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Duramax vs Cummins: The Ram 2500 And Chevy Silverado 2500 Take On The World's Toughest Towing Test!
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Love that you are towing an RV up the mountain! It's much more relatable to the community!!
@scottyDOESNTknow noooooo, they are not when towing. Towing a 12k non-aerodynamic tall brick(RV) can be much worse than towing a flat trailer at 18k that sits very low and below the aerodynamics of a HD truck...
And not everyone is towing 18000lb at 70mph.
In Australia we tow around 6000-8000lb trailers/campers at 60-65 mph.
This test is more relatable for many.
Except that rvs pull like parachutes
Mass is mass. Water, metal, plastic. A pound of feathers is the same as a pound of lead.
Great to see Mr Truck. He really adds some personality and makes it more fun to watch.
Mr. Truck and Nathan would be best duo....
@alanj Thanks guy, Tommy is coming along, he will be a star. He might replace Andre.
Agreed. I’m sick of Tommy!!
I have owned many Ram trucks with the cummins, they are great no doubt, but I now own a 2021 3500 Denali and I really like the 10 speed up or down hill, but I have found as others have mentioned.. the CRUISE control is the way to go, the truck just takes over and does its thing up or down hill, even with 4 times the weight of this test. The exhaust brake and tranny work together automagically! Its actually similar to driving a newer semi this way.
@That 90s show sorry 10L80 isnt the same as the HD 10L1000 behind duramax, kiddo. Ford had not one had in that one bud
@That 90s show sorry 10L80 isnt the same as the HD 10L1000 behind duramax, kiddo. Ford had not one had in that one bud.
@William Sevier Ford designed the 10 speed Longitude and gm designed the 9 speed transverse as a joint effort. Honestly I think Ford just wanted the Allison name and this was the easiest way to get it.
@That 90s show Ford and GM worked together to build that 10 speed if I'm not mistaken?
You can thank ford for making that transmission kiddo
These Ike and towing tests are still my favorite videos you guys do!
Thanks, we have fun
I like the exhaust brake on the Ram it sure took care of business. Now days you pretty much can’t go wrong with any of the heavy duties from the big 3. For me it is price and options for what I need to tow.
@Emd=mc^2 yes but these emissions are still shit because they cause a diesel to run hot which causes them to wear out faster and get worse mpg and loose power. Diesels love to run cool when they’re deleted.
@Emd=mc^2 , you are 100% correct. Those that claim that they drive correctly can't produce evidence that they do. To many clueless diesel owners that have not opened their owners manual, but claim they drive correctly.
For gas I go ford, no other option IMO for a gas heavy duty, the other two are way better with diesels though. I'd prefer the duramax for the IFS, but the ram is definitely good with that cummins
@4runnerColorado Emissions systems only work right at proper operating temperature. Since diesels need to be driven longer and harder to reach and maintain proper temps, a typical light duty, non-commercial driver simply doesn't drive them long or hard enough for the emissions systems do their job. That's when DPF and EGR systems get clogged, or when things carbon up and stop working correctly. This explains the overwhelming majority of issues with emissions system.
The second biggest cause of emissions system issues is fuel quality and maintenance. Low quality fuel and lack of maintenance will kill emissions systems. Again, that's down to the person who runs the thing.
A lesser issues is proper winterization, but again, that's dependent on the guy who runs the thing.
That Cummins is a beast! Even teamed up with Chrysler's antiquated 68RFE it beats the Chevrolet in efficiency. Imagine how well it could do with a modern 8 or 10 speed. 6 in a row ready to tow!
@Kenneth Stephens Aisan's are an excellent trans, Landcruiser, Nissan Patrols, Mitsibishi, Pajero, (Montero etc) Isuzu pick-ups, transfer virtually always if serviced and cooled appropriately for load conditions outlive the engine here in Australia, there is a better Australian hitch IMHO than the one you'using, and it called a McHitch, full roll over utilising a Landcruiser universal joint and quic and easy hitch up.
Roll over heavy duty hiches very common here in harsh outback conditions for our trailers that run often full independent coil suspension although for reliability and ease of repair in the field the 'roller rocker" type leaf suspension still popular .
@That 90s show real Allison if I was giving them advice.
The cummins is over rated and dodge has nothing to do with it
@Rich Farfugnuven ram can't make anything so where are they going to get a 10 speed?
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I love Mr Truck/ Andre Ike Gauntlet videos. Please keep this team together.
Mr. Truck and Nathan are best duo.
@MrTruck When are you guys going to do what everybody wants to see?
F150, Tundra, Ram 1500, Silverado on IKE GAUNTLET?
All we have now is single tow or at best 2 cars towing. A video for everybody who tows daily. So we can finally have a good MPG and power comparison with the same trucks and the same engines.
The gas and the hybrids separated. Because gas vs hybrid videos we already have. But not the big 4 vs each other on the same day in the same circumstances.
Preferably WITHOUT off road packages. Cattle haulers and people with 5th wheels usually don't leave highways.
You are more and more about off roading, but majority of North America never leave tarmac/paved roads. And if, then it's just a dirt road to a parking space at a mountain bike park or something
The Chevy exhaust brake works great with CRUISE CONTROL. it will modulate the exhaust on its own.
