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The Downfall of the Ivy League | Victor Davis Hanson | EP 325

  • Жарияланды 2023 ж. 25 Нау.

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  • Allison Cabral
    Allison Cabral 2 ай бұрын +120

    JP and VDH are two of the most brilliant minds in public discourse today. Fascinating and deep. They bring understanding to the chaos of our dark world. Truly dedicated and gifted men. Grateful Thanks for your efforts and meeting! Please meet again in the future! God Bless you both!

  • Randy Bullard
    Randy Bullard Ай бұрын +81

    Amazing conversation. ~15y ago I started telling all three of my kids that I would pay for their undergrad educations at any public institution they could get into, no strings, and then I would pay for a graduate degree but only from one institution - Harvard. I'm in the financial services industry, and I've seen over and over what a Harvard degree means, and the doors it opens.
    About 2 years ago my sentiment began to change, and now I've done a full 180. A Harvard degree has lost all of its luster and power. Now when I see "graduated from Harvard", I have to look and see "when". Because if it was after about 2018... it's a vacuous piece of paper. What a loss, for all of us.

    • Mark Lindstrom
      Mark Lindstrom 3 күн бұрын


    • DenaliOsnaya
      DenaliOsnaya 14 күн бұрын +2

      I think what Randy is saying is that he can afford to have his kids go to Harvard, however after 2018 those prestigious universities have become a shell of what they once were. Never mind the fact that they actively violate affirmative action laws, meaning they often look more into a students “story“, gender, and race rather than merit. They have also started lowering their education standards, in some classes they are outright indoctrinating students with leftist ideology instead of teaching them how to think critically. In this day in age, the more prestigious the school the more indoctrinated the students.
      I personally don’t believe I’m conservative, I believe myself a moderate or traditional liberal. I like taking sides on an issue by issue basis. But whenever I speak to my friends who come from the more prestigious universities, they often end up berating me because I just happen to have different ideas from theirs. It’s really put a strain on our relationship, and I’m not the only one this has happened to. Looking at the news coming from these universities I understand why this happens, I mean look no further than Stanfords new accepted phrases chart. When applying to colleges I thought I wanted to go to a prestigious university, but since I couldn’t afford it I had to drop my acceptance. I am glad that happened. I would have been just like my friends if I had gone.
      So yes, be careful where you send your children to school. Will this school actually teach them valuable life long skills? Or will they just pass them through indoctrination techniques and teachings?

    • Startups & Startups
      Startups & Startups 15 күн бұрын

      What happened to Harvard after 2018??
      How about: MIT, Caltech, and Stanford??

    • Tim
      Tim 21 күн бұрын +1

      👍You need to screen for brains and humility by throwing simple math questions at them!

  • Sabrina
    Sabrina Ай бұрын +46

    When I was 19 I tried to join the military and I completely bombed the asvab test. I was a high school drop out with a GED at the time. There were questions on the test about chemistry and US history that I had no idea how to answer because I had never been exposed to those subjects before. I had a lady try to force a military career on me that I did not want. She told me that I was too stupid for the career I did want, and that she knew I was too stupid because of my test scores. That stayed with me for years until I went to college around 10 years later. I finished my college degree with a 3.79 grade point average. As I aced my classes one by one I finally believed for the first time in my life that I was not stupid. I don’t know if I can put much stock in the scores of these standardized tests. I don’t believe they accurately reflect a persons intelligence or potential. They may reflect things like current knowledge but it doesn’t mean that they lack potential if given a proper chance.

    • Jack Willmore
      Jack Willmore Күн бұрын +1

      Those tests are either testing you for cognitive reasoning (problem solving) or aptitude (how much you've already learned and remember). If they were asking you history questions or questions involving chemistry then they wanted to find out how much you learned before you became a high school drop out. The real IQ test is one involving cognitive reasoning, (problem solving) and those tests of course are extremely accurate and have the highest correlative in predicting how well someone will do in an intellectually demanding situation. Nothing has a perfect correlative but IQ and performance are highly predictive. If you were smart I probably wouldn't have to have explained this to you.

    • Sislertx
      Sislertx 6 күн бұрын +2

      I applied to a part time job with the govt 60 years ago and had to take the secretary test...all u needed was a first grade understanding of math...just simple.adding and subtracting...and the language was simply the alphabet...there was over 1000 people there...and 100 percent of the people i talked to said it.was a HARD.TEST!!!! NEEDLESS TO SAY I WAS THE ONLY ONE WITH LIGHT SHADE SKIN...IM HIGH YELLOW...THE ODD PERSON IN THE FAMILY....I WAS LITERALLY SICK AT THE HOW LOW THE STANDARD WAS BUT REALLY SICK THAT THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW THEIR ABC's.. !!!!!!!

    • Robert Porter
      Robert Porter 6 күн бұрын +2

      In your view then, what is the alternative to standardized tests? No tests or the trash now existing in the name of equity, inclusion and diversity? Whatever their shortcomings there is merit to SAT because they separate the wheat from the chaff, or the dumbells from those with ability. I too had to make up for neglecting my schooling by going to night school in order to qualify for university, but it did not blind me to the value of SAT.

