You could apply that to basically anyone that has a slightly above average understanding of vocabulary and public speaking. Ironic how you say the world has gone mad
@Amanda Castle With the energy people expend fighting this kind of thing, they could just go along with it. And get on with their day, because in the end others would feel better and no actual, tangible harm would come to those that are fighting this.
Difference is he is ridiculing and disrespecting them. I had a white teacher who refused to call me by my name which is a Hispanic name and it’s pronounced in Spanish which is Jose. he refused to pronounce it correctly or to say it in Spanish. It was a power trip on his part. Sorry not sorry …you want respect you give it. He can’t serve crap and then get pissed when people throw it back at him..
I appreciate and truly respect Doctor Peterson, but I also believe that many of us don't have enough knowledge or proper awareness of our society to be able to confront those radical behaviors and ideas as this man does, so I think he speaks for and educates us.
Wow. That is great journalism. The moderator has two sides of the debates, asks direct questions and gets out of the way without taking a side. That’s old school. Need more of that
@Ilya Tereshkevich Nah he picked a side, if you analyze the situation like someone out of middle school, you’ll see the defensive nature of the commentator and his desperate attempts to APPEAR fair and impartial. Oh, and when Peterson called them out? OOP, we outta time!!! How convenient
Neither side seems particularly sensible. There are numerous anti-trans folk (many in this thread) who have completely misinterpreted Jordan Peterson's stance, but have decided he agrees with them and then they misrepresent what he actually stands for. This of course has lead to a bunch of other people deciding to berate Jordan Peterson for being anti-trans. Jordan Peterson is not anti-trans (as far as I've been able to tell). He does not see being trans as a problem. The issue he is arguing against is the use of legislation to force people to... be nice? Not only is that absurd, but as he explains it's entirely unwieldy in this instance. If I refer to someone as "they" that is an entirely gender neutral term. Anyone can be referred to as "they" - whether they be a he, a she, or a zee. If someone has a problem with being referred to as "they" I'm really not sure how to respond to that. Someone can say their pronouns are whatever they want, but if they have a problem with "they" I can't accept that (I also have an even bigger problem with the anti-trans folk who insist "they" is only plural and for some reason like to use that as an excuse to lash out at trans people). If one of my friends asked me to refer to them as "zee/zim" I'd do it in a heartbeat, but putting this *into law* is ridiculous. Perhaps legislation to ban misgendering someone would be ok - don't refer to a he as a she or a zee as a he. But even then what if someone just... makes a mistake? Are they in legal peril because of a simple slip of the tongue? And disallowing people from simply referring to others as "they" is ridiculous.
I am so proud of Dr. Jordan Pederson who is a true authentic loving human being who is my hero because it is extremely harmful to make people speak a certain way and its so horrific to enforce their words into my own thoughts and mouth. Thank you for those who stand up for our rights for what we say and how we speak. People have lost what it means to be kind. Abusive and power, and control over another is enforcing something that isn't true to be true and that is lies.
@Brian Delaney hes cried on several occasion about the suffering of man and it pains him deeply how much struggle everyone has to go through so he makes it his business to reach out as much as possible to the extent that he can.
As a child I often thought my parents judgements were unfair. For example not being allowed out as late as my peers etc. however as an adult I thank God for my parents and there wisdom. What we're seeing now is the result of spoiled indulged children gaining adulthood
It’s interesting to notice that Jordan never looks down at any notes while the other person is constantly looking at a script. Jordan knows his subject completely while the other person needs to work of an agenda.
Jordan Peterson is amazing on so many levels-insightful, able to defend his position without seeming defensive, welcomes debate, and lives within his values. Kudos to him!
@thunderbolts 24 You live in a little bubble if you have never seen a gender queer person with a high paying job like yikes where are you from dude. Go to any major city and just look around.
It’s gotten to the point that people will be afraid to address others because they don’t know what their preferred pronouns are anymore. I’ve seen a persons preference to be called “ clownish” ( yes, they were serious) Now, people are addressing strangers as “ hi, what’s your pronoun?” It’s creating confusion. How healthy is that? They are forcing you to accept their beliefs but don’t care about anyone else’s.
Me and my male friend were approached by some student conducting surveys at a museum. The purpose of the survey is to get our opinions regarding female minority artists. The first question is “What is your gender?” My friend and I were both confused. Excuse me? We were thinking does he not look like a man and do I not look like a woman? We were both still identified as the gender we were born as, and it’s impossible to be mistaken. I know people try to be inclusive for less than 1% of population out there, but they are offending everyone else.
