@RamenBomberDeluxe I don’t really think that „traditional America“ would have styled like that forever. Property in the 1990 and 2000 almost all nations would have been forced to liberalize more and more due to the rise of platforms like the internet and globalization.
@MissionHomeowner I disagree. Kaiser Wilhelm II was far more interested in colonial expansion rather than fighting the other major powers in the world. It seems you view him as a similar character to Hitler, and that is incorrect.
Well not exactly. Because parliamentary democracy was the only thing that stole communism's thunder. We might see even bigger communist revolution in this timeline, if the monarchs ally with industrialists instead of caring for the people.
Fun fact: The French Bourbons are STILL in exile in Spain to this day. Louis XX, Duke of Anjou, is the Pretender King of France (that is the actual term). He and his family were content under Franco, but they still do seek an era where they can return as a monarch not unlike that of the UK. They have a website, and are insanely based. You know it’s legitimate (pun intended) because of the deliberate lack of any English words in his website or any of his channels.
Yes, the agreement after the War of Spanish Succession led to the Bourbons also ruling Spain, any descendant of Philip/Felipe V of Spain (grandson of Louis XIV of France and Maria Theresa, the sister of Charles II of Spain who's death led to the war), would forfeit claims to the French Throne, meaning that now legally, the rights go to the descendants of Philippe, the younger brother of Louis XIV. But the Orleanists accept Louis XIX and Henri V because they were descendants of Louis XV.
The bourbons in spain aren't the exact same as the french bourbons. Duke of anjou can't take the throne since a paper was signed in the early 1700s that stated that Spanish bourbons can't lay claim to the french throne. So it's pointless for him to try and get the throne if the monarchy was ever restored.
@tupla T fair enough. KZclip be janky lately. Half the comments are hidden or deleted, not tallied, et cetera, and let's recognise that it really doesn't help when we're replying to months-old comments. Have a wonderful day!
@Deridus For some reason I can't see them though... Maybe something is wrong on my end, who knows. Well no matter, doesn't take anything away from my point
About the flag incident : Henry was raised by the only daughter of Louis XVI, who survived from the Great Terror... So she very hated the tricolour flag...
I can't believe how much better our timeline would be if Henry would have gotten over some stupid personal opinion on the French flag! This is why alt-history is so cool: You often learn historical facts you never would have heard about before. Sorry for being late to this video, but better late than never!
@RamenBomberDeluxeI mean wouldn’t it be a lot more better because then, without fascism, there would be no ideological reasons as to why people oppose some social progress, thus making it easier to rationalize our way into advocating for a less oppressive society other than “That’s just how it is”. And we all know it’s not a good reason to oppress people.
How is America staying more traditionalist and oppressive making the world better? The only thing that's explicitly better instead of "maybe roughly equivalent at best" in this timeline is no fascism, now THATS a good thing.
I can't believe Herny declined to become King of France over some napkin and had some problem with the national flag of France? With Herny V restoring the Bourbon Monarchy with France having another civil war due to not wanting the return of the monarchy? I do have some questions, Josh, do the republicans in France care about the people's concerns and their well-being, and what type of government do they want for France? Do Republican officials ever hear the people's thoughts on what they want and others who wanted the best for France? Is it does not want to return to the monarchy or is it the French Parliament does not want the French Monarchy to return because of their republican values? Anyways this is an amazing video Josh and I'm glad you're updating a new video, it's months since you haven't any videos is anything okay? But I'm glad you get to be part of something that can change your life for the best and I wish you good luck and success in your life. Speaking of French Monarchy, could you please do what video if Napoleon accepted the Frankfurt Proposals of 1813? If Napoleon had accepted the proposals and still keep having the title of Emperor, would it be possible for Napoleon might focus his reign on moderating France? It would be possible for Naopeloen to modernize France for he was an excellent steward and administrator who had ordered projects such as building many roads, canals, bridges, and other forms of infrastructure on the mainland