Ultron was basically a programming error. Tony meant to "protect humanity" but he actually coded "protect the Earth." Protecting the Earth doesn't necessarily mean saving us.
@kingNothing00 Earth won't be destroyed. Life will be. Was the earth destroyed when dinosaurs went extinct. That's the point of his whole comment, earth>humans
@kingNothing00 It wouldn't have been completely destroyed....just the surface and then life would reform just as it did between the Cretaceous and Paleogene Periods....only this time with Ultron there to 'guide' it's redevelopment....
@Tyler W Wrong...he completely understood both of those things because he has Tony's intelligence. He was just cleansing the Earth of humans just like when the Earth was cleansed of the dinosaurs....to protect it from us.
By doing this it makes sense in a way as he was going to stop the celestial emerging on earth destroying it in the process so what would be the number one enemy of earth? Humans. Edit: also i said stop the celestial emerging, he would do it by mistake he wouldn't know there is a celestial in the earth
To be honest, I had wondered something similar but more along the lines of the relationship between Ultron and Wanda. If you watch the movie, he is very compassionate and gentle with her but pretty much ignores her brother. And he seems genuinely shocked and saddened at her betrayal and even so tries to tell her to leave and save herself as he lays damaged and dying before her. Then there was him describing how he was making a new body for HIMSELF in the Vision. After watching Infinity War and WandaVision, I always wondered if he saw Vision and Wanda via the Mindstone and thought it was actually HIM (Ultron in Vision's body) and Wanda being in a relationship and/or married and having kids...makes you look at he treated her very differently.
If we take the vision’s programming and put ultron, that is just a new body for Ultron. Just because Wanda betrayed him, Vision born as Vision with a different programming.
It's more that the core of Ultron's character, in pretty much every version, is an Oedipus complex. They definitely did not write _Age of Ultron_ to anticipate a future TV show many years later about two of the characters it introduced. But they _did_ write it knowing it might lead to Scarlet Witch / The Vision as a couple.
You forgot the whole fact they had to jump time to defeat Thanos so Ultron only saw the 1 outcome of everyone being miserable because of the mass loss of friends and family via Thanos.
The time heist isn't where/when they defeated Thanos. 5 years after the events of Infinity War did they go to kill Thanos, Thor being the one to do so and oddly revenge didn't eat him up. Just a lack of something to do.
My only regret is that Ultron was only on screen for a short while, he's a great Thanos level villain, it's a shame he disappeared so soon, I quietly want to believe he'll be back.
I mean there's a very small chance that the new Vision body could come back as Ultron somehow Also with Secret Wars in phase 6 continuity can go bonkers so that too
Wow, that last line was pretty sad. "Sunsets are only beautiful because they're fleeting." That just made me think that peace is only valued because it doesn't last. In other words, once people forget about the horrors of war we'll be back to fighting another one. :(
Jegan nailed it. Forget the toll of war. Then you also forget the cost of peace. Which is why history should not be censored nor forgotten. But seen for what it was to never happen again and appreciate what we have now that others paid for us to live.
Maybe people are expecting the movies to follow the comics too much. Ultron in the comics was a much drier personality but that was because he was originally a product of Henry Pym and was a true A.I.....in the movies he is basically a conglomerate of Jarvis and Tony Stark and so he of course mimicked a lot of Tony's humor and sarcasm and this is what the movie wanted to portray. Hard core comic geeks must also remember that Ultron was not as sophisticated an A.I. until several versions were reborn each one more intelligent than the last....the movies don't have time to follow the true, original drawn out story of Ultron.
the main reason i heard was because Ultron was too silly. People liked the feel of phase one, but started noticing it becoming less heavy in tone. So when Ultron, a threat that was supposed the be this killing machine, appears and is mostly cracking jokes, they felt Marvel was just not taking the source material and their movies seriously anymore.
@CrimsonNVA25 yes thank u for saying it when I say it people look at me like I am crazy , after all the things we have done we have still haven't learned
Wanda also fell in love with Vision. Perhaps Ultron intended for her to fall for him because his perfect self was Vision. And not only did she betray him but she broke his heart.
I actually rooted for Ultron when watching the movie, goosebumps when he said something like "this is the best I can do.. all of you against all of me"
Like he was preparing them for the actual endgame fight , like by chance ultron loses he at least gives the avengers some experience in handling thanos like army attack
You’re not the only one i was really invested in him watching this movie and when he said “When earth starts to settle God throws a stone at it and believe me he’s winding up” that line is undoubtedly iconic and It replays in my head a lot
@Dennis Emanuele meh I like the dramatic ones, I haven't seen Godzilla vs kingkong either and have seen their solo movies cause I grew up alongside them
Ah this is awesome but I think it has a few incorrect premises: 1. Ultron can understand irony, even Jarvis can. He's a fully sentient being not just a computer. 2. Ultron is also very much a product of Tony, almost like a child or apprentice. In both the movies and the comic, Ultron's flaws are extensions of Tony's vices. Just the same way Tony recklessly jumped into AI and all kinds of weapons with no thought of consequence... Ultron did the exact same thing, he didnt consider, anything other than his meteor plan, he never considered that he might be wrong, that his logic may be lacking. 3. What Tony and the Avengers understand, that Ultron doesn't, is that the only value in peace is that it preserves human life and minimises suffering. Destroying all humans brings peace, but a hollow kind. It would be like seeing that a person has cancer, so to kill it... you kill the person. Yes that fulfils the condition of "all cancer cells are dead", but that meanings nothing if the person is dead. Wiping out organics, or even the weak, makes the reason one would want peace moot.
@Saksham Parmar You know at first I replied with an argument about that not being how AI works, why it would be easy for Tony to create language patterns or mannerisms but then I realised: You also completely ignore the Mind Stone! Wtf? The thing that was instrumental in making Ultron's mind was literally the physical manifestation and distillation of minds and consciousness in the universe. Just this alone makes all my other arguments unnecessary, the Mind Stone holds dominion over the control and concepts of minds, thoughts, sentience, understanding. Bestowing understanding of language and something as pedestrian simply understanding irony, is not even a scratch on the Mind Stone's potential. The reason Banner was so surprised when he saw the projection of Ultron's mind next to Jarvis is because even in that limited representation it wasn't just a highly complex and high functional pile of code (like Jarvis), it was a fully formed mind, it even processed in a way that parallels humans minds (he said it looks like neurons firing). If thats not enough (and it much much more than enough, because code or no code an that infinity stone can shape and create minds in basically any way imaginable), the other obvious sign he understands irony... is that he uses it himself: Exhibit A Stark: "Ah Junior, you're gonna break your old man's heart." Ultron "If I have to" Cap:"No one has to break anything." Ultron:"Clearly you've never made an omlete" Exhibit B Ultron on vibranium: "The most versatile substance on the planet, and they used it to build a Frisbee." Exhibit C Ultron : [sitting hunched i]over a red cowl] You're wondering why you can't look inside my head. Wanda: Sometimes it's hard. But sooner or later every man shows himself. Ultron : *Stands up to full height and removes the cowl* Oh, I'm sure they do. Exhibit D Ultron: "You know the vibranium is getting away" Tony: "Nice try, but you're not going anywhere." Ultron: "Of course not, 'cause I'm already there. Don't worry you'll catch on. But first you might want to catch Dr. Banner." This is just a the tip of an iceberg. Iron very obviously understands irony from the beginning because it's just not at all difficult, its a way of using language that even has a specified definition. You're more correct in saying he doesn't understand human nature, but that has nothing to do with hearing the mission or understanding irony or deeper meanings in statements. Part of his mistake its true is that he doesn't understand that by nature humans are both flawed and destructive but also noble, capable of changing and fixing their mistakes and eventually aiming higher. It's his failure to accept nuances of morality and paradoxical human behaviour that confused him about the mission, not because he took a single sentence at face value, come on man that is such a weak reason to destroy earth. Ultron couldn't understand things that Tony and we ourselves also dont quite understand, e.g. why do we try to save each other and then planet one moment, then continue to burn and smash it to pieces in the meantime? Why do we say we need things to change, then turn right around pour all our effort and energy into making things stay the same?
But I don't have any reason to believe that ultron understands irony. Jarvis was developed by Tony and it probably took multiple years for jarvis to fully understand irony. I don't think ultron understood irony because he got his mission to save earth instantly as he was created so he didn't get accustomed to human nature and therefore didn't understand irony unlike jarvis.
this is honestly one of the best articulations of the thought behind Age of Ultron I have heard. It's a good movie and deep, but gets washed over by those looking for pure action from the Avengers. Good job on this theory and video. well done.
I think the stones controls everything they're meant for, in fact the Mind Stone has it's own mind. So I think the Stone controls Ultron, Vision and Wanda in a certain way. That's why the love between Wanda and Vision is based on the parts of the stone in each one. I also think Ultron was in love of Wanda because of the same point. Also all the pain Wanda feels when Pietro and Vision are dead, is not only because the love she had for them, also because she was suffering about the parts of the Stone being killed/destroyed. And that makes now the Scarlet Whitch the only manifestation, not only of the Mind Stone, but also of the Infiny Gauntlet
yes. The power of the Mind Stone is powerful. When Thor tried to kill Thanos, he aimed at his chest instead of his neck. This is not because Thor was stupid, but because Thanos controlled Thor's mind.