@FN Cinder I agree with you. If the person is polite about it, and I care about them, I will try to remember to use the terms they prefer, but ze and zer, and all the crazy talk is NOT going to happen. I am educated, and well read, and I will not sound like an illiterate fool talking nonsense…I’ll leave the word salad to Kamala, lol.
@Kat Brinson I agree completely. I don’t know where you draw the line but mine is I call you by your birth gender and birth pronouns, at least at this point in my life because my friends that use alternate pronouns are not very committed to them. I can’t be arsed with what some people try and get you to say or do. Sorry if that sounded like a vent but I can’t talk to anyone I know irl about this without some feeling of judgement.
Props to Jordan for sticking to his guns and making well thought points as usual. But also props to the interviewer for ensuring both speakers had the chance to speak and challenging both speakers on their points evenly. Jordan won this debate fair and square
God watching this is Soo hard. The difference in being intelligent and structured in a truthful manner to the best of one's ability. Jordan is so amazingly caring that he will speak the truth if he believes it's in society's best interests even if it means him constantly being attacked. Jordan you are an amazing human being.
Thank God exist people like Mr Peterson to fight for what is right!! I have huge respect for him!! He is an amazing man, clearly amazing teacher and this world needs more people like him!!!👏👏👏👏
I started laughing when Peet said just to program your phone for the individual to remember what pronoun to use and it's really super easy. How did we get here?
@RedBurns That is why, when we meet somone and greet them, saying " hello I AM ? WHAT DO I CALL YOU. SIR MAAM, PROFFESOR?" To which they repyl zar or zim ... ENTER the parallel Universe where you know your patience is going to be sorely tested.
This guy is a friggin hero. Every interview of his that I watch always ends with him using logic in a well articulated manner, and his opposition arguing that his logic is unsound because of how it makes them feel. They shoot themselves in the foot every time. If only they’d aim a bit higher….
8:28 Is it so difficult to remember someone's pronoun? Well, according to you, yes, because you keep forgetting them and need to store them in your phone.
ha ha - that's a good one. btw - the translgbtq etc. group websites remind us that people are free to change their pronouns whenever they wish, so that makes it even more difficult to remember or know them.
Free speech! You mean the opposite don't you. I mean he's doing the exact opposite isn't he/it/they. If people want to be called something and you block it isn't that opposing free speech
He’s my favourite person right now. So glad he’s speaking on this! This pronoun stuff has gone crazy. You’re either a girl or a boy. You can call yourself whatever you like but don’t expect others to. They may choose to but it’s not an obligation.
Imagine having to write down someone's name and their pronouns on a list on your phone or whatever you decide to write it on and have to be like "oh wait" and just take a quick look to avoid offending someone, unbelievable...and BEING CALLED LAZY FOR NOT DOING IT.
because it is laziness, why would you proceed to offend someone just because you find it wrong to provide them with, in their opinion, “common courtesy.” be respectful to people or don’t refer to them 🤷
The professor Pete literally didn’t bring any proof, Jordan Peterson literally brought proof and logic for every thing he said. Also kudos to the moderator - such a neutral way to get both sides of the topic out!
JP is the living example of "Do what you say", As he always says to listen to what people has to say, you might know something new. That right there JP is focused on listening what opposite person has to say rather than intervening in the middle of conversation like the right person. That's why JP answers are always on point without any hesitation.
What is interesting is that he is constantly attacked but he doesn't ever attack the other professor. That peacefully way of talking comes from the knowledge that he knows he is right.
The hard part for me is, I too admit and this admittance by myself has no bearing on my opinion about pronouns or the LGBTQ community. I personally forget my own family members phone numbers and names sometimes 🤣. I mean if I don't remember the pronoun you want to be addressed by, I now am in jeopardy of someone saying that I am discriminating against them? That's absurd. I mean if your name is David and I call you Charlie, that's not descrimination it's an honest mistake. I do see this creating a lot of headaches for millions of Americans, regardless of your political or whatever views. Hell I know a ton of folks from the baby boomer era, that can't figure out how to text on a phone. So how do you think they're going to remember the pronouns to address folks by. Saying I know I won't remember the pronouns for every individual doesn't mean I'm lazy and I'm not saying I wouldn't necessarily try I'm just saying there are bigger fish to fry than this matter. I'm sorry.