during his time as Emperor. His infrastructure projects did have actually given the unification of both Germany and Italy in the future that was once occupied by France. In his 300 days as the ruler of Elba in exile, Napoleon ordered massive infrastructural projects on the island such as building roads, draining entire marshes, and developing its natural resources, mining industry, and agriculture in less than a single year. Now imagine France thriving under Napoleon's leadership with the economy being far better in the Mid- 1820s since France still lose the Napoleonic Wars but rather they ended in a neutral peace. Come to think of it, if France were able to keep the territories that it occupied the lands that Prussia might have the ability to expand and unify all of the german lands into Germany in our own timeline. This would have made France the largest economy in mainland Europe with a GDP far higher than the United Kingdom with the USA, Italy, and Prussia would lag behind. There be technological advancements that are the stream train in our timeline with Naopeloen dying just before this discovery. With Napoleon alive, he would have focused on railroads and used the steam trains to finish up the infrastructural projects much faster getting things done and seeing the benefits of steam trains transporting troops along with armaments much faster than horses or on foot. Napoleon would rather focus on the railroad network to finish his infrastructure due to France's higher population, more powerful economy, and Napoleonic France's authoritarian form of governance the United Kingdom did not have. For the Emperor have the divine and absolute right to what is best for France in the Napoleonic Era. Do you think Napoleon might gave up his powers to civil administrators and his Field Marshals and given more power to the parliament side with the Senate? What about Napoleon II? He and his mother fled to Austria to flee the wrath of the returning Bourbon Monarchy in France. This timeline would be different for Napoleon II and his mother Marie Louise, Duchess of Parma do not have to flee and be with Napoleon, with their lives won't be any danger from the old monarchy. This would avoid Napoleon II's death in our own timeline he died at age of 31 from tuberculosis, for this would not happen in this alternate timeline. Napoleon II was clearly extremely gifted and he excelled in his early education for he spoke German, Italian, and other foreign languages and he had a clear passion for the military and military strategies in history just like his father. He has also been educated by his father about war, politics, and governance and has been taught by Admistraive Field Marshals such as Nay, Berthier, and Davu. Imagine the prince becoming more like his father. Is it possible Napoeloen II might marry earlier or not? What roles does this alternate French Empire have in this timeline? What wars or foreign affairs involve themselves? I think Napoleon II would be much a capable leader than Napoleon III if he lived longer and stayed in France in his prime, do know who shall be the bride of Napoleon II? This is my thoughts and analysis on what if Napeoloen accepted the Frankfurt Propaslas of 1813. I had some other what-if ideas, I could share with you if want some. Anyways this is a nice video Josh, keep up the amazing work and I wish you good luck and I hope you're having a wonderful day!!
If my memories are good, Napoleon accepted the proposal but the allies (most notably Metternich) said that it was too late because all of them wanted the abdication of napoleon. An other good could be "What if an other general led the coup d'état of the 18 brumaire ?" Since the conspirators (like Sièyes and Talleyrand) had other proposed generals for the leading figures of the coup (Bernadotte for example). With an other general in power, we could maybe see the republic survive under the Consulat (instead of the empire). Tell me what you think about this idea.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK. WHAT IF the French revolution lead to a actual republic not a empire. like what if napoleon become the 1st president and left after a term like Washington.
@Jyothi Reddy Faux, Napoléon n'a pas installé l'Empire pour poursuivre les idéologie républicains au contraire il a dégagé pour réaliser c'est ambition c'est d'ailleurs pour ça que certains français l'appel un tyran même si je ne pense pas ça personnellement et sa aurait était aussi impossible qu'il souah président ou une chose comme ça car il ne voulait pas ça et il n'aurait pas pue envahir l'Europe,la première République aurait surement était stoppé vue'que pas de Napoléon qui a sauvé la République grâce à ses stratégies si il était rester en Corse les autres royaume voisin aurait restaurée surement la monarchie en France est une autre révolution aurait certainement lieux plus tard.
