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Loki In-Depth Critique and Analysis: The Worst Marvel Show Ever


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  • DBZ BT4 Gameplay
    DBZ BT4 Gameplay 10 ай бұрын +3064

    Loki is a perfect example of unlocking the boss as a playable Character

    • HUMAN
      HUMAN 2 ай бұрын

      Still the show was great.
      This dude is delusional

    • duntrump duntru
      duntrump duntru 4 ай бұрын

      well, loki was never the boss, not considering he strugled with captain america. i think loki's fights with thor are overstated. he clearly didn't stand a chance and i don't think thor was trying all that hard.

    • Grim01
      Grim01 6 ай бұрын

      @MyNameIsJudas true , and not only that they redeem him in the worst way instead of building up to it , they just show a video .

    • lovesgibson
      lovesgibson 6 ай бұрын +1

      @Tay Diggs ??? Then what don’t you understand??? It’s referring to when you fight a boss enemy and they’re super powerful and badass, then they become a character you can use and they’re way weaker and lame.
      They’re saying that Loki was cool and powerful, then once he gets his own show they make him weak, pathetic, and lame.

    • Tay Diggs
      Tay Diggs 6 ай бұрын

      @lovesgibson I have played video games. I’m just not such a fucking nerd that I can’t use basic English to describe a thought, feeling or emotion

  • Paraone Ngatai
    Paraone Ngatai 10 ай бұрын +1881

    Loki during Avengers: Makes Cap look like nothing, fights with his brother who's 1 of the most powerful beings in the marvel universe and took brutal hits from the Hulk and came out with no broken bones.
    Loki during The Loki show: Stunned by a stick.

    • EclipsingTNT
      EclipsingTNT 13 сағат бұрын

      Keep in mind that Michael Waldron admitted that he DIDN'T watch The Avengers, and only did so in 2021, the year the show was coming out.

    • Spork
      Spork 2 ай бұрын

      @MrGreenBoy it’s quite obvious that they do. Does it really need explaining?

    • Spork
      Spork 2 ай бұрын

      @Straight White Male obviously it isn’t just a regular baton. The MCU spent a decade telling us about how powerful the infinity stones are and these guys just keep them around as paperweights. I guess 31st century batons hit a lot harder than you’d expect.

    • Straight White Male
      Straight White Male 3 ай бұрын +2

      @Nicolas Oliveira Obviously this is the real answer. I just wanna see if people can rationalize it.

  • Eat At Joe's
    Eat At Joe's 10 ай бұрын +2193

    Hell, this actually makes Wanda's story worse because the TVA pretty much doomed her to a crappy life over and over.

    • M1cha3l
      M1cha3l Ай бұрын

      @Ministry of WrongThink 9 months late but okay, explain what you mean even though youre wrong. Kang is meant to get 'out' at the end of the season and he didnt force anything but a captive audience. What did they 'make happen'? Kang says see you soon meaning a multiverse war is coming *and variants* so rinse and wait to wash cause the 31st century hasnt happened.

    • Ministry of WrongThink
      Ministry of WrongThink Ай бұрын

      @M1cha3l bro what? That’s literally what the entire show of Loki is about. They prune people for stepping on the wrong leaf. That’s the most literal definition of “make it happen” you could get

    • duntrump duntru
      duntrump duntru Ай бұрын

      @443Cosmic the tva was created by he who remains

    • 443Cosmic
      443Cosmic Ай бұрын

      He who remains not TVA, TVA just destroys anything thst interferes the timeline

    • duntrump duntru
      duntrump duntru 4 ай бұрын

      there is no proff that the mcu would be different without the tva. so asuming things could be different is a bit of an overstatement. just because the tva narrowed things to one path doesn't mean a different path would have happened without them.

  • G U D
    G U D 10 ай бұрын +1322

    The love interest bothered me the most.
    I can tell they thought "Loki can only be with someone he can never trick, so they can have trust. AHA, another trickster! He's such a a narcissist, he'll fall in love with himself!"
    No. You're wrong.
    He MUST have a counterpart he can trick. They MUST be gullible to his schemes.
    If there is never the OPTION to trick someone, then not tricking them has no meaning, there is no redemption, there is no trust.
    If there is no OPTION for abuse, then a lack of abuse has no meaning.
    The best love interests stir their own growth & the growth of the main character.
    If not a trickster, then who should Loki be with?
    Well, that great question HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. His wife in the comics(& myths), is Sigyn the goddess of loyalty. Like her, the love interest should've been a good/kind/strong/selfless person that challenged his ideals, and Loki should've been ABLE to trick her. But then CHOOSE not to. That is an eventual redemption arc AND romance arc, a perfect chance for enemies or friends to lovers, and opposing personalities for chemistry. Just one way to do it, I think the "variant" could've been his wife from another timeline where he didn't exist. A large mix of these things would've worked. But instead Loki falls in love with someone who doesn't challenge his self-centered evil pity party, and is also an ill-tempered trickster. Blegh.

    • G U D
      G U D 4 ай бұрын

      @duntrump duntru Hope you're having a good day 💞 it's all just a show, none of it's real. Have a good one

    • Saphira Mystique
      Saphira Mystique 6 ай бұрын +1

      @Tech Romancer The show explained it as she wanted to be different, and I assume she’s supposed to be using her shapeshifting ability to change her hair color, but the real reason she looks like that and goes by Sylvie is that they based her on a character in the comics that were created by Loki as a joke, Sylvie Lunshton.

    • James Marshall
      James Marshall 7 ай бұрын +1

      Very well stated, sir. This concept was explored well in Jessica Jones regarding her early relationship days with Killgrave

  • Emirhan Production
    Emirhan Production 10 ай бұрын +3059

    Loki btw not only took on Captain America, he BEAT him pretty easily. Loki is a frost giant and he is much stronger than a Super Soldier. He should've kill those guardians in train in few seconds without any struggles. Why the heck he was nerfed so badly. And of course, his character destroyed even more

    • Solution Epsilon
      Solution Epsilon 27 күн бұрын

      ​@Josiah Drunken Kung Fu.

    • Austin
      Austin 4 ай бұрын

      @Saphira Mystique bro movies and comics dont mean shit when they make a story out of it lmfaooooo. they just wanted to get rid of him

    • Knarl
      Knarl 5 ай бұрын

      @James Van Oss that makes me think he’d due better just brute forcing it

    • Mr. Grim
      Mr. Grim 5 ай бұрын +1

      Not to mention he nearly matched Thor in combat multiple times, and even defeated him once

    • Caleb Lee
      Caleb Lee 6 ай бұрын +1

      Loki lost to the agents of the organization, which actually WRITES the entire history of the mcu. For them, all wars, conflicts, all civilizations in the universe are nothing. Infinity stones are like pitiful children's toys for them. Therefore, it is not surprising that in the beginning Loki lost. And even at the end of the series, Loki was able to find Kang ONLY because he let him.

  • Ransak Reject
    Ransak Reject 10 ай бұрын +1817

    According to marvel universe Loki can lift 30 tons over his head. This was shown when he faced cap. This show actually had no idea all asgardians and frost giants have vast physical strength.

    • duntrump duntru
      duntrump duntru 4 ай бұрын

      @Sonic the asgardians are not as big as the frost giants... and the frost giants are not one set size... they vary widely from the smallest to the largest. fanally, loki is a shapeshifter. his size is likely up to him. something that could also be true for the other frost giants in the mcu

    • Sonic
      Sonic 6 ай бұрын

      @Rubi Con I never said Spider-Man or Rhino was weak.

    • Rubi Con
      Rubi Con 6 ай бұрын

      @Sonic okay, the entire discussion here was about inconsistencies. If his opponent wasn’t super strong then it wouldn’t be logical for him to struggle.

    • Sonic
      Sonic 6 ай бұрын +1

      @Rubi Con I never said he doesn't.

    • Rubi Con
      Rubi Con 6 ай бұрын

      @Sonic Spider-Man has always had superhuman strength

  • khfan4life365
    khfan4life365 10 ай бұрын +1379

    It makes me furious how Hiddleston was given the short end of the stick on this show, after being this character for ten years. Tom poured ten years of devotion to this character, and this is what he gets? Do better, Marvel.

    • Silky Johnson
      Silky Johnson Ай бұрын

      He accepted this and got money for it. I‘ll never get how you shills cry about certain things yet protect the actors who fully participate in this nonsense.
      Stop d-riding celebrities pls

    • Oliver Plougmand
      Oliver Plougmand 8 ай бұрын +1

      nah, it’s a great show and by far the best marvel has produced imo

    • Mix
      Mix 8 ай бұрын

      @Panda Boi cuz im a fan of marvel lol

    • Panda Boi
      Panda Boi 8 ай бұрын

      @Mix well they probably are talking from a perspective of people who most likely enjoyed most marvel products up till phase 4 you're talking from a perspective of someone who never really liked it so you have your opinion great but it's not exactly relevant to the current conversation in the replies or the comment itself also if you didn't like marvel products then why are still keeping up with it to point you watched the show clicked this video and scrolled through the comments section clicked this comment read and understood the replies and what's being said and post the reply in the first place just sounds like a waist of your time to me

    • Panda Boi
      Panda Boi 8 ай бұрын

      @Varun Sodhani I think he was talking about the show not the character

  • Aussie Wanderer
    Aussie Wanderer 10 ай бұрын +702

    Let's be honest and say that the MCU is too convoluted now; shows feel more like homework than actual entertainment.

    • duntrump duntru
      duntrump duntru 2 ай бұрын

      @HUMAN thats kinda like saying all american cartoons and live action shows and movies are bad, the mcu is better.

    • HUMAN
      HUMAN 2 ай бұрын

      @Daniel Zeal
      Anime is crappy lmao.
      MCU is still far better.

    • duntrump duntru
      duntrump duntru 4 ай бұрын

      @Daniel Zeal kinda depends on which anime you are watching... i feel like you have to be very specific about it or else its a weird thing to post on the internet... i mean even just one piece is more homework than the mcu.

    • Skarloey Thomas
      Skarloey Thomas 5 ай бұрын

      Year two homework of folding the washing for mum.

    • V. Va
      V. Va 7 ай бұрын +5

      Comics are homework as well. Books.

  • Lilly Trautmann
    Lilly Trautmann 6 ай бұрын +35

    This is pretty much the definition of character assassination and it’s really unfortunate because Loki is such an interesting character if he actually acts like he naturally would

  • Mickeyro
    Mickeyro 10 ай бұрын +620

    Loki also survived the hulk, a human would've been splattered all over the avengers tower from an attack like that, how is a human able to overpower loki?

    • Haelin
      Haelin Ай бұрын

      @duntrump duntru He beat the shit out of Captain America

    • InfernosReaper
      InfernosReaper 4 ай бұрын +1

      @duntrump duntru Loki's play did some damage, kickstarted the part of his plan, and had the Avengers divided and moping
      Ultimately, his plan led to them being united greater than the otherwise would have been, which kinda makes it a shame that Loki's plan wasn't really to unite them in order to screw over Thanos.

    • duntrump duntru
      duntrump duntru 4 ай бұрын

      @InfernosReaper i don't remember the part where he is beating the avengers in any of the movies... if you mean tricking them into bringing the hulk, that didn'twork even though the avengers did li5tle to stop it.