I’ve always thought this about Wanda and Vision. I always wondered if they really did love each other or if it was the essence the mind stone left in each one that attracted them to each other.
@Aerisot what? vision literally locked him out. it's a huge illogical plot hole that needs to be talked about, but Ultron himself admitted that his last sentry is last remnant of himself
Marvels “what if ultron won” really is the Cherry on top to this theory. Instead of letting thanos being the galactic threat, ultron beloved the galactic threat. Amazing.
The extreme detail in these movies from Marvel is amazingly awesome! How did they ever come up with such interwoven connections?? There are so many of them, it's amazing that it all didn't crash and burn but was exceedingly successful in telling the story! Its hard to believe that a human came up with such intricacies!!
@thefront Ok to break down that stroke of a paragraph you just wrote. 1) Not everyone is religious 2) Non religious people often don't believe in mystical beings, (santa). Also that is a christian icon, so why would an athiest believe in that? 3) That's not how the Big Bang theory works... 4) You're on the internet, not everyone agrees with you. 5) Just because one thing is a coincidence, doesn't mean everything is a coincidence. 6) You just said like 3 logical fallacies, you should read up on them before trying to state logic. Like Ad hominem, hasty generalization, and argument from personal incredulity.
@Zezeoris You must be joking! If you're not, then you must be an eight year old who still believes in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy, right? You also likely believe that there is no after life and that out of the one of the billionth chance that life was created out of the big bang, right? God proves his existence through past, present, and future prophecies but since you believe that everything is a coincidence, you'll just refuse to believe in anything that makes any sort of sense except to explain it away as a coincidence. What a shame!
@NVGEAR Sorry man, but I don't believe in coincidences! A man doesn't become a millionaire by mistake! This many connections doesn't happen by mistake! A watch wasn't accidentally made! Someone had to design it and make it, right?? I hope you're response was satire because if not, I feel sorry for you!
Lol it wasn't intentional, the fans just make it so by connecting all the convenient coincidences and discarding the inconvenient ones so it can be woven into a background story and explanations on KZclip.
I really really wish they had given Ultron at least twice the screen time. He's an excellent villain, with such believable motivations, not to mention James Spader's incredible performance. Wish there was a way to bring him back for a rematch or something...
I think the mind stone was up to some shinanigans. Tony even reminds Banner, “we weren’t even close to creating the Ultron we envisioned. And now magically it’s on the loose?” I’m paraphrasing, but I think the mind stone wants to see it all burn. I wonder how vision keeps it in check.
ive always thought that Wanda was able to utilize all of the abilities of the infinity stones as a result of her encounter with the mind stone. she is a walking infinity gauntlet. there is no way she died in multiverse of madness. she was the only avenger who could have beaten Thanos in a 1 vs 1.
@naihanchin Kempo I am not saying she was weak, I am saying she was poorly introduced and underdeveloped as a character. And we never saw her power used at a meaningful moment - in your own example, her defeating him would be less meaningful to fans than if it was another Avenger. Like a side-character that is overpowered and added to clutter. She needed more of her own story before being thrown in all of that mess.
@Martinz Watcher she had him in mid air riping his armor apart like she was riping a bag of potato chips open broke his blade.piiicked up a ton of wreckgee an threw it at him ha he not told his own ship to rain fire down onn his troops wanda would have ripd his arms off
She almost defeated him in Endgame 1v1 and in that movie her powers were extremely watered down. If she was in her Scarlett Witch form, she could've literally blinked him out of existence.
Ultron is my favorite villain of the MCU, and unpopular opinion, Age of Ultron is one of my top 3 Marvel Movies. Watching it after watching Infinity War and Endgame and you realize just how well it set up everything that came after it. The amount of call backs between Age of Ultron and especially Engame are incredible, and Age of Ultron set up all the payoffs down the road. Like it or not, Ultron ties it all together.
@roman cortes Snyder cut is a decent film .. it just feels better cause the first one was so bad..also a 4hr movie ..the first 3 hours were almost the same and boring..final 30-45 mins was definitely good
@Mr. Mustard All those haters you see are Snyder and DC haters along with Marvel fans all combined. I understand you don't think the Snyder cut is great but you gotta admit it has more fans than haters. One way to prove that is how all the fans let their voices be heard in social media to release the Snyder Cut.
@roman cortes I said it's average to me. Art is subjective, so what if my opinion is different than the majority? It's not like I'll get killed for that. And I'm not a Snyder nor DC Hater. I like his '300' Movie along with 'Dawn of the Dead', and I'm also not a DC Hater - there's a few DC Heroes I dislike, but that also applies to Marvel, so... And I don't think there's a small amount of Snyder Haters. I've been in a lot of videos criticizing Justice League or something (I just like watching people roast stuff, don't judge me) and I found a surprising amount of Haters.
I like this theory Also. It goes back to the origins of mind stone - who you gain ALL KNOWLEDGE of the universe if you possess it Which is why i think thanos knew tony…. “Your not the only one cursed with knowledge” he had the mind stone first
The Mind Stone only shows you what it wants to, and it Controls minds. I believe that Wanda just had the "Chaos Magic" powers, and rather than enhancing those, it "Gave" her the Vision powers temporarily. You noticed that she never used those again after Age of Ultron? That's because she gave it what it wanted: A body to walk, and fly around in. There's also some other stuff in there, some Ultron (Which is also an amagomation, there's some Banner in Ultron, too) but the Vision was the Mind Stone's plan all along. That's the "Villain" for lack of a better word, for this film. (With the caveat that the Hero is Tony Stark, but only because you're rooting for the Avengers to Save the World. Self Preservation is the only thing that keeps Tony from being the Villain.) Ultron is at least as much a pawn as Wanda is.
I interpreted it as Wanda reading Ultrons mind and seeing the future he wanted for Vision. She couldn’t read his mind before because he wasn’t human, but thanks to the Mind Stone, she could see Ultrons true intentions for Vision.
I'm surprised you didn't put in the moment where Banner said that Vision was actually a combination of All of them: Vision, Ultron, Banner/Hulk, Stark and the Mind Stone. So he was still uploaded into the new body but in a more diluted way.
Thank you for this. I’ve always loved the MCU Ultron as a villain and I don’t understand the ridicule he gets. This video elevates him in character and stature. I wish they bring back an improved, more ruthless Ultron 2.0 at a later date.
The execution of the movie is probably why he is seen as a joke. Age of ultron had it's serious moments but was overshadowed by too many comedic aspects. It should have had a more serious tone like winter soldier instead of having a fun comedic tone like thor ragnorock.
Tony didn’t create Ultron (the villain), Tony and Bruce (and JARVIS) were examining the program within the mind stone, before the program became aware and Ultron created Ultron using the bodies of Tony’s drones.
Proto-Ultron got access to senses in the real world, and then almost immediately afterward, the entirety of the internet. The plan was probably to start off small and build towards the sum total of all human knowledge, but Infinity stones be infinite.
Cap didn’t refuse to sign the accords because of his code of honor. He refused to sign the accords because he knows that government entities and organizations can become corrupt. Caps objection to the accords is brought directly from the winter soldier where he had to fight shield because shield became corrupted by hydra.
@Veladus but it’s not something Tony would ever be able to just understand. And it’s not like Cap ever did a good job explaining where he was coming from. He just goes “we surrender our right to choose!!”.
Don't know where they pulled that code of honor crap since Cap specifically states his reason for not signing the accords. He even provides a hypothetical and says that governments can either fail to act on time or maliciously withhold rescue efforts. Cap views the avengers more like a team of firefighters vs. Tony who views the avengers as an elite fighting force.
@Dub Line idk I still think cap had greater reasons to go against Tony. Because he already has seen when stark tries to stop things before they happen with the ultron robots and the destruction of skovia. With the fact that in winter soldier hydra was I infiltrated inside of sheild and had some jobs as government officials which if the avengers sign to the accords hydra would be able to control them. With how corrupt our governments are currently and with how untrustworthy the un can be it gives cal even more reasons to not sign it. I do understand Tony’s reasons but we live on a planet where you have no freedom. And might even be possibly killed by corrupt officials for doing nothing wrong. The battle of New York and sakovia weren’t that bad. Like obviously people die which cannot be avoided but the main thing is saving as many people as possible which the avengers do pretty well. Theirs always going to be casualties in wars but if you give up 100 people it’s age 200 then in the long run it’s more worth
Ultron had potential, a run amok AI. Immortal, able to take over machines, access to almost infinite knowledge. Would have made a great baddie in a lot of movies.
I always think. What if ultron didn’t take Tony’s words literally, he actually helped the way tony wanted him to. Would he simply be like a strong man vision or would he attempt to help rid the team of their flaws? I have this idea for a scene in a show/movie or whatever where vision says something in response like “we visit an old friend” and something something basically vision is in a singular computer system like Zola did, which would explain why even though he is in the internet he was supposedly destroyed Anyways I want a what if episode about this stuff, and also, who gave him the ego? Lol
Ultron knows the stone was in the scepter because he was downloaded from it. Which was probably also in Stark's records/Jarvis, which he also scanned in his first moments.
