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The Problems With Obi-Wan Kenobi (& Star Wars!)

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  • ShortFatOtaku
    ShortFatOtaku  7 ай бұрын +347

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    • MastemaJack
      MastemaJack 2 ай бұрын

      What happened with the prequel Star Wars movies reminds me more of how Rome went from a republic to an empire.

    • The Tyro of Toriyama
      The Tyro of Toriyama 2 ай бұрын

      It's important that Superman showed up cos in regards to MOS (even tho I quite like it) I gotta say that identity crisis is just as trivial to me as identity politics... That stuff is SOOOO surface-level when it comes to philosophy.... If we hated liberals just cos they are liberals then we'd be kinda unfair, so no I don't hate them for being who they are, it's what they do (or don't) that annoys me...
      Like "Oh no! Me stwong! They weak!! Sqwaure peg... wound howlle..." great... Can we get back to Batman, Spider-Man (edit) or THE PROPER SUPERMAN.... those guys aren't so amazed by their own existence that they spend the whole story simping for themselves...
      The point I'm making is that indentity should not be your personality, personality should shape your identity... I was thinking to myself (about myself) that it's not who I am, it's what I do that defines me. People don't give a crap who we think we are.... It doesn't make a difference anyway. Turn away from the mirror and you'll see the world and not yourself... Invest it in.. and not yourself!

    • Ryan Yeah
      Ryan Yeah 2 ай бұрын

      "give me money for rambling to a 2 hour powerpoint" hahahaha stay on the griiiind

  • Sun Wukong
    Sun Wukong 7 ай бұрын +56

    It always gets me how people rag n the "I hate sand" line as being clunky, but then always ask how Vader never found Luke on Tatooine.
    Vader was a slave on Tatooine. His mother died on Tatooine. His first massacre was on Tatooine. He hates his past as Anakin and want's to distance himself from that life, fully subsuming himself in a new identity.
    Aside from having to wear a complex full-body breathing apparatus, which probably won't do well with sand anyway, he would never want to set foot on that planet again unless he absolutely had to. Vader's not popping in on the old Lars homestead to reminisce with his brother in law about how Shmi got tortured to death by desert tribes or discuss the latest podrace.

    • TheSahio
      TheSahio 13 күн бұрын +7

      And if you look at the OT - he always is on point : he does on Hoth and Endor, he went to Malachor in Rebels, later wherever Ahsoka's ship crashed in Clone Wars, in EU/Legends, went to Kashyyyk, etc.
      The only place he never went - prior to Disney - is Tatooine.

    • RMW
      RMW 7 ай бұрын +4

      straight facts

  • Mona Mia
    Mona Mia 7 ай бұрын +284

    "She's as important as he is"
    he says while Leia living on a lush green planet as a princess and Luke is living on a desert as a farmboy.

    • Imperium Americanum
      Imperium Americanum 10 күн бұрын +2

      When was that determined? The heredity of force powers was set up the moment Obi-Wan started telling Luke about his father and the force. And while we prefer to ignore midiclorians when it can be helped they do imply a hereditary aspect to the force, since they’re biological in nature.

    • doclager420
      doclager420 Ай бұрын +3

      @Imapotato also they would have tested the babies as soon as they were born for their mediclorine count, so they would have known before the babies were sent away that they were both very force sensitive.

    • Elsa Cristina
      Elsa Cristina 2 ай бұрын +14

      But that was the reason Luke is a sensitive and care person, unlike Leia. It is because living in a horrible place like Tatooine, that made Luke attached easily to people. And that is why he was devastated when Obi Wan died, and he is the one that saw good in Darth Vader and tried to redeem him. And it is thanks to him that the Rebellion had their first big win against the Empire, something that they couldn't do while Leia was there. So actually, Luke is more important than Leia actually.

    • Mona Mia
      Mona Mia 2 ай бұрын +4

      @Imapotato I thought it's assumed that they believe these children are the prophecy since Anakin didn't work out.

    • Imapotato
      Imapotato 2 ай бұрын +7

      But why are either important? From a lore standpoint, the force is not hereditary, so why would they automatically assume either had force powers, much less high levels? Especially after the chosen one prophecy was presumed to be false?

  • Josiah Fugal
    Josiah Fugal 7 ай бұрын +77

    Sorry, but any time a gigacorp uses the term "family" to describe their thralls, it sends shivers down my spine. What a complete disconnect from reality.

    • Rubi Doo
      Rubi Doo 7 сағат бұрын

      Sad thing is, if you watch old documentaries or speak to old employees, they thought Lucasfilm was like their family. Because it was a small, independent company. They were known in the industry for working in a very tight knit manner, and it's a shame.

    • Mattblaster237
      Mattblaster237 12 күн бұрын

      1:48:08 1:52:43

    • genocidal triumph
      genocidal triumph  Ай бұрын +7

      dystopian vibes for sure. the evil corporation trying really hard to make you believe they aren't totally soulless.

  • Torva
    Torva 7 ай бұрын +350

    I didn't even watch the show, but the moment someone mentioned Reva was a thing, I immediately predicted her backstory without ever watching it.

    • SKIPPY
      SKIPPY Ай бұрын

      @Shane H. Disney chill

    • Friendly Reaper
      Friendly Reaper Ай бұрын +1

      @Meloncholiac an example of a perfect Disney consumer lol. We heave people like him to thank for the current state of star wars.

    • Chris Geyer
      Chris Geyer 2 ай бұрын +2

      @Shane H. she survived a lightsaber stab by Darth Vader as a child. That's utterly stupid.
      The lack of respect the show later shows to getting stabbed by a lightsaber makes that even more stupid.

    • Imapotato
      Imapotato 2 ай бұрын

      @FrozenRose The tragic thing is it COULD have worked with some good writing. No stab by Vader but instead, she hides and has a power that she didn't know about that she can disconnect from the Force easier than most and it happened when she hid and was terrified. Then she sees the horror of her dead friends...and being a child turns to anger. SDhe gets caught later, they feel her anger and make her an inquisitor which could have been explained with a few lines of dialogue between characters. Instead they wanted all the male characters to be rubbish and her and Leia to be shining beacons of goodness and strength that it fell like a House of cards.

    • Imapotato
      Imapotato 2 ай бұрын

      @Shane H. except it wasn't. It came close but that was just due to an easy plot line of youngling seeks revenge for Order 66 which they ripped from the Star Wars game Fallen order

  • Youtube User
    Youtube User 7 ай бұрын +54

    At least with Force Unleashed, if I recall correctly, the Devs basically said that they were just making a game that went nuts with force powers because it sounded fun.

    • Benjamin Henderson
      Benjamin Henderson 2 ай бұрын

      Jacky138 yeah the force wasn't crazy in the OT cause of the time it was made. Pulling and holding ships as been done in other newer shows before Kenobi.

    • MachineMan1992
      MachineMan1992 3 ай бұрын +13

      "This is complete fanfiction, and I don't care," -Based Force Unleashed Dev.

    • Keith Filibeck
      Keith Filibeck 7 ай бұрын +4

      it is absolutely possible to be that strong in the force, just because the movies don't have the insane over the top force users go all out, means nothing

  • Atomic Hedgehog
    Atomic Hedgehog 7 ай бұрын +308

    To be fair, never underestimate the age-old phenomenon of 'not my job'. Ask anyone in the military, they'll tell you plenty of stories of stupid shit happening because some random console-jocky didn't take any initiative, or some grunt at an outpost wasn't thinking. Granted, in the Empire you would think these people would be executed on the spot for incompetence. Captain Needa comes to mind.

    • Daniel Broome
      Daniel Broome 2 ай бұрын

      The Super Star Destroyer Executor was....particularly upwardly mobile for advancement compared to other navy postings in starwars lol. It was known to the point where ambitious naval officers would try to get assigned to Executor and risk death to get fast advancement to higher ranks before jumping off the ship at the first opportunity.

    • Obunni
      Obunni 2 ай бұрын

      I feel like that’s a poor writing excuse though. This isn’t real life, it’s fiction. If military complacency ever plays a part in a story, as long as it isn’t used as a crutch to support bad writing, that’s acceptable. Set up and payoff.
      For example: a scene where the high ranking officer is about to shoot and kill the hero. He aims, pulls the trigger - the gun jams. Some hero takes the grief moment to shoot and kill the officer.
      Bad reasoning for this: it just happens for no reason. What a neat coincidence!
      Better reasoning: it is set up that the soldiers at this officer’s post have been slacking more and more in the upkeep of procedure, routine and maintenance of their weapons. You see hints of how lazy and casual things have become there as the climax approaches. Maybe the high ranking officer knows and doesn’t care, or maybe just transferred to the post and has been trying to fix things. In the end, however, the laziness of his men, and possibly that of himself, gets him killed.

