Ghez, probably because she has presented similar lectures to lay audiences (some of which are available on KZclip), has by far the best presentation. An excellent job describing her superb work.
@Ruben Anthony Martinez 4 months later and not a single like on this.. dunno who you were arguing with but I'm pretty sure Sir Roger knows a lot more about this than you do
Total hogwash; because there is a principle called quantum tunneling which will not allow the existence of a singularity. Quantum tunneling sets a physical limits to the mass density or the radius of any sphere of matter, therefore not allowing this singularity to start forming. The mass density ρ of an object may be found by dividing its mass M by its volume V = (4/3) π R^3. The packing of the fermions will never reach the matter concentration necessary to create a singularity. His entire argument fails because he ignores this physical principle.
Nobel prizes aren't given for theory, they must have experimental results to be considered. With that said, it takes many many years for technology and experiment to catch up with the theory.
Alfred Nobel's will states that the prize should be awarded to the person who made the most important discovery or invention the previous year, but because the field of physics takes a long time to produce tangible results or there is no experiment to corroborate it, it is given to the person(s) or institutions whose research had the biggest impact, as a result of being proven right or based on inventions derived from it, resulting advances, applications and so on.
Convergence (compression, contraction, gravity) is dual to divergence (expansion). Attraction (gravity, syntropy) is dual to repulsion (anti-gravity, entropy). Syntropy (prediction, entangled entropy) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics! Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Information, entropy is converted into mutual information (syntropy, entangled entropy) -- Shannon's information theory. In communication theory the receiver of a message infers or predicts the received message into existence, hence information is based upon probability, maximized mutual information = optimized predictions, syntropy. Apples fall to the ground because they are conserving duality. Potential energy is dual to kinetic energy. Gravitation is equivalent or dual to acceleration -- Einstein's happiest thought, the principle of equivalence (duality). Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein. Dark energy is dual to dark matter. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Concepts are dual to percepts -- the mind duality of Immanuel Kant. The intellectual mind/soul (concepts) is dual to the sensory mind/soul (percepts) -- the mind duality of Thomas Aquinas. Mind duality is dual to matter duality (wave/particle or quantum duality).
After denying the Nobelprice to Hawking and Bekenstein Stockholm finally got the message: Black holes are real and research about them deserves real awards.
@Zack 120 many reasons why. They mostly did this because of, finally, the famous release of a visual image of a black hole. But there’s been lots of discussion about the way in which the prize is awarded.
How could you call the CCC Penrose CYCLICAL when the flow just go in one direction? same thing is for the TOROUS flow diagram and the atom diagram flow.
This CCC cosmology is regurgitated cosmology, nothing new here, other than the terminology and analogy to bathroom tiles universe. This cyclic model was originally suggested as a oscillatory universe interpretation of the Big Bang, where the first cosmological event was the result of the collapse of a previous universe. But in this case it keeps on exploding painting a pretty symmetrical picture, the same old thing. This is not even science you can't prove this.
Wow - always nice to see Sir Roger, but all of these were *fantastic* presentations. Dr. Ghez's particularly fascinated me - I've had my eye on her work for years, and it is just awesome to see her recognized!
Related to Prof. Penrose's work is Prof. D. Christodoulou's seminal 600-page monograph "The formation of black holes in general relativity", EMS, 2009: "The subject of this work is the formation of black holes in pure general relativity, by the focusing of incoming gravitational waves. The theorems established in this monograph constitute the first foray into the long time dynamics of general relativity in the large, that is, when the initial data are no longer confined to a suitably small neighborhood of Minkowskian data. The theorems are general, no symmetry conditions on the initial data being imposed." I'm conviced that that Swedish Academy ought to take a long and hard look at this work and all related work of his while he is still alive.
Really nice presentation, but all this hinges on the existence of singularity. Unfortunately there is a principle called quantum tunneling which will not allow the existence of a singularity, because Quantum tunneling sets a physical limits to the mass density or the radius of any sphere of matter, therefore not allowing this singularity to start forming. The mass density ρ of an object may be found by dividing its mass M by its volume V = (4/3) π R^3.
To rush a 90 year old genius into explaining shortly his lifetime work into 30 minutes feels like being forced to chug on a Masseto Magnum from 2008 with my legs up. Leave them present freely and you may summarize after, for the presentations.
*Gravitational constant may not be so constant.* A variable G carries powerful explanatory powers. Has it ever occurred to Andrea Ghez or any astrophysicists, that it may not be a super black hole in the center of our Milkyway. But instead be related to the gravitational constant having a different value in the center of our galaxy, thereby altering the orbital behavior of the Stars within this Central galactic zone. .