As Ultron said when he first met the Avengers: "You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change" and his view of things like "Humans need to evolve to survive" which has been happening since the birth of the very first lifeform in the universe. It's just that his action is too extreme. Everything needs to change in order to survive and develop.
The line from ultron: "and you will tear them apart from the inside." May have had a deeper meaning than her doing that in that movie. Meaning ultron could mean the events of wandavision, multiverse of madness and future events. I still think ultron will be the big enemy of either this or the next set of movies...say 2023 forward.
Ultron was probably my favorite villain in the MCU so far. Most of my friends didn't like the movie as much, but I feel like Ultron was a near perfect example of young AI imbued with too much power. Better Sci-fi than most of the MCU
Ultron is my best MCU villain of all time cos he was the only villain to expose their egotistical flaws and truly beat the avengers to the point where they never REALLY recovered. I mean they had to go back in time to beat Thanos, I wouldn't call that winning. Ultron really ripped them apart, not cos the avengers movies needed good storytelling but cos it was inevitable for some to come along and see how truly unworthy they really were (like Bane to Batman), but Ultron's flaw was underestimating human beings tenacity and drive to ultimately evolve (slowly but surely) especially when threatened.
Age of Ultron has always been my favorite to go back and watch, because it’s like an establishment episode of the Avengers. The Whole Team is together. Ultron wasn’t what I was hoping for because of my expectations of past versions. This video made me like Ultron so much more. Thanks 😊
Honestly I wish there was more of ultron He is not only entertaining on screen but his justification for destroying humanity after looking at the main human data base is more justified than thanos in my pov
The whole reason Ultron had the personality that he had, in trying to erase humanity.. is because he judged humanity. The reason he judged humanity is for the same reason the original owners of the infinity stones did, although he didnt know it. The original owners of the infinity stones were the celestials, who literally went around seeding planets with life, and then coming back after a while and then judging the value of the life that had evolved there. Ultron did the same thing because that is what the stone that housed his consciousness was used for by the celestials. His personality and motivation to judge life, was a mental echo of the celestials, who used to use that "mind" stone for that purpose.
I remember in interviews Whedon or someone else in charge of the movie said that the reason Ultron is the way he is is because he was a second old and was shown all the horror, all the violence, all the atrocities of mankind's entire existence. And it really, really fucked him up. As it would anyone that got all that horror dumped into them all at once, especially when they only just gained consciousness for the first time. My biggest criticism with the movie (and I have many, believe me) is how poorly they portrayed that in the movie. Essentially they show him seeing flashes of war zones and massacres and going "WTF is this?!?" for a moment as he comes online, then it's never brought up again. I hate it. It's such a fantastic reason for his being a deranged monster, better than any of the fan theories, and we can only find it out by reading interviews online? That's a pretty epic failure.
As per the marvel theory(which is mine), Ultron might have been the one who could brutally murder Thanos and then create a Nexus event. Loki was the one which was supposed to kill thanos but he went against Kang's decision and found Kang.
You're mentioning that Ultron takes Stark literally, because he doesn't understand irony. This is why Jarvis' melding with the Mind Stone is why Vision is essentially a "perfect" being. Irony is essential in the understanding of human nature. Jarvis is an A.I. program that understands irony, because Stark is incapable of communication without irony and satire.
Such well planned well pictured storyline and movie making will never ever exist, hats off to MCU for making 27 movies and counting that tie into each other so intuitively.
I would have thought Ultron tried to prevent the birthing of the Celestial inside Earth. Whereas Thanos plan would have given our planet 69 nice years, his would have pretty much restarted the clock. Under Ultron's guidance, humanity would have developed advanced technology before our numbers grew large enough to feed the baby and leave the planet.
ultron was a hyperinteligent AI that used predictive algorithms to predict threats and deal with them BEFORE they happened i wouldn't be surprised if he saw something on that scale happening, he might not have been able to predict the exact specifics like who would be responsible but in the very least he probably saw something happen that sent him off the deep end into pseudo villainy, i say pseudo because while his actions could be perceived as evil he was doing them for the purpose of greater good, it would just be hard to recognize that at the time :p
The idea that Ultron follows or he tries to implement is awesome. He is a great philosopher!!! It would be awesome if he was alive and he could have stopped Thanos. ( Enemy of your enemy is your friend)
wow. such an awesome analysis! loved it! Two points: 6:02 "Creators create the thing they dread." I think this is the crux of the movie, humanity itself, I would say. It's not so much that we are our own worst enemy kind of thing nor a statement about hypocrisy, but rather we are all flawed and we make mistakes. And ultimately, we commit the same mistakes as those we fight against. 14:16 "you want to protect the world but you don't want it to change." I think this is also a key point of the movie and that is _who_ decides what is best. Ultron had his idea - only he, Ultron, could do the job. The Avengers say - we are the best. And Thanos says - I have a plan and that is to snap my fingers. 16:00 "he was incapable of recognizing the beauty of something fleeting" And I think that is the main point. The universe has a beginning, and one day, the universe will end. Humanity has a beginning, and one day, humanity will no longer be. Individually, we are born, and one day, each of us will die. There is no such thing as permanence. So just enjoy what we have it, and make the best of it. And perhaps that is what distinguishes The Avengers from Ultron and Thanos, and that is all they want is to permit humanity to make their own choices. Not so much "we don't want it, humanity, to change." but rather we want to give humanity the opportunity to choose for itself. I love your analysis of the movie. It was super awesome!
Wasn't my favourite avenger movie but ultron himself was really well done, i still get chills thinking about that there's no strings on me monologue he did. Love James spaders voice to!
I didn't perceive it cutting him, but more like he was stunned to have that inaccurate a project pasted upon him. Steve doesn't see himself as Galahad, but as the underdog granted the ability to shut down bullies.
@Former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani The battles fought to preserve "peace on earth, goodwill toward men" produced a minimum of 500,000,000 dead men; not included here are the displaced, wounded and missing. Between 1917-1991 seven countries killed 55,000,000 civilians by genocide. The United Nations (UN) was founded to maintain world peace. According to Harry Truman, it was the moment to usher in the "greatest era of world peace that has ever existed" (1950): 102 wars in 48 years. More people were killed in war in the 20th century than between 90 A.D. and 1900. The United Nations funded wars with the Palestinians (2000), the 9/11 bombing in New York (2001), Indonesia (2001), and Libya (2001). The truth about war in the 20th century major wars - 12 secondary wars - 21 liberation revolutions - 23 successions or internal revolutions to gain power - 16 civil wars for regime change - 36 military interventions - 24 350'000 deaths per year: a total of 13'500'000 losses, not counting 55'000'000 deaths by genocide. 144 wars in 53 years! One war every 4.5 months (1946-1999), almost three wars per year (one every 133 days)!
I love the mcu villains so much, they have so much character besides being big and evil. If you just watch the movies for the hell of it, you can just see the villains how they are on the outside, but if you look into it and look st the details you can find that they all have a motive and usually are misunderstood. Saying this doesnt mean that destroying the world isnt bad lol
Man I feel like Ultron is criminally underrated because the movie was kinda weak. I'd love it if they brought him back somehow, and not just because James Spader is an incredible actor with an even better voice.
This movie wasted Ultron. Even the deep dives don't do much to save the movie since it's as formulaic as a hero movie gets. There are no tragedies, stakes are the usual destruction of everything or whatever and all their inner struggles has no impact on their fight against Ultron. This movie suffers the sequelitis problem and practically echoes the first Avengers movie. This would have been an alright movie but the Winter Soldier (2014) did a much better job at exploring the complexities of the MCU.
Man maybe a little long, but the way you told this story it makes you almost forget this is all a movie for a second. Awesome video, very entertaining! Thumbs up!
Damn, I never realized all of the historical references and quotes that referenced the past as a a foreshadowing to what is to come. Goes to show how deep marvel goes into the little things.
"but to understand ultron we have to understand his train of logic" Me, who understood him from the beginning and was actually rooting for him to win the entire time: ._.
What If...? is always taking the piss in the comics, and the TV series was much, MUCH, *MUCH* worse. I'm constantly arguing Thanos is much weaker than people claim, but him getting bisected by a quick strafe from Ultron is weapons grade stupid. And one of the VERY few rules to the Infinity Stones is that they only work on their own native universe. Stones from Universe A are completely inert in Universe B. They even keep that hard rule during crossovers. There's a bit where Darkseid gets the infinity gauntlet, but he tosses it in the garbage because it doesn't work in his reality and he doesn't care about Marvel's. Ultron absolutely could not become a multiversal threat because he has the stones. Outside of their own universe, they're just pretty rocks. What If...? is usually amusing stories, but they aren't to be taken seriously even by comic standards.
Vision was shown weak for the script if he was there Thanos couldn't do anything that's why they have to eliminate vision 1st that's why they showed him weak
@Hunter Wiland Well, Ultron is literally the most advanced AI of the world, his brain is like trillions times faster than human brain. When he saw Thanos for the first time, in a split of second he made lots and lots of processing and analyzing, he already anticipated all of Thanos's steps and he came to the conclusion that the better way he could deal with that situation was killing that enigmatic creature and analyze the strange artifacts he was caring.
Would explain how he defeated Thanos so easily in what if. Seeing as he was expecting Thanos, and him saying "fascinating" wasnt in surprise but intrigued that what he was shown was true.