Impossible, just impossible the allies would immediately would get attack and then attck again, Napoléon was in threat of being killed by royalist terrorists backed by great Britain, if Napoléon all those deaths in the beginning of revolution riegn of terror, Republic the rights for people would have been lost in order to protect the revolution he crowned himself emperor of the French to defend the revolution and also if he even dies his son would spread the revolutionary ideas later.
honestly Henri V was quite old at the time and the idea of Orleanist succeeding him probably made him sick to the stomach. Plus he was fond of his nephew Charles XI/VII of France and Spain
What if China stayed nationalist What if Operation Valkyrie worked What if America won the Vietnam War ( like if they attacked the Ho Chi Minh Trail directly with invasion of Laos and Cambodia but in 1965-66)
Actually I don’t think the Bourbons and Orleans would have problems between them, because the only Bourbons left are the Spanish ones sooooo, they agreed to have the Orleanists on the Throne
Well he agreed to just about every other term, so if he just wanted them to leave him alone he would've refused in general, but he didn't. That is a good point though that I wish I had brought up more during the video.
How about a “what if the USA started as a monarchy where the king/queen was also the leader of a separate American church in the same vain that the British monarch is the leader of the Anglicans”
Henry: i’m sorry, but I simply cannot abide that flag! “Why didn’t you just become king and then change the flag later when no one could have stopped you?” Henry:…Merde!!
WWI happened the way it did, because Russia decided to side with the French instead of their old alliance with Germans. Now, an alliance of a connected landmass from Rhine to Pacific would have been interesting
@Josh Sullivan History so he would only accept the throne if the royal white flag came back or if he happened to accept the tricolor flag with a royal symbol in the middle maybe
There were a multitude of different reasons why Henry didn't want the throne, but, even after numerous negotiations, and compromising on other issues, Henry would not compromise on the flag, and wouldn't take the throne.
I'm not so sure about this one chief. 1. Henry V was childless (which is why his faction made a deal with the Orleanists in the first place) and his closest legal heir was probably Louis-Philippe II anyway. The only reason the Legitimist cause started supporting the Carlist candidate was because they just hated the Orleanests too much by then. 2. The French Commune and Bloody Week broke revolutionary paris for a hundred years. Without that backbone no French Revolution would have gotten off the ground.
I think when after Henri died there should have been election’s between the Legitimists and Orleanists every 4 or 5 years electing who would be king between the two today being Louis XX and Jean IV
I mean I look at it this way, if Henry V was the type of person to literally refuse the throne of a major power literally being handed to him but he denies based on a flag, it was probably for the better that France never restored the monarchy if he was to be King. I mean bro could've gone for like a compromise with the Royal coat of arms in the center of the tri-color but, alas. all the homies hate "henry v" on gang frfr
Fleur-de-lys worn by a family that served as Monarchy for so long The will of the people turned sour the result of confusion, There never was no bad that descended from the “good of Henri IV”, But then around this world has lands with out a Monarchy “Lands that are lost and devoid of there soul”.
Austria-Hungary surviving after ww1 is very unrealistic even If they won against Serbia. The main reason Austria-Hungary collapsed was due to independence movements, and I do not see this changing as Austria-Hungary would have to fundamentally restructure the way they treat minorities in their empire, which seems rather unlikely, especially if they were to win a war against Serbia and hold greater influence in the Balkans. It might parashoot the collapse however, their collapse is imminent.
I don’t agree with the assessment that France would have stayed out of the Great War if France had restored the monarchy in 1870. I think that France would want ho exact revenge on the Germans regardless if France were to be a republic or a monarchy. One very important thing not mentioned in this video is that the French 3rd Republic was established in 1870 and lasted until the NAZIs occupied France in 1940.
I wonder if the heirs of Maria Teresa Charlotte (Louis the 16th daughter ) have chance have claim to the throne. After all she had five sons and 9 daughters , one die very young. Plus Marie Theresa married a prince , l believe 2nd second cousin of royalty.
If the French Revolution never happened. WW1 and WW2 might never happened and our country France would get along with British and Germany Basically you're saying the World would have been better if France remain a Monarchy. Like founded a Franco British familly. Alternate Story/Timeline
Ther is no what if ....it's a matter of time ....you see he will be of the line of pipin and a son of the emperor Constantine say the oldest prophecies of the great monarch ...ref (contrite heart : prophecy of the great monarch)
En tant que français vive le roi a jamais ⚜️⚜️⚜️chez moi il n'y a pas de drapeau tricolore bleu blanc rouge mais un drapeau blanc avec des fleurs de lys et le drapeau de ma région la Picardie
What terrible and destabilising principles of the French revolution are we talking about? Freedom of speach? Freedom of religious conscience? An elected government from the people for the people?
