When an airplane crashes or a bridge collapses, there is a 2 year investigation to determine what lead to the catastrophe. The fact that there is not a full out investigation into something that killed 20 million people is beyond unacceptable and is only criminal.
What scared me more about the entire exercise was how the people reacted, they was so close to vacine ID cards, permanent track and trace but worst of all was the mob mentality against un-vacinated people. I remember a women in India who did not want to be vaccinated she was thrown to the ground by a group of people she was screaming and in tears as they held her down and stuck that needle in her arm, the looks on those peoples faces who just left that women on the floor crying while they went after their next victim. People on the whole have shown that they are so easily programmed by the media news turned them into pavlov zombie dogs so quickly intelligence gave way to obey and join the pack rather than becoming victimised named and shamed as a anti vaxxer, society made me more sick than the virus ever did.
@Kathy Stoneburner ever heard of “hyperbole”? Fewer individuals liberties were curtailed than with our existing stoplight laws, in reaction to far more deaths than we had traffic fatalities. It's hard to maintain perspective, though, when your mind jumps to Nazis or revolutions right away.
@Kathy Stoneburner ever hear that saying…something like… “when you hear enough lies you forget how to recognize the truth. Then all you have are stories”. Well…you’re telling stories which you heard other people tell etc. this is s symptom of social media story telling, and a cultural loss of skeptical critical thinking. Stick to facts. And when you do your stories have so many data and causality problems they essentially dissolve into thin air. But you’ll always have your stories. You don’t need facts to tell and retell and even expand upon if that’s your thing. You can share them with everybody who listens, and listen to them make up stories you like right back at you. Then again, away from the warmth of that camp fire mentality… We have numbers on adverse reactions. They aren’t bad at all, statistically, relative to other vaccines (assuming facts matter. Like I said not all of us assume that. And looking at this thread I think it obvious that many of us don’t need facts to believe whatever it’s their pleasure to believe). Recent studies on excess deaths don’t support the vax conspiracies, either…demonstrating that some populations with lower vax rates have higher excess deaths. But like I said you don’t need facts to tell stories so have at it.
The first gut punch for me was seeing the CDC pop up on a Google search saying that the jab was safe for pregnant women. No footnotes or anything. Just flat out bypassing “talk with your doctor,” “possible contraindications” (as in, certain people should avoid it due to diseases, medications, etc.) I never dreamed I’d see the day they bypassed the physician-patient relationship & issued a blanket claim so boldly. I mean that was my gut punch, if you will.
@Geoff Smith Not sure what you're talking about. There's loads of studies the CDC references re pregnancy safety. It's super easy to look up. What are you trying to say?
Oh I wouldn’t say these guys don’t have political narratives, especially Peterson. But taking the time to layout their positions in a spectrum of certainty/uncertainty is great! I just wish they would have this conversation with people who didn’t already have their views. It’s much easier to do it when you’re in agreement and these guys are pretty well synched so they don’t have to answer critical questions.
Thank you so much Dr. Peterson. I have followed your lectures for many years. I am an independent, critical thinker, and grateful for your work and how you have been able to get it out to the masses which has allowed me to review, research, think, and apply.
The last three years did not teach us much about how viruses work and spread. They did however teach us a lot about how governments work, and how tyranny and authoritarianism spreads.
Yes, we have a major problem with authoritarinaism gone rampant. Lately, I've experienced a lot of companies, tech support getting authoritarian with their policies they want to bully me with. Even to terminate a service. No, I'm not going to abide by your policies so, terminate my service which is what I want them to do and they still won't do it. They'd rather sociopathically bully me to death with their policies they want to enforce on me which they have no standing to do. It's crazy.
Thank You two gentlemen for using your platform to educate us I see how much pressure the government is putting on you to silence the truth. You are truly brave and it is worth it.
@jake wilmshurst They explained at great length the spectrum of knowns and unknowns as they saw them, in quite a bit of detail, connected to a fairly well summarized list of evidence. So if your point is that they were trying to be precise, I would agree. But you seem to be suggesting they were being precise about something they were NOT saying, and I see no evidence of that at all. Nor do I see any evidence of anybody at all trying to stop them. Do you? Quite the opposite. What do you believe they wanted to say but didn’t? And what’s that belief based on, as opposed to you just reading into the spaces between their sentences anything you want?
When you think of all those innocent people who died needlessly and the grieving families they left behind, it makes your blood boil. The people responsible for this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of international law.
You too naïve for your own good if you believe there is such thing as international law. Laws don't mean a thing if you don't have the means to enforce them.
I'm so greatful to this conversation! Truth over "Polítical Correctness" should be an ethical path for the building of human knowledge, over all cience...Thank You both!
This should be a 15 second podcast. It’s unfortunate that no one is held accountable for one of the worst acts of worldwide terrorism in the 21st century. I hope people who can dig in to this are paying attention.
@Gary Michael Flanagan and Michael English. Just drop it you two. Arguing about nonsense in the face of this massive crime. A horse is dying and you two are arguing about whether a fly walked up its face or down. You both agree the horse is dying and something has to be done about that.
@Karl with a K Chowderhead? Thanks, I think chowder is delicious, but I never poured it on my head, perhaps now I know the meaning of Karl with a K, not C so you are not called a chowderhead, but you are empowered by yourself to name call. Still trying to understand why people are compelled to comment on something that they know nothing about as if they make up something in their head based on something they didn't even take the time to discover. You can't discover if you don't look or use your senses, unless of course you are Carl and make it up in your head
@Karl with a K Are you the one of the ones he mentioned, that in the last few years, he has had less than a handful of people that he has publicly talked to that weren't civil or thought he was "nonsense"
I appreciated this discussion. Thank you for being aware of personal biases and continuing to discuss these topics. People are not logical. Truth is an abstract biased concept in my opinion (places meaning on facts). Curiosity, and meaning are wonderful. Nihilism is scary.
Jordan Peterson was brilliant in this interview. Specifically when they delved deeper into the spirit of truth and the religious spirit vs totalitarian spirit. Well done, it expressed it in terms I had not heard before that really clarified things for me. Thank you.
I have subscribed to his talks - not because I understand everything he is saying - rather because the emotional sincerity in his talk convinces me to listen to more!
This was an amazing discussion of you two guys. While listening to Jordan's attempt to liken the spirit of religion to that of science, I had to think of Category Theory in mathematics. The attempt to map one object and it's properties of a given domain to another object with similar (but transformed) properties in another domain. Fascinating! I wonder how far one can spin this and where this might lead to. Thank you for sharing this with us!
Dr Montagnier in France said from the beginning that the virus was not of natural origins and when he died, he wasn't paid a single homage by the state. He was utterly ostracized and forgotten for his denial of the BS the state had been telling people. He was a nobel prize winner and a great man. It pains me to this day to see how they treated him.
@Dr. Tyler Durden one time in 2009 in central California a British doctor let everyone go home sick I'm like what happened? sorry for any misspells or mistakes in spelling.
@Dr. Tyler Durden I'm relatively confident that the antiviral medications currently used to prevent AIDS would not be efficacious if the HIV virus was not the causal agent. Not to say that the lab leak hypothesis wasn't being censored, or that the political collusion of major state/international institutions with that censorship wasn't inexcusable, but Montagnier is perhaps not the best example of an unfairly marginalised voice.
And that is a perfect example of quality communication. This killed my remaining little brother in July. And stopped me from saying goodbye. I'm Gutted. Devastated. Above all angry and suspicious. I thank you for pursuing this. It's a modern genocide. R.I.P. bro.
I have been investigating this virus since 2009 long before "it" all started. En vitro and vivo lab research showed 15 specific plants/herbs that had positive effects on these types of mutating envelopped virusses. I talked to several media and shared my story and even rolled into an official investigation. I would love to share my knowlegde with you. Well done Jordan and Matt.
@The Pilgrim 1581 except the last statement... China was the cultural scapegoat... Dr Zhengli " bat woman" looked through her genetic data base at wuhan and said it wasn't one of theirs... The military Olympics was held in the same area only a few klms from the " outbreak " just a couple of weeks prior. Over 10,000 military personnel from countries around the world attended...
It wasn't difficult to conclude that Covid emerged from a lab - considering the woman who was working on it, actually presented her work to her peers in the scientific community prior to the Covid breakout!