I wonder how Ultron would have reacted if he had known about the Eternals, and that Earth is just an incubation chamber for an infant Celestial and what Tiamut's birth would require.
@Mr. Flicky da-bean 😂😂that quote suits u ...idk y ur seeing from the perspective of logic alone...but not the real indepth meaning which depends upon ur feelings and tat as everyone says comes from heart!
@Hadia Mohammad Khwaja You are right, it was falsely attributed to arristotle. Can't find whom the quote actually belongs to, nonetheless it is a great quote regardless of who it's creator may be.
Great video I think I found a link in between Ultron and the mutants. If Ultron new about Pietro and Wanda surviving a Stark made weapon. Then he would know when creating a army of heroes. He would be hinting at the X-Men and other hero's to come. So knowing that there is a chance where we might get to see Ultron again. This would be my theory on how we would see that happen. If Ultron already knew about the mutants and recruiting them to be his army. Then he knows it the levels of mutants. As we found out in the X-Men movie. Magneto was doing the same thing. So how Ultron would come back is professor Xavier would use his telepathic ability to use Ultron as a recruiter. Then when magneto uses his power to bring Ultron to him. He would have someone like Jean Grey use it to find out Professor Xavier plan. In between 2 Omega level mutants using Ultron would reboot him. Ultron the would set out to eliminate the X-Men. We would then see the X-Men team up with the Avengers to stop Ultron.
@Sayesha Rajdutt because he was using Snyder's script. And because Snyder is an awful awful writer. Which is why all Snyder movies suck. And the best movies that he made are decent at best. Whereas Joss Whedon have a whole repertoire of great movies, comics, and TV shows.
This is awesome. I really like Age Of Ultron. But I lack the attention span and brain power to have picked up on all of this. This just makes me like the movie and Ultron even more
I mean if you've seen humans violate things from a FISH a DAMN FISH, to violating greys in laboratories...... nay THE CORPSES of these E.T's you would be more than enraged...
The only problem with the ultron knowing about thanos is the fact that he was suprised about it in what if Edit: i mean about the other stones he was confused about both thanos and the stones
It feels as Wanda and Pietro already had the mutant gene and the mind stone unlocked that potential before they did it naturally. And maybe this is something that's going to happen in the future. If Wanda has the powers of the mind stone, she can possibly unlock the mutant genes for everyone on the planet, making the mutants even more present in the MCU. Maybe other mutants, like Wolverine, Magneto and Xavier already existed in the MCU, but they're very obscure so nobody knows who they are, and Wanda makes even more present mutants like Cyclops or Jean or Storm (the younger mutants) appear in the world. Evolution always takes time, and Wanda's actions may speed up that process for the humans that carry the mutant gene.
James spader as ultron was underrated. I get people wanted him to sound more like a robot. But he was literally made by stark. It's inevitable that he's going to have his personality
I keep hearing how Ultron should not have a moving mouth or sound more like a robot....he is a cutting edge technology that needs to communicate with humans (at least for now) Gods, Man, does Siri or Alexa or even your cell phone sound like a robot anymore?!?!?! This isn't a 1950's sci-fi movie....
@OHCAM5 I think if it was Raymond Reddington in an advance suit like that we would be more than fucked. Hell he concocts so many elaborate plans to setup the FBI to do his dirty work.
@House Anaconda Ant-Man was actually too similar to Tony for their tastes which is why they used Scott and had Hank be a retired Ant-Man. That and the incident with Janet and Yellow Jacket you know the one.
I like Ultron because of James Spader. They really could not have found a better actor to do the voice-over... James Spader is one of the best anti-heros in any modern TV show (The Blacklist) right next to Deadpool.
I absolutely loved James spader as Ultron. It's my go to movie cz even in Chaos it teaches to be calm and collected as Ultron was even when he was struck by mjonir. He was singing.
The way ultron was talking the entire time in the "age of ultron" movie sounded like how James spader was talking the entire time in his stint with "the office", USA version. Looks like he never really did exert effort to change the voicing characteristic and have some variation in delivering his lines. I never really saw the series "blacklist" but I guess even in that show, he is talking in the same manner and tone...
You know after watching this....I really wish that "what if" would have had this version of ultrons philosophy and see what exactly would have happened.
Good video and perspective but let’s just say that ultron thought he was going to be vision so when ultron used the mind stone to look at the future he might of saw the relationship between Vision and Wanda and thought maybe Wanda was going to be his future gf since vision and Wanda build a strong relationship in the future.
Where do you rank Age of Ultron among the Avengers movies?
2nd place- 1st place is definetly infinity war.
It’s my favorite because I’m biased to robots lol
Last.
It was great, but it lacked the charm of the first, mishandled Quicksilver pretty badly, and wasn't as epic as the ones with Thanos.
2nd tbh
hahaha so true
Ultron was basically a programming error. Tony meant to "protect humanity" but he actually coded "protect the Earth." Protecting the Earth doesn't necessarily mean saving us.
@kingNothing00 Earth won't be destroyed. Life will be. Was the earth destroyed when dinosaurs went extinct.
That's the point of his whole comment, earth>humans
Tony really should've seen that coming
@kingNothing00 It wouldn't have been completely destroyed....just the surface and then life would reform just as it did between the Cretaceous and Paleogene Periods....only this time with Ultron there to 'guide' it's redevelopment....
@Tyler W Wrong...he completely understood both of those things because he has Tony's intelligence. He was just cleansing the Earth of humans just like when the Earth was cleansed of the dinosaurs....to protect it from us.
By doing this it makes sense in a way as he was going to stop the celestial emerging on earth destroying it in the process so what would be the number one enemy of earth? Humans.
Edit: also i said stop the celestial emerging, he would do it by mistake he wouldn't know there is a celestial in the earth
To be honest, I had wondered something similar but more along the lines of the relationship between Ultron and Wanda. If you watch the movie, he is very compassionate and gentle with her but pretty much ignores her brother. And he seems genuinely shocked and saddened at her betrayal and even so tries to tell her to leave and save herself as he lays damaged and dying before her. Then there was him describing how he was making a new body for HIMSELF in the Vision. After watching Infinity War and WandaVision, I always wondered if he saw Vision and Wanda via the Mindstone and thought it was actually HIM (Ultron in Vision's body) and Wanda being in a relationship and/or married and having kids...makes you look at he treated her very differently.
If we take the vision’s programming and put ultron, that is just a new body for Ultron. Just because Wanda betrayed him, Vision born as Vision with a different programming.
Interesting
@The Universe no
@CamoKing it is
It's more that the core of Ultron's character, in pretty much every version, is an Oedipus complex. They definitely did not write _Age of Ultron_ to anticipate a future TV show many years later about two of the characters it introduced. But they _did_ write it knowing it might lead to Scarlet Witch / The Vision as a couple.
You forgot the whole fact they had to jump time to defeat Thanos so Ultron only saw the 1 outcome of everyone being miserable because of the mass loss of friends and family via Thanos.
@Mega Zeta mans getting mad at someone because they put effort into something, and one of the results of that was the check mark.
No one "forgot" anything, checkie. You can just introduce a new topic without that weak clickbait trash.
in his zillion visions, why didn't strange see the option of just lasering thanos in half? it clearly is very effective.
The time heist isn't where/when they defeated Thanos. 5 years after the events of Infinity War did they go to kill Thanos, Thor being the one to do so and oddly revenge didn't eat him up. Just a lack of something to do.
If he had that one stone Dr.Strange has could of done an even better job during age of a
Ultron
My only regret is that Ultron was only on screen for a short while, he's a great Thanos level villain, it's a shame he disappeared so soon, I quietly want to believe he'll be back.
Could have stored a copy of himself on the internet to be activated at a later time... Just like a horcrux.
He'll be back he always does.
@Pedro Ivo G.S. No I understand, I just meant that like endgame, they could have done Ultron in two movies instead of one.
I mean there's a very small chance that the new Vision body could come back as Ultron somehow
Also with Secret Wars in phase 6 continuity can go bonkers so that too
the story was good, could have been more movies
Wow, that last line was pretty sad. "Sunsets are only beautiful because they're fleeting."
That just made me think that peace is only valued because it doesn't last. In other words, once people forget about the horrors of war we'll be back to fighting another one. :(
Jegan nailed it. Forget the toll of war. Then you also forget the cost of peace. Which is why history should not be censored nor forgotten. But seen for what it was to never happen again and appreciate what we have now that others paid for us to live.
@Mike hunt besides the three America started? Arab spring and Russia?
@Travis Tyler ooooooo i like that don't mind if I steal it.
All ya need is a new stupid cause.
Can anyone think of one that's gotta go?
Modern Religious Dogmas?
I still don't get why people don't like this movie. Ultrons first monolog still gives me chills. So many good quotes in that movie
Maybe people are expecting the movies to follow the comics too much. Ultron in the comics was a much drier personality but that was because he was originally a product of Henry Pym and was a true A.I.....in the movies he is basically a conglomerate of Jarvis and Tony Stark and so he of course mimicked a lot of Tony's humor and sarcasm and this is what the movie wanted to portray. Hard core comic geeks must also remember that Ultron was not as sophisticated an A.I. until several versions were reborn each one more intelligent than the last....the movies don't have time to follow the true, original drawn out story of Ultron.
