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A Long-expected Review: The Rings of Power Season 1


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  • Nerd of the Rings
    Nerd of the Rings  2 ай бұрын +727

    Let's start the conversation with this: name your favorite & least favorite thing from Rings of Power S1. I'll start:
    Fav: Khazad-dûm & the characters/stories there
    Least Fav: the creation of the rings

    • LikeToBe
      LikeToBe 8 күн бұрын +1

      fav: nothing. really. there is no figure, no place i like, maybe moria..
      least fav: Everything around the elves just feels wrong: disclaimer: i dont care about elves skin color.

    • ambush bob
      ambush bob 9 күн бұрын +1

      My favorite part was not watching it.
      My least favorite part is that it exists.

    • Christine Elizabeth
      Christine Elizabeth 11 күн бұрын

      @Carlos Green I agree. I was talking about the layout of the island and look of the city. I found the people underwhelming. They reminded me of real people you would find hanging out in 2023 America instead of Tolkien's epic world building. I think the writing could have fixed a lot of this.

    • Carlos Green
      Carlos Green 12 күн бұрын +1

      @Christine Elizabeth I feel that the numenorean look just don't feel epic. The numenoreans as a race suppose to be tall like super human beings of men. Grand and majestic the pinnacle top of the race of men. When we see the men of Gondor. We should see the fallen remains of the once mighty men of numenor. Peter Jackson captured the essence of the men of Gondor perfectly. This show never made me see the numenorean in a grand and epic way. That is just one of the many problems that i had with the rings of power.

    • Christine Elizabeth
      Christine Elizabeth 12 күн бұрын

      The look of Numenor is just how I would have made it. I love the colors and style. It seems to fit Tolkien's work.
      I hated just about everything else. The show felt shallow and cheap next to Tolkien's world. Like a twinky being served next to my grandmother's home made chocolate cake.

  • BAtkinson
    BAtkinson 2 ай бұрын +932

    Celebrimbor is younger than Galadriel; a brash, confident smith, who forges a society of smiths and a massive following... this show gave us a semi-retired art instructor.

    • Jscal 22
      Jscal 22 15 күн бұрын

      Agreed. He looks like he will watch Young Skywalker’s career with great interest.

    • Akira M
      Akira M Ай бұрын

      @Warren Powers Impatient and childish? Reminds me of Feanor.

    • BAtkinson
      BAtkinson Ай бұрын +1

      @CANNABROS Let's get past Season 2 first, haha

    • Russo Glassplinter
      Russo Glassplinter Ай бұрын

      Conveniently neglecting to acknowledge that you can say so much more about a person with a book than you can with a movie or TV series.
      I think you're overstating your point, just for the sake of criticism.

    • GamingWeasel :
      GamingWeasel : Ай бұрын +1

      @CANNABROS Haha, you think the show will get 5 seasons...

  • Vandraren
    Vandraren Ай бұрын +68

    1:00:10 "we instead get Halbrand, fake human dude brought by Galadriel who stumbles his way into the forge and gives Celebrimbor, the greatest smith of the age, the hidden knowledge of aLlOyS" this is gold

    • Alarge Corgi2
      Alarge Corgi2 4 күн бұрын

      Yet the dude says NazGALS and MEEthril.

    • Vandraren
      Vandraren 7 күн бұрын +1

      @Rafael do Ó what if you explain it though? It's not like your answers help in any way.

    • Rafael do Ó
      Rafael do Ó 11 күн бұрын

      @Floxxoror You definetely didn't understand and maybe have to watch it again.

    • Floxxoror
      Floxxoror 11 күн бұрын +2

      @Rafael do Ó He tought him that alloying metals improves their properties. Which is the main reason to alloy metals. It's like telling a cook, that heating some ingredients might be a good thing. He toguht him that putting nickel into iron improves the properties. Funnily enough he portraits it, like iron was rare and nickel is easily obtained, although, at least on earth it is the other way round. Probably in middle earth aswell, as no dwarve talks about his fancy nickel axe. That he uses this to show that he knows how to workaround having little noble metals, just shows how lazy writers were. Iron is by no means a noble metal and it is not even knowledge to know this. everybody knows rust.
      So no, he did not tell the cook, that hot water exists, but he told him that you can put food in hot water.

    • Robert Strachan
      Robert Strachan 12 күн бұрын

      Like, solid gold or ... What's that word?

  • clonerzzz
    clonerzzz Ай бұрын +79

    Personally i was just really shocked by how psychopathic the hobbits were. Leaving every weak, hurt or old person behind to die? Sentencing whole families to death based on superstition of an all powerful ruler? That was straight horror.

    • Katie Dunmore
      Katie Dunmore 7 күн бұрын

      @joshua lyons they are the ancestors of all three types of halfings (but like at least a milenium before, one of which is the stoor, which is what gollum was. and whose ancestors havent done awful things if you go back far enough? some of mine owned slaves. lets just say the species evolved. and maybe the stranger and the harfoots make each other better. It seems like Gandalf, which would explain why he is so enamored of hobbits.

    • joshua lyons
      joshua lyons 15 күн бұрын +2

      Those weren't hobbits though lol...

    • NeutronStarPilot
      NeutronStarPilot 15 күн бұрын +3

      Wouldn't this also show the growth from a harsh nomadic people like when Tolkien described the hobbits "wandering days"
      We would presumably see the transition to compassionate people who love and care for the land.
      Possible connection to the Ent wives?
      As the Ent wives are supposed to have passed the knowledge of agriculture to the hobbits before they disappeared.
      Don't know if the show will do that, But that could be something.

    • L P
      L P 15 күн бұрын +6

      I don't know - it made sense to me. Nomadic groups would face these kind of challenges, and the show sets out quite early that they are preyed upon by many predatory species.

    • E
      E 29 күн бұрын +11

      Especially since the books portray Hobbits as the kindest, most gentle, jovial, though crafty race. There are like 2 evil hobbits in the books, plus the Sackvill-Bagginses who are more annoying and greedy rather than evil.

  • Stephen Amorino
    Stephen Amorino Ай бұрын +284

    Best point made in the video: Elrond should've been the one to go to Numenor based on the kinship connection to Elros

    • Fred
      Fred 9 күн бұрын

      Nooo way celimbror is a dwarven friend. Why so they need elrond for that than?? :/

    • Fred
      Fred 9 күн бұрын

      Ist's the whole galadriel Thing which seems to heavily constructed, aswell as packing the forging of the Rings in the First season. After elrond comes in with the Roll and galadriel says "lets make 3 instead of 2" it should have been over

    • StapleBow 62989
      StapleBow 62989 23 күн бұрын +3

      @Pedro Magalhães Yeah, fair enough. Though I think you and I would both agree that the context they built the story in should be more closely aligned to Tolkien’s work.

    • Pedro Magalhães
      Pedro Magalhães 24 күн бұрын +1

      @StapleBow 62989 True, that's good. I meant that in the context they built in that story, it made sense the decision of Gil Galad.

    • StapleBow 62989
      StapleBow 62989 24 күн бұрын +1

      @Pedro Magalhães No, Celebrimbor is the friend of dwarves, he should have gotten that plot line.

  • Simple Sonata
    Simple Sonata Ай бұрын +111

    I actually saw the show before the movie, and was appalled at how monstrous the harfoots were. I finally saw the movies over the last week and seeing Sam, Merry and Pippen jump in front of orcs, nazguls and Shelob without hesitation to defend each other I understood so much better.
    Also, I wholly doubt the stranger is a blue wizard because to me it feels like they're eager to abuse the recognizability of known characters rather than allowing unfamiliar characters be extremely crucial.

    • Simple Sonata
      Simple Sonata 6 күн бұрын

      @ciukmicubisi "Take their wheels and leave them."

    • Red Elf Shot the Food
      Red Elf Shot the Food 15 күн бұрын

      @Zero Attention Gaming Both of them had 2 names, my guess is to allow Tolkien to flex more linguistics muscles. All of the wizards had at least two names based on the cultures interacting with them. And, Tolkien changed his mind on the blue wizards’ history based on his collected writings.

    • Zero Attention Gaming
      Zero Attention Gaming 15 күн бұрын

      ​@Red Elf Shot the Food The blue wizards were actually given names? That's more attention than I remember them ever getting

    • Bookywooky
      Bookywooky 29 күн бұрын +2

      @Matthew Well, considering none of those are actually based on any kind of literature, I don't understand what you're trying to say here. 🙄

    • Matthew
      Matthew 29 күн бұрын +1

      @Bookywooky guessing you liked such gems like X-men apocalypse, Jaws the revenge, Highlander 2, Robo cop 3….. they were all gems that just got bashed on too right?