I own a 2017 Chevy Duramax and 2018 Ram Cummins. There is no comparison in the ride. The Chevy rides a lot smoother. The Duramax exhaust brake works great for me. I cross a mountain pulling 7000 lbs daily. At 107000 miles, it still has the original brake pads. The Cummins exhaust is more aggressive and holds back great. Pulling the same trailer, the Ram will down shift more often. It's hard to beat the Allison transmission. This is coming from someone who owns and drives both pulling trailers.
If you don't want to use cruise you can also control it using slight brake application not to completely slow the truck but to tell the exuast to apply more. Or cruise does the same thing because it know what spped you want to be at if you don't use cruise or apply brake yourself obviously the truck doesn't know your desired speed.
Exactly. Use the cruise control. That is how they are designed to work, and they work great. Toggling the engine brake switch is just dumb.
Exactly set the cruise on a chevy and its fully automatic down hill
My husband and I really enjoy your channels. You do a great, fair job on your tests and comparisons . You address real life scenarios and concerns. The one test we haven’t seen yet is carrying as opposed to towing. Have you/will you do any slide-in camper comparisons? It would be interesting to see how the “big three” stack up against each other carrying a medium and big (tip outs) camper, not only in the standard categories you test but also the handling. Keep up the great videos!
Great video! Confused as to why you don’t want to use cruise control though. With the Ram, you said you wanted 60 MPH, but got it up to 63 on the speedo. (Hence the faster time for the Ram when neither truck required full throttle to maintain the speed uphill. Realistically their times would be identical, other than driver input differences…..)
For the Duramax, I’m guessing it would have had zero brake applications as well, given the brake actually “worked too well” and kept slowing it down too much without throttle input. It would appear that had you set the cruise, it would have just held that speed down the hill, also matching the zero brake applications.
Real world towing, putting in the cruise control and letting the transmission & exhaust brake take care of everything on autopilot seems like a great option.
I agree that it would be best for them to use every option available to do their tests, but they decided a long time ago to not use CC and they stuck to this again. The difference between the two on the downhill was simply that the Chevy did not auto engage the exhaust brake by lifting off the "gas" pedal, while the Ram did. That's why it did not required Ada single brake application while the Chevy needed that one brake application to activate.
I don’t know if the Chevy will brake in its own but the Ram will, and you don’t know it’s doing it. A few years ago the dually had a zero brake run but it was determined that the truck was braking on its own.
@GMCJay_lly Jason Heinrich I guess individual experiences may vary. I had a 2015 Denali dually and towed a huge fifth wheel across the Rockies in Canada from Alberta and then out to Vancouver Island. Near Osoyoos there are mountains that would rival the Ike Gauntlet for grade and be similar for altitude. I used cruise control quite a lot and found that with the exhaust brake, everything was fine coming down, and the truck kept up just fine dragging 16,000 pounds up steep mountains in 100 degree heat.
I just replaced it with a 2021 Denali 2500, almost identical to the Chevy in this test and wouldn’t expect any different, other than potentially not being as stable with it being SRW vs a dually.
The Duramax and the Allison 6-speed I had were a dream team on cruise. And I cannot wait to try out the Allison branded 10-speed in my new ride.
Cruise control sucks in the mountains
very impressed with the exhaust brake on the ram. i've never owned a diesel truck but i'm getting closer and closer to just ponying up and doing it haha.
Not a scam.
You can drive it home after full payment
Or..... send a transport truck after full payment.
Or .... I can drive the truck to you, after full payment.
Just like all other vendors in the world 🌎.
Do you think 🤔 ..... it fair that I drive 1,500 miles to your house 🏠, and you say I changed my mind????,
Then I drive back home.
No delete , All Factory emissions are in place.
@Billy Williams After full payment? Lmao what a scam
@BBBYpsi did you do a full exhaust and def delete?
Love that you towed a rv up the mountain, as I'm sure a lot of these trucks will be used for just that. Although it's a fraction of their towing capacity. Seems I've never seen a 3 way super ike between the big 3 with the 2500 diesels. I'd love to see this test with 15,000+ lb trailers!
@BBBYpsi The load that I was explaining I have to haul 4 times a year. It's pretty much max. And you have to be careful in loading the trailer not to get too much tongue weight. The real point is, I want to see a super Ike battle, with the ¾ tons maxed out. This trailer was only 7000lbs. A half ton could pull 7000 up the mountain. They always do ½ ton Ike gauntlets, and 1 tons pulling 30,000. But they've never done a battle between the big 3 with ¾ tons maxed out. Mr. Truck and now Andre both have a CDL. They could do it.
@suspecttrigger You totally missed what I was saying. Yes you are under the 26,000 GVWR but it is the truck that will be over the GVWR of 10,500 lbs. It adds 20% not 15% to the weight of the truck. Before you tell me I do not know what I am talking about, I am in the industry & haul trailers for a living. My Truck I bought back in 2012 now has over 1 Million miles on it from hauling trailers. So if your GVWR on your truck is 10,500 lbs & your truck with just you in it weighs 8,200 lbs this allows for another 2300 lbs total to be added to your truck. With a 5th wheel weighing at least 13,000 lbs at 20% adds at least 2600 lbs to weight of the truck which puts your truck over the 10,500 GVWR. That is what is technocoly illegal. Will DOT ever check it? Do not think so. My truck a ram 3500 dually 4 x 4 with the equipment in it to haul weighs just over 10,000 lbs & the GVWR is at 12,200 lbs. So hauling a bigger 5th wheel would make me technocally illegal.