    • Richard Benitez
      Richard Benitez 13 күн бұрын +3

      Sabrina: I did better in college just because in high school there are all these social issues one worries about. And, the parents are also ignorant of what one does in high school. No mom. I was not cut out to be a welder or carpenter. I liked academics.

    • Nancy In the garden
      Nancy In the garden 19 күн бұрын +5

      That’s so true and I’m so proud of you that you didn’t let anyone brainwash you forever about your potential. By the way, so many young folks aren’t ready to do their best bc someone else wants it from them, namely their teachers and parents. My son hasn’t stopped learning everything he can once he got his diploma. He’s a lot like me. Don’t force me or I won’t but tell me I can’t and I willl

  • Scott Gray
    Scott Gray Ай бұрын +204

    As expensive as concerts have become, whatever the cost of Admission to listen to these two talk live for 3 hours would be priceless. We could use a few 1000 more Dr. Hanson's in this world. The first time I ever saw him do a short interview I was a fan.

    • Mike R
      Mike R 6 күн бұрын

      I was going to say exactly what you put forth so well - there is not a price I wouldn’t pay to be in the same room with these men or men of their ilk

    • howdy hoo
      howdy hoo Ай бұрын

      They also perform a juggling act and spin plates.

    • Denton Fender
      Denton Fender Ай бұрын

      Even better priceless discussions in concerts are already on You Tube. Discussions, and debates with one of the greatest intellects of our time, Christopher Hitchens. Christopher Hitchens if he were still alive would have easily mopped the floor with both Jordon Peterson, and Hanson. Although, since there is little on You Tube between Hitchens, and Hanson, you could conclude that they were in agreement with each other on various issues rather than contrarian, for example WW2.

  • Egor TheOne
    Egor TheOne Ай бұрын +98

    Two intellectual giants of our time.
    This is a genuine privilege to listen to such advanced thinkers.
    Thank you JP and VDH.

    • Michael McNulty
      Michael McNulty 19 сағат бұрын

      Psychobabble Peterson v. Groom of the Guggenheim Stool, Victor Davis Hanson. Priceless.

    • Kieran B
      Kieran B 13 күн бұрын

      @Sam fisher i'd like to read how you think he doesn't have a grasp on this age.

    • Marvin Bone
      Marvin Bone 20 күн бұрын

      Now, i want to read this (new( book of Victor's !

    • Sam fisher
      Sam fisher Ай бұрын +4

      Jordan Peterson is NOT a giant of ANY kind. He's a pseudotradcon who's stuck in The era of his youth and has absolutely no real grasp of how the crap that he talks about actually works in the modern age. Don't get me wrong he does have some good points on some pretty interesting topics but overall everything he says is just basically scripted and utterly useless.

  • Onish Omar
    Onish Omar 22 күн бұрын +31

    As an Ivy League student this is so true.
    Half the people in class have no interest in learning, and many cannot put together a coherent paragraph. They sit on their laptops and scroll through social media.

    • BRM H16
      BRM H16 4 сағат бұрын

      @Startups & Startups Apply and find out. You seem to be just the type of person
      they are looking for.

    • Gary Jones
      Gary Jones 3 күн бұрын

      @Startups & Startups You make no sense !

    • Kurenai Tenka
      Kurenai Tenka 13 күн бұрын +2

      @Startups & Startups 'How they get in?' Surely the video explained that?

  • Ee-ooh!
    Ee-ooh! 2 ай бұрын +204

    This is truly remarkable. Makes me want to jump into history, poetry, psychology, literature. Thank you Dr. Peterson.

    • lettersfromaboy
      lettersfromaboy 24 күн бұрын +1

      You can't forget about art and music.

    • DL Haye
      DL Haye Ай бұрын

      That's what College used to stress and we were alot more well rounded in our Education. Not anymore.

    • 28TJ28
      28TJ28 Ай бұрын

      We agree

    • philo betto
      philo betto 2 ай бұрын +1

      Asset emancipation Executive order 14067 section 4

  • John Burton
    John Burton Ай бұрын +16

    As a retired psychologist who also served as a second-class, adjunct professor at 2 institutios across my 40-years, I recognized the veracity of the observations and opinions of Drs. Peterson and Hansen on the devolution of higher-education in America. I share their unspoken sadness and alarm! I am grateful for the rigorous doctoral education I received at Purdue University. I wonder if standards and rigor still exist in some institutions in America?

  • pp man
    pp man Ай бұрын +20

    I recently went back to university in my late 30's, working on a degree in technical theatre. I'm already established in the industry, but I wanted to get my B.A. I was shocked that critical race theory was deeply embedded in the curriculum of nearly every class I took, aside from mathematics. I don't know how any white male can sit through this without going mad.

    • pp man
      pp man 2 күн бұрын

      @Sultan Of Swing Indiana University. Don't be fooled by all the corn and tractors, IU is as woke as they come.

    • Sultan Of Swing
      Sultan Of Swing 2 күн бұрын

      Name the university please. So that the rest of us not to hire anyone from there.