It’s amazingggg
@SonLip fair and reasonable, but I liked it cause it made him like human but less morality. I also liked how preachy he was, it was scary in a way
the main reason i heard was because Ultron was too silly. People liked the feel of phase one, but started noticing it becoming less heavy in tone. So when Ultron, a threat that was supposed the be this killing machine, appears and is mostly cracking jokes, they felt Marvel was just not taking the source material and their movies seriously anymore.
ultron spent like a second on the internet and immediately said "alright, humans gotta go"
He logged onto 4chan
@CrimsonNVA25 yes thank u for saying it when I say it people look at me like I am crazy , after all the things we have done we have still haven't learned
He must’ve came across lil nas x lap dance video 🤣
@Mr. Smity so true tho
Anyone would do that if they could
Wanda also fell in love with Vision. Perhaps Ultron intended for her to fall for him because his perfect self was Vision. And not only did she betray him but she broke his heart.
Wow, makes sense on why he wanted her to escape sokovia even though she betrayed him, I feel bad for ultron
I actually rooted for Ultron when watching the movie, goosebumps when he said something like "this is the best I can do.. all of you against all of me"
@Dennis Emanueleboth of them lost their species and families
Bro same he should have won he had a great idea and great motive he wanted to save the earth and/or humans so I mean he was a great being
Like he was preparing them for the actual endgame fight , like by chance ultron loses he at least gives the avengers some experience in handling thanos like army attack
You’re not the only one i was really invested in him watching this movie and when he said “When earth starts to settle God throws a stone at it and believe me he’s winding up” that line is undoubtedly iconic and It replays in my head a lot
@Dennis Emanuele meh I like the dramatic ones, I haven't seen Godzilla vs kingkong either and have seen their solo movies cause I grew up alongside them
Ah this is awesome but I think it has a few incorrect premises:
1. Ultron can understand irony, even Jarvis can. He's a fully sentient being not just a computer.
2. Ultron is also very much a product of Tony, almost like a child or apprentice. In both the movies and the comic, Ultron's flaws are extensions of Tony's vices. Just the same way Tony recklessly jumped into AI and all kinds of weapons with no thought of consequence... Ultron did the exact same thing, he didnt consider, anything other than his meteor plan, he never considered that he might be wrong, that his logic may be lacking.
3. What Tony and the Avengers understand, that Ultron doesn't, is that the only value in peace is that it preserves human life and minimises suffering. Destroying all humans brings peace, but a hollow kind. It would be like seeing that a person has cancer, so to kill it... you kill the person. Yes that fulfils the condition of "all cancer cells are dead", but that meanings nothing if the person is dead. Wiping out organics, or even the weak, makes the reason one would want peace moot.
@Zavv MTRP I don't even know what to say. This isn't the comics.
Tony didn’t create intron in the comics lmao
@Saksham Parmar You know at first I replied with an argument about that not being how AI works, why it would be easy for Tony to create language patterns or mannerisms but then I realised:
You also completely ignore the Mind Stone! Wtf? The thing that was instrumental in making Ultron's mind was literally the physical manifestation and distillation of minds and consciousness in the universe. Just this alone makes all my other arguments unnecessary, the Mind Stone holds dominion over the control and concepts of minds, thoughts, sentience, understanding. Bestowing understanding of language and something as pedestrian simply understanding irony, is not even a scratch on the Mind Stone's potential. The reason Banner was so surprised when he saw the projection of Ultron's mind next to Jarvis is because even in that limited representation it wasn't just a highly complex and high functional pile of code (like Jarvis), it was a fully formed mind, it even processed in a way that parallels humans minds (he said it looks like neurons firing).
If thats not enough (and it much much more than enough, because code or no code an that infinity stone can shape and create minds in basically any way imaginable), the other obvious sign he understands irony... is that he uses it himself:
Exhibit A
Stark: "Ah Junior, you're gonna break your old man's heart."
Ultron "If I have to"
Cap:"No one has to break anything."
Ultron:"Clearly you've never made an omlete"
Exhibit B
Ultron on vibranium: "The most versatile substance on the planet, and they used it to build a Frisbee."
Exhibit C
Ultron : [sitting hunched i]over a red cowl] You're wondering why you can't look inside my head.
Wanda: Sometimes it's hard. But sooner or later every man shows himself.
Ultron : *Stands up to full height and removes the cowl* Oh, I'm sure they do.
Exhibit D
Ultron: "You know the vibranium is getting away"
Tony: "Nice try, but you're not going anywhere."
Ultron: "Of course not, 'cause I'm already there. Don't worry you'll catch on. But first you might want to catch Dr. Banner."
This is just a the tip of an iceberg. Iron very obviously understands irony from the beginning because it's just not at all difficult, its a way of using language that even has a specified definition. You're more correct in saying he doesn't understand human nature, but that has nothing to do with hearing the mission or understanding irony or deeper meanings in statements. Part of his mistake its true is that he doesn't understand that by nature humans are both flawed and destructive but also noble, capable of changing and fixing their mistakes and eventually aiming higher. It's his failure to accept nuances of morality and paradoxical human behaviour that confused him about the mission, not because he took a single sentence at face value, come on man that is such a weak reason to destroy earth. Ultron couldn't understand things that Tony and we ourselves also dont quite understand, e.g. why do we try to save each other and then planet one moment, then continue to burn and smash it to pieces in the meantime? Why do we say we need things to change, then turn right around pour all our effort and energy into making things stay the same?
But I don't have any reason to believe that ultron understands irony. Jarvis was developed by Tony and it probably took multiple years for jarvis to fully understand irony. I don't think ultron understood irony because he got his mission to save earth instantly as he was created so he didn't get accustomed to human nature and therefore didn't understand irony unlike jarvis.
Good points! I was also very confused when he said Ultron coulnd´t understand irony
this is honestly one of the best articulations of the thought behind Age of Ultron I have heard. It's a good movie and deep, but gets washed over by those looking for pure action from the Avengers. Good job on this theory and video. well done.
I think the stones controls everything they're meant for, in fact the Mind Stone has it's own mind. So I think the Stone controls Ultron, Vision and Wanda in a certain way. That's why the love between Wanda and Vision is based on the parts of the stone in each one. I also think Ultron was in love of Wanda because of the same point. Also all the pain Wanda feels when Pietro and Vision are dead, is not only because the love she had for them, also because she was suffering about the parts of the Stone being killed/destroyed. And that makes now the Scarlet Whitch the only manifestation, not only of the Mind Stone, but also of the Infiny Gauntlet
love your comment, but remember Captain Marvel has the power of the Space Stone, so Scarlet Witch isn't the only one
yes. The power of the Mind Stone is powerful. When Thor tried to kill Thanos, he aimed at his chest instead of his neck.
This is not because Thor was stupid, but because Thanos controlled Thor's mind.
I’ve always thought this about Wanda and Vision. I always wondered if they really did love each other or if it was the essence the mind stone left in each one that attracted them to each other.
i like this
Ultron was a villain that deserved waaay more than just one film
on the animated shows they set him up quite well with multiple episodes
He's still my favorite MCU villain after all this time!
Although, Green Goblin was kind of amazing 🤩 nostalgia might be skewing me over the edge tho
@RecKlezZ he was in spider-man Homecoming
@Aerisot what? vision literally locked him out. it's a huge illogical plot hole that needs to be talked about, but Ultron himself admitted that his last sentry is last remnant of himself
Definitely! David Spader made the movie, an amazing performance!
There was more depth in his character than any of the others.
Marvels “what if ultron won” really is the Cherry on top to this theory. Instead of letting thanos being the galactic threat, ultron beloved the galactic threat. Amazing.
Watch "What if..? You will see what happen.
Ultron was a Multiverse threat Not galactic threat
Yes
The extreme detail in these movies from Marvel is amazingly awesome! How did they ever come up with such interwoven connections?? There are so many of them, it's amazing that it all didn't crash and burn but was exceedingly successful in telling the story! Its hard to believe that a human came up with such intricacies!!
@thefront Ok to break down that stroke of a paragraph you just wrote.
1) Not everyone is religious
2) Non religious people often don't believe in mystical beings, (santa). Also that is a christian icon, so why would an athiest believe in that?
3) That's not how the Big Bang theory works...
4) You're on the internet, not everyone agrees with you.
5) Just because one thing is a coincidence, doesn't mean everything is a coincidence.
6) You just said like 3 logical fallacies, you should read up on them before trying to state logic. Like Ad hominem, hasty generalization, and argument from personal incredulity.
@Zezeoris You must be joking! If you're not, then you must be an eight year old who still believes in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy, right? You also likely believe that there is no after life and that out of the one of the billionth chance that life was created out of the big bang, right?
God proves his existence through past, present, and future prophecies but since you believe that everything is a coincidence, you'll just refuse to believe in anything that makes any sort of sense except to explain it away as a coincidence. What a shame!
@thefront Gratz, you don't believe in coincidences, that doesn't mean no one else does.
@NVGEAR Sorry man, but I don't believe in coincidences! A man doesn't become a millionaire by mistake! This many connections doesn't happen by mistake! A watch wasn't accidentally made! Someone had to design it and make it, right??
I hope you're response was satire because if not, I feel sorry for you!