@BBBYpsi my 15.9k trailer weighs 3360 lbs. (Custom trailer, with derated to 15100 gvrw to keep us under 26,000 gvrw total) Like I said, I don't need to see them tow THAT trailer. I want to see a trailer nearer to 15,000 than 7000. 26000gvwr minus 10850 leaves a gvwr of 15000 with some wiggle room.
So, if my trailer is 15,000 gvrw and weighs 3360, I can easily put 12,000 lbs on it, making the total trailer weight 15,000 lbs. Which would put you over the trailer gvwr. BUT, 15% of the weight is tongue weight, so it is on the truck. Not the trailer axles. So, on the scale, the trailer weight shows about 13,000. The truck at 15% tongue weight shows approximately 10,500. And total weight is about 23,500. Now, please tell me where I'm illegal?
@suspecttrigger Then you are illegal with that 15,000 GVWR trailer. It probably weighs 13,500 dry weight. So that alone will put your truck weight at 10,900 lbs. Now add any equipment & other things you are taking with you camping. Not many people know this. To get this weight you add the weight of the trailer which will put at least 20% added weight to the truck weight.
@BBBYpsi 8200 with me in it. But I need to go on a diet.
Cummins would be a true beast with that Allison 10 speed behind it. Love the air suspension too..I tow with a 18' Duramax 70 hrs a week and at 97k miles and have yet to have to do anything beyond basic service and maintenance so far..Id like to have that kind of reliability until 200k especially at the cost these bad boys are running. Let's hope all the electronic stuff doesn't shyt the bed before that too. Thanks for the review gents.
Make sure you drive it like you stole it every so often to keep your dpf system happy. Those exhaust filters need the heat to break down the soot and it needs some full throttle pulls to clear it all out. If your filter is getting kinda clogged run it down the highway in a lesser gear then normal with high rpms to heat up up the exhaust. Then do a nice 0-60 pull to clear it out! This also helps stuff in the engine because of the egr and stuff making it so dirty
@Chad Nelson The Aisin does have more of a true medium duty truck shifting characteristics. Although not particularly refined they are incredibly stout. Only failure I can remember is when a bucket truck got stuck and they burnt up the trans trying to rock it out for an hour. That said the 68rfe used up to its (lesser) design limits has also been trouble free.
@RobShutt357 The Aisin shutter would disagree. they are Terrible at best. the reason I ditched mine and got a Chevy. was almost undrivable. Hard to believe that makes it to the dealers.
No such thing as an Allison 10 speed. They do not make one. GM makes a 10 speed and they call it an Allison branded transmission but it's not an Allison.
My Cummins has the Aisin transmission. It’s as good as the Allison.
What I didn't hear were any serious negatives. It would be nice and extremely helpful to see a 5, 8, and 10 year comparison.
That is directly due to my income level and the fact that I couldn't afford either truck until it was quite older. I'd want to know what the major expenses were for maintenance such as tune up cost or if either transmission failed, etc.
Both trucks are litterally decades ahead of what I'm driving today.
Love TFL and the test that are run in real life scenarios. Mr. Truck and Andre are a great pair! The MPG difference surprised me. I thought the Ram would get better MPG, but expected it to be only a couple of tenths. I'm not surprised that the Chevy was a little quieter since the Cummins does have a low growl. I have owned both and currently own a Ram. I liked both more than gas trucks and was happy with the DMax and also happy with the Cummins.
Thanks for the great content guys! It’s good to see you team up with Mr. Truck again.
@Wicked_RotF30 That would be fun
@MrTruck would love to see you and Nathan team more. Also really enjoyed you and Kelsey together!
Love the Ike test. Y’all really need something around 9500 lbs to make the 1/2 tons work climbing the Ike and maybe giving the HD trucks just a bit more of a challenge.
I’ve towed a 9500 lb toy hauler up that hill a few times with a 2018 F-150 3.5L ecoboost. I passed a couple cars once. One time I was about 10,500 lbs and it was a dog close to the top. I was doing about 35-40 mph. Going down that hill was crazy!! 60 mph in 3rd gear. RPM’s we’re screaming at about 4700. I don’t know how many times I had to brake. It was quite a few. I actually have a bunch of raw videos that I never edited for the whole trip up and down the mountain from Denver.
Love the channel, you guys are great. I’ve looked all over the channel and was wondering if you guys have ever tested the Lexus GX 460 on the Ike. I’m curious how it would do towing. I know it’s great off road, but can it tow. Thanks and keep up the great work.
I think that the one brake application tells the Chevy to maintain speed. Without touching the brake, the Chevy thinks you just want to coast.
Nice to see Mr. Truck and Andre making videos again!
Thanks, a good team
Loved the flow of this video! Great information too. I liked that the natural element put these tests more inline with how i would use one of these vehicles. Definitely not a “Lab” scenario.