Aw a democrat nightmare because remember Franklin D Roosevelt only became as powerful and popular as he is was because it’s a Great Depression and World War II
I am a populist in the sense that I want the government to act in the best interest of the people, and help them succeed. I am not a populist in the sense of wanting to give power to the people.
And your premisses about avoiding WW1 are wrong. The french 3rd Republic was a bourgeois republic. Very pro-capitalism and conservative in almost all except in their opposition to the influence id the catholic church and embrace of secularism. France, under a king or a president would have remained revisionist of the peace with Germany as it wanted Alsace-Lorraine back. German militarism, specially naval militarism, colonial partition revisionism and growing influence over central and eastern Europe would still be seen as a threat to Britain. Serbian nationalism and its alliance to pan-slavic Russia would still be in place. Turkey's inner conflict between modernists and ottomanists would remain and no matter how it would be solved it would still challenge Britains domain over Egypt french / italian domain over north Africa and russian over the northern caucasus. Most importantly, the economic and technological changes would still push for the changes that conservatives hate. Growing industrialisation would still bring pressure for the democratisation of countries (Sweden was never at war, actually made good money from them) and developed its democracy removing power from the king and creating a social democratic state as an example. Antibiotics and profilatics allowed for the sexual mores revolution. The need for longer education that industrial societies have allowed for the creation of a new age group: the teenager, with youth culture in tow. Airplanes, tv sets and computers allow for a global economy and culture. If you want a stable non revolutionary western culture go back in time and kill Guttenberg. Then we can all go back to believing the Pope is the one representative of God on earth, that kings rule by divine right, that people who dissent should be publicly killed
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A stable monarchist Europe? No fascism, globalism, or widespread communism? A traditional America? This alternative world sounds amazing!
@RamenBomberDeluxe I don’t really think that „traditional America“ would have styled like that forever. Property in the 1990 and 2000 almost all nations would have been forced to liberalize more and more due to the rise of platforms like the internet and globalization.
@RamenBomberDeluxeanime pfp expecting me to take them seriously
@MissionHomeowner I disagree. Kaiser Wilhelm II was far more interested in colonial expansion rather than fighting the other major powers in the world. It seems you view him as a similar character to Hitler, and that is incorrect.
Well not exactly. Because parliamentary democracy was the only thing that stole communism's thunder. We might see even bigger communist revolution in this timeline, if the monarchs ally with industrialists instead of caring for the people.
My boy Napoleon iii needs more love. He did some good economic and architectural orders. But good vid nonetheless
The vid is pure anglo non sense though
He had a good relationship with Queen Victoria when she came over to France
Fun fact: The French Bourbons are STILL in exile in Spain to this day.
Louis XX, Duke of Anjou, is the Pretender King of France (that is the actual term). He and his family were content under Franco, but they still do seek an era where they can return as a monarch not unlike that of the UK.
They have a website, and are insanely based. You know it’s legitimate (pun intended) because of the deliberate lack of any English words in his website or any of his channels.
Yes, the agreement after the War of Spanish Succession led to the Bourbons also ruling Spain, any descendant of Philip/Felipe V of Spain (grandson of Louis XIV of France and Maria Theresa, the sister of Charles II of Spain who's death led to the war), would forfeit claims to the French Throne, meaning that now legally, the rights go to the descendants of Philippe, the younger brother of Louis XIV. But the Orleanists accept Louis XIX and Henri V because they were descendants of Louis XV.
@Olympia Never
The bourbons in spain aren't the exact same as the french bourbons. Duke of anjou can't take the throne since a paper was signed in the early 1700s that stated that Spanish bourbons can't lay claim to the french throne. So it's pointless for him to try and get the throne if the monarchy was ever restored.
The Bourbons already rule a country, which is Spain. They should give up claims to the French throne and support the Orleanists.