  • Gary Welsh
    Gary Welsh Ай бұрын +417

    I'm the biggest Tolkien fan in my circle of friends who all love fantasy... and I couldn't watch more than the first two episodes. I didn't hate it, I just thought it was boring and it didn't feel at all like the Middle-earth I loved. It was like watching fan fiction.

    • J D
      J D 22 сағат бұрын

      @Charlie I mean, when I think about English people, I imagine very fair people.

    • Charlie
      Charlie Күн бұрын

      @Phatty Bolger "Mythology for England" apparently means "mythology for the white people of England" in your view? FYI there are non-white people in England, and were in Tolkien's time, so it's a rather strange argument to make against their positive representation in his mythology.

    • Phatty Bolger
      Phatty Bolger Күн бұрын +2

      ​@Charlie If a Black author wrote what he specifically described as "a Mythology for Africa"- would you then be okay with a multi-billion dollar corporation taking those stories and adapting them with white actors in prominent roles? If you answered yes, you're lying to yourself.
      Tolkien's Legendarium is a Mythology for England with deep roots in European Mythology. I would simply find the casting strange if it weren't for the fact that this is clearly (as stated by the creators and by the actors ad nauseam) a political move- the LotR and Tolkien community has always been diverse and inclusive, the writers and execs just wanted to do what they thought would get them the most money by pandering to an incredibly vocal political minority by employing what is commonly known as "woke" ideology.
      And Orcs are not a parallel for dark-skinned people, in fact, in the LotR films, a lot of them were played by white New Zealanders. And the fact you brought up the Haradrim shows that you understand that Tolkien included different races in his world- the races of the West (where the stories are set), being pale-skinned- as they should have been cast in any adaptation. And if you have a problem with the Haradrim being portrayed as villains in the very few stories they are featured- go and read something else, or better yet write something else, instead of advocating it be changed.

    • Alexandra Simon
      Alexandra Simon 4 күн бұрын

      Watching the kind of fan fiction I close after half a chapter

    • Marek Białkowski
      Marek Białkowski 7 күн бұрын

      yeah its like a beginner DM who only played D&D decided "lets make a session in Middle Earth"

  • Astromancerguy
    Astromancerguy 2 ай бұрын +1795

    During the early seasons of Game of Thrones, the world felt huge. It would take half a season or more sometimes to travel from Winterfell to King's Landing. Later seasons saw characters teleporting around like Rings of Power. It makes the world feel small.

    • Coen Lammerts
      Coen Lammerts 4 күн бұрын

      I mean the real story takes places over 1000 years so you need to compromise somewhere

    • I Am The Pope
      I Am The Pope 19 күн бұрын

      @The Booze Cruiser (Recreational Drunk Driver ) NGL that sounds like you belong at home on the bandwagon of whatever the masses tell you to think. It's ok to try and come up with your own ideas champ. The show is what it is, and yall loved it when you thought everyone else did and dumped it when you heard the right people complain. The opinion of a follower doesn't really mean much in the scheme of things, there's plenty of you lined up behind each other. Sit and spin.

    • Astromancerguy
      Astromancerguy 22 күн бұрын

      @Maya Orozco Agree about the sets. They were sterile and looked un-lived in and worst of all, generic. Especially the elven cities and southlands. The Harfoots' village was unique though.

    • Maya Orozco
      Maya Orozco 22 күн бұрын

      Not to mention how small the sets were. You never see 10 elves in the same place. Dwarfs got something like 6 guards (and background generated people). The Southlands have a population of 50 people (with half of them duplicated). Even Numenor which seem to be the most populated does not even seem big while filmed on set when spacing extras around to make it look more populated.

  • Jason Murillo
    Jason Murillo Ай бұрын +69

    It will never cease to astonish me that we never got to see Galadriel (the show’s main character) use magic in any way the entire first season, unless you count her ability to withstand a volcanic explosion.

    • Bryan Perras
      Bryan Perras Ай бұрын

      Technically, we didn't get to "see" her survive that after. We saw the cloud envelope her and then we saw that she survived. We never got to see how or why.

    • Samwise Gamgee
      Samwise Gamgee Ай бұрын

      @Red Elf Shot the Food True. Maybe that was what they intended about her swimming to Middle Earth. That could be her magic showing in the subtle Tolkien way.
      But again, magic in Middle-Earth is subtle, so I wouldn't expect a High Elf to show it unless absolutely necessary. Finrod, if I remember correctly, seems to have usually fought with a sword. He only had a musical battle when he went up against the most powerful foe he had ever faced. With that in mind, I wouldn't expect Galadriel's power to be too obvious either.
      But as for Nenya, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Three also channel their wearers' power, correct? I mean, Olórin has nothing in particular to do with fire but Gandalf does, possibly because of his own ring. If so, it is possible, isn't it, that Nenya's power would make her power more obvious?

    • Red Elf Shot the Food
      Red Elf Shot the Food Ай бұрын +2

      Interesting point. She has seen the Trees. She should be more powerful in the 2nd age than later as the light gradually dies in the world. Nenya is about preservation. They clearly are likening her to Athena. A warrior goddess.
      Perhaps her skill at arms and fearlessness in diving into the ocean or climbing cliffs towards enemies is her form of magic revealed. Imagine a 20 something year old woman today doing such things. The average 20 year old (male or female) isn’t able to do such things. Or even contemplate them.

    • Squaeman _
      Squaeman _ Ай бұрын

      @OGRE !!!! yes she is, elves in general are magical, but galadriel is quite special.

    • Samwise Gamgee
      Samwise Gamgee Ай бұрын +3

      In all fairness, she lacks Nenya at this point, so she shouldn't be quite as powerful. We didn't see Elrond do any obvious magic either, or Gil-Galad, both of whom are very powerful Elves of high lineage. Also, outside of wizards and especially major events, magic in Middle-Earth is very subtle. I mean, I guess maybe she could have had a musical battle with Sauron or something as her brother did. So, even if she did use magic, there is question as to how easily the viewer could pick up on it. There's a reason why some people say that Gandalf seems weak at times-it's not that he actually lacks power (his battle with the Balrog was a clear example) but magic is almost always subtle unless there is a very good reason for it not to be.

  • Doug Rutherford
    Doug Rutherford Ай бұрын +56

    My favourite part is the Khazad-dûm story. The mithril origin story drives me bonkers. It seems that the discovery of mithril is recent, despite the fact that the the ship of Eärendil is made from mithril and elven glass in Valinor.

    • Black Sheep
      Black Sheep Ай бұрын +12

      I thought the show couldn’t get any worse after Galadriel jumped into the middle of the ocean but the mithril thing drove me insane.

  • WumpusRat
    WumpusRat Ай бұрын +21

    To me, the whole "Commander of the Northern Armies" title actually came across as a joke. Like it wasn't really meant to be taken seriously, despite the show desperately wanting the audience to go "oooh, she's a big general!" Because not only does Eregion seem to have a population of MAYBE 20 people, but you never see ANY military elves other than Galadriel and her little band of soldiers. So my guess was those six guys WERE "the northern armies". Like you have a captain and two soldiers. That's "Northern Army One", and another captain and two soldiers for "Northern Army Two", and Galadriel is in charge of those two "armies".
    I get that it was during lockdown and you couldn't have hundreds of people all gathered together, but for god's sake, Amazon, you bragged about having a budget of nearly half a billion dollars for this first season. My guess is that they spent around 100 million on CGI, another hundred million on sets and actors, and the other 300 million went to buying positive press and advertising.
    Because they certainly didn't spend much on costuming. The costumes looked like something you'd find in a bin in the back of a local small town theater.
    On the topic of the whole "pyroclastic flow", I honestly don't care about the science behind it. What matters to me is what the episode DEPICTS. You have this mass of fire and ash washing over the characters. In the next scene, it shows the village having been DESTROYED by it. These are buildings made out of stone, that the orcs were trying to get into -- even to the point of using a BATTERING RAM -- and couldn't breach, even after HOURS of trying. The eruption demolished the buildings. They were turned into flaming rubble. And NONE of the characters who were in that same spot were even mildly injured. Barely a hair out of place. That's why it was so ludicrous and stupid to me. Not because of the science behind pyroclastic flows, but what the show actually expected you to watch and believe. When a show breaks its own lore or canon from moment to moment, it's a sign of incredibly sloppy writing. Which this show has in spades.