Thanks. This tells me what my new one with the 6.4 and 3.73 gears would do under worst case scenario. I have a 3100 payload and a 15+K total capacity. It would do OK... I now run a 7K loaded TT with an 800ish tongue weight and I MAY be getting a fifth wheel at about a 1500 loaded "tongue" weight and 10ish loaded trailer. And so, I'm going to be good with what I got. I am not ever going to go near the weights you tried although I could have the Ike in my future. I am very intriqued with the GenY gooseneck hitch thing you had going there. I put the Road Armor suspension on my TT and am looking at a GenY solution for a WDH unless I go fifth wheel...as I do quite a few miles on Nat Forest roads going back to "hidden" places to camp. Dirt tends to keep the "riff raff" out but it is a bit hard on a trailer TT, fifth wheel or otherwise. And NO, I"m not telling you where these secret places are...here in Montana. I'm looking forward to it, I've done it like five times with two different trailers in my life and maybe 20 total. I've got a couple more in me.
i have a 2020 3500 duramax, in order for the exhaust brake to work correctly you need to set the cruise control. mine will hold 30,000lbs going downhill.
Cruise control is how they work. I don’t know why these guys can’t figure this out. Truck experts and all.
I just uploaded a couple short towing videos for anyone who is interested. I haven’t seen much heavy towing videos other than on TFLs channel.
I had a rotten day, but now I’m watching you two and (especially Mr. Truck) are making me think the day is ending fine!! Thanks Fellas!.
I’m a Ford guy, but I still prefer the Cummins vs the PowerStroke. The DuraMax has really been a decent and relatively powerful engine over the years. The current Duramax is a nice powertrain set up. The 3,000 lb payload is where it should be for today’s 3/4 ton trucks. As a work truck on the Ranch that was definitely a priority and the reason we went to using 1 ton trucks instead.
Still like the Cummins. To each their own. Ford is definitely the powerhouse of the 3,,,,,,, for now.
I appreciate that
Excellent explanation on exhaust vs engine brake. Would be neat if one of the big 3 put an actual engine brake in a diesel pickup truck. Odds are though, it would end up taking them too many attempts to get it right and they'd be paying out the @$$ in warranty repairs 😆
The Duramax basically has an engine brake...has had for years.. activated by the tow haul and light constant pressure on brake pedal and you'll go to heaven listening to the diesel
The Exhaust brake on the GM is meant to be used in conjunction with the cruise control. Otherwise it assumes you are trying to slow down all the way
@pr0n5tar you are talking about adaptive cruise, not standard cruise control. standard cruise control will NOT engage the brakes, period.
@jeff s You are correct, I have had adaptive cruise on so many vehicles now for years that I forgot that the standard cruise would not engage the service brakes.
Because it’s a stupid system that you can’t just set it and forget it, yes this used it wrong but the fact is still the ram is easier to use. More user friendly, easy you can argue you like Chevy more I won’t try to stop you but just swallow your pride for once as a Chevy guy and admit something. You never will, Chevy guys are like liberals they truly can’t admit when their truck isn’t the best
@crf4502 nope, cruise does not engage service brakes on any light duty trucks. It may force a downshift or control exhaust brake action, but doesn’t activate vehicle service brakes. Adaptive cruise in conjunction with collision avoidance will activate service brakes to attempt to keep you from crashing, but that’s not standard cruise control, either.
If you’re in cruise then the truck could apply breaks automatically. You wouldn’t know how it’s maintaining it speeds. I’m not saying it’s a bad idea but these guys could never tell you break applications needed
My opinion on gm is that you need to use Cruze control uphill or downhill because the Cruze down hill won’t let the speed get up much more than 3-4km/h before it grade shifts and engine breaks and on the up hill with the Cruze the engine will hold the throttle perfectly and never let of the throttle hence keeping turbo pressure. (Just my opinion)
If your not gonna use the Chevy auto system for downhill, Don’t use the Dodge auto system.
Set the cruise control to tell the Chevy what speed you want just like lifting off the go pedal in the Dodge.
If not then use the manual mode in the Dodge just like the Chevy has.
@D Tomko the Dodge (sic!) computer controlled speed limiting function? LOL. Really? You're butt hurt because the Chevy lost to the Ram. They followed their process. Now, if one truck DOES have some added new function that gives it superior performance over another truck that does not have it, despite being a lot cheaper, you're suggesting that's unfair and not a true comparison. That is hysterical, even though they did not do anything unfair. These guys call it like it is.
No, they didn’t use CC, but they did use the Dodge computer controlled speed limiting system which is a form of CC that the Chevy doesn’t have.
Make it an equal test.
They didn't use cruise control on the RAM or the Chevy. Same process for both.
Oh man.. You took the words right out of my mouth! Also I believe they should have pulled an RV a little heavier. A half ton could essentially pull that RV.
TFL! PLEASE! Include a turning radius test when you put these trucks head to head. The snow could of been fast and easy to do the test.
My 2019 F350's auto engine brake setting did the same thing as that "auto engine brake" does. My 2020 does it as well. These small diesel engine brakes work like this, the vanes on the turbo close down to increase the cylinder pressure(no fuel injected). If you run them hard down a long grade you may see the coolant temp rise(compressed air is hot). If I shut off my truck while in tow/haul, when I start it again it's asks me if I want to stay in tow/haul. Even two days later. I use the engine brake everytime I get in the truck. I've got 45k km on the truck and 85% brake pad life. It's only been in service 19 months and driven everyday. If you touch the brake pedal(one second of brake lights) the transmission will downshift one gear, it's more aggressive with tow/haul mode engaged.