As a Monarchist
I demand for this to Happen
@Deridus you aswell
@tupla T fair enough. KZclip be janky lately. Half the comments are hidden or deleted, not tallied, et cetera, and let's recognise that it really doesn't help when we're replying to months-old comments.
Have a wonderful day!
@Deridus For some reason I can't see them though... Maybe something is wrong on my end, who knows. Well no matter, doesn't take anything away from my point
@tupla T I have not deleted anything here. Maybe edited for spelling, or addendum saying" I was wrong," but that's it.
@Deridus"I delete my own comments and accuse somebody of things they clearly didn't do, but hey it's the internet"
About the flag incident :
Henry was raised by the only daughter of Louis XVI, who survived from the Great Terror...
So she very hated the tricolour flag...
I can't believe how much better our timeline would be if Henry would have gotten over some stupid personal opinion on the French flag! This is why alt-history is so cool: You often learn historical facts you never would have heard about before.
Sorry for being late to this video, but better late than never!
@RamenBomberDeluxeI mean wouldn’t it be a lot more better because then, without fascism, there would be no ideological reasons as to why people oppose some social progress, thus making it easier to rationalize our way into advocating for a less oppressive society other than “That’s just how it is”. And we all know it’s not a good reason to oppress people.
How is America staying more traditionalist and oppressive making the world better? The only thing that's explicitly better instead of "maybe roughly equivalent at best" in this timeline is no fascism, now THATS a good thing.
i don’t blame his view on the flag. It was used during the regicide of his family
I'm not a monarchist but holy shit I wish this alternative world was actually real
What if Germany today became a constitutional monarchy?
@Marcus Mariota technically it was what is generally called a semi-constitutional monarchy.
@Marcus Mariota a government similar to the United Kingdom.
Correction what if the Deutsche Reich (German Empire) returned? (It was a constitutional monarchy.
I can't believe Herny declined to become King of France over some napkin and had some problem with the national flag of France? With Herny V restoring the Bourbon Monarchy with France having another civil war due to not wanting the return of the monarchy?
I do have some questions, Josh, do the republicans in France care about the people's concerns and their well-being, and what type of government do they want for France? Do Republican officials ever hear the people's thoughts on what they want and others who wanted the best for France? Is it does not want to return to the monarchy or is it the French Parliament does not want the French Monarchy to return because of their republican values?
Anyways this is an amazing video Josh and I'm glad you're updating a new video, it's months since you haven't any videos is anything okay? But I'm glad you get to be part of something that can change your life for the best and I wish you good luck and success in your life. Speaking of French Monarchy, could you please do what video if Napoleon accepted the Frankfurt Proposals of 1813?
If Napoleon had accepted the proposals and still keep having the title of Emperor, would it be possible for Napoleon might focus his reign on moderating France? It would be possible for Naopeloen to modernize France for he was an excellent steward and administrator who had ordered projects such as building many roads, canals, bridges, and other forms of infrastructure on the mainland during his time as Emperor.
His infrastructure projects did have actually given the unification of both Germany and Italy in the future that was once occupied by France. In his 300 days as the ruler of Elba in exile, Napoleon ordered massive infrastructural projects on the island such as building roads, draining entire marshes, and developing its natural resources, mining industry, and agriculture in less than a single year. Now imagine France thriving under Napoleon's leadership with the economy being far better in the Mid- 1820s since France still lose the Napoleonic Wars but rather they ended in a neutral peace. Come to think of it, if France were able to keep the territories that it occupied the lands that Prussia might have the ability to expand and unify all of the german lands into Germany in our own timeline.
This would have made France the largest economy in mainland Europe with a GDP far higher than the United Kingdom with the USA, Italy, and Prussia would lag behind. There be technological advancements that are the stream train in our timeline with Naopeloen dying just before this discovery. With Napoleon alive, he would have focused on railroads and used the steam trains to finish up the infrastructural projects much faster getting things done and seeing the benefits of steam trains transporting troops along with armaments much faster than horses or on foot.