    • Joey GK
      Joey GK 6 күн бұрын

      @Nerd of the Rings Well Elrond was Gil-Galads second in command. Galadrial was never a commander or involved in anything military except arguably when she led the white council to cast Sauron out of Dol Guldur, which was mostly a magic thing, not fighting. Its pure "girl boss" fabrication on amazons part that Galadrial was some fierce warrior and general.

    • Katie Dunmore
      Katie Dunmore 7 күн бұрын +1

      this, costumes not as in depth and believable. pretty, but costumes. not real people real world feel of peter jacksons.

    • Chaos Theory
      Chaos Theory Ай бұрын +1

      Living Anachronism has a fantastic video explaining exactly why the costume design of this show feels so awful: "What Makes Good Costume Design?"

    • Nerd of the Rings
      Nerd of the Rings  Ай бұрын +4

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The Commander title was definitely an odd one. At least in the FOTR prologue, we *see* Elrond leading an army - even if we aren't told his title going forward.
      I totally get the eruption criticism too. It's definitely a suspension of disbelief moment that lands really close to borderline and will receive mixed reaction. For better or worse, I just kinda thought - oh, that looked cool and epic and will probably mess some stuff up. haha. I also look back to Tolkien's text where we find that elves are very hard to kill, which gives me some leeway with Galadriel in particular. As for the mortals...definitely more questionable. I think I landed just on the right side of the suspension of disbelief line, but I understand that many folks didn't.

  • Christopher Avetisian
    Christopher Avetisian Ай бұрын +70

    What this show does with Tolkiens' works, can be likened to what Taco Bell did to Mexican food. Tasty to some, but gives everyone the sh*ts...

    • Phatty Bolger
      Phatty Bolger Күн бұрын

      I'd say it's more like what "Kay's cooking" did to cuisine in general. She can't cook.

    • J Mad
      J Mad Ай бұрын +7

      People who expect fresh authentic Mexican cuisine from taco bell are going to be disappointed.
      People who expected a faithful and well made adaptation of Tolkien's world from Amazon were disappointed.
      I knew "Rings of Power" was gonna be a "crunchwrap supreme". I like crunchwrap supremes. They aren't great. I know it isn't authentic Mexican.
      I set my expectations EXACTLY where they needed to be in order to enjoy Rings of Power for what it would most likely be, which was a visually compelling show based very loosely on characters and stories that were created by JRR Tolkien.

  • Mike Mason
    Mike Mason Ай бұрын +180

    Dude you are hitting on a level of critical thinking with this series that producers and decision-makers need but don’t deserve.

    • Moonlight
      Moonlight 28 күн бұрын

      The retcon of how silmarils, mithril, the trees of valinor, elves all worked just left me kind of speechless with how dumb it was, especially when he pointed out the glaring errors with how:
      1. The problem doesn't exist because the Sun has the light of valinor
      2. The solution isn't even a solution because the trees are dead

    • M F
      M F 28 күн бұрын +1

      The thing is amazon bought and planned a five, 5 FIVE season show. Their flaw in this is that they seem to have very much so misplanned things how they progress and just completely guttered the first season by planning the greatness of the later seasons and plots thereof

    • Mark
      Mark Ай бұрын +3

      @S R wtf?

    • S R
      S R Ай бұрын +6

      @Red Elf Shot the FoodDon't worry, the next season is directed and written by only women, so that will fix all the issues /s

  • Mark
    Mark 2 ай бұрын +984

    Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas' quest to rescue the Hobbits was SO memorable for me because they really showed the scale of their chase. Even as a kid I felt their desperation and how they were always barely managing to keep up.

    • Sariella Kingdom
      Sariella Kingdom Ай бұрын +1

      A lot of Lord of the Rings works well because of the travel. Not for nothing do people snarkily joke about all the walking (in good humour). Even the Hobbit doesn't do badly with it.

    • Checkmate1138
      Checkmate1138 2 ай бұрын

      @Vlad Cirus 3 movies yeah, but back then I didn't think they were long, lol 😂

    • dagda3000
      dagda3000 2 ай бұрын +6

      Comparing the 3 OG movies with the Amazon show is like comparing a five star dinner to a McDonalds meal

    • Checkmate1138
      Checkmate1138 2 ай бұрын +1

      @Daily Wire Third Stringer Ah yeah, that scene is the best. Okay, that's one example.

    • Frankje01
      Frankje01 2 ай бұрын

      @Ubahnub Yeah I am talking about the "journey" the books take us on,

  • Coach OPS
    Coach OPS Ай бұрын +21

    Once again, NOTR’s level of depth, knowledge, and literary and story-telling analysis is just simply off the charts. Combine that with your voice and video production value and you consistently deliver some of the highest quality content - not just on LOTR, but really any subject. Nice work!

    • Rick O'Shay
      Rick O'Shay Ай бұрын +1

      No, you REALLY need to watch Just Some Guy's review of each individual episode. He RIPS the show apart. And he's fluent in at least one Elvish language. That is how deep and devoted he is to Tolkien.

  • Ned Ames
    Ned Ames Ай бұрын +62

    When the showrunners don't understand human motivations: tribalism, friendship, self-sacrifice, men and women? When they actively diss the greatest mythmaker of the modern age and attempt to "improve" on his work without doing Tolkien level work themselves? You get a trainwreck.

  • Alexandra Semposki
    Alexandra Semposki Ай бұрын +7

    Totally agree on the point about fans and book and surprises: we have been waiting for this for ages, to see the Second Age on screen, not to be floored by totally new plot twists that we didn't need.

  • Spencer Johnson
    Spencer Johnson Ай бұрын +10

    I think The Stranger is going to be Gandalf. The love he has for the Hobbits would tie into the compassion they showed him when he fell from the sky would make sense I guess. Could also be Saruman. I wouldn’t be shocked either way.
    Also. Amazing video. Such a thorough analysis of the entire season.

  • TwinStripe UK
    TwinStripe UK Ай бұрын +8

    It's stumbled a lot, and there were more than a few 'Oh, come on...' moments in it, but the show has actually been a lot better than I expected it to be. I absolutely agree with the summing up of this video, especially with the observation that the redeeming factors of the Hobbit are its big moments and the redeeming factors of the show are the small ones. If the following seasons build on the small 'character' moments and stop trying to shoehorn in the 'mystery box' and 'cliffhanger' elements then perhaps it might get the breathing room for people to realise that the Hobbit didn't do it any better, and that the Jackson Trilogy (as great as it was) was guilty of its own sins.

  • Caio Miqueri
    Caio Miqueri Ай бұрын +85

    I just couldn't stop laughing when the hobbits say that their hearts are bigger than their feet, when in fact moments ago they were talking about sabotaging someone's cart, leaving a family behind because the father hurt his leg, making fun of people that died, and expelled the Stranger because his magic broke a tree branch on top of a stupid kid who stayed under the tree while he was performing magic AT THEIR REQUEST.
    And I also can't forget that Halbrand had to tell the greatest smith in existence about... mixing metals. Jesus Christ...

    • E
      E 29 күн бұрын +5

      The parts that made me laugh but for the wrong reason: Galadriel casually swimming back to Middle Earth from Valinor, Galadriel casually stumbling upon Sauron, Isildur's sister getting a guild acceptance letter (sounded like Gilmore Girls), Sauron fistfighting some blacksmiths...
      Some of the characters are rendered idiotic otherwise the plot couldn't happen, this is why we get a Celebrimbor who's never heard of alloys and migratory hobbits who don't figure out that putting ponies before their carts would make things easier.
      But to say something nice: I like Elrond and Khazad Dum is beautiful.

  • ObiwannacracK
    ObiwannacracK Ай бұрын +7

    This was a fantastic, thorough, and eloquent way of explaining why this show crumbled more as each episode was released.

  • Marek Białkowski
    Marek Białkowski 7 күн бұрын +1

    I liked how cleverly Galadriel hid her Northern Armies that she was commander of so that we didnt see it in the show

  • Gid tha illest
    Gid tha illest 16 күн бұрын +1

    I like how they did the orcs in the first few episodes we saw them. Scary and dangerous

  • Nathan Puckett
    Nathan Puckett Ай бұрын +7

    One of the high points for me is the song "Where the Shadows Lie" in the closing credits of ep8. Fiona Apple sounds like a more powerful Judy Garland, and the song is just epic. Hopefully it'll become a reoccurring theme. It would be an amazing score for the forging of the one ring! Great review!