Great video! I’ll be looking forward to the 2022 GMC 1500 3.0L Duramax with a 3.73 rear end that’s able to tow 13,000lbs. Would you guys be able to a video where you test two trucks that are almost identical except both have polar opposite rear ends? It would be interesting to see the results
Guys i think he was stating its rated at 13k
At lest get the full size 2500HD. If I I was was pulling 13,000 I would want a 3500hd.
If youre towing 13,000… get an HD.
I’ve owned both, RAM and Cheverolet, and to me both have individual strengths and weaknesses. RAM has always had the best Cruise control IMO, always keeping your speed within +/-3mph uphill or downhill. RAM has always had more ‘useful’ information systems. I like Chevrolet’s interiors a little better, although outdated, seem a little classier in color schemes, fit and finish. To me, both trucks are American built brutes! I’ve never owned a Ford simply because of my relationship with the local RAM/Cheverolet dealers. Good review guys!
Ram is the way to go these days. My neighborhood has a Ram in every other drive way, we have a couple Ford's and 1 Chevy. People are avoiding GM's at all costs
I like that you do your tow test on the IKE Gauntlet. I don’t think people realize how hard those mountains can be till you drive them. Living in Colorado Springs and towing the snowmobile trailer to Steamboat or Vail Pass. I get to drive that all winter long.
Nice test fellas!
Impressive exhaust brake on the RAM. Nice to see Mr. Truck on the Ike Gauntlet with Andre again!
I like how you guys did the downhill first. It's a good change of pace.
They always do
The more videos I watch of the Ram 2500 cummins, the more I want one. Its performance is truly impressive. Do I have anything heavy enough to tow to justify buying a HD diesel? No… but this is America dammit, and if I want a big truck, I can get a big truck
Ram all the way
That's what I did
(26:05) Mr. Truck is spot on. Trucks need to balance to payload or all those other numbers don't mean much.
Got that right!
It’s all about that sticker and how the truck is taxed/insured. I wish Ram would get with it and slap a new sticker on the door. The rear axle weight rating on that Ram is 6,000 lbs and it’s carrying about 2,800 lbs on the rear axle as currently configured right there, so that 2,200 lbs payload leave a wide margin open on what the truck can actually do just to keep the taxes/insurance guys happy.
I’ve been a GM guy forever and I just bought a new ram 2500 bighorn night edition with a Cummins to tow with and I absolutely love it…that inline is a beast.
So happy to see another Ike Gauntlet!!!
Can we get a weight-watchers edition? Especially for the SRW diesels, talking through payload and which types of trailers have 10, 15 & 20% pin/tongue weight would be super helpful when comparing these trucks.
Also, if all the trucks are hitting that 8min mark, maybe we need heavier trailers than that beautiful Black Series? Or maybe the 3/4ton gassers don’t?
@Austin Esry Thanks, I enjoy working with Andre
@MrTruck I totally get that. Also it was GREAT to see you back in the cockpit with Andre. I miss watching you two banter! :)
Yes, we've been waiting for HD media trucks
Great review and valuable critiques on both trucks. Why would you NOT want to use cruise control while towing???
It's always great to see Mr. Truck...a great show as always guys!
Awesome Saturday morning entertainment ! One thing I am curious is if you set the cruise control downhill for the Ike test. I know in my 19 Chevy 5500 Duramax service truck, (18,000lbs ) if you're downhill in cruise and exhaust brake on, it will hold your set speed. With cruise control off it wants to run away.
The GMC programming is based on holding the speed below the point where the breaks were applied. I feather the throttle on down hill and dont apply the brakes after the first application.
@Eric G Downhill assist is for 30 mph or less. It is computerized braking, not exhaust braking as was tested in this video. It is not meant for interstate driving. It is recommended that you manually select low gears when using downhill assist so that the brakes are not doing all the work. Usually used for off roading. Watch some of the videos using downhill assist on steep driveways...quite impressive. I am unsure, however, if the downhill assist would include trailer brakes if you're towing. I would bet not.
Maybe Gm changed it but if I come to a huge hill i just set the cruise down about 5mph or so and that really kicks on the exhaust breaking about to where you want it, the lower you move the set point the more aggressive it gets, works well, just takes a bit of practice
My Ram Hemi will put effort into keeping speed when the cruise is set. Otherwise it'll coast.
I found out that you need one solid braking event to have the grade braking function to turn on.
Once it’s working, it provided more braking than downshifting.
I can't stand GMC's downhill assist. It feels very counterintuitive. I often find when driving my dad's 2021on camping trips, that it drops way too low and makes the truck scream downhill. When using it on 20% grades, it's damn near useless. Manual selection of gears is the better way to go.
Would like to see this test done with the gas engine versions of the same trucks.
Classic TFL video here. Good to see Mr Truck. Great video as always. This really really is the greatest towing test in the nation
Nice video. I like when Mr Truck and Andre are together.