Napoleon would rather focus on the railroad network to finish his infrastructure due to France's higher population, more powerful economy, and Napoleonic France's authoritarian form of governance the United Kingdom did not have. For the Emperor have the divine and absolute right to what is best for France in the Napoleonic Era.
Do you think Napoleon might gave up his powers to civil administrators and his Field Marshals and given more power to the parliament side with the Senate? What about Napoleon II? He and his mother fled to Austria to flee the wrath of the returning Bourbon Monarchy in France. This timeline would be different for Napoleon II and his mother Marie Louise, Duchess of Parma do not have to flee and be with Napoleon, with their lives won't be any danger from the old monarchy.
This would avoid Napoleon II's death in our own timeline he died at age of 31 from tuberculosis, for this would not happen in this alternate timeline. Napoleon II was clearly extremely gifted and he excelled in his early education for he spoke German, Italian, and other foreign languages and he had a clear passion for the military and military strategies in history just like his father.
He has also been educated by his father about war, politics, and governance and has been taught by Admistraive Field Marshals such as Nay, Berthier, and Davu. Imagine the prince becoming more like his father. Is it possible Napoeloen II might marry earlier or not? What roles does this alternate French Empire have in this timeline? What wars or foreign affairs involve themselves? I think Napoleon II would be much a capable leader than Napoleon III if he lived longer and stayed in France in his prime, do know who shall be the bride of Napoleon II?
This is my thoughts and analysis on what if Napeoloen accepted the Frankfurt Propaslas of 1813. I had some other what-if ideas, I could share with you if want some.
Anyways this is a nice video Josh, keep up the amazing work and I wish you good luck and I hope you're having a wonderful day!!
Read about Marie-Julie Jahenny.
If my memories are good, Napoleon accepted the proposal but the allies (most notably Metternich) said that it was too late because all of them wanted the abdication of napoleon.
An other good could be "What if an other general led the coup d'état of the 18 brumaire ?"
Since the conspirators (like Sièyes and Talleyrand) had other proposed generals for the leading figures of the coup (Bernadotte for example).
With an other general in power, we could maybe see the republic survive under the Consulat (instead of the empire).
Tell me what you think about this idea.
Napoleon Bonaparte technically modernize Paris.
France needs a monarch once again to regain its former glory.
the height of frances "glory" was under a republic
GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK.
WHAT IF the French revolution lead to a actual republic not a empire. like what if napoleon become the 1st president and left after a term like Washington.
@Jyothi Reddy Faux, Napoléon n'a pas installé l'Empire pour poursuivre les idéologie républicains au contraire il a dégagé pour réaliser c'est ambition c'est d'ailleurs pour ça que certains français l'appel un tyran même si je ne pense pas ça personnellement et sa aurait était aussi impossible qu'il souah président ou une chose comme ça car il ne voulait pas ça et il n'aurait pas pue envahir l'Europe,la première République aurait surement était stoppé vue'que pas de Napoléon qui a sauvé la République grâce à ses stratégies si il était rester en Corse les autres royaume voisin aurait restaurée surement la monarchie en France est une autre révolution aurait certainement lieux plus tard.
Not gonna happen
Impossible, just impossible the allies would immediately would get attack and then attck again, Napoléon was in threat of being killed by royalist terrorists backed by great Britain, if Napoléon all those deaths in the beginning of revolution riegn of terror, Republic the rights for people would have been lost in order to protect the revolution he crowned himself emperor of the French to defend the revolution and also if he even dies his son would spread the revolutionary ideas later.
honestly Henri V was quite old at the time and the idea of Orleanist succeeding him probably made him sick to the stomach. Plus he was fond of his nephew Charles XI/VII of France and Spain
What if China stayed nationalist
What if Operation Valkyrie worked
What if America won the Vietnam War ( like if they attacked the Ho Chi Minh Trail directly with invasion of Laos and Cambodia but in 1965-66)
What if England always had absolute primogeniture
I love the music choice. French Royal Music is amazing.
Have you heard of the great french monarch prophecies it's about the return of the king Tolkien loved and used it as a template for Aragorn
Actually I don’t think the Bourbons and Orleans would have problems between them, because the only Bourbons left are the Spanish ones sooooo, they agreed to have the Orleanists on the Throne
Why not?!