@Gwebo Celestron Thankfully there is at least one other person on YT that understands how thinking works. The second I hear the "unsupportable/unproveable resume" or "where they worked" they get shut off. Only fools think any of that means anything.
@Karl with a K I don't even know who the guy is that Jordan is speaking with because I skipped the intro, but when he said he keeps up on virology and reads papers etc... and then said something like he didn't know at what level we're at with genetically engineering viruses or if it was possible (something to that effect), I knew he was no expert. And, I'm probably more expert than he since I've recently read such papers. The appeal to Expert syndrome seriously irritates me too. People need to stop trusting everyone some social media video, or MSM, props up as an expert. Most of the nightmate we've been through is because of I AM SCIENCE expert ANTHONY FAUCI.
@Charles Drengberg At least I didn't rebuke the argument...at all. I never got to the argument as whatever they had to say was invalidated by the CHOICE to have their credentials stated. Once you show you do not care for doing what is right (illustrating some truth), everything you say is invalidated. If you are dishonest to someone once, everything you say has to be evaluated against the dishonesty. No one has time to guess what is true or not true from those that have upfront demonstrated an attempt to persuade by experience, a dishonesty that has zero impact on finding the truth.
@Iridescentsquids I wanted to see Lenin, but likely never will now. :( It's just the way people worship others - a pop musician, an academic - whoever it is - they're treated like a god by their fans.
Whoa now, we got some RUUUUULES around here about them there "idears" you're talking about and we don't take kindly to those so we suggest you stop thinking critically and just let us do the thinking for ya. It's baffling how genuine curiosity and candor are now seen as "threats to democracy". If we can't have a transparent and honest conversation to form a consensus, then we don't have conversations at all and are expected to only follow directives without question. Screw the latter cause that ain't freedom.
The virus was already in Ottawa Ontario in November 2019. My 30 year old daughter was very sick in November 2019, with the virus and doctors did not know about what made her sick. Then later more and more people around her kept getting sick. What is interesting I was around in contact helping my daughter and never got sick. I am a senior citizen. I take vitamin D3 every day. I also use lots of fresh slices of ginger in my Lemon tea, and eat fresh garlic in most of my meals. I am still healthy now, and do not take flu shots. People I know take flu shots they still get very sick including my daughter she gets sick quite often.
My family got in I. December 2019. My wife and son had a cough for 3 months and I was just tired for 3 months. Remember China stopped domestic flights but allowed international flights to leave Wuhan. Ontario has over 1 million Chinese nationals who travel back and forth
I haven't had Covid either and I am convinced it's because I take a strong combine vitamin D3, K2 and Magnesium tablet every day. A cafe I went into regularly where their staff got Covid in Nov before it was all in the press. The staff were all very ill within a month....but I didn't get it and was exposed to them.
A friend in Australia knows a pandemic scientist and she said to her right at the beginning it came from a lab. She thought it was an accident. However, she and other scientists would have known this early on because of the sequencing of the virus.
You're on the right track Jordan and thank you very much. Being human is the practice of consciousness or the lack there of in many cases. I enjoy how you're both expressing beautifully your given practices however there is no one prevailing truth per se but a practice of bringing enlightenment (as you have repeatedly stated that word) to humanity on our little blue marble spinning while traveling through the galaxy and universe. What an amazing thing to imagine if every human being on this earth could for even 3 seconds view the planet from space and all it's glory I doubt they would (along with all the people who have had that opportunity) contemplate who or what created it or how fast it spins in those brief moments. The pursuit of truth, like the existence of love is not stagnant, but form from formlessness. What is real accepted unilaterally. As I've listened intently I suspect you're both given great evolutionary movements and leaps into the betterment of modern society. I love science and I love my faithful practice that is unique to my incarnation. End of the day it's consciousness both in the wonder of my environment knowing what science/technology/society has granted me since birth AND knowing deeply I have an undying spirit that will transcend in some form or fashion that in my current state of being I can only speculate on.....and I'm good with that as it's the science of me that is bonded with my spirit. WE ARE IN the scientific method of our existence together, connected with illusionary distractions deceiving us that we're separate or divided. You two have given me hope and gratitude that the lies are being brought out front and center so we can put into practice transparency along with integrity of staying curious so the enlightenment is shared i.e, we're 40 % genetically the same as a banana & we were created in the likeness of our creator or source. Both are felt, digested and taken in quintessentially. Eureka AND Hallelujah! We will NOT go quietly into that good night!...... PS all viral testing on Mars by robots!!
As soon as you start giving the "credentials and backgrounds" of the hired guests all credibility is lost for their validity. No qualified person would consent to having their pedigree elucidated, no educated person would recognize it as meaningful. JBP is pure nonsense before the video even starts, lol. So we know where you are at.
@Mr. Nobody The currencies have been transferred and we have gone further down the road to totalitarianism. Now we can let the little people have their little talks.
Perhaps now that most folks, at least in the west, have been inoculated with the lucrative drug... The conversation now is acceptable as there is no turning back at this point. At this point, so what, trillions of dollars, and other currencies, have been transferred.
A captivating discussion! The concept of the 'spreading' of indoctrinated thought patterns such as totalitarianism is becoming evident by the politicisation of science. Such a powerful manner of segregating and stultifying scientific discussion by individual perceptions of political ideology applied to the subject matter is one way of impeding the natural free-association nature of thought processes. One could also look to how the contemporary categorisation of almost any topic has moved from a gendered argument to one of bipolar politics: it has a greater potential of limiting the scope of each side's argument to the limited ideologies embraced by the political perspective.
I heard right after the outbreak that it was developed by the usa government and China jointly inaugurated college lab in sc or somewhere southern on the east coast. Then was transferred to China lab where it was ultimately and unknowingly accidentally carried out by a young med student. That story immediately vanished
Thanks for your courage to disclose the nature of Covid 19. I was working for more then 30 yesrs in the field of study of genetic modifacations and their impact on expression of genes. It is possible to conclude with very hight probabilty : modifications of genetic expression related to adaptation of replication of Covid 19 in Humans were done in Hight tech Labs and leak of modified viruses definataly connected with a sanitasion negligence of members of staff infolved in that reseach.
The possibility also exists that it was an intentional release. Even with extensive investigations, we may never know. But without investigations, we will certainly never know.
Much of this information was discussed in real time by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying of the DarkHorse podcast. For those who aren’t familiar with this lovely husband and wife team of biologists and gifted teachers (former professors)… I’d encourage checking them out their work. ❤️
There are exhibited lights of reason in our newly acquired online existence and this gives me hope. Looking up/forward to Dr Peterson and Darkhorse to further my growth.
I believe 75-80% of people with access to the internet watch Tiktok or KZclip shorts all day. They simply do not have the time to watch a video over a minute. Let alone 2 hour video which induces thought and understanding.
Once again Jordan you have taken a very important question/topic and taken it apart in the most fundamental and constructive way and shown me and I am sure many others that there is yes important reasons to know the truth of something but that the manner in which it is obtained is also paramount and how they can all be applied to our own lives and ethics as human beings. I think I'm describing that the way I mean to🤔. I love the way your colleague put it , " the truth is what matters the most it's more important than the consequences" and that is Iwhat am truly learning more and more in my life as the thing that proves itself more than any other. Great show Jordan the lessons you teach on how we can all better live our lives when you discuss matters with any of your guests always blow my mind.
Gentlemen, in a word that discussion was captivating! Thank you so much for nourishing my mind and conviction that seeks the truth, regardless of the discomfort that may arise from its discovery. .
As a Chinese living in Canada for so long , I feel so sorry for the Chinese government ; and sometimes feel ashamed as a Chinese ; the Chinese government should make public statement and announcements regarding the pandemic after all these tragedy and loss of the world. Meanwhile, feeling grateful living in a free and diversified country.
I worked at Elsevier, home of the Lancet… thus I was very persistent in reading the latest materials surrounding COVID. By the end of April I was able to tell this was a fear campaign like we have never seen before. I tried sharing my findings with coworkers & family… ultimately to be be ostracized. This episode was like waking up to the smell and sound of crackling bacon🥓
I have said for many years that "science is the study of creation". I love the point discussed in this video that if humans don't put their faith in a transcendent being, entity, we will put that faith in something else, like a human being or an ideology based on human ideas (re: Communism). I see that it has happened.