@will jeff - is he well "posed," ? I admit he does have nice posture. Or, did you mean to say "Poised," and thus basically admitting you don't know how to proof read and or just don't know how to use words. This is why no matter how correct or not Peterson might be, he will never be taken seriously because he is propped up by supporters that don't know how to use a dictionary.
How can JP even stay so calm with so much ridiculous people around him and even more...how can he discuss with them and SERIOUSLY thinking he can change them for good. The admiration i have for this guy grows to insane levels already.
What they fail to understand is that it's appalling at a fundamental level when things like that are legislated. It sets a very dangerous precedent for things to follow.
@Kamal LB Socially, maybe. Protecting the LGBT isn't on either "far". Protecting innocents from being bullied or killed is a moderate stance. Bullying and killing innocents in the name of "science" and "free speech", now that is some extreme levels of lunacy.
What needs to be reminded here is that we cannot simply tell people what to say and think especially if they are the ones who want freedom of speech also
Amen...as if society has not enough problems..now we have to study what pronoun to use...I won't be surprised if one day chimpanzees will rule over us..,😂
@Antonio A. Jepkoko because the Holy Bible states, they oppose themselves. Read the new testament of the King James Bible to understand the spirit behind this. It's not a joke.
@sonicblast123 wow killer insult, not childish at all to only be able to resort to an insult because someone's not like you are and doesnt mock people for having different views, not to mention views that support ppl rather than bully them
The professor is wrong about names too. I met a young gent today called Benjamin. He said he preferred to be called Benj but most people disregard that and shorten him to the standard Benji. He just laughed it off and said I could call him Benji too. Nicknames are actually a sign of endearment. When people lovingly give you a nickname it means they've accepted you.
The weird thing about pronouns is that I would never have any reason to use a pronoun when speaking directly to anyone. I would only use a pronoun when speaking ABOUT a person to someone else. The person would have no idea which pronouns I was using if they weren't there. It's total narcissism.
Jordan Peterson is the bomb! A good listener, answers questions precisely and on par, does not stray from the subject matter of the conversation, he's well educated, is not afraid of the hard topics, has many examples to back up his comments and is very fluent and has a very broad and diverse vocabulary that is much bigger than most people. He's also very handsome to! Love Jordon Peterson.
@D S if you got offended, that's right, by being offended it triggers your capableness to think about your rebuttal. therefore in order to be able to think probably and more often literally you have to risk being offensive because truth has no sugar coating.
Imagine someone hijacking they/them as their first and second person pronouns; you're in a group setting with that person and you need to use those third person pronouns correctly to communicate with other people in the room. You don't get your own pronouns.
I'm just glad that in my language (Tagalog), we use the same pronouns for both male and female. This is all so confusing. And I agree-- why the need to legislate?
The world hasn't gone mad..just a small minority of people trying to force their way of life down everyone's throats. I thought the world had pretty much reached the point where everyone is happy to let each live the way they choose.By assuming their opinions and agenda are more important than anyone else's ,they are only damaging and diminishing their intended cause.Surely they must know that each individual is entitled to their own opinion.You can't force your opinion on others..Thats how wars start.
I feel so hurt to hear this. He's just saying what he stands for, what seems more than just logical and he protects or helps so many. And then smn says he doesn't have a conscience? That he should bring peace and justice? What do you think he's doing?? He must be very strong minded, glad he knows what he's doing. Thank you, JP
There's stopping people from all from doing something that is offensive compared to forcing people to take on some to take on something that people can find king find offensive One thing to get rid of bad stuff a different thing to implement and force people to do something can't make people do stuff but you can't stop people from doing it
Jordan is the man... he knows exactly what's up and they don't like him because he is well educated and critiques and says things that need to be said. There is a reason he has so much support. We are not all one mind and we need to start surrendering to that fact instead of attempting to force others to think, do and be exactly as we want them to be!
The amazing thing is that if Jordan Peterson was walking around 10 years ago saying the things he is saying in this debate, people's response would have been, "No duh." The world has gone insane.
Jordan Peterson. DO NOT GIVE IN‼️ YOUR VOICE is the voice of 80% of the people within the United States AND Canada‼️ Stay strong‼️ We are right behind you and catching up Fast‼️ Others, like myself; have reached their limit waiting for society to correcting itself🤷♂️‼️ We are now speaking out too👍‼️
The reason this guy is so popular is because our world has gone mad and he's saying what most of us are thinking but very eloquently
You could apply that to basically anyone that has a slightly above average understanding of vocabulary and public speaking. Ironic how you say the world has gone mad
@Amanda Castle With the energy people expend fighting this kind of thing, they could just go along with it. And get on with their day, because in the end others would feel better and no actual, tangible harm would come to those that are fighting this.