ENERGY IS ALWAYS SINGULAR, BECAUSE ENERGY DOES NOT ACT PARTIALLY IN UNIVERSAL ACT, "BECAUSE MASS IS VERY VERY SMALL IN CONTEXT OF ENERGY THEN IT IS NEGLECTED" BY GALILEO. I WANT TO PUT MY SMALL VIEW IN THE CONTEXT OF THE THEORY THAT ENERGY WHICH IS BLACK HOLE ACTS LIKE A PENDULUM. THE THREAD OF THE PENDULUM IS THE CHANNEL OF ENERGY WHERE THIS CHANNEL LIKE TO SWIM ACROSS THE SPACE WHICH IS UNIVERSE AND TIME IS ITS MOTION. THE INITIAL POINT OF THE PENDULUM'S THREAD MUST BE ATTACHED WITH THE UNIFIED VALUE OF TIME SPACE WALL, THIS WALL, THAT MUST BE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BLACK HOLE..!WHERE TIME AND SPACE ACT EQUALLY WITH UNIFIED ENERGY...!
The fascination about math as the method and way for getting credibility, validity, sometimes lacking physical evidence, math has the power of persuasion. I really cannot say when scientists stopped using math as a tool for describing reality, and started using math as the "rule" for any description of reality: if it cannot be expressed with a set of equations then is not scientific. Cosmologists are so worried about the "geometry" of space, because the related math gets unmanageable. Quantum Field Theory is undeniably geometric in its approach. But as long as particles are ripples on the field, wave functions, it is impossible to consider a particle occupying any quanta of space. And all that complication comes from considering mathematics as the ruler of reality. What I like the most about Roger Penrose is that he still considers math as a tool, not a source.
gluons and photons which are carries of the electromagnetic and strong force U(1) X SU(3) Lie group(special unitary) are massless without a doubt. Remember, in QCD, particles are not really particles but represented by fields.
I feel the presentation, last two presenters also demonstrate gravitational back-force, of event horizon .. Black Holes, Cosmology, and Space-Time Singularities Roger Penrose, University of Oxford, UK I feel should have been presenting the Einstein INCH equation .. having manufactured the Newton machine, g = G Me / r^2 ( 1e -/+ Ef/Eo ) r = c to planar reaction, 3rd plane to manifestation .. accepting a lot things to immovable frame .. the Standard Model is the Periodic Table .. DNA pattern is same Einstein INCH to 1915 Child .. imaging content to infinity .. pi -/+ line = infinity to content of frame, control the elevator.
Nobel should be awarded to people who discover or invent only facts that benefit all of humanity, not give it to those for far fetched ideas that have no benefit to humanity.
Penrose has many facets. You may notice, for example, that he illustrates his ideas with diagrams that he has drawn by hand. He influenced MC Escher in some of that artist's most famous woodcuts, and Escher's woodcuts have influenced Penrose in his Nobel prize winning math and physics. The Penrose tile system is widely used in decorative arts. His ambiguous Penrose triangle can be used to explain local and global concepts in mathematics and physics. He has written extensively about "understanding" and consciousness which has led to biomedical discoveries involving the tiniest features in cellular structures. So, while Europa Europa may not understand why Nobel prizes are handed out, in the instance of Roger Penrose, the protest made here does not stand. Everyone has been saying for years that Roger Penrose should be given a Nobel. A similar wish list for me included Bob Dylan in Literature, and I'm glad to have lived long enough to see both laureates get their due.
Actually the announcer knows his German pretty good. Speaking "Stein" (which is a German word) like "Shtine" is actually more "correct" as most German words starting with "st" are generally spoken like this by the vast majority of native German speakers (e. g. "Straße" - "Shtrase", "Stern" - "Shtern"). Only a few German dialects would pronounce "Stein" in the way the English speakers are used to it ("stine").
Ghez, probably because she has presented similar lectures to lay audiences (some of which are available on KZclip), has by far the best presentation. An excellent job describing her superb work.
8:21 Sir Roger PENROSE --- Lecture starts
40:11 Prof. Reinhard GENZEL -- A Forty Year Journey
1:10:12 Prof. Andrea GHEZ
Not only 89, but this Duracell-bunny is still trying to break new ground. An inspiration
Fascinating openings for young researchers - more question are raised than answered!
Prof. Penrose is a most genius physicist and a good human being.
Roger Penrose is 89 years old and still going strong. This man is truly incredible!
So he was one if founder of EPR Paradox
Ya
@Bryan Mauro aq
He inspired me to do physics
He is the Dude
PROFESSOR GHEZ!! I had her for my professor at UCLA for my undergraduate course during my major of Astrophysics! UCLA BRUINS SO PROUD OF ANDREA GHEZ!