My thoughts on the test are pretty simple: the fuel mileage is a waste for just a 7 mile run going uphill. Who knows how accurate the computers are in that type of condition. Hopefully you all will test them on the 66 mile or 100 mile loop. That would be more accurate. And then lastly GM wants you to use cruise control when towing. I like how the Ram is doing it with their auto exhaust brake better but if you set cruise for 50 on the GM then that’s what you will do, up or down makes no difference.
Final thing is I’m glad you guys mentioned the type of trailer you were towing is better suited for 3/4 ton and up trucks. That’s a little bit of a gripe I have with some of your test conclusions when towing similar weights to this trailer with a 1/2 ton but on open trailers. The weight is not the problem. The type of size of trailer is the problem. So good job this time with that.
@Andy Harman Yeap. I think for people like me that daily drive their truck and use it as a weekend warrior type the 3/4 ton is good enough. But if I were doing it everyday I’d 100% get a dually.
The longer wheelbase is a good point too. They definitely helps with stability and ride.
I also feel that the trailer weight itself is not that big of a deal up to a certain point. I have a 8.5’x24’ enclosed car hauler that weighs around 4,000 pounds empty and loaded with my car and such it’s around 7,000 I would estimate to an absolute max of 7,500. In my experience it pulls the same loaded or empty.
That's true about the size of the trailer. It's the frontal and side areas that make an RV "interesting" to tow. I used to hotshot travel trailers, and it made for a busy day behind the wheel if there was heavy crosswinds. I started with a 2500 Dodge standard cab then switched to 3500 Dodge extended cab. The longer wheelbase and higher weight of the 3500 made it more stable in crosswinds.
It's pretty amazing how good(capable) these trucks are nowadays.
Now this is the stuff I'm interested in. I live in a caravan full-time in New Zealand and it's good to see the Aussie caravan with the door still on the passenger side for the USA roads.
Great to see a good ol fashioned Ike Gauntlet and great to see Mr. Truck as well! Thanks guys!!
Two VERY nice trucks! I would be happy with either.
I love TFL, longtime viewer since 2013. But these light weights on the IKE are pointless when every truck can make the benchmark 8min run. You guys need to go back to the IKE Extreme where you max out the truck's GVWR and GCVWR
Well I like these test because I travel Cross Country twice a year towing 6-8K and up to 11k once in a while short hauls, so, until they come out with a REAL 1/2 TON TRUCK (CREW CAB 8FT BED) I am stuck with my Crap F350, but looking for a Newer 3/4 Ton that would improve the MPG as well as safety features... (NON FORD!!) So, Love these videos... But they still haven't even beat what I get now as I get 9-10MPG Towing 7 to 8K up and down all the mountains and average that across the country as well...(When Running... Broke down again,and again,and again!!)
It’s not the weight, it’s the wind resistance.
certainly 7000 lbs is no struggle for any modern diesel 3/4 ton truck, though to be honest that's probably closer to what a lot of people tow. Even though it's within the capacity of half-tons if I were towing that weight often I'd still want the 3/4.
Got make vids to pay the bills
They’re promoting this camper.
It's nice to see Mr. Truck on the show again ..... always a great addition to have !
12:58 That spring loaded hitch is used to activate the hydraulic brakes. When the towing vehicle applies the brakes, the momentum of the trailer pushes on the plunger, which works a lever attached to a brake master cylinder. The little piece that he flips up is the lockout so you can reverse without the brakes coming on.
These at least _used_ to be common here in Australia. Electric brakes seem to have increased in popularity in recent years. I don't know what it's like in America. It seems like you guys have had electric brakes since the '40s.
We need more Mr. Truck on here with Andre!
The sad thing about Chevy is their premium interior is about on par with Ram's Tradesman interior. That Bighorn interior on the Ram is really luxerious. Ram has had this premium interior since 2013 and Chevy still hasn't figured out how to get it right.
I wish they would have kept colunm shift on bucket seat models for 2022 half tons. Was planning on getting a 3.0 diesel with max tow package after getting rid of my 2021. Extra leaf spring and bigger rear axle and 3.73 gears were most of the things i hoped for but they left the tiny 22 gal fuel tank on. My dream truck is the ford f150 crew with 6.5 bed and heavy duty payload package with 2500 pound payload and the gm 3.0 diesel. Perfect light duty 3/4 ton with good fuel economy and throw in the 7 kw hybrid battery and i am cool!
The chevys previous gen interior was much better than this new interior, it's sooo ugly.
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@Brady Yes! I really felt claustrophobic in the Ram I test drove. Lots of power to be sure. It felt almost like a big rig, kind of rough around the edges -very “truck like” indeed. No doubt it could get the job done. The one I test drove was a 2021 3500 Limited with the Aisen transmission. It was way less than the GMC I ultimately bought and I loved the look of the interior. Hands down it was nicer looking and better to the touch than the GMC I ended up buying. And it was almost $30k less.
At the end of the day, it was the feel of the truck I knew wasn’t for me. I felt claustrophobic almost in there. So I got the 2021 Denali 2500HD instead.
