Bro the quote isn’t even accurate 😂 history is told by whoever writes it, ww2 is often retold German general memoirs as the soviets were not too forthcoming post war.
I wonder if Matt will make a big Minecraft retrospective theory of sorts someday. Linking together all the previous theories, and figuring out what fits, what doesn't, and what they may have missed initially.
@Jacob C Maybe but the builders might have done what the Mongols did which was in cities that were walled off and hard to capture. They would fling infected corpses into the walls of the cities and then let the disease spread,So the society that they were trying to usurp would be significantly weaker That probably is what happened with the pigman of Minecraft
@Reijek I think they had the virus in them already, I think it’s a fungal infection, something that was dormant until it reached different conditions like the overworld, in a past vid he talks about how viruses in real like cancer actually do that and how a hot place like the nether would be more resistant to disease but somewhere cooler and moister on the other hand….
@Jacob C you know... But what if we "encouraged" that plague to be more contagious? We know that Steve, and therefore probably the ancient builders too, are skilled enough in alchemy to cure the plague. It's not a stretch to infer that the ancient builders may have been able to... "Nudge"... the plague in the right direction.
It isn't too much of a leap to assume during that war there were kingdoms or over world villages that were sympathetic to the piglins or had more sustainable trade.
One thing he didnt mention: the difference in portal size in the original game vs legends, legends shows a massive scary portal that infects the land around it, while in minecraft its just a small lowly construct with a small amount of the ground changed, whatever was left of the piglins when the builders came through wasnt some mighty army, it was probably a small remnant of resistance that the builders slaughtered.
WAIT I JUST HAD A THOUGHT So so so the um the frickin abandoned portal things I forget what they’re called the ones with gold and chests and stuff They’re bigger than your average Nether portal, and they’re surrounded by netherack (I forget how to spell it) and magma I guess it’s possible they just placed the blocks there for decoration, and I really like the implications of what you said (from a lore standpoint, not from a ‘hehe yes I love seeing innocents gets murdered’ one), but I figured it was worth pointing out I know portals can be made rly big as long as they’re kept as a rectangle, and I wonder if the nether blocks surrounding the old portals are due to the fact that they’ve been around so long, and no matter how long you play the game it’s just not as long as the old portals have likely been around, so you’d probably never see the spreading yourself Idk just food for thought
A small, very simple detail in Minecraft gameplay could further prove this theory. And it's depending how much you love building. One word: saplings. In the overworld, you can get a sapling of any tree, bring it to your base and grow it there. However, for wood from the nether, it's different. Once you chopped down a “tree” for its crimson or warped logs, it's never gonna come back. It doesn't drop a sapling or a seed to grow a new one, it's a one-use object. Which means if you are farming them on mass, you are destroying entire ecosystems, erasing forests from existence for a couple of stacks of wood.
No, I think they do grow back (where did they come in the first place then), but I think they take much, much longer to grow back, so long that you can't do it in-game.
Exactly. Everyone saying that this "didn't happen in the Overworld" might be confused to how the Nether works when it comes to renewable resources vs the Overworld. Not trying to be rude of course :P
They are renewable though, but they are mushrooms, not trees, so they don't grow separately. Mushrooms grow from mycelium, so in the nether's case nylium. Also, mushroom hrow SO fast irl, so I wokldn't be that worried about the nether mushroom. I'd be more worried about the warped fungi taking over the nether since the hoglins don't eat that. Striders do, but I get the feeling they aren't enough to keep it at bay.
I love that matpat makes his videos in a way that you can listen, not watching the actual visuals, and still go along and understand whats happening. Like hes just descriptive enough to tell you what something looks like, but not so much that it ruins the video for ppl watching it too
Hey, So I have been watching all your theories about Minecraft, and it has started me to wonder about the person we play as in the game after all these events have gone down. As of right now, there are currently nine default skins in the game and are named as follows. Steve, Alex, Zuri, Sunny, Noor, Makena, Kai, Efe and Ari. If we take these skins to mean they are the official characters of Minecraft, then the obvious question becomes where did they come from. You seem to imply with your theories that Steven and the other eight characters are descendants of the ancient builders, but I have a bit of a problem with that, for there is nothing in the game showing where we as the player comes from. Now this could be something that Mojang is planning to add later, like a village full of builder descendants that you came from, but I have two ideas that might actually be more in line to the lore you have presented thus far for Minecraft. Now idea number one is rather basic, that being that Steve and the others are all children of villagers who for whatever reason are born with both the resemblance and the gifts of the ancient builders, and thus they were sent off on a grand adventure to discover the secrets of their peoples long lost past. This idea though I admit is weak, as one it would have to be an extremely rare chance for such a thing to happen, but not so unlikely that you didn't run into others like yourself in the world. Idea number two is where I'm putting my money, for this idea involves the Illigers, and the theory you presented that the Illigers are trying to bring back the ancient Builders via dark magic, for I think that they succeeded in bringing a builder back to life, and that builder is your player character. Now two questions of course arise from this idea, one being that if you are a builder resurrected by the Illagers, why do they attack you, followed by why are there not more of you out in the world. Both questions are actually easy to answer, for I think that not only were the Illigers wanting to bring builders back to life, but given the fact that they hold sway over the other creations they have at their disposal, I think they also wanted to control these resurrected builders. But for whatever reason, they couldn't control you, and later you were somehow able to escape from their clutches before they could kill you and start over with their experiments, explaining why Illagers would want to kill you on sight, while also explaining why there are no others like you, because they are afraid that like with you, the others they might create will not be able to be controlled, thus escaping and later messing with their plans just like you inevitably do if you survive long enough in Minecraft, after all, only you seem capable of repelling a Illager raid on the Villagers. But its all just speculation on my part at this point, though I would love to see you tackle this idea in one of your videos if it holds merit.