Lol it wasn't intentional, the fans just make it so by connecting all the convenient coincidences and discarding the inconvenient ones so it can be woven into a background story and explanations on KZclip.
with the current status of humanity, the villain is always right.
I always relate to the so called villain over the so called hero's
I really really wish they had given Ultron at least twice the screen time. He's an excellent villain, with such believable motivations, not to mention James Spader's incredible performance. Wish there was a way to bring him back for a rematch or something...
I think the mind stone was up to some shinanigans. Tony even reminds Banner, “we weren’t even close to creating the Ultron we envisioned. And now magically it’s on the loose?” I’m paraphrasing, but I think the mind stone wants to see it all burn. I wonder how vision keeps it in check.
Is it just me or WandaVision actually made Age of Ultron a better movie??
iS iT jUsT mE
It's an amazing movie. Loved it at the theatre and will forever
@Latt Fair.
@Chad Cognac no no no. There is no redeeming rise of skywalker
Ultron is a loser character.
Kalatron and Milotron are way better
I really hope they bring Ultron back, he's such a great villain, and James Spader is such a marvelous actor.
He could have a horcrux somewhere in the internet. Would he become Skynet, or Legion?
LOL 😂😂😂😂
He might POSSIBLY be alive still but who knows
I actually find it insane that they put so much detail into this images that 99% of people will overlook as him just "learning"
ive always thought that Wanda was able to utilize all of the abilities of the infinity stones as a result of her encounter with the mind stone. she is a walking infinity gauntlet. there is no way she died in multiverse of madness. she was the only avenger who could have beaten Thanos in a 1 vs 1.
@naihanchin Kempo I am not saying she was weak, I am saying she was poorly introduced and underdeveloped as a character. And we never saw her power used at a meaningful moment - in your own example, her defeating him would be less meaningful to fans than if it was another Avenger. Like a side-character that is overpowered and added to clutter.
She needed more of her own story before being thrown in all of that mess.
@Martinz Watcher she had him in mid air riping his armor apart like she was riping a bag of potato chips open broke his blade.piiicked up a ton of wreckgee an threw it at him ha he not told his own ship to rain fire down onn his troops wanda would have ripd his arms off
She almost defeated him in Endgame 1v1 and in that movie her powers were extremely watered down. If she was in her Scarlett Witch form, she could've literally blinked him out of existence.
Her chaos magic 100% protected her
@Martinz Watcher do u realize they are characters outside the movie? marvel didn't give any of them powers smh
Ultron is my favorite villain of the MCU, and unpopular opinion, Age of Ultron is one of my top 3 Marvel Movies. Watching it after watching Infinity War and Endgame and you realize just how well it set up everything that came after it. The amount of call backs between Age of Ultron and especially Engame are incredible, and Age of Ultron set up all the payoffs down the road. Like it or not, Ultron ties it all together.
I have always thought this movie much better than generally given credit for. It was nuanced and layered while also serving to shape future MCU films.
This video makes me appreciate the writers and directors more by making me see there is so much more depth to the story.
A movie loaded with exposition and "visions" is a good writing and directing to you?
@roman cortes Snyder cut is a decent film .. it just feels better cause the first one was so bad..also a 4hr movie ..the first 3 hours were almost the same and boring..final 30-45 mins was definitely good
@Clark Kent two decades !
@Mr. Mustard All those haters you see are Snyder and DC haters along with Marvel fans all combined. I understand you don't think the Snyder cut is great but you gotta admit it has more fans than haters. One way to prove that is how all the fans let their voices be heard in social media to release the Snyder Cut.
@roman cortes I said it's average to me. Art is subjective, so what if my opinion is different than the majority? It's not like I'll get killed for that.
And I'm not a Snyder nor DC Hater. I like his '300' Movie along with 'Dawn of the Dead', and I'm also not a DC Hater - there's a few DC Heroes I dislike, but that also applies to Marvel, so...
And I don't think there's a small amount of Snyder Haters. I've been in a lot of videos criticizing Justice League or something (I just like watching people roast stuff, don't judge me) and I found a surprising amount of Haters.
I like this theory
Also. It goes back to the origins of mind stone - who you gain ALL KNOWLEDGE of the universe if you possess it
Which is why i think thanos knew tony….
“Your not the only one cursed with knowledge”
he had the mind stone first
The Mind Stone only shows you what it wants to, and it Controls minds. I believe that Wanda just had the "Chaos Magic" powers, and rather than enhancing those, it "Gave" her the Vision powers temporarily. You noticed that she never used those again after Age of Ultron? That's because she gave it what it wanted: A body to walk, and fly around in. There's also some other stuff in there, some Ultron (Which is also an amagomation, there's some Banner in Ultron, too) but the Vision was the Mind Stone's plan all along. That's the "Villain" for lack of a better word, for this film. (With the caveat that the Hero is Tony Stark, but only because you're rooting for the Avengers to Save the World. Self Preservation is the only thing that keeps Tony from being the Villain.) Ultron is at least as much a pawn as Wanda is.
I interpreted it as Wanda reading Ultrons mind and seeing the future he wanted for Vision. She couldn’t read his mind before because he wasn’t human, but thanks to the Mind Stone, she could see Ultrons true intentions for Vision.
Great insight!!!
I'm surprised you didn't put in the moment where Banner said that Vision was actually a combination of All of them: Vision, Ultron, Banner/Hulk, Stark and the Mind Stone. So he was still uploaded into the new body but in a more diluted way.
Thank you for this. I’ve always loved the MCU Ultron as a villain and I don’t understand the ridicule he gets. This video elevates him in character and stature. I wish they bring back an improved, more ruthless Ultron 2.0 at a later date.
The execution of the movie is probably why he is seen as a joke. Age of ultron had it's serious moments but was overshadowed by too many comedic aspects. It should have had a more serious tone like winter soldier instead of having a fun comedic tone like thor ragnorock.
Tony didn’t create Ultron (the villain), Tony and Bruce (and JARVIS) were examining the program within the mind stone, before the program became aware and Ultron created Ultron using the bodies of Tony’s drones.
Proto-Ultron got access to senses in the real world, and then almost immediately afterward, the entirety of the internet. The plan was probably to start off small and build towards the sum total of all human knowledge, but Infinity stones be infinite.
Cap didn’t refuse to sign the accords because of his code of honor. He refused to sign the accords because he knows that government entities and organizations can become corrupt. Caps objection to the accords is brought directly from the winter soldier where he had to fight shield because shield became corrupted by hydra.
@Veladus but it’s not something Tony would ever be able to just understand. And it’s not like Cap ever did a good job explaining where he was coming from. He just goes “we surrender our right to choose!!”.
Don't know where they pulled that code of honor crap since Cap specifically states his reason for not signing the accords. He even provides a hypothetical and says that governments can either fail to act on time or maliciously withhold rescue efforts. Cap views the avengers more like a team of firefighters vs. Tony who views the avengers as an elite fighting force.
@Dub Line idk I still think cap had greater reasons to go against Tony. Because he already has seen when stark tries to stop things before they happen with the ultron robots and the destruction of skovia. With the fact that in winter soldier hydra was I infiltrated inside of sheild and had some jobs as government officials which if the avengers sign to the accords hydra would be able to control them. With how corrupt our governments are currently and with how untrustworthy the un can be it gives cal even more reasons to not sign it. I do understand Tony’s reasons but we live on a planet where you have no freedom. And might even be possibly killed by corrupt officials for doing nothing wrong. The battle of New York and sakovia weren’t that bad. Like obviously people die which cannot be avoided but the main thing is saving as many people as possible which the avengers do pretty well. Theirs always going to be casualties in wars but if you give up 100 people it’s age 200 then in the long run it’s more worth
@Stephen Weiss holy fucking shit you’re really smart
Ultron had potential, a run amok AI. Immortal, able to take over machines, access to almost infinite knowledge. Would have made a great baddie in a lot of movies.
I always think. What if ultron didn’t take Tony’s words literally, he actually helped the way tony wanted him to. Would he simply be like a strong man vision or would he attempt to help rid the team of their flaws?
I have this idea for a scene in a show/movie or whatever where vision says something in response like “we visit an old friend” and something something basically vision is in a singular computer system like Zola did, which would explain why even though he is in the internet he was supposedly destroyed
Anyways I want a what if episode about this stuff, and also, who gave him the ego? Lol
Ultron knows the stone was in the scepter because he was downloaded from it.
Which was probably also in Stark's records/Jarvis, which he also scanned in his first moments.
As Ultron said when he first met the Avengers: "You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to change" and his view of things like "Humans need to evolve to survive" which has been happening since the birth of the very first lifeform in the universe. It's just that his action is too extreme. Everything needs to change in order to survive and develop.
The line from ultron: "and you will tear them apart from the inside." May have had a deeper meaning than her doing that in that movie. Meaning ultron could mean the events of wandavision, multiverse of madness and future events. I still think ultron will be the big enemy of either this or the next set of movies...say 2023 forward.