I have studied Microbiology my life and after talking to doctors assumed our Government was ready for the next pandemic, wow, was I mislead. Working and creating labs, immediately realized it was a lab leak. My question was, why was it created? A pandemic will happen again, I hope we will be ready.
Matt Ridley, shoving your expose into print despite the obstacles was a Nobel-worthy feat of journalism and a service to mankind. In a better world, your service would be written in the stars!
In early 2020 MR, who I deeply respect, wrote an article dismissing lab leak over natural evolution. That was his contribution at the time when he was needed most. It fell to others to be courageous in the face of ridicule and digital banning.
He is the SECOND person to do this: Look for "What really happened in Wuhan" by Sharri Markson. Australia was sanctioned by China in 2020 for calling for an inquiry into the origins of Covid, Those significant economic sanctions remain to this day. Australians, at the highest level, were on to the Lab in mid 2020. China's response was seen as confirmatory here in Oz. Why the USA remained so far behind is a mystery here in Oz.
The entire episode of the C2019, is best summed up in this way: Evil always places it’s emphasis on creating a group and controlling that group, mostly through fear. Then, this fearful group will gather energy from each other by being in sync with the same mind set( think Holocaust, think pandemic) and attack the smaller group (outsiders) to them. Remember this going forward! This is the true lesson of the pandemic. Stick to your group. Create safe places Gather forces Keep communications clear Fight for survival Stay one step ahead of the larger group Pray
3 bleeding years with no experts getting to the bottom of the Thing that has destroyed so many peoples lives that its incomprehensible! Finally someone who has the intellect and gall to do so! Thank you Dr. Peterson
@Debra Victoria If social distancing worked; you wouldn't need a mask; if the mask worked; you wouldn't need the jab; if the jab worked you wouldn't need a booster; if the booster worked you wouldn't need social distancing and the circle continues ad nauseam
@The Pilgrim 1581 Must be religious truth you're on about. It's certainly not legal or scientific truth. That requires at least a smidgeon of evidence. I'd still love to know who's been publishing your index though. Go on, you can tell me. It can't be a secret. Or can it?
Thank you for this video. You had an in-house ad for audible (which I love audible.being a commuter I have a lot more time with books plus I am more of a listening learner. ) Followed by an in-house ad for your book “Logos and Literacy” well you don’t even know how excited I got over this book! I paused the video and immediately went to audible thinking of course Dr. Jordan will narrate(double excitement) but I typed in the title and sadly no results then I typed in Your name and only one audible book. Not “Logos and Literacy” Is that correct. ?. Please,please dr.j.b.wanquinobe you’re our only hope. Make it an audible ❤
Love this summary: The pursuit of truth should transcend all short term political gain. The West, at it’s best, acts out the claim that the truth will set you free. [We undo this belief at our immense peril when] we are willing to believe that human engineered deceit (like we see in the marriage of totalitarianism and nihilism) is an acceptable alternative. [Scientists especially are at the forefront this movement.] Scientists: when you bend the truth to political purposes, you do so not only at your own great peril as practicing scientist and human beings, but you also re-work the entire structure of the world, and that is an absolute abdication of the opportunities that have been granted to YOU by a society that strived for hundreds of years to give you the privilege of engaging in the pursuit of the truth. Scientists who bend the truth for political gain undo the good it could have done in the world.
Peterson is sooooo snooty.😂 This is an incredibly powerful video that must be seen by all! Extremely impressive interviewer. Matt is a true investigative journalist, a rare thoroughbred in these media times, such important findings, intellectually presented and professionally impartial. This is without doubt the most important video for the public since the outbreak.
At this point, the actual conspiracy theory is that covid came out of bat soup. It's amazing that people are still so resistant to accept what was actually going on in these labs.
@William Hlinovsky as I said. Not interested in your conspiracy theory logic. I watched the entire video, understood it, and was open minded enough for open enquiry point of view. You on the other hand, have it set in stone in your mind, with NO proof. Bye.
@William Hlinovsky Mate, I'm not going to argue with your conspiracy logic. I know better, you act as if whart you argue IS the case and it isn't. Because you have NO proof. Come back when you do.
The universities are churning it out in all disciplines. I first encountered it around 2015 regarding art through a friend's daughter who was a student. When I'd gone through art the idea was, ART IS ART, it aims to find universal truths that transcend space (national boundaries) and time (fickle trends), it MUST NOT aim to be political or it becomes nothing more than POLITICAL PROPAGANDA. But she said, "Oh no, all art is political, and as a member of society artists have a RESPONSIBILITY to BE POLITICAL" to put their views forth to help society. This view is sweeping through ALL disciplines. Nothing is pure anymore. Nothing is exploratory. Everything is just political SALESMANSHIP, people with PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS trying to SELL their notions through using the TOOLS of their disciplines! There is no honest inquiry anymore. They don't undertake their endeavors no matter where it leads. They already KNOW where they want it to lead. It's the glorification of bias, of prejudice, of propaganda, of the happy ending, above all rather than truth.
I worked in the field of dance. I experienced awe in certain performances I was fortunate enough to be cast in. The job 9-5 was hard hard work. Lots of pain. The training years from age 6 were soul destroying. It seemed I was constantly told how technically bad a dancer I was. So much so, that when I won a scholarship to a full time school I couldn’t believe it. I loved my time there. My hard work was rewarded. I began to think maybe I had talent. I got a job in the best company in my country and I loved my life. But the job is all practice practice practice. You have to love that endless work. But the reward is the awe on stage. Not in every dance. Just a few magical creations. It reminded me of the scientific quest for truth. It is outside of the physical world. It is magic for want of a better word. And what is magic, but something created that is not understood, impossible, but appearing before one’s eyes regardless.
Dear professor, I haven’t come to your channel for a while, because my VPN hasn‘t worked very well since last October. I now live in China, in Beijing. I just want to say that I like not only your points of view but also and even more, your way of thinking…and I am also a loyal reader to Dostoevsky. I have few people here to communicate with, which is sad but I fortunately got use to it. I would like to tell you and your audience that in this suffocating country, I still strive to maintain independent thinking, I do my best to get access to forbidden knowledges, I express my views bravely to the others( even if they don’t understand and have no will to do so) and I still believe in truth and justice. Maybe there are not many people like me, but after all, I’m still here. I don‘t think I can awaken others, my people live in misery but still they are grateful for all the government has done and all the lies been told. I am chained, just like everybody else in this country, but I know that deep inside my heart and mind are still free. And I shall never give it up to the totalitarians.
The most brilliant moment was when Ridley say "hang on, are we losing the enlightenment view of science where we were inquiry on its own is good?". The regrettable answer is: YES.
Doctor Petersen the last three years of onslaught has worn you down, but to a base of basalt strength. You look stronger and better than ever, keep up the good fight. No thinking person on the planet believes this crap came from a bat crapping on someone's sandwich.
It should be made illegal to hide or censure any information about the pandemic. It should be made a law that any information related to this public pandemic, be public information.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson, for your persistence in finding truth. You're intelligent conversations with highly-qualified professionals are much appreciated!
As a bioengineering student, I've been saying Occam's razor on the lab leak since day one. After NIH started erasing the paper trail proving they funded the research, that was all the proof we needed. If there wasn't any foul play on the NIH's part, they would have never covered up the paper trail.
@Dawn Nunlee The awkward thing about being labeled a conspiracy theorist, especially in this case, is when the "conspiracy theory" is intuitive, takes one sentence, and is intuitive to explain. But the "truth" takes hours of assumptions, explanations and justifications, while going against any intuition.
I follow you Peter Jordan because you always say the truth, not many people like you now at days. God bless you always and your beautiful family too♥️🙏
51;22 It is good to see that Jordan is happy to be corrected. This attitude is a good attitude to have, because how can one learn if one thinks one knows everything already.
I'm 68 and find it harder and harder to find honest, intelligent, educated people to learn from. I just assumed they would be everywhere but are getting harder to find. Thank you!! I also admire Dr. John Campbell, he is honest and not political (from UK)
I too find Campbell a true scientist. Follows the literature, faithful to science to a point but equally critical but most importantly accepting when he was wrong. His slow drip away from manipulation has been perhaps too slow... but give an honest man time, he is sorting it out. And bully for him to do so!