@Angelic Asysnila Didn't at one point in a previous/later episode, it implied that they attempted to bring back the ancient builders with a totem, wool of similar colors(he also mentions Cargo Cult to better explain the wool), and dark arts? What if the totem, if everything goes according, gives steve his respawnability and they killed him off for being for a better lack of words, disobedient to the Illgers? Thinking they killed him, he just simply respawned somewhere in the world, the totem is steve if it kinda makes sense, The wool a vessel maybe and the totem a life? I have no background knowledge on how the totems are made or relate to the lore so i understand if im wrong in a lot of aspects
Your theory can be applied on multiple things, first we can say that when our character dies, illagers spawn new ones in hopes of making our character work in favour of them but their plan fails again and again, cuz everytime our character has a will of its own
Ender mites also are very similar to the silverfish in the over world. If the silverfish happened to get through the portal and had to eat native resources to survive it could have changed them too. It’s seems very continent that there is always a silverfish spawner right outside the portal, a little too convenient.
With what Matpat said about biodiversity loss in the End, it would be really cool if a Sniffer in the End could bring back some of the old End plant life.
Also, this would make sense why the Ender men hate the ender mights in the base game, it's because they were essentially a plague for them, forcing all of their neighbors and friends to starve.
@Glwrehm they don't need to be smart to remember something they hate with a genuine passion tho, just cuz there's fish that memorize a path to swim, doesn't mean they're gonna start doing architecture
This story idea would absolutely tie in to some of the dev’s mindsets, namely them trying their best to make sure that any tweaks they make don’t end up breaking player-built resource farms. The ancients never came up with resource farms. They always took from the natural environments. That left two dimensions as wastelands. Of course the Devs would support the building of creative, infinite resource farms, since the story they’ve crafted shows the ramifications of exploitation instead of cultivation.
Random thing I heard from some sort of dev QNA a while ago. Endermites spawning after an Enderman's teleport happens because the Enderman passing through another dimension while teleporting, and doing so accidentally brings an inhabitant of that dimension back, the Endermite. This is likely not up to date, it's just a random thing I remembered.
This reminded me of something. Anybody else remember that one Minecraft theme event thing where the nether was taking over a village and you had to do different stuff to progress through it? That was the single thing that this reminded me of.
I love this theory. As a Dungeon Master, I love the conflict of legend vs truth and ideal vs reality. But as a sidenote... Can we appreciate how amazing animations and Minecraft parody songs made by the community clearly influenced the direction Mojang took the game? The animations remind me so much of some of the biggest names from back in the day. Any issues aside... it's just very cool as a person who's played Minecraft since its debut to see how far it's come and how true to itself it's stayed even across changes in leadership and designers. I can log in now and despite the changes to the world gen and things being better fleshed out, it still feels like the old days of wandering, farming, and occasionally getting up the nerve to delve deep. But now there's a lot more to delve for, and that's awesome. I'm not embarrassed to say I still play as a full adult, and I'm still fascinated by GT's theories about MC.
I like the idea that Legends is an older villager telling a story to a kid. The kid sees a ruined portal, asks about it, and to just keep the kid entertained the older villager makes up a story. "But piglins turn into zombies when they go through portals!" "They do NOW, as a curse for losing the war" and other nonsense that makes just enough sense to believe, even if it doesnt all add up
Maybe the builders created zombification as an airborne virus to put a final end to the piglins invading (or, you know, fighting for their lives), but it backfired and zombified them too...
11:50 That is an actual historical thing. When countries/servers were attacked or at war, they were short on resources and started invading other lands to replenish. We see it in Hermitcraft too, they mine giant craters just to get more ores to trade bc they trade and craft so much. Civilization is complicated. Here, invasive Piglins were once the oppressed.
I wonder now if the zombification of piglins isn't a defense mechanism set up by the ancient builders. Yes the hero "won" after using a last ditch weapon.
Maybe it worked under the mad doctrine. The ancient builders knew there were going to lose so they decided to at least take the piglins down with them.
One reason for the loss of biodiversity in the nether might be the Warped Forests...a crimson forest imbued with soul power so dense, it keeps away the -Lin species (hoglins, piglins, whatever you name them) since even a hoglin runs at the sight of a mere warped mushrooms. The reason why piglins run from soul lanterns. The reason for their crumble. The reason for the withers' existence.
This essentially ties up with several of matpats theories. The piglins are not turning zombified because the virus doesn't exist yet. The end theories are perfectly explained. I also think this perfectly explains why the bastions are destroyed and why the piglins attack on sight unless we provide gold. Also maybe soul sand valleys are just places where the war was fought. A lot of massacre might have taken place over them. The fossils found in these valleys can be of huge species that died out during the biodiversity loss or the war. Also explains why the different biomes seem to have a lack of too much biodiversity.
Theory: The player is actually the last living ancient builder. In beta we see lots of Steve’s running around the over world, I’m not saying that is canon but more of a representation. After alpha the only resemblance to these Steves are zombies and skeletons. I think disc 11 explains what happened to us as the player, the last builder. We run away from monsters, jump from somewhere high, land in water which likely knocked us out. My theory is that the player got amnesia and woke up (spawned) confused and not remembering what happened to the rest of the builders in the overworld.
i think destroying the heart of ender also stopped the creation of the enderlings due to one small detail the enderling's sounds are actually heavily distorted overworld mobs like zombies skeletons and spiders. watchlings sound like zombies, blastlings sound like skeletons, and the snarelings like spiders.
The ancient builders push piglins back to the nether where they fight for the death and piglins won. Their numbers are reduced to fraction of the original and their homes in ruins.
This is a bit farfetched, but from one of the Minecraft Legends trailers on Oct 15, "The Piglin Rampage Begins", nearing the end of the video shows a blue dimension. The reason I find it unique is that it could share connections with the "Ancient City Portal" thing.
There's something in relation to this I don't get. If zombies, creepers and the like are completely friendly or at least willing to support the 'hero' of the legend against the Piglin army, why are they freely attacking us in the main game? Was it some kind of magic spell that turned them on our side? Or did something cause them to turn on us(also odd, creepers seemingly not caring about the presence of villagers but if we go close to one they aggro and suicide)? And the whole thing about Endermen being descendants of ancient builders trapped in the End doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, when previous species of that appearance already existed in the dimension before any ancient builders got there. Not to mention that trailer scene showing the what were they called again pulling themselves out of an End portal. Also, damn those bots are bad.
After watching this video, it honestly feels poetic that the ancient builders were undone by their own hubris. The Wither, the Warden, the Enderdragons, all turned against them, and whose fault was it? They themselves were responsible. Their own creation attacked them, their new ally from another dimension turned on them over a precious resource, and Jean was their symbol of guilt over what they've done, but it's too late. Feels fitting that they basically evolved into the very creatures they conquered, that now they are stuck into an ecosystem that they themselves destroyed..
