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Forging A Knife From Steel Grindings?? Will it work?? Knifemaking, Blacksmithing, forging

  • Жарияланды 2021 ж. 7 Шіл.

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  • José Rubens Kassai
    José Rubens Kassai  Жыл бұрын +66

    Maybe this could work using traditional Japanese bloomery steel refinement methods? Japanese iron ore was mostly powder and also notoriously shoddy, so they developed a lot of techniques to work with subpar ore. From what you’ve explained here, these shavings have so much scale and impurities in them that they might as well be treated as ore…

    • Daniel Mahon
      Daniel Mahon  Жыл бұрын +2

      yes or wash the shavings in alcohol first and or maby some rust remover and then use a magnetic separation step to sort out the abrasive from the metal then add flux and carbon to a canister that might help

  • MikeDavidBeats
    MikeDavidBeats  Жыл бұрын +19

    I second the crucible steel. Melt it down, skim the impurities and pour an ingot that you can weld a rod onto for working. You would think if you got a pure enough pour for the ingot it should be some really good steel.

  • Joseph Rector
    Joseph Rector  Жыл бұрын +49

    One thing to consider. As you grind the sparks that come off are "glowing" meaning they are approaching an extremely how temp if only for a microsecond. However that extreme temp + rapid cooling could easily be enough so that each particle of grinding dust is essentially covered in a microscopic layer of what amounts to scale. With billions on billions of that easily half of that material is scale.
    One thing that "might" work better but is A TON of effort would be to file/scrape multiple clean steel bars to generate the "dust" minus the heat to prevent scale and minus the water to prevent rust...Might be worth a try and if nothing else you've learned and all that hand filling will be excercise.

    • Nobody_Awsum
      Nobody_Awsum  Жыл бұрын +1

      @terry folds a good lathe would make great quality shavings for this. The shavings plus some powdered steel should do the job, but thats been done 1000x over now.

    • terry folds
      terry folds  Жыл бұрын +1

      Would be easier with a carbide burr, or spinning a piece of metal, in a lathe or however, and manually filing it as it spins.

    • Janion Makes
      Janion Makes  Жыл бұрын +2

      I was thinking the same thing. It's mostly oxide rather than usable steel.

    • Minos027
      Minos027  Жыл бұрын +8

      @Fire Creek Forge Shavings off a band saw (without a coolant) would probably be good for this purpose I would think.

    • Fire Creek Forge
      Fire Creek Forge   Жыл бұрын +6

      good point

  • Roger Barrett
    Roger Barrett  Жыл бұрын +6

    One other thing to consider is that as you are grinding, the slivers of metal that come off are red or orange hot and tiny. They will form an oxide layer on the exterior quickly and the surface to volume ratio, because they are so small, is quite high. You have a lot of essentially forge scale covering each sliver of steel. As other have said before, it might be better to use as a base to make crucible steel. Not that a welded billet can't be done, I believe it to be much harder though.

  • Louis Willemse
    Louis Willemse  Жыл бұрын +4

    So good to see real life video's. Your humility speaks volumes. Thank you for your content.

  • sandwhich1050
    sandwhich1050  Жыл бұрын +3

    As others have said, it's probably due to oxides building up on the shavings. Whatever heat effects happen to the blade during grinding are probably a hundredfold for shavings. Like someone else said, might make a good base for crucible steel. At least then you'd be able to work out any impurities.

  • theDustyJoe
    theDustyJoe  Жыл бұрын

    I think part of the issue might be the particles from the sanding disc coming off into the shavings as well.
    I like the idea of trying the same thing with bandsaw shavings and seeing if there is a difference!

  • Eric Cartrette
    Eric Cartrette  Жыл бұрын +20

    I have a couple hundred pounds of 15N20 saw steel grindings from my years as a saw filer. This video interests me because I wanted to see if a canister weld would work for it. Very soon, I'm going to try to throw some of my dust into a remelter and see if I can work it sort of like bloom steel or tamahagane.

    • [Outsider]
      [Outsider]  Жыл бұрын

      Honestly sounds like a decent idea, the remelter won't have the separation issues as bad like the canister and you'll probably clean a decent half of the material with liquidizing it.