    • Nasmr
      Nasmr 7 ай бұрын +2

      “Not my job” happens all the fucking time in the army…for inconsequential things.
      This is basically like trying to get into the camp that houses the SAS, you would have waaaaaay more keen people who like to stick their nose into getting involved

    • David
      David 7 ай бұрын +1

      Flip side of that is the "yeah this isn't our job but let's get involved anyway" troop. I mean fellow trooper got wiped out... officer suspiciously alive? That sets the "there fucknuterty about" alarm of in any enlisted folks

    • Logan M
      Logan M 7 ай бұрын

      OP is right

  • hutek
    hutek 7 ай бұрын +780

    Do the disney people not realize that trying to take down a criticism of their work will make them look far worse than said criticism? Genuinely curious

    • magnawaves
      magnawaves Ай бұрын

      You say that as though people don't forget about things five minutes after it happens. They. Do. Not. Care. People forget so fast, why WOULDN'T they just throw their weight around? They'll still slurp the slop.

    • Sir Azazel of Lowkey
      Sir Azazel of Lowkey 7 ай бұрын

      @Deadeye Duncan Automatically taken down? You mean someone deliberately put that quarry into the code to have it 'automatically' do that?
      Not sure how that is not the same thing, but worse.

  • Corvidae
    Corvidae 7 ай бұрын +215

    Moses was a diversity hire. Nearly everytime she talks about her presence on the show she talks about how much diversity she brings. It's not racist to point that out, just a statement of fact. If that's not what she wants to be known for she shouldn't highlight it.

    • magnawaves
      magnawaves Ай бұрын

      @Obunni be careful there lady, this is the internet in 2023. Common sense does not exist here lol

    • Corvidae
      Corvidae Ай бұрын +2

      @VMohdude - 1: I'm also black. Nice trying to pull the racist card.
      2: She literally says she's there for diversity and she mentions her race in many of her interviews
      " 'Obi-Wan is going to bring the most diversity I think we’ve ever seen in the galaxy before,' says Ingram. 'To me, it’s long overdue. If you’ve got talking droids and aliens, but no people of colour, it doesn’t make any sense."
      3: The majority of criticism towards her is based on her acting and the character's writing. Not her race.

  • Adeste Fideles
    Adeste Fideles 7 ай бұрын +12

    The Obi Wan Kenobi Show Limitations can be summarized as, "Things happen but it actually cannot be important in any form, otherwise it ruins the canon." Thrilling.

  • John Doe
    John Doe 7 ай бұрын +185

    21:05 Fun fact, back before Disney took over, there were a series of books published called The Essential Guide to Star Wars. Now these are real old, predating the prequels and even the updated series, The New Essential Guide to Star Wars, was released as Revenge of the Sith was in the works, some predating it and others coming after it. One of these old books detailed Drone Barges, automated cargo ships with no crew and only the most rudimentary of programming. To quote the book, "Since organic beings never serve aboard drones, the vessels lack crew quarters, comfort amenities, and life-support systems. Their cramped hallways carry only the few gulps of planetary atmosphere that happen to find their way inside during freight loading, which aren't nearly enough to sustain stowaways during weeks-long voyages. Only the suicidally desperate hitch rides on drone barges."
    So yeah, Obi-Wan and Leia's way off planet would sooner kill them than provide them with safe passage. Moreover, it shows another problem with Disney Star Wars. Hyperspace, while faster than light, is not instant. While it is often used as a "get me out of here" button narratively, in universe it is more complicated than that. It still takes time to go from one planet to another. And another fun fact, not all hyperdrives are made equal. Some hyperdrives like those on military craft are quite fast, with the Acclimator-class of Attack of the Clones being especially fast for its role. Others, especially criminal, are modified to be even faster but also rather fickle, like the Millennium Falcon. And others are rather slow, preferring affordability and reliability over speed. Cargo transport would absolutely be in that third category, which means that the Empire would have capital ships with faster hyperdrives be able to arrive at the transport's destination before the transport arrives, meaning that if Obi-Wan and Leia survive the lack of life support in an automated cargo transport, they'll exit to find a battalion of stormtroopers ready to gun them down.

    • John Doe
      John Doe 2 ай бұрын +6

      @Ashan Bhatoa "Listen carefully. The entire city's locked down. It's done. You need another exit. It's a cargo port. *It's fully automated*. They won't be looking for you there. Go to transport eight."
      Fully automated suggests that the transports are also automated. In fact, it'd be a bit of a hole if it were otherwise as Reva could have had an organic pilot delay launch. But with nobody to intimidate, a drone transport would just follow its schedule. And with no crew, there's also nobody that will check the cargo and find Obi-Wan and Leia and potentially report them to the Empire.
      And as for the reference books, Disney has not made any replacements. Unless it is strictly a Legends item that can't exist concurrently with Disney's canon like E-Wings, the Eclipse, basically any new vessel made by the New Republic or Imperial Remnant, I'll assume that the information provided also applies to Disney canon unless stated otherwise. This would include vessels in the Original Trilogy, as well as any vessel that can reasonably exist within Disney canon, like drone barges of any kind or the personal starships of various bounty hunters.
      And even excluding outside sources, this is something that an average viewer can assume logically about how an automated cargo ship would operate. Rudimentary programming to get from point A to point B with no regard for comfort or even life support because an automated cargo transport wouldn't expect to have organic life on board. The only thing an average viewer may not get are that different hyperdrives operate at different speeds. But the Empire would still be able to obtain the transport's schedule easily and have a battalion of stormtroopers prepared at the destination, especially since there is already an Imperial presence there.

    • Ashan Bhatoa
      Ashan Bhatoa 2 ай бұрын

      These reference books are non-canonical.
      In addition, in which set of dialogue is it established that Obi-Wan and Leia were stowaways on a drone barge?

    • High Lord Starkiller
      High Lord Starkiller 2 ай бұрын +3

      the nav computer also need time to triangulate a good angle to go to lightspeed too, wouldnt want to go to light speed straight into a sun or a planet after all

    • GoldenWolf115
      GoldenWolf115 7 ай бұрын +13

      @TheHalogen131 too bad Disney's writers don't.

    • TheHalogen131
      TheHalogen131 7 ай бұрын +12

      Man, that's cool! I love in-universe stuff like this!

  • Blackberry Dreams
    Blackberry Dreams 7 ай бұрын +11

    Watching the interviews with the Star Wars fans in the 80's reveals a change in the character of human beings. You could be yourself comfortably and express yourself naturally.

  • BungoBoy
    BungoBoy 7 ай бұрын +102

    Super appreciative of this video. Too often Star Wars criticism gets lumped into "Anti-SJW Clickbait BS" and dismissed as fanboy rage, but this accurately reflects my, and I'm sure everyone here's feelings in an intelligent and thoughtful way. It's sad to see what this franchise and many others have become, being molded into skinsuits of what was once great.

    • ChazzyBoi_777
      ChazzyBoi_777 16 күн бұрын

      Frankly there's absolutely nothing wrong with "Anti-SJW" stuff. At all. Ever.

    • StrangeCreed
      StrangeCreed 7 ай бұрын +1

      Yeah, at this point, it doesn't help. All it does is give them cheap ammunition for disregarding legitimate criticism.

  • Galo
    Galo 7 ай бұрын +244

    Dev, if ya can ever bring yerself to do it, please make more videos like this. This was amazing.

      BUZZKILL 7 ай бұрын +5

      @reuploadify I don’t think pigeonholing any creator into making content at a specific length is a good idea. Constraints can increase creativity, however when it comes to analytical videos like these should be as long or short as they need to be.

    • reuploadify
      reuploadify 7 ай бұрын

      No he should just focus on making shorter videos.

    • Ulaznar
      Ulaznar 7 ай бұрын +8

      But having to watch another show like that five times seems like a fate worse than death to me

  • Digital Apple
    Digital Apple 7 ай бұрын +13

    Dev going into more depth on Disney’s failure of Star Wars makes me miss George Lucas and his amazing talent even more.