Hey Matt Pat, could you do a video on Signalis??? The lore in that game is so wonky, that I am genuinely interested in *what the hell even just happened (I can piece together some things in a clear way, but some other things were just really confusing).* In fact, I think that type of lore fits just perfectly right in your alley
I remember way back (no idea if its updated anymore) there was a mod that allowed you to make your own quests and named characters. It was my dream mod to have.
I haven't completetly watched the video yet, but before I forget and after watching a bunch of other stuff, maybe after defeating/keeping at bay the monsters of the Nether, the ancient civilizations were inspired to create other dimensions to battle a different threat/the Nether itself (wither) if it wasn't defeated, which lead to the Warden and then the end. The inspiration is Disk Five.
The ancient builders last ditch effort to save the echo system was to respawn the ended dragon before losing their sanity, and turning into enderman. That’s why there’s the big obsidian pillars around it when we travel there.
Reminds me of the raid mechanics of minecraft and how you start the raid and defeat it and because the villagers dont know this they deem you as their hero,
In vanilla minecraft, endermen will hunt endermite that are nearby. Probably because the endermen know that endermite will destroy any species it comes into contact with.
Since there’s two new separate biomes in the nether now, I wonder how many different species lived in those before their homes went to ruin, maybe we as the player are meant to be the saviour, the one who restores what had been lost by our kind in the past and fix what’s broken by bringing back old specifies like how the sniffer is an ancient dinosaur that you can only obtain by finding the eggs underwater and hatching them it’s just the beginning of our adventure in saving the worlds
Something I noticed: In normal Minecraft, Piglins and Hoglins become zombified when they enter the overworld. Here, though, they seem to be perfectly fine. Seems that whatever is causing them to become zombified doesn't exist yet.
@l0503 The Piglins didn't create the Wither. The Ancient Builders did, in an attempt to bring back loved ones from the dead, combining soul (soul sand) with flesh (wither skeleton skull).
Actually I do believe the story of legends is a more romanticized story. But not in the way seen in the vid. My main comparison is with the poem Beowulf. A seemingly simple story with much more historical context than what it first leads on. Beowulf was really a tale sung as a mean of boosting the moral of its local fighters and civilians. So legends my be that as well, but it could be a stretch. Though honestly the best stories are written in some form of realism.
I would love to see a shot where the unnamed Villager is reading through tales of victory for the 'Ancient Builders' as the Player walks through the ruins of Piglin-inhabited structures. Hearing someone read the exact opposite, as you're there, experiencing it. Bloodshed, genocide, ruin.
The piglin mobs in Minecraft Journeys look like officially refined versions of the pigmen mobs that were featured in CaptainSparklez music videoes from Fallen Kingdom through to Dragonhearted
i'm fairly certain it's actually in reference to the old nether fortresses, finding those after hours of searching in the console editions... now THOSE were the days
Gotta wonder where all the netherite went if the builders took it. Lost to the void? Used in creating bedrock? Maybe the warden has something to do with it, and that is why it hunts you down as soon as it hears you, in case you have netherite.
Plus, this might tie into the zombie virus in the game. If the ancient builders were fighting the piglins, perhaps a biological weapon was developed for this war. However, things went bad killing both the piglins in the overworld and what was left of the race of builders.
This makes sense. It explains why netherrack in the Nether looks so dry and cracked, as if something was taking from it that left it dry and barren. I also think that we should feel bad for the ghosts, magma cubes, and so on because they are part of the ecosystem as well.
Can u make an updated single video going through the entire predicted and theorised Minecraft story / plot so that we don’t have to watch hours worth of the other videos
I had always thought of endermites as being parasites that feed on endermen, with ender pearls being their eggs. We always assume that ender pearls are eyes, but, from a certain point of view, they look like real life frog eggs, with a layer of slime around a dark spherical center. Perhaps this is why only some endermen drop ender pearls, not all of them have been infected. This would also explain why endermites come out of enderpearls randomly and why endermen are aggressive towards them. It’s a situation similar to how parasitic wasps lay their eggs in caterpillars, so that their offspring can eat them from the inside out.
I like it how minecraft doesnt have story quests or almost any story at all but yet it has such big and interesting lore. The game appears as just a building game but it secretly hides so so much more
Matpat is a true legend cuz he suffers typing and searching and watching all just to make a 20 minute long video for us to watch and don't forget editing
I would love if there was like a territory map. like there are nether portals we have to protect from but then to make sure they never come back we go in (how we see the character just kinda pop in there)
doesn't The End having more bio diversity and different types of Endermen in Dungeons mean that endermen aren't ancient builders but their own species?
matpat needs to do more theories on Minecraft Dungeons. Not only base game connecting lore, dungeons has like their own lore, and it's very interesting. Such as illagers colonizing a villager settlement, ancient villager civilization in the jungle, and the mystery of the crypts we see throughout creeper woods and pumpkin pastures. And it doesn't end there, there's even more to find out
See, matpat didn't actually put research into minecraft dungeons, he probably just researched for like 10 minutes, because he forgot about the fact that the mutation that changed the end dimension literally came from a magical orb that mutates whatever it touches, so it was not just evolution. he would have known this if he played the game for a few weeks.
*Wow! I can't believe we came from Building game and use TNT to destroy villages to this fully fleshed MATPAT THEORIES!!!! TBH I can't stop watching all ur Minecraft lore theory!!!* *This one made me realize that Minecraft (the original one), the villains may be us, or the old civilizations!*
At some point the united front of the overworld probably also gets betrayed by you after the end of the war with the nether. Hence they hate you and attack you above all else.
I could see it as, maybe after some of the first portals are built, the piglins come and do what most societies that encounter a new, resource rich land do. But there are beaten back and as the saying goes "to the Victor gi the spoils"
Yeah but I don't think it's because of the reason MatPat mention. More because how contradictory it is to Minecraft iself (like about which mobs are friends and which enemy...)