  • Jj
    Jj Ай бұрын +80

    VDH might be my favorite American right now. Awesome to see him introduced to more and more people. He's not an American treasure, he's a Western treasure.

    • Zeng Zhu
      Zeng Zhu Ай бұрын +3

      I like him, but I like sowell even more. Had you read Sowell's books? Highly recommended.

  • DWB
    DWB Ай бұрын +59

    VDH has been one of my favourite US historians and speakers for many years. So Jordon and Victor together .... it doesn't get any better ! My family immigrated to the US from Europe in the 1920's so I have some very deep roots and bonds to our southern neighbour. (I'm Canadian) and I always greatly appreciate VDH's wisdom and take on historical, political and our current landscape. I could listen to these two brilliant people for hours.

    • Phil Franklin
      Phil Franklin 11 күн бұрын +1

      My family came to the Americas in the 1630s and they helped build this Republic. The current system sickens me

  • The iggles
    The iggles Ай бұрын +37

    If they would have included Doctor Sowell it would have been absolutely perfect! These gentlemen are two of my favorites!

    • Lisa Reiter
      Lisa Reiter 19 күн бұрын

      I owe Thomas Sowell a debt of gratitude. After graduating from college in the late 80s, my worldview was off and my knowledge was weak. Thomas Sowell's books and Rush Limbaugh radio helped round out my education and turn me conservative.

    • C Victor
      C Victor Ай бұрын +1

      I was thinking exactly this!!!!

    • Warrior rage
      Warrior rage Ай бұрын +2

      I was thinking the same thing!

    • trilliumlane
      trilliumlane Ай бұрын +1

      Yes, true! These two and Thomas Sowell are gifted communicators, always presenting the concepts and the details or particulars so to help anyone make sense of the world.

  • David Karr
    David Karr 2 ай бұрын +206

    I could listen to these two for hours. They make me feel smarter just absorbing some of their wisdom and experiences.

    • CSD
      CSD Ай бұрын

      Damn. Then you must be one horrible piece of wreck up there.
      Jeeze man!

    • philo betto
      philo betto 2 ай бұрын

      Asset emancipation Executive order 14067 section 4

  • Ryan Williams
    Ryan Williams Ай бұрын +10

    This is absolutely one of JBP’s best interviews. You can sense the respect he has for VDH and see how excited he gets covering issues with higher education with someone who genuinely understands his criticism. This podcast literally made my day. Respect!

  • jester
    jester 29 күн бұрын +7

    Great collaboration! Probably two of the most clear thinking and forthright individuals of the western world.

  • Mike McPherson
    Mike McPherson Ай бұрын +30

    Deepest admiration for two of North America's greatest thinkers. Answering the call for analytical and critical thought, these men posses the remnants of our exceptional countries that hopefully will bring on a new meritocracy leading us from the darkness of equity and wokeness.

    • R Morris
      R Morris 16 күн бұрын

      Well said!!

    • Village CoOp
      Village CoOp Ай бұрын

      Why is making things equal a negative thing?

  • Mary Mercedes
    Mary Mercedes Ай бұрын +32

    *Two giant voices of restorative sanity in our twisted looney-tunes world.* THANK YOU! This was refreshing. Like a mental reboot.

    • Kamala
      Kamala Ай бұрын +1

      Looney Troons 😂

  • Sam Scott
    Sam Scott 21 күн бұрын +5

    I can see why I relate so much to mr Davis’ points, as I had several professors like him in college. I was blessed to go to the Air Force Academy, where the focus is almost completely centrist (maybe even a bit right of center. I was an econ major and my profs in that were very conservative, at least economically.) They dont try to brainwash you there (as far as education and politics are concerned) and since there is no tuition ie profit for the academy to target, they focus on producing educated, responsible citizens/airmen. I see that Davis himself taught at the naval academy, and im sure they were fortunate to have him.

  • D W
    D W Ай бұрын +223

    This is one of the most important discussions I have ever been exposed to... thank you Jordan and Victor!!!

    • Exe Bit
      Exe Bit Ай бұрын

      @Sue Sue Mr Sowell is a lion amongst men.

    • Mark H
      Mark H Ай бұрын

      ​@Ben Vis they are speaking on behalf of the openly discriminated groups .

    • Warren Nicholson Y. Fernando
      Warren Nicholson Y. Fernando Ай бұрын

      Yeah. This is the best discussion so far.

  • Oregon32Nurse Nurse
    Oregon32Nurse Nurse Ай бұрын +11

    Two of the most common sensical, fascinating educators in society today. 👍🏽

  • M Bog
    M Bog Ай бұрын +9

    Brilliant men who aren’t afraid to speak truth. We need more men like these gentleman.

  • Wade Rich
    Wade Rich Ай бұрын +107

    This is the exact message American needs right now and what we need to focus change on. As a current PhD student I’ve seen how deep the rot goes. There’s no way I’ll send my future children to institutions like the current ones. Looking forward to the development and growth of Peterson academy!

    • InformedSR Thankful
      InformedSR Thankful 5 күн бұрын

      I would ask recommendations of organizations who are fighting to maintain the values Americans truly care about. Ask them for any recommendations of Collegiate Institutions.