  • Jessica Berry
    Jessica Berry 7 ай бұрын +24

    13:20 in, SFO you say Luke fulfilled the prophecy but George literally states that Anakin is the one to destroy the Sith. He couldn't have done it without Luke, but it was still Anakin in the end who defeated the Sith.

    • Passing Rando
      Passing Rando 10 күн бұрын

      ​@Mark Mayfield popular fanon, but wrong according to Lucas himself. The Dark Side _is_ the imbalance in the Force, because Star Wars mythology is based on Eastern philosophy.

    • Mark Mayfield
      Mark Mayfield Ай бұрын

      The Jedi's thoughts about the balance of the Force was in error. They believed that having Sith made the Force out of balance. On the contrary, there were far more Jedi than the small handful of Sith. Order 66, and Anakin's sacking of the Jedi Temple, and hunt of the remaining Jedi; leaving only a small handful of Jedi, balanced the Force. So, as Darth Vader, he did what the prophecy dictated.

    • Xplora213
      Xplora213 7 ай бұрын +1

      Another crucial and key thing that Disney ruined??

  • Joel Salyer
    Joel Salyer 7 ай бұрын +193

    To be honest the EU (pre Disney) which is actually what kept the brand alive was always much more interesting than the movies. The books especially were Fantastic and developed awesome original characters such as Jaina, mara, karde, and saba just to name a few.
    The rich tapestry was just shit all over by Disney and the talentless hacks for a decade now and I just do not fucking care anymore. Watching disney star wars sucks and is painful. Seeing such a legendary characters from the pre Disney era like Thrawn being used by Disney because they can't make their own good villians feels like kicking a dead body.

    • Tardar Sauce
      Tardar Sauce Ай бұрын

      I also think the EU is oftentimes more interesting than the movies. The novels especially. I find myself enjoying the Rtos novelization immensely more than most of the actual film

    • MachineMan1992
      MachineMan1992 3 ай бұрын +2

      @daroaminggnome I remember someone, maybe Lucas himself, saying the EU was like a buffet: you keep what you like, and if you don't like something, that's fine. The universe is big enough it can be ignored.

    • Based Autism
      Based Autism 7 ай бұрын +11

      Honestly it’s easy to look at the old eu with rose colored glasses. Time makes the shit fade away and we’re left with the best of it all. Disney has just only had misses compared to the old eu’s hit and misses

    • daroaminggnome
      daroaminggnome 7 ай бұрын +17

      EU was very, very much a spray & pray affair. A lot of it was certainly better than the Disney era stuff but that's a low bar to pass. There were a thousand ways Disney could have made some good shit without having to ape already existing content, though any amount of humility towards their predecessors would have gone a long way.
      That robot chicken skit of George Lucas getting upset and slapping an adult swim writer for daring to bring up Mara Jade to him is to this day one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

    • Jason the Otaku
      Jason the Otaku 7 ай бұрын +9

      Oh and you had things like Kotor as well

  • EntropyDenied
    EntropyDenied 7 ай бұрын +7

    In regards to Luke's name, maybe when the OT was written they didn't think people would assume there is only one family in the galaxy with the same last name...

    • Amoren Cinteroph
      Amoren Cinteroph 7 ай бұрын +4

      I think in the EU they go with the idea that Skywalker is an incredibly common name, at least around Tattooine, basically something along the lines of Doe.
      So if you found some poor child who wasn't old enough to speak and adopt you might give him the lady name Skywalker, or if you were a slave with no family name you might take it. Etc.
      Kinda like Solo in... Solo. 8D

  • Acid Pain
    Acid Pain 7 ай бұрын +78

    The obvious answer to how Vader never detected Leia’s Force potential was cause it wasn’t planned for her to be Luke’s sister till later but I think I’m universe she was so unconnected from the force that her potential sort of faded into the background to become undetectable

    • Obunni
      Obunni 2 ай бұрын +1

      But, what about the super force sensitive babies in Clone Wars and Rebels? Unless Bail knew of force suppression lessons to teach Leia without tipping her off about being force sensitive.

    • Fookin Koont
      Fookin Koont 6 ай бұрын +3

      Until a certain director decided Leia Poppins should be a thing

    • Blake Reeves
      Blake Reeves 7 ай бұрын +12

      @The Profesionalist I mean you are forgetting that up to that point Anakin and Palps think Padme and her baby died. The baby secretly surviving is not the first thing that pops into one’s mind. It is not like there are not other force sensitive children out in the galaxy. For all Vader knows in ANH Luke is just another highly force sensitive kid.

    • Jaer Nihiltheus
      Jaer Nihiltheus 7 ай бұрын +11

      I think it's the same reason qui-gon and obi wan didn't sense anakin as a kid IIRC. The only reason they suspected was because he was talking about pod racing, which is something non-force sensitive humans *can't* do.
      So unless someone starts actually using/connecting to the force (even if they don't realize they're doing it) then they don't start showing up on jedi/sith's force radar unless said jedi/sith is actively looking for whether they're force sensitive.
      At least that's my interpretation.

    • The Profesionalist
      The Profesionalist 7 ай бұрын +8

      I mean let's face it...everything past ep. 4 had plot holes. Vader didn't put two and two together until ep. 5 despite sensing Luke's force strong potential in ep. 4 cuz Vader wasn't gonna be revealed to be Anakin until ep. 5.

  • Nouo 15
    Nouo 15 7 ай бұрын +162

    Mauler better be careful, someone’s trying to outlong the long man

    • ChazzyBoi_777
      ChazzyBoi_777 16 күн бұрын

      ​@Pathfinder Savant HEY! I enjoyed Outlast!
      But I do rewatch Mauler's critique of Outlast every few months because it is very satisfying to listen to... Guy's just right.

    • Andrew Ace
      Andrew Ace 6 ай бұрын


    • Amoren Cinteroph
      Amoren Cinteroph 7 ай бұрын +10

      Mauler, looking at the run time of this episode. "You got to pump those numbers up, those are roomie numbers in this field."

    • Ryan
      Ryan 7 ай бұрын +5

      @Pathfinder Savant I have Patrician TV for that. Oblivion 12 hour review? Morrowind was a brisk 9 hours.

    • Pathfinder Savant
      Pathfinder Savant 7 ай бұрын +38

      When Dev makes an over 10 hour long multipart review of a mid-at-best video game, then he can get worried.

  • RorytheRomulan
    RorytheRomulan 7 ай бұрын +11

    Ben: "Look, lightsaber."
    Luke: "Oh, cool! This one's blue!"
    Ben: "Wait, WHAT?"

  • Isaac Kane
    Isaac Kane 7 ай бұрын +128

    The thing I love most about Kenobi is how unabashedly awful the writing is, almost to The Room levels of bad that leads to hilarity.
    Beating a stormtrooper by lightly tapping his helmet, the Leia chase scenes, the blatantly hiding a small child in your coat, Jake Kenobi not killing a mass murderer and thus being responsible for the millions more deaths caused by him, having a stormtrooper get cut in half by a laser-fence but being too afraid to have a lightsaber do it, rebellion lady not knowing how to use a grenade so she can have a heroic sacrifice that does nothing, the dumb robot Leia has especially when it turns "evil", how Reva's backstory and "redemption" is the most generic and cliche thing to ever exist, and just how terrible of an actress Reva is in every. single. scene.
    Sure, it has the usual trappings of Lefty agenda pushing, trying to make the women the bestest evar while making Kenobi as incompetent and weak as possible. They even try giving Aunt Beru a girl-power moment that only ended up showing how fucking stupid she is. Glad she got skeletonized. But even that's managed to be suffocated by the sheer amounts of stupidity in the script.
    And the fact that the usual Disnoid/Lefty shills still try and defend the constant fuck ups shows how much brainrot is going around. It's to the point that Kenobi is another piece of media that you could use to prove that our species is devolving and the collective IQ is dropping at a staggering rate.

    • Samved Iyer
      Samved Iyer 20 күн бұрын +1

      @Ashan Bhatoa Surely you are not that oblivious to modern political trends?

    • Ashan Bhatoa
      Ashan Bhatoa 2 ай бұрын

      Leftist? What?

    • Lolilol534
      Lolilol534 2 ай бұрын

      Why is no one talking about the awful acting of young leia too ? Kid or not how can she be this bad if its her futur job

    • Sig Urther
      Sig Urther 7 ай бұрын +1

      hahah Disnoid, gotta remember that one.