  • Xen Cmo
    Xen Cmo Ай бұрын +8

    Heeey "I am no man" is a great moment! As a little girl I just loved it!
    And I feel it's necessary for Eowyn as a character to have some weight in the story. Cause we can't explore her character as much as we can in the books.
    Maybe this moment seems kind of silly for grown-ups watching this movie for the first time, but it still entertaining. I watched trilogy as a kid so I love almost everything about it including "I am no man" moment

  • Justin Kashtock
    Justin Kashtock 2 ай бұрын +501

    When that scene in Númenor was occuring where they were complaining about elves taking their income opportunities away from them, I began laughing so loudly that my wife, who was watching it with me asked what was so funny. All I could think about during that entire scene was the South Park episode where all the townsfolk are complaining about the future people saying "they took our jobs!", because it was practically a carbon copy of that South Park episode.

    • Telrenaur
      Telrenaur Ай бұрын

      I’m super unfamiliar with the Tolkien lore and even I thought that whole concept was kinda…. Goofy.
      I did enjoy the series overall though. I like it better than the hobbit series but not as much as the lord of the rings films.

    • Justin Kashtock
      Justin Kashtock Ай бұрын

      @Pepe Silvia yep. It just struck me as the script writers attempting political commentary about something that was a hot button issue when they were writing the script, but considering the fact that 5 or 6 years have passed since then due to the length of time needed for rewrites, hiring actors, building sets, filming, and post production, it just feels really out of place and hackney.

    • Stephen Inman
      Stephen Inman Ай бұрын +4

      That scene might’ve been the most Un-Tolkienian thing I saw on that show. Truly an embarrassment.

    • Sariella Kingdom
      Sariella Kingdom Ай бұрын +4

      I am quite forgiving of the show, but that was a line that made me Facepalm. Especially as, Rowdy Blacksmith (who, yeah was a set up by Pharazon, but still...) does his allegorical speech about taking of jobs but...
      Two foreign people have turned up on Numenor, one seemed intent on taking his job. The other is the Elf.

    • Pepe Silvia
      Pepe Silvia Ай бұрын +15

      Worst part is: there was only ONE elf in the entire island and the whole dispute being settled by the regents was to take the damn elf to the mainland. Incoherent and lazy at best, horrible writing at worst.

  • Aurel Corstan
    Aurel Corstan Ай бұрын +5

    Forgot 1 other favorite thing.
    Adar was pretty cool despite the fact that he doesn't seem to know that "Uruk" literally means "Orc".
    And his calling out Galadriel was amazing.

  • joeyboogenz
    joeyboogenz 5 күн бұрын

    Musically & heart wrenching .Nothing will ever come close to Pippins song "All shall fade " Which he wrote and performed .

  • Marandahir
    Marandahir Ай бұрын +3

    I’d also argue that it’s almost 100% sure that the Stranger is Gandalf. His relationship with fire, his prequoting Gandalf (and Bilbo), his connection with Proto-Hobbits, and most of all his musical theme: it’s a directly related motif to Gandalf’s theme in the Hobbit trilogy.
    It has little to nothing to do with Radagast’s or Saruman’s themes.
    Remember that this is the same show that takes Gollum’s Song from TTT credits and turns it into the melody for The Verse of the Rings.

  • Matthew Miller
    Matthew Miller 5 күн бұрын

    You taking about Elrond being the one to visit Numenor instead of Galadriel gave me shivers. So much lost potential!
    I'll add you to my growing list of youtubers capable of writing a better story than Amazon. :D

  • Major Pwner
    Major Pwner 14 күн бұрын +1

    Imagine dignifying Rings of Power by not only watching it twice, but giving it a serious review that doesn't shave its balls off with a slow turning grindstone of hate.

  • BoundInHumanBones
    BoundInHumanBones 2 ай бұрын +541

    "Galadriel bounces around like she's in a Middle Earth Pin Ball Machine" made my day.

    • John Lenz
      John Lenz Ай бұрын +1

      @J Mad i was being dramatic tbh and actually enjoyed being in that universe again. i was able to suspend my criticsms and still be immersed in the realm of middle earth once more. it felt cozy to look forward to watch something once a week and see how it played out. looking back, theres so many countless flaws. but i still had fun watching it lol

    • J Mad
      J Mad Ай бұрын +1

      I actually enjoyed watching it, but It was exactly what I was expecting and therefore I wasn't disappointed

    • J Mad
      J Mad Ай бұрын +3

      @John Lenz did you assume that the show was going to be a well made and faithful adaptation of the world created by JRR Tolkien? Because that's the only reason you could have been surprised and disappointed by it. The second I heard Amazon was making a series based on Tolkien's second age I dug a nice deep hole and buried all my expectations. It was never going to be anything but watered down inaccurate swill.

    • Luke Hunter
      Luke Hunter Ай бұрын +1

      It’s because there is a tempest in her !!! 😂

    • Jedediah Galloway
      Jedediah Galloway 2 ай бұрын +5

      @John Lenz Thankfully there was House of the Dragon to wash the bad taste from my palate.

  • Geoffrey
    Geoffrey Ай бұрын +4

    Hope the showrunners listen to your critiques around 1:03:00. There's a difference between creating an adaptation and an original work. (The Oscar's even differentiate this!) I feel like a golden rule that the showrunners missed was "Respect the text." By inserting their own prejudice for what the audience would respond well to and how to deal with acid fans, they diluted a strong story.
    Great breakdown!

  • RobertWF42
    RobertWF42 19 күн бұрын

    No hesitation on my part about Bear McCreary's abilities - he composed the fantastic music in the Battlestar Galactica reboot!

  • Brian Pelletier
    Brian Pelletier Ай бұрын +6

    The best aspects of the show were the practical orc effects and the fact that it was "only" 8 episodes long.

  • Tilley king
    Tilley king 12 күн бұрын

    Love your review man its awesome to hear someone who can critique something without bashing it simply because they don't like it. People seem to forget reality has to play a big part in writing just as it does in life, nothing goes the exact same way in life as it does in our heads. People do things that we never would of thought they would, even we ourselves act out of our own character sometimes take roads we know we should never go down. Good does not always do good nor does evil always do evil that's just life. Good writing will reflect that. I feel we take reality out of the picture to much when it comes to books and movies. Like they have to be some type of perfect world where everything goes the way we see it in our heads when that's the furthest thing from the way things actually go in real life, so why in books and movies should it be any different.

  • fogwat
    fogwat Ай бұрын +14

    Fun fact: Elves ears are magical and allow them to fast travel across the game map.

  • Songs from the Canoe
    Songs from the Canoe 2 ай бұрын +396

    "Mithrilchlorian" should be a term. Absolutely nails it.

  • Evren A
    Evren A Ай бұрын +19

    Hey, this was an honest and thorough review. Great stuff. Love it when fantasy doesn't need sex/nudity or ridiculous violence to tell a mature story. Feels like they're few and far between.

    • Kenny Palmer
      Kenny Palmer Ай бұрын +2

      I loved that could share this world with my kids.

  • Joshua Brigden
    Joshua Brigden Ай бұрын

    31:49 Elendil's face😂no fear just "uhm, this is a joke yeah?" i cant remember what he actually said but i will remember this as canon now

  • branstonpickle
    branstonpickle Ай бұрын +2

    The Stranger is surely Gandalf right? That line "Always follow your nose"??? Also the early bonding to the Harfoots to explain why Gandlalf believes in Hobbits so much.

  • Aurel Corstan
    Aurel Corstan Ай бұрын +1

    I think the hair thing for Elrond is supposed to convey his overall youth.
    Though that would probably mean Celebrimbor is wearing his hair short as a mid-life crisis thing or something. Lol.

    ZERO4LIFE Ай бұрын

    not gonna lie for the first time i actually feel like i might give watching the show a chance, with everything i heard of it being doom and gloom and massacring characters, your analysis has given me some things to look out for in the series

  • Coy
    Coy 2 ай бұрын +399

    Biggest tell of my feelings toward the show was that I forgot it existed until I saw this video in my recommended feed. My wife and I landed that it was very pretty fanfiction, then promptly forgot about it.