    • InfernosReaper
      InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын +5

      @Meunomenaoethiago Yep, and his battle with the frost giants and against Thor before Avengers showed his lack of skill... as long as we ignore all the parts that show his skill and experience.
      Dude bested the Avengers before finally getting taken down, mostly due to his hubris... from besting the Avengers...
      And this is right after that... why is he still so arrogant and careless...

    • Meunomenaoethiago
      Meunomenaoethiago 6 ай бұрын +9

      @Neel of course, loki has been alive for 1500 years +, but he was unnexperienced with his powers in 2012... that checks out

  • farlon muentes
    farlon muentes 10 ай бұрын +545

    when i watched this, i was like "wtf happened to loki here? this guy that plotted to end the world and kill the avengers by destroying them from inside and his pride couldn't take that an earthling smashed him to the ground was so dumb and moronic in this show" not to mention, this show takes place after the first avenger so he didn't had that build up to being the better guy like in thor ragnarok. he just saw his death and he just became this goofy, concerned for others guy. i swear, loki is the most inconsistent character in MCU.

    • Caleb Lee
      Caleb Lee 6 ай бұрын

      For many years, everyone has known that in 2012 Loki was affected by the scepter

    • Jacob Walters
      Jacob Walters 7 ай бұрын

      @Moona yes

    • Moona
      Moona 7 ай бұрын +11

      @Jacob Walters " more empathic " that one who was about to kill everyone on earth in Avengers 2012 including his brother....is more empathic than the Thor Ragnarok one ??? Lol

    • gameb9oy
      gameb9oy 8 ай бұрын +18

      Don’t worry, he watched a movie about his character arc, so that’s almost the same as getting that development

  • Lucas
    Lucas 10 ай бұрын +271

    They ruined Loki's character here. 2012 Loki is supposed to be a cunning villain but they just do away with all that by "showing" his future and then he just...accepts it and becomes Silvie's lap dog.

    • harsh kumarf
      harsh kumarf 28 күн бұрын

      he was not just cunning .. he alwyas had that "good side" and in TRA he saw his own future ,,, of course he is going to get affected ,,,

  • Snake Was Right
    Snake Was Right 10 ай бұрын +975

    Like most properties these days, the best thing about them BY FAR is the music. For some reason, composers are still competent.
    The Loki music is incredible. Much like Rey's theme from new star wars, the music is on another level, while the writing is beyond amateur.

    • Sofia Dragon
      Sofia Dragon 7 ай бұрын

      @D W The set designs for Marvel are always on point... when it isn't green screen hell. All the practical effects look stunning. The CGI is, well, when you rush through a project understaffed, overworked, and underpaid because VFX is un- unionized... you get what you pay for.

    • Logxcabinxninja
      Logxcabinxninja 8 ай бұрын

      @PreparatorySchool in my opinion its not memorable and also bad. ive never finished watching something and been disappointed in the score like kenobi

    • PreparatorySchool
      PreparatorySchool 8 ай бұрын

      @Logxcabinxninja in terms of the scores being memorable I would agree. However that doesn’t make the score itself bad

    • Logxcabinxninja
      Logxcabinxninja 8 ай бұрын +1

      @PreparatorySchool nah the kenobi score is terrible, might have okay moments but kenobi is by far the worst scored star wars project

    • Falcon Hoof
      Falcon Hoof 8 ай бұрын

      @Snake Was Right is woke in the room with us rn?

  • spicy toast
    spicy toast 10 ай бұрын +147

    I think the thing that pissed me off the most was when loki and sylvie caused the nexus event on a planet that was going to be destroyed.. They said it was because Loki "fell in love with himself"... sounds like a completely bs made up reason that they pulled out of their ass.

    • spicy toast
      spicy toast 27 күн бұрын +2

      @Sofia Dragon that's a much more interesting way of looking at it actually.

    • harsh kumarf
      harsh kumarf 28 күн бұрын


    • Haelin
      Haelin Ай бұрын +1

      @Sofia Dragon Oh that actually makes a lot of sense

    • Darth Dragonborn
      Darth Dragonborn 2 ай бұрын +1

      @FreeBarbecue No the cube melted through the ship and at the end of the movie it shows Howard Stark find it with a sub in his search for cap, hence why Fury had it in the credit scene of Thor 1, which was before cap was even found. This shows suck but you’re wrong as fuck lol

    • Sofia Dragon
      Sofia Dragon 7 ай бұрын +6

      The Nexus event was them accepting death. That isn't Kang's plan, they have to reach him, so giving up causes Kang to hit the panic button and make the TVA go pick them up.
      I was 99% sure of that while listening to him monolog in the last episode and the kiss caught me by surprise because didn't they just go over in detail that he paved the way for them to get to him?

  • supremebuu
    supremebuu 10 ай бұрын +310

    You've put more thought into this show in the first 15 mins than the writers did the entire show

  • DiarrhoeaIsUnbreakable
    DiarrhoeaIsUnbreakable 11 ай бұрын +562

    Tbh Classic Loki (Richard E Grant Loki) is probably the most interesting character in the show. He’s had a strong character arc (of course that’s not saying much) and showed how good the main Loki could have been had he not been undermined by Sylvie.

    • stephanie
      stephanie 9 ай бұрын

      @luke yznaga didn't loki and sylvie both enchant alioth tho. Yah the execution could be better but why put it on sylvie again?

    • luke yznaga
      luke yznaga 9 ай бұрын +1

      Yeah, that is right DiarrhoealsUnbreakable! many fans and critics like "hotcrap popular" John Campea and Grace RAndolph can't understand that idea of Richard Grant. LOOK WHAT HE did. And yet the WRITERS didn't really use him in the story. HE BECOMES a temporary hero/sacrifice while the main Loki (weak male, main character ) does NOTHING. But everything was about Sylvie.

    • The Mad Titan
      The Mad Titan 10 ай бұрын +2

      @stephanie Yes, I especially agree with delving deeper into other genres like most of WandaVision, Eternals, and Moon Knight and Black Panther (regardless of what people think of that film) is what the MCU should do if they aim to make their projects more individual and/or distinct. Because while they say that's what they do with a lot of their projects, it's often only them dabbling in these other genres but having the same fundamental plot structure, "general tone" and method of approaching characters.

    • stephanie
      stephanie 10 ай бұрын

      @The Mad Titan i totally agree. Kinda want for them to tap into different genres now. Whatever does justice to the character, irrespective of the MCU moving forward or popular comic book runs being adapted. Just a good story. And palpable execution/adaptation.
      We have MK dealing with gods and stuff but their writing is smart and thus manages to portray the protagonist, the supporting characters and the final showdown without undermining any one. It isn't perfect but it works, while the loki show essentially lacks nuance and subtlety in it's execution, even tho their plot and characters hold mad potential!
      Episode 6 is very meta. Only if the writers were honest towards Sylvie's story, it'd be perfect in my books.

    • The Mad Titan
      The Mad Titan 10 ай бұрын +6

      @stephanie One of my disappointments with the MCU's Disney+ shows are how plot-driven they are. While I don't think that's a inherently bad way to write a story, given how already much of their movies are that way, I expected their shows to take advantage of their longer runtime and have their stories be driven more by the exploration and actions of the protagonist(s).
      My point in relation to 'LOKI' is that I agree that both Sylvie and Loki's arcs were underserved by the shows script (the former suffers from this more given that this is her first MCU appearance) and I think one of the many reasons that was the case was that the series like most other MCU D+ projects, is more concerned with the world-building of the timeline, TVA and building up the mystery behind the Time Keepers and then later He Who Remains with sparse moments of character "building" showing Loki and Sylvie bonding, but nothing much more fulfilling from a characterization standpoint imo
      I'd generally attribute the MCU's usual insistence on the 6-epsiode template for most of their shows on why they feel unfleshed out and have rushed finales but not Loki. I think in its case, 6 episodes would've been sufficient for telling a more compelling and narratively enriching storyline with more character depth, it's the way they used them and what they decided to focus them on that I think led to Loki's underwhelming characterization.

  • The Dead side of YouTube
    The Dead side of YouTube 10 ай бұрын +701

    As a bisexual myself I was kinda insulted they'd use something like that just as a token gesture for the writer's own wish fulfilment.
    Loki is an amazing character and they just made him a simp without any of his trademark intelligence or opportunistic nature that we love.

    • Silky Johnson
      Silky Johnson Ай бұрын

      If you‘re bi + female = nice
      If you‘re bi + male = ew

    • necho cat
      necho cat 4 ай бұрын

      kinda late , bit if it makes you feel better loko os kinda like zeus for norse myths, having children with a ton of beings one of the weirder ones is when loki got pregnant and gave birth to sleipnir the horse of odin

    • InfernosReaper
      InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын

      @Elfire II no, it's incest, because even though she is *technically* a loki, she's genetically different enough to be *not* the same as loki, but still genetically related, hence incest
      hell, even if you did it with a full clone of yourself, that's still incest because you're genetically related. it's weird how people try to pretend like stuff is something different and special when it's really not

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын

      @DarkMoonGeneral Yeah it really was, raise your standards.

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын

      @Copper Moth They're literally THE SAME PERSON.

  • A.D Suri
    A.D Suri 10 ай бұрын +718

    I have a theory that Mobius is actually a human variant of Lightning McQueen.
    Go on. Prove me wrong. I dare you. 😤👌

  • InDeathWeLove
    InDeathWeLove 10 ай бұрын +574

    We know you loved the smart witty charismatic trickster that is Loki enough to make a whole show around his character. Now watch us turn him in to an idiot that doesn't use trickery, forgets his powers and learns his lessons by getting his ass kicked by women over and over again unto one finally kicking him in the balls over and over.

    • harsh kumarf
      harsh kumarf 28 күн бұрын

      i liked the new loki instead of showing that same usual dumb trickster who gets beaten up badly we get to see a new loki ,, infact it was not a new loki it was the other side of loki that we always new existed ,, he tried to be cunning in tra ,, but when you are shown your own future over and over then you will get affected by it and much more so when you tried to suppress that side ,,, LOVED THSI SERIES ,,

    • Pilar
      Pilar 7 ай бұрын +4

      @Elizabeth King but it's literally only the women who beat him up like that. It's done on purpose to "empower" women. I don't pretend to speak for all women, I'm sure some like it and do feel empowered, but I don't. I think it's annoying and it ruins good storytelling.

    • Pilar
      Pilar 7 ай бұрын +3

      @prognastat What I can't get over is how Loki knows exactly what Sif is going to do everytime after the first time and he just...takes it. He doesn't move away, he doesn't try to block her blows, he just lets her kick him over and over again. I can't believe people get paid to write shit like this.

    • Flagger
      Flagger 7 ай бұрын +13

      @hotcrossmybuns although I do agree the calling the women part was unnecessary, I don’t think anyone here would have a problem if it was Scarlet Witch defeating Loki because that’s coherent with the pre-stablished power levels of the MCU. But humans out of nowhere de-powering the avengers level threat was just lazy writing.
      Also, that kicked in the groin thing was so unnecessary. I don’t think I would enjoy seeing a female hero in her titular show be constantly bitchslaped and humiliated only by her male counterparts and it be played for the lols.

  • En
    En 9 ай бұрын +216

    I honestly blame Loki's character falling apart on Thor Ragnarok. It was a good movie, but it kind of opened the gate to him being less ruthless/intense and more comedic then the show just made it worse.

    • AlphaDevil2018
      AlphaDevil2018 7 ай бұрын +4

      Another problem is that technically, this variant of Loki never experienced the events of Thor Ragnarok, or any movie after 2012 Avengers for that matter.

