had to watch it three times to grasp the meaning, actually it makes very much sense and it's a huge improvement compared to traditional management consulting tools. thanks for explaining so well!
I paused regularly and took notes. Made perfect sense at the end :) I don't know why this isn't taught in grade school. this is a must have life skill for everyone.
This is so great. Making us a tool to be more effective at understanding the dynamics of nature. And how those dynamics relate to our world of interactions. Then in the long term we can turn our attention to the things we are trying to optimise for.
I am very interested in seeing some more on the topic, Very nice presentation. Dave has lost at least 20 kgs since and is allot more lively in his presentations. I'm under the suspicion this sensemaking framework concept applies inwards as well as outward.
Dave, I think that you are right on, and to find you again after so many years after IBM to discover that your observations are aligned with my work is very encouraging. Thanks again for a great KM World keynote presentation... the best one I have seen in all my years with KM.
@LDRCoach Yes, absolutely correct. It also explains ESIC or Extreme sensitivity to Initial Conditions. According to this framework, we have seen and experienced how Chaos or Edge of Chaos is managed by act-sense and respond strategy which explains the lockdowns in extreme conditions.
@Amitava Mitra I think COVID-19 is a good case study for the Complex domain. Think of all of the patterns we can now recognize in terms of viral spread and our responses. Initially, we probed with many different responses. Now, we understand that wearing two masks, social distancing, and handwashing are extremely effective in minimizing the spread.
Let me try. Simple - Example: Cooking - where you put the same ingredient same process, you get the same outcome. Yes, I know, despite all the drama in a Reality TV show, that's how it is. In other words system with closed boundaries. Another example you have some input and that produces some output where the input has a direct correlation to the output. This is pretty much the cause and effect or linear world that we like to control with Best Practices. Complicated - Rocket or Shuttle mission, where multidisciplinary topics or subjects are put to test in a controlled environment and well, if you got experts, right conditions, you are there to see the desired outcome. In fact, our evolving understanding turns to experts, scientists for what we refer to as good practice that we arrive with our experience, sensing then analysis to provide a response. Complex - This is where life, nature, the universe becomes more exciting and interesting. I have seen one example during my Masters in this domain, which I liked, so you have to excuse me for my preference here. They say, bringing up a child is a complex dimension. Consider this, you can provide exactly the same input, education, environment, and even genetics i.e. nature and nurture, yet you might get completely different outcomes. This is where emergent practices appear, which is why leaders who are successful, generally probe, and make a sense out of it before they respond. We can say, this domain creates most of our hindsight as in life which can be lived forward but can be understood backward :). Ok, that was a bit of cliche. Lots of research and work has been done in this area on CAS or Complex Adaptive Systems which aims to understand the complexity and the agents, environments, and their relationships. The economy is a good example of a Complex domain. Chaos - I guess very easy to understand if you consider movies like Dantes Peak - Volcanic Eruption, or a Blast / Explosion, War, Wildfire etc.etc. You manage the situation by first acting :), which for me is to running away from it and then sensing to provide a response. A Social Crisis, Covid-19 are good examples, don't you think? I mentioned the word Universe because we are leading towards chaos where Entropy is ever rising, given that understanding the world, our environment would lead to edge of chaos, which means that our understanding of it becomes ever more important. The HBR paper link is here for more scholastic input. hbr.org/2007/11/a-leaders-framework-for-decision-making Take care and be safe and healthy..
The biggest aha moment I had when I went on the course was his description of the relationship between simplistic - complicated and simple - complex. Would love to see that again with new examples.
I would like to suggest a new addition or awaraness or importance of a dysfunctional environment, although the "cliff" would be a good starting point. In my experience the "cliff" is the difference between an irrational vs rational workplace. If a workplace is irrational (a place of myriad cuts/problems) it feels like listening to your favourite song being chopped down to smaller pieces, shuffled, and then played.
This guy is so smart, he is almost bored by his own grand understanding of this. He can't even muster enough effort to explain formally anymore. "basically you'll start to piss people off" lol
Well, the dude is quite rich, doing this almost for fun (although probably paying his daily bills with this bullshit).. so you can kind of understand him..