Agreed. Bret Weinstein is also interesting. Joe Rogan, though he is not an intelectual does have some interesting people on his show and asks some good questions. Mainly critical thought has been subjugated as reading has been replaced by fast scrolling videos. I am 50 so I am in the last generation that can remember life without cellphones
Have you heard of Lex Fridman? He interviews some of the smartest and interesting people on the planet. He is truly a humble and unique human, and the world could benefit from a few more like him.
It’s crazy how joe Rogan gives people platforms and makes people rich, it feels like it was just yesterday that this great intellectual was only known in his Canadian university and thanks to joe rogan he is internationally recognized and respected, keep up the good work Peterson.
The entire school in our area in Central London got it in September 2019. I got it end of November and into December 2019. It was severe. Even very young children got it.
The 1 thing I never heard was the actual suspiciousion of where the break out actually started before becoming an out break .... 2 high rank militants were in the microbiology lab without permission and the 2 ladies who let them into the level 4 section, were id by csis then fired.... unknown sickness going through Canada all in November 2020 then the out break In 2021 and China on the hook but yet any public information on what happened in winnipeg disappeared too
"Wonderful" brings to mind the difference between awe and worship. One child receiving a present may exclaim, "Wow! This is great!" Another may add, "Thanks, Grandma! I love you!"
😢 honestly! Then our politicians who allowed this act like they didn’t have a clue or that it all went away all of a sudden, we’re all supposed to act like it didn’t happen
I wasn't shocked. I was ticked. Covid really woke me up. The bad actors were clearly seen. I learned alot and I'm much more educated now. The only thing that shocked me was half the nation, ( I'm American). And the world covered their eyes and ears and try like crazy to this day. To stay ignorant. Being ignorant of something is ok. Staying that way on purpose is ridiculous. A large group of the human adults decided to act like children and run away from ideas much like children. I've now come to the conclusion that we have a serious problem with people of certain ages being stuck in a younger state of mind.
one time in central California in 2009 a British doctor let everyone go home sick I'm like what happened? sorry for any misspells or mistakes in spelling.
@John Smithers In that case then It is what it is. Then it's now our responsibility to teach these people to thrive in a non prosperous situation. And they won't like it. But the recession and real political craziness. Hasn't even hit yet.
Agree, but I have a little more sympathy for them. If you are clear minded, you realize that we are on a tightrope over an abysss. We know the 80 years of prosperity and freedom thst we have experiemced is coming to the end, and soon. You can't expect that generations of people who have lived in he most soft and comfortable era in human history are psychologically capable of facing this reality.
@Rob Def hmm not all the way. I do see hope it's just a far reach. Its going to take some extra ordinary people. And ordinary people not willing to give in or give up. We know the system their setting up doesn't work it will fail. The question is when. And how much catastrophe will be left in the wake.
OMG 😳 How do these people sleep at night. Thank you Dr. Peterson for sharing all your knowledge. I truly admire your integrity and I wish there are more people like yourself in this world who are willing to do the right thing. No matter how bad and how much they try to cancel you, they will not succeed. May Allah bestow his grace on you and your family and bless you all with perfect health ALWAYS. I pray HE rewards your hard work by protecting your children and grandkids in every step they make 🙏🏼💘
@KK & JJ And give just one example and the data/evidence to support your claim. Peterson is very careful with his words, re-listen if you are genuinely seeking reality
Very good discussion and exploration. However, the motivation of making the virus and who is behind and who benefits of it is very deep. Many thanks to the courage you to shed light to the public. Dr. Yan should be credited as well to expose the truce at very first pandemic start.
I just wanted to add, when they were speaking of Peter Daszak from Eco-Health Alliance and Daszak approaching DARPA to carry out Gain of Function (GoF) and Gain of Threat (GoT) research/experiments (at the suggestion of Anthony Fauci), DARPA TURNED DOWN Peter Daszak, saying such this TYPE of GoF and GoT was TOO DANGEROUS. Daszak then peddled it to the Institute of Virology at Wuhan.
Some of us were ABSOLUTELY able to realise what were lies and what were not right from the get go! Gaslighting has become an art form..and realising who is trying to gaslight is a gut feeling that some of us have!
I don't remember the last time watching a discussion between two men had me this riveted. Most of the time the content I watch ends up being background noise. Not so with Doctor Peterson. Any time I run across him speaking, I can't help but stop and listen.
I have read through some of the papers by the people of Wuhan lab and also by their colleagues and I should say you can find almost every missing link there in these published literature
90% of of the doubt could be removed with a look at the gnome of the virus. The genome of the virus contains anomalies that are highly unlikely to occur in nature.
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When an airplane crashes or a bridge collapses, there is a 2 year investigation to determine what lead to the catastrophe. The fact that there is not a full out investigation into something that killed 20 million people is beyond unacceptable and is only criminal.
@Park Loqi yes because why would I want to start an investigation about my own mistakes
watch Died Suddenly documentary
No@Sanjay Sarkar I have been
What scared me more about the entire exercise was how the people reacted, they was so close to vacine ID cards, permanent track and trace but worst of all was the mob mentality against un-vacinated people. I remember a women in India who did not want to be vaccinated she was thrown to the ground by a group of people she was screaming and in tears as they held her down and stuck that needle in her arm, the looks on those peoples faces who just left that women on the floor crying while they went after their next victim. People on the whole have shown that they are so easily programmed by the media news turned them into pavlov zombie dogs so quickly intelligence gave way to obey and join the pack rather than becoming victimised named and shamed as a anti vaxxer, society made me more sick than the virus ever did.
Did they wear masks while they gave her the shot ?
@Kathy Stoneburner ever heard of “hyperbole”? Fewer individuals liberties were curtailed than with our existing stoplight laws, in reaction to far more deaths than we had traffic fatalities. It's hard to maintain perspective, though, when your mind jumps to Nazis or revolutions right away.
@Kathy Stoneburner ever hear that saying…something like… “when you hear enough lies you forget how to recognize the truth. Then all you have are stories”. Well…you’re telling stories which you heard other people tell etc. this is s symptom of social media story telling, and a cultural loss of skeptical critical thinking. Stick to facts. And when you do your stories have so many data and causality problems they essentially dissolve into thin air. But you’ll always have your stories. You don’t need facts to tell and retell and even expand upon if that’s your thing. You can share them with everybody who listens, and listen to them make up stories you like right back at you. Then again, away from the warmth of that camp fire mentality… We have numbers on adverse reactions. They aren’t bad at all, statistically, relative to other vaccines (assuming facts matter. Like I said not all of us assume that. And looking at this thread I think it obvious that many of us don’t need facts to believe whatever it’s their pleasure to believe). Recent studies on excess deaths don’t support the vax conspiracies, either…demonstrating that some populations with lower vax rates have higher excess deaths. But like I said you don’t need facts to tell stories so have at it.
@Local_Brain_Error // Synaptic_Misfire_Detected BRAVO!!!
@Buck Futter sheeples will be right in line.
The first gut punch for me was seeing the CDC pop up on a Google search saying that the jab was safe for pregnant women. No footnotes or anything. Just flat out bypassing “talk with your doctor,” “possible contraindications” (as in, certain people should avoid it due to diseases, medications, etc.) I never dreamed I’d see the day they bypassed the physician-patient relationship & issued a blanket claim so boldly. I mean that was my gut punch, if you will.
@Geoff Smith Not sure what you're talking about. There's loads of studies the CDC references re pregnancy safety. It's super easy to look up. What are you trying to say?
They never actually completed the study to see if it was safe for pregnant women.
It doesn't matter what side of the political fence you are on, it's the FACTS and TRUTH that we all should be looking for.
we are just normal citizen, impossible to know the truth, may be we will know the "truth " that these politicians want us to know😅
Tear down the fence and solve the problems.
@Torus2X Yes, God is the only real judge of where the truth lies , but we must do our best to find it.
I love hearing actual science and questioning being done. Bravo!
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@Len Welch just Hollywood scraping for conspiracy ideas for their next big dystopian epic.