    • Lisa Reiter
      Lisa Reiter 19 күн бұрын

      Write them letters. Or send them links to discussions like this one. Maybe frame it around cultural revolution. Then they can rebel in a good way by fighting the system.

    • R
      R Ай бұрын +3

      @Heather if i may give you an advice. This pains me to say because i am a visual artist and in the humanities. Ive been in university for a few years here in north america after having studied in europe. Id advise you send her to non humanistic schools, possibly as scientific or technical as possible. The humanities are deeply rotted she wont learn anything. I can swear i can summarize each class i have taken so far in 4 years as some version of the same half an hour word salad about diversity and power fight and the mean white man and how everything can be read through the lense of power fights between groups etc or some other cynical bidimensional simplification of reality. Thats all they teach. No matter where you go.

    • Heather
      Heather Ай бұрын

      @Justin Foard thank you. I will definitely look into this school

  • Missionary Terry McFarland
    Missionary Terry McFarland 17 күн бұрын +1

    I have been saying for over two years, how awesome it would be to see JP & VDH have a conversation. Both of these marvelous gentleman consume much of my personal time with their books, online conversations & lectures.

  • Brent Poynter
    Brent Poynter Ай бұрын +5

    This is the single most important conversation I’ve listened to of the century.
    I only wish I could be at the table so I could just stay silent and listen in person.
    God bless you VDH and JP.

  • RealWorld Endo
    RealWorld Endo 2 ай бұрын +61

    Now… this is the combination that was on my wishlist forever! JBP and VDH together in one conversation!!! What a treat!

  • NeonCat9
    NeonCat9 26 күн бұрын +5

    Victor Davis Hanson ... He is so very relevant in today's world, and I am always glad to hear him on KZclip.

  • Warren Nicholson Y. Fernando
    Warren Nicholson Y. Fernando Ай бұрын +4

    I've been waiting a long time for this discussion. To see these two intellectual icons meet and discuss important issues is dream come true.

  • Boone K
    Boone K Ай бұрын +16

    I could listen to you two gentlemen talk for another 12 hours. Fabulous and insightful conversation. Thank you!

    • CSD
      CSD Ай бұрын +1

      Yeah a couple of old salty salt mines just gushing out with fresh pure tasty water.

  • Chuck Jines
    Chuck Jines 27 күн бұрын +6

    What an honor and a privilege to be alive in an age where I can be at my off-grid cabin in the middle of the New Mexico desert while listening to such insightful and high-level dialogue.

    PEA EYE 4 күн бұрын

    I cannot imagine a duo of higher intellect and that is as entirely genuine as these two. Listening to them talk to each other, it becomes clear very quickly that they think at a higher level than most of us but their lack of arrogance leaves you feeling better about yourself just for having heard their conversation.

  • Kelly Brown
    Kelly Brown 2 ай бұрын +43

    EEEKKK...my dream team! About to watch and am crazy-excited! Thank you Dr. Peterson for having this amazing man on your podcast! I am such a fan of you both, and Dr. Hanson is my favorite historian. I have taken a couple of his classes online @ Hillsdale, and highly recommend them to anyone reading this.

  • Juan Urdaneta
    Juan Urdaneta Ай бұрын +3

    I don't know if you get to read this, but I can tell, that i have been watching your interviews for the past 3 or 4 years ansd that you have changed my life. Thanks Jordan, you are making the difference for many people, not only in the US and Canada but all around the world. you are truly an Influencer.

  • Rita Kenny
    Rita Kenny Ай бұрын +4

    Jordan is a truly amazing man . He is intelligent and absolutely enlightens and informs on many levels . God bless him
    and protect him from envious rivals attempting to belittle the important messages he has for anyone interested in understanding the truth!

  • Anna Corsi
    Anna Corsi 20 күн бұрын +2

    As always such a privilege to be able to listen to you both! Great tie Jordan :)

  • Jadzia Cypress
    Jadzia Cypress Ай бұрын +3

    Thank you for your comments on the teacher education and the education system! As an administrator at a middle school in Canada I am frustrated with the current state of teacher candidates. When I have L.O.P's who are better teachers than those graduated from University with a teaching degree, we have a huge problem.

  • Taylor Adelleio
    Taylor Adelleio Ай бұрын +14

    discourse at this level is like music, like a concert of intellect and they are both shredding it. Such a joy to listen to and challenging at every turn....Thank you JBP....VDH..."standing on the shoulders of giants."

  • Offside Serj
    Offside Serj 2 ай бұрын +236

    Thank you Dr Peterson. You have shed a light into this dark world we live in

    • onthe nosery
      onthe nosery 2 ай бұрын +1

      Triumph 24

    • Amarissimus
      Amarissimus 2 ай бұрын +1

      It's only dark to those who willfully reject the wavelengths cast by the enlightenment. Their own contribution turns out to be completely invisible to the rational minded.