Congrats Roger on your nobel prize!
Missing Professor Hawking but he must be very happy wherever he is
@Ruben Anthony Martinez 4 months later and not a single like on this.. dunno who you were arguing with but I'm pretty sure Sir Roger knows a lot more about this than you do
@Ruben Anthony Martinez You think that, "Missing Professor Hawking but he must be very happy wherever he is", is total hogwash?
Sir, Are you still alive?
@Ruben Anthony Martinez Who are you arguing with?
Total hogwash; because there is a principle called quantum tunneling which will not allow the existence of a singularity.
Quantum tunneling sets a physical limits to the mass density or the radius of any sphere of matter, therefore not allowing this singularity to start forming. The mass density ρ of an object may be found by dividing its mass M by its volume V = (4/3) π R^3. The packing of the fermions will never reach the matter concentration necessary to create a singularity. His entire argument fails because he ignores this physical principle.
Roger starts at 8:20
Why these genius people get Nobel prize after so many years of research??
Nobel prizes aren't given for theory, they must have experimental results to be considered. With that said, it takes many many years for technology and experiment to catch up with the theory.
Alfred Nobel's will states that the prize should be awarded to the person who made the most important discovery or invention the previous year, but because the field of physics takes a long time to produce tangible results or there is no experiment to corroborate it, it is given to the person(s) or institutions whose research had the biggest impact, as a result of being proven right or based on inventions derived from it, resulting advances, applications and so on.
He said he is happy he received it so late in life, it didn't influence him negatively as it happened to others which got it earlier in their lives.
@guy yeah it has taken this long for technology to catch up.
They are in a back- logged queue.
Can't wait to hear from professor Ghez :)
??? Just listen to the video.
Thank you Noble Prize for putting this video and others up. It is appreciated by myself and humankind. May God Bless the World.
Convergence (compression, contraction, gravity) is dual to divergence (expansion).
Attraction (gravity, syntropy) is dual to repulsion (anti-gravity, entropy).
Syntropy (prediction, entangled entropy) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics!
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Information, entropy is converted into mutual information (syntropy, entangled entropy) -- Shannon's information theory.
In communication theory the receiver of a message infers or predicts the received message into existence, hence information is based upon probability, maximized mutual information = optimized predictions, syntropy.
Apples fall to the ground because they are conserving duality.
Potential energy is dual to kinetic energy.
Gravitation is equivalent or dual to acceleration -- Einstein's happiest thought, the principle of equivalence (duality).
Energy is dual to mass -- Einstein.
Dark energy is dual to dark matter.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Concepts are dual to percepts -- the mind duality of Immanuel Kant.
The intellectual mind/soul (concepts) is dual to the sensory mind/soul (percepts) -- the mind duality of Thomas Aquinas.
Mind duality is dual to matter duality (wave/particle or quantum duality).
Roger Penrose, extraordinaria persona.
The real achievement.
Roger pitched his CCC hypothesis in his Nobel speech !!! Bravo
he's a platonist. h shold do so...
He does so at every opportunity. And why not, lol. It's an interesting idea.
I wonder why they don't call him as Sir Roger Penrose?
@Primetime Durkheim Professor actually
Dr. Sir Roger Penrose
I can never love anything more than the way Rodger Penrose says super duper.
Genius of physics
After denying the Nobelprice to Hawking and Bekenstein Stockholm finally got the message:
Black holes are real and research about them deserves real awards.
Hawking accomplished almost nothing.
@Zack 120 many reasons why. They mostly did this because of, finally, the famous release of a visual image of a black hole. But there’s been lots of discussion about the way in which the prize is awarded.
What is the official reason to deny Hawking?
Brilliant concept thought by Nobel lectures Roger Penrose , Reinhard Genzel and Andrea M. Ghez. Congratulations to the Nobel laureates and keep it up.
Let the lectures be restricted to 3 hours max! this is too little time for important lectures! 30 min!
"If I Had More Time, I Would Have Written a Shorter Letter" Cicero ( attribution in dispute)
How could you call the CCC Penrose CYCLICAL when the flow just go in one direction? same thing is for the TOROUS flow diagram and the atom diagram flow.
Aeons are cyclical...
This CCC cosmology is regurgitated cosmology, nothing new here, other than the terminology and analogy to bathroom tiles universe.
This cyclic model was originally suggested as a oscillatory universe interpretation of the Big Bang, where the first cosmological event was the result of the collapse of a previous universe. But in this case it keeps on exploding painting a pretty symmetrical picture, the same old thing. This is not even science you can't prove this.