    • Eric Cartrette
      Eric Cartrette  Жыл бұрын

      @Mr Chrysler there certainly has to be some residue from the grinder. In my case, it would be a 36 grit grinding wheel. I think that what you mentioned will go a long way toward helping this succeed.

    • Mr Chrysler
      Mr Chrysler  Жыл бұрын +1

      Crucible or heat a pot of water with Dawn™ in it, then some acetone or similar, then canister it, and use the press to press it, give it a vent hole, and then a second seal.
      It's too dirty.

    • Erik Courtney
      Erik Courtney  Жыл бұрын +2

      It should work fine. I been collecting mine and storing in a sealed container. Essentially it’s steel powder but bigger pieces

    • patrick dean
      patrick dean  Жыл бұрын +2

      i think that will work well a bloom of tamahagne good idea and good luck there are videos that show the formula that works how much metal powder to how much charcol and how often and how long good luck it would be fun to do Something like that

  • Haluk Onal
    Haluk Onal  Жыл бұрын +5

    You can make wootz steel with those. Then, rust won't be a problem. I'm sure interesting patterns will show up if you add pieces of drill bits, files or bearings, too.

  • cae247
    cae247  Жыл бұрын +1

    Itd definitely take awhile to collect but if you could get shavings from metal only hand ground with a file (definitely going to be a long process lol) you might be able to get clean enough material in which to try this forge weld again. Maybe you could take a few small sacrificial bits of a couple of good forge welding steels 1080 15n20 and so on and file them down to dust it could be done. The downside to that is you'll most likely ruin a good file as well as ruin a few bits of steel that could have been used for something else.

  • Phil
    Phil  Жыл бұрын +2

    It was an interesting idea and still great to watch. One idea ive always had is doing canister Damascus, but using high carbon steel for the sides of the canister to see if you could make a billet all in one. Might not be practical at all but it's just something that's intrigued me

    • pizzapizza2424
      pizzapizza2424 7 ай бұрын

      You can forge mild on for the canister so as long as it doesn't decarb too much it should work

    JASPA CB750RR  Жыл бұрын +6

    Try using shavings from a lathe or band saw. Then you won’t have abrasives in there, and the shavings can be soaked in an alcohol to clean them from lubricants and such before hand.

  • Misterrorschach
    Misterrorschach  Жыл бұрын +80

    You should have washed the steel shavings in some type of solvent, then soaked it in rust remover for a bit before washing it one last time. Put it in a vacuum chamber to dry it without oxygen to prevent rust formation. Then you could pack it into a canister using a hydraulic press to remove as much air and excess space as possible.

    • Akuno G
      Akuno G  Жыл бұрын +1

      @Brendan Bush "But like, why? It's a pain"
      that's why we want to see someone else do it :D

    • Rob Doli
      Rob Doli  Жыл бұрын

      @Arkanic but from how far the can squished, there was still quite a bit of air in the shavings. I've seen knife makers put a piece of paper in the can to burn off excess oxygen. That might have helped

    • Brendan Bush
      Brendan Bush  Жыл бұрын

      But like, why? It's a pain

    • Arkanic
      Arkanic  Жыл бұрын +4

      @Misterrorschach You normally don't need flux for canister welding since the canister itself prevents oxidization as long as it stays properly sealed. However this does nothing when you put oxidized material in the canister from the start. This project is completely infeasible unless he cleans and sorts out the material before hand as you mentioned.

    • Misterrorschach
      Misterrorschach  Жыл бұрын +5

      @Lecherous Rex that’s what they call flux. I’m positive he used it. It’s a staple when forging. The reason this didn’t work was because he didn’t clean his piece. He mentioned the sand paper particles contaminating the work. That’s the reason it didn’t weld together. That and the tons of air with the contamination together made it impossible for the shavings to weld together. They just oxidized and the metal that did fuse only fused to metal that was right next to it with the least amount of contamination. I’m positive if he did it again using the method I described or a similar but better method, he would get better results. Such a shame because this is something I search on KZclip for regularly. I’ve been waiting for the day that someone finally does it.

  • Eric Wee
    Eric Wee  Жыл бұрын +1

    Could you try to cast the molten shavings and refine the billet using the tamahagane technique? I think that would make a cool video.