It's so intriguing to me that a group that demands you accept them, will stop at nothing to ruin your life if they dont accept you.
The bullied have become the bully
I identify as an ambulance and my pronouns are nee/naw
@J Jordan Peterson is ridiculing the trans community? What you smoking 😂
That's the problem
Difference is he is ridiculing and disrespecting them. I had a white teacher who refused to call me by my name which is a Hispanic name and it’s pronounced in Spanish which is Jose. he refused to pronounce it correctly or to say it in Spanish. It was a power trip on his part. Sorry not sorry …you want respect you give it. He can’t serve crap and then get pissed when people throw it back at him..
“Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be banned from thinking so as not to offend the imbeciles” - Fyodor Dostoevsky
GOSH I LOVE THIS!
@Matthewhahaha,you have made my day.
I identify as an ambulance and my pronouns are nee/naw
Well said
Professor Peterson articulates what many of us have been thinking but couldn’t find the right words to express ourselves. Thank you 🙏
I appreciate and truly respect Doctor Peterson, but I also believe that many of us don't have enough knowledge or proper awareness of our society to be able to confront those radical behaviors and ideas as this man does, so I think he speaks for and educates us.
Wow. That is great journalism. The moderator has two sides of the debates, asks direct questions and gets out of the way without taking a side. That’s old school. Need more of that
I identify as an ambulance and my pronouns are nee/naw
@Ilya Tereshkevich thank you for accepting ur loss like a good sport, silently.
@Ilya Tereshkevich Nah he picked a side, if you analyze the situation like someone out of middle school, you’ll see the defensive nature of the commentator and his desperate attempts to APPEAR fair and impartial. Oh, and when Peterson called them out? OOP, we outta time!!! How convenient
@Jayy Brezzo it isn’t though. I actually think he seemed to side with the transgender prof, but did have Peterson more of the floor
no I actually think he seemed to side with the transgender prof, but did have Peterson more of the floor
Protect Jordan Peterson at all cost. We need more people like him.
I have the utmost respect for this guy because he’s not afraid to publicly say what most of us are thinking.
I identify as an ambulance and my pronouns are nee/naw
because he doesn't care about the cancel culture, and he has things to back him up...i.e., his academic and public track records...fufuffu
Neither side seems particularly sensible.
There are numerous anti-trans folk (many in this thread) who have completely misinterpreted Jordan Peterson's stance, but have decided he agrees with them and then they misrepresent what he actually stands for. This of course has lead to a bunch of other people deciding to berate Jordan Peterson for being anti-trans.
Jordan Peterson is not anti-trans (as far as I've been able to tell). He does not see being trans as a problem. The issue he is arguing against is the use of legislation to force people to... be nice? Not only is that absurd, but as he explains it's entirely unwieldy in this instance. If I refer to someone as "they" that is an entirely gender neutral term. Anyone can be referred to as "they" - whether they be a he, a she, or a zee. If someone has a problem with being referred to as "they" I'm really not sure how to respond to that.
Someone can say their pronouns are whatever they want, but if they have a problem with "they" I can't accept that (I also have an even bigger problem with the anti-trans folk who insist "they" is only plural and for some reason like to use that as an excuse to lash out at trans people).
If one of my friends asked me to refer to them as "zee/zim" I'd do it in a heartbeat, but putting this *into law* is ridiculous. Perhaps legislation to ban misgendering someone would be ok - don't refer to a he as a she or a zee as a he. But even then what if someone just... makes a mistake? Are they in legal peril because of a simple slip of the tongue? And disallowing people from simply referring to others as "they" is ridiculous.
@MicheleBella77congratulations on making a mockery of yourself
I am so proud of Dr. Jordan Pederson who is a true authentic loving human being who is my hero because it is extremely harmful to make people speak a certain way and its so horrific to enforce their words into my own thoughts and mouth. Thank you for those who stand up for our rights for what we say and how we speak. People have lost what it means to be kind. Abusive and power, and control over another is enforcing something that isn't true to be true and that is lies.
@Matthew now that was funny!
@Matthew 🤣
I identify as an ambulance and my pronouns are nee/naw
@Brian Delaney hes cried on several occasion about the suffering of man and it pains him deeply how much struggle everyone has to go through so he makes it his business to reach out as much as possible to the extent that he can.