Because it... cycles
Penrose at 8:22
Was anyone else here obsessed with why Hubble’s constant “isn’t” (constant) when they were a kid?
This video made me wonder about the scale of the universe and how tiny we are in comparison but not consequence.
Beautiful Minds!!! you guys are my heroes + heroine! :) :) keep inspiring :) :)
I'd like to take this moment to thank our galaxy the Milky Way, that it has allowed us to exist :D, we can be real sobZ but you make it work everyday❤
Roger Penrose ❤️
This is who you want in our government advising us. Brilliant men. He is genius
Wow - always nice to see Sir Roger, but all of these were *fantastic* presentations. Dr. Ghez's particularly fascinated me - I've had my eye on her work for years, and it is just awesome to see her recognized!
I miss Professor Stephen Hawking... he should be happy wherever he rests today...
Penrose was his PhDmentor
You are a true genius physicist....I feel proud that you received Nobel prize.
Related to Prof. Penrose's work is Prof. D. Christodoulou's seminal 600-page monograph "The formation of black holes in general relativity", EMS, 2009: "The subject of this work is the formation of black holes in pure general relativity, by the focusing of incoming gravitational waves. The theorems established in this monograph constitute the first foray into the long time dynamics of general relativity in the large, that is, when the initial data are no longer confined to a suitably small neighborhood of Minkowskian data. The theorems are general, no symmetry conditions on the initial data being imposed." I'm conviced that that Swedish Academy ought to take a long and hard look at this work and all related work of his while he is still alive.
Really nice presentation, but all this hinges on the existence of singularity. Unfortunately there is a principle called quantum tunneling which will not allow the existence of a singularity, because Quantum tunneling sets a physical limits to the mass density or the radius of any sphere of matter, therefore not allowing this singularity to start forming. The mass density ρ of an object may be found by dividing its mass M by its volume V = (4/3) π R^3.
More questions than answers
More work ahead
Go for it!
8:21 Intro skip
Why?
thanks
Thank you! YOU ARE A LEGEND!
To rush a 90 year old genius into explaining shortly his lifetime work into 30 minutes feels like being forced to chug on a Masseto Magnum from 2008 with my legs up. Leave them present freely and you may summarize after, for the presentations.
Well, still waiting for direct, f not physical, evidence for the existence of BH.
go, check it empirical yourself, and don't come back...
All three lectures were excellent! Thank you.
Surprisingly clear!
Congrats sir Dr roger penrose , been 89 and still working hard
His fans love him.
Me not knowing shit about physics and space listening to this while I wash dishes at work
Congratulations Mr. PENROSE!
Physics lectures aren't too bad and werent my worst. Enjoyed history more than anything else.
Concept of geometry is unique and lucid.
I think Roger was maybe around at the time of the Big Bang
*Gravitational constant may not be so constant.* A variable G carries powerful explanatory powers.
Has it ever occurred to Andrea Ghez or any astrophysicists, that it may not be a super black hole in the center of our Milkyway. But instead be related to the gravitational constant having a different value in the center of our galaxy, thereby altering the orbital behavior of the Stars within this Central galactic zone.
.
well we have now photographed that black hole (Sagittarius A), so that seems to be the reason.
yeah, but why would be a variable G?... i mean, what support that hypothesis?
ENERGY IS ALWAYS SINGULAR, BECAUSE ENERGY DOES NOT ACT PARTIALLY IN UNIVERSAL ACT, "BECAUSE MASS IS VERY VERY SMALL IN CONTEXT OF ENERGY THEN IT IS NEGLECTED" BY GALILEO. I WANT TO PUT MY SMALL VIEW IN THE CONTEXT OF THE THEORY THAT ENERGY WHICH IS BLACK HOLE ACTS LIKE A PENDULUM. THE THREAD OF THE PENDULUM IS THE CHANNEL OF ENERGY WHERE THIS CHANNEL LIKE TO SWIM ACROSS THE SPACE WHICH IS UNIVERSE AND TIME IS ITS MOTION. THE INITIAL POINT OF THE PENDULUM'S THREAD MUST BE ATTACHED WITH THE UNIFIED VALUE OF TIME SPACE WALL, THIS WALL, THAT MUST BE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BLACK HOLE..!WHERE TIME AND SPACE ACT EQUALLY WITH UNIFIED ENERGY...!