Oh I wouldn’t say these guys don’t have political narratives, especially Peterson. But taking the time to layout their positions in a spectrum of certainty/uncertainty is great! I just wish they would have this conversation with people who didn’t already have their views. It’s much easier to do it when you’re in agreement and these guys are pretty well synched so they don’t have to answer critical questions.
@Mr. BIG When? Was? That? Exactly?
Thank you so much Dr. Peterson. I have followed your lectures for many years. I am an independent, critical thinker, and grateful for your work and how you have been able to get it out to the masses which has allowed me to review, research, think, and apply.
The last three years did not teach us much about how viruses work and spread.
They did however teach us a lot about how governments work, and how tyranny and authoritarianism spreads.
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Amen!
Yes, we have a major problem with authoritarinaism gone rampant. Lately, I've experienced a lot of companies, tech support getting authoritarian with their policies they want to bully me with. Even to terminate a service. No, I'm not going to abide by your policies so, terminate my service which is what I want them to do and they still won't do it. They'd rather sociopathically bully me to death with their policies they want to enforce on me which they have no standing to do. It's crazy.
Thank You two gentlemen for using your platform to educate us I see how much pressure the government is putting on you to silence the truth. You are truly brave and it is worth it.
@jake wilmshurst They explained at great length the spectrum of knowns and unknowns as they saw them, in quite a bit of detail, connected to a fairly well summarized list of evidence. So if your point is that they were trying to be precise, I would agree. But you seem to be suggesting they were being precise about something they were NOT saying, and I see no evidence of that at all. Nor do I see any evidence of anybody at all trying to stop them. Do you? Quite the opposite. What do you believe they wanted to say but didn’t? And what’s that belief based on, as opposed to you just reading into the spaces between their sentences anything you want?
@Iridescentsquids your missing a lot, they are extremely careful what they say
Thank you, Dr. Peterson for continuing to speak out on the most horrific crime ever ….
Not really but it makes a top 10 list maybe
When you think of all those innocent people who died needlessly and the grieving families they left behind, it makes your blood boil.
The people responsible for this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of international law.
You too naïve for your own good if you believe there is such thing as international law. Laws don't mean a thing if you don't have the means to enforce them.
@Robert Fish yeah sure, than society will surely crumble to hell if that happens
I’m so grateful that we are able to openly discuss the leak theory without it being censored 🙏🏽 The truth cannot be veiled much longer.
@🍅 If you made an assumption that I devalue what I watch, so be it.
@Laura if those links are enough to be an excuse to devalue what you just watched, then so be it.
Except for the propaganda link on everything about this topic. And we say we live in a democratic world…
I completely agree! 👍🏻💖😇
I'm so greatful to this conversation! Truth over "Polítical Correctness" should be an ethical path for the building of human knowledge, over all cience...Thank You both!
This should be a 15 second podcast. It’s unfortunate that no one is held accountable for one of the worst acts of worldwide terrorism in the 21st century. I hope people who can dig in to this are paying attention.
@Manusha BIDEN is responsible
Wait
@Gary Michael Flanagan and Michael English. Just drop it you two. Arguing about nonsense in the face of this massive crime. A horse is dying and you two are arguing about whether a fly walked up its face or down. You both agree the horse is dying and something has to be done about that.
Thank you so much for working so hard to uncover the truth ! The lengths certain people have gone to cover up vital information is appalling .
@Karl with a K Chowderhead? Thanks, I think chowder is delicious, but I never poured it on my head, perhaps now I know the meaning of Karl with a K, not C so you are not called a chowderhead, but you are empowered by yourself to name call. Still trying to understand why people are compelled to comment on something that they know nothing about as if they make up something in their head based on something they didn't even take the time to discover. You can't discover if you don't look or use your senses, unless of course you are Carl and make it up in your head
@Karl with a K Are you the one of the ones he mentioned, that in the last few years, he has had less than a handful of people that he has publicly talked to that weren't civil or thought he was "nonsense"
I appreciated this discussion. Thank you for being aware of personal biases and continuing to discuss these topics. People are not logical. Truth is an abstract biased concept in my opinion (places meaning on facts). Curiosity, and meaning are wonderful. Nihilism is scary.
Jordan Peterson was brilliant in this interview. Specifically when they delved deeper into the spirit of truth and the religious spirit vs totalitarian spirit. Well done, it expressed it in terms I had not heard before that really clarified things for me. Thank you.
I have subscribed to his talks - not because I understand everything he is saying - rather because the emotional sincerity in his talk convinces me to listen to more!
Authentic being matters.
This was an amazing discussion of you two guys. While listening to Jordan's attempt to liken the spirit of religion to that of science, I had to think of Category Theory in mathematics. The attempt to map one object and it's properties of a given domain to another object with similar (but transformed) properties in another domain. Fascinating! I wonder how far one can spin this and where this might lead to.
Thank you for sharing this with us!
Dr Montagnier in France said from the beginning that the virus was not of natural origins and when he died, he wasn't paid a single homage by the state. He was utterly ostracized and forgotten for his denial of the BS the state had been telling people. He was a nobel prize winner and a great man. It pains me to this day to see how they treated him.
I posted an article of Dr Montagnier on GTTR. He will not be forgotten.🙏🏽
@Dr. Tyler Durden one time in 2009 in central California a British doctor let everyone go home sick I'm like what happened? sorry for any misspells or mistakes in spelling.
@Weerawan Chantanavanich yes, u are correct, that’s what I meant, he also said some disturbing things about the newest vaccines in a recent interview
@Dr. Tyler Durden I'm relatively confident that the antiviral medications currently used to prevent AIDS would not be efficacious if the HIV virus was not the causal agent.
Not to say that the lab leak hypothesis wasn't being censored, or that the political collusion of major state/international institutions with that censorship wasn't inexcusable, but Montagnier is perhaps not the best example of an unfairly marginalised voice.
@Boris B - TDS much?
The admiration and respect i have for Dr Jordan Paterson .He is saying things that must be said .
Admirable conversation! Thanks for the truth.
And that is a perfect example of quality communication. This killed my remaining little brother in July. And stopped me from saying goodbye.
I'm Gutted. Devastated.
Above all angry and suspicious.
I thank you for pursuing this. It's a modern genocide. R.I.P. bro.
I’m so sorry for your loss.
@Lukas Dillinger thank you MrLucas. He was a brother best friend and top guitarist.
Your story is absolutely gut wrenching - but sadly so common. Those bastards need to go on trial - Nuremberg style. With the death penalty too.
If there is a God, then his bro is in a better place. What more is needed for “strength”? 😇
So sorry for your loss. May God give you strength.
I have been investigating this virus since 2009 long before "it" all started. En vitro and vivo lab research showed 15 specific plants/herbs that had positive effects on these types of mutating envelopped virusses. I talked to several media and shared my story and even rolled into an official investigation. I would love to share my knowlegde with you. Well done Jordan and Matt.
@Myocomflowers
Lol 😂
@The Pilgrim 1581 except the last statement... China was the cultural scapegoat... Dr Zhengli " bat woman" looked through her genetic data base at wuhan and said it wasn't one of theirs...
The military Olympics was held in the same area only a few klms from the " outbreak " just a couple of weeks prior. Over 10,000 military personnel from countries around the world attended...
@purePurpleAlphabetsoup it looks like lableak
I know YT doesn't allow links, but could you share where we can read more about this, in a non-link format? Sounds intriguing. . .
what are those plants/herbs?
It wasn't difficult to conclude that Covid emerged from a lab - considering the woman who was working on it, actually presented her work to her peers in the scientific community prior to the Covid breakout!
@Gwebo Celestron Thankfully there is at least one other person on YT that understands how thinking works. The second I hear the "unsupportable/unproveable resume" or "where they worked" they get shut off. Only fools think any of that means anything.
@Karl with a K I don't even know who the guy is that Jordan is speaking with because I skipped the intro, but when he said he keeps up on virology and reads papers etc... and then said something like he didn't know at what level we're at with genetically engineering viruses or if it was possible (something to that effect), I knew he was no expert. And, I'm probably more expert than he since I've recently read such papers. The appeal to Expert syndrome seriously irritates me too. People need to stop trusting everyone some social media video, or MSM, props up as an expert. Most of the nightmate we've been through is because of I AM SCIENCE expert ANTHONY FAUCI.