@Brian Delaney no wonder he’s angry, hes had a frustrating time constantly debating
As a child I often thought my parents judgements were unfair. For example not being allowed out as late as my peers etc. however as an adult I thank God for my parents and there wisdom. What we're seeing now is the result of spoiled indulged children gaining adulthood
Exactly!
Sometimes, keeping the old tradisional culture and stance are the best way to keep us on the right track
same here my parents did everything from love kids are indeed very spoiled nowadays
It’s interesting to notice that Jordan never looks down at any notes while the other person is constantly looking at a script. Jordan knows his subject completely while the other person needs to work of an agenda.
Good observation. Peterson is very bright and articulate. In this case, it also helps that he has the better argument.
Because you don't need to read the truth. A very good point you make. 💯🇬🇧🇯🇲👍
I identify as an ambulance and my pronouns are nee/naw
Exactly x
what do you mean?? He literally looks down every few words??
Jordan Peterson is amazing on so many levels-insightful, able to defend his position without seeming defensive, welcomes debate, and lives within his values. Kudos to him!
Jordan Peterson is the most intelligent man I’ve ever seen from Canada everyone should take notes and listen to him because he is absolutely right
These aren’t debates. It’s one man speaking facts and another speaking feelings
@Je C you're son might be young so maybe i'll call him twilight hawk for now
@thunderbolts 24 You live in a little bubble if you have never seen a gender queer person with a high paying job like yikes where are you from dude. Go to any major city and just look around.
@Blake Laisurewell they need you as a friend or they’ll eventually want to be taken care of by the government.
It’s gotten to the point that people will be afraid to address others because they don’t know what their preferred pronouns are anymore. I’ve seen a persons preference to be called “ clownish” ( yes, they were serious)
Now, people are addressing strangers as “ hi, what’s your pronoun?”
It’s creating confusion.
How healthy is that? They are forcing you to accept their beliefs but don’t care about anyone else’s.
Me and my male friend were approached by some student conducting surveys at a museum. The purpose of the survey is to get our opinions regarding female minority artists. The first question is “What is your gender?” My friend and I were both confused. Excuse me? We were thinking does he not look like a man and do I not look like a woman? We were both still identified as the gender we were born as, and it’s impossible to be mistaken.
I know people try to be inclusive for less than 1% of population out there, but they are offending everyone else.
@FN Cinder I agree with you. If the person is polite about it, and I care about them, I will try to remember to use the terms they prefer, but ze and zer, and all the crazy talk is NOT going to happen. I am educated, and well read, and I will not sound like an illiterate fool talking nonsense…I’ll leave the word salad to Kamala, lol.
@Kat Brinson I agree completely. I don’t know where you draw the line but mine is I call you by your birth gender and birth pronouns, at least at this point in my life because my friends that use alternate pronouns are not very committed to them. I can’t be arsed with what some people try and get you to say or do.
Sorry if that sounded like a vent but I can’t talk to anyone I know irl about this without some feeling of judgement.
@iliv4bodybildng as an introvert i am totally okay with your first sentence.
@Kat Brinson I totally agree.!!
Props to Jordan for sticking to his guns and making well thought points as usual. But also props to the interviewer for ensuring both speakers had the chance to speak and challenging both speakers on their points evenly. Jordan won this debate fair and square
God watching this is Soo hard. The difference in being intelligent and structured in a truthful manner to the best of one's ability. Jordan is so amazingly caring that he will speak the truth if he believes it's in society's best interests even if it means him constantly being attacked. Jordan you are an amazing human being.
Thank God exist people like Mr Peterson to fight for what is right!!
I have huge respect for him!!
He is an amazing man, clearly amazing teacher and this world needs more people like him!!!👏👏👏👏
I started laughing when Peet said just to program your phone for the individual to remember what pronoun to use and it's really super easy. How did we get here?
It's sad we live in an age where speaking common sense is nonsensical
When the world has been turned upside down, it's no surprise. Lunacy is considered sanity and vice versa...God help those standing for truth.
20 years ago when I told people this was going to happen, they called me crazy
@RedBurns That is why, when we meet somone and greet them, saying " hello I AM ? WHAT DO I CALL YOU. SIR MAAM, PROFFESOR?" To which they repyl zar or zim ... ENTER the parallel Universe where you know your patience is going to be sorely tested.
it seems that biology is prevailing more than we thought it was tho.
Just proves we're ready for another comet and go the way of Atlantis.