    • Terrie Johnson
      Terrie Johnson 2 ай бұрын +6

      They are great to listen to but Jesus is the light of the world. These two are blessing to Us from Him

  • Mr. Ras Lyon
    Mr. Ras Lyon Ай бұрын +3

    My two favorite intellectuals finally crossed over. What a fantastic discussion 😁

  • 416dl
    416dl 15 күн бұрын

    I think I've been following VDH even before I started reading JBP's books and following him on youtube at which time I yearned for an eventual meeting of these two great minds. Glad to see it now, and hope it will not be the last time as their perspective when engaged together bring a depth of understanding that is as relevant and as accessible as any in our troubling times and never more needed than now. Thanks to all who make this possible. Cheers

  • Susan Colley
    Susan Colley Ай бұрын +9

    These two brilliant minds complement each other--psychology and history; insight and a wide and precise factual knowledge. If they lectured together on a cruise ship to historic sites I would buy a ticket-ans bring my friends!!

  • SuzieX
    SuzieX Ай бұрын +5

    Excellent, thank you! I appreciate the opportunity to listen and learn. Thank you for holding & sharing this conversation. God bless you both!

  • Lynn Marie
    Lynn Marie Ай бұрын +3

    Two of our most brilliant and ethical minds together. Everybody can learn much from these two honest, forthright, humble men.

    • Airtime aerial media
      Airtime aerial media Ай бұрын +1

      These two, if properly funded, could absolutely topple and remake (far better) the university system. Look forward to their next conversation like a kid before Christmas lol

  • Nicholas Blackwell
    Nicholas Blackwell 2 ай бұрын +33

    Victor Davis Hanson has written my favorite books on history. I haven't found an author who has done a better job describing how western philosophy confers an advantage even in military conflicts. His books on Greece and World War Two are excellent.

  • Ojb 1959
    Ojb 1959 Ай бұрын +3

    These two fellows are the pinnacle of intellectualism in my humble opinion. This was refreshing and thought provoking so I’d like to thank them both for sharing this format with the world. 🥂

  • Cesar Augustus
    Cesar Augustus Ай бұрын +3

    57:05 "The faculties of education are not credible." You got THAT right❗ I changed my masters program from education to business because I found the education domain useless. My MBA is worth MUCH more than a master of education could ever hope to be.

  • Holly Robbins
    Holly Robbins Ай бұрын +11

    Wee haw! I've been waiting for these two to get together for freaking YEARS! And I'm not even in the loop anymore. Super excited to listen to this one!

  • Dragonfly Drone Services
    Dragonfly Drone Services Ай бұрын +3

    As a former adjunct professor, I want to thank you for that eloquent tirade. Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion despite the bloody tragedy of it all.

  • Michelle Ghisson
    Michelle Ghisson Ай бұрын +3

    I’m an adjunct at two universities where I live. I can substantiate the information provided by both of these gentlemen to be factually true (
    where I work.)If I didn’t love teaching and didn’t have to care for my aging father I would move to a conservative state where I have more opportunities for a tenor track position. When I was first hired, I was told that as an adjunct I would basically be fodder for any negotiations between the union and the full time faculty. It was part of my job. I have consistently received very good reviews from both students, faculty, and the administration. I have NEVER worked for anyone that doesn’t reward hard work and dedication like the current universities. It’s simply wrong. 1:07:55

  • Martia Katz
    Martia Katz 2 ай бұрын +45

    I love listening to these professors. They are so cool and their feathers rarely become ruffled even when they speak about the armageddon that our universities are performing on our culture. Jordan says when people leave these IVY LEAGUE institutions they are less sharp than when they entered. Thank you JBP for explaining so much to us laymen in simple terms after your years of careful investigation. Thank you for giving young people an alternative to the pocket picking woke promoting higher education institutions. May God bless you and keep you.

  • Jeffrey Damonte
    Jeffrey Damonte Ай бұрын +5

    Wonderful interview with rare insight into the barriers to getting a quality education in the United States. Agree meritocracy is key. Thank you to Jordan and Victor for speaking out and crafting solutions that benefit everyone. SAT is so important. Preference in admissions beyond SAT and GPA needs to be based on socio-economic status and previous educational opportunities, not race and nepotism. Maybe elite public schools like UF and GT will replace the Ivys, and maybe that would be better. Racism directed against any racial group should be illegal in education at all levels.

  • 28TJ28
    28TJ28 Ай бұрын +6

    Jp did an absolutely fantastic job explaining this to us. Thank you very much JP, You're the man!

  • Brettagher
    Brettagher Ай бұрын +8

    Lord, what an epic pair. They need to do this again. Hopefully soon.

  • Requiem Heidi Reprisal
    Requiem Heidi Reprisal Ай бұрын +7

    Man, could you imagine Thomas Sowell for President, Victor Davis Hanson as Vice President. Jordan Peterson as White House Press Secretary. It's impossible, but man that would be incredible to see them doing interviews. To see qualified men hold power. If only Americans had high standards and cared about merit.

  • K. Butler
    K. Butler Ай бұрын +3

    God bless the professors who are willing to present to their students the midterms of 2003 compared to the current midterm the students are about to take.

  • Anthony Greene
    Anthony Greene 2 ай бұрын +122

    've been praying for 3 years for an opportunity to hear these two men talk together, my two favorite public intellectuals. This really makes my day. I hope it's great.