@Greg Douglas Nice. So if I read that right you said the GM felt bigger on the inside over the Ram? Just curious cause I’ve never been in a new GM/Ram yet at all
I would be happy to own either truck they both seem very capable
I love the portable "TFL studio" to keep you guys out of the weather, lol
You should do the "wrap ups" more often in that RV, it gives better sound quality
One of the best combos of car reviewers on the tube. Thanks guys!
Awesome video guys! Thanks for the insight and light comedy 😁
Good Input on both vehicles, how about durability and long term expenses to fix, value and how it does in off-road with an off-road trailer like the one you guys pulled?
I speak from experience as a tech, the Cummins I6 wins the ease of serviceability debate. Never had one apart but that new powerstroke looks really tight in the frame. On the Ram you "can" remove the cab but we never need to. I could see how on the ford it's a must.
I just bought the 2500 Duramax, so you know what I’m rooting for lol 😆. It’s a really nice truck and I’m loving it so far. Great to see Mr. Truck again.
Sorry to hear that GM is building garbage you bought yourself a lemon dude
IKE will never ever ever get old.
Keep it coming Lads. ☘️🇮🇪👌👍
I was a young man when Roman and I did the first one
You guys are great and deserve awards!
I think this would be a great test for the gas motor counterparts. Not sure why you would want a diesel with such little weight.
Agree. Towing under 10k with a 3/4 ton diesel is complete overkill.
1 brake application vs zero brake applications, but how many times did you turn the exhaust brake on and off Andre? Wouldn't that be considered the equivalent of a brake application?
I bought a chevy custom 4x4 diesel yesterday it ways 7,8** with a 3450 payload. I have always been a ford man but I absolutely love this chevy. Great ride 20mpg at 75-80 on the way home.
Great vid, you guys do a good job, The adds during the vid are getting out of hand, thats very annoying.
At the dealer I work at, we install these caps on every split tailgate truck we get in because GM has not covered the damage in the past. Plus we operate in a bougie area, so alot of these trucks don't get used like trucks super often.
I've been trying to decide between these two, the biggest issue for me is the low payload on the RAM and I don't like the mirrors as much. With that amazing downhill performance and better MPG I've decided to go with 2WD RAM for better payload.
I just bought a 22 LTZ. The big 3 are so close on these tests, it came down to aesthetic and bias for me, I suppose. Coming from a 2001 Chevy, I don’t care as much about the exhaust brake as some; 1 application is 999 fewer than what I’ve been doing 😂 I didn’t get the Curt system, because I don’t need it with my Pullrite, annnd… the side rails are a little different, necessitating the purchase of a BW universal kit (still way less than the package plus Pullrite adapter, also I have no use for a ball in the bed). I know I’m way behind everyone else in the truck world, but I am impressed with the modern innovations and delighted with my purchase.
When I began my search/research, back in December ‘21, I had no idea how crazy the market is. I would never dream of buying new, but used trucks are so overpriced -approaching or even exceeding new- I figured it’s dumb to take on the same note with little or no warranty left.
I thank God I found your channel recently to quickly learn the things I needed to know to make my decision.
@Ryan Hessler I guess they discovered my Kryptonite before I knew about it. I realize though they have real problems, like the chip shortage, and got behind so bad it’s hard to keep up. And I don’t begrudge them as they try to tread water to answer demand. This, though, read this right here: the prices will not decrease as they get back to normal.
I was in the same boat as you when I bought my F-150 in January 2020. Even then, the used market was high for pickups, so I decided I might as well by new for a few grand more and have no miles and a warranty
Hey tfl truck, the auto gm exhaust brake used to work with the cruise control. The cruise setting gave it a target to hold. The new ones might still be like that .....
That tailgate setup on the chevy would drive me nuts. When I have my work trailer attached to my truck I absolutely need to access my truck toolbox. I just put a rag between the tailgate and the trailer lift so I don't damage the tailgate. I'm also a light guy so I can stand on my tailgate when it's laying on the trailer lift.
Can still lower the full tailgate just not the inner multiflex part that drops down so far.
Yay TFL and Mr.Truck! I love these videos so much.
You guys need to start using the cruise control on the HD trucks on the IKE. The Technology is there now, it works great.
I wonder what the difference would be if you used a HIGH OUTPUT CUMMINS instead of the standard engine ? I do not know what the HP difference is between the two engines.
Love the front end look of this Chevy. Looks like and old large truck from the 80s how their front ends used to be. Very retro.
Cant believe the Ram at that price does not have LED headlights, so cheap and outdated looking.
Every Ike should have Andre and Mr Truck. Whenever they’re together you know it’s going to be an enjoyable video.
I'm with Mr. Truck on the hitch cover. Why? I've accidentally lowered my F-150 tailgate numerous times having the keys in my pocket. So much so, I now have a bunjy cord attached to my tailgate and the side of the truck to always make sure it doesn't fall.
I worry about the tailgate button in the cab, when kids are on board
Great video guys. Snow, Mr. Truck, and lots of info makes for a entertaining video.
Thanks so much
Awesome video!! Love the Ram!! Now do the Allison Swap, full delete, CP3 fuel pump, engine tune, trans tune, free spinning hubs and off road fuel mpg would have been around 12 to 16 mpg!!
@Steven Peterson No Ram used CP4 in 2019 & 2020 and recalled those models. 2021 and newer have a newer version of the CP3 (higher volume).