I will NEVER change my pronoun use! You go Jordan!❤
💯🇬🇧🇯🇲👍
Loved how Peterson and the truth destroyed lies and unhinged people without a sweat
This guy is a friggin hero. Every interview of his that I watch always ends with him using logic in a well articulated manner, and his opposition arguing that his logic is unsound because of how it makes them feel. They shoot themselves in the foot every time. If only they’d aim a bit higher….
Good on Jordan Peterson,.. We need more people like him in the world
8:28 Is it so difficult to remember someone's pronoun?
Well, according to you, yes, because you keep forgetting them and need to store them in your phone.
ha ha - that's a good one. btw - the translgbtq etc. group websites remind us that people are free to change their pronouns whenever they wish, so that makes it even more difficult to remember or know them.
Thank you for standing up for free speech Dr. Peterson
Ok James
@Burn Neblograv you still haven't fixed the spelling
Free speech! You mean the opposite don't you. I mean he's doing the exact opposite isn't he/it/they.
If people want to be called something and you block it isn't that opposing free speech
hmm
@Patrick s
He’s my favourite person right now. So glad he’s speaking on this! This pronoun stuff has gone crazy. You’re either a girl or a boy. You can call yourself whatever you like but don’t expect others to. They may choose to but it’s not an obligation.
JORDAN PETERSON is one in a million. Thank you JP for being the voice of the voiceless. THE world needs great men like JP.
I respectfully disagree. JP is more like JC. One in a century or 2 or one in a few billion
More like one in a billion, i think
Well done Jordan Peterson. This world is lost, and it is heading towards the abyss so quickly because of these people.
Imagine having to write down someone's name and their pronouns on a list on your phone or whatever you decide to write it on and have to be like "oh wait" and just take a quick look to avoid offending someone, unbelievable...and BEING CALLED LAZY FOR NOT DOING IT.
because it is laziness, why would you proceed to offend someone just because you find it wrong to provide them with, in their opinion, “common courtesy.” be respectful to people or don’t refer to them 🤷
The professor Pete literally didn’t bring any proof, Jordan Peterson literally brought proof and logic for every thing he said. Also kudos to the moderator - such a neutral way to get both sides of the topic out!
I cant believe this is an actual debate. What a world we live in
A year on from your comment and it’s got even more unbelievable
@Uncle Gardener LOL
@Uncle Gardener Maybe that person is a chameleon
How can one person have so much knowledge in their head. JP is Living Legend
JP is the living example of "Do what you say", As he always says to listen to what people has to say, you might know something new.
That right there JP is focused on listening what opposite person has to say rather than intervening in the middle of conversation like the right person. That's why JP answers are always on point without any hesitation.
What is interesting is that he is constantly attacked but he doesn't ever attack the other professor. That peacefully way of talking comes from the knowledge that he knows he is right.
💯%.
The hard part for me is, I too admit and this admittance by myself has no bearing on my opinion about pronouns or the LGBTQ community. I personally forget my own family members phone numbers and names sometimes 🤣. I mean if I don't remember the pronoun you want to be addressed by, I now am in jeopardy of someone saying that I am discriminating against them? That's absurd. I mean if your name is David and I call you Charlie, that's not descrimination it's an honest mistake. I do see this creating a lot of headaches for millions of Americans, regardless of your political or whatever views. Hell I know a ton of folks from the baby boomer era, that can't figure out how to text on a phone. So how do you think they're going to remember the pronouns to address folks by. Saying I know I won't remember the pronouns for every individual doesn't mean I'm lazy and I'm not saying I wouldn't necessarily try I'm just saying there are bigger fish to fry than this matter. I'm sorry.
Kudos to the moderator for actually being reasonable and balanced in this discussion.
I love how the professor isn’t arguing. He’s well posed and confident in the truth. Not offensive at all. Simple truths.
Yeah - Peterson's opponent starts name calling to hope to win. Calls Peterson unkind and lazy ---hilarious. How kind and tolerant is that ??
@Irina Dz 'cept one of the professionals is real.
@Andrew Nolt You mean she.
@will jeff - is he well "posed," ? I admit he does have nice posture. Or, did you mean to say "Poised," and thus basically admitting you don't know how to proof read and or just don't know how to use words. This is why no matter how correct or not Peterson might be, he will never be taken seriously because he is propped up by supporters that don't know how to use a dictionary.
Will Jeff I know, right? That professor Peet is amazing!
He is legendary..probably one of the few who are brave enough to speak their mind.
this mans argumentation and easiness of transforming thoughts into words is absolutely god level.