The idea that Ender Pearls are the End equivalent of Amber makes perfect sense, since the stuff probably came off of Chorus Plants, which bear teleporting fruit
You need to make a theory video about why us the players can respawn and why the ancient builders couldn't? Game mechanic? Possibly.. but I feel Matt could have a reason for this fitting into the lore
Would it be possible that they didn't invade for gold? The Piglins could have invaded for flora and fauna, because the nether is already in a death spiral. Which was mentioned in a previous theory
The way matpat can just take almost A N Y T H I N G into a believable theory is just insane to me lol edit: thanks for the likes ive never gotten this many before ^-^
makes you wonder if minecraft could ever add some type of mechanic that would let you travel to the past and meet the dimensions as they were before the ancient builders, heres an idea for the big portal in the ancient cities
Kind of makes me wonder if at some point other Ancient Builders escaped into still-other dimensions....and if they'll be returning at some point, no lessons learned, and just as driven as ever to plunder the Overworld, not realizing their ancestors had been there before. Or perhaps they DID know, and they were coming back to slaughter the Withers and reclaim the world. Not sure I want to see that.
WHOA Hold on! Can you talk more about ender pearls being some kind of amber/pokeball? I feel like that’s potential for a theory or I’m just missing some pretty basic info 😅
Perhaps this could be how the Ghast's get trapped in the Nether? Didn't Mojang say that Ghast's were originally from the overworld? What if after the war when the Overworld army had won and destroyed the Nether portals for whatever reason the Ghast's all got left behind. Perhaps that also explains why they are so aggressive when they see our character in the nether? Because we remind them of the ones that betrayed them in the past and left them alone in an unfamiliar world?
I think it would be cool if they added stuff from Dungeons to vanilla Minecraft. Just make it only spawn really far from the End Island. Like 50k blocks from where the outer end starts.
agreed, especially since dungeons is suffering from battle pass syndrome the end in dungeons and some of the other levels like cacti canyon could make very interesting and unique biomes
Is it cannon that Minecraft dungeons is a prequel to Minecraft? I always thought that it felt more like something that happened afterwards considering the growth in well just about everything from pillager society, diversity in monsters from both the end and the nether, much more sophisticated enchantments, more weapons, the fact that ruins, crypts, and dungeons are still a thing meaning that there are things that are much older that what's taking place in the game.
“History is told by the victors”, I love how this quote can also be canonically tied to Minecraft story mode
Bro the quote isn’t even accurate 😂 history is told by whoever writes it, ww2 is often retold German general memoirs as the soviets were not too forthcoming post war.
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The comments are now a mix of politics and Minecraft story mode
Gonna go think about this now, I love Minecraft: Story Mode
I wonder if Matt will make a big Minecraft retrospective theory of sorts someday. Linking together all the previous theories, and figuring out what fits, what doesn't, and what they may have missed initially.
MC doesn’t really have planned out lore, they are so vague in interviews and etc because the backstory of the game is really up to the player.
Thats what he was aiming for
hes currently doing that for fnaf
I'm surprised that Matpat didn't mention that the piglins didn't immediately become zombified. Suggestion of a possible bioweapon used between games?
@Jacob C Maybe but the builders might have done what the Mongols did which was in cities that were walled off and hard to capture. They would fling infected corpses into the walls of the cities and then let the disease spread,So the society that they were trying to usurp would be significantly weaker That probably is what happened with the pigman of Minecraft
Minecraft’s version of the book of invasions
@Reijek I think they had the virus in them already, I think it’s a fungal infection, something that was dormant until it reached different conditions like the overworld, in a past vid he talks about how viruses in real like cancer actually do that and how a hot place like the nether would be more resistant to disease but somewhere cooler and moister on the other hand….
Ohhh that’s how the zombie infection started….
@Jacob C you know... But what if we "encouraged" that plague to be more contagious?
We know that Steve, and therefore probably the ancient builders too, are skilled enough in alchemy to cure the plague. It's not a stretch to infer that the ancient builders may have been able to... "Nudge"... the plague in the right direction.
That’s why the piglins attack you, they recognize you as a ancient builder, and by putting on gold armor they think your own their side.
It isn't too much of a leap to assume during that war there were kingdoms or over world villages that were sympathetic to the piglins or had more sustainable trade.
One thing he didnt mention: the difference in portal size in the original game vs legends, legends shows a massive scary portal that infects the land around it, while in minecraft its just a small lowly construct with a small amount of the ground changed, whatever was left of the piglins when the builders came through wasnt some mighty army, it was probably a small remnant of resistance that the builders slaughtered.
WAIT I JUST HAD A THOUGHT
So so so the um the frickin abandoned portal things I forget what they’re called the ones with gold and chests and stuff
They’re bigger than your average Nether portal, and they’re surrounded by netherack (I forget how to spell it) and magma
I guess it’s possible they just placed the blocks there for decoration, and I really like the implications of what you said (from a lore standpoint, not from a ‘hehe yes I love seeing innocents gets murdered’ one), but I figured it was worth pointing out
I know portals can be made rly big as long as they’re kept as a rectangle, and I wonder if the nether blocks surrounding the old portals are due to the fact that they’ve been around so long, and no matter how long you play the game it’s just not as long as the old portals have likely been around, so you’d probably never see the spreading yourself
Idk just food for thought
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Wish it was more like that aye
That's a great observation
There IS a larger variant of portal in the base game, but it doesn't look exactly like the one in Legends, so I get your point.
A small, very simple detail in Minecraft gameplay could further prove this theory. And it's depending how much you love building. One word: saplings. In the overworld, you can get a sapling of any tree, bring it to your base and grow it there. However, for wood from the nether, it's different. Once you chopped down a “tree” for its crimson or warped logs, it's never gonna come back. It doesn't drop a sapling or a seed to grow a new one, it's a one-use object. Which means if you are farming them on mass, you are destroying entire ecosystems, erasing forests from existence for a couple of stacks of wood.
The trees are fungal extensions of the nylium. They do regrow from the fungus on the ground
No, I think they do grow back (where did they come in the first place then), but I think they take much, much longer to grow back, so long that you can't do it in-game.
Exactly. Everyone saying that this "didn't happen in the Overworld" might be confused to how the Nether works when it comes to renewable resources vs the Overworld. Not trying to be rude of course :P
Well can’t you just bone meal yeh ground to get those mushrooms and then grow them??