  • ShadowtheRenamon
    ShadowtheRenamon 7 ай бұрын +84

    God what's so frustrating about the Vader fight is that they did it in two different scenes in Rebels so much better. Ashoka breaks open Vader's mask and we get the Vader/Anakin voice and the emotions then we have the two masters having a cool, but also simple fight between Maul and Kenobi.

    • Bloody Simile
      Bloody Simile 7 ай бұрын +3

      I won't call the "duel" between Ben Kenobi vs half dead, crazies, cripple on death door Maul a fight rather putting maul down as a mercy kill.
      If some random crime approch maul and just stab him at that point, I can believe it. And an ending where Maul was just a spent puppet, use up and toss away had die to a random stranger, lay dead and unburied grave is just as fitting end for Darth maul.

    • KoboldEngineering
      KoboldEngineering 7 ай бұрын +18

      Vader's really gotta stop getting his mask cut open when fighting people he knows it's becoming a real hazard for the poor guy

  • shagohad3
    shagohad3 7 ай бұрын +2

    Teal'c is a great example of how to do a redemption arc. Dude doesn't pretend what he did under Apophis magically went away after he face turned. He spends the entire 10 season run of that show trying to make up for the bad things he did and was more then willing to accept execution to give some semblance of justice to the people he harmed.
    One of his best moments is telling someone who just started down the path he took that he'll never forgive himself for what he did and that it'll haunt him forever. Nothing he does will ever make up for it. But despite that, he had a duty to pick himself up and make the universe a better place.

  • SwedishSinologyNerd
    SwedishSinologyNerd 7 ай бұрын +129

    Kinda cool seeing Dev returning to his roots of being a nerd, then combine it with his political-philosophical content. Great video!
    Also, Media Zealot made a fun video a while back (in the halcyon days of '17!) where he kinda made the Empire's incompetence make sense: There's no carrot, only sticks. So you get the worst type of bloated organization where people are only concerned with doing the minimum amount of work to grab their paycheck and will actively ignore any problem that cannot be explicitly linked to them. Obiwan is still a shit show but I can't help but see this exact structural flaw all over the empire in the clips I've seen (not watching the show, I don't hate myself THAT much!).
    Also also, Disney supporting Uighur genocide and Falungong practitioners being raised as cattle for organ harvesting disqualifies them so hard from preaching anything it's not even funny.

    • Marshmallow Vampire
      Marshmallow Vampire 7 ай бұрын

      Yes. All this is right.
      That's why I hate it when people try to apply those same criticisms to things that are better or great. The Prequels altho bad in other aspects, their was at least enough thought that the plot wholes that do exist are at least not to obvious. Like I never thought that if the Empire found the farm that bought the droids that Vader would have to know, so might never know the Lars were involved but I guess it is a good point

    • Tiamat Dlord
      Tiamat Dlord 7 ай бұрын +1

      except when he butchers alot of his analysis out side of thoughts he fails to see it. arch had better review and could see it basically near grifting the video. I get the idea he gets the social movements and grift game but he butchered the Sw unvierse facts despite being a nerd

  • Crow Post
    Crow Post 7 ай бұрын +75

    7:53 Honestly the old Kenobi book was brilliant it explored Obi-Wan's first year on Tatooine and how he adjusted and cleaned up certain aspects of why he looks so much older and why he kept his last name while in hiding.
    Along with some great protagonists and Antagonists. Like the sand people acctually get shown respect as savge brutal creatures while also having their own creed and beliefs... what the Boba Fett show tried and failed to do.
    Honestly its a tremendous shame that disney pretends that the old media doesnt exist when they are so many examples of pure gold

    • Der Rikmeister
      Der Rikmeister 2 ай бұрын +1

      There was a little fleshing out of the Sandpeople in the first KOTOR. I mean, you still slashed most of them, but it was neat to see that there was more to them than just shooty bandits making funny noises.

    • orbo Akin
      orbo Akin 7 ай бұрын +3

      @Joel Salyer Respect to you truckers, friend. Your work is the life-blood of all economies.

    • Noba Fan
      Noba Fan 7 ай бұрын

      @Crow Post thank you.

    • Crow Post
      Crow Post 7 ай бұрын +2

      @Noba Fan Star Wars Kenobi. It would be under legends now.
      Its on audible if thats your thing but obviously tonnes of other places if you prefer pure book form

    • Noba Fan
      Noba Fan 7 ай бұрын +1

      What's the book called? So I can find it.

  • Ryan
    Ryan 7 ай бұрын +23

    Addressing the Libertarian argument, SFO suggests that if Libertarians get their way, those government powers will concentrate anyways and not solve the issue. But the Libertarian small-government solution as to keep those powers out of the hands of governments anyways. it would be like saying, "If State-Police don't shoot shoot criminals, the only entity left to shoot criminals would be to call in the army who would be the only entity left capable of shooting bad guys." A Libertarian would suggest options such as: personal firearm ownership, armed neighborhood watches, and privately contracted security groups. The whole point of Libertarian thinking is to block the concentration of power in the government.

    • Ryan
      Ryan 16 күн бұрын

      @blackosprey local governments can, the most local government is a family unit. If your dad is a tyrant, what do people do? Leave.

    • Ryan
      Ryan 16 күн бұрын

      @ChazzyBoi_777 less-utopian

    • ChazzyBoi_777
      ChazzyBoi_777 16 күн бұрын

      Lolbertarians... Discount anarchists.

    • Revkor
      Revkor Ай бұрын +1

      @blackosprey hence the second amendment

  • Unimpressed Owl
    Unimpressed Owl 7 ай бұрын +2

    This is the most level headed approach to reviewing a modern Disney product I have ever watched. I mean no exaggeration. You had my eyebrow flicking up at so many moments, but you always managed to explain your thoughts in what felt like an unbiased way. It was honestly a breath of fresh air. I applaud you for this video good sir. Genuinely. Good deep dive.

  • Tony The Killa B
    Tony The Killa B 7 ай бұрын +48

    I'm fully convinced all Star Wars projects moving forward should be vetted by people who are IRL versions of Comic Book Man before being released

    • Xplora213
      Xplora213 7 ай бұрын +11

      These people exist. They are called technical specialists. A Marine tells Michael Bay how a SEAL unit actually eats and sleeps and reality informs the art. They don’t just guess. They should have super nerds being consultants who explain the lore elements and why the story is ridiculous.
      At some level, Kylo Ren could want an elimination of the Sith and Jedi. But he’s merely seeking to become the top Sith and wants to bang his apprentice…. Which would be a very different story but maybe believable.
      Technical advisor. Could happen, but it has to make sense.

  • Dawg Barkz
    Dawg Barkz 7 ай бұрын +4

    "...and I just don't want to waste my limited attention caring about a thing they clearly don't care about themselves"
    damn, that has been pretty much my experience with "legacy" media whenever is brought back in any form, and showing blatant signs of... well, all the things you explained here X_x
    awesome vid!

  • wun1gee
    wun1gee 7 ай бұрын +39

    The last episode:
    1) How did Reva get off the planet without a ship?
    2) How did she get to Tatooine before Obi-Wan and the 'rebels' even left the starsystem?
    3) So the Rebel's transport had a broken hyperdrive, but it just so happened to be carrying a hyperdrive-capable shuttle that could've easily fit the +-10 people there and everyone escaped?
    4) A Star Destroyer carries nearly 100 support craft, including over 80 TIEs. Yet not one of these was launched. The entire ship has to follow the transport OR Obi-Wan. Why?
    5) Why didn't the Star Destroyer just run down the transport and tractor beam it? We know that Star Destroyers are very fast at sublight. The Falcon couldn't eve outrun them at sublight...
    6) At the point that Obi-Wan didn't kill Vader, every life Vader takes after that is on Obi-Wan's hands.
    7) Why the fuck was Sheev trying to console Vader instead of using his failure to enflame his hatred, like he's done every single time he's had a 'lesson' for Vader?
    This entire show was a disaster. The last 2 episodes were the most contrived thing I've ever seen in my life. This show needs to be looked back at as an example of what not to do just to make the plot happen...