No
I am just gonna say your videos have the best visuals of any alt history KZclipr
He was probably being purposefully unreasonable over the flag so they would leave him alone
Well he agreed to just about every other term, so if he just wanted them to leave him alone he would've refused in general, but he didn't. That is a good point though that I wish I had brought up more during the video.
this stuff is actually really good, your Mr Z comment gained you a sub
What if japan was allied to Germany in WW1
It would be the greatest comeback since Jared Leto as the Joker
If WW1 was solely on Eastern Europe and the Balkans, Germany would be so assured of their victory that they wouldn’t have sent Lenin back.
Amongst the pits and turns of history sometimes the fate of the world hangs by a thread…and than one time by a napkin😑
I see it the other way around, this whole thing shows how important the napkin is.
The good ending
How about a “what if the USA started as a monarchy where the king/queen was also the leader of a separate American church in the same vain that the British monarch is the leader of the Anglicans”
Henry: i’m sorry, but I simply cannot abide that flag!
“Why didn’t you just become king and then change the flag later when no one could have stopped you?”
Henry:…Merde!!
@King Haakon VII Yeah, but what wasn't starting a revolution in France?
yeah that would definitely have started a revolution ngl
Just found and subscribed I really enjoyed your video
WWI happened the way it did, because Russia decided to side with the French instead of their old alliance with Germans. Now, an alliance of a connected landmass from Rhine to Pacific would have been interesting
Long Live Their Majesties of France.
So correct me if I'm wrong, does that mean that the monarchy in France wasn't restored just because Henry didn't accept a tricolor flag?
@Josh Sullivan History so he would only accept the throne if the royal white flag came back or if he happened to accept the tricolor flag with a royal symbol in the middle maybe
There were a multitude of different reasons why Henry didn't want the throne, but, even after numerous negotiations, and compromising on other issues, Henry would not compromise on the flag, and wouldn't take the throne.
In modern times the flag objection would be known as a poison pill. Sounds like Henry didn't want to be king.
funny and simple I LOVE IT
I'm curious what the French think about a restoration of the monarchy?
Do what if Madagascar or Ethiopia monarchy restored, pls
@Josh Sullivan History yes 🤣🤣
Return of King Julian lol
I'm not so sure about this one chief.
1. Henry V was childless (which is why his faction made a deal with the Orleanists in the first place) and his closest legal heir was probably Louis-Philippe II anyway. The only reason the Legitimist cause started supporting the Carlist candidate was because they just hated the Orleanests too much by then.
2. The French Commune and Bloody Week broke revolutionary paris for a hundred years. Without that backbone no French Revolution would have gotten off the ground.
I think when after Henri died there should have been election’s between the Legitimists and Orleanists every 4 or 5 years electing who would be king between the two
today being Louis XX and Jean IV
interesting video thought i disagree with some aspects. Great job
The white flag , the white lily will rule - it will be resurrected. The king , who was not wanted then, will be honored in the coming era.
What if germany became a constitutional monarchy
Minor nitpick: it wasn’t Britain and France who screwed Italy at the peace conference; it was actually the US
I mean I look at it this way, if Henry V was the type of person to literally refuse the throne of a major power literally being handed to him but he denies based on a flag, it was probably for the better that France never restored the monarchy if he was to be King. I mean bro could've gone for like a compromise with the Royal coat of arms in the center of the tri-color but, alas.
all the homies hate "henry v" on gang frfr
Fleur-de-lys worn by a family that served as Monarchy for so long
The will of the people turned sour the result of confusion,
There never was no bad that descended from the “good of Henri IV”,
But then around this world has lands with out a Monarchy
“Lands that are lost and devoid of there soul”.
Austria-Hungary surviving after ww1 is very unrealistic even If they won against Serbia. The main reason Austria-Hungary collapsed was due to independence movements, and I do not see this changing as Austria-Hungary would have to fundamentally restructure the way they treat minorities in their empire, which seems rather unlikely, especially if they were to win a war against Serbia and hold greater influence in the Balkans. It might parashoot the collapse however, their collapse is imminent.