They are renewable though, but they are mushrooms, not trees, so they don't grow separately. Mushrooms grow from mycelium, so in the nether's case nylium. Also, mushroom hrow SO fast irl, so I wokldn't be that worried about the nether mushroom. I'd be more worried about the warped fungi taking over the nether since the hoglins don't eat that. Striders do, but I get the feeling they aren't enough to keep it at bay.
I love that matpat makes his videos in a way that you can listen, not watching the actual visuals, and still go along and understand whats happening. Like hes just descriptive enough to tell you what something looks like, but not so much that it ruins the video for ppl watching it too
Yup! I listen to this while doing my homework and it helps so much!
True , I'm able to wash the dishes listening to him
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Mat pat is an extremely creative guy to have lore theories on Minecraft
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Hey, So I have been watching all your theories about Minecraft, and it has started me to wonder about the person we play as in the game after all these events have gone down.
As of right now, there are currently nine default skins in the game and are named as follows. Steve, Alex, Zuri, Sunny, Noor, Makena, Kai, Efe and Ari. If we take these skins to mean they are the official characters of Minecraft, then the obvious question becomes where did they come from. You seem to imply with your theories that Steven and the other eight characters are descendants of the ancient builders, but I have a bit of a problem with that, for there is nothing in the game showing where we as the player comes from. Now this could be something that Mojang is planning to add later, like a village full of builder descendants that you came from, but I have two ideas that might actually be more in line to the lore you have presented thus far for Minecraft.
Now idea number one is rather basic, that being that Steve and the others are all children of villagers who for whatever reason are born with both the resemblance and the gifts of the ancient builders, and thus they were sent off on a grand adventure to discover the secrets of their peoples long lost past. This idea though I admit is weak, as one it would have to be an extremely rare chance for such a thing to happen, but not so unlikely that you didn't run into others like yourself in the world.
Idea number two is where I'm putting my money, for this idea involves the Illigers, and the theory you presented that the Illigers are trying to bring back the ancient Builders via dark magic, for I think that they succeeded in bringing a builder back to life, and that builder is your player character.
Now two questions of course arise from this idea, one being that if you are a builder resurrected by the Illagers, why do they attack you, followed by why are there not more of you out in the world. Both questions are actually easy to answer, for I think that not only were the Illigers wanting to bring builders back to life, but given the fact that they hold sway over the other creations they have at their disposal, I think they also wanted to control these resurrected builders. But for whatever reason, they couldn't control you, and later you were somehow able to escape from their clutches before they could kill you and start over with their experiments, explaining why Illagers would want to kill you on sight, while also explaining why there are no others like you, because they are afraid that like with you, the others they might create will not be able to be controlled, thus escaping and later messing with their plans just like you inevitably do if you survive long enough in Minecraft, after all, only you seem capable of repelling a Illager raid on the Villagers.
But its all just speculation on my part at this point, though I would love to see you tackle this idea in one of your videos if it holds merit.
i like your illager theory. thats why the character does not seem to have any parents. or maybe steve had parents but were killed by the illagers
fantastic
@Angelic Asysnila Didn't at one point in a previous/later episode, it implied that they attempted to bring back the ancient builders with a totem, wool of similar colors(he also mentions Cargo Cult to better explain the wool), and dark arts? What if the totem, if everything goes according, gives steve his respawnability and they killed him off for being for a better lack of words, disobedient to the Illgers? Thinking they killed him, he just simply respawned somewhere in the world, the totem is steve if it kinda makes sense, The wool a vessel maybe and the totem a life? I have no background knowledge on how the totems are made or relate to the lore so i understand if im wrong in a lot of aspects
Your theory can be applied on multiple things, first we can say that when our character dies, illagers spawn new ones in hopes of making our character work in favour of them but their plan fails again and again, cuz everytime our character has a will of its own
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The Piglins even brought their children to war... This shows how tough the situation really is.
Ender mites also are very similar to the silverfish in the over world. If the silverfish happened to get through the portal and had to eat native resources to survive it could have changed them too. It’s seems very continent that there is always a silverfish spawner right outside the portal, a little too convenient.
With what Matpat said about biodiversity loss in the End, it would be really cool if a Sniffer in the End could bring back some of the old End plant life.
Underrated!
Also, this would make sense why the Ender men hate the ender mights in the base game, it's because they were essentially a plague for them, forcing all of their neighbors and friends to starve.
Minecraft’s version of the book of invasions
@Glwrehm they can say Hello to us tho
That makes so much sense!
Remember that in Minecraft Dungeons Endermen don't attack Endermites, they are more like pets and hunting dogs for the Endermen in MCD
@Glwrehm they don't need to be smart to remember something they hate with a genuine passion tho, just cuz there's fish that memorize a path to swim, doesn't mean they're gonna start doing architecture
This story idea would absolutely tie in to some of the dev’s mindsets, namely them trying their best to make sure that any tweaks they make don’t end up breaking player-built resource farms. The ancients never came up with resource farms. They always took from the natural environments. That left two dimensions as wastelands. Of course the Devs would support the building of creative, infinite resource farms, since the story they’ve crafted shows the ramifications of exploitation instead of cultivation.
Random thing I heard from some sort of dev QNA a while ago. Endermites spawning after an Enderman's teleport happens because the Enderman passing through another dimension while teleporting, and doing so accidentally brings an inhabitant of that dimension back, the Endermite. This is likely not up to date, it's just a random thing I remembered.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Endermites weren't actually from the End at all... but were named "Endermites" because of how they spawn.
This reminded me of something. Anybody else remember that one Minecraft theme event thing where the nether was taking over a village and you had to do different stuff to progress through it? That was the single thing that this reminded me of.
This theory actually sounds better than any storyline mojang has come up with
I love this theory. As a Dungeon Master, I love the conflict of legend vs truth and ideal vs reality. But as a sidenote... Can we appreciate how amazing animations and Minecraft parody songs made by the community clearly influenced the direction Mojang took the game? The animations remind me so much of some of the biggest names from back in the day. Any issues aside... it's just very cool as a person who's played Minecraft since its debut to see how far it's come and how true to itself it's stayed even across changes in leadership and designers. I can log in now and despite the changes to the world gen and things being better fleshed out, it still feels like the old days of wandering, farming, and occasionally getting up the nerve to delve deep. But now there's a lot more to delve for, and that's awesome. I'm not embarrassed to say I still play as a full adult, and I'm still fascinated by GT's theories about MC.