    • Hugh MacDonald
      Hugh MacDonald Ай бұрын

      @Ronin, Bruh Try me.

    • Ronin, Bruh
      Ronin, Bruh Ай бұрын

      @Hugh MacDonald you don’t even know wtf that means. 🤪🤣

    • Hugh MacDonald
      Hugh MacDonald Ай бұрын

      @Ronin, Bruh But not too short, apparently, for the kind of idiocy that endorses concepts like the "globo homo agenda."

    • Hugh MacDonald
      Hugh MacDonald Ай бұрын

      @Ronin, Bruh You've never seen millions of anything, let alone examples of people who represent perhaps one percent of the population.

  • Imri Sagive
    Imri Sagive Ай бұрын +4

    Wow, great talk - really enjoyed it and learned a lot. Thank you 🙏

  • Rachel Fernandez
    Rachel Fernandez Ай бұрын +1973

    Most times it amazes me greatly the way I move from an average lifestyle to earning over 63k per month, utter shock is the word. I have understood a lot in the past few years to doubt that opportunities abound in the financial markets, The only thing is to know where to focus..

    • Lokipower
      Lokipower 28 күн бұрын

      @Adam Saffron Bots spam

    • Indanek Waffles
      Indanek Waffles 29 күн бұрын +1

      Lies...lies from the wolf...greatly amazed at the lies

    • Naruto Uzumaki
      Naruto Uzumaki Ай бұрын

      @Adam Saffron they have insane bots now that can flood anything they focus it on

    • Naruto Uzumaki
      Naruto Uzumaki Ай бұрын +2

      63k? I remember when I was just getting started out. You are right and if you keep finding the right opportunities you will step it up to maybe even my level (135k avg. Monthly) so many people believe that it's impossible to become financially successful and that it's all about luck or being born into the right family. I went from a factory worker making barely 50k a year, to a pretty solid portfolio that I have now within 7 years time.

  • David Allison
    David Allison Ай бұрын +2

    Two intellectuals that have so much to offer civilized society. They are my favorite professors at the Utube!

  • N Rowland
    N Rowland Ай бұрын +2

    Katie, please continue with this theme. Invite the others on to tell their stories. There are a lot of folks out there that can not begin to fathom that the “Main Stream Media” is closely curated, let alone how it is done.
    Sheryl Attkisson’s book “Slanted” is an excellent resource on this topic.
    I Googled: “who is Tommy, banned from main stream media” and Google at least still has him on the top of the first page of results.

  • Tina Marie Driscoll
    Tina Marie Driscoll Ай бұрын +3

    This was an amazing discussion! Thank you!

  • noah vale
    noah vale 2 ай бұрын +56

    Two of my favorite people having a conversation. Wow. I hope they keep in touch and even collaborate on solving the problems they describe so well.

  • Thomas Bacon
    Thomas Bacon 11 күн бұрын

    It is so true that without the knowledge you were speaking of ;life can be painful. I didn't start learning until I was in my 50s and life was always like s ship without a rudder and the rocks I bumped into were hard felt. After I started learning, the course was a pleasure cruse.

  • Jay Edwards
    Jay Edwards Ай бұрын +3

    Victor Davis, a real treasure.

  • Travis Machado
    Travis Machado Ай бұрын +2

    Victor Davis Hanson is great. Thank you both so much. Really good interview.

  • Anne Agnew
    Anne Agnew Ай бұрын +10

    Stunning exchange of facts, analysis and ideas! I'm in awe of these two. Have been for quite a few years now.
    I wish I had been schooled/educated by minds like these when I was very young. It's taken me a long time to get to here....

  • Ditch Mitch and Mitt
    Ditch Mitch and Mitt Ай бұрын +5

    This was absolutely the best video on the internet.
    2 of my favorite men in the world.
    I enjoyed this so much.
    Thank you 😊.

  • Glen F
    Glen F Ай бұрын +203

    This was absolutely incredible! It felt as if we only scratched about 1% of the surface material that these two could enlighten us on. I truly could listen to them forever. I’m a massive fan of VDH and JP.

    • Mike Fuller
      Mike Fuller Ай бұрын

      @CSD I live in admiration of far greater minds than myself.

    • Caren Miller-Lazarz
      Caren Miller-Lazarz Ай бұрын +2

      Same here for some time. Greetings from Red State Utah, having left Blue state california 18 years ago. Thankfully!!

    • Joe Day
      Joe Day Ай бұрын +1

      Honestly, they should put out one of these per week.

  • DeplorableSecurityDevices
    DeplorableSecurityDevices Ай бұрын +2

    Very nice to hear a conversation covering Thucydides, Hobbes and Rousseau regarding our current situation. One of the best conversation I've heard outside my own head in my entire life.

  • Natasha Rostova
    Natasha Rostova Ай бұрын

    More professors like these two in American schools and I think the current appalling situation stands a great chance to be successfully salvaged.

  • Jill Lord
    Jill Lord Ай бұрын +2

    Great discussion between great minds. More please!!


    My two favorite people! This was awesome. I hope you get to do it again.