  • Michael Skřepský
    Michael Skřepský  Жыл бұрын

    I was interested if those grinder material particles would make it act like diamond cuttig discs - cut everything, never get dull. But it didn't fuse together. But definitely interesting!

  • Ismael
    Ismael Ай бұрын +1

    Have you tried metal shavings from a brake lathe? Very consistent material. I have a brake lathe and I turn drums and rotors I don't have a forge or press though. I don't know what kinda steel brake rotors are made of but they're pretty tough.

  • Tommy Buck
    Tommy Buck  Жыл бұрын +1

    If I have anymore carbide powder to my company I'd like to send it to you I won't try because I'd definitely screw it up but I love that you experiment and make the wheels in our head turn keep up the good work 👍

  • Armament & Axes  (aviation)
    Armament & Axes (aviation)   Жыл бұрын +73

    Maybe should have used the press to pack the shavings in the canister and not a hammer first then try forge welding? just wondering? was a welder/fabricator for years but never got into forging but always wanted to try it! Metallurgy is a tricky thing!

    • Jay Cee
      Jay Cee  Жыл бұрын +1

      @TheArchitect you nailed it he pretty much cooked a lot of the steel due to the high amount of oxygen in the can. I've only worked with 01 a couple of times and while it's super tough it's also a pain to work with and hard to sharpen and grind. But if you do it right you can come out with a knife that could chop through a Craftsman wrench.

    • Knee Kappa
      Knee Kappa  Жыл бұрын

      You could also try putting wire in with the shavings maybe it will help with bonding?

    • Justin Loskarn
      Justin Loskarn  Жыл бұрын +6

      Given the spongey nature of the shavings, maybe a better way to separate everything is to put it into a food processor, which could help mix the different steels together and get it down to something more powder like and less spongey, and it might help expel rust dust if you open the processor up, let it breathe etc

  • kevin crosby
    kevin crosby  Жыл бұрын +1

    What do you normally do with your grindings? I wonder if it would be worth it to dump a large quantity into a crucible and melt it and pour into a form, then forge it?

  • JathTech
    JathTech  Жыл бұрын +4

    you need carbon to absorb the oxygen in the rust. Load a bunch of charcoal in the ends of the canister to convert that ferric oxide into carbon dioxide. Might work, might not

  • Glen Everett
    Glen Everett  Жыл бұрын +1

    I have seen someone else try to turn his massive piles of grinder shavings into a usable steel. He went with making a basic bloomery and then worked the steel down from there. Amazingly he managed to forge a knife with a reasonable hardness to it, but it was a lot of work. It did have the bonus of being able to forge out a lot of the impurities as he was working the steel bloom.
    I think your idea is worth having another go at, but try using the press to really compact the shavings as you're filling the canister. I was also wondering if you can put some flux into a canister or if that is just something that's not a good idea? Thanks for the video 👍👍

  • Shooting Utah
    Shooting Utah  Жыл бұрын +1

    Yeah I had tons of trouble trying to forge knives with O1 tool steel. I did end up with a couple successful blades that got REALLY nice and hard and seem really tough but the majority of attempts failed because of cracking in one way or another. Plus it just doesn't like to move under the hammer as easily as say 1085 or W1 or W2. The O1 I used (bought on Amazon in a 1" rod) just didn't like to spread out very much. Great for hardening really crappy for forging.

  • Nicholas Eedy
    Nicholas Eedy  Жыл бұрын +2

    Loving these experiment videos.

  • tony hallen
    tony hallen 8 ай бұрын +1

    I think there was too much space inside the grindings. Perhaps compress them with the press before putting them in the canister? Mix them with powdered steel? But I think once you found rust the battle was lost because you can't really get rid of that. If you have a forge that will reach melting point, put it in a crucible and liquify it.

  • Kevin
    Kevin  Жыл бұрын +2

    Cool tip for ya, you can reduce rust with carbon (grilling charcoal) back to iron.

  • Chupacabra2k10
    Chupacabra2k10  Жыл бұрын +1

    There are multiple kinds of oxides of ferrous metals, one that is commonly known as rust (Fe2O) and the others Iron(II) oxide (FeO) for example which is dark black, since the material you grind of often glows out (sparkles) before hitting the ground it is relatively safe to assume a big portion of your gathered material consists of other iron oxides or at least with particles coated in oxide, which would probably ruin any forge welding attempt. "washing" the whole pile with some sort of deoxidizer or rust converter probably yields a better starting material

  • just Gold
    just Gold 8 ай бұрын

    Just curious, could you mix flux in the steel grinds inside the canister to help mitigate the oxides that get mixed in with the good steel?