So then y is there a recall on 2021 and 2022 models for the CP4 fuel pump? 🤔
That Ram already has the CP3, came back in 2021.
I got two Chevys 2001 & 2004 with the Allison transmission 5 speed, both works great going down steep hill with heavy loads.
The Ram's GVW is 10k, is rated to tow 20k, but can only do ~10-11% of max trailer weight with the available payload capacity otherwise the maximum tow will go down quickly.
The Chevy's GVW is 11.35k but is rated to tow 18.5k while being able to payload ~16% of max trailer weight.
Clearly both makes are using a different strategy (unless Ram 2500 has a higher GVW option that isn't on this one). With the Ram you are basically talking driver-only with the max trailer weight and 11% on the truck. With Chevy you tow 1,500 less but could have all family members and their stuff WHILE towing max trailer.
The rub with the Ram 2500, though, is that if it were a Longhorn Limited the payload would be under 2,000 while the Chevy High Country would be 2800ish.
Honestly this Silverado LTZ's payload isn't far off my 1-ton F-350 PS SRW while having most options. I'm wondering if the Silverado 3500 uses the same GVW vs payload vs tow strategy.
The sound reading is actually a pretty wide margin, decibels aren’t a linear scale. Every 3dB increase equates to a doubling in the sound energy.
Great video, I am in Australia and have the ram 2500 SO towing a 23ft, 7500lbs offroad caravan and its a beast for towing and touring.
@Tezza yea that's price is crazy and will only sky rocket like truck prices are here. I think GM is now making factory RHD Silverados for export to Aus so that should help with price a bit
@andrews we do have some unique people who have and do with similar vehicles... the 1/2 and 3/4 ton US built market has exploded over here after Toyota's poor excuse for a 300 series landcruiser.. A Ram 2500 larime converted to right hand drive goes for US$135k and some change.
I thought Australians would tow a trailer like yours with a Corolla
I'm glad Mr Truck brought up that even though the Ram has a better tow rating, with its paltry payload rating, you have to have an empty truck to tow near the rating. The GM 2500 has a payload in the ballpark of other SRW 1 tons from the other brands. I'm sure that higher payload rating had something to do with the Chevy having a worse ride than the Ram.
Another great fare test of two good trucks
I enjoy watching your channel, thanks for the great information, however, I’m sure that you guys know the Chevy will totally control your downhill speed if you use cruise control. I’m not sure why you guys refuse to use cruise control. That would be how you convey your desired speed to the vehicle system.
The Silverado is just a monster. Love the lights up front.
Definitely love these guys reviews keep it up
Yeah, but can the Ram survive a tornado?
Of course, haven't you seen the movie " Twister" lol
Yes, but only up to F4 flying cows and a tanker truck explosions. F5 tornados with Helen Hunt are beyond its limit.
Never mind, I just found the NY Post story!
@Paul Madkow That’s awesome, where did you see that?
I'm bowtie till I die. But I love these versus videos. They are awesome and very informative. Keep it up, fellas!
I am a novice at towing. But imo,That would be intimidating towing in weather like that.
I've seen many videos where ppl crash while trying to tow trailers. Experience is a good thing.
TFL are pros
No it was. I did watch it.
Did watch the video? The road was bone dry when they were actually driving.
TFL and pros in the same sentence... that's hilarious.
I just bought a 2022 3500 DRW limited longhorn.
Would love to see an up-to-date towing video with comparables.
Nice truck!! I use my truck for regular driving only. Just got my 22' HEMI Bighorn and couldn't be happier. The ride makes Cadillac feel like a Hyundai
Forgive me if this is covered in the 1,000+ Comments before me but how would the Chevy react if you set the Cruise Control to 50mph as you went down the hill? I wager that itll manage exhaust brake, transmission gear and all other factors perfectly. My old Yukon Denali will maintain whatever speed i set it to no matter the grade
Or.. i could just finish the video LOL!! You guys are great!
Great vid and very informative. Andre please blow your cliffhangers out next cold weather video! :)
Yes! Andre and Mr. Truck kicking it off! 🤘🏻☘️🙏
It's fun in the snow
I'll stick with chevy, it would be nice to see chevy offer an air ride suspension and another 50 horsepower and 150 lbft torque.
I want to see head to head tests with the Ram 2500 and Tundra with this trailer and something closer to the limit for the Tundra
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Well it is no doubt they are two very awesome trucks. I currently own a Chevy LTZ 2500 Duramax 2022 and I am Definitely in love with the truck. However I'm not sure if I could ever own a ram. When I'm towing something the most important thing for me is tow haul mode. If the ram can't stay in tow haul mode that may be a big problem. On the other hand, Chevy's diesel exhaust brake is definitely in need of a upgrade. They work beautifully when in cruise but I feel they should almost work without cruise if I'm being honest. Other than that most of the test were pretty fair. I do average much better fuel mileage than they said the Chevy had got. when running up the smokey mountains 6.8 percent grade I average about 5.5 mpg with a much heavier load at 9800. Still love the channel tfl is the reason I got a Chevy 2022 in the first place. Looked at a ram/ Chevy 2022 nothing compared to the power speed and the feeling of how durable the Chevys are on the road.