I like the idea that Legends is an older villager telling a story to a kid. The kid sees a ruined portal, asks about it, and to just keep the kid entertained the older villager makes up a story. "But piglins turn into zombies when they go through portals!" "They do NOW, as a curse for losing the war" and other nonsense that makes just enough sense to believe, even if it doesnt all add up
Minecraft’s version of the book of invasions
That sounds exactly what Matpat would do
Maybe the builders created zombification as an airborne virus to put a final end to the piglins invading (or, you know, fighting for their lives), but it backfired and zombified them too...
@Mark Ismael herobrine endgame boss for legends confirmed?!
@Mark Ismael even the netherite Armor was shown in those videos...
11:50 That is an actual historical thing. When countries/servers were attacked or at war, they were short on resources and started invading other lands to replenish. We see it in Hermitcraft too, they mine giant craters just to get more ores to trade bc they trade and craft so much. Civilization is complicated. Here, invasive Piglins were once the oppressed.
I wonder now if the zombification of piglins isn't a defense mechanism set up by the ancient builders. Yes the hero "won" after using a last ditch weapon.
Maybe it worked under the mad doctrine. The ancient builders knew there were going to lose so they decided to at least take the piglins down with them.
Minecraft must hire Matt Patt for every update and lore development...this man is a genius
One reason for the loss of biodiversity in the nether might be the Warped Forests...a crimson forest imbued with soul power so dense, it keeps away the -Lin species (hoglins, piglins, whatever you name them) since even a hoglin runs at the sight of a mere warped mushrooms. The reason why piglins run from soul lanterns. The reason for their crumble. The reason for the withers' existence.
This essentially ties up with several of matpats theories. The piglins are not turning zombified because the virus doesn't exist yet. The end theories are perfectly explained. I also think this perfectly explains why the bastions are destroyed and why the piglins attack on sight unless we provide gold. Also maybe soul sand valleys are just places where the war was fought. A lot of massacre might have taken place over them. The fossils found in these valleys can be of huge species that died out during the biodiversity loss or the war. Also explains why the different biomes seem to have a lack of too much biodiversity.
the fact MatPat can just keep pulling these theories out of what seems like nowhere baffles me, hats off 👏
Minecraft’s version of the book of invasions
@Rhombushead 2 6 whole bots! Why?
"he's crapping out -elixir- theories"
Right?? The man sure shows decent lore/research on everything.
No
Theory: The player is actually the last living ancient builder. In beta we see lots of Steve’s running around the over world, I’m not saying that is canon but more of a representation. After alpha the only resemblance to these Steves are zombies and skeletons. I think disc 11 explains what happened to us as the player, the last builder. We run away from monsters, jump from somewhere high, land in water which likely knocked us out. My theory is that the player got amnesia and woke up (spawned) confused and not remembering what happened to the rest of the builders in the overworld.
@CoolIssa1Gaming I kinda have to agree with you. Why would the trailers be canon? It's just Steve and the bois having fun.
@Leslie Kennerly who says the trailers are canon?
@CoolIssa1Gaming tell that to the trailers
@Gamer Mobiling i dont think theyre canon i think minecraft is canonically a solo game
but he's not the last living, him,Alex and a few of the new default skins in the new updates are the known last Ancient Builders
What's weird is that I suspected that these portals were the result of some conflict, and it's nice to be kind of right.
i think destroying the heart of ender also stopped the creation of the enderlings due to one small detail the enderling's sounds are actually heavily distorted overworld mobs like zombies skeletons and spiders. watchlings sound like zombies, blastlings sound like skeletons, and the snarelings like spiders.
Now that's actually a really interesting theory. And a realistic one as well.
I'd like to think that throughout the years Mojang is working on a movie that shows the entire lore of Minecraft
so MatPat discovered that Steve and the ancient builders were british... impressive stuff
LMFAO
i cant tell you how hard i kettle wheezed at this
As an Indian I approve
Or Dutch or French or Spanish or Japanese. Point is the ancient race were colonizers through and through like that's just what they were
thar British that's very interesting.
henceforth, everytime a developer wants to make a more or less wholesome game, beware the touch of matpat: turning it all into a twisted tale.
I really love what you're doing with this game but I would like to see an episode on the fossils.
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The ancient builders push piglins back to the nether where they fight for the death and piglins won. Their numbers are reduced to fraction of the original and their homes in ruins.
This is a bit farfetched, but from one of the Minecraft Legends trailers on Oct 15, "The Piglin Rampage Begins", nearing the end of the video shows a blue dimension. The reason I find it unique is that it could share connections with the "Ancient City Portal" thing.
With this theory the normal skeletons in the nether makes sense
I think that, y’know, Piglins becoming zombified when they go to the overworld/end is a pretty solid case they weren’t the ones invading.
@Cassowary Egg if this is true thats just horrible
There's something in relation to this I don't get. If zombies, creepers and the like are completely friendly or at least willing to support the 'hero' of the legend against the Piglin army, why are they freely attacking us in the main game? Was it some kind of magic spell that turned them on our side? Or did something cause them to turn on us(also odd, creepers seemingly not caring about the presence of villagers but if we go close to one they aggro and suicide)?
And the whole thing about Endermen being descendants of ancient builders trapped in the End doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, when previous species of that appearance already existed in the dimension before any ancient builders got there. Not to mention that trailer scene showing the what were they called again pulling themselves out of an End portal.
Also, damn those bots are bad.
@TheoryFoxes amateur*
Ok
@Cassowary Egg yeah
After watching this video, it honestly feels poetic that the ancient builders were undone by their own hubris. The Wither, the Warden, the Enderdragons, all turned against them, and whose fault was it? They themselves were responsible. Their own creation attacked them, their new ally from another dimension turned on them over a precious resource, and Jean was their symbol of guilt over what they've done, but it's too late. Feels fitting that they basically evolved into the very creatures they conquered, that now they are stuck into an ecosystem that they themselves destroyed..