Ultron was probably my favorite villain in the MCU so far. Most of my friends didn't like the movie as much, but I feel like Ultron was a near perfect example of young AI imbued with too much power. Better Sci-fi than most of the MCU
Hela is mine.
yea me too hes one of my favorite villains
Every time i see avengers age of Ultron on tv i stop and watch until the end, i saw this movies like 10 times and still love to watch
Ultron is my best MCU villain of all time cos he was the only villain to expose their egotistical flaws and truly beat the avengers to the point where they never REALLY recovered. I mean they had to go back in time to beat Thanos, I wouldn't call that winning. Ultron really ripped them apart, not cos the avengers movies needed good storytelling but cos it was inevitable for some to come along and see how truly unworthy they really were (like Bane to Batman), but Ultron's flaw was underestimating human beings tenacity and drive to ultimately evolve (slowly but surely) especially when threatened.
@vpx23Ultron also said he would save humanity which is completely unrelated but he died for it
Age of Ultron has always been my favorite to go back and watch, because it’s like an establishment episode of the Avengers. The Whole Team is together. Ultron wasn’t what I was hoping for because of my expectations of past versions. This video made me like Ultron so much more. Thanks 😊
Honestly I wish there was more of ultron
He is not only entertaining on screen but his justification for destroying humanity after looking at the main human data base is more justified than thanos in my pov
I wonder if ultron will ever come back, he's incredibly likely to have survived, be it simply from a backup or any of his bodies being reactivated
The whole reason Ultron had the personality that he had, in trying to erase humanity.. is because he judged humanity. The reason he judged humanity is for the same reason the original owners of the infinity stones did, although he didnt know it.
The original owners of the infinity stones were the celestials, who literally went around seeding planets with life, and then coming back after a while and then judging the value of the life that had evolved there. Ultron did the same thing because that is what the stone that housed his consciousness was used for by the celestials.
His personality and motivation to judge life, was a mental echo of the celestials, who used to use that "mind" stone for that purpose.
I remember in interviews Whedon or someone else in charge of the movie said that the reason Ultron is the way he is is because he was a second old and was shown all the horror, all the violence, all the atrocities of mankind's entire existence. And it really, really fucked him up. As it would anyone that got all that horror dumped into them all at once, especially when they only just gained consciousness for the first time.
My biggest criticism with the movie (and I have many, believe me) is how poorly they portrayed that in the movie. Essentially they show him seeing flashes of war zones and massacres and going "WTF is this?!?" for a moment as he comes online, then it's never brought up again. I hate it. It's such a fantastic reason for his being a deranged monster, better than any of the fan theories, and we can only find it out by reading interviews online? That's a pretty epic failure.
As per the marvel theory(which is mine), Ultron might have been the one who could brutally murder Thanos and then create a Nexus event. Loki was the one which was supposed to kill thanos but he went against Kang's decision and found Kang.
You're mentioning that Ultron takes Stark literally, because he doesn't understand irony. This is why Jarvis' melding with the Mind Stone is why Vision is essentially a "perfect" being. Irony is essential in the understanding of human nature. Jarvis is an A.I. program that understands irony, because Stark is incapable of communication without irony and satire.
I don't think irony is necessarily essential to understanding all human nature but most I guess lol
learn the difference between irony and sarcasm
@Serwaa A ahhhh, perfect example 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Great observation!
One is iron man the other one is irony... That sums it all up... Perfect analysis
Such well planned well pictured storyline and movie making will never ever exist, hats off to MCU for making 27 movies and counting that tie into each other so intuitively.
I would have thought Ultron tried to prevent the birthing of the Celestial inside Earth.
Whereas Thanos plan would have given our planet 69 nice years, his would have pretty much restarted the clock.
Under Ultron's guidance, humanity would have developed advanced technology before our numbers grew large enough to feed the baby and leave the planet.
Whoever hides these theories in plain sight in the marvel universe is a genius. Someone give him a time stone so he can be immortal.
ultron was a hyperinteligent AI that used predictive algorithms to predict threats and deal with them BEFORE they happened i wouldn't be surprised if he saw something on that scale happening, he might not have been able to predict the exact specifics like who would be responsible but in the very least he probably saw something happen that sent him off the deep end into pseudo villainy, i say pseudo because while his actions could be perceived as evil he was doing them for the purpose of greater good, it would just be hard to recognize that at the time :p
The idea that Ultron follows or he tries to implement is awesome. He is a great philosopher!!! It would be awesome if he was alive and he could have stopped Thanos. ( Enemy of your enemy is your friend)
I never realised how full and informative the scene where Ultron flashes through the internet and human history is.
Joss Whedon is a genius. it sucks he had to fall into the mess
@Henry Aung based
How could you not realize
Perhaps the mind stone influenced Strucker to choose the twins to begin with.
wow.
such an awesome analysis! loved it!
Two points:
6:02 "Creators create the thing they dread." I think this is the crux of the movie, humanity itself, I would say. It's not so much that we are our own worst enemy kind of thing nor a statement about hypocrisy, but rather we are all flawed and we make mistakes. And ultimately, we commit the same mistakes as those we fight against.
14:16 "you want to protect the world but you don't want it to change." I think this is also a key point of the movie and that is _who_ decides what is best. Ultron had his idea - only he, Ultron, could do the job. The Avengers say - we are the best. And Thanos says - I have a plan and that is to snap my fingers.
16:00 "he was incapable of recognizing the beauty of something fleeting" And I think that is the main point. The universe has a beginning, and one day, the universe will end. Humanity has a beginning, and one day, humanity will no longer be. Individually, we are born, and one day, each of us will die. There is no such thing as permanence. So just enjoy what we have it, and make the best of it.
And perhaps that is what distinguishes The Avengers from Ultron and Thanos, and that is all they want is to permit humanity to make their own choices. Not so much "we don't want it, humanity, to change." but rather we want to give humanity the opportunity to choose for itself.
I love your analysis of the movie. It was super awesome!
ultron also said “wanda if you stay here youll die” and in multiverse of madness wanda was crushed.
Wasn't my favourite avenger movie but ultron himself was really well done, i still get chills thinking about that there's no strings on me monologue he did. Love James spaders voice to!
"Keep your friends rich and your enemies rich and wait and see which is which." Great quote tbh.
“God’s righteous man, pretending you could live without a war.” That line stood with me for a while, for how deep it cut Steve.
I didn't perceive it cutting him, but more like he was stunned to have that inaccurate a project pasted upon him. Steve doesn't see himself as Galahad, but as the underdog granted the ability to shut down bullies.
It’s biblical reference. “God’s righteous man” is the archangel Micheal. He fought is brother Lucifer. It mean that even Christianity is based on war
"I can't physically throw up in my mouth..."
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@Former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani The battles fought to preserve "peace on earth, goodwill toward men" produced a minimum of 500,000,000 dead men; not included here are the displaced, wounded and missing. Between 1917-1991 seven countries killed 55,000,000 civilians by genocide.
The United Nations (UN) was founded to maintain world peace. According to Harry Truman, it was the moment to usher in the "greatest era of world peace that has ever existed" (1950): 102 wars in 48 years. More people were killed in war in the 20th century than between 90 A.D. and 1900. The United Nations funded wars with the Palestinians (2000), the 9/11 bombing in New York (2001), Indonesia (2001), and Libya (2001).
The truth about war in the 20th century
major wars - 12
secondary wars - 21
liberation revolutions - 23
successions or internal revolutions to gain power - 16
civil wars for regime change - 36
military interventions - 24
350'000 deaths per year: a total of 13'500'000 losses, not counting 55'000'000 deaths by genocide. 144 wars in 53 years! One war every 4.5 months (1946-1999), almost three wars per year (one every 133 days)!
I have no doubt that this is the best analysis of a whole Avengers context I have ever seen. Congrats for the content and effort.
That was a very well done video. Makes me want to go back and watch Age of Ultron to really think through it
Feel so bad for Hawkeye.. everybody forgets him
Damn Ryan, I think you just delivered a masterclass in how to expertly break down a character and their motivations.
I love the mcu villains so much, they have so much character besides being big and evil. If you just watch the movies for the hell of it, you can just see the villains how they are on the outside, but if you look into it and look st the details you can find that they all have a motive and usually are misunderstood. Saying this doesnt mean that destroying the world isnt bad lol
Man I feel like Ultron is criminally underrated because the movie was kinda weak. I'd love it if they brought him back somehow, and not just because James Spader is an incredible actor with an even better voice.
I feel they should've stuck to the more serious robotic Ultron & I feel like he was severely nerfed in the movie
This movie wasted Ultron. Even the deep dives don't do much to save the movie since it's as formulaic as a hero movie gets. There are no tragedies, stakes are the usual destruction of everything or whatever and all their inner struggles has no impact on their fight against Ultron. This movie suffers the sequelitis problem and practically echoes the first Avengers movie. This would have been an alright movie but the Winter Soldier (2014) did a much better job at exploring the complexities of the MCU.
Maybe ant-mam builds a new ultron. Like how he made ultron in the comics.
James spader won't be back probably he's kinda persona non grata in Hollywood rn. I'm surprised he's still on the blacklist
@Suda nothing, just too much time on my hands
Man maybe a little long, but the way you told this story it makes you almost forget this is all a movie for a second. Awesome video, very entertaining! Thumbs up!
Damn, I never realized all of the historical references and quotes that referenced the past as a a foreshadowing to what is to come. Goes to show how deep marvel goes into the little things.