    • L1LE1
      L1LE1 7 ай бұрын +5

      @Joyful Sorrow His redemption seems to also naturally start when he's felt that he's been truly forgiven and acknowledged. Frankly, in Ragnarok, that being from Odin and Thor.
      Learning that his father figure, Odin, still considered Loki as his son despite all the villainy and trickery. Also that Thor finally accepts who Loki is as an individual (Yes, in the elevator). Both these scenes playing a role in his character development. All coming to a head, to when he willingly assists in saving the Asgardians.
      I honestly don't understand why there's an argument to say that Loki's character was "destroyed" in Ragnarok. That's just false. Any time Loki is "comedic", is usually when he's not trying to be funny at all, but it just is. He's justified to be pissed after falling for thirty minutes, and he's justified in being somewhat traumatised after being slammed like a rag doll to where he wants to get off the planet. The problem was that they went too far with it to where it felt unnatural, to where he became rather incompetent as a result.

    • Joyful Sorrow
      Joyful Sorrow 7 ай бұрын +3

      Yep. I think Loki's character became less interesting from then on. I think his redemption actually started during Dark World, but there the route it took made more sense, and Thor was the comedic character there which he had always been... so it worked. Sure, the Dark World had many issues, but I think if they kept much of the tone and the characterisation of Loki and just worked his redemption from there in the way that would have made sense for that Loki, that would have been a bit more respectful to his character, imo.

    • L1LE1
      L1LE1 8 ай бұрын +8

      It would definitely fall apart when the family issues that took a part in his character were sorted in Ragnarok.
      The development is basically gone at that point.

    • Flávio Monteiro
      Flávio Monteiro 8 ай бұрын +26

      Agreed, Ragnarok undermine his character

  • Old King Spook
    Old King Spook 10 ай бұрын +570

    Loki was the only show I had any interest in for phase four. The first episode completely shattered any investment I had in the character. This is not Loki. This is a poor substitute for the mischievous chaotic genius seen in the rest of the MCU. How a character is treated on screen is how the audience will think of them, it's why I could never take Kylo Ren seriously, because the first main character to interact with him immediately treated him like a joke. Loki became the punchline of his own series and I'm not tuning in to season two to watch him get treated like garbage.

    • Walrus Grande
      Walrus Grande 5 ай бұрын

      @Radical Reactions there’s nothing in my comments that you could be saying that was Sylvie to. You’re incredibly late on the topic as well.

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын +1

      @Jaideep Shekhar He's still my favorite because I know that this character ISN'T him, so I disregard it. The same way I disregard Arrow because of all the cheap clones they have in that shit show, and this show will go the same way, it's already started.

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын +2

      @David Martinez He beat both Captain America and Thor. He dumped Cap THREE TIMES in one fight.

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын +1

      @Walrus Grande Once again, that WAS SYLVIE.

  • Totally Acting
    Totally Acting 10 ай бұрын +426

    I felt like Loki wasn’t the Loki we’ve known for 10 years and it’s kinda dumb too. I completely forgot it even existed after finishing watching. The mcu is terrible now and critics are still giving good ratings (not eternals)

    • Rotten Rice
      Rotten Rice 5 ай бұрын

      @Walrus Grande cap

    • k
      k 8 ай бұрын

      @Walrus Grande 😬

    • Walrus Grande
      Walrus Grande 8 ай бұрын

      @F real talk. Thousands of contrarians in these comments. It’s wild.

    • Walrus Grande
      Walrus Grande 8 ай бұрын

      The show is great.

    • Genevieve Roy
      Genevieve Roy 9 ай бұрын +15

      @F maybe some of us are upset greedy people are ruining our favorite series

  • Brittany
    Brittany 8 ай бұрын +45

    Also, regarding Pompeii, may I also point out that only 10% of the population died? So that whole “no survivors” thing doesn’t work for that event either.

  • MM
    MM 11 ай бұрын +822

    I think the mistake is loki falling in love with himself. Loki is to arrogant for that. Loki loved himself more than anything( not a variant). Remember this is the same person who killed his own younger self because he loves his version and his alone. Loki has never gotten along with other versions of himself. In fact he doesn't even like other versions of himself to be happy because he feels it reflects on himself

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын

      @• Kittycat814 • Exactly!

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын

      @ֺ What do you mean TURN a relationship toxic with Mobius and Loki? It ALREADY WAS. Mobius manipulates, belittles, gaslights, and guilt-trips Loki about EVERYTHING, sounds a lot like Odin - the malignant Narc.

    • Ransak Reject
      Ransak Reject 5 ай бұрын

      @Radical Reactions So what if I’m blind? What’s my disability got to do with this?
      When u can hear the TV but are making dinner in the kitchen.. do u have no idea what’s going on?
      I can hear just fine

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын

      @jadedpotato Yeah, because Mobius isn't a cheap copy of his NARCISSISTICALLY abusive Dad.

    • Radical Reactions
      Radical Reactions 5 ай бұрын

      @stephanie Trash, they're LITERALLY THE SAME PERSON.

  • Nia Niam
    Nia Niam 8 ай бұрын +35

    i'm just mad because of all the wasted potential. i wanted to see a strong, powerful loki (finally!) doing mischief and using his MAGIC. imagine what they could have done if they did let him cause trouble in the past as many guessed it would be. instead, they give him a childish story in which he wasn't even the main character.

    CINEMAJESTIC 10 ай бұрын +584

    The problem with all of these Disney+ shows (and most marvel movies now tbh) is that they’re more interested in progressing the universe than telling a good story.
    That, and they hire creators with little to no experience with comics or movies, or writing TV; for as much as Marvel advertised Loki’s showrunner as being a writer on Rick & Morty, he literally only wrote 1 episode, and it was in season 4, and it was the toilet seat episode… not bad, but this is what convinces marvel to hire him for an entire show??

    • Alex Dawson
      Alex Dawson 6 ай бұрын +1

      @Maria I know! I'm getting really sick and tired of writers who don't bother to do research anymore, with a lot of Dan Harmon's staple of writers beings major culprits of that, I've noticed.

    • Alex Dawson
      Alex Dawson 6 ай бұрын +1

      @St Chef Right!? It bugs me to no end that Multiverse of Madness never goes into how Stephen is dealing with the aftermath of The Blip. You'd think of any character in the MCU whose perspective you'd explore Post-Blip it'd be, you know, the instigator? Especially because Stephen clearly regrets what he did!? But nope! All we get is people being mad at him for letting Thanos win (which I honestly don't mind), and one line where he defends himself.
      Really makes me think Waldron is one of those who either doesn't understand how trauma affects people, nor does he care to understand. Mainly because he's either so new to writing he hasn't really fine tuned his craft...or he's a lazy, intellectually incurious person who's not interested in how others feel.

    • ExeErdna
      ExeErdna 7 ай бұрын +2

      @David Martinez Yup it's Ragnarok because they threw away World War and Worldbreaker Hulk stories just to give Thor something to do. Which now gimps anything Hulk can do in the future outside of Devil Hulk which I know they're too chickenshit to do. All because they outright refuse to buy Hulk's rights from Universal. To be real Thor is the weakest link of the MCU yet he has the most content.

    • Flávio Monteiro
      Flávio Monteiro 8 ай бұрын +3

      @St Chef It's treated as a Joke see Far from home... The teacher e telling about his wife only to land as crude attempt as of a joke...

  • Calico Marker
    Calico Marker 8 ай бұрын +178

    One thing that heavily let me down in this show was the confirmation of Loki being Genderfluid and the mishandling of said representation, or in better words, lack of handling. Most people don’t know but as pointed out by many medias, in the first episode on a file the TVA has about Loki, it states his Gender is Fluid. Great, so why can’t the TVA or any other Loki wrap their mind around the evil Loki Variant being a female?
    If the TVA are stated to know Loki’s Gender Identity before Loki himself knows it than they should be able to take into account that the Loki their dealing with may not present or even be male, but they don’t. Atleast their not shocked like the 6 other Loki variants we see who all act like a Female Loki is terrifying despite the fact that CANNONLY, THEY ARE ALL GENDERFLUID. WHAT.
    If this show wasn’t actively written with the thought process of Loki being genderfluid it should have never been edited into the show, point blank period. Everything the show does contradicts it’s tacked on half-assed take on representation, and that’s not even heading the part where they made their “Genderfluid” Bi Representation a villain who dies multiple times and falls in love with himself.
    I hate this show so much

    • Teresa r
      Teresa r 6 ай бұрын +7

      @Calico Marker Its more annoying when you consider they decided to use it at all and then contradict it. Worse than not adding it at all.

    • Teresa r
      Teresa r 6 ай бұрын +4

      To the other lokis: "Have you ever met a woman version of us?"

    • Red Sun
      Red Sun 7 ай бұрын +1

      @Calico Marker You saying it needs to be relevant is tantamount to it needing a justification. Why does it need to be relevant to the show. If I have a explicitly bisexual character why does that need to be relevant

    • Calico Marker
      Calico Marker 7 ай бұрын +7

      @Red Sun it doesn’t need a justification persay but it does need to be relevant to the story. Loki being Bisexual means nothing if we have never been previously shown his attraction towards any gender and will continue to not be shown it. There’s no point in it. If I’m being honest tho idec about Loki cannonly being bi, yaaay, les go, a step closer to the comics, it’s him being Genderfluid I have problem with for that exact reason stated before, it’s not relevant to the story, it should be relevant to the story but it’s not because Marvel didn’t think of how Loki being Genderfluid could change the trajectory of the show.

    • Red Sun
      Red Sun 7 ай бұрын

      @Calico Marker Why does their need to be a justification for representation.

  • joker ledger
    joker ledger 8 ай бұрын +11

    Man don't call it the worse. Writers and directors usually take it as a challenge to find new lows. Ms Marvel and She Hulk is challenging that bar.

    • joker ledger
      joker ledger 8 ай бұрын +2

      @ListIsDead No worries, my interest just stop after End Game. I tried to get into some shows, like Wandavision or FnW, it was good, at first, then it take a nose dive and not very subtle about its message, same for subsequent shows, it start off good, but the pattern repeat. And they are bumping out new shows like every year (?), I just can't bother anymore. Familiarity breed contempt.

    • ListIsDead
      ListIsDead 8 ай бұрын

      @joker ledger ah fair then, misread. i guess so considering the quality drastically dropping. moon knight was pretty good

    • joker ledger
      joker ledger 8 ай бұрын +4

      @ListIsDead i said challenging the bar, i never say they are worse then this, and if you like them kudos to you. I dont know what you are trying to prove.

    • ListIsDead
      ListIsDead 8 ай бұрын +1

      she hulk hasnt even came out, ms marvel was actually pretty good so idk what ur tryna prove there

  • GippyHappy
    GippyHappy 8 ай бұрын +18

    I feel bad because I really want to like this show because of how much I love Loki and Tom Hiddleston. When I first watched it, I saw the problems, but I just tried to ignore them because it hurts to see him butchered so bad I just want to pretend it’s good even though it isn’t.
    And I hate Sylvie. Why why why why give Loki a generic love interest and strip him of all the personality that made us love him to elevate HER as cool and tough? This is “LOKI” not “SYLVIE”.
    This show really breaks my heart. It’s not fun to hate, it just makes me sad.