How can JP even stay so calm with so much ridiculous people around him and even more...how can he discuss with them and SERIOUSLY thinking he can change them for good. The admiration i have for this guy grows to insane levels already.
One is being logical and the other being emotionally persuasive
What they fail to understand is that it's appalling at a fundamental level when things like that are legislated. It sets a very dangerous precedent for things to follow.
I've noticed those who say "be kind" are often quite vindictive in reality.
Absolutely correct, they're usually totally hypocritical.
@d ratio
this right here
We need more people like Jordan Peterson.
Jordan Peterson doing his thing. Destroying the counter argument with class.
I hope more professors like you Prof. Peterson! God bless you.
The more I see Jordan Peterson's debate on various topics, the more I admire him👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality
This is NOT "left vs right"
This is lunacy vs sanity
@Hadeto Yep, that's what it did to me. Used to be liberal but now I'm libertarian.
@Kamal LB Socially, maybe. Protecting the LGBT isn't on either "far". Protecting innocents from being bullied or killed is a moderate stance. Bullying and killing innocents in the name of "science" and "free speech", now that is some extreme levels of lunacy.
"There's a reason we have two ears and one mouth"
*Proceeds to interrupt JP at every moment*
I like the fact the Prof. Peterson remains calm throughout the interview
Unbelievable that we now live a world where one's liberty to feel and think and believe is now a terrible crime..
it isn't, but so the other does too and that's not accepted!
“I believe that the truth is often better than being kind” - Dr Peterson
Dr JP is well informed and logical. He's got perfect articulation too. We can't lose this man y'all.
As a Latin American, it was curious to see what Canadians define as a "heated" debate
We're a little too nice lmao
ja, ja, ja
I could listen to JP all day long.
What needs to be reminded here is that we cannot simply tell people what to say and think especially if they are the ones who want freedom of speech also
The amount of patience prof Peterson has is humongous....
The argument of "we have 2 ears and one mouth for very good reason" got me 😂
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Can somebody just appreciate how calm does peterson stay when hes constatly being over talked by that other proffesor huge W for peterson.
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Ok but I laughed out loud when they showed the damn chart for pronouns 😭😂
Amen...as if society has not enough problems..now we have to study what pronoun to use...I won't be surprised if one day chimpanzees will rule over us..,😂
I’m still laughing 😂😂
@Antonio A. Jepkoko because the Holy Bible states, they oppose themselves. Read the new testament of the King James Bible to understand the spirit behind this. It's not a joke.
@sonicblast123 wow killer insult, not childish at all to only be able to resort to an insult because someone's not like you are and doesnt mock people for having different views, not to mention views that support ppl rather than bully them
@Cory Morrow You're a child.
Thanks to Jordan Peterson there is still some common sense in this world!
She’s saying that if people didnt agree with them, meaning we’re lazy? 💀
Moderator actually did a pretty decent job
Bro open up ur eyes nd get up off ur knees
The professor is wrong about names too. I met a young gent today called Benjamin. He said he preferred to be called Benj but most people disregard that and shorten him to the standard Benji. He just laughed it off and said I could call him Benji too. Nicknames are actually a sign of endearment. When people lovingly give you a nickname it means they've accepted you.
I love the way that JP always remains calm, never interrupts and never resorts to making personal attacks or insults
@PJ Coholan Whoa! PJ loves his decorum,, don't he?
how dare you refer to him as JP, he is Jordan Peterson as assigned at birth and no other way of referring to him is allowed.
@Rawdo but he wasn't, (you would know if you actually read books) even jordan admitted what he said was wrong.
@Le Morte d'Brian yeah he was, so?
Jordan is the man both figuratively and in reality
The weird thing about pronouns is that I would never have any reason to use a pronoun when speaking directly to anyone. I would only use a pronoun when speaking ABOUT a person to someone else. The person would have no idea which pronouns I was using if they weren't there. It's total narcissism.
Damn if these people can get into college I have some hope 😂
Jordan Peterson is the bomb! A good listener, answers questions precisely and on par, does not stray from the subject matter of the conversation, he's well educated, is not afraid of the hard topics, has many examples to back up his comments and is very fluent and has a very broad and diverse vocabulary that is much bigger than most people. He's also very handsome to! Love Jordon Peterson.
He speaks the absolute truth.
“In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive”.
@D S if you got offended, that's right, by being offended it triggers your capableness to think about your rebuttal. therefore in order to be able to think probably and more often literally you have to risk being offensive because truth has no sugar coating.