@Charles Drengberg At least I didn't rebuke the argument...at all. I never got to the argument as whatever they had to say was invalidated by the CHOICE to have their credentials stated. Once you show you do not care for doing what is right (illustrating some truth), everything you say is invalidated. If you are dishonest to someone once, everything you say has to be evaluated against the dishonesty. No one has time to guess what is true or not true from those that have upfront demonstrated an attempt to persuade by experience, a dishonesty that has zero impact on finding the truth.
One could argue simply dismissing a discussion based on an intro that includes credentials is an even weaker rebuke of the argument.
Thank you Jordan and Matt for the most informative and valuable of information concerning the Virus's.
Jordan Peterson truly is a treasure.
He really believes in finding the truth, no matter the cost.
God Bless this man.
@Hitogokochi Yeah we worship some weird things and people.
@Iridescentsquids I wanted to see Lenin, but likely never will now. :( It's just the way people worship others - a pop musician, an academic - whoever it is - they're treated like a god by their fans.
I truly belive Dr. Peterson has one of the greatest minds ever to be born on this earth.
Am really impressed with the conversation...makes a whole lot of sense and at the same time..opens you up to other opinions and ideas.
Whoa now, we got some RUUUUULES around here about them there "idears" you're talking about and we don't take kindly to those so we suggest you stop thinking critically and just let us do the thinking for ya.
It's baffling how genuine curiosity and candor are now seen as "threats to democracy". If we can't have a transparent and honest conversation to form a consensus, then we don't have conversations at all and are expected to only follow directives without question. Screw the latter cause that ain't freedom.
The virus was already in Ottawa Ontario in November 2019. My 30 year old daughter was very sick in November 2019, with the virus and doctors did not know about what made her sick. Then later more and more people around her kept getting sick. What is interesting I was around in contact helping my daughter and never got sick.
I am a senior citizen. I take vitamin D3 every day. I also use lots of fresh slices of ginger in my Lemon tea, and eat fresh garlic in most of my meals.
I am still healthy now, and do not take flu shots. People I know take flu shots they still get very sick including my daughter she gets sick quite often.
My family got in I. December 2019. My wife and son had a cough for 3 months and I was just tired for 3 months. Remember China stopped domestic flights but allowed international flights to leave Wuhan. Ontario has over 1 million Chinese nationals who travel back and forth
I haven't had Covid either and I am convinced it's because I take a strong combine vitamin D3, K2 and Magnesium tablet every day. A cafe I went into regularly where their staff got Covid in Nov before it was all in the press. The staff were all very ill within a month....but I didn't get it and was exposed to them.
A friend in Australia knows a pandemic scientist and she said to her right at the beginning it came from a lab. She thought it was an accident. However, she and other scientists would have known this early on because of the sequencing of the virus.
You're on the right track Jordan and thank you very much. Being human is the practice of consciousness or the lack there of in many cases. I enjoy how you're both expressing beautifully your given practices however there is no one prevailing truth per se but a practice of bringing enlightenment (as you have repeatedly stated that word) to humanity on our little blue marble spinning while traveling through the galaxy and universe. What an amazing thing to imagine if every human being on this earth could for even 3 seconds view the planet from space and all it's glory I doubt they would (along with all the people who have had that opportunity) contemplate who or what created it or how fast it spins in those brief moments. The pursuit of truth, like the existence of love is not stagnant, but form from formlessness. What is real accepted unilaterally.
As I've listened intently I suspect you're both given great evolutionary movements and leaps into the betterment of modern society.
I love science and I love my faithful practice that is unique to my incarnation. End of the day it's consciousness both in the wonder of my environment knowing what science/technology/society has granted me since birth AND knowing deeply I have an undying spirit that will transcend in some form or fashion that in my current state of being I can only speculate on.....and I'm good with that as it's the science of me that is bonded with my spirit. WE ARE IN the scientific method of our existence together, connected with illusionary distractions deceiving us that we're separate or divided.
You two have given me hope and gratitude that the lies are being brought out front and center so we can put into practice transparency along with integrity of staying curious so the enlightenment is shared i.e, we're 40 % genetically the same as a banana & we were created in the likeness of our creator or source. Both are felt, digested and taken in quintessentially. Eureka AND Hallelujah! We will NOT go quietly into that good night!...... PS all viral testing on Mars by robots!!
As soon as you start giving the "credentials and backgrounds" of the hired guests all credibility is lost for their validity. No qualified person would consent to having their pedigree elucidated, no educated person would recognize it as meaningful. JBP is pure nonsense before the video even starts, lol. So we know where you are at.
I read this book last year.
Incredible and eye opening book.
Was a good book
Nice to see that we’re allowed to have this conversation now. Watching videos being taken down about this was maddening.
Allowed? This has only been up for 23 hrs and 100% guarantee it will be demonitized by KZclip
@Mr. Nobody The currencies have been transferred and we have gone further down the road to totalitarianism. Now we can let the little people have their little talks.
Perhaps now that most folks, at least in the west, have been inoculated with the lucrative drug... The conversation now is acceptable as there is no turning back at this point. At this point, so what, trillions of dollars, and other currencies, have been transferred.
The damage is done, nothing to hide anymore.
It's a damn shame that the world is not run by these two, and people like them. Hopefully that will change in Canada, at least.
A captivating discussion! The concept of the 'spreading' of indoctrinated thought patterns such as totalitarianism is becoming evident by the politicisation of science. Such a powerful manner of segregating and stultifying scientific discussion by individual perceptions of political ideology applied to the subject matter is one way of impeding the natural free-association nature of thought processes. One could also look to how the contemporary categorisation of almost any topic has moved from a gendered argument to one of bipolar politics: it has a greater potential of limiting the scope of each side's argument to the limited ideologies embraced by the political perspective.
I heard right after the outbreak that it was developed by the usa government and China jointly inaugurated college lab in sc or somewhere southern on the east coast. Then was transferred to China lab where it was ultimately and unknowingly accidentally carried out by a young med student. That story immediately vanished
Thanks for your courage to disclose the nature of Covid 19. I was working for more then 30 yesrs in the field of study of genetic modifacations and their impact on expression of genes. It is possible to conclude with very hight probabilty : modifications of genetic expression related to adaptation of replication of Covid 19 in Humans were done in Hight tech Labs and leak of modified viruses definataly connected with a sanitasion negligence of members of staff infolved in that reseach.
The possibility also exists that it was an intentional release. Even with extensive investigations, we may never know. But without investigations, we will certainly never know.
Much of this information was discussed in real time by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying of the DarkHorse podcast.
For those who aren’t familiar with this lovely husband and wife team of biologists and gifted teachers (former professors)… I’d encourage checking them out their work. ❤️
@K Newt Me too :)
There are exhibited lights of reason in our newly acquired online existence and this gives me hope. Looking up/forward to Dr Peterson and Darkhorse to further my growth.
@K Newt Do you mean Bret Weinstein & JP? They've been on multiple podcasts together.
Would love it if they met/interviewed each other.
This video should have a 100 million views. Its insane how much faith people have in the media
This is so one sided discussion from so bias people.
I believe 75-80% of people with access to the internet watch Tiktok or KZclip shorts all day. They simply do not have the time to watch a video over a minute. Let alone 2 hour video which induces thought and understanding.
Alians should watch that to
8 billion views
Once again Jordan you have taken a very important question/topic and taken it apart in the most fundamental and constructive way and shown me and I am sure many others that there is yes important reasons to know the truth of something but that the manner in which it is obtained is also paramount and how they can all be applied to our own lives and ethics as human beings. I think I'm describing that the way I mean to🤔. I love the way your colleague put it , " the truth is what matters the most it's more important than the consequences" and that is Iwhat am truly learning more and more in my life as the thing that proves itself more than any other. Great show Jordan the lessons you teach on how we can all better live our lives when you discuss matters with any of your guests always blow my mind.
Gentlemen, in a word that discussion was captivating! Thank you so much for nourishing my mind and conviction that seeks the truth, regardless of the discomfort that may arise from its discovery. .