    • Snorlax
      Snorlax Ай бұрын +1

      The best way to see how little impact this series had is that there are no memes about it.

    • Freefromfear
      Freefromfear Ай бұрын +3

      I've read fanfiction better than this show.

    • Will Bourner V
      Will Bourner V Ай бұрын +5

      @Nifter71 basically "It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien's work would reflect what the world actually looks like" or "we just want to use tolkiens work to push our woke agenda"

    • C. S. Brooks
      C. S. Brooks Ай бұрын +4

      Good way to put it

    • Nifter71
      Nifter71 Ай бұрын +19

      Yup. Tolkien didn't write any of this. Not one word. So it's just people putting on his coat and walking around in it, trying to mimic him.
      If they'd moved the entire thing to the imagined far east or far south of Middle Earth with an entirely invented cast, setting and story-line, I'd have given it a look.
      But this corporate assemblage of modern sensibilities and Trilogy member-berries ('member this?') can take a hike. I just don't care. In fact, I don't want my continued fondness for the books and for Jackson's LOTR trilogy to be infected by this. The Hobbit movie trilogy nearly did that already...

  • Josh Agamemnon
    Josh Agamemnon Ай бұрын +2

    I think the stranger is obviously Gandalf based on his follow your nose quote

  • Tracey Edson
    Tracey Edson Ай бұрын +1

    I really enjoy your commentaries. As one who primarily relates to Tolkien through the films, though not only - I keep the Trilogy volume to hand - I appreciate your perspective. Also, just great narration & illustration.

  • carnebie
    carnebie Ай бұрын +3

    Re: fast travel. Jackson was merely faithful to Tolkien. Tolkien was painstaking about the distances, speeds of travel, passage of time, and even the effect it would have on seasons. Jackson faithfully transmitted that to the screen, but it was already in the DNA of the stories, especially LotR.

    • TrekBeatTK
      TrekBeatTK Ай бұрын

      Jackson was faithful in Lord of the Rings (sort of), but NOT in The Hobbit which has barely any sense of time and people run all over that map. Legolas can go to Gundabad in an afternoon.

  • George Smith
    George Smith 22 күн бұрын +1

    My favorite part was when the ending credits were rolling

  • Alx56
    Alx56 Ай бұрын

    I love how you are so clear about your opinion and that it might be that of the few in some cases and that its not a definition for us but a discussion point and or a agree to disagree situation.
    Amazing video i loved the execution

  • Alastair
    Alastair 2 ай бұрын +353

    I can recite pretty much the entire original trilogy off by heart.
    I can barely even remember anything that happened in this series and I watched every episode.

    • The Speculum
      The Speculum 13 күн бұрын

      @Derp good one buddy. Fuckin philistine

    • Hayden Carn
      Hayden Carn Ай бұрын

      @Scepticisme Scientifique Nah, it really is, NotR was too soft on this series in this review.
      The writing is dog-s__t 80 to 90% of the time.
      The casting was actually bad, I mean, our MC Galadriel was LAME as heck.
      She reminded me very much of Captain Marvel with how she was written and how she acts.
      She has the emotional range of a potato.
      Anyway, there are also MANY more issues with the characters and them not making any sense at all.
      But my biggest problem with the series is how this feels NOTHING like Tolkien.
      This feels like generic fantasy series B.
      Of course, then there are the sets, the armor and so on, which in many cases are HORRID.
      Like, worse than in most low-budget movies I have ever seen.
      The special effects were also... Well, let's just say that there was nothing special about them.
      As an example, comparing Minas Tirith from the movies to the cities and building here...
      Well. The movies were released in 2003, and they still look better than this series, and I mean by a LOT.
      Here the cities just look, kind of like Marvel CG does, OK, but certainly not realistic,
      and by that I don't mean lighting wise, which can be excused to add atmosphere.
      I mean, the actual buildings look fake as f__k.
      And there is a LOT more, the political side of all this is even worse.
      They made quite a big deal about "the first female dwarf on screen EVER" which is not true, not in Tolkien, and certainly not in general.
      And then they also played into the race stuff, first black elf, first black dwarf (Which also makes NO sense, since they live underground).
      And I could keep going, but this is a pretty good point to end it.

    • Skabanis Malaka
      Skabanis Malaka 2 ай бұрын +2

      Tolkien was the first fantasy I was ever exposed to when I was in 6th grade 40 plus years ago I owe it to hate this show with my whole being. They could of stuck to what was there yet they went down the OP woman power stuff! Galadriel is second powerful and wisest elf ever…show my a minute a second where she is any of that…garbage dumpster fire I stand with Tolkiens memory and will never finish anything this show has to offer!

    • Kevin B
      Kevin B 2 ай бұрын +2

      I am right there with you. Excited to watch it at first and probably wont watch it again.

    • ryul21
      ryul21 2 ай бұрын +1

      I watched this 3 movie trilogy probably over 100 times and I know it by heart - I watched this 8 hour season one time and don't remember anything so its bad

  • Harrison Wilkinson
    Harrison Wilkinson Ай бұрын +1

    I feel like had Elrond gone to Numenor (which honestly is still a possibility in the show) Pharazon would have cooked up some conspiracy to run him off the island saying “he’s here for his brother’s throne” or something like that.

  • Spaceknight105
    Spaceknight105 16 күн бұрын +1

    idk if this might sound a lot more crazier, but the way Halbrand or Sauron acted like you know innocent and helpful before you know becoming a baddy in later episodes reminds me of Makima from the anime chainsaw man

  • CJ79
    CJ79 Ай бұрын +3

    I’m soooooooo disappointed the guy playing Adar isn’t coming back, he was my favorite non-dwarf character in the series. Hope he is still the same in S2.

  • Saidakhmad Saidaskharov
    Saidakhmad Saidaskharov Ай бұрын

    Remember the scene where Lord Elrond sends a battalion of elves to Helm's deep remember the scene they enter Aragorn Rohan people and Rohan king were in awe in compete state of speechlessness and the vibe that elves had and the elven commander who also acted as Darken Rul in the legend of seeker played and acted with a tone of mystery elegance that elves have that is another level that elves entering the keep still makes me have goosebumps when. I watch it occasionally

  • Lad, The One And Only
    Lad, The One And Only Ай бұрын +3

    never seen this channel before but really enjoying the content that I'm seeing right now. Great balanced criticism imo

  • Joseph Harris
    Joseph Harris 2 ай бұрын +531

    I think the big thing you didn't mention on the "bad writing" aspect is how this TV show way too much relied on "coincidences" to move the plot along instead of doing a better job of connecting the dots or making why this events happen make more sense. There are a lot, but let me give the top 3:
    1) Galadriel deciding to jump ship in the middle of the ocean and low and behold, she encounters Sauron on a raft in the middle of that ocean (WHAT A COINCIDENCE!)
    2) The whole Mt. Doom story arc to where it has to be unlocked by a mystical sword, they capture Adar, but no one bothers to check to see if they actually have the sword until hours later so that the tertiary character could make our explosive Mt. Doom scene happen (WHAT A COINCIDENCE!)
    3) Halbrand is severely wounded in the 2nd to last episode (off-screen by the way), there's no elvish medicine at this time, but he is able to make a 5 day journey to Eregion on horse by himself (WHAT A COINCIDENCE!)

    • Normis
      Normis 3 күн бұрын

      @Brendan Sousa In The Two Towers, Faramir finds Frodo and Sam because the fire spread to some leaves that just out of luck started to emite some fumes. And, just out of coincidence, just at that time, Faramir was accomplishing some sort of mission in Ithilien. And just out of luck, it turned out that from all Gondor’s captains, Frodo met Faramir who was Boromir’s brother. So Tolkien does this pretty often in his works, claiming it was the will of Eru or some other supernatural force. If you find this good or bad writing, that’s on you.

    • Brendan Sousa
      Brendan Sousa 3 күн бұрын

      People like to bring up the fact that Tolkien himself wrote coincidences too but they felt more organic.
      Like the Council of Elrond for example. It was a chance meeting that members of the Fellowship happened to be there at the same place, at the same time. However, they all had their reasons for arriving at Rivendell. Boromir with the dream he had, the Dwarves being concerned with the visitor at Erebor and so on.