@D S
Did you just say that I'm only capable of thought if i'm not offending you?
@D S my sides hurt from reading this
Literally who said that 😭😭 I’m sorry but if you’re afraid you’ll offend someone every time you speak then maybe you should just not talk
Imagine someone hijacking they/them as their first and second person pronouns; you're in a group setting with that person and you need to use those third person pronouns correctly to communicate with other people in the room.
You don't get your own pronouns.
Let us all use this to remember the opportunity we have to spread the truth and make more voices heard.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Peet...you're funny. I, for one, could NEVER use ANY of those "alternative pronouns" without laughing.
I'm just glad that in my language (Tagalog), we use the same pronouns for both male and female. This is all so confusing. And I agree-- why the need to legislate?
The world hasn't gone mad..just a small minority of people trying to force their way of life down everyone's throats. I thought the world had pretty much reached the point where everyone is happy to let each live the way they choose.By assuming their opinions and agenda are more important than anyone else's ,they are only damaging and diminishing their intended cause.Surely they must know that each individual is entitled to their own opinion.You can't force your opinion on others..Thats how wars start.
George Orwell once wrote or said, "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more they will hate those that speak it,"
@etienne When is truth ever irrelevant???
Excellent from Mr Orwell
This is what Jesus said too 😀
@Game Changer New Shitland* 🤣🤣
@Game Changer Guy? Gal? Xie? Zim? Not sure what that Thing is.
JP is a legend.
I feel so hurt to hear this. He's just saying what he stands for, what seems more than just logical and he protects or helps so many. And then smn says he doesn't have a conscience? That he should bring peace and justice? What do you think he's doing??
He must be very strong minded, glad he knows what he's doing. Thank you, JP
This guy came with a whole script and still got out debated
Cannot wait to see Jordan Peterson speak in person ❤
Much respect to Jordan Peterson for standing his ground in the face of that (and current) insanity. He is doing it to this day.
The problem is you cannot have a logical discussion with illogical people or illogical concepts.
I agree, Peet says @ 1:29 be kind and understanding. Basically, be reasonable, do it my way, so I can take your freedom of speech away from you.
@Meira Mebrahtu no not really cupcake
It's frustrating
@Photosynthesis Bisector yet y'all are the one's that "get hurt and go waaaah" when someone uses non conforming pronouns.
There's stopping people from all from doing something that is offensive compared to forcing people to take on some to take on something that people can find king find offensive One thing to get rid of bad stuff a different thing to implement and force people to do something can't make people do stuff but you can't stop people from doing it
Jordan Peterson, one of a kind ❤
Very good moderator of the debate. Not very common on media to see that. Great job!
A.W. Peet is reading from something as she speaks, while Peterson is speaking from his mind.
We need more Jordan Peterson in our world 🌍
I don’t see why Jordan’s critics can’t get his simple message. Legislating speech is a really bad idea. Everyone should fight that.
@pulpficti im pretty sure he didn't 🤣🤷♂️🤦♂️
Why does he think his speech is being confined by legislation? It’s not.
Because he’s not telling them what they want to hear
The calmest person and most articulate speaker on earth
Thank you Mr. Peterson! I cannot speak as you do, but I am so grateful to you! A voice of sanity.
I like how Peterson stays calm. The other person can't help but to become a bit personal in an effort to discredit him
Protect Jordan Peterson at all costs
I love Jordan Peterson he understands that the truth is more important than feelings 💯🤷🏼♀️🙌
Years later, There's a reason we all know who Jordan Peterson is, and have no clue who that other person is.
@matmaism KIWI actually!
Or what lol
Exactly LOL
Ikr and the triggered little man tries to belittle JP as a "storm in a teacup".
Jordan is the man... he knows exactly what's up and they don't like him because he is well educated and critiques and says things that need to be said. There is a reason he has so much support. We are not all one mind and we need to start surrendering to that fact instead of attempting to force others to think, do and be exactly as we want them to be!
The amazing thing is that if Jordan Peterson was walking around 10 years ago saying the things he is saying in this debate, people's response would have been, "No duh."
The world has gone insane.
Jordan Peterson. DO NOT GIVE IN‼️ YOUR VOICE is the voice of 80% of the people within the United States AND Canada‼️ Stay strong‼️ We are right behind you and catching up Fast‼️ Others, like myself; have reached their limit waiting for society to correcting itself🤷♂️‼️ We are now speaking out too👍‼️
Hold our Ground Jordan ❤