I'm guessing that these four categories map onto the natural personality trait responses of all mammals, fight, flight, freeze, and flow. Simple = fight, complicated = flight, complex = freeze, and chaotic = flow. Fight type brains tend to respond by trying to control everything. Flight types tend to respond by being overwhelmed and looking for protection (external authority). Freeze types tend to respond by observation, and patience, waiting for a better opportunity to appear. Flow types just go with it, and happily interact in whatever way is effective for the current current. :-)
[5:40] "The danger is if you spend 2 or 3 years of your life in a purely bureaucratic process-based grill, you'll see all problems as a failure of process"
I personally think this is a great overview of a very complicated topic. I’m not sure what some of these other viewers were looking for? And those talking about the videography...I think your attention was on the wrong thing....
I am personally looking to become more effective and reach my goals. Now, the situations that I will face and the challenges I'll have to overcome can be complex, complicated, simple and sometimes chaotic and that's why I seek out this video. There is a lot of incredible knowledge.
Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You Framework is central to Cognitive Edge methods and tools. It allows executives to see things from new viewpoints, assimilate complex concepts, and address real-world problems and opportunities
This framework is relatively difficult to apply or use, it is about communication but is not communicated all that well. It uses words like model, systems theory, and other jargon that makes it sound very intuitive. I could not find any real third party studies showing that it is effective empirically. I would prefer a framework that does not drip with odd sounding jargon. In example the Cynefin framework could be described like other problem solving fameworks. The papyrus font does not help, it is almost as bad as using comic sans. Change the font, remove the jargon, give quality third party sources, and you might have something.
The Oxford Dictionary says: Disorder is a synonym (!) for chaos. So distinguishing between those two does not make really sense to me. Or in other words: the chosen words "chaotic" and "disorder" do not fit the meaning of those areas in the model well, based on the definition of their meaning in English language. "Disorder" here means as far as I understand something like "unknown" or "unspecified".
I'd say you only learn a little on the actual Cynefin Framework from this video, but it is another example of Dave Snowden's generally condescending presentation style. I have just watched a webinar on Cynefin and he still talks as if everyone in the audience were brain dead.
For simple, I'd say baking a cake. I know the resources (inputs) which are needed to bake the cake and I very well know what the output is gonna, which is a cake. For Complicated, consider a vegetable garden. You have good quality soil, you add all fertilizers and suddenly you have a drought. That is not under your control. You may think you'll have a successful garden but you did not see that drought coming your way. Adding one more level of confusion to Complicated will gove us Complex. A good example would be elections. So many factors are considered here. The ruling party loses even after doing good during its tenure. And finally we have Chaos. This is where you have no control or almost little control over things. Floods and other natural disasters are examples of Chaos.
you talk about it .....! but not off it ...! can you make it simple where 6 year old understand it ....! can you get to the essence of it ...Core of it ...!
I'm sorry but this is not sinking in very fast. I fail to find more than an esoteric value in it. Not sure where I would ever benefit from it enough to learn it.
had to watch it three times to grasp the meaning, actually it makes very much sense and it's a huge improvement compared to traditional management consulting tools. thanks for explaining so well!
I paused regularly and took notes. Made perfect sense at the end :) I don't know why this isn't taught in grade school. this is a must have life skill for everyone.
Wagnerdery has an easier explanation if you want to give it a shot
This is so great. Making us a tool to be more effective at understanding the dynamics of nature. And how those dynamics relate to our world of interactions. Then in the long term we can turn our attention to the things we are trying to optimise for.
I am very interested in seeing some more on the topic, Very nice presentation. Dave has lost at least 20 kgs since and is allot more lively in his presentations. I'm under the suspicion this sensemaking framework concept applies inwards as well as outward.
Dave, I think that you are right on, and to find you again after so many years after IBM to discover that your observations are aligned with my work is very encouraging. Thanks again for a great KM World keynote presentation... the best one I have seen in all my years with KM.
Excellent presentation. Very useful for understanding the frontiers among four basic domains in complexity theory.
Absolutely brilliant! Clear and to the point. Very helpful. Thanks again
This is an interesting introduction but would be a hundred times more useful if he used a few simple examples of each.
@Amitava Mitra hello how about a fax machine. That somewhat consistent abd costy but on third time machine sent documents but it had not.
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@LDRCoach Yes, absolutely correct. It also explains ESIC or Extreme sensitivity to Initial Conditions. According to this framework, we have seen and experienced how Chaos or Edge of Chaos is managed by act-sense and respond strategy which explains the lockdowns in extreme conditions.
@Amitava Mitra I think COVID-19 is a good case study for the Complex domain. Think of all of the patterns we can now recognize in terms of viral spread and our responses. Initially, we probed with many different responses. Now, we understand that wearing two masks, social distancing, and handwashing are extremely effective in minimizing the spread.