  • Muzz USMC
    Muzz USMC  Жыл бұрын +1

    I dip my knives in a windex solution instead of straight water. Not sure why it works for preventing rust but it does. Perhaps the ammonia is helping dry the water up faster. There’s probably a lot of grit from your belts stuck in there too.

  • Shaun Bryan
    Shaun Bryan  Жыл бұрын

    How about trying to use different metal shavings from a cnc or lathe? Iv always wondered what something like that would look like.

  • Danny ArrowheadStalker
    Danny ArrowheadStalker  Жыл бұрын +2

    Oh how I love the 01 tool steel. My Dad made handmade knives from that wonderful material. In the past 30 years, they've only needed a few strokes on a steel rod knife sharpener to cut up thousands of deer.

  • Wright Family
    Wright Family  Жыл бұрын +158

    Try making crucible steel, I think that is what it's called.

    • Ian Stedman
      Ian Stedman  Жыл бұрын

      I was also curious why he chose not to pour the shavings into a crucible instead and then cast it into a die

    • Juan Garcia
      Juan Garcia  Жыл бұрын

      Yes Melting it down in a Crucible was something i was thinking about too !

    • DuriensBane
      DuriensBane  Жыл бұрын

      @Bryan Stagg 2 considerations with that, alot of run of the mill crucibles do not get hot enough to full melt steel, non-ferrous metals no problem, but you really really need good concentrated heat to get steel to start to melt. Next, youd have the issue of carbon content, it is very possible that you would have an inferior product by making it completely homonogus, as the carbon content is all over the place, also it is possible that you drop the carbon content so far that it becomes un-useable.

    • TheDeadmandillon
      TheDeadmandillon  Жыл бұрын +3

      Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with you here. A crucible and a blast furnace is definitely going to be the better course of action for steel shavings. At least then once it's all melted down and poured into something like a muffin pan, then you'll have your ingot or two for a future project.

  • AngryDINGUS
    AngryDINGUS  Жыл бұрын +2

    Ok so admittedly I skipped around some, but when I got to the part where you put the other end cap into the canister it caught me off guard. I was like "did he really just hammer those shavings into a solid/shiny steel block?" lmao. Awesome video.

  • Ryan Hagler
    Ryan Hagler  Жыл бұрын +43

    Smelt it! Treat it like magnetite that’s essentially what it is with some trace elements.

    • Pirate Swiggity
      Pirate Swiggity  Жыл бұрын +3

      I’d try mixing some kind of flux into the powder with something that’ll help strip oxygen from the grains during the heating process.

  • Kirk Snyder
    Kirk Snyder  Жыл бұрын +1

    I suggest saving your time, retain the shavings/grinding and melt the it all. It will separate accordingly. You'll have a mass or more than one that could then be combined.

  • Aminul Islam
    Aminul Islam  Жыл бұрын +1

    The whole package is kind of rust(iron oxide). You can't weld them unless you use some reducing agents(kerosene, raw leather, graphite, charcoal etc) in the canister. Eventually you will get some pure iron and low carbon steel. Try 'em.

  • 3am Forge
    3am Forge  Жыл бұрын

    I think part of the issue would be the particles of the grinder belts mixed in with the powdered steel. Running it through a very fine screen strainer first might help to remove some of the impurities like the rust and belt. I would also recommend drilling a tiny hole in the end of the billet and then soaking the it in kerosene.
    I have been able to make a solid billet using only powdered 1084 and powdered 1095 mixed together but it was store bought steel.
    One more thing. When I did that I hand hammered the billet. The forge press might displace the can too much giving the powdered steel too much room to move around.

  • Hard
    Hard  Жыл бұрын +1

    Those chunks made me think of a video about the original method of katana forging, after the quench in water to shatter the metal. Then sperating the harder and softer chunks into two piles. Then forge both into billets, putting the softer one on the interior of a san-my (hot dog) style. if I find the video, I'll link it.