As a Chinese living in Canada for so long , I feel so sorry for the Chinese government ; and sometimes feel ashamed as a Chinese ; the Chinese government should make public statement and announcements regarding the pandemic after all these tragedy and loss of the world. Meanwhile, feeling grateful living in a free and diversified country.
You think Canada is a free country?
It's a pleasure to listen to you guys.
Amen Dr. Peterson. Thank you for your guidance over the last few years. 🙏
I worked at Elsevier, home of the Lancet… thus I was very persistent in reading the latest materials surrounding COVID. By the end of April I was able to tell this was a fear campaign like we have never seen before. I tried sharing my findings with coworkers & family… ultimately to be be ostracized.
This episode was like waking up to the smell and sound of crackling bacon🥓
@Diana Manning-Squire replying to see comments
I'm a vegan, but yeah, just like that🤓
I have said for many years that "science is the study of creation". I love the point discussed in this video that if humans don't put their faith in a transcendent being, entity, we will put that faith in something else, like a human being or an ideology based on human ideas (re: Communism). I see that it has happened.
Very edifying report, Doctors. Thank you very much.
Jordan you're an amazing person! Thank you for this!
Congrats for making this kind of material!
I have studied Microbiology my life and after talking to doctors assumed our Government was ready for the next pandemic, wow, was I mislead. Working and creating labs, immediately realized it was a lab leak. My question was, why was it created? A pandemic will happen again, I hope we will be ready.
@Grant 2025, brace yourself.
Matt Ridley, shoving your expose into print despite the obstacles was a Nobel-worthy feat of journalism and a service to mankind. In a better world, your service would be written in the stars!
In early 2020 MR, who I deeply respect, wrote an article dismissing lab leak over natural evolution. That was his contribution at the time when he was needed most.
It fell to others to be courageous in the face of ridicule and digital banning.
He is the SECOND person to do this: Look for "What really happened in Wuhan" by Sharri Markson. Australia was sanctioned by China in 2020 for calling for an inquiry into the origins of Covid, Those significant economic sanctions remain to this day. Australians, at the highest level, were on to the Lab in mid 2020. China's response was seen as confirmatory here in Oz. Why the USA remained so far behind is a mystery here in Oz.
@Matt Retter not yet... we should save n share this.
Love this think-piece on common sense surprised KZclip didn’t strike it.
carved into a mountain, maybe.
This man is a blessing.
Thank you very much Dr Peterson and Mr Matt Ridley. You are doing Gods work. Please keep up the good work. We really appreciate it.
The entire episode of the C2019, is best summed up in this way:
Evil always places it’s emphasis on creating a group and controlling that group, mostly through fear. Then, this fearful group will gather energy from each other by being in sync with the same mind set( think Holocaust, think pandemic) and attack the smaller group (outsiders) to them.
Remember this going forward!
This is the true lesson of the pandemic.
Stick to your group.
Create safe places
Gather forces
Keep communications clear
Fight for survival
Stay one step ahead of the larger group
Pray
And the pattern of fear..the final purpose of this diabolic system.
Thanks for this excellent information.
There is also a basic instinct of honesty behind respect for truth. Some people have lost it, some have not.
3 bleeding years with no experts getting to the bottom of the Thing that has destroyed so many peoples lives that its incomprehensible! Finally someone who has the intellect and gall to do so! Thank you Dr. Peterson
@Debra Victoria If social distancing worked; you wouldn't need a mask; if the mask worked; you wouldn't need the jab; if the jab worked you wouldn't need a booster; if the booster worked you wouldn't need social distancing and the circle continues ad nauseam
@Matthew King And setting up the conditions for mail in votes, drop boxes, and classified documents
@All Rounder
You offer no substance in your replies.
You've failed.
Your failure is evident.
I leave you with the last words to comfort your flaws.
@The Pilgrim 1581 Must be religious truth you're on about. It's certainly not legal or scientific truth. That requires at least a smidgeon of evidence.
I'd still love to know who's been publishing your index though. Go on, you can tell me. It can't be a secret. Or can it?
@All Rounder
The truth is not hard to find but hard for you to accept.
Thank you for this video. You had an in-house ad for audible (which I love audible.being a commuter I have a lot more time with books plus I am more of a listening learner. ) Followed by an in-house ad for your book “Logos and Literacy” well you don’t even know how excited I got over this book! I paused the video and immediately went to audible thinking of course Dr. Jordan will narrate(double excitement) but I typed in the title and sadly no results then I typed in Your name and only one audible book. Not “Logos and Literacy” Is that correct. ?. Please,please dr.j.b.wanquinobe you’re our only hope. Make it an audible ❤
Love this summary: The pursuit of truth should transcend all short term political gain.
The West, at it’s best, acts out the claim that the truth will set you free. [We undo this belief at our immense peril when] we are willing to believe that human engineered deceit (like we see in the marriage of totalitarianism and nihilism) is an acceptable alternative. [Scientists especially are at the forefront this movement.] Scientists: when you bend the truth to political purposes, you do so not only at your own great peril as practicing scientist and human beings, but you also re-work the entire structure of the world, and that is an absolute abdication of the opportunities that have been granted to YOU by a society that strived for hundreds of years to give you the privilege of engaging in the pursuit of the truth.
Scientists who bend the truth for political gain undo the good it could have done in the world.
Brilliant discussion great to listen to thanks
Wow!! Super engaging discussion really enjoyed that thank you 🙏
Peterson is sooooo snooty.😂
This is an incredibly powerful video that must be seen by all!
Extremely impressive interviewer.
Matt is a true investigative journalist, a rare thoroughbred in these media times, such important findings, intellectually presented and professionally impartial.
This is without doubt the most important video for the public since the outbreak.
At this point, the actual conspiracy theory is that covid came out of bat soup. It's amazing that people are still so resistant to accept what was actually going on in these labs.
@William Hlinovsky as I said. Not interested in your conspiracy theory logic. I watched the entire video, understood it, and was open minded enough for open enquiry point of view. You on the other hand, have it set in stone in your mind, with NO proof. Bye.
@William Hlinovsky Mate, I'm not going to argue with your conspiracy logic. I know better, you act as if whart you argue IS the case and it isn't. Because you have NO proof. Come back when you do.
The universities are churning it out in all disciplines. I first encountered it around 2015 regarding art through a friend's daughter who was a student. When I'd gone through art the idea was, ART IS ART, it aims to find universal truths that transcend space (national boundaries) and time (fickle trends), it MUST NOT aim to be political or it becomes nothing more than POLITICAL PROPAGANDA. But she said, "Oh no, all art is political, and as a member of society artists have a RESPONSIBILITY to BE POLITICAL" to put their views forth to help society.
This view is sweeping through ALL disciplines. Nothing is pure anymore. Nothing is exploratory. Everything is just political SALESMANSHIP, people with PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS trying to SELL their notions through using the TOOLS of their disciplines! There is no honest inquiry anymore. They don't undertake their endeavors no matter where it leads. They already KNOW where they want it to lead.
It's the glorification of bias, of prejudice, of propaganda, of the happy ending, above all rather than truth.
"Nothing is pure anymore. Nothing is exploratory." Great comment.
Politics ruins everything.
I worked in the field of dance. I experienced awe in certain performances I was fortunate enough to be cast in. The job 9-5 was hard hard work. Lots of pain. The training years from age 6 were soul destroying. It seemed I was constantly told how technically bad a dancer I was. So much so, that when I won a scholarship to a full time school I couldn’t believe it. I loved my time there. My hard work was rewarded. I began to think maybe I had talent. I got a job in the best company in my country and I loved my life. But the job is all practice practice practice. You have to love that endless work. But the reward is the awe on stage. Not in every dance. Just a few magical creations. It reminded me of the scientific quest for truth. It is outside of the physical world. It is magic for want of a better word. And what is magic, but something created that is not understood, impossible, but appearing before one’s eyes regardless.
Dear professor, I haven’t come to your channel for a while, because my VPN hasn‘t worked very well since last October. I now live in China, in Beijing. I just want to say that I like not only your points of view but also and even more, your way of thinking…and I am also a loyal reader to Dostoevsky. I have few people here to communicate with, which is sad but I fortunately got use to it. I would like to tell you and your audience that in this suffocating country, I still strive to maintain independent thinking, I do my best to get access to forbidden knowledges, I express my views bravely to the others( even if they don’t understand and have no will to do so) and I still believe in truth and justice. Maybe there are not many people like me, but after all, I’m still here. I don‘t think I can awaken others, my people live in misery but still they are grateful for all the government has done and all the lies been told. I am chained, just like everybody else in this country, but I know that deep inside my heart and mind are still free. And I shall never give it up to the totalitarians.