    • Diego Cazares
      Diego Cazares 2 ай бұрын +1

      If Star Wars fans have to watch a show where almost everything has to be connected and made sense with the movies and other shows then they won’t enjoy shows like Obi-wan. Yea you want the show to be connected and make sense but you can’t have fun watching a show just for having fun or does it have to be connected with everything star wars

    • Der Rikmeister
      Der Rikmeister 2 ай бұрын

      Points 3 and 4 basically, make The Last Jedi an embarrassment. Even more so since, the Millenium Falcon is much bigger than a shuttle, and it jumped out and back multiple times _in the movie._

    • Tarektechmarine
      Tarektechmarine 7 ай бұрын

      Haha, once you've discovered teleportation and time travel then only can these questions be answered.

    • TheHalogen131
      TheHalogen131 7 ай бұрын +1

      Your 6th point reminds me of that Joel point from someone's review of TLoU 2, that after killing the Fireflies every death is on his hands. But this time it's actually true.

  • Southern Gothic
    Southern Gothic 7 ай бұрын +94

    Gundam getting shaded for obsessing over costume details honestly made me giggle snort

    • Fookin Koont
      Fookin Koont 6 ай бұрын +2

      @Flowers yeah people don't realize Dev shouted out Gundam's coverage of Kenobi, it was a friendly jab at Gundam's attention to detail on costumes

    • Flowers
      Flowers 7 ай бұрын +5

      @Joel Salyer i think it was a joke friend

    • Joe Kewl
      Joe Kewl 7 ай бұрын +2

      Honestly his analysis was good but really long. Maybe if he cut that out and put it into a separate video then boom perfect.

    • rberg
      rberg 7 ай бұрын +9

      Gundam is a cosplay costume guy and he apparently used to make them semi-professionally at one point so its reasonable he got nitpicky over that.

    • Joel Salyer
      Joel Salyer 7 ай бұрын +20

      Nah dumb take by dev. Gundam was a costume guy for years it was a totally reasonable observation. Also it represents how little competence and attention to detail the people working on the show had.

  • Gabe Sweetman
    Gabe Sweetman 7 ай бұрын +7

    I realize this is just head-canon, but bear with me: I always interpreted use of the force as an extension of one's own mental and physical prowess. If you're mentally dominant and at peace with yourself, mind tricks are more effective against the mentally weak such as ignorant soldiers who are "just following orders" while more dominant personalities in command positions are resistant to the effect because they are fully cognizant of their goals.
    Similarly, if you're going to lift something, it's only the size of something you yourself can lift under your own power. The exceptions being (actual canon) stuff like Yoda recovering Luke's X-wing from the swamp, however doing so requires intense, unbroken concentration because it's the force equivalent of attaching a series of pulleys and levers to the heavy object being moved, rather than the object itself and relying significantly more on the force to provide that leverage.
    After all, with enough leverage, you can lift a car with your pinky finger.

  • ShyGuyPro
    ShyGuyPro 7 ай бұрын +9

    I would’ve loved it if the show had focused solely on Obi-Wan’s life on Tatooine. We see how bad things are there and the show could’ve been about Obi-Wan regaining his willingness to fight for justice by dealing with a much smaller conflict while trying to keep his identity a secret.
    It would avoid the plot holes that come with much larger stories while also giving you the opportunity for plenty of “iconic” shots, as Tatooine is probably the best developed planet in the Star Wars universe, at least in films and TV.

    • ThreeofaKind
      ThreeofaKind Ай бұрын

      @Amoren Cinteroph A Sharad Hett would have been perfect for the show, I agree

    • Amoren Cinteroph
      Amoren Cinteroph 7 ай бұрын +1

      And again, the EU had a good idea for this. It introduced a rogue Jedi who begins to take control of the Sand People and thus became a threat to Luke - both because of the threat of his empire, and because a force use making a name for himself might lure the Empire to Tatooine and Luke, so Obi-Wan has to deal with it.

    • memespace
      memespace 7 ай бұрын +1

      That was the only way to do it. As a sort of character study. No lightsabers, no starfighters and planet hopping. Just Kenobi trying to survive and come to terms with his new life.

  • Roikka
    Roikka 7 ай бұрын +48

    Luke and Leia were future strategic assets for defeating the Sith. Technically speaking they were equally important, which is why it's strange Kenobi should suddenly rush off to save the one that isn't his charge.

    • Bloody Simile
      Bloody Simile 7 ай бұрын +2

      Leia been kidnapped should be a plot point for that one guy who was in rogue one that they want turn into a tv show about. But still, if want by the empire and was rescue by the rebel, she would likely be throw into a imperial prison on the idea she had rebels tires, wheather it was true or not. Much less be a imperial senator.

  • Joshua Sitcler
    Joshua Sitcler 7 ай бұрын +6

    I remember reading in some star wars book that Vaders TIE fighter had some modification that would allow him to go to hyperspace. But yeah, even in hyperspace, he has time to mull over who could have made the shot

  • Andrew Ryan
    Andrew Ryan 7 ай бұрын +27

    I am completely checked out of the ‘I clapped when I saw it’ goal of modern media. Video games, movies, T.V shows, everything seems to exist SOLELY as a vehicle to reach that ‘Dude, wouldn’t it be so cool to see this THING YOU REMEMBER?!’ moment dreamed of by ex-Tumblr Fanfiction writers.

  • I am Wrong
    I am Wrong 7 ай бұрын +95

    I have to say, this is by far the best video you have done on your channel. You have finally given me the reasons why Star Wars and other properties that I enjoy have turned to shit. Please take a break, you deserve it.

    • Prethoryn Scourge
      Prethoryn Scourge 7 ай бұрын +1

      @Wings of Freedom TLJ was what broke the illusion/spell cast by something having the title "Star Wars". TRoS was their bad attempt to put the mask back on.

    • Riylan Corma
      Riylan Corma 7 ай бұрын +1

      If you like this video, boy do I have a channel for you. Mauler.

    • Wings of Freedom
      Wings of Freedom 7 ай бұрын +1

      @I am Wrong I'm just getting into war hammer Attack on Titan is what got me through the grieving process for star wars. I get people hat episode 9 but half the set up for why it sucked is a direct result of TLJ.

    • I am Wrong
      I am Wrong 7 ай бұрын +3

      @Bailey Pares It is but I really wanted to watch this video and I was hoping Dev would upload it on alt tech sites

    • I am Wrong
      I am Wrong 7 ай бұрын +5

      @Wings of Freedom In some way TLJ had something that you could talk about. But TROSW is what killed the franchise for me. I went to Warhammer but that's slowly being destroyed as well. No thanks to GW. Battle Tech looks interesting but they have problems there as well but I hope for more of a push back. And no I haven't watched Maulers video on TLJ

  • MirrenTheDragonKnight
    MirrenTheDragonKnight 7 ай бұрын +3

    To be fair, Count Dooku also lifted Obi Wan with the force and yeeted him in "Revenge of the Sith".
    And the thing about Leia being a senator is a major plot hole in the series due to the sister thing.
    I remember that Legends had an explaination, though.
    Your analysis, especially near the end, was just great BTW. Even as someone who came from the left and more more toward the right (I would say I am now a liberterian-leaning centrist with lightly left wing views), it really made me think.

  • The Maze Isn't Meant For You

    SFO is such an underappreciated treasure. Keep doing what you do, bruv

  • Social Jihad
    Social Jihad 7 ай бұрын +83

    With regards to Freck, I think using him as a "human" shield is worse than knocking him out

  • Kareem Smith
    Kareem Smith 7 ай бұрын +1

    Lando and Mace are harmless characters. Reva stirred up a entire different set of emotions in the fans. She was aggressive, way more aggressive than Moff Gideon who was a calculating character.

  • jchoneandonly
    jchoneandonly 7 ай бұрын +28

    The bigger shock involving that scene where reeeeva talked about anakin being alive is that she, a lowly inquisitor, knew anything about vader and his origin

  • Little Fox: Tres Truenos
    Little Fox: Tres Truenos 7 ай бұрын +102

    Nice, got to say this was a great analysis of Star Wars and how the third part of the franchise lost the soul that made the original special and how the progressive skin suit is the true culprit behind the decay of modern(well, mainstream) pop culture.

    • Random Duck
      Random Duck 7 ай бұрын

      Legends/EU was in the weird position of canon and not canon.