    • GippyHappy
      GippyHappy 6 ай бұрын +2

      @That girl on comment section
      the fandom: This year I lost my dear Loki
      Loki: quit telling everyone I'm dead!
      the fandom: sometimes I can still hear his voice

    • That girl on comment section
      That girl on comment section 6 ай бұрын +2

      Same it really makes me sad too when i have to watch tiktok videos of loki when i miss him when he has a whole show.

  • ChangesOfTomorrow
    ChangesOfTomorrow 8 ай бұрын +13

    I was so disappointed with the show and frankly shocked it was allegedly well received. They destroyed Loki's character, too away all that made him a beloved character

  • Transy
    Transy 8 ай бұрын +6

    I hated what they did to Loki’s character and I hated how the writers came up with “oh yeah he’s gonna date himself.” Everyone in the entire show was just like yeah, that’s weird. They have the same mother and it’s basically is selfcest, so I don’t get why they thought that was a good idea. I have an idea don’t have love interest or have one that isn’t related towards him in anyway.
    Also before they kissed, Loki was literally ignoring the fact that they’re the same person and that she could feel the exact same things as him because they’re the same person. Then they kissed 🤢

    • I guess
      I guess 6 ай бұрын +3

      Imagine being so desperate that you start dating your other self lol

    • -Postapokalypso -
      -Postapokalypso - 8 ай бұрын

      ah youre one of those people xD

  • GhostLink92
    GhostLink92 9 ай бұрын +68

    I think Fringy had a good point in his Endgame review. The rules of time travel set forth by both Endgame and Loki are inherently incompatible. That said, he had the luxury of ignoring Loki's rules since it came out after Endgame. Endgame sets the standard, even if it breaks its own rules, which it does.
    When analyzing Loki, we don't have that luxury. The rules of time travel set by Loki cannot coexist with Endgame.
    I hate how much of a mess the MCU is right now. Endgame needed to set the standard for time travel (or just fucking avoid it, which would've been the sensible route), Loki should've expanded on the concept, and set up the Multiverse, and MoM should've expanded on that.
    Multiverse is the new Infinity Stones, and they've already blundered it.

  • Error 404
    Error 404 8 ай бұрын +10

    It's really a shame cause Loki is a lot of people's favourite character. What I really hate about the show is the TVA and how Loki goes from being a powerful god to weak and falling in love with his alternate self which felt so forced and out of place. I hated it

  • KidKinsey
    KidKinsey 10 ай бұрын +89

    The first 20 minutes of this review is exactly why I'm iffy on time travel. It's SOOOOO easy to mess up the continuity and stuff

  • That one guy
    That one guy 10 ай бұрын +133

    Even though I really liked Loki, I agree that these problems are really frustrating, the big one being that it focuses on Loki at first then moves to TVA and Sylvie, and moved back to Loki at the end

    • Goose Gas
      Goose Gas 6 ай бұрын

      @ֺ She's only slightly different!

    • ֺ
      ֺ 8 ай бұрын +1

      @Dagg3r The directors themselves would disagree tbh
      They literally said it themselves, "Sylvie is her own person. She's different. She's a variation of Loki, yes. But she has her own thoughts and ideals too. She's not the same as him."

    • Dagg3r
      Dagg3r 8 ай бұрын

      @Straight White Male right! Straight white males get me

    • Self
      Self 10 ай бұрын +1

      @Dagg3r 🤣🤣 that was hilarious

  • Radd Dronzy
    Radd Dronzy 8 ай бұрын +17

    Also if the TVA makes everyone loose their powers inside it then why Loki is not in his original frost giant form?

    • Kiyo!
      Kiyo! 5 ай бұрын +2

      In my opinion, I think they literally just forgot that Loki is a Frost Giant, there hasn't been anything much-related to him being a Frost Giant since Thor 1..

  • Levi
    Levi Ай бұрын +4

    The problem i have with is loki’s fights, loki could’ve EASILY taken out the tva with not only his strength but his magic, and considering the feats he’s shown in the books, he’s really nerfed

  • Conan the Librarian
    Conan the Librarian 10 ай бұрын +75

    Neat video. This show as a whole is bad, most noticeably because of character assassination of Loki. You pointed out the flaws perfectly.
    Still, I have fond memories of watching this show as it triggered some quite deep thoughts about the nature of free will and made me quit the job I hated to pursue my dreams. It worked out quite well. Funny but true.
    I also enjoyed the soundtrack and visuals very much. One can only imagine how good this show could be with better script.

  • Joshua Wright
    Joshua Wright 8 ай бұрын +7

    Remember all the other Loki variants that have been pruned/transported to that place? Even though the TVA is a bunch of human variants with prune sticks, they have successfully caught and pruned EVERY LOKI SHOWN.
    This whole series seems like a fan fiction the more I think of it. Sylvie is the only Loki that has surpassed the TVA, but seems to only have enchantment as her uniqueness(besides being a female).
    She enchants a cloud that would consume anything it touches, but she can only enchant people through physical contact.
    Even if Kang is more powerful than... idk, everyone. We haven't even seen any of his innate abilities to actually see him as a threat, especially since he voluntarily gives up his throne/position, with a nonthreatening demeanor, like the Wizard of Oz
    The TVA headquarters looked like an entire city, but whole time during the fight between Loki, Sylvie, and the "Time Keepers", there's no alarm or rushing for support/backup.

  • J B
    J B 9 ай бұрын +46

    I'm aware that Marvel movie lore is now separate from its comic counterpart, however I just assumed that they would treat infinity stones with the same magic/scifi rules which is that infinity stones cannot be used outside their own dimensions.
    So even if Thanos came to the organization he wouldn't be able to use any of the infinity stones that were not a part of his dimension. However the reason why I think that might not be the case now in the movie lore is because of the "WHAT IF..." animated series since Ultron used infinity stones outside his dimension 🤷

  • Dragon Lord
    Dragon Lord 7 ай бұрын +6

    FINALLY!!!! SOME THAT SHARES MY OPINIONS ON LOKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am actually being dead serious right now! I have the exact same opinions and criticisms about Loki that you mentioned!!!

    • Dragon Lord
      Dragon Lord 7 ай бұрын

      @The Enrichment Critic thanks!! I'm happy to be here!!!😅

    • The Enrichment Critic
      The Enrichment Critic  7 ай бұрын +3

      Welcome to the Club We are happy you are here :)

  • ThePreciseClimber
    ThePreciseClimber 10 ай бұрын +59

    Feels like this is the fate of any franchise where they just keep adding and adding more narrative content. Instead of sticking to a certain limited scope with beginning, middle and end, wrapping the story conclusively and letting it rest. (like Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, for example)
    Of course this kind of approach doesn't GUARANTEE a good story but it's a very important first step. Any story can benefit from these two things, I think - a skeleton (some sort of basic plan of where the story is meant to go and how it's meant to end) and a proper, conclusive, definitive ending (so no unnecessary spin-offs, sequels, prequels, whatever).

    • marslara
      marslara 8 ай бұрын +4

      ​@Tech Romancer I think they mean the opposite, it's not going the FMA route and giving it a complete storyline, they're going the Naruto route and accidently running the consistency of characters and plot into the ground.

    • Tech Romancer
      Tech Romancer 9 ай бұрын +1

      What's wrong with FMA Brotherhood?

  • E. Rose Willis
    E. Rose Willis 8 ай бұрын +40

    A minor, ultimately pointless character design flaw that really bugs me about this show: Hiddleston grew out his own hair to play Loki, rather than wear a wig. And I really appreciate the dedication to being in character. But Hiddleston's hairline has retreated just a little bit, and it makes Loki look like he aged about a decade in the five minutes since he took the tesseract. Nothing anyone could do about it, and I suppose I actually prefer this to having Hiddleston in a wig, but it is a nitpicky thing that bugs me.

    • Drayko Hunter
      Drayko Hunter Ай бұрын

      Always did love his hair back then

  • Nik does stuff
    Nik does stuff 8 ай бұрын +2

    Kang having the time keepers as statues makes perfect sense, they're his OCs and he likes them very much

  • YoMrRice
    YoMrRice 9 ай бұрын +18

    I just want to point out that Loki was in possession of the Mind Stone and used it throughout the Avengers so he very well should know how to control people through magic just like Sylvie

  • 『W E A T H E R B O Y』
    『W E A T H E R B O Y』 10 ай бұрын +35

    This show doesn't only make most stuff happening before it redundant, but it also breaks not only established mcu logic/lore, but the logic of ITS. OWN. SHOW. If all of the stuff the Avengers did in endgame was pre-planned by kang, then tony getting hit so loki could get the tesseract would also have to have been planned, otherwise the avengers wouldn't have had a single reason to go back to a different time in order to obtain it. And if that somehow wasn't planned, then how come cap and tony weren't arrested by them? They would have gone back to a time they shouldn't have been allowed to be in, which would make them variants, no?

  • Atomic Pancake
    Atomic Pancake 8 ай бұрын +34

    I was sincerely expecting to watch a series where Loki was finally the protagonist, to see him flourish as a character since he has only been used as a villain/comic relief/motivation for his brother in the movies. too bad this series didn’t give me anything that wasn’t a couple or good scenes, cool aesthetic, good soundtrack, and Owen Wilson.
    Even worse, this series took away meaning from a character i was expecting to cherish even more.
    also, i’m lgbt+, and that bisexuality line turned out to feel like a big slap in the face of the audience, especially fans who are part of the community. Loki has some decent lgbt+ canon in the comics (and, a-ehm, in the mythology itself!) but seeing it written so poorly in the series, and seeing it praised as the most progressive statement disney could make, only makes me hate the series even more.
    all the more that disney itself is known to shove into oblivion the really good series who picture lgbt+ characters 1000 times better (the owl house mention was unexpected and much appreciated!)

  • Summer Tyme
    Summer Tyme 8 ай бұрын +26

    "TVA has taken multiple stones and the realities don't branch"
    Yes this comes about for the reason that you mentioned. The writer Michael Waldron's baby is the TVA - so he is trying to turn them into badasses. He decided he would make Loki and the Infinity Stones look like 'bullshix' - his words by the way - in order to make us pay attention to his baby. I'm not even going to comment on this beyond telling you why the Infinity Stones are useless pieces of junk in the TVA's drawer per Michael Waldron.

    • Anders Husmo
      Anders Husmo 7 ай бұрын +1

      So he actually made the TVA the fictional organization equivalent of a fanfic self insert Mary Sue? Great...