The most brilliant moment was when Ridley say "hang on, are we losing the enlightenment view of science where we were inquiry on its own is good?". The regrettable answer is: YES.
Doctor Petersen the last three years of onslaught has worn you down, but to a base of basalt strength. You look stronger and better than ever, keep up the good fight. No thinking person on the planet believes this crap came from a bat crapping on someone's sandwich.
We must never forget the pandemic we must all keep pushing in every way we can for a thorough investigation.
@Tammie Moore For sure!
It should be made illegal to hide or censure any information about the pandemic. It should be made a law that any information related to this public pandemic, be public information.
We are so privileged to be able to hear these two men speak on such deep topics.
Two great human beings!
Very enlightening and informative discussion. Thank you.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson, for your persistence in finding truth. You're intelligent conversations with highly-qualified professionals are much appreciated!
As a bioengineering student, I've been saying Occam's razor on the lab leak since day one.
After NIH started erasing the paper trail proving they funded the research, that was all the proof we needed.
If there wasn't any foul play on the NIH's part, they would have never covered up the paper trail.
@Dawn Nunlee The awkward thing about being labeled a conspiracy theorist, especially in this case, is when the "conspiracy theory" is intuitive, takes one sentence, and is intuitive to explain.
But the "truth" takes hours of assumptions, explanations and justifications, while going against any intuition.
Your words have helped me deeply thank you stay strong
Wow. What an interview. Thank you.
I follow you Peter Jordan because you always say the truth, not many people like you now at days. God bless you always and your beautiful family too♥️🙏
Enlightening perspectives on science and truth.
51;22 It is good to see that Jordan is happy to be corrected. This attitude is a good attitude to have, because how can one learn if one thinks one knows everything already.
I'm 68 and find it harder and harder to find honest, intelligent, educated people to learn from. I just assumed they would be everywhere but are getting harder to find. Thank you!! I also admire Dr. John Campbell, he is honest and not political (from UK)
@vuchaser99 I do so agree. I watched him just prior to this. He admits when he's wrong and he's about the truth.
I too find Campbell a true scientist. Follows the literature, faithful to science to a point but equally critical but most importantly accepting when he was wrong. His slow drip away from manipulation has been perhaps too slow... but give an honest man time, he is sorting it out. And bully for him to do so!
Agreed. Bret Weinstein is also interesting. Joe Rogan, though he is not an intelectual does have some interesting people on his show and asks some good questions. Mainly critical thought has been subjugated as reading has been replaced by fast scrolling videos. I am 50 so I am in the last generation that can remember life without cellphones
Have you heard of Lex Fridman? He interviews some of the smartest and interesting people on the planet. He is truly a humble and unique human, and the world could benefit from a few more like him.
I am in my high eighties and I once knew honest and intelligent people, but, now my heroes seem to be all dead.
It’s crazy how joe Rogan gives people platforms and makes people rich, it feels like it was just yesterday that this great intellectual was only known in his Canadian university and thanks to joe rogan he is internationally recognized and respected, keep up the good work Peterson.
The entire school in our area in Central London got it in September 2019. I got it end of November and into December 2019. It was severe. Even very young children got it.
You got it before the outbreak in China in December 2019?
The 1 thing I never heard was the actual suspiciousion of where the break out actually started before becoming an out break .... 2 high rank militants were in the microbiology lab without permission and the 2 ladies who let them into the level 4 section, were id by csis then fired.... unknown sickness going through Canada all in November 2020 then the out break In 2021 and China on the hook but yet any public information on what happened in winnipeg disappeared too
"Wonderful" brings to mind the difference between awe and worship. One child receiving a present may exclaim, "Wow! This is great!" Another may add, "Thanks, Grandma! I love you!"
😢 honestly! Then our politicians who allowed this act like they didn’t have a clue or that it all went away all of a sudden, we’re all supposed to act like it didn’t happen
I wasn't shocked. I was ticked. Covid really woke me up. The bad actors were clearly seen. I learned alot and I'm much more educated now. The only thing that shocked me was half the nation, ( I'm American). And the world covered their eyes and ears and try like crazy to this day. To stay ignorant. Being ignorant of something is ok. Staying that way on purpose is ridiculous. A large group of the human adults decided to act like children and run away from ideas much like children. I've now come to the conclusion that we have a serious problem with people of certain ages being stuck in a younger state of mind.
one time in central California in 2009 a British doctor let everyone go home sick I'm like what happened? sorry for any misspells or mistakes in spelling.
@John Smithers In that case then It is what it is. Then it's now our responsibility to teach these people to thrive in a non prosperous situation. And they won't like it. But the recession and real political craziness. Hasn't even hit yet.
Agree, but I have a little more sympathy for them. If you are clear minded, you realize that we are on a tightrope over an abysss. We know the 80 years of prosperity and freedom thst we have experiemced is coming to the end, and soon.
You can't expect that generations of people who have lived in he most soft and comfortable era in human history are psychologically capable of facing this reality.
@Rob Def hmm not all the way. I do see hope it's just a far reach. Its going to take some extra ordinary people. And ordinary people not willing to give in or give up. We know the system their setting up doesn't work it will fail. The question is when. And how much catastrophe will be left in the wake.
@sirfer6969 I'm sorry if my words were typed incorrectly. I'm using swipe.
OMG 😳 How do these people sleep at night. Thank you Dr. Peterson for sharing all your knowledge. I truly admire your integrity and I wish there are more people like yourself in this world who are willing to do the right thing. No matter how bad and how much they try to cancel you, they will not succeed. May Allah bestow his grace on you and your family and bless you all with perfect health ALWAYS. I pray HE rewards your hard work by protecting your children and grandkids in every step they make 🙏🏼💘
Thanks very eloquent and respectful on both sides.
More please
Hat off to Dr. P for going where very few have dared.
People need to open their eyes.
Thank you for your courage.
A great discussion 👌
The Red Queen is a very good book.
"Truth matters more than consequences." -somebody. Thank You Jordan for making this masterpiece interview available to the general public.
He is a great guy!!
@Tony Dixon Ridley's book was published in late 2021, so just over a year has passed
@KK & JJ And give just one example and the data/evidence to support your claim. Peterson is very careful with his words, re-listen if you are genuinely seeking reality
@Jake Mcdonald-Erdman Yes, the key is quotational marks
Loved the interview. Wish they would have entertained the question of, could it have been purposefully released?
Very good discussion and exploration. However, the motivation of making the virus and who is behind and who benefits of it is very deep. Many thanks to the courage you to shed light to the public. Dr. Yan should be credited as well to expose the truce at very first pandemic start.
I just wanted to add, when they were speaking of Peter Daszak from Eco-Health Alliance and Daszak approaching DARPA to carry out Gain of Function (GoF) and Gain of Threat (GoT) research/experiments (at the suggestion of Anthony Fauci), DARPA TURNED DOWN Peter Daszak, saying such this TYPE of GoF and GoT was TOO DANGEROUS. Daszak then peddled it to the Institute of Virology at Wuhan.
Thanks to both on this truth successfully hidden by evil elites.
This conversation is very insightful.
Some of us were ABSOLUTELY able to realise what were lies and what were not right from the get go!
Gaslighting has become an art form..and realising who is trying to gaslight is a gut feeling that some of us have!
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@Naomi Doner there's nothing us peeps can do.
Ever played Deus Ex?
I don't remember the last time watching a discussion between two men had me this riveted. Most of the time the content I watch ends up being background noise. Not so with Doctor Peterson. Any time I run across him speaking, I can't help but stop and listen.
I have read through some of the papers by the people of Wuhan lab and also by their colleagues and I should say you can find almost every missing link there in these published literature
great video, very informative, love the way JP covers every angle leaving no room for doubt.
wtf is up these adds tho? 0.o
90% of of the doubt could be removed with a look at the gnome of the virus. The genome of the virus contains anomalies that are highly unlikely to occur in nature.