  • neil petersen
    neil petersen  Жыл бұрын +1

    if you made crucible steel out of this, that would be really cool

  • Matias Su
    Matias Su  Жыл бұрын

    I think there's something called powder metallurgy. They press layers of different metal shavings/powder/granules in a mold.

  • Madmartigan
    Madmartigan  Жыл бұрын +1

    Just wondering, if you had used your press to pack the shavings into the canister, could you have gotten it tighter?

  • Johnny B
    Johnny B  Жыл бұрын +2

    your best bet to get something usable from waste metal filings is to combine them with aluminum powder into a thermite mix and light it off and collect the iron.

  • 1000Gbps 1000Gbps
    1000Gbps 1000Gbps  Жыл бұрын

    For particle collector better to use a funnel leading to a 2L bottle with magnet attached to the bottom

  • jerry henderson
    jerry henderson  Жыл бұрын +6

    It it would probably work if you made a kiln out of cement or something and actually melt it the way that they used to make metal from raw materials . Then you could essentially pour it out into a mold , and have an actual block of steel too start with .

  • Bamadan Knives
    Bamadan Knives  Жыл бұрын +1

    I have been wondering about all that steel I have been vacuuming up out of my work area after I get through grinding. Thx for answering!

  • SingingintheDark
    SingingintheDark  Жыл бұрын

    i sat waiting to see if you were going to try to wash the non metal particles out of that or not, i knew soon as you started packing the canister it would be like chalk. you should have cleaned the shavings with evaporust then retrieved them with a magnet to get out all impurities.

  • Paul Bennett
    Paul Bennett  Жыл бұрын +1

    What about melting down the shavings first in an open cauldron and letting any impurities burn off? Pour it into a mold, then try heating that up to forge Temps and forging it from there?

  • Beatle Bomber
    Beatle Bomber  Жыл бұрын +1

    You could try and separate the steel from the belt abrasives by putting a magnet in a plastic bag and then passing it over the steel grindings

  • luderick wong
    luderick wong  Жыл бұрын

    yes, i want to see this long time ago. there are more possibility too. such as...using a piece of magnetized iron as core to line up the shavings. adding different materials such as carbon on different parts to make different hardless. this powder method make it a possible experiment in home shop level.

  • Nick davis
    Nick davis  Жыл бұрын +1

    Hmm might be better in the future too try crucible steel with your grindings it’ll definitely be better at a high end recycling project .

  • Axe Meagain
    Axe Meagain  Жыл бұрын

    I am a tad late to this conv. but, I would advise you Literally melt it down to liquid so you can borax it, and remove impurities. Then you can forge it to which ever shape knife you would like.

  • Steven Gose
    Steven Gose  Жыл бұрын

    If rust and scale are in there, you'll ne reducing agent. That will help convert rust and scale back into iron.
    A solid fuel melting solution (i.e. Bloomery furnace, Tatara, etc.) will be the simplest way to get that reducing atmosphere and a way to help the ceramic/aluminum grit escape the material as it is consolidating.

  • Family On A Mission Go
    Family On A Mission Go  Жыл бұрын +2

    Might be neat to make wootz out of the grindings, it should separate any contamination from rust or abrasives, may make a cool knife as well

    • Torrath7411
      Torrath7411  Жыл бұрын

      That's what I was going to say. I think the whole process of melting, forging, and finishing would make a terrific video. Kinda a circle of knife life thing.

    • Fire Creek Forge
      Fire Creek Forge   Жыл бұрын

      I think it would work

  • Everything is Charlie Foxtrot
    Everything is Charlie Foxtrot  Жыл бұрын +2

    You could save about 3lb worth of the shavings and send it over to the hydrologic press and have it compressed in to a canister then try to forge it. Or just melt what you have down in to a brick.

  • BrewKing2020
    BrewKing2020  Жыл бұрын +1

    Based on the thumbnail I had high hopes it would work until I saw the bits of rust in the pile… Maybe try grinding down some sacrificial pieces without water to avoid/minimize the rust, spread the shavings out in as thin of a layer possible and then run the magnet back over it so you minimize the belt pieces in the shavings? Hell I don’t know, probably an impossible feat but cool idea either way.

  • Misterrorschach
    Misterrorschach  Жыл бұрын

    I’ve searched for this off and on for a while now hoping someone would finally do it.