    • Coco Crisp
      Coco Crisp 7 ай бұрын +3

      @SHAWKLAN 27 yea man I loved all the extended universe stuff as a kid and teen but as I’ve gotten older it all really sours the films for me

    • SHAWKLAN 27
      SHAWKLAN 27 7 ай бұрын +1

      @Coco Crisp very true it's just people being blinded by nostalgia

    • Goku-IsTheBest-Dad
      Goku-IsTheBest-Dad 7 ай бұрын +1

      @Coco Crisp and that's fair, we'll just agree to disagree, and thank you for the conversation. ^_^

    • Coco Crisp
      Coco Crisp 7 ай бұрын +4

      @Goku-IsTheBest-Dad idk man imo Star Wars didn’t need an expanded universe beyond the films and maybe the games, it’s always been a mess. Disney is more heavy handed with their clear messages but it’s no more or less stupid to me than legends ever was

  • Paul von Oberstein
    Paul von Oberstein 7 ай бұрын +8

    I love how literally every minor plot point has to be explained in Star Wars. Stupid boring character gets stabbed in stomach but returns later? Well, it's because he has TWO stomachs, dummy! Didn't you read the 2019 novella "The Tell-Tale Second Stomach: A Star Wars Story"? Edit: Did they really need to explain how Luke got that starship model too?

  • Jerky Murky
    Jerky Murky 2 ай бұрын +2

    Your bit about the redemption ark is called "redemption equals death." I learned about it in my creative writing 101 class... only problem is people who write professionally today typically wouldn't pass the courses i took 15 years ago, because today collage students are treated with kids gloves. Some times the only way a character can redeem themselves after everything they do is to die, typically in a sacrificial manner. Writer today are so emotionally invested in their own creations (characters) that they are incapable of seeing the terrible things they do as terrible, even if they are the villain. And as such, redemption cant equal death because who would want to kill off their self insert Mary sue. Only problem is even Mary Sue, the progenitor of all these shit characters, had the good graces to fucking die at the end of her story. Reeva being seemed as redeemed in any way is nothing short of narcissism on the writers part, no different the writers of Wanda vision thinking "they dont know what you have gone through" somehow absolved Wanda of kidnapping, holding hostage, and torturing an entire fucking town. I swear to Christ people like this would write a story where Hitler redeems himself after the final solution but since he switched to the allies side he gets to retire to an Austrian lake house after the war is over or some goofy shit.

  • addex 123
    addex 123 7 ай бұрын +13

    Dev pointing out how Alderean is all Obi Wan's fault is just pure comedy

  • DANewLegend1
    DANewLegend1 7 ай бұрын +4

    "Im getting older, my time on this planet is running out- all of ours is. And I just don't want to waste my limited attention caring about something they clearly don't care about themselves."
    Too fucking real man. Too fucking real...

  • Compatriot
    Compatriot 7 ай бұрын +28

    Just like most of modern star wars, Obi wan does the same by bastardizing beloved characters by making them incompetent/old sorry shadows of their former selfs in order to build up and make their new characters look good

  • Hollis Sims
    Hollis Sims 7 ай бұрын +46

    Dev won against the copyright claim? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
    Edit: 39:90 Dev, we actually have seen Jedi use darkness for cover before. It was in one of the trailers for Force Unleashed II

    • Space junk
      Space junk 7 ай бұрын +6

      Of course he did. He just counterclaims until the only other option Disney has is to go to court, and generally this does not happen.

  • Daniel Broome
    Daniel Broome 2 ай бұрын +1

    As to the AOTC flashbacks, lightsabers actually do have a power setting you can adjust for training where it will resist another lightsaber but it will merely shock you when it touches you rather than cleaving right through your body. That's how they train with actual lightsabers when they're padawans. It's basically the equivalent of those Japanese training swords from like Kendo. Enough harm to teach you a lesson, not enough to seriously injure.

  • snatchadams69
    snatchadams69 2 ай бұрын +1

    I loved how in The Last Jedi Luke tells Rey that the force isn't just about moving big rocks and then one of last scenes of the film Rey saves the day by moving big rocks then Rey turns to the camera and says Rock on!

  • Fredy_The_Yeti
    Fredy_The_Yeti 7 ай бұрын +29

    To be fair, Gundam makes star wars cosplay armor, so it makes sense that he would care about the small difference relating to it

  • honey
    honey 7 ай бұрын +6

    They teenager that invented Jet is such a character no one would forget the guy if they knew his character, the new writers of Fallout clearly don't know who Myron is
    the whole "forget about when jet was made, get over it" is like telling us fans "forget about how thoughtful the old writers were and how they wrote their chracters" that's why people were mad, it's not about them making mistakes, this is basic lore any given fan would know, the writing staff should always have facts like that in the back of their mind

    • Amoren Cinteroph
      Amoren Cinteroph 7 ай бұрын +1

      There was such an easy lore cop out too. "There was also a drug called Jet before the bomb. The modern Jet may have been based off of the old chemical formula, inspired by some old packaging for it for a name, or a coincidence."
      Or, ya know, just admitting it's a goof and moving on.

  • runnytimtim86 none
    runnytimtim86 none 7 ай бұрын +374

    Gina caranos entire point was not comparing the persecution of jews with hating peoples for political views. I love how you always do this sort of thing when trying to be neutral. Her actual point was that the nazis used propoganda as a means of turning german citizens against the jews by making them easy targets for societal problems, something you even brought up in a previous video, and condemning the modern legacy media for essentially doing the same to anyone the establishment doesn't like, basically saying that people shouldn't do what the nazis did to the jews. Thats my only gripe with the video.

    • DraculaCronqvist
      DraculaCronqvist 25 күн бұрын

      @Drex Carratala Same, he lost me when he seriously claimed that Fascism is Socialism in decay, rather than Capitalism in decay. Clearly somebody who bought into the horseshoe myth way too much.

    • Evan Belisle
      Evan Belisle 2 ай бұрын +1

      @GK the horse medicine people are not my neighbor. You act like theses people don’t give a new reason every week not to trust them. I mean what did she do after getting fired. She got into bed with Ben Shapiro and made a ridiculously shitty movie. She said something stupid on social media and got fired like a lot of us would. I’m glad she got fired.

    • Slender Man 186
      Slender Man 186 2 ай бұрын +4

      @Drex Carratala everything he said regarding the woke crowd and the left was spot on, despite my previous criticism he at least knows his history.

    • Drex Carratala
      Drex Carratala 2 ай бұрын +3

      i was mostly on board with this guy until he started talking about politics. Then he just started spewing reactionary anti-woke shit. Then my interest just died.

  • Vanguardian
    Vanguardian 7 ай бұрын +29

    I can’t believe how sick I am of the Empire Era, without even watching these shows no less. I’ve been done with the movies since 2017 and I’m done with all the shows after BoBF for undoing the ending of season 2 of Mando. Disney has zero good ideas.

    • Random Duck
      Random Duck 7 ай бұрын +2

      It's crazy how much stuff takes place between Episodes 3 and 4 compared to every other gap between Episodes.

    • Flamestoyer Shadowkill
      Flamestoyer Shadowkill 7 ай бұрын

      I want shit like the sith empire not palps mess covered

    • Xplora213
      Xplora213 7 ай бұрын +1

      They’ve had two or three. Lion king, bambi, dumbo… Mickey, Donald and goofy era was pretty generic. The rest are ALL retelling public domain stories.

  • Elusive Mayfly
    Elusive Mayfly 7 ай бұрын +3

    My theory is, the reason people care about plot holes or motivation holes (e.g., WHY is the character doing x, y, z?) is that the internal logic of a story is basically its truth. Humans are very tuned into stories-they embody concepts we often can’t fully understand otherwise. So if a story strikes something in you that you need to be in touch with, and then the foundation of what makes the story work is pulled out from under it, that does matter. Of course there is room for suspending disbelief and for not being obsessive. But it’s disingenuous to write off a story as just “fiction.” Fiction is only good because something about it is real.

    • Shnobby
      Shnobby 22 күн бұрын

      I think the bottom line here is, how invested can someone reasonably be expected to be when established rules of the universe are consistently broken? What's the point of any event on screen if nothing is of consequence?

  • Dutchman's Mine
    Dutchman's Mine 7 ай бұрын +2

    As for the obi wan's robes point regarding the prequels, this problem was already concreted by the original trilogy. Yoda is wearing robes in episode five, and Anakin is wearing them as a force ghost in episode six even in the original footage with Sebastian Shaw.

  • Manpants1980
    Manpants1980 7 ай бұрын +30

    The force pull scene with the ship is to give Ray's powers validity when she does it before blowing it up.