    • Kylar Stern
      Kylar Stern Ай бұрын

      Would I be right in assuming this is more a series for casual fans?
      Feels like this did to LOTR what the Eragon movie did to the Inheritance cycle
      If ya haven't read the books the Eragon movie is.... well it's there
      But if you have....oh gosh

    • Normis
      Normis Ай бұрын

      Well… Tolkien is pretty “coincidental” from time to time. Not to defend Rop, but, just to name an example, in the book tfotr, a Nazgul misses Frodo in Hobitton by being meters away from Bag end. I could keep going, but there are way too many coincidences in the whole Lotr trilogy

    • Joseph Harris
      Joseph Harris Ай бұрын

      @Milos Stojanovic I think they read the books, but then wanted to take the parts they liked and then shoe-horn the stuff they wanted into the story:
      Exhibit A) Let's include the Harfoots even though they played no major role in the 2nd age (oh let's make female versions of Frodo & Sam while we're at it)
      Exhibit B) Let's have a revenge quest for Galadriel hunting down Sauron, but little does she know, Sauron was with her the whole time without her knowing
      Exhibit C) Let's make up the origin of Mithril and also let's have it be an ore with magical healing powers too!
      Exhibit D) While Mt. Doom was created by Morgoth, let's show the creation of Mordor and have Galadriel play a role in that

  • Anthony
    Anthony Ай бұрын

    You really outdid yourself on this review. This was absolutely thought-provoking on the possibilities for next season as well as covering things I didn't catch myself during the series and re-watch. Thank you for taking the time and reflection and doing the best season breakdown & review on this series period. 👍

  • wäscha
    wäscha Ай бұрын +1

    If Fans and KZcliprs can create better storylines than actual paid writers, I dont know what to say anymore.

  • LaserFloyd
    LaserFloyd Ай бұрын +6

    Honestly, I would have been good if they just did an entire series on Khazad-dûm. While Elrond and Durin IV are a step away from the literature into the realm of creative license, it's the least contrived part of the entire series and it really did feel genuine. (Minus the Balrog, lol.)

    • ExeErdna
      ExeErdna Ай бұрын

      It's the one thing that really doesn't beat on the trilogy outside of that Balrog popping up.

  • cxmb
    cxmb 25 күн бұрын +2

    This review of yours really resonated with me, in part because you were able to put words into a bunch of my concerns and issues I also have with this first season.
    But also because your analysis is so level headed and genuinely trying to be fair with all the different aspects of such a giant production
    I felt like you were left slightly dissatisfied with the season not being able to achieve what it had the potential to, and I agree with that sentiment.
    It is just so refreshing that you can express it with no need to be hateful and/or estremist.
    With no need to offend every single person involved in the production out of anger because stuff didn't come out exactly like we were hoping it did

  • Matthew Miller
    Matthew Miller 6 күн бұрын +1

    They want the box office returns of Peter Jackson's trilogy but don't want you to actually expect them to earn it by delivering a good story.

  • Miki Stamenov
    Miki Stamenov 2 ай бұрын +564

    "Books were treated not as the base on the receipt,but rather the seasoning to be sprinkled in" couldn't said it better myself.

    • Lyn Mellone
      Lyn Mellone Ай бұрын

      @The Water Warrior Legitimate way to spell recipe is receipt, believe it or not.

    • Rick Clark
      Rick Clark Ай бұрын

      Probably my favorite line in the review.

    • Scorpio Mystik
      Scorpio Mystik 2 ай бұрын +1

      This is absolutely my gripe too about the show. Why change so many major things that made it so good! The show is not a chance to one up the original writer!

    • Oliver Lodge Music
      Oliver Lodge Music 2 ай бұрын +3

      And the showrunners even had that quote about always going "back to the books, back to the books". Clearly a complete lie.

  • Tesla God
    Tesla God Ай бұрын +4

    what basically this tv series is saying is that galadriel only gained had his majestic and very strong powers because of the ring,not once in the first season she ever used any powers that she learned from melian.the writers of the show either ignored or ignorantly forgot that galadriel was the reason that sauron's army had massive issues and problems invading lothlorien or are they stating that it was the ring of power that protected lothlorien,not galadriel hersefl,who learned so much enchantments and spells from melian during her stay at doriath in the 1st age.so,the tv show already messed up with writing how powerful galadriel is...

  • CalMariner
    CalMariner Ай бұрын +141

    Dude, they need to hire you as a consultant. Among all the Tolkien/LOTR channels on KZclip, your production quality, presentation style, and ability to stay on task with the topic at hand stand are the best by far.

    • Matt Wroe
      Matt Wroe 18 күн бұрын

      They had a more expert and sacked him when he told them the truth their story sucked

    • Duckmasterflex
      Duckmasterflex Ай бұрын +2

      They clearly hate the source material so why would they hire someone who would have reverence for it

    • Fredrikbb
      Fredrikbb Ай бұрын

      As long as he stops saying "Eggcetera" or "Exxcetera" when it's clearly spelled Etcetera.

    • J D
      J D Ай бұрын

      They would purposely avoid him, just like they purposely "didn't connect" with PJ

  • Julie Ann Fae Healing
    Julie Ann Fae Healing Ай бұрын

    A superb and thorough breakdown. Now I can't unsee Father Durin as Yaxley! lol Also, such great observations and reflections on why striking Annatar out is a let down.

  • Mario Paolucci
    Mario Paolucci 18 күн бұрын

    Great review, I agree with pretty much all of it! One thing you didn't mention in relation to the whole Halbrand/Sauron fiasco is that, on top of the glaring timing issues for a repentant Sauron, there are so many other things that just don't make sense in the writing with this choice such as: what was Sauron doing on a boat with southlanders so late in the age? how does anything of what Halbrand said in Numenor (as Halbrand) make any sense when thinking of him as Sauron? (he wanted to stay there and be a blacksmith?!). Halbrand made perfect sense as a human character, probably one of the better arcs in the season right up until he turned out to be Sauron, it just doesn't make any sense at all.

  • The Cynical Optimist
    The Cynical Optimist Ай бұрын +1

    "The decision to blind Miriel is one I totally didn't see coming"
    Pun intended?

  • Todd Wright
    Todd Wright 2 ай бұрын +226

    I struggled mightily with the way Galadriel was portrayed and the dialogue. When she jumped out of the ship at the end of the first episode I found myself so utterly disappointed I was unable to push play on the second episode so that’s as far as I made it

    • Eric42
      Eric42 Ай бұрын

      @Terry Stewart exactly it's really bad writing overall.

    • Terry Stewart
      Terry Stewart Ай бұрын +2

      @Eric42 The trouble, for the show, is that everything else hangs on it. Without Galadriel jumping into the ocean, the equivalent of someone on a passenger liner getting to within sight of the Statue of Liberty then saying "no thanks!" and jumping ship to swim back to England, without that, Galadriel never meets Halbrand on his raft of convenience. And if that never happens, Halbrand never gets taken to Eregion to meet Celebrimbor. And if that never happens Celebrimbor (the greatest elven smith of the age), never gets introduced to the idea of alloys (seriously!) to make the Rings.
      Now how on earth was Halbrand supposed to engineer any of this? He might be duplicitous, but to engineer that he would have to engineer both Galadriel's suicidal swim attempt _and_ engineer Gil Galad putting her on that ship in the first place. Ridiculous in my opinion.

    • Eric42
      Eric42 2 ай бұрын

      @Amuro0079 Unfortunately the Helcaraxe was sunk along with the rest of Beleriand at the end of the 1st age.

    • Kreestuh
      Kreestuh 2 ай бұрын +1

      @Amuro0079 Maybe this, or another more lore-friendly solution would've been to have the boat "get lost" in the Shadowy Seas-- showing that Galadriel was still barred from Valinor. Her ship still could've met with the Numenoreans on the way back to Middle Earth. As it was, the writers had to pull out contrivance after contrivance to make Galadriel survive the journey and it started to feel silly.

    • Amuro0079
      Amuro0079 2 ай бұрын +1

      I'd have been more on board with it if she'd found herself on the ice bridging the two lands. Helcarax, I believe?

  • Sylvain Lafleche
    Sylvain Lafleche 26 күн бұрын +1

    My favorite part was Arondir and his story arc. I was really surprised how I enjoyed his performance as a quiet stoic elf. I wish we would have seen more action from him and his commander (less of Theo and his mother). I was really upset that Galadriel showed up and took up the screentime in the final battle, stealing Arondir's thunder.
    Which leads me to my least favorite which was Galadriel who was just about the least likeable protagonist in a fantasy film I have ever endured. She seemed more like a villain to me and towards the end I honestly wished she just joined Sauron.
    I also was disappointed in Gil Galad, who really didn't give the sense of a great king of legend, but rather just an arrogant ruler with the right bloodline.