  • Steven Jennings
    Steven Jennings  Жыл бұрын +1

    Awesome informational educational video experience Y'alls God Bless Ya 🙌🙏

  • tangobravo
    tangobravo  Жыл бұрын +1

    What if you put that whole pile of shavings into a bucket of water, stirred it up and while it was all swirling in the bucket, dip a strong magnet in to try and collect the steel shavings while letting the belt grit settle out? Then, put the metal shavings in a cast iron skillet and heat it so the water burns off, then try packing it and forging it? My guess is the reason for the steel no compressing and solidifying was due to the contamination from the grit

  • Johnnie Kane
    Johnnie Kane  Жыл бұрын +2

    Did that last year after bigdog forge did it . love your bids . keep them coming.

  • Ian Stradian
    Ian Stradian  Жыл бұрын

    Old school forge used grinding remains to make a billet.
    He built a bloomery furnace and cooked the filings down into a bloom.

  • Corianas
    Corianas  Жыл бұрын

    I would have put your shavings pile through a tumbler with some steel balls to allow you to have nothing but a powder with no clumps, allowing for more even packing in your container.
    And as others had mentioned, if there was a way to... de-rust the particles first, it would have helped... but would a flux mixed in be able to offset any released contaminants?

  • Günther Grabowski
    Günther Grabowski  Жыл бұрын +1

    When you start grinding steel, the tiny chips will start to warm up and glow. In this time the steel chips start to build a massiv layer of oxide. So basicly you try to blacksmith 80% Oxide and 20% steel and this gonna not working. Another one here says male crucible steel and this is the only chance for you to turn the oxide back to steel or you made a clay kiln like the people in the early medievil and the people before.

  • Breakaway Books
    Breakaway Books  Жыл бұрын +1

    I've always wondered how those powdered steels remains rust free? Is there a great big desiccant tab in the bottom?

  • Bryan Peeler
    Bryan Peeler  Жыл бұрын +1

    These were contaminated from the get go…. But that being the case the maybe smelting them into ingots? Anyway, cool video and definitely educational

  • Frederic Raymond
    Frederic Raymond  Жыл бұрын

    You might try to run all the material into a ball mill to break all the lump and mix everything together and add some charcoal and borax in the canister. The charcoal would help get ride of oxygen in the mix.

  • joe schneider
    joe schneider  Жыл бұрын

    The whole time I was thinking why didn't he smell this first... I would like to have seen what would happen if you melted that stuff down in a crucible and added a little aluminum, then poured it into a billet mold. I would theorize the aluminum would absorb the oxidization from the steel, would settle on the top of the billet cooling down faster than the steel and cracking and breaking itself off the steel billet. You could try adding other things like nickel, but that would make the steel softer, though after seeing how brittle it was when it came out that might be a good thing. you could try it, I would like to see the shavings smashed into the can in thin layers and then add a nickel plate, add more shavings, smash it in with the press, add another nickel plate, repeat until its full. This might work better with a tub though.

  • Benbaggen
    Benbaggen  Жыл бұрын

    Should of used shavings from a cnc,lathe,9r, drill press. They wouldn't be contaminated from grinding, and most cnc,lathes,and drills use oil so the shavings don't rust as easily

  • Bryson Alden
    Bryson Alden  Жыл бұрын +1

    Thanks for sharing your experiment! Thanks to your video I probably won't try this in my forge.

  • JohnSmith FakeName
    JohnSmith FakeName  Жыл бұрын

    The reason why I think the metal failed to fuse is because you underestimated how much iron oxide is in it. I personally think every speck of metal is coated in a layer of iron oxide and therefore unless you process the metal it will never fuse or forge. Remember when you were grinding the metal, there were sparks, meaning the metal got more than hot enough to rapidly react with the air and coat every particle of shavings with an oxide layer.
    If this is the kind of project you want to try I really suggest using a Crucible furnace to liquefy the iron and get a more uniform piece of steel to help improve your success.
    If you already do not own a crucible furnace it is possible to make one and buying crucibles that can handle 2200F online is possible.
    I have seen a few people try to make bloom steel out of a similar source metal and had more success. Thus I believe a crucible furnace is the best option.
    you might want to add 0.6% carbon and some silicon. The source metal may be low in carbon and the silicon can help de-oxidize the liquid metal.
    Considering the source metal, if you do liquefy the metal in a crucible I would like to see a scientific analysis of what percentage of alloying agents are in the metal.