  • Joyful Sorrow
    Joyful Sorrow 7 ай бұрын +15

    In advance of watching this I will say that I hate how:
    - They nerfed him
    - They humiliate him time and time again and forget what makes him such a fun villain and a compelling character for the sake of comedy because apparently they're uncreative now.
    - They basically shoved him into a bad wattpad fanfiction - and that's an insult to wattpad fanfiction, imo.
    - They had him get buff when part of his aesthetic appeal and what makes him stand out in contrast to Thor is that he's slender... and all that for some fanservice shorts?
    - They basically replace him with all those variants including a Mary Sue-esque female Loki variant who isn't even called Loki like what???
    - They got him to date himself in female form basically which I think took away the opportunity for the other half to be a positive influence on him - not to change him, people change themselves, they can't just be changed at the drop of a hat by someone... just encourage him to be like "and you know what, this probably isn't the best way to go about life" and then stumble towards a better solution, kind of like Frigga's affection made him want to avenge her and made him, if reluctantly, join forces with his brother again. (Even if he also ultimately utilised it to steal he throne for himself, that was still kind of progress. And that kind of progress is probably always going to be slow and flawed, but that's also what keeps us on the edge of our seats.)
    - His bit with the character that basically could have been another good influence and adoptive father figure in his life was cut short imo...
    With a stretch you could say that he doesn't enjoy hurting people, he just enjoys the power and how it makes him feel like he's no longer just a shadow of anyone and that makes him feel a thrill without him necessarily needing to be a sadist... and with another stretch you could say that the sadist within him is influenced by the Thanos' and The Other's grip on him, BUT even then, the statement doesn't feel accurate, because he still takes SOMETHING from subjugating people and subjecting them to whatever violence he chooses in order to get what he wants - violence that didn't necessarily need to be part of the equation. In the very least he does not care that he hurt people when it isn't someone he doesn't already have a bond with. So... he's not a complete psychopath but he absolutely has some of those tendencies where he can shut off or even get a thrill out of things which should not thrill people or be ignored... And from THERE you could say he is redeemable, but not by making him out to be an innocent puppy. He is not an innocent puppy. He's endured his fair share of suffering but some of it was influenced or caused by him and even if the TVA would not have let him make any other choice, his actions were still one of his choices, no matter what they were influenced by. But how that scene is written seeks to strip away any remaining autonomy he has, any accountability and prevents Loki from developing in a meaninngful way where he goes from being this borderline antisocial (and I don't mean this as in "loner" or "awkward" I mean this as him struggling with empathy and remorse towards anyone who isn't Frigga and being a massively destructive bastard who is - no matter how much I like him - a menace to society and that's just reality) character to someone much more admirable, stable and hopefully even empathetic. Would be a nice slap in the face to the TVA, showing them that they can't dictate what Loki or anyone else will be and it could be done so much better than it was.
    Also, Loki TELLS us he doesn't enjoy hurting people but... LOKI is a LIAR. In order for us to BELIEVE that was the case, we'd have to see that in action, proof that actually maybe it was just a facade, or that it was influenced by the control The Other or Thanos had over him. I love him but he IS a liar, there is no reason why we should believe that statement, no matter how much he's crying his eyes out because... he's the God of lies and mischief. He's telling this to Mobius who he could just be trying to manipulate into helping him. If only the audience could see his pain it would be slightly more believable because Loki is not aware of an audience and therefore, if he were expressing something on his own to himself it would have been more likely to be genuine. But with Mobius he has an audience that he is aware of. And we're aware that he's aware of it. Or we should be, anyway. So even disregarding the obvious pointers to the fact that he's lying from the previous movies, the decisions here are terrible because what could have been - if weak - an excuse for his reactions back then was never utilised, his scene doesn't feel genuine and this is coming from someone who has insencerity in his nature.
    Also, Loki might feel self-loathing but that's not something you resolve by making him fall in love with himself like that. That's basically narcissism. Self love does not have a romantic angle. It's just an acceptance of oneself, acknowledgement of ones faults and weaknesses but also their strengths.
    In response to none of the previous movies now mattering: Okay, but I think this whole phase of marvel with the different terrible shows and whatnot is definitely more of a Disney decision and without Disney taking up Marvel maybe this would have been handled with a little more care if nothing else. Because this show does not feel like the product of a studio that knows and loves the previous creations it made. I agree, this show makes the other movies feel redundant, which makes me wish that the show never existed. But I also think the reason behind this is more Disney than Marvel.
    ALSO what an insult to Holding out for a Hero. It should not belong into a series like this, it deserved better.
    Whenever I felt hyped and enjoyed the show it was because Loki was being Loki. Oh, and I guess I also liked Croco Loki, but... eh. Looking back the rest was lame. But that alone I guess made me desperate because I did go back on imdb to realise I rated that frickin' show 9/10... when now, having fully digested it all... I wouldn't rate it anything about a 5 and that's me being generous.
    Okay, Miss Minutes spouts BS but I do like her in concept, especially with that voice. Tara Strong is one of my favourite voice actresses, honestly.
    Okay BUT they might not note down regular things that would be found in those events, but a Kablooie candy could have been an abnormality there and could have been noted down as such. It would not have altered events in the sense that no extra person would have survived thanks to it, but it would not have fit in with the rest of the stuff from that timeline because it wasn't supposed to exist there. In that sense, the cross referencing could work to confirm a suspicion... but it probably wouldn't help in predicting when and where exactly to find Sylphie next, I don't think.
    This show did everyone who worked on all those previous wonderful stories so dirty.

  • Michael Casey
    Michael Casey 10 ай бұрын +46

    Wow, I literally used Usain Bolt as an example when talking about the problems with this show with a friend, good to see it

    • Michael Casey
      Michael Casey 10 ай бұрын +7

      So true. I mean they're less intimidating than an normal police force. At least they have guns and cars lol! I also wanted to say that I watched three of your critiques and I have to say that the time and effort you put into your work is fantastic, keep up the great work!

    • The Enrichment Critic
      The Enrichment Critic  10 ай бұрын +13

      I know right? Like if an automobile can be used to outrun Oliath as Mobius demonstrated, then can a similar premise be applied to the TVA? I mean, they don't have guns or anything we know of they can use to catch a fleeing variant so....

  • Freindlyneighborhoodspidey
    Freindlyneighborhoodspidey 10 ай бұрын +67

    The fact this is the only mcu show to have a confirmed S2 is sad to me, wandavision dosent need one, it was simple and sweet, tfatws could definitely have a S2 and hawkeye could benifits from a S2 too

    • Freindlyneighborhoodspidey
      Freindlyneighborhoodspidey 8 ай бұрын

      @Straight White Male ur profile picture tells me everything I need to know about you 😐

    • Freindlyneighborhoodspidey
      Freindlyneighborhoodspidey 10 ай бұрын +3

      @Paulo Junior I respect your opinion, but in my opinion it was great

    • Paulo Junior
      Paulo Junior 10 ай бұрын +2

      @Freindlyneighborhoodspidey I didn't think it was great. It definitely had good moments and it was unique, but for all its mystery and appearance of complexity, it was simple. I expected more from the answers. They made it seem that the answers would be mindblowing, and didn't deliver.

    • Freindlyneighborhoodspidey
      Freindlyneighborhoodspidey 10 ай бұрын +6

      @Paulo Junior wandavision was great too, it's just the toxic fans that ruin it

  • Luis Amador
    Luis Amador 10 ай бұрын +25

    **Reads the tittle** OMG FINALLY, I'm over all the parrots saying this is the best Disney+ show, the damn thing is bad.

  • Conna
    Conna 8 ай бұрын +51

    I haven't finished the video yet and i agree with most, if not everything you've said, and i would like to comment on this part as someone from the lgbt community and explain why this scene actually does more harm than good for representation.
    First we need to understand the impotance of representation in media, seeing your identity on the big screen does have a very real impact, it starts the conversation of acceptance and respect in a world that has looked down on minorities for too many years, i cannot describe with words the comfort i feel when i see what is such a big part of my identity being portrayed in my favorite shows or movies, thats why i hate how they brought up his sexuality.
    They made such a lazy and borderline disrespectful attempt at showing loki's bisexuality, they literally said 3 words alluding to the fact that he has had male partners and expected us to just eat it up, "wow, praise disney and their initiative to break down the stigma around bisexuality, they trully do care about us!", its outrageous to see them being worshiped online for something so insignificant. I am bisexual, and i've lived the struggle of not being accepted, not being taken seriously, i've lost friendships over just being myself, and i am disgusted at how they minimized all of that into 3 words.
    And not only did they mess up the bisexual rep, they also completly ignored Loki's gender! The comic's never shy away from loki being gendefluid, series like Agent Of Asgard embrace the fact that loki cant be put in a box, he's the god of mischief! the trickster! he can be the villain one day and the hero the next day! everything about who he is can change, his motivations, his relationships with others, his gender expression, and yet he will still remain Loki. When i saw that the whole twist was that the Loki varient was a woman, aka sylvie, i was speechless, woman loki has been a thing for years, and she isnt a different character, she is still loki, and yet they put so much emphasis on the fact that Sylvie doesn't consider herself a Loki. In the episode when Loki meets all the other loki varients after being pruned, he asks them if they had ever seen a woman Loki before, and they all laugh at they idea, they laugh, because the idea of a woman Loki is just so ridiculous right?
    I'm tired of seeing companies, specially Marvel, being able to do the bare minimum and get praise, we in the lgbt community deserve to be taken seriously, we have fought for our rights and im sick of seeing all our pain get boiled down to underdeveloped side characters and rainbow merch during June, especially considering the amount of homophobia, racism and misogony present in the marvel fandom, Disney doesnt care to educate its audience or to help out minorities, they will do whatever is necessary to make money, and the worst part is, we allow it.
    Hopefully i was able to get my point across, english isnt my first language and i have to admit i may be a bit biased considering im both bisexual and genderfluid, i will continue the video now, great work man!

    • Sunset Skye
      Sunset Skye 4 ай бұрын

      I completely agree, as someone who’s queer in terms of gender and sexuality, and my god this show was a slap in the face

    • Goose Gas
      Goose Gas 4 ай бұрын +1

      @I've missed you. Were you reading it at all then?

    • I've missed you.
      I've missed you. 4 ай бұрын

      I stopped at "..as someone from the lgbt community"

    • Goose Gas
      Goose Gas 6 ай бұрын

      Fr tho there was more bi representation when PaRappa the Rapper kissed his homie on the lips without hesitation.

    • v0id_exe
      v0id_exe 8 ай бұрын +4

      I agree I think this should have had a bigger amount of attention instead of being summed up in a few words and I would have loved it if more of the loki's were females or other ways of identifying yourself, also if had made Loki fall in love with a boy instead of girl it would bring more attention to the LGBTQ+ if they so whished to do that (apologies if what I said was incorrect in any way)

  • Cypress Hodgson
    Cypress Hodgson 8 ай бұрын +6

    Also in the first episode, after Loki teleports to the desert, why does he leave the tessaract on the ground, instead of holding it or putting it in his pocket? Would’ve been very helpful for getting away from the tva.

  • Noah Fink
    Noah Fink  Жыл бұрын +51

    I love these kinds of videos. Really don't know why you only have ~250 follower. Your hard work should get more recognition. Making a video with movie length without getting boring for one second and with such good humor throughout the complete video is just insane. You got my respect and I hope you'll get more recognition in the future :)

    • The Enrichment Critic
      The Enrichment Critic   Жыл бұрын +9

      Why thank you good sir. It means a lot to me to get comments like this so I appreciate it. Stay tuned for more in the future.