  • Joel Gallup
    Joel Gallup 2 ай бұрын +1

    THIS CONTENT IS AMAZING. You are so committed man, thank you so much for this!!!!!

  • John S
    John S 7 ай бұрын +11

    Fantastic video, it is really sad what has happened to Star Wars, the magic was killed, but that is how the world works sometimes. Mourn and move on, we can move on, and there will be other great films to watch. Have a nice weekend!

    • memespace
      memespace 7 ай бұрын

      What do you mean? There are only 3 Star Wars movies, and they're pretty inspiring and good. I just wish they would have released them on DVD.

  • CThomas (The Beeps) Peasant
    CThomas (The Beeps) Peasant 7 ай бұрын +53

    Frankly the duel between Obi-wan and Maul was far superior in its simplicity

    • Horváth Benedek
      Horváth Benedek 7 ай бұрын +1

      @Grimmlocked Not really. Narratively a wise and cunning person is by definition also mature, unless proven otherwise. If you don't do that, the story falls apart.
      BTW in Episode 1 Obi Wan defeats Maul exactly because he's inexperienced and angry.
      This is the typical Star Wars fanboy excuse.
      Oh, Obi Wan beat Maul, despite being young, immature, and inexperienced? He channeled the dark side! Maul was complacent!
      Oh, Obi Wan defeated old and cunning Maul?
      Well, clearly Maul was filled with rage, and therefore immature.
      Even though this same rage brought Obi Wan the victory earlier.

    • Grimmlocked
      Grimmlocked 7 ай бұрын +5

      @Horváth Benedek sure! You can be all those things and still be an old man who never matured.

    • Horváth Benedek
      Horváth Benedek 7 ай бұрын

      @Grimmlocked except throughout TCW and Rebels he went from a rage filled brute to a cunning master force user and expert manipulator. That's literally his entire arc.

    • Grimmlocked
      Grimmlocked 7 ай бұрын +3

      @Horváth Benedek you missed the point, he FAILED to mature… that’s what the fight was saying

    • Horváth Benedek
      Horváth Benedek 7 ай бұрын

      Hard disagree.
      It's not only underwhelming and unrealistic, but it makes Maul out to be a brash, weary old food, when in reality he has matured as much as Obi Wan.

  • Steven Phelps
    Steven Phelps 2 ай бұрын +1

    I’m glad this ended up delving into the real underlying issues, but I was definitely surprised by it lol. Pleasantly, though. Also, this was extremely comprehensive.

  • Xylrot
    Xylrot 2 ай бұрын

    The "sensing" Luke and Leia thing mostly works since it's very difficult to sense your kids if you neither now about their existence nor do they have proper knowledge of the Force and their connection to it.
    In Kotor 2, the a few party members are Force sensitive, but are generally just more competent people until you start teaching them. The Sith who hunt the Jedi in that game steered clear of them until they joined you, so chances are you need a strong connection to the Force to be sensed.

  • Danny Smith
    Danny Smith 7 ай бұрын +8

    Man, it's almost like restraint is unheard of at Disney. None of this can be salvaged at this pont.

  • Forrest Orange
    Forrest Orange 7 ай бұрын +4

    "It's the goddamn future"....what's wrong with you? "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...." Yeah I know what you mean, but c'mon... Also, Vader is not flying a TIE fighter, it's a TIE advanced, it is faster-than-light capable.

  • Ziplock Creations
    Ziplock Creations 7 ай бұрын +11

    This show had four writers....That includes the producer.
    Let that sink in.

  • Loke
    Loke 7 ай бұрын +29

    90 percent of modern Star Wars is just referencing stuff from the prequels and OT to make up for how shit most of the new stuff is.

    • Brandelwyn
      Brandelwyn 2 ай бұрын +2

      Nostalgia is a hell of a drug

  • Eduardo Souza
    Eduardo Souza 7 ай бұрын +3

    I think katie's cronies thought that "killing off" the grand inquisitor would be a an statement that would be felt by "their wrongthinking enemy" and not the "it's an new level of incompetence contradicting your own lore" that they got.

  • OppoQuinn
    OppoQuinn 7 ай бұрын

    One of your best and most insightful culture videos to date, IMO. Incredibly well done and worth the effort. Thank you!

  • Chris Evans
    Chris Evans 7 ай бұрын +12

    Loving the idea over the movie execution is why I loved the original EU so much. It took that idea and really ran with it in a way the movies didn't/couldn't.

    • Xplora213
      Xplora213 7 ай бұрын +1

      That’s the core of it all. Thanks for the summary. We don’t love the technical elements, we love the idea behind it and that’s timeless. What is the idea behind rose Tico? I don’t know.

  • CoolCats4Summer
    CoolCats4Summer 24 күн бұрын

    I so thoroughly enjoyed that video essay. I got a lot more than I bargained for. But, it was all wonderfully insightful and so well articulated.

  • Wolf Dev
    Wolf Dev 7 ай бұрын +4

    This is one of if not the best video you’ve ever made and I’m glad to see it’s back up on KZclip. I watched it on alt-tech yesterday and it was a great time. I wish I could donate but I have no means of doing so, but hopefully the sentiment shows how much I enjoyed this. Keep up the good work

  • David Mahoney
    David Mahoney 7 ай бұрын +41

    Glad to see this video un-yeeted. I got to watch it when it uploaded and I'm glad everybody who missed it will finally have the opportunity. Deep and excellent take.

    • Arkanrais
      Arkanrais 7 ай бұрын +1

      @Noba Fan bitchute has a 2GB file limit and some shite resolution settings.
      the whole site feels like a 2010 era alternate youtube site, minus the dearth of good content.

    • Noba Fan
      Noba Fan 7 ай бұрын

      I'm glad nothing had to be changed to be allowed on KZclip. The bitchute upload was great, but the website only allows 360p (or 480?).

  • Thinking Devil
    Thinking Devil 7 ай бұрын +2

    Dev made a long! 😃Hanging out with the #EFAP crew seemingly does inspire talented people to make in-depth content on entertainment media! The Long Man must be proud! Awesome vid, by the way! Looking forward to more of this for films, shows or games you have the needed passion for!

  • Chud Bud
    Chud Bud Ай бұрын

    2:08:40 this is such a good scene, and it really develops biggs, wtf, why did they cut this? I know it's a bit long, but it really gives some insight into the average person on an isolated planet out of reach from the empire.

  • BloodShank
    BloodShank 7 ай бұрын +5

    BEST VIDEO SO FAR DEV!!! Great work. This debunks so much from the left when they attach their politics on Star Wars. I was so happy that you mentioned Biggs.
    This will definitely be viewed by many podcasts. I also cannot wait for all the reactions to come in. This is gonna be fun!!!

  • Andrew Kirby
    Andrew Kirby 7 ай бұрын +1

    I'd say that Anakin did bring balance to the force. By wiping out almost all the jedi he put the sith on the same playing field by there being a couple bad guys and a couple good guys, instead of a couple bad guys and an army of good guys.

  • ebola chan is love
    ebola chan is love 7 ай бұрын +2

    I think a plausible defense for vader not extinguishing the second flame or holding the second ship is that with the force being tied to emotions every time he feel's surprised or that someone's pulled a fast one on him it sort of throws him off enough to not be able to do those things.

  • MarceloA.
    MarceloA. 7 ай бұрын +40

    39:36 maybe someone already mentioned this, but this scene seems to be heavily inspired by the Force Unleashed 2 trailer, where Starkiller turns his lightsabers on and off to stealthly kill stormtroopers in a dark room.

  • Shivering Mouse Podcast
    Shivering Mouse Podcast 2 ай бұрын +1

    Having Jason Isaacs may have been an improvement to the show, but I am glad one of my favorite villain actors wasn’t soiled by this

  • CoryTheRaven
    CoryTheRaven 7 ай бұрын

    Made it to the end! Your line about how its soul is gone and has been replaced by an algorithm was, like, so real man. Seriously though, I've been thinking a lot about the nature of fandom and the appeal to novelty as I find myself retreating further and further into past movies and dead franchises. For example, the FIRST franchise and ORIGINAL cinematic universe is the Universal Monsters. And it is DONE. They tried to rip the soul out of them a couple times with Van Helsing and Dracula: Untold and that whole Dark Universe abortion, but it never sticks, thank God. Now the Monsters exist as iconic kitsch and merchandise (3 concurrent toylines right now!), but the franchise itself is exactly 76 films released between 1923 and 1960, with nary a Twitter account to call me a racist. But that is also its limitation. Once you've seen all 76, there's nothing new to look forward to. I am getting in a phase of looking at any movie I haven't seen yet as a "new" film (recently I've been on a big Atomic Age Sci-Fi kick, and finally watching the films of Val Lewton and William Castle), but they're still not new-new films. I wonder how much novelty plays into all this... Everyone wants the shiny new thing, and its hard to let go of the prospect of getting shiny new things in the franchise you've loved.

