India ....I think you cherry pick who you blame

    • Liriel HotShoot
      Liriel HotShoot 6 ай бұрын

      @Don West I have to chime in here. How many Polish jokes exist because they rode out on horseback to fight an army in tanks threatening their soil? A whole lot... I am proud af of my people though. They are very cool and quiet right up until the shit hits the fan. Then they release the tiger or die trying.

    • DJ Knox
      DJ Knox 8 ай бұрын

      @Elk Paz Fair enough. Note I never said that all advancements in medicine and technology are beneficial. In fact there is a trend today to use technology for non-beneficial purposes.

  • Dave
    Dave 15 күн бұрын +1

    Excellent discussion. I’m surprised that no mention was made of Pol Pot’s “the Year Zero”. It’s an uncanny parallel to the current attempt at erasure of the history of the West.

  • Sarah BeFrank.
    Sarah BeFrank. 14 күн бұрын

    Great conversation gentlemen thank you so much.😊
    Jorden, your audio is something to be desired in this one especially near then end when it sounds like your in the middle of a bottle depot! 😅

  • Victoriah Higman
    Victoriah Higman Ай бұрын +1

    We can refuse to subscribe to the narrative. Just quietly if it’s dangerous to say it aloud. These two men are brave to be vocal in public. I feel armed with relevant arguments. Thank you

  • Virginia Taylor
    Virginia Taylor 6 ай бұрын

    Well done, & said. I've enjoyed this immensely, feel much enlightened.

  • John Winchcombe
    John Winchcombe 9 ай бұрын +2

    thank god for Peterson and Murray. thank god for them being bothered to use and share their intellectual and communication skills on such topics. thank god for their ability to express such elegant good sense.

  • Red State Monster
    Red State Monster 11 ай бұрын +348

    Brilliant episode. I can never get enough of Douglas Murray.

    • Manuel Valderrama
      Manuel Valderrama 10 ай бұрын +2

      @Gordon Freeman Douglas Murray correctly and consistently points out how it is mainstream to be highly critical of the Judeo Christian west; but other cultures and philosophies get a pass.

    • Gordon Freeman
      Gordon Freeman 10 ай бұрын

      @Andy K 😂😂😂😂

    • Claudia
      Claudia 10 ай бұрын +2

      @Andrew Mckenzie And Megyn Kelly 👍

    • Andy K
      Andy K 10 ай бұрын


  • K.L. Hollister
    K.L. Hollister 4 ай бұрын +5

    I am so sick of hearing how racist I am just because of my skin color. I grew up in Oregon which is not a racist place. I had zero idea of racism until I attended college in Waco, Texas where I was shocked by the way I was treated by black people. I remember my first week there I went to the movie theater and when we were leaving after the movie, a group of black girls yelled “white bitches” at us as we walked by. There was one black girl on my dorm floor as a freshmen. She was from Washington, another very non racist place, she and I were good friends our first semester. She went through rush and joined an all black sorority the first week of second semester. Within a couple of weeks she totally changed. She would not speak to any of her white friends anymore. It was so bizarre. She went from being a normal acting friend to a hateful, angry person towards all of us on her dorm floor. It’s very sad. I know I did not understand what they had experienced in the South, but, it seemed completely irrational to me. How does a person hate another person simply because their skin color is different. I will never forget that experience. I have always wondered what she was told to make her turn on friends because of their skin color.

    • Jade Singleton
      Jade Singleton 18 күн бұрын

      If you think there is no racism in Oregon no one can help you.

  • Tom T
    Tom T 14 күн бұрын

    This is a great conversation

  • Xycap
    Xycap 9 ай бұрын

    Listening to two of the greatest minds of our time mingling and moulding their philosophical convictions against the others, whatever the subject or if the focus this time is Murrays upcoming book... is a calibration and cleansing of our own mind. An hours long soul shower... Should be part of any western curriculum.

  • Green Hornet
    Green Hornet 7 ай бұрын +1

    Murray has given me a new appreciation for the term "tragicomedy." Thank you both, seers of the world.

  • Ry1337
    Ry1337 5 ай бұрын +2

    Douglas is another level

  • David Erichsen
    David Erichsen 10 ай бұрын +339

    It's good to see that by researching his new book, Murray has broadened his perspective on slavery. In past interviews re BLM, the 2020 riots, etc. he has seemed to allude to slavery as being a particularly American issue. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sadly, it has been a worldwide phenomenon for thousands of year. As Thomas Sowell points out, there were more Europeans enslaved by the Barbary Pirates than the total number of African slaves in America. Indeed, it is the west, and particularly the UK and the USA, which has done more to end worldwide slavery than any other culture.

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    • Fixed Face
      Fixed Face 10 ай бұрын

      @John Malcolm you are repeating yourself

    • John Malcolm
      John Malcolm 10 ай бұрын

      @Fixed Face Opinions are guesses. Peterson does not target an audience. You are on his channel. That puts you in the audience. If you have nothing to say about any specific point, but talk instead about your opinion of who is saying it, you are trolling.

  • Scott Wiegand
    Scott Wiegand 8 ай бұрын

    Thank you, so very much, for your efforts, gentlemen. So appreciate your dialogue. Carry on, and Godspeed.

  • Eva Wild
    Eva Wild 3 ай бұрын +8

    30 years ago I noticed that Rhode Island’s policy of equity just meant that EVERYone at the DMV was being treated like something stuck to your shoe. Envy does not breed a striving hunger for success, more like schadenfreude. I’d like to see an assessment of individual abilities to compete in their field correlated with the spirit of Cain or Abel. I think it doesn’t matter what level of education or vocation, the mediocre have a stake in others’ being torn down.

  • Saffy Janes
    Saffy Janes 9 ай бұрын +6

    Before I watched this video a month or so ago, I wanted to burn it all down. I was a victim. It only took this one 2 hour conversation between these two men to find what I needed and to let go of all that shit and appreciate and feel amazing for being part of the history of my culture. I have been infinitely more productive since I watched this as I now know that if I want things to be better, its on me to make it so, rather than wanting to just burn it all. So I am on my second time watching this video and got to the bit about gratitude and wanted to let you both know how grateful I am that I found this conversations. Its been a paradigm shift in my life and I haven't been this full of life for years. Thank you.

  • Xzendor7
    Xzendor7 10 ай бұрын

    An Excellent Discussion; and I agree the stupidity of the train of thought pushed forward by these so called radicals also makes one laugh; and it would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous. Good Luck To You Both, in your effort to wake people up to what is going on.

  • GEM
    GEM 8 ай бұрын +1

    About the “how dare you” segment, 3/4 of the way through, and said by Douglas Murray, all I can say is: ITS ABOUT TIME someone said it loud and clear. This is the stance we should all have going forward!!

  • Anton Chigurh
    Anton Chigurh 10 ай бұрын +190

    In a long line of important and interesting podcasts from Jordan Peterson, this one ranks up there as one of the the most important to listen to. Absolutely brilliant.

    • U T V
      U T V 8 ай бұрын

      I've had more important farts 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • Piers Hartley
      Piers Hartley 10 ай бұрын

      You're right, book marketing is a lot better than his usual babble.

  • Laurel Pearse
    Laurel Pearse 8 ай бұрын +1

    Happy to hear sanity and intelligence so rare these days.

  • Deziderious
    Deziderious 7 ай бұрын +2

    I just cracked up when he says "Do we beat China?"! 😂😂😂