  • Surviving RNG
    Surviving RNG 10 ай бұрын +67

    Loki was the Marvel show i was most looking forward to and the most i was disappointing by, Loki being used by the TVA to brutally hunt down other Loki variants whilst also working against the TVA for his own ends? **ck yeah! But that's not what we got,
    This is what happens when you take such far reaching and high end sci-fi ideas and hand them to a bunch of low end writers, and that's putting it politely, Disney seriously needs to research the writers they hire, picking only the most experienced and best suited for the job... AND THEN TREAT THEM WELL
    Disney seems to have no idea the damage they are doing to their multi billion dollar MCU brand with these badly planned out, careless, thoughtless, and frankly, far too often just plain dumb shows, at best they are diluting the MCU, and worst they are infecting it :/

    • Crowleys Angels
      Crowleys Angels 6 ай бұрын

      @Fierce0Deity0Link You can tell which scenes were straight from Waldron without much editing and which scenes had other people more involved, and I'm pretty sure that while he did have some writing input, TH had very little actual say in anything that made it to the final series. I shudder to think how much worse it would have been without his input, bc I'm fairly certain that his involvement was the only thing that made the character even vaguely recognisable at times. If you look at how much involvement and say he had in the character in Thor 1 and how well Loki was characterised then vs in the show, you can see how little control he was actually given in comparison when it's supposed to be a show about his character.
      I'm not going to go so far as to say he's an amazing writer, bc i've never directly seen a script he's worked on without a lot of other people's involvement muddling who wrote what so I can't make any true judgement calls, but it's really not hard to spot the moments in the show that felt like there was a lot more thought and respect for the character put in, and it's practically impossible to not be a better writer than Waldron (I've read the original script he converted into the show, and it is honestly painfully badly written). As far as I'm aware he was mostly in an actor/ producer role, not really a writer, and they cut a lot of the stuff we have bts footage of him having been involved in the actual writing of from the final release. Very little was kept in the final show that anyone but Mike Waldron wrote, and it shows

    • Surviving RNG
      Surviving RNG 8 ай бұрын +3

      @Fierce0Deity0Link and Star Trek Picards scripts were also worked on by Sir Patrick Stewart, beloved and talented actors don't always make good script writers

    • Fierce0Deity0Link
      Fierce0Deity0Link 8 ай бұрын +1

      You do know that Tom Hiddleston himself worked on the plot right?

  • QuackMaster25
    QuackMaster25 8 ай бұрын +15

    One thing that I can accept is the whole idea of hiding in an apocalypse scenario. Because what we do know is that there is some wiggle room with the whole branching thing. The Sacred Timeline doesn't appear as one straight path, but more like a base set of events that can go slightly different. So for something where your influence is absolutely insignificant, like the placing of bodies in Pompeii, there wouldn't be a Nexus event. On this, I'd say the animation in episode 1 is overexaggerating or simplifying the concept. There can be some influence in the timeline that won't make it branch, as long as it's tiny. Because the timeline doesn't dictate the smallest details like placement of deaths in an apocalypse. As long as it has the same base end result in a way that can't cascade, you can be hiding in something like an apocalypse.

  • TheDudeCalledAlan
    TheDudeCalledAlan 10 ай бұрын +47

    A Thanos variant teamup with Loki
    Would have saved the show

    • Lonly Wanderer
      Lonly Wanderer 9 ай бұрын +7

      Don't know about saving the show... but it would have been a lot of fun

  • NormalWinterFox
    NormalWinterFox 7 ай бұрын +7

    My sister and I watched the first episode and then we didn’t watch the show again. We were confused. I was disappointed because Loki is my fave marvel character

  • Michael Harris
    Michael Harris 3 ай бұрын +5

    Showing Avengers Loki what will happen to him in an alternate timeline shouldn’t have any emotional impact on him. In this show’s defense, I think what they’re trying to go for is the trope seen in movies like: “A Christmas carol”, and “It’s a wonderful life” where the main antagonist or protagonist sees what life would be like if they made different choices. But like you said this show contradicts itself as the TVA states that free will doesn’t exist. And all actions to do something that goes against the TVA’s narrative will be pruned.
    Dang this used to be my favorite Disney + show. Now I’ll have to turn off my brain to enjoy watching it.

  • chris_fisto
    chris_fisto 10 ай бұрын +38

    Marvel (especially the shows) has an obsession with forcing love interests and shoving in romance plots into stories for characters that don’t need romance. Same thing with Moon Knight. It ruins the escapism and the focus of the overall plot. Loki was meh for me until I learned that Sylvie would be the “villain”. It got sooo predictable once she came in. It literally took me a year to finish the series bc once Sylvie got included, it was too painful to watch. The only good part for me was the last scene of the last episode when he realized he was in another universe. Everything else was a snore. And Loki is one of the most interesting characters played by one of the best actors of the Marvel cast. Such a waste. Great job on the video and breakdown. You put more effort into this than a multi-billion dollar company put into this series.

  • Crowleys Angels
    Crowleys Angels 6 ай бұрын +2

    This is a pretty good breakdown of many of the glaring issues with the show! Something I don't know if many people are aware of is exactly why the writing is so weird and 99% of the time the characters and plot feel completely out of line with established lore... the script was written by waldron years ago before he got the job and he basically changed a few names and toned down his weird sexual spin on stuff somewhat. The original script is out there, and boy is it one of the most awful things ive ever had the displeasure of exposing my eyes and brain to. It was a TV series for Loki.... not written about Loki.
    There's some stuff you've missed or simply had to cut a bit short (i'm assuming for time or because they're only really discussed in the really deep zones of the fan community), like the weird lack of communication and constant mixed signal statements from various people involved in the production (the lead writer, director, composer, and actors all having completely different conflicting public statements about the relationship going on there in particular, and the weird terf-y vibed comments from the director and Sylvie's actress), the fact the lead writer has admitted he hasn't seen the first Thor movie and hasn't seen Avengers 1 since release when he's writing a character that's come straight from those films and whose backstory has been retconned back to that point... there's a lot of weird stuff going on with marvel and disney, and messy bts stuff which has caused their stuff to really suffer, and I think this series in particular just kinda exemplifies how bad all of that stuff really is.
    My one real grievance with the video however is in you saying that Loki doesn't care for anyone but Thor and Frigga/ that he doesn't care about hurting people. While I definitely agree that he is a ruthless character who's shown to somewhat enjoy killing/ harming others at times, there's also a lot of times (especially in Thor 1) where he has shown to care a lot more about others getting hurt than even Thor does. I agree that the way the show framed the idea of "I don't enjoy hurting people" was done totally wrong for the established character, there was some element of the truth there. He's a quick, efficient killer raised in a culture that only respects violence, and so it is to be expected that he take some satisfaction in his success on that front, but the only time we really see him seem to actually enjoy inflicting pain and dragging it out and not simply eliminating an opposing force as quickly as possible is him taking out the guy's eye in A1. I know it's still heavily debated if it's actually canon or not that Loki was influenced by the scepter during that movie, and also if he intentionally bungled his plan or if that was just poor writing leaving a lot of plot holes, but as far as i'm aware it's canon that he's just had a large enough mental breakdown to have attempted suicide and suddenly had a massive change in his behaviour, and had then been tortured on Thanos's orders during the time between Thor 1 and Avengers 1, which helps explain the difference in his behaviour between those two movies.
    I think that keeping either side of that debate in mind changes drastically how he is perceived, and I honestly kinda think that having him be a puppet villain during A1 would have made Thanos a far more imposing and impactful villain, and also been good fuel for Loki to either have a better continued villain arc in response to that situation without it feeling weirdly contrived or to have a true redemption and become more of an anti-hero/ fun nuisance like he is in most of the comic stories, but I also love the idea of an unrepentant villain version of the character who's just succumbed to the events he's been through in T1 and leading up to A1 and let it turn to rage. Sadly, we got neither with the series, and I cannot truly explain just how disappointed I am with the opportunity the squandered here.
    With season two on the horizon, and knowing there's a different head writer this time I have a little more faith in the potential direction of it but even if they do miraculously make something good, it's still going to be built on the terrible foundations of this season, and unless they straight up pretend season 1 never happened, I don't think there's any way they could do something that would solve the failure of storytelling that was this show.
    TLDR: This show was terrible in so many ways and the more you look into it the worse it gets. Learning about the behind the scenes issues and general problems that come from being a disney project written by someone with no idea what they were doing will not make you feel sympathy for the creators, it will simply confuse and anger anyone with two brain cells to rub together

    • Teresa r
      Teresa r 6 ай бұрын +1

      Under the assumption that Loki was influenced in Avengers, it makes sense maybe to not wanna be a mass murderer? Especially since if he was under mind control that just got hulk smashed out of him. Though I'd believe it when Loki says it a bit more if he was a bit hazy/shocked from the avengers scene to this point (hell that could be used as a reason he got caught more easily, facing what he did now with his whole mind, and getting quite the smashing)
      Plotting a Mischief != Brutal murder always woulda felt more realistic. Loki's earlier pranks was scaring with snakes, the worst he did pre his whole revelation was try to stop Thor's coronation, out of belief that wasn't gonna go well and that he couldn't just convince Thor of that.

  • Kevin W. Clark
    Kevin W. Clark 6 ай бұрын +2

    It seems like the TVA should have the power to find Loki at any point in the show.

  • Kyle Frank
    Kyle Frank 10 ай бұрын +19

    17:23 This is one of the greatest/stupidest things I've heard about this show. I totally didn't think about that while watching. Like, it's not anywhere near the most egregious error that the story makes, but, it's just bafflingly contradictory to the writer's own rule. I love this. And hate it.

  • Roberto Tubil
    Roberto Tubil 8 ай бұрын +3

    The writers of this show are confusing this Loki with the Loki we followed for 3 phases in the MCU.

  • Fanficlover
    Fanficlover 10 ай бұрын +41

    yeah, I gotta agreem, the whole "court" aspect was mind numbingly dumb and only created to explain what the TVA is and does even though that could have been done in so many better ways.

  • Moneynis
    Moneynis  Жыл бұрын +117

    The analysis was good, almost all your cretics of this show are very similar to my problems with the show. Especially Loki being different from his avenger self.

    • godverseSans
      godverseSans 8 ай бұрын

      @The Enrichment Critic I think I know why Loki isn’t a good fighter and why he turned good fast. Because everything he has done was kang. Everything he had done or felt was kang.

    • CD
      CD 9 ай бұрын

      @FreeBarbecue hmmm ic

    • FreeBarbecue
      FreeBarbecue 9 ай бұрын +2

      @CD It works the way the TVA says it works ,it completely undoes everything banner and the ancient spoke about.
      Erasing Thanos (2014) in 2019 from the timeline causes a serious nexxus event for the past which creates a seriously new branch. By TVA logic they should've shown up at the end before Tony snaps ,subdue Thanos and bring him back to his timeline ...
      It's the only logical explanation.

    • CD
      CD 9 ай бұрын

      @FreeBarbecue right.. but they do, didn't they say time travel doesn't work like that or something.

    • FreeBarbecue
      FreeBarbecue 9 ай бұрын +1

      @CD Did we watch a different movie ?
      The Thanos that got snapped was 2014 Thanos . Meaning the events from guardians and so on would not have happened ...

  • Naqib Daik
    Naqib Daik 8 ай бұрын +4

    Remember Dormammu in Dr Strange, a being that wasn't affected by time? So what does this lore add for that guy? Does he aware of it? Yet why when Dr Strange uses a reverse time spell he seems shocked by the concept of time? It was so fascinating how they added useless lore and worldbuilding that destroyed the previous setting.

  • Izzi's Art
    Izzi's Art 7 ай бұрын +3

    One thing that gets me about this show is... why not just give original Loki Sylvie's plotline? Have him escape on the first meeting with the TVA and have the show be trickster Loki bouncing around the timeline causing chaos and the TVA trying to catch him. Interestingly, this would cast Loki as the villain for the first lot of episodes (albeit a very fun, amusing one the audience will enjoy watching) but then you can flip it on its head by having the TVA be revealed as the real villains after the audience has spent time thinking of them as the good guys, inadvertently forcing Loki to be "good" and defeat them.