The fascination about math as the method and way for getting credibility, validity, sometimes lacking physical evidence, math has the power of persuasion. I really cannot say when scientists stopped using math as a tool for describing reality, and started using math as the "rule" for any description of reality: if it cannot be expressed with a set of equations then is not scientific. Cosmologists are so worried about the "geometry" of space, because the related math gets unmanageable. Quantum Field Theory is undeniably geometric in its approach. But as long as particles are ripples on the field, wave functions, it is impossible to consider a particle occupying any quanta of space. And all that complication comes from considering mathematics as the ruler of reality. What I like the most about Roger Penrose is that he still considers math as a tool, not a source.
He's described as an "algebraic geometer"
Congratulations to Sir Roger Penrose and co.
Question: how can a dust cover the light when it’s so far far away? @1:19:40
sir roger penrose concept of this endless aeons are very amazing
Ethan Siegel rudely ad hominem attacked him
Stars are being born around black holes! Black holes are giving birth to starts, that is why you are observing young stars orbiting around it.
Alll the very best...🖤🖤🖤
Inspirational
If photons are a thing they must to have mass just like air, if photons do not have mass they are just not a thing. - even energy must to be mass.
Read up on the difference between bosons and fermions to understand why photons are massless.
gluons and photons which are carries of the electromagnetic and strong force U(1) X SU(3) Lie group(special unitary) are massless without a doubt. Remember, in QCD, particles are not really particles but represented by fields.
Well deserved! 💯
I feel the presentation, last two presenters also demonstrate gravitational back-force, of event horizon .. Black Holes, Cosmology, and Space-Time Singularities
Roger Penrose, University of Oxford, UK
I feel should have been presenting the Einstein INCH equation .. having manufactured the Newton machine, g = G Me / r^2 ( 1e -/+ Ef/Eo ) r = c to planar reaction, 3rd plane to manifestation .. accepting a lot things to immovable frame .. the Standard Model is the Periodic Table .. DNA pattern is same Einstein INCH to 1915 Child .. imaging content to infinity .. pi -/+ line = infinity to content of frame, control the elevator.
Nobel should be awarded to people who discover or invent only facts that benefit all of humanity, not give it to those for far fetched ideas that have no benefit to humanity.
what have you done to advance humanity?
So it is best to give the Noble prize to a chicken farmer, who makes the best eggs for your breakfast omlette..
@Tom Ditto Exactly Roger Penrose theorem had helped in many discoveries which we all use in our daily life.
Penrose has many facets. You may notice, for example, that he illustrates his ideas with diagrams that he has drawn by hand. He influenced MC Escher in some of that artist's most famous woodcuts, and Escher's woodcuts have influenced Penrose in his Nobel prize winning math and physics. The Penrose tile system is widely used in decorative arts. His ambiguous Penrose triangle can be used to explain local and global concepts in mathematics and physics. He has written extensively about "understanding" and consciousness which has led to biomedical discoveries involving the tiniest features in cellular structures. So, while Europa Europa may not understand why Nobel prizes are handed out, in the instance of Roger Penrose, the protest made here does not stand. Everyone has been saying for years that Roger Penrose should be given a Nobel. A similar wish list for me included Bob Dylan in Literature, and I'm glad to have lived long enough to see both laureates get their due.
Everything has a benefit if you wait long enough
From the distance the stand looks like floating...
One day I'll absolutely be there
of course you will
I love Roger Penrose
ITS GENERAL THEORY OF RELATIVITY NOT THEORY OF GENERAL RELATIVITY! SHEEEESHHHHH 6:40
Subtitle 🙏
6:02 I will forever say the name 'Albert Einshtine' like this from now onwards
Actually the announcer knows his German pretty good. Speaking "Stein" (which is a German word) like "Shtine" is actually more "correct" as most German words starting with "st" are generally spoken like this by the vast majority of native German speakers (e. g. "Straße" - "Shtrase", "Stern" - "Shtern"). Only a few German dialects would pronounce "Stein" in the way the English speakers are used to it ("stine").
Giving a Nobel Prize for Black Holes makes no sense since Einstein didn’t receive a Nobel Prize for General Relativity.
Of course I have shortened the stories because you are talking so fast.
All the best🎉🎉
Wow, inspiring!
38:46 mic drop
Please try to add sub title.
Lectures should be in short cut or can be continued tomorrow.
Can't wait
its my dream award ❤️❤️❤️❤️.
@Tim c lol
Hmm... it’s easy
So this is what it takes to win the noble prize?
Easy...!!!
Ma dream
well ,sometimes dreams come true if you want
💳 good news 2023 good time to come
I am here only for Mrs ghez
NOBEL.👍❤❤
Different time dimensions
Eh
Good luck 2021⭐🌷✋
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
i like penrose diagram
Good
🌍🕊✋🌷⭐🎺
Wow!
great work