Hey Matt Pat, could you do a video on Signalis??? The lore in that game is so wonky, that I am genuinely interested in *what the hell even just happened (I can piece together some things in a clear way, but some other things were just really confusing).* In fact, I think that type of lore fits just perfectly right in your alley
You forgot to mention that there was more biodiversity in the overlord too. Those mobs must have gone extinct from the piglins.
Matt never fails to disappoint us.
Someone needs to make a mod that allows you to play in this mattpat theory timeline. It’d be wild to play minecraft like a full fledged rpg with story
I remember way back (no idea if its updated anymore) there was a mod that allowed you to make your own quests and named characters. It was my dream mod to have.
Yea but he will just keep on making more theories so the mod will never be fully completed.
Me toooo
@EULAL1A yeah
I think that would be really cool as well as a lot of fun to play
I haven't completetly watched the video yet, but before I forget and after watching a bunch of other stuff, maybe after defeating/keeping at bay the monsters of the Nether, the ancient civilizations were inspired to create other dimensions to battle a different threat/the Nether itself (wither) if it wasn't defeated, which lead to the Warden and then the end. The inspiration is Disk Five.
The ancient builders last ditch effort to save the echo system was to respawn the ended dragon before losing their sanity, and turning into enderman. That’s why there’s the big obsidian pillars around it when we travel there.
Reminds me of the raid mechanics of minecraft and how you start the raid and defeat it and because the villagers dont know this they deem you as their hero,
In vanilla minecraft, endermen will hunt endermite that are nearby.
Probably because the endermen know that endermite will destroy any species it comes into contact with.
Wait until they discover Silverfish lol.
@mark_ i mean i guess but 🤷♂ who knows
@Syn But normally he says something like, "Solidifying what I said in a past theory."
@mark_ he already mentioned it in a past theory involving the endermites
Yeah I thought he'd mention this
Since there’s two new separate biomes in the nether now, I wonder how many different species lived in those before their homes went to ruin, maybe we as the player are meant to be the saviour, the one who restores what had been lost by our kind in the past and fix what’s broken by bringing back old specifies like how the sniffer is an ancient dinosaur that you can only obtain by finding the eggs underwater and hatching them it’s just the beginning of our adventure in saving the worlds
Something I noticed:
In normal Minecraft, Piglins and Hoglins become zombified when they enter the overworld. Here, though, they seem to be perfectly fine. Seems that whatever is causing them to become zombified doesn't exist yet.
I also find it interesting that in mc dungeons the end is filled with structures which means there was way more than just the ancient builders
If Piglins could make obsidian, that technically confirms the Ice age theory.
I love how all the hostile mobs suddenly just go "yeah let's help the humans". It's like the story is a fairy tale.
@l0503 The Piglins didn't create the Wither. The Ancient Builders did, in an attempt to bring back loved ones from the dead, combining soul (soul sand) with flesh (wither skeleton skull).
Actually I do believe the story of legends is a more romanticized story. But not in the way seen in the vid. My main comparison is with the poem Beowulf. A seemingly simple story with much more historical context than what it first leads on. Beowulf was really a tale sung as a mean of boosting the moral of its local fighters and civilians. So legends my be that as well, but it could be a stretch. Though honestly the best stories are written in some form of realism.
Either that (fairy tale) or they turned on the Ancient Builders after finding out the *truth.*
@the novice dungeonmaster yeah I agree
Is it just me or do the big nether portals in this game look A LOT like the Dark Portal/Blasted Lands in WoW?
To me, based off this theory Mojang could be trying to warn the world though the form of a game.
Tbh it's insane how he keeps making videos out of nowhere, I bet he can make a video from a single frame
I swear, MatPat is gonna be the only person in the world that will not be disappointed by this game once it comes out. It's gonna be so fun to watch
lmao yep
Yes
Agreed
@Berdy King ikr it’s so annoying
@Berdy King fr man wtf
If this game is a story, it could be exaggerated by the “winners of the war” so to speak.
I love the idea that minecraft legends and dungeons is like a prequel to our minecraft
I would love to see a shot where the unnamed Villager is reading through tales of victory for the 'Ancient Builders' as the Player walks through the ruins of Piglin-inhabited structures. Hearing someone read the exact opposite, as you're there, experiencing it. Bloodshed, genocide, ruin.
The piglin mobs in Minecraft Journeys look like officially refined versions of the pigmen mobs that were featured in CaptainSparklez music videoes from Fallen Kingdom through to Dragonhearted
When Matpat said "once great society" it reminded me of the achievement that you get when first entering a bastion "Those were the days"
the bots
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i'm fairly certain it's actually in reference to the old nether fortresses, finding those after hours of searching in the console editions... now THOSE were the days
Wait a damn minute
It's sad that this achievement isn't in bedrock edition
I have been waiting so long for this :
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Gotta wonder where all the netherite went if the builders took it. Lost to the void? Used in creating bedrock? Maybe the warden has something to do with it, and that is why it hunts you down as soon as it hears you, in case you have netherite.
As they always say, legends are not entirely true or entirely false, they may be stories, but they ring with truths.
I wonder if there is anything to the white glowing eyes of the Piglins. You know, being that the Orb is a thing and all.
Plus, this might tie into the zombie virus in the game. If the ancient builders were fighting the piglins, perhaps a biological weapon was developed for this war. However, things went bad killing both the piglins in the overworld and what was left of the race of builders.
If the builders weren't already at the end of their rope, do you think they would have tried the same thing with the Warden's dimension?
I imagine Matpat looking at the three new mobs and thinking “Alright which one has the most *LORE!?”*
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The sniffer, it IS an ANCIENT nob after all.
its the sniffer
Sniffer easily
This makes sense. It explains why netherrack in the Nether looks so dry and cracked, as if something was taking from it that left it dry and barren. I also think that we should feel bad for the ghosts, magma cubes, and so on because they are part of the ecosystem as well.
With the minecraft legends trailer having that big brute piglin, does that make those fallen kingdom songs cannon? :D
Can u make an updated single video going through the entire predicted and theorised Minecraft story / plot so that we don’t have to watch hours worth of the other videos
This whole episode is basically what I do in a casual run of survival minecraft
That was a great episode 👏
I had always thought of endermites as being parasites that feed on endermen, with ender pearls being their eggs. We always assume that ender pearls are eyes, but, from a certain point of view, they look like real life frog eggs, with a layer of slime around a dark spherical center. Perhaps this is why only some endermen drop ender pearls, not all of them have been infected. This would also explain why endermites come out of enderpearls randomly and why endermen are aggressive towards them. It’s a situation similar to how parasitic wasps lay their eggs in caterpillars, so that their offspring can eat them from the inside out.