  • CNN Blackmail Support
    CNN Blackmail Support 8 ай бұрын +1

    That "Meeting the master of the towet" bit was done really well in Thundercats.(I know, right?)
    There are these gargoyles stealing from people near a tower and they either steal something or kidnap a thundercat. The Thundercats fight their way up through the tower's traps and finally reach the throne room of the gargoyles' master. It turns out the gargoyles are automated and programmed to steal treasure, so they kept doing it even after the Baron of the Tower died on his throne decades ago. It's all done in a horror style that stuck with me until that point in this video brought it back. 30 years without thinking about it once, yet I can still picture the dried out corpse with excessive jewelry sitting on a throne. How strange.

  • cellophanezebra
    cellophanezebra 10 ай бұрын +93

    The whole concept felt really good though, a Trickster god traveling through dimensions with his partner Owen Wilson

    • Fierce0Deity0Link
      Fierce0Deity0Link 8 ай бұрын

      @FreeBarbecue ?

    • FreeBarbecue
      FreeBarbecue 8 ай бұрын

      @Fierce0Deity0Link Enjoy the pretty colors and dumb Loki , you've earned it👍

    • Fierce0Deity0Link
      Fierce0Deity0Link 8 ай бұрын

      @FreeBarbecue does it matter? I feel like most people who hate Phase 4 are stuck on semantics. The specifics here aren't important to enjoy the show. As someone who likes it I love watching Loki being put in terrible situations that he struggles to deal with. If I want a competently evil Loki I can watch the older movies, but here I'm enjoying dumb Loki getting psychoanalysis while getting also kicked in the balls.

    • drsex
      drsex 8 ай бұрын

      @luke yznaga bruh theyre saying that the CONCEPT of the premise COULD have been going, but in actuality wasnt

  • Superschokokeks
    Superschokokeks 2 ай бұрын +3

    I swear, it has to be a kink of the writer for making Loki basically fall in love with himself.
    and thinking about that. imagine.. falling in love with just another version of yourself
    i mean

    • bred
      bred Ай бұрын +3

      I’d have to find the tweets but one of the writers said they saw it as a mother and son relationship between them… but then another writer saw it as romantic but then ANOTHER saw it as simply platonic. It was all over the place

  • nik boyd
    nik boyd 10 ай бұрын +32

    I feel like loki really wasn’t thinking about where he was going in the beginning he probably just wanted a get out of jail free card and saw it as another opportunity to conquer earth so that’s why he stayed on planet

    • Versaii
      Versaii 10 ай бұрын +1

      @Konstantina Gkika it doesn’t matter the TVA would’ve found him no matter where he went in the universe

    • Konstantina Gkika
      Konstantina Gkika 10 ай бұрын +2

      With his whole army compromised? That's even more idiotic than him just randomly choosing a desert, where he attempted to rule over three people who couldn't even speak English.

    • EverythingFan02
      EverythingFan02 10 ай бұрын +1

      @nik boyd He was!

    • nik boyd
      nik boyd 10 ай бұрын +1

      @EverythingFan02 Tom Holland was a great Loki

    • EverythingFan02
      EverythingFan02 10 ай бұрын +12

      What Loki did once he got the tesseract, following that metaphor, is the equivalent of having a direct path from your jail cell to a non-extradition country, and instead hiding in a different area of the jail. If he is thousands of years old and familiar with 8 other realms, or as shown in the MCU, 10s if not 100s of other planets and civilizations, Loki just trying to flee would more probably leave the planet, like Classic/Old Loki did. He’s effectively on the run from SHIELD, Asgard, the Avengers, and Thanos after failing to secure Earth for him. Getting out of jail free would mean evading all of them. He grew up with the Bifrost, so interplanetary travel isn’t difficult or a daunting journey for him.
      But, if he wanted to quickly regroup and conquer Earth while SHIELD was focussed on New York, it makes no sense to travel to the middle of a dessert, stop, leave his one trump card and means of escape in the sand, and make a speech to the first person he sees. We’ve seen how Loki tries to conquer, twice. He makes friends with powerful people, sets out to cripple the ruling body or military, send in an army when it’s weak, then step into the power vacuum he’s created. In Thor 1 as a prince he let the Frost Giants into Asgard, and usurped the throne once he got Thor banished for it and Odin was weak. In The Avengers, though he’s acting under Thanos’ orders after allying with him, he does something similar. He attacks Fury, gets the Tesseract, lets himself get captured after several more successful surprise attacks, then summons the Chitari once he can spawn them in the heart of one of the most important cities in the strongest country on Earth.
      He also starts using a similar strategy in Thor Ragnorak, and we see how he responds after losing a fight. He retreats to a place he feels safe in, telling Heimdall to bring him and Thor back to Asgard after Hela outmatches them. Once he ends up on the planet the Grand Master rules, he becomes friendly with him so that he can live safely and comfortably until he can flee.

  • Gamer1288
    Gamer1288 8 ай бұрын +1

    11:36 It is revealed in the Final Episode that Loki technically WASN'T a Variant but Kang rigged the System to make it think that he was so that Loki and Silphie would eventually end up before him. Kang needed the Two for his Plans which was why they lasted so long.

  • Badpex Alpha
    Badpex Alpha 8 ай бұрын +1

    Good stuff! I really wanted to this show to work but I think it might be 3 or 4 out of a scale of 10, it could’ve been so much better. all the good stuff is in the comic books already… One small note. I don’t think the B14 was actually trusting Sylvie. I think B14 was trusting her feelings, knowing or feeling that what Sylvie had showed her was more than just an illusion and that it had to be real, and that was worth anything to try to get back to…

  • The Last Crow
    The Last Crow 10 ай бұрын +153

    Why people liked this show so much is beyond me. All it does is nerf Loki both physically and mentally, give him a narcissistic love story and strip him of his personality. This show is proof that Marvel can put out anything that features fan favorite characters and people will like it regardless of it's quality.

    • Superduper Starwars Stopmotion Channel!(and more!)
      Superduper Starwars Stopmotion Channel!(and more!) 10 ай бұрын

      and..this? is the first hate I ever SAW yet. . lol! and..MUCH time has passed. The numbers from the show? tell a diff story. lol

    • Santy Valens
      Santy Valens 10 ай бұрын

      @ATDubya Wow, that is such a great example lol

    • Santy Valens
      Santy Valens 10 ай бұрын +4

      Exactly, its like people think they're supposed to like it just cause they like the character even if the show or film is mediocre

    • PG
      PG 10 ай бұрын

      @The L Delivery Man Oh ok that would make more sense

  • TheDCbiz
    TheDCbiz 10 ай бұрын +101

    3:07 Loki doesn't know how to use the space stone. Obviously it's not as simple to use as touch it and think of where you want to go at least not in tesseract form. When red skull touched it, he got transported to the location of the soul stone seemingly. Loki never was shown using the tesseract correctly in the infinity saga. The only time is when Thor and him use a device encasing it to go home. Loki even needed a human scientist to teleport his army to earth. He tried using it and it backfired. I get if you didn't find it funny but narratively it shows Loki doesn't know how to use it.

    • Kaotiqx
      Kaotiqx 9 ай бұрын +1

      So you say what people make up in their minds isn't canon yet the fans "dictate canon"

    • TheDCbiz
      TheDCbiz 9 ай бұрын +1

      @Kaotiqx No marvel studios hasn't explained what's canon and what's not. They make films and streaming shows and let the fans dictate what's canon. After the season finale in theory every marvel film ever made is now made a part of canon in theory. Like Tobey spiderman films just happening in the MCU multiverse. As for what's canon I'm just going by the basic definition which is that what's shown or said is canonical. Scenes made up in our minds obviously isn't cano

    • Kaotiqx
      Kaotiqx 9 ай бұрын +1

      @TheDCbiz no I'm talking about the rule of what is and what isn't canon within the entire MCU, not a specific part of it.

    • TheDCbiz
      TheDCbiz 9 ай бұрын

      @Kaotiqx No the MCU hasn't explained the definition of canon. It did in a meta way explain the infinity saga vs multiverse saga canon with He Who Remains being a fictional stand in for Kevin Fiegie in a way? You want a link to the scene

    • Kaotiqx
      Kaotiqx 9 ай бұрын

      @TheDCbiz MCU

  • ᴍᴀᴅᴊᴀʏᴀʀᴛ
    ᴍᴀᴅᴊᴀʏᴀʀᴛ 10 ай бұрын +18

    If the box of "evidence" with the stones was pruned, then it was sent to the Loki's who would've been used it to escape

    • YaYa Wali
      YaYa Wali 9 ай бұрын +2

      when things are pruned they don’t go to same exact place. there’s no telling if the lokis saw the stones. but fuck logic tho right

  • srivatsa damaraju
    srivatsa damaraju 10 ай бұрын +67

    Loki is on par with CW superhero shows, the writing, the acting, the scene blocking, direction are all garbage. Some scenes are set so poorly made that they looked so bad, they were comparable to Indian soaps. The blocking and acting was atrocious! Owen Wilson andTom Hiddleston were so obviously on another level from this whole show.

    • sparkledwater
      sparkledwater 8 ай бұрын +1

      @Keanu Paler about what?

    • Keanu Paler
      Keanu Paler 8 ай бұрын

      You couldn’t be more wrong

    • dum dum
      dum dum 8 ай бұрын +3

      Agree 100%. This was my first thought when I started watching this review. Loki looks like a high-budget CW show.

    • srivatsa damaraju
      srivatsa damaraju 9 ай бұрын

      @sparkledwater tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson were the best parts of the show, no doubt. They brought actual professional prowes to an amateurish script.
      Tom in particular was done dirty by the lack of production, writing and directing talent, and not to mention the bait and switch they did with sylvie.
      She was portrayed fine, but not what was promised at all.
      Still, the show has a certain charm that just happens through the talented actors. Wish the writer is changed for the next season, or at least this one improves, coz his work does impress me, he’s the one who faked doc strange 2 as well. Even Sam Raimi couldn’t save that one….

    • sparkledwater
      sparkledwater 9 ай бұрын +4

      Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I didn't even think that Tom Hiddleston's performance was outstanding. From what I've seen, he's very good at dramatic, intense and serious characters. Humor doesn't really suit him imo. I don't think that's entirely his fault tho, I think he did the best he could with the script, but for me a lot of scenes seemed overacted and superficial

  • Samuel Smith
    Samuel Smith 10 ай бұрын +2

    My biggest critique is that avengers era Loki, the loki that literally murdered random people, almost took over earth and killed coulson... has a dramatic heart change because of slideshow presentation because the plot needed to go along. What would've been interesting is if loki stayed mischevious and paranoid throughout the show, adding more tension and weight to the relationship between Loki and Owen Wilson. Forcing them to work together and learn to trust each other even tho Loki keeps using him to his own advantage. That is until he meets the "main protagonist" which instead of being sylvie its old man loki, who serves as a nihilistic and serious version of loki that is used as a warning to Loki at what he would become if he succeeded in taking over earth. Loki then must discover Old Loki wishes to destroy the TVA because fate is already decided and thus none of this is worth anything. This is when both Lokis must learn that fate and destiny is not set, but rather decided and its the choices we make that decide our future.

  • Batmanstrike
    Batmanstrike 10 ай бұрын +3

    You know Kang in the comics is so much cooler because he actually wants to conquer everything like his apprent variant self does, so I think it's stupid that marvel chose to pretty much rewrite his character to someone who is pretty much like a super manager. I remember reading this awesome scene in the comics where spiderman confronted him about why he was willing to help the Avengers fight some kind of multiversal threat and he said and I quote "I'm a conqueror, and I can't do that, if there is nothing left to conquer."