Let me try.
Simple - Example: Cooking - where you put the same ingredient same process, you get the same outcome. Yes, I know, despite all the drama in a Reality TV show, that's how it is. In other words system with closed boundaries. Another example you have some input and that produces some output where the input has a direct correlation to the output. This is pretty much the cause and effect or linear world that we like to control with Best Practices.
Complicated - Rocket or Shuttle mission, where multidisciplinary topics or subjects are put to test in a controlled environment and well, if you got experts, right conditions, you are there to see the desired outcome. In fact, our evolving understanding turns to experts, scientists for what we refer to as good practice that we arrive with our experience, sensing then analysis to provide a response.
Complex - This is where life, nature, the universe becomes more exciting and interesting. I have seen one example during my Masters in this domain, which I liked, so you have to excuse me for my preference here. They say, bringing up a child is a complex dimension. Consider this, you can provide exactly the same input, education, environment, and even genetics i.e. nature and nurture, yet you might get completely different outcomes. This is where emergent practices appear, which is why leaders who are successful, generally probe, and make a sense out of it before they respond. We can say, this domain creates most of our hindsight as in life which can be lived forward but can be understood backward :). Ok, that was a bit of cliche. Lots of research and work has been done in this area on CAS or Complex Adaptive Systems which aims to understand the complexity and the agents, environments, and their relationships. The economy is a good example of a Complex domain.
Chaos - I guess very easy to understand if you consider movies like Dantes Peak - Volcanic Eruption, or a Blast / Explosion, War, Wildfire etc.etc. You manage the situation by first acting :), which for me is to running away from it and then sensing to provide a response. A Social Crisis, Covid-19 are good examples, don't you think?
I mentioned the word Universe because we are leading towards chaos where Entropy is ever rising, given that understanding the world, our environment would lead to edge of chaos, which means that our understanding of it becomes ever more important.
The HBR paper link is here for more scholastic input.
hbr.org/2007/11/a-leaders-framework-for-decision-making
Take care and be safe and healthy..
The biggest aha moment I had when I went on the course was his description of the relationship between simplistic - complicated and simple - complex. Would love to see that again with new examples.
The Cynefin Framework I see can be applied in many situations and is a fresh approach in our current Covid environment.
Brilliantly presented, clear articulation of principles with key insights
Excellent insight, clearly and authentically articulated.
Beautifully explained. Thank you.
I would like to suggest a new addition or awaraness or importance of a dysfunctional environment, although the "cliff" would be a good starting point. In my experience the "cliff" is the difference between an irrational vs rational workplace. If a workplace is irrational (a place of myriad cuts/problems) it feels like listening to your favourite song being chopped down to smaller pieces, shuffled, and then played.
very good explanation. thank you! helped a lot
This guy is so smart, he is almost bored by his own grand understanding of this. He can't even muster enough effort to explain formally anymore. "basically you'll start to piss people off" lol
Well, the dude is quite rich, doing this almost for fun (although probably paying his daily bills with this bullshit).. so you can kind of understand him..
@Quantum Fine Arts And Fossils What the hell are you talking about? Pretty sure that rant is not Turing complete...
@Michael Andrew a comment of a 7 years I'd say
lol comment of the day
I'm guessing that these four categories map onto the natural personality trait responses of all mammals, fight, flight, freeze, and flow.
Simple = fight, complicated = flight, complex = freeze, and chaotic = flow.
Fight type brains tend to respond by trying to control everything.
Flight types tend to respond by being overwhelmed and looking for protection (external authority).
Freeze types tend to respond by observation, and patience, waiting for a better opportunity to appear.
Flow types just go with it, and happily interact in whatever way is effective for the current current. :-)
That was amazing. Grateful!
quite 'simple' explanation to digest (:
Brilliant. Thanks for posting.
[5:40] "The danger is if you spend 2 or 3 years of your life in a purely bureaucratic process-based grill, you'll see all problems as a failure of process"
I personally think this is a great overview of a very complicated topic. I’m not sure what some of these other viewers were looking for? And those talking about the videography...I think your attention was on the wrong thing....
I am personally looking to become more effective and reach my goals. Now, the situations that I will face and the challenges I'll have to overcome can be complex, complicated, simple and sometimes chaotic and that's why I seek out this video. There is a lot of incredible knowledge.
Love this!!
Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Love how he mixed cause/effect relationships and Windows papyrus font
Apply best practice - good practice - brilliant!
Kevin Cynevin
Holy Moly.
this is some incredibly useful concepts.
I GOTTA learn this.
this guy reminds of The Brain from Pinky And The Brain.
Kids, drop yer socks and listen to Droopy here. You're about to learn Something.
Spot on Mate!!!
great model, thank you
Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You Framework is central to Cognitive Edge methods and tools. It allows executives to see things from new viewpoints, assimilate complex concepts, and address real-world problems and opportunities
Awesome video
This framework is relatively difficult to apply or use, it is about communication but is not communicated all that well. It uses words like model, systems theory, and other jargon that makes it sound very intuitive. I could not find any real third party studies showing that it is effective empirically. I would prefer a framework that does not drip with odd sounding jargon. In example the Cynefin framework could be described like other problem solving fameworks. The papyrus font does not help, it is almost as bad as using comic sans. Change the font, remove the jargon, give quality third party sources, and you might have something.
The Oxford Dictionary says: Disorder is a synonym (!) for chaos. So distinguishing between those two does not make really sense to me. Or in other words: the chosen words "chaotic" and "disorder" do not fit the meaning of those areas in the model well, based on the definition of their meaning in English language. "Disorder" here means as far as I understand something like "unknown" or "unspecified".
I worked at Nokia 2007 to 2014 and lives through and observed a cliff edge event as described here. ;)
Best video on the Cynefin Framework I have seen yet!
Awesome !
my question is: how do you avoid conflating issues of metacognition with informative-narrative of ritualized dissent?
wat
yeah, I can hardly sleep at night...
This is a good video ... for sleep training.
This ties nicely with VUCA.
I'd say you only learn a little on the actual Cynefin Framework from this video, but it is another example of Dave Snowden's generally condescending presentation style. I have just watched a webinar on Cynefin and he still talks as if everyone in the audience were brain dead.
Examples would have given context to the explanation. I get the feeling the guy always considers himself the smartest guy in the room.
The forgotten Einstein of Ireland ! Genius
It’s non linearity! What about abstraction too!
Can you explain what exactly you mean by this question? I'm interested in what you're talking about.
Thank you
Awesome,
This has not been used by governments responding to covid-19.
Kind of like heuristics but different
but can it allow you access to TRAVERSABLE WORMHOLES?
Do you know someone who can do this type of analysis for a problem that has taken years I have several thousand dollars
Explain with examples.
@Feroze Ahmed J Thank you!
For simple, I'd say baking a cake. I know the resources (inputs) which are needed to bake the cake and I very well know what the output is gonna, which is a cake. For Complicated, consider a vegetable garden. You have good quality soil, you add all fertilizers and suddenly you have a drought. That is not under your control. You may think you'll have a successful garden but you did not see that drought coming your way. Adding one more level of confusion to Complicated will gove us Complex. A good example would be elections. So many factors are considered here. The ruling party loses even after doing good during its tenure. And finally we have Chaos. This is where you have no control or almost little control over things. Floods and other natural disasters are examples of Chaos.
Memories
smart
CGSC 2023!
Everything good... But why is the cook telling about it?
Are Cognitive Edge read this discussions? I have some ideas regarding Cynefin framework. Whom can I talking with?
Thank you Teddy. I recognize it already. Happy new year :-)
Ярослав Рашевски Dave Snowden (the originator) is very active on Twitter.
Grüsse an Pablo
you talk about it .....! but not off it ...!
can you make it simple
where 6 year old understand it ....!
can you get to the essence of it ...Core of it ...!
Look for Snowden's birthday party story as one way of explaining more simply or Jennifer Garvey Berger's video about Cynefin..
noen som er her på grunn av PU? super cool
It's just a shiny new spin on the same old D.B.T. training.. I was hopeful but it's all old news ... How disappointed I am .... (;
Grüße an Komus Abi
I'm sorry but this is not sinking in very fast. I fail to find more than an esoteric value in it. Not sure where I would ever benefit from it enough to learn it.
This has helped me immensely in business.
maybe this is very smart, but it is making me feel stupid!!
The deep shadow on the right part of the face is bothering me too much. they should have put a reflector at least! (stupid photography knowledge).
what do you expect when they use papyrus as the typeface for the video....AND THE LOGO
Shout out eagle flight 21-v4
typically academic without the tweedy sportscoat and Prius
this fucking music is too much.