  • Linn Haramis
    Linn Haramis Ай бұрын +1

    Thanks for the insightful review. PS - Despite all its faults, we still enjoyed portions of the ROP and we intend to watch the future episodes.

  • Alexandra Huberson
    Alexandra Huberson Ай бұрын +1

    Fantastic review. The show’s producers better take notes for the upcoming seasons. :)

  • Nomad
    Nomad Ай бұрын +1

    I don’t know why they haven’t used you as an advisor on the show yet! I think you represent and can carry the fate of us all! 😊

  • Dr. Corndog
    Dr. Corndog 2 ай бұрын +316

    I've long thought that the mystery approach is a crutch for bad writers. Good mystery stories exist, but bad ones exist in abundance and often as a substitute for good storytelling.

    • Terry Stewart
      Terry Stewart Ай бұрын

      @FeelGoodGaming I think I was inoculated against mystery boxes by watching 'Lost'. That show was full of them, most of which were never properly answered. As you say, using them so much is a sign of a very poor writer who can't tell a proper story.

    • Steven Henry
      Steven Henry 2 ай бұрын +2

      As someone who actually writes murder mysteries for a living, I absolutely agree. Even in the mystery genre, the mystery itself is often less of a point than the characters, motivations, and explanations of that mystery. The point is NOT to surprise the audience. The point is to tell a compelling story in a way that, when the revelations come, they make sense in a satisfying and fulfilling way. "Defying expectations" is as bad an idea in modern storytelling as shaky-cam was in early-2000s action cinema, and for the same reason. It takes the viewer out of the story, disorients them, and leaves them emotionally cold.

    • Ben Perreth
      Ben Perreth 2 ай бұрын

      That's why Lord Of The Rings is so powerful, in part, because we know, from the get-go, what the good characters must do, from the start, or everything fails.

    • Royeaux
      Royeaux 2 ай бұрын +2

      I remember JJ Abrams tried to tease the same mystery box in his show Alcatraz 2012 at the end of every episode that I kept rolling my eyes and gave up on the show. The most interesting thing that show did before it got canceled was a shot-for-shot remake of the Bullitt Mustang chase through San Francisco.

    • Jedediah Galloway
      Jedediah Galloway 2 ай бұрын +4

      The mystery approach wasn't even that good... surprise! the one lone competent masculine male character was the Big Bad. Let alone "NotGandalf"... Ugh its just such hack writing. I could care less about the politics if the writers are competent. Sadly the approach had promise and possibilities; however, that's the problem with the entire show, missed opportunities. Thankfully I had House of the Dragon to scratch my fantasy itch then. That show turned out to be surprisingly good.

  • Jacob Richman
    Jacob Richman Ай бұрын +1

    But Nori says to the Stranger that "you're good." That shows heart to me. That she recognized the Stranger's struggle (am i good or evil) and was sympathetic and encouraging of him, imo not to manipulate him but because she considers him a friend....also I absolutely loved the pro-Hobbits/Harfoots and their crazy style, braiding any random twigs into their hair! ...It seems to me like an alluring representing of what a nascent Hobbit culture might have looked like.

  • Julio Cardenas
    Julio Cardenas Ай бұрын

    Cruz Córdova.
    The stress is on the first syllable.
    You do a masterful job pronouncing languages that don’t exist. This viewer would appreciate the same attention to Spanish.
    Thank you for a great review and channel. Please keep sharing your talents with us 🙏🏾

  • Sarah Queen
    Sarah Queen Ай бұрын

    Thanks for this wonderful deep dive into your thinking! I quite agree with most of it, and really enjoyed hearing your nuanced and measured takes!
    Looking forward to more in the future, I‘m excited to see what Season 2 will bring

  • Mark68
    Mark68 Ай бұрын +1

    The stranger is more likely to be Gandalf as this is a very popular character. And most casual viewers know Gandalf's name. Also everyone predicted who Sauron was from the get go. Also he says a line which Gandalf once used - if I remember.

  • Voice of the Rings
    Voice of the Rings Ай бұрын +3

    Super well done Matt! I agree whole Heartedly with you. I watched the whole video. Great job! I think you did a fantastic job of Articulating the frustrations and good things that we thought about the show.

  • Ben Hoff
    Ben Hoff 2 ай бұрын +2571

    As someone who worked on the music team for this show, thanks so much for the shout out! Music rarely gets brought up in reviews of most media even though it plays a pivotal role. Feel free to hit me up if you wanna chat any more about the music of the show.

    • Colin Burke
      Colin Burke 3 күн бұрын

      Amazing job!

    • Fierce Armadillo
      Fierce Armadillo 6 күн бұрын

      Utterly gorgeous.

    • Jhett Tiernan
      Jhett Tiernan 24 күн бұрын

      You guys did great with music I’m just sorry you were saddled with such garbage. They didn’t deserve you

    • Kevin C
      Kevin C 29 күн бұрын

      ​@Matt Chiesi lol. Okay

  • Sgt. Natko
    Sgt. Natko Ай бұрын

    1:04:04 - 1:05:05 This whole bit was simply perfect. Well said.

  • TranslatorPaul
    TranslatorPaul 19 күн бұрын +1

    "I'm by no means a professional critic"
    Oh please. This video is an incredible showcase of in-depth analysis and critique that one rarely, if ever, sees elsewhere.

  • Noisy PinkBubble
    Noisy PinkBubble Ай бұрын

    I really liked your analysis! I think it's wise to allow different adaptations to have space to tell the story differently and/or change things to fit their medium. And I like that you made mention of so many things you enjoyed. But I also appreciate your insight into that bit at the end, that the producers wanted to keep viewers in mystery. I think that's the big downfall. So many of my friends thought the Stranger was Gandalf for the whole show. And for the whole show, even though I know fairly little about the lore, I thought that was insane. There's no way it could be him, it doesn't make any sense. To learn than confusion was the point shows me the downfall of a TV show as the medium for this story, at the hands of Amazon no less.
    I actually loved the whole series all the way through, when I thought about it as a standalone story. But when I started scrutinizing the really meaningful moments, it started to crack in unfavorable ways. The lure of making something convoluted just to keep viewers coming back and upping the ratings at premiere... I fear that's going to cheapen a lot of moments that could have been great.

  • Joey Kinsman
    Joey Kinsman Ай бұрын

    You made a fantastic case for making Elrond the main character and I agree with all criticisms of Galadriel’s character. All the actors made great performances.

  • Sean McDonald
    Sean McDonald Ай бұрын

    Gandalf having meritable reason to love, protect and respect will be important in future seasons. It would also explain more about his character and opinions in the rest of the stories too.

  • Thomas Goodwin
    Thomas Goodwin 2 ай бұрын +316

    I feel with Sauron the big question that should have been asked in the show is not "Who is he" but "Why are people buying what this guy is selling?" Because as powerful as Morgoth is, its notable that is Sauron who actually needs Eru to directly intervene for him to be defeated and that is largely because he manages to manipulate huge numbers of people into doing his bidding.
    More generally, I think the show suffers from the problem a lot prequels suffer from which that they treat places and things as more interesting than people - at the end of the day, its not really that interesting how Mordor became a super-exaggerated version of the west Midlands. You could tell a much more interesting story with more less the same structure if you just swapped the Southlands/Mordor for Rhun or Harad (probably the latter as they are more present in the films) and tried to explain why men chose to follow Sauron.

    • TZeldaOo
      TZeldaOo 2 ай бұрын +2

      In order to pull that off the writers would have to be actually smart, but it seems they fired the smart ones to keep the ones with more influential friends.

    • Adam
      Adam 2 ай бұрын +2

      You don't understand Tolkien lore.

    • Big Guy
      Big Guy 2 ай бұрын +2

      The show suffers from not being Tolkein.