  • Gamer1288
    Gamer1288 8 ай бұрын

    11:36 The whole Point of the TVA is revealed in the Final Episode was to prevent any Kang Variants from occurring, so they only stop Branching Timelines which Results in a Kang Variant being Born.

  • Gamer1288
    Gamer1288 8 ай бұрын +3

    5:58 Shouldn't Loki be as strong as a Frost Giant? How wouldn't he be able to break free of the grips of the TVA Soldiers.

  • KingOfMadCows
    KingOfMadCows 10 ай бұрын +93

    The thing is that a lot of the complaints can be applied to superhero movies and comics in general. Most superhero comics don't make much sense. Like with weapons, with our technology today, we can build missiles that can hit targets hundreds of miles away. But the MCU has super advanced aliens using swords instead of just bombing their enemies to oblivion from orbit.
    And the power and scale of things in comics is just ridiculous. For example, there are multiple characters on earth with the power to create entire universes but somehow earth still has all the same problems as the real world. In both DC and Marvel, earth is literally the most important planet in the universe. Out of the 100 billion planets in the Milky Way, and 2 trillion galaxies in the observables universe, earth is somehow the most important one. It's even more ridiculous in DC since the primary earth is basically the center of the multiverse.

    • David Martinez
      David Martinez 8 ай бұрын +3

      I have no personality outside my sexuality yes, a creator, a God. Kang didn't create the universe, he's not a god, he just has advanced technology. However no advanced technology is shown for how he controls free will, but still we are told he planned out their every move somehow? That doesn't make sense, especially since Kang hasn't done anything like that in the comics. He's a futuristic tech guy with a mortal form, not an omniscient being. We need to be shown and not told what he can do.

    • David Martinez
      David Martinez 9 ай бұрын +13

      Not really, superhero movies usually have a beginning, middle, end. Have rules so things make sense for the general audience. They work as a condensed version of the story, the character, and the world. When it changes the rules, and makes free will not matter, then it stops making sense and stops mattering. In better hands, this show could have made sense and been amazing, but instead it sucks.

    • Santy Valens
      Santy Valens 10 ай бұрын +21

      Earth being the center of the universe isnt really odd considering most of the stories are from the perspective of characters on earth. If the stories took place on another planet than we'd see that one as important

  • Nate Graham
    Nate Graham 11 ай бұрын +16

    Excellent analysis, I was thinking the same thing because of Steve and Tony going further back in time because of the Tessaract incident.

  • Nicholi
    Nicholi 7 ай бұрын +2

    I liked Owlman's reasoning for destroying the multiverse from the cartoon movie. For every choice a new universe is creating choosing the other options. He felt that actions were pointless since in another universe the alternative was played out. The only true choice is to destroy all the universes.

  • Kalen Almeida
    Kalen Almeida 9 ай бұрын

    I fell in love with this show and this video may not have convinced me otherwise, but I still wanted to mention how well made this video was bc I still appreciate that and you earned an easy sub from me lol

    • The Enrichment Critic
      The Enrichment Critic  9 ай бұрын

      Thank you sir. I hope that you will enjoy the future content I make as well

  • Daniel Blois
    Daniel Blois 10 ай бұрын +15

    I think there are many problems with the show but I think the point of branched timelines (which I do think is the same thing as different multiverses) creates branches that new versions of kang are created. Without allowing other branches, no other versions of kang exist. I may be wrong but that is what I think they were going for.

  • King1853
    King1853 5 ай бұрын +3

    Just think how many times did the TVA have to find and chase down that Rat from Endgame with those sticks and prune it constantly until the rats life led up to it pressing the button for Ant-Man....

  • Jojo
    Jojo 6 ай бұрын +1

    Here's my take on the TVA: I actually think it's a fun enough concept. It's not perfect and it's kind of a confusing concept to bring on to your show. It's one of those "don't think too hard about it" cases and in a show where there's a loki that's a crocodile, I'm kinda fine with not thinking too hard about it. I think their apparent inefficiency could be explain by them actually being led by Kang who is actively trying to be killed. But I also fully realize that the show doesn't tell us that and this might be me giving the show too much credit.
    I actually don't think the show is good at all. It had some fun moments but honestly it never rose to "good" because of Loki's forced development and just...everything about Sylvie among other problems. I understand that she's an alternate Loki but for me, she never actually felt like Loki? Which would be bad, if not for the fact that Loki himself doesn't feel like Loki.
    It feels like these earlier Disney plus shows got praise from fans because they were the first to come out and they had big exciting names attached to them like Wanda, Loki and the Falcon. But all of them are painfully boring, which is really a shame cause you can see a lot of people put a lot of good work on these shows (special shout out to the SFX artists), but all of these shows just REEK of executive meddling, so I don't think they will ever really be good. These shows are just ads for disney plus and you can't expect good writing from a soap ad, so don't expect to get it here either.

  • Gideon Jones
    Gideon Jones 10 ай бұрын +26

    The Avengers get a pass for time travel because it was supposed to happen. Sure, but... while they put back everything they took at the exact moment so it was like it never happened, they still only took the Tesseract from the 70s (or 60s) because of Loki. Loki stole it and escaped, so their only option was to go further back. Why didn't that cause a timeline split itself? If they were meant to go back further than 2012, does that mean they were supposed to lose it some other way? Seems weird that there could be a version of events where Loki *wouldn't* take advantage of a free tesseract literally dropping at his feet while everyone else is distracted.
    Edit: not to mention the fact that the TVA's job requires genuinely divine power, and they seem so weak. If you exist outside time you should be able to see it all at once. They shouldn't be dealing with constant variants changing time from their approved fates. If anything, they should be crossing things off a near infinite list, religiously working towards the day their lizard overlords (who literally look nothing like lizards so I still don't know where that nickname came from) have promised where only one version of history exists. There shouldn't be any "real time" deadline on branching if you exist outside time. Sure, you can only enter in the initial moments after the branch grows, but why does it matter how long it grows if you can still go into those first moments? They aren't acting urgently in episode 2 because logically it doesn't matter at all how long they take to go there because they have fucking time machines.

    • Gideon Jones
      Gideon Jones 10 ай бұрын +7

      @MillionShadesofDarkness I know that. The problem is that they only go further back in the movie because of Loki. Meaning that we don't ever get to see what "really"happened to make them lose the tessaract. Meaning a portion of Endgame bigger than just that one shot of Loki getting away is non-canon to itself for the sake of setting up a tv show. And that would be stupid even if the Loki show was phenomenal.

    • MillionShadesofDarkness
      MillionShadesofDarkness 10 ай бұрын +2

      @Gideon Jones avengers didnt get pruned because those events NEEDED to happen to lead up to the eventual birth of Kang/He Who Remains. It was a canon event to the sacred timeline, Loki getting the stone and escaping was NOT

    • Gideon Jones
      Gideon Jones 10 ай бұрын +6

      @Delta So you're telling me the entire portion of endgame where Tony meets his dad never happens on the sacred timeline?
      Edit: I think I see the issue here. I wasn't referring to Loki causing that split, I was referring to the split the Avengers would have caused later when they choose to travel further back. Remember that Cap only goes back to live with Peggy because he was already going back that far to return the tessaract. So either none of that "really" happens, or it "really" happens completely differently than we ever get to see, which regardless just screws up the finale to a decade long film series.

    • Delta
      Delta 10 ай бұрын +2

      How empty headed can you possibly be to ask this "how did that not cause a split" on a video about Loki, yknow, the show that answers that fucking question? Literally the whole initial conflict of the show is that Loki created a split, so the TVA stepped in to prune him and said split. Literally the first episode dude

  • Ivan Miloshev
    Ivan Miloshev 8 ай бұрын +2

    The plot point with the court room is really contrived indeed. It feels like it is only there for a few jokes and to move the plot forward justifying why loki is not dead by this point and owen saving him in the nick of time. I dont get the idea why they chose humans... Loki has to be dumbed and nerfed down significantly in order for them to be even at the same level. He is as old as Thor or at least have a max difference of a couple hundred years and thor is more than 1500 years old

  • Aidan Evans
    Aidan Evans 6 ай бұрын +2

    The telekinesis really bothers me. We see Loki running for his life or stranded somewhere on foot, but if he has such powerful telekinesis can’t he just lift himself up and fly around? Or lift something that he stands on?

  • Dopameme
    Dopameme 9 ай бұрын +21

    This show pissed me off. In the rest of the Marvel Universe, he is so powerful, but for some reason in this show they gimped him so hard that he gets beat up by a mere human as soon as it starts. Then he becomes an emasculated, weak tool for the rest of the show instead of being the cunning villain he was in the Avengers.

  • Sarina T
    Sarina T 8 ай бұрын +3

    I never even thought about why the TVA never bothered to use the Infinity Stones they'd collected within the timeline to capture whoever they wanted instantly. I guess the show made it so clear that the Stones were a joke now that I wasn't supposed to think about them anymore.

    • godverseSans
      godverseSans 8 ай бұрын

      @Sarina T the infinity stones are the power of the universe its connected to it. I don't think they would work in a different universe or timeline because the stones wouldn't have a link to other universes. But i do think the should have used better technology to get her.

    • Sarina T
      Sarina T 8 ай бұрын

      @godverseSans Sylvie wasn't hiding outside the timeline where the TVA was. They said in the show she was hiding in specific times and places. There was nothing preventing them from taking the stones within the timeline and using them to catch her.
      Your argument doesn't apply.

    • godverseSans
      godverseSans 8 ай бұрын

      They did say that magic doesn’t work outside the universe or timeline so that’s why they use infinity stones as paper weights because it’s useless to them

  • Vigilant
    Vigilant 9 ай бұрын

    one thing that stood out to me about this review is the fact that you pointed out how it's okay to like the show; there is a difference between enjoyment and critique but they can still coexist. this is important as a good majority of reviews don't acknowledge the people who actually enjoyed it and the critique belittles them and basically tells them not to enjoy it for its holes, albeit mostly indirectly.

  • Beau Payne
    Beau Payne 10 ай бұрын +7

    Haven’t watched the video yet but I really enjoyed the show. It was a fun adventure and the introduction of Kang was a great end to the show. My favorite aspect was trying to figure out what the hell the TVA was and who the Time Keepers really were. That being said, I do feel it was a bit convoluted. The ever changing rules of time and space seem to indicate a lack of communication amongst directors on different projects because there are some contradictions. Didn’t mind Loki being redeemed as a character, nowhere really further for him to go being the serial backstabber. Though, I do feel his character arc might’ve been a bit rushed.

    • FreeBarbecue
      FreeBarbecue 10 ай бұрын +2

      Just enjoy the pretty colors.

  • Morenic Ginius The Great
    Morenic Ginius The Great 8 ай бұрын +1

    My only problem with the show is that it doesn't feel like enough of a cosmic horror story, and thus the killer score feels to lovecraftian for it.

  • Bizzy
    Bizzy 3 ай бұрын +1

    Loki can turn into any animal, he could have turned into a cheetah or falcon, not only is this in Norse mythology, but it's also talked about in Ragnorok when Thor talks about Loki tricking him by turning into a snake.

  • shad khandakar
    shad khandakar 10 ай бұрын +4

    I am glad you called out the B.S on the TVA because I was expecting organizing who watches and protect the multiverse or timeline to be super advance to the point where some soldier would have some kind of superpower or the fact that some of them could have advance cybernetics but NOPE they are weak for the plot to move forward.