  • Andre Pienaar
    Andre Pienaar  Жыл бұрын +1

    I'm making some wild suggestions here: Shake the shavings in a sieve to get rid of the abrasive particles, then mix with some oil or diesel to get the rust off and then clean the whole lot with acetone. Some borax could be added to the shavings in the canister to promote welding. Maybe a bit of steel powder can be added too?

    • Andre Pienaar
      Andre Pienaar  Жыл бұрын

      @Paul Bennett that should work!

    • Paul Bennett
      Paul Bennett  Жыл бұрын +1

      What about melting down the shavings first in an open cauldron and letting any impurities burn off? Pour it into a mold, then try heating that up to forge temps and forging it from there?

  • Phroden Dekia
    Phroden Dekia  Жыл бұрын

    I believe it has lots of sandpaper abrasive as well mixed on it.

  • YosinLive
    YosinLive  Жыл бұрын

    what if you made an ingot using a crucible instead of forge welding it. i personally think because they were shavings they were too thin to "weld" together. from personal experience with using a crucible it is a good process to combined steels of different grade along with being able to just add. that and a crucible will burn the rust and forcing it to either float or sink. at that point just making an ingot would be best then working off of that.

  • Azzaka
    Azzaka  Жыл бұрын

    What about mixing all the filings with Flux before adding to the Cannister?

  • tom tritt
    tom tritt  Жыл бұрын +1

    you need to smelt it . it has grinding wheel particulates in it .

  • catching with carter
    catching with carter  Жыл бұрын +1

    I’ve been waiting for someone to do this for years

  • BigBoogieJay
    BigBoogieJay  Жыл бұрын +1

    The only thing I'm questioning is, does the abrasives become magnetic in some way? Wouldn't pouring over a magnet a few times help filter out the abrasives as the metal sticks to the magnet?

    • Aidan McKennon
      Aidan McKennon  Жыл бұрын

      They tend to bind to them and melt a good amount, the best way to get it out is to burn it out in a crucible, it might be possible to use a magnet but it would take so much effort it really wouldn't be worth it.

  • joe schneider
    joe schneider  Жыл бұрын

    I wonder if washing the shaving covered magnets in mineral spirits would have helped remove the non-steel particulate and rust?

  • Logan Bolster
    Logan Bolster  Жыл бұрын

    Try making a bloomery furnace and smelt it. Ive done it with quite surprising results. Btw...get plenty of charcoal. Im talking 100+ lbs cus i went thru 50 lbs in 2 hours which was not long enough of a burn.

  • S. Francis
    S. Francis  Жыл бұрын

    Could you try creating a steel bloom from the grinding first than forging that into a billet?

  • Brandon Eubanks
    Brandon Eubanks  Жыл бұрын +1

    I think it would have worked out better if you had packed it using the press and had forged it flat to begin with.

    NOT SO SLIM JIM  Жыл бұрын

    Sift the shavings, then use a magnet 🧲. That should separate most of the rust out.

  • Matt Hollins
    Matt Hollins  Жыл бұрын +1

    The Shadow Systems hat! Love it. Just got the MR920 Elite not long ago

  • Indoors and Out
    Indoors and Out  Жыл бұрын

    You should have used flux. Borax is good, but gillespie borate is better. You can get it from ceramic supply houses. It will even melt the ceramic impurities. I use gillespie borate to do just that. It can be mixed with ceramic frit and it will make it melt at a low temperature because that's how you make low temp pottery glaze. Will you still have inclusions? Yes. But that's why you have to fold this kind of cannister damascus. I only make thin little rods of recycled damascus. I use it for decoration. There's birds in my forge chimney and I'm busy with other stuff at the moment or I'd make a video on it for you. Also, rust isn't as big a problem as most people think. Big Dog Forge put out a video on faux damascus made from rusty barrel hoops. If you carbonize the rust in a reducing flame, it turns from ochre to magnatite. Magnatite can be welded. You can also reduce the rust to native iron using anaerobic bacteria in a bog by burying it with manure in saturated clay soil. Kind of an odd method, but it works. Takes like 6 months tho. (Can you tell I like to experiment?)