  • ChipmunkRapidsMadMan
    ChipmunkRapidsMadMan Ай бұрын

    I used to love teachers who graded on a curve where the average score of the tests, quizzes and assignments were averaged.... Mostly because my misanthropic friends and I would push the curve so high that the average score was higher than the standard gradient.
    I enjoyed it when the teacher would publicly shame us because there was nothing they could do. It got especially funny when the football coach tried to prod us to go easier on the scores.

  • jburma
    jburma 2 ай бұрын +98

    My two favorite thinkers of our time. This is the discussion I've been waiting for!

    • Romanian Hustler
      Romanian Hustler Ай бұрын

      @Thermal Reboot Jordan peterson is just a leftist from 2010. He is cringe

    • Barton Lee
      Barton Lee Ай бұрын

      @Thermal Reboot Ba-da-bing, my friend! You win the door prize.

    • Thermal Reboot
      Thermal Reboot Ай бұрын +1

      @Barton Lee In writing to me you punched above yours.

    • Barton Lee
      Barton Lee Ай бұрын

      @Thermal Reboot Never try to punch above your weight, Friend Thermal. You'all understand.

  • Shelley Hampton
    Shelley Hampton 3 күн бұрын

    This is an impressive meeting of the minds and the discussion demonstrates the sad trajectory we are on.

  • David Neel
    David Neel Ай бұрын +1

    Two brilliant, learned men steeped in wisdom and equipped with a boldness in speaking truth that is tempered with personal humility, and concern concern and compassion for their fellow man. Pretty sure I know who taught them that!

  • Shalom Freedman
    Shalom Freedman Ай бұрын +1

    A discussion at once very interesting informative and frightening. Two of the best minds working today meet and enlighten us unfortunately to a lot of bad news.

  • Not It
    Not It 7 күн бұрын

    This is really great, thank you both.

  • Felony Videos
    Felony Videos Ай бұрын +1

    My two heroes all in one place and at one time!

  • Ruth Anne Amsden
    Ruth Anne Amsden 2 ай бұрын +84

    OH MY GIDDY AUNT! The crossover we have all been longing for! I am SOOOO excited for this! Thank you for everything you do, Dr. Peterson, for being a nail fastened in a sure place, and a shelter of a great rock in a weary land. This is my first week back to university and I’m learning more from you than I am class, although I am truly truly thankful that I have nearly got my BA in English. Like you always say, I really can think and write and critically think so much better than I could have without my degree, although university has made me more and not less staunchly conservative and Christian.

    • Ruth Anne Amsden
      Ruth Anne Amsden 2 ай бұрын

      @Forest Connect thank you! I’m a writer. Working toward becoming a professional novelist.

    • Forest Connect
      Forest Connect 2 ай бұрын +1

      Ruth your words are beautifully written, they are a delightful

    • Ruth Anne Amsden
      Ruth Anne Amsden 2 ай бұрын

      @Alex K University of Maine!

    • Alex K
      Alex K 2 ай бұрын

      What college/university are you attending?

    • Govind V
      Govind V 2 ай бұрын +4

      @Ruth Anne Amsden Nice.That is good to know

  • joaquin mariano
    joaquin mariano Ай бұрын

    I love seeing these guys intelligently exchanging ideas of analyzing of current events in reality.

  • JayG
    JayG Ай бұрын

    I'm always gaining new knowledge from Dr. Peterson's videos. I'm looking forward to learning more TRUTH!

  • rainman
    rainman Ай бұрын +1

    Fantastic discussion! Thank you.

  • MrJosh Harvey
    MrJosh Harvey Ай бұрын

    Been following hansen for awhile, this guy hits the na on the hear every time he speaks, gonna order some of his books

  • Carl P.
    Carl P. Ай бұрын

    Fantastic Interview. I actually feel quite encouraged.

  • Adam Block
    Adam Block 2 ай бұрын +143

    Yes ! I have been wanting Dr. Peterson to speak with Victor Davis Hanson for years! Haven’t listened yet but I’m sure it will be enriching. Thank you, gentlemen! You’re both doing important work

    • jeremy scott
      jeremy scott Ай бұрын

      @Ross Campbell 😊😊iiîuuu😊😅😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

    • jeremy scott
      jeremy scott Ай бұрын

      😅 hui 😅😅😊😅😊😅😊😅😊😅😅😊😅😊😅😅😅😊😅😊😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😊😅😅

    • Ross Campbell
      Ross Campbell Ай бұрын

      @Raf Ed recognizing the problem isn’t the same as “complaining”. It’s the first step in fixing them.

    • Raf Ed
      Raf Ed 2 ай бұрын

      Apparently our affairs are quite bad, if even bright conservative minds can offer nothing but complaints. No winning strategy. Sad...

  • iamtheboxer
    iamtheboxer 20 күн бұрын

    I LOVE listening to Victor Davis Hanson when he is a guest speak on the radio here in Vancouver, Bc! Great intellect

  • caryn martin
    caryn martin Ай бұрын +1

    I'm so glad people are finally starting to talk about this! Why else do you think that they want to hurry up to censor all these social media platforms?!

  • Captain Steve
    Captain Steve Ай бұрын +2

    Two deep thinkers. Excellent. Thank you, Dr. P.