  • Duncan McOkiner
    Duncan McOkiner 7 ай бұрын +13

    31:00 With regard to using the Force on each other, it CAN be done. But only if you're massively above your opponent, or you've broken their guard. Dooku could do this to Obi-Wan because Dooku's style was a hard counter to his, for example.

    • Duncan McOkiner
      Duncan McOkiner 7 ай бұрын +2

      @Keith Filibeck Mace hypes Obi-Wan up a lot. He does say he's the only one who could defeat Grievous. Overall, Kenobi is the best defensive duellist in the history of Star Wars, Dooku is the best offensive duellist, and Grievous is the best all-round duellist since he knows all but one style of lightsabre combat.

    • Keith Filibeck
      Keith Filibeck 7 ай бұрын +2

      which is funny because Dooku is about the only one who can counter Obi-wan, a Jedi that practically no one in universe hypes up, but is likely, in the end, the greatest duelist to ever live in his own life time and beyond.

  • a b
    a b 7 ай бұрын

    Holy shit! This was epic!! Gonna have to rewatch this at least 2 or 3 more times just to take it all in. Thank you sfo!

  • FinSane
    FinSane 7 ай бұрын +7

    Dev has started walking down the path of LONG. This is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

  • High Speed Tacos
    High Speed Tacos 7 ай бұрын +70

    My take on anyone saying "it's space wizards for kids" argument is that Disney obviously wants you to take their stuff 100 percent seriously. If you're gonna disregard lore and shit because it's for kids then go all out. Give me Metal gear revengence x star wars you fukkin cowards

    • johnmarc1986
      johnmarc1986 2 ай бұрын

      Their point is generally about the silliness that star wars has always had and the lack of logic for the sake of cool. Take the attack on echo base for instance. In a film that establishes tie bombers as a thing, they're really going to send these slow ass walkers to destroy the shield generator, giving the rebels ample time to escape? Send bombers in, destroy the generator, bomb it from space and the whole saga ends there. People would absolutely hate the OT if internet was a thing back then.

    • Khumbo Sharma
      Khumbo Sharma 2 ай бұрын

      @Minespatch walt disney is truly the dark souls of kentaro miura

    • CalzerDan
      CalzerDan 7 ай бұрын +8

      Unironically, though, Raiden suplexing an AT-AT would be the shit...

    • Minespatch
      Minespatch 7 ай бұрын

      Disney doesn't have the depth of Dark Souls or Berserk. I'll stick with those.

    • StrangeCreed
      StrangeCreed 7 ай бұрын +3

      Just add the cutting mechanic to Star Wars Unleashed and you've got it.

  • Fookin Koont
    Fookin Koont 6 ай бұрын +1

    Hey @ShortFatOtaku, you do great work and your energy is alqays palpable. Take care Dev

  • Giglioti
    Giglioti 7 ай бұрын +2

    Incredible work, Dev, one of your best yet

  • PatchPaws
    PatchPaws 7 ай бұрын +1

    Excellent analysis! It was well worth the wait, for sure. Thank you for the effort ❤

  • RorytheRomulan
    RorytheRomulan 7 ай бұрын +1

    I went through a grieving process when Bioware was dying too. For different reasons. Skipping stage 1, the more I thought about the ending to ME3, I progressed to stage 3 when Andromeda was announced, but entered stage 4 as we heard more. I cared a lot about the story of the game and the differences in playthroughs, and when I realized that my care was not rewarded, it all felt like I had wasted valuable time and focus, because the changes in the narrative along with their impact and consistency of the game world are what my passion was founded on, and the foundation just collapsed in front of me. Then I got into DnD and that filled the hole left behind after I ejected that passion, and the amazing thing about pen and paper rpgs is that they can replace your passion for many things, if you find a group of people you can unite with around the hobby. I did, and if I can thank Hudson and Walters for one thing, it is being such total screw-ups in the writing room for ME3. Their mistakes, and their stubborn indignation, propelled me toward the online friendships I have today, and only I have the power to ruin those.

  • Gremblo
    Gremblo 7 ай бұрын +8

    1:43:50 I know this isn't exactly a new phenomenon, but how do these people genuinely go about their day without getting "triggered" or having an "induced panic/PTSD attack". Either these weirdo's are virtue signaling (more likely) or lack basic mental fortitude for such scenes and should stick with G rated movies/shows.

  • Wings of Freedom
    Wings of Freedom 7 ай бұрын +41

    Mauler and crew did the funeral rites for star wars like 5 years ago during TLJ. But on the other hand star wars deserves as many kicks as it gets dead horse or not. Kick away I'm gonna enjoy this.

  • CoolCats4Summer
    CoolCats4Summer 26 күн бұрын

    I agree with basically everything you say here. However, I literally spit my coffee out when you said Kenobi was having dream flashbacks of events he wasn’t even present for! I thought I was the only one who caught and had issues with that! 👏

  • Mishka Marchant
    Mishka Marchant 7 ай бұрын

    This video was just awesome. Loved the content all the way through, thanks for putting time and effort into this video.

  • dragon_slayer2026
    dragon_slayer2026 7 ай бұрын +2

    In Empire Strikes Back, I got the idea between that and a few details of the Expanded Universe (no longer canon, I know, but it's still a cool source to draw ideas from even for modern Star Wars... If they were smart enough to actually try) that the concern over Lando's carbonite freezing system was that it was only designed for cargo and not living things, but that there WERE facilities for carbonite hibernation.

  • mudkatt2003
    mudkatt2003 7 ай бұрын

    epic video, great content as always. may the force be with you

  • The Fine Game of Nil
    The Fine Game of Nil 7 ай бұрын +2

    This was more worth the wait than the Star Wars "revival" was.

  • UM536 Vids
    UM536 Vids 7 ай бұрын +30

    I always read the prophecy of “balance to the force” as ominous foreshadowing, because the Jedi are in charge hunting the sith who are in hiding. Balance likely means a destruction for the good guys but they can’t see it.

    • Ranatosk
      Ranatosk 7 ай бұрын +1

      For me it always meant merging the Jedi and Sith orders back together thus resurrecting the ancient Je’Daii order of old.
      “There is no light or dark, there is only the force.”

    • Queen Bitch KaNoMiko
      Queen Bitch KaNoMiko 7 ай бұрын +11

      The Balance of the Force has always meant the destruction of the Sith, nothing else. The Sith are chaos. They are the ones upsetting the balance of things. What you're espousing is the Disney retcon.

    • Garry Combine
      Garry Combine 7 ай бұрын +5

      @Goku-IsTheBest-Dad this, the light side is Buddhism

    • Goku-IsTheBest-Dad
      Goku-IsTheBest-Dad 7 ай бұрын +16

      Balance in the force was always explained by Lucas, and even within the films that balance in the force is the light side, because dark side force users twist the force to their will, and the dark side corrupts mind and body. The force is a living thing.

    • Kindling King
      Kindling King 7 ай бұрын +3

      Balance of The Force is whole other can of worms

  • Javier Fernández Valls
    Javier Fernández Valls 7 ай бұрын

    Great video Dev. I really think that we think in a similar way in this theme (even we have very different bacgrounds). Great analysis of Kenobi (It really hurt me that the series was that bad) and SW in general. At a personal level I created my own blend of old games, movies and comics of 'what' is Stat Wars and that's what is reflected in my own Star Wars RPG campaign. The canon doesnt matter at all to me, because it's obvious that doesnt matter to them.
    On a side note, I really liked the 'Political Neutrality' point near the end: I currently work in a field very heavily dominated by left wind politics and if you even dare to (publically) object one of their ideas the backlash can destroy a little bussines like mine. It's saddening seeing this field in this state, because 10 years ago it was not like that. We are living strange times indeed.
    TL;DR: Good video Rev

  • Jenna
    Jenna 2 ай бұрын +1

    Man, your political breakdown of historical ideological positions is awesome.