I wish it was today.
i dont like the compromise of an orleanist heir making them legitimate
I don’t agree with the assessment that France would have stayed out of the Great War if France had restored the monarchy in 1870. I think that France would want ho exact revenge on the Germans regardless if France were to be a republic or a monarchy. One very important thing not mentioned in this video is that the French 3rd Republic was established in 1870 and lasted until the NAZIs occupied France in 1940.
I wonder if the heirs of Maria Teresa Charlotte (Louis the 16th daughter ) have chance have claim to the throne. After all she had five sons and 9 daughters , one die very young. Plus Marie Theresa married a prince , l believe 2nd second cousin of royalty.
God Save The King.
Long Live The King.
I think France should restore it
Beloved King Louis.
Damn he beat me
Get rekt chikn man
Impressive.
souldn’t be the frist time, france did’t after napoleon in 1814 and again in 1815.
Men i am happy for ur new contract
I support the count of Paris. King Jean IV!
"What if France stoped being the definition of cringe?"
Orleanists would have accepted the flag, that's easier to restore
If the French Revolution never happened. WW1 and WW2 might never happened and our country France would get along with British and Germany
Basically you're saying the World would have been better if France remain a Monarchy. Like founded a Franco British familly.
Alternate Story/Timeline
Ther is no what if ....it's a matter of time ....you see he will be of the line of pipin and a son of the emperor Constantine say the oldest prophecies of the great monarch ...ref (contrite heart : prophecy of the great monarch)
I could do without the bouncing icon covering up the content
Neat
So grateful that Henri V refused then !
Monarchism must rule again! France will become über based by returning to monarchism.
Very interesting
Interesting video
En tant que français vive le roi a jamais ⚜️⚜️⚜️chez moi il n'y a pas de drapeau tricolore bleu blanc rouge mais un drapeau blanc avec des fleurs de lys et le drapeau de ma région la Picardie
Bien dit
What terrible and destabilising principles of the French revolution are we talking about? Freedom of speach? Freedom of religious conscience? An elected government from the people for the people?
Vive Henri IV VIVE Ce Roi notre empereur rendra l'honneur à la monarchie des Bourbons !
VIVE LE ROI
Aw a democrat nightmare because remember Franklin D Roosevelt only became as powerful and popular as he is was because it’s a Great Depression and World War II
Minor correction, atheists never took power in the French Revolution. Secular sure, but not atheist.
Short version, the French would clean off their guillotines of dust and cobwebs.
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joined the american "populist" union... and is openly anti populist
I am a populist in the sense that I want the government to act in the best interest of the people, and help them succeed. I am not a populist in the sense of wanting to give power to the people.
And your premisses about avoiding WW1 are wrong. The french 3rd Republic was a bourgeois republic. Very pro-capitalism and conservative in almost all except in their opposition to the influence id the catholic church and embrace of secularism. France, under a king or a president would have remained revisionist of the peace with Germany as it wanted Alsace-Lorraine back.
German militarism, specially naval militarism, colonial partition revisionism and growing influence over central and eastern Europe would still be seen as a threat to Britain. Serbian nationalism and its alliance to pan-slavic Russia would still be in place. Turkey's inner conflict between modernists and ottomanists would remain and no matter how it would be solved it would still challenge Britains domain over Egypt french / italian domain over north Africa and russian over the northern caucasus.
Most importantly, the economic and technological changes would still push for the changes that conservatives hate. Growing industrialisation would still bring pressure for the democratisation of countries (Sweden was never at war, actually made good money from them) and developed its democracy removing power from the king and creating a social democratic state as an example. Antibiotics and profilatics allowed for the sexual mores revolution. The need for longer education that industrial societies have allowed for the creation of a new age group: the teenager, with youth culture in tow.
Airplanes, tv sets and computers allow for a global economy and culture.
If you want a stable non revolutionary western culture go back in time and kill Guttenberg. Then we can all go back to believing the Pope is the one representative of God on earth, that kings rule by divine right, that people who dissent should be publicly killed