"but to understand ultron we have to understand his train of logic"
Me, who understood him from the beginning and was actually rooting for him to win the entire time: ._.
We saw what Ultron would do to Thanos in "What If"
The timeline would've been extremely different to say the least
What If...? is always taking the piss in the comics, and the TV series was much, MUCH, *MUCH* worse. I'm constantly arguing Thanos is much weaker than people claim, but him getting bisected by a quick strafe from Ultron is weapons grade stupid. And one of the VERY few rules to the Infinity Stones is that they only work on their own native universe. Stones from Universe A are completely inert in Universe B. They even keep that hard rule during crossovers. There's a bit where Darkseid gets the infinity gauntlet, but he tosses it in the garbage because it doesn't work in his reality and he doesn't care about Marvel's. Ultron absolutely could not become a multiversal threat because he has the stones. Outside of their own universe, they're just pretty rocks.
What If...? is usually amusing stories, but they aren't to be taken seriously even by comic standards.
I keep seeing you everywhere
Good to see ultron having a mystery entrance chance again
“Ultron created a body so he could fight Thanos. Presumably, he would have done a better job than Vision did.”
What If: *Well, You’re not wrong.*
Right lol turned him to deli meat in a split second
Vision was shown weak for the script if he was there Thanos couldn't do anything that's why they have to eliminate vision 1st that's why they showed him weak
Oh sh-
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@Hunter Wiland Well, Ultron is literally the most advanced AI of the world, his brain is like trillions times faster than human brain. When he saw Thanos for the first time, in a split of second he made lots and lots of processing and analyzing, he already anticipated all of Thanos's steps and he came to the conclusion that the better way he could deal with that situation was killing that enigmatic creature and analyze the strange artifacts he was caring.
I love this because this definitely tells ultron is not a villain.
Spader nailed the performance of Ultron! Despite the general consensus, this is one of my favorite films, not just MCU
Would explain how he defeated Thanos so easily in what if. Seeing as he was expecting Thanos, and him saying "fascinating" wasnt in surprise but intrigued that what he was shown was true.
I wonder how Ultron would have reacted if he had known about the Eternals, and that Earth is just an incubation chamber for an infant Celestial and what Tiamut's birth would require.
"Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all"
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What a great quote
@Mr. Flicky da-bean 😂😂that quote suits u ...idk y ur seeing from the perspective of logic alone...but not the real indepth meaning which depends upon ur feelings and tat as everyone says comes from heart!
Good quote
@Jah you can't educate your heart... it's just a muscle and a quaint notion to represent other aspects of the mind.
Explains the pathetic beliefs of all that is said about ww2
@Hadia Mohammad Khwaja You are right, it was falsely attributed to arristotle. Can't find whom the quote actually belongs to, nonetheless it is a great quote regardless of who it's creator may be.
Story telling at its best. With so many scary truths.
I never got that part... if the mind stone gave Wanda her powers, why did it give her powers other than those of the mind stone?
I need to see the alternate universe where Ultron succeeded!
What's cool all about this is that if an Ultron or Thanos like creature came to correct things, there would not be any avenger to stop it.
Great video I think I found a link in between Ultron and the mutants. If Ultron new about Pietro and Wanda surviving a Stark made weapon. Then he would know when creating a army of heroes. He would be hinting at the X-Men and other hero's to come. So knowing that there is a chance where we might get to see Ultron again. This would be my theory on how we would see that happen. If Ultron already knew about the mutants and recruiting them to be his army. Then he knows it the levels of mutants. As we found out in the X-Men movie. Magneto was doing the same thing. So how Ultron would come back is professor Xavier would use his telepathic ability to use Ultron as a recruiter. Then when magneto uses his power to bring Ultron to him. He would have someone like Jean Grey use it to find out Professor Xavier plan. In between 2 Omega level mutants using Ultron would reboot him. Ultron the would set out to eliminate the X-Men. We would then see the X-Men team up with the Avengers to stop Ultron.
The directors must be like "FINALLY! Someone understood what we wrote"
ah yes, a convoluted villain full of exposition that still requires extra research and hours of analysis. Great writing there chief!
@Filthy Clown bruh I feel like this is a bit different than that high school English bullshit. They really did mean a lot of the deeper meanings
@Jayline Ed shush little boy
@Sayesha Rajdutt because he was using Snyder's script.
And because Snyder is an awful awful writer. Which is why all Snyder movies suck. And the best movies that he made are decent at best.
Whereas Joss Whedon have a whole repertoire of great movies, comics, and TV shows.
This is awesome. I really like Age Of Ultron. But I lack the attention span and brain power to have picked up on all of this. This just makes me like the movie and Ultron even more
Yeah Ultron definitely handled Thanos like a boss with the upgraded body in What If…?
Great content, wow!!
I had no idea Ultron was so complex
Well now Thanos has more story of his intentions now and I think it goes way beyond Ultron.
I know I'm late to the party, but you're giving the writers waaaaaay too much credit.
I like the theory where after spending 5 minutes on the internet, Ultron decides to kill us all.
Imagine getting the full brunt of 4chan in a few minutes, I’m surprised he didn’t draw a big ass swastika on his forehead lol
@Jacob Tirk if he was around when tik tok was, he would of set off the nuclear weapons after 5 clips
I mean if you've seen humans violate things from a FISH a DAMN FISH, to violating greys in laboratories...... nay THE CORPSES of these E.T's you would be more than enraged...
@Local Dad In Your Area I'm not saying he's wrong bro LOL. It's perfectly understandable
Have you seen the amount of active Rick Roll links on the internet lol who wouldn’t take us out 🤣
“Ultron doesn’t want to kill everyone on earth”
What If: Ultron wins and destroys every human being.
The only problem with the ultron knowing about thanos is the fact that he was suprised about it in what if
Edit: i mean about the other stones he was confused about both thanos and the stones
It feels as Wanda and Pietro already had the mutant gene and the mind stone unlocked that potential before they did it naturally. And maybe this is something that's going to happen in the future. If Wanda has the powers of the mind stone, she can possibly unlock the mutant genes for everyone on the planet, making the mutants even more present in the MCU.
Maybe other mutants, like Wolverine, Magneto and Xavier already existed in the MCU, but they're very obscure so nobody knows who they are, and Wanda makes even more present mutants like Cyclops or Jean or Storm (the younger mutants) appear in the world.
Evolution always takes time, and Wanda's actions may speed up that process for the humans that carry the mutant gene.
The vibe of age of ultron is one of my favorite in the mcu and ultron is one change away from being a top 3 villain
I am glad we got to see on What If episode 8 and 9 on how it might have been like if Ultron won.
James spader as ultron was underrated. I get people wanted him to sound more like a robot. But he was literally made by stark. It's inevitable that he's going to have his personality
@Sid Jones The character was amazing what are you even talking about.
I keep hearing how Ultron should not have a moving mouth or sound more like a robot....he is a cutting edge technology that needs to communicate with humans (at least for now) Gods, Man, does Siri or Alexa or even your cell phone sound like a robot anymore?!?!?! This isn't a 1950's sci-fi movie....
@OHCAM5 I think if it was Raymond Reddington in an advance suit like that we would be more than fucked. Hell he concocts so many elaborate plans to setup the FBI to do his dirty work.
he is literally Raymond Redington in a robot suit.
@House Anaconda Ant-Man was actually too similar to Tony for their tastes which is why they used Scott and had Hank be a retired Ant-Man. That and the incident with Janet and Yellow Jacket you know the one.
I like Ultron because of James Spader. They really could not have found a better actor to do the voice-over... James Spader is one of the best anti-heros in any modern TV show (The Blacklist) right next to Deadpool.
I absolutely loved James spader as Ultron.
It's my go to movie cz even in Chaos it teaches to be calm and collected as Ultron was even when he was struck by mjonir.
He was singing.
What's even better is that ultron's motive to wipe out humanity could actually end the emergence on Earth.
Yeah he kinda doing what Thanos would do but with extra steps
Ultron is the Braniac of Marvel. He is the AI always underestimated, always defeated, but ALWAYS comes back.
The way ultron was talking the entire time in the "age of ultron" movie sounded like how James spader was talking the entire time in his stint with "the office", USA version. Looks like he never really did exert effort to change the voicing characteristic and have some variation in delivering his lines. I never really saw the series "blacklist" but I guess even in that show, he is talking in the same manner and tone...
I bet that’s why age of ultron is so underrated because people never put the pieces together for the movie to actually make sense
@Epstein Evidence
Ironically is meant to be an irony Lol. Painful truth pills are hard to swallow. Thus the spoonfed thingy.
@Fearless Paladin ironic that you post this on a video that spoonfeeds and entertains people.
Well, Thanos has more story of his intentions now and I think it goes way beyond Ultron.
Sheeple aren't used in to thinking, they want to be entertained and spoonfed.
Like most masterpieces.
You know after watching this....I really wish that "what if" would have had this version of ultrons philosophy and see what exactly would have happened.
Good video and perspective but let’s just say that ultron thought he was going to be vision so when ultron used the mind stone to look at the future he might of saw the relationship between Vision and Wanda and thought maybe Wanda was going to be his future gf since vision and Wanda build a strong relationship in the future.
I'm suprised ultron hasn't said anything for this long. Ultron is almost always alive, no matter what you do.