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@whothefrickareyou Lol yeah probably 😳
No its enderman b*lls
This is what I thought, so called hero of the story but every Hardcore players I see has a prison of villagers to trade with
I like it how minecraft doesnt have story quests or almost any story at all but yet it has such big and interesting lore. The game appears as just a building game but it secretly hides so so much more
Matpat is a true legend cuz he suffers typing and searching and watching all just to make a 20 minute long video for us to watch and don't forget editing
Always a legend trying to solve these unanswered questions. BOOM! NO NEED TO WORRY GUYS I GOTCHU, said MatPat
I would love if there was like a territory map. like there are nether portals we have to protect from but then to make sure they never come back we go in (how we see the character just kinda pop in there)
This is basically "Plato's cave ", the villagers are the men in the cave and the game is basically the shadows they saw
doesn't The End having more bio diversity and different types of Endermen in Dungeons mean that endermen aren't ancient builders but their own species?
There is always a tinge of truth in Legends.
Bro uncovered the mystery of a game before its own RELEASE date. This guy is a legend.
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matpat needs to do more theories on Minecraft Dungeons. Not only base game connecting lore, dungeons has like their own lore, and it's very interesting. Such as illagers colonizing a villager settlement, ancient villager civilization in the jungle, and the mystery of the crypts we see throughout creeper woods and pumpkin pastures. And it doesn't end there, there's even more to find out
the master of lore is leaving out the most important part... THE LORE
See, matpat didn't actually put research into minecraft dungeons, he probably just researched for like 10 minutes, because he forgot about the fact that the mutation that changed the end dimension literally came from a magical orb that mutates whatever it touches, so it was not just evolution. he would have known this if he played the game for a few weeks.
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Yes finally someone who agrees with me
*Wow! I can't believe we came from Building game and use TNT to destroy villages to this fully fleshed MATPAT THEORIES!!!! TBH I can't stop watching all ur Minecraft lore theory!!!*
*This one made me realize that Minecraft (the original one), the villains may be us, or the old civilizations!*
Imagine the end actually got a rework to look like what it is in Dungeons
At some point the united front of the overworld probably also gets betrayed by you after the end of the war with the nether. Hence they hate you and attack you above all else.
I could see it as, maybe after some of the first portals are built, the piglins come and do what most societies that encounter a new, resource rich land do. But there are beaten back and as the saying goes "to the Victor gi the spoils"
To quote Minecraft Story Mode “Until all that remains are myths, half truths, to put it simply, lies.” I feel this fits here.
@Adam Morin with such contradictions to actual Minecraft game? That wpuld at least make canon incoherent.
It probably is cannon
Yeah but I don't think it's because of the reason MatPat mention. More because how contradictory it is to Minecraft iself (like about which mobs are friends and which enemy...)
@Rhombushead 2 preach
@GoldenCraft47 not possible, too many contradictions
The idea that Ender Pearls are the End equivalent of Amber makes perfect sense, since the stuff probably came off of Chorus Plants, which bear teleporting fruit
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You need to make a theory video about why us the players can respawn and why the ancient builders couldn't? Game mechanic? Possibly.. but I feel Matt could have a reason for this fitting into the lore
The ancient builders were playing on Hardcore.
RIP.
Would it be possible that they didn't invade for gold? The Piglins could have invaded for flora and fauna, because the nether is already in a death spiral. Which was mentioned in a previous theory
I love how Minecraft has a bit of scientific things and not just a bunch of dumb things just explained by “magic”
it seems like when the "ancient builders" evolved into endermen and discovered teleportation, they probably sent scouts to other dimensions.
The way matpat can just take almost A N Y T H I N G into a believable theory is just insane to me lol
edit: thanks for the likes ive never gotten this many before ^-^
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if only he could really get ahold of spongebob
Hollow Knight and Subnautica are both examples of VERY wrong theories
makes you wonder if minecraft could ever add some type of mechanic that would let you travel to the past and meet the dimensions as they were before the ancient builders, heres an idea for the big portal in the ancient cities
Kind of makes me wonder if at some point other Ancient Builders escaped into still-other dimensions....and if they'll be returning at some point, no lessons learned, and just as driven as ever to plunder the Overworld, not realizing their ancestors had been there before. Or perhaps they DID know, and they were coming back to slaughter the Withers and reclaim the world. Not sure I want to see that.
WHOA Hold on! Can you talk more about ender pearls being some kind of amber/pokeball? I feel like that’s potential for a theory or I’m just missing some pretty basic info 😅
Kinda want mat to do the skeletons, curious as to what he'll find, and the skeletons underground, so many more mysteries
Perhaps this could be how the Ghast's get trapped in the Nether? Didn't Mojang say that Ghast's were originally from the overworld? What if after the war when the Overworld army had won and destroyed the Nether portals for whatever reason the Ghast's all got left behind. Perhaps that also explains why they are so aggressive when they see our character in the nether? Because we remind them of the ones that betrayed them in the past and left them alone in an unfamiliar world?
I think it would be cool if they added stuff from Dungeons to vanilla Minecraft. Just make it only spawn really far from the End Island. Like 50k blocks from where the outer end starts.
@Lawden because it wasnt that op and actually offered something new but everyone wanted (glow) squid
In one of the mob contests, a Dungeon mob was one of the options
No offense but MCD is where everything that was too op for minecraft went sooooooo
agreed, especially since dungeons is suffering from battle pass syndrome
the end in dungeons and some of the other levels like cacti canyon could make very interesting and unique biomes
YESS
Is it cannon that Minecraft dungeons is a prequel to Minecraft? I always thought that it felt more like something that happened afterwards considering the growth in well just about everything from pillager society, diversity in monsters from both the end and the nether, much more sophisticated enchantments, more weapons, the fact that ruins, crypts, and dungeons are still a thing meaning that there are things that are much older that what's taking place in the game.