    • Andrew Hatcher
      Andrew Hatcher 2 ай бұрын +3

      As a West Midlander I should also point out that much of middle earth is based on it’s beautiful surrounding shire such as Worcestershire

    • James Wood
      James Wood 2 ай бұрын +2

      Well this version of Sauron was specifically meant to be unassuming and overlooked as a threat. It was well written i my opinion. I’m sure before long we will see the dark lord we know and love in all his glory

  • Eugene Braig
    Eugene Braig Ай бұрын

    I loved this overview, and it's fairly well reflective of many of my own opinions.
    Have you stumbled across Welsh composer Paul Corfield Godfrey? He's composed five epic vocal works based on The Silmarillion that I might describe as oratorios. Four have been commercially released by Prima Face Records as "demo" recordings, and I believe a release of the fifth is in the works. I'd love a video or a few in review of them.

  • Adam Cauble
    Adam Cauble Ай бұрын +2

    Bruh the stranger is Gandalf, they stole his direct quote from Lotr. His whole season 1 arc is shoehorning in why he's so friendly with the hobbins in Lotr (I do like that part). He's going to travel east and meet the blue wizards, who will probably not be cast by white actors, and that's cool. It'll be a cool magical training montage with Gandalf getting taught magic by Alatar & Pallando.

  • gregraj
    gregraj Ай бұрын

    You nailed it! 👏🏻 Funnily enough, when I saw that your review was over 1 hour long, I thought, "Jeebus, there's no way I can get through this!" 1:13:07 later, I thought, "Where did the time fly?!" 😉 Thanks for your insights and very balanced commentary. 👍🏻

  • Bubblehulk
    Bubblehulk Ай бұрын +2

    Big agree on the stabbing scene and the extreme violence. (I did like Halbrand’s violent scene though) there’s really no place for that in Tolkien.
    Annatar should have been in it and the tension would have been amazing for book readers and would have been a mystery for new folks. They could have dropped hints along the way and still had it be a mystery. Galadriel could have been sent away because she was suspicious of Annatar. Maybe she works with Elrond behind the scenes to try and uncover the secret, but fails before it’s too late.
    Skip the weird sorceress ladies that can light fires with their minds….imagine if Sauron had found them first? He woulda won.
    I did like the idea of a somewhat sympathetic Sauron- or at least a Sauron like Thanos who is totally evil and crazy, but you can ALMOST understand what he’s going for….but the whole “you bind me to the light” thing?
    H being S definitely made that scene hit harder where he apologizes for Galadriel’s brother’s death. He must have always subconsciously felt guilty about it though, so he branded him with the symbol that would uncover his secret plan to put a sword in a thing and make Mordor. Yikes.

  • John Powers
    John Powers Ай бұрын +1

    Im surprised how much you’re reactions echoes my own. Especially in light of the mystery boxes. Thanks for doing the leg work.

  • Jacob Opstad
    Jacob Opstad 2 ай бұрын +235

    When Adar talks about the orcs having their own realm, I really started to root for them.

    • Jacob Opstad
      Jacob Opstad Ай бұрын

      @Faladrin Hm, interesting take. I hadn't thought of it that way

    • Daniel Segledi
      Daniel Segledi 2 ай бұрын

      @WarlordofBritannia great reference to the old movie 👍

    • Wiktor Utracki
      Wiktor Utracki 2 ай бұрын

      Yeah. Orcs are like Jews.

    • OthelloSilvermoon
      OthelloSilvermoon 2 ай бұрын

      @Pop_aristocraT Yeah Morgoth was set up to fail Illuvatar always knew he gonna turn against him and did nothing to stop it, mostly because he needed to turn for middle earth to even be made in the first place but still >< Had to be a better way then to let the guy fall, also I feel bad for Sauron in a way because Morgoth kinda trick him as well saying he was gonna create or more orderly world which is want he wanted, but Morgoth just wanted everything to burn

  • Jason G
    Jason G Ай бұрын

    I watched this again this morning and I think you did a great job both as a big fan and trying to see it is it’s own story, and your take is fair and very smart.

  • Bovito_TheCasualGymGuy
    Bovito_TheCasualGymGuy Ай бұрын

    I love this review, it's so accurate.
    For me, the scenes with few people in cities/town/villages seems to be ridiculous. We want more people in normally crowded areas. Also like you said, the creation of the ring was a flop.
    I loved the Durin/Elrond scenes as well and the Orcs/Adar story.
    They really have to step up in terms of writing, speeches and also add more people in scenes.

  • VPSantiago
    VPSantiago Ай бұрын +1

    Different things worked for different people I think! I liked the angry Galadriel, that seems in keeping with a survivor of the wars of the first age might be like. I don't have much attachment to the character to Galadriel from the third age, so this was just like a depiction of an up and coming firebrand as opposed to the stodgy lords who are in charge. This is very much similar to the heroes/anti-heroes in many other shows that start off with a chip on their shoulder. I don't need her growth to be over in Season 1. probably would have been ok if they made this Galadriel be Celebrian or some other younger elf tbh, but I turn off my lore brain and liked this character the most out of the cast.
    Elrond was fine, but I don't like how he spent most of his time manipulating the good faith help of his friend Durin, who by the end of the season had lost his title over his help for Elrond and got nothing in return. I felt that Durin and Disa carried that friendship and Elrond was just using them. It did not sit well with me.
    I agree more scenes of Galadriel saving Elrond would have helped the characterization at the end. I think the series should have been 10 or 12 episodes.
    Also I like morally ambiguous Sauron. I don't think he needed to be straight up evil when that's not what's in the 2 sentences about him in the actual appendices!

  • LordFolgers
    LordFolgers 24 күн бұрын

    Thanks for the thoughtful review, man. I also needed a few months away from series to see how I really felt about it. At the beginning, since everyone was unfairly and overwhelmingly negative about series, I found myself defending it and enjoying most of it, with expectation that revealing Sauron would be a surprise, and they would nail forging of rings. But when they fumbled ending and was so anticlimactic, rest of flaws really stood out. I still have faith they can make reverse abs make good next season…but definitely worried creators bit of more than they can chew. It’s a difficult job doing what they had to do in only 8 episodes, imagine if they had 12 to flesh it out like Andor…but they need to do better. Some of their ideas I like, and I have hope but that ending really left me feeling sour about it. But still excited to see more.

  • Archaea Zero
    Archaea Zero Ай бұрын +7

    A very thoughtful video! I agree with pretty much everything you said. To be honest I liked the show but I look at it as more of a fan fiction of Tolkien than a true adaptation, makes it much much more palatable to me haha. I am excited to see where they bring season 2 and can't wait for your future reviews and follow up videos on the show!

  • Jaymie Berry
    Jaymie Berry 2 ай бұрын +234

    With the point about book fans being ahead of the episodes, I find that so silly because as a manga reader, it is an absolute JOY when our books are accurately made into ANIME. It is brought to life with voices, colors, music, and we can SEE the fights and powers (if they have any). I think an accurate adaptation would be the highest compliment. Transitioning to anime, when they are produced with the same art style or an even better one, all we want is the same story just in movement. I can't begin to explain the anticipation that comes from waiting to see a fantastic arc come to life with animation.

    • Bookywooky
      Bookywooky Ай бұрын +1

      @Normis Except for the fact that we have no idea how mithril was made. Adding a little back story is not a problem. Those of us that know Tolkien lore know the difference. For those that don't, it's just a fun little addition that adds to the story. As for mithril and it's part of saving the elves, it's also an interesting way to bring about a story between the elves and dwarves, and the mining of mithril.

    • Normis
      Normis Ай бұрын

      @Bookywooky well, definitely the magic mithril is borderline sacrilege, but nothing else tbh

    • Bookywooky
      Bookywooky Ай бұрын

      @Normis Nooooo, I'm asking you what you think is sacrilege in the show. Just answer the simple question.

    • Normis
      Normis Ай бұрын

      @Bookywooky it depends on how much of a purist you are

    • Bookywooky
      Bookywooky Ай бұрын

      @Normis what deviations are sacrilege, then?

  • Minh P
    Minh P Ай бұрын +1

    Good review, I feel the same way
    There was a lot that I enjoyed and didn't enjoy in this series, but to say that it was overall bad or the way it's been dismissed has been bothering me quite a bit. My hope is that the show only goes up from there, because I do feel like the show has a lot to offer with a bit more effort in writing

  • Nick McG
    Nick McG Ай бұрын

    I sure hope the show runners take this review into account for the next seasons! There is still time to save the series.

  • Bram McConnell
    Bram McConnell Ай бұрын

    Great video. I think it is a fair review. It goes to show how bad writing can unbalance the scales on a show with real good moments. There is only so much a talented actor on a terrific set can add to a bad line. The "they took our jobs" scene I think hammers home that point.