  • Michael J. McCall
    Michael J. McCall  Жыл бұрын

    Could you use them to make crucible steel and forge from that?

  • The Pirate God
    The Pirate God  Жыл бұрын

    Use a much bigger can and fill it then use a press to compress it, fill and repeat until full then press the lid in as far as you can then weld it under tension

  • jason weeks
    jason weeks  Жыл бұрын

    crucible steel or adding stuff to it like you would powder is the way to go. As this has been done before.

  • JoshHefnerX
    JoshHefnerX  Жыл бұрын

    In theory, powdered steel has been used for centuries, in wootz (traditional Damascus) and modern methods of powdered metal (like Chevy engine rods) or mmc for small intricate parts - like for firearms. So it's totally possible. The modern methods are gonna use very clean, systems, atmosphere ect. Old wootz Damascus was basically cast and then forged traditionally, which may be the better low-tech option.

  • Adam Metcalf
    Adam Metcalf  Жыл бұрын

    You should have put it into a bullet blender with a little bit of borax to act as flux to mitigate the inclusions. The used a press to apply consistent pressure. I agree with José Rubens Kassai also.

  • Matthew Dancik
    Matthew Dancik  Жыл бұрын

    What if, instead of trying to forge weld the material in a canister you first put it in a crucible and melted it down to form an ingot, and then forge out the material from that??? ( Woot steel essentially)

  • Scott Langhorst
    Scott Langhorst  Жыл бұрын +4

    You have some skills. I am learning by riding on your shoulders. 👍

    • Fire Creek Forge
      Fire Creek Forge   Жыл бұрын +1

      well you are too kind but thanks for watching!

    • Cat Daddy
      Cat Daddy  Жыл бұрын +3

      This is an awesome compliment!

  • Flying Fenwyn
    Flying Fenwyn  Жыл бұрын +1

    Have you considered making wootz steel?

  • janetweed
    janetweed  Жыл бұрын

    That would make an interesting Damascus pattern

  • Invenções Tugas
    Invenções Tugas  Жыл бұрын +1

    you cant forge it, the particles while grinding oxidize, the only way to use it is to melt it, like crucible steel then forge it. However there are some videos of guys mixing that dust with borax with high levels of sucess.

  • michykeys
    michykeys  Жыл бұрын

    If you tap the canister on the bottom as youre packing it, itll fill better

  • chewy aka Riecke Nicholas
    chewy aka Riecke Nicholas  Жыл бұрын

    What do you think about trying to smelt it all together that should get rid of most of the garbage in the steel i think

  • Dionysus
    Dionysus  Жыл бұрын

    You could put it in a ceramic crucible with a lid and some flux in a charcoal forge.

  • Madmaximus
    Madmaximus  Жыл бұрын

    did u clean and or pour rust remover on the shavings?? getting rid of rust/dirt i think may have given better results? i think maybe u should of also put it in the smelter, melt it all the way back to liquid metal.

  • David
    David  Жыл бұрын

    one suggestion to separate the steel get a powerful magnet covered with some plastic wrap, rust is non magnetic so only steel will stick to it

  • Andrew Neilson
    Andrew Neilson  Жыл бұрын +2

    Finally! So what is the risk of decarb? The sparks are burning steel right?

    • Austin Jutte
      Austin Jutte  Жыл бұрын +1

      Yes, the sparks are definitely burning carbon, however I think this project could have been successful if he had smelted it with either some carbon powder and or something to add carbon and remove oxygen, along with some scrap high carbon steel

  • James Luke
    James Luke  Жыл бұрын +2

    I'm curious if a hydrolic press would have helped somehow in the packing process along with or aside of tamping it.

    • James Luke
      James Luke  Жыл бұрын

      @Daniel Morris I'm referring to pryor to forging. Pryor I only seen the tampling method to pack the container. My simple suggestion was to a higher pressure prepacking under a potention hydrolic press.

    • Daniel Morris
      Daniel Morris  Жыл бұрын +1

      He used a press.

  • dishmanw
    dishmanw  Жыл бұрын

    "Forged in Fire" had a competition where they had to use steel shavings for forge a knife.