  • Sanctus Exitium
    Sanctus Exitium Ай бұрын +2

    Holy Mackerel, I just discovered this 5 minutes before running out the door. Two of the most relevant Philosophers alive today. How blessed are we.

  • saintcruzin
    saintcruzin Ай бұрын

    To deny the Shadow side of Humanity is unrealistic. Recognizing this emotional response and learning how to deal with it, is a part of being Realized and a necessary part of the masculine…Collective amnesia….Excellent discussion

  • DJ Knox
    DJ Knox 2 ай бұрын +161

    OMG FINALLY VDH on with JP!! I can't believe we've waited so many years for this! Their opening discussion on citizenship is spot on and should be what is discussed in civics classes from coast to coast. What stuns me the most listening to these two men is not just how insightful they are on what ails our culture today, but just how immensely dull is today's public discourse on such matters. Just one example of that is how we are drowned in Rights narratives and so starved in narratives that speak about Individual Responsibilities. Just watch the CBC in Canada or MSNBC/CNN in the US for a few hours any evening and it is awash with victimhood narratives that are - of course - of their selective ideological choosing.
    JP please bring on VDH again for a longer and more invasive discussion of our this cultural war.

    • Johnny Bumgarner
      Johnny Bumgarner Ай бұрын

      @DJ Knox I'm not sure but it needs to happen soon before it's too late

    • DJ Knox
      DJ Knox Ай бұрын +1

      @Johnny Bumgarner Agreed - but the question is how? ;-)

    • DJ Knox
      DJ Knox Ай бұрын +1

      @Jason Port Exactly. Knowing the problem is half the solution. The problem we face is that TOO MANY people don't understand the problem or even that one exists.

    • Johnny Bumgarner
      Johnny Bumgarner Ай бұрын +1

      @DJ Knox that is exactly what needs to happen

  • Twila DiMatteo
    Twila DiMatteo Ай бұрын

    So informative. More people then you think agree with you. Everything that needed to be said. Sad but true.

  • Timmy TheCat
    Timmy TheCat Ай бұрын +1

    THIS was fascinating ....... Thank you. My parents both came from Europe via Ellis Island..........THEY became naturalized citizens and hence forth considered themselves Americans. They passed the honor of being an American citizen onto their children......... They assimilated into America via speaking English, and donning "American" clothing and education and culture. The ONE thing that was KEPT as an homage to their "homelands" was the food/cooking.........THAT trickled down to our everyday meals.........This does not seem to happen today........ TODAY it seems to be the individual first and what that "individual" wants etc.....
    I do not see this as a positive path to a unified country

  • Who Knows
    Who Knows Ай бұрын +1

    I’m 32 years old and when I was in middle school and high school it was very obvious there were many teachers who did not know the subject they were teaching they simply follow the curriculum

  • John Doe
    John Doe Ай бұрын

    Dr. Peterson, love you brother! Need more people like you in the world!

  • Tone Balone
    Tone Balone Ай бұрын +1

    Very informative, love victor n peterson!! 👏 freakin can't believe the standards being lowered like this.

  • RedShorts
    RedShorts 2 ай бұрын +83

    Jordan! You're in inspiration to us young men and women out there struggling with today's madness! You've saved many lives and will continue to do so. We will continue to pass on your teachings as much as we can, as right leaning content creators! GOD BLESS YOU! THANK YOU! 🙏

    • Ruth Anne Amsden
      Ruth Anne Amsden 2 ай бұрын +1

      @Destiny Mayberry you are such a kindred spirit! My books are science fiction; I’ve gone one written and edited and the second one nearly done, and I’m working on a third and fourth. I was in a dark and discouraged place with my writing when I “met” Dr. Peterson and his words helped me see that story matters. So onward.

    • Mr. guy
      Mr. guy 2 ай бұрын +2

      where. Better than Andrew tate! We need men like this not like that!

    • Destiny Mayberry
      Destiny Mayberry 2 ай бұрын +3

      @Ruth Anne Amsden Agreed he echoes alot of my thoughts. And I learn. I use it more in my day to day life with my kids. I only write poetry. I'm actually good at starting off writing a book. I like Fantasy and Scifi. But I always fall short and stop. But I would love to read something where he's not vilified.

    • RedShorts
      RedShorts 2 ай бұрын +3

      @Ruth Anne Amsden So happy to hear that! ☺

  • Carl Jensen
    Carl Jensen Ай бұрын

    I am very excited about the consortium to define the future in a different way than the secretive elite control systems like WEF. I hope to hear more about this in the future.

  • Brian Wilke
    Brian Wilke Ай бұрын

    Two superstars....able to get over 1 million viewers to watch them just talk for and hour and 45 minutes. I watched it all and enjoyed and digested it all. Thanks, Dr Peterson for having VDH on. It would be so good if you, like John Anderson, have regular, in depth conversations with VDH, so we can kind of stay focused.

  • Jason Charles
    Jason Charles Ай бұрын

    More time gentlemen, so much more time needed for you to display the things both of you have in your minds and bring it to us fully. So great to hear you both!