@Jorge Montesinos America is a majority white country. With a majority white history. The heroes in marvel are majority American. It makes sense. Forced diversity is more offensive than subconscious exclusion…by a country mile. I don’t even care, I just won’t watch, but let’s call a spade a spade. Their current “woke”, or “inclusive” direction is the heart of their downfall. A character being just “a woman” or just “black” makes for a shitty character, and the money troubles show it. However, it’s their art, if they want to go that direction, fair enough. But don’t complain and attack your fandom because of it. They told you what they want and don’t want, stop trying to change the world and just make entertainment people actually want to see. Nobody wants to be lectured when watching something that helps them ESCAPE from the real world.
@Dallasss Explain why they absolutely RUINED all the male superheroes like Thor, Gorr, Hulk, Loki, Dr. Strange, Wong, Reed Richards, Cap America, Falcon, Hawkeye, Kingpin, Red Guardian etc etc. They even ruined women like Wanda, Black Widow etc. XD
@Jorge Montesinos Male white characters overrepresented in MCU: > Add more great other characters. > Replace all the existing male white characters with black women. MSHEU: Repeatedly bashing the second button to death.
When my wife and I finally sat down to watch Black Widow, I had recently watched your video talking about how women will always beat men in many modern movies, and how showing a man beating a woman (evil or not) is almost impossible these days. With that in mind, we actually had several plot points revealed to us: like how when Black Widow was getting beaten by a masked individual, we quickly realized that HAD to be a woman under the mask; or when the big tough guy finally gets to show how big and tough he is, but finds himself fighting women…well…it was obvious what was going to happen. He didn’t get to beat a single one and was just a punching bag. So we tested your observation, and it was completely true.
@Mouse Metal yeah kind of like how this reflects on real life nowadays on the mainstream media purposely ignoring bad women while only focusing on bad men etc.
It´s even worse: the women were poor mind-controlled victims and were liberated in the end, but the male goons were killed without any mention if they were mind-controlled too or not. I supposed they were, considering how insanely fanatical they were. Yelena and the fake mother character were both terrible people but they face no consequences for it.
Number 5 is dead on. Literally, in Wanda Vision I didn't understand why everyone pretended the guy trying to stop Wanda from doing something so heinous was viewed as the villain. Like, wat
That’s the thing about modern society and movies is that the feminist movement is upholding the idea that women should not be accountable for any wrongdoings
Just look at the justification for Wanda’s actions Wanda enslaved and mass murdering people: “Wanda didn’t know what she’s doing even when she knew it, it was because Darkhold influenced her.” Wanda messed with Tony’s mind into creating Ultron and messed with Bruce’s mind into killing civilians: “Nah, Tony and Bruce are weak-willed pussies. If they are really that good person in the first place, they wouldn’t have their minds controlled easily.” Always a victim, never at fault for her own actions.
@Justap Erson what's even weirder is that the children were fake, so he wasn't trying to kill kids, he was trying to stop super-powered projections of a madwoman
Then they had that weird scene of him trying to shoot the children literally to remind the audience that he was the villain instead of her. I liked the show but it's very weird indeed.
“Identity politics is the death of entertainment”. Very well put my friend. Entertainment is supposed to be a reprieve from daily life, not a deeper plunge into the same shut we’re bombarded with daily.
@Thinking boi That's what made Civil War so good. It gave you a dilemma. It invited the audience to form their own opinion, their own ideologies and their own justifications for those ideas. It wasn't like "iron man team is bad. Cap team is good". There was genuine conflict to which the audience could engage. But now the "moral conflicts" they could present aren't even conflicts anymore, they are presented as facts. "Men are bad. Women are good". That's it, the MCU states this as an unquestionable fact. There's no dilemma, no room for discussion.
The problem is that those "politics" boil down to "Side A good, Side B bad" and that's propaganda (unless it is about morally wrong things like war) Politics in media should be something like "Is side A good? Is side B justifiable?" Because then it makes the viewer/reader/player question their own beliefs and can bring some sort of discussion around it, rewarding the player/reader/viewer's intelligence.
Can somebody please tell Marvel that having female characters tell their male counterparts that they have suffered more than them when the men have literally been physically abused or even tried to commit suicide is not cute or empowering? Thanks. Yours truly, a woman
@6Kubik The fact that you are allowed to say something like that, whether it is satire or not, is such a gift. I so badly wish I were born a woman. It is worth all the physical pain in the world to not be treated like trash constantly by society.
Unfortunately passing that mantle on his never been successful. No one wants a Black Panther that isn't T'Challa. I don't understand why no one making movies at Marvel didn't go talk to the comics division. The movies are making the exact same mistakes that drove away large parts of their comic book audience when they did their _All-New All-Different Marvel_ in 2016, right down to the pushing the exact same characters (like Riri Williams and America Chavez). DC Comics _Infinite Frontier_ similarly crashed and burned a few years later and they're currently trying to reverse all the changes to stop hemorrhaging readers (like me). The people bringing up Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson in these comments show how these mantle passings almost never really work. Sure, they both _used the Captain America name_ (as did John Walker) but Steve Rogers was always brought back in 2 or 3 years. They never *became* Captain America. When people say "Captain America" no one asks "which one?"
Without a doubt this is the most detailed and well researched piece on the Marvel Phase 4. Every point that the Drinker makes is spot on. I just hope that someone from Marvel who understands cinema and has a lot of authority actually sees this and decides to act on this by going back to the drawing board and making changes to the plan.
You are spot on with the characters being replaced by someone younger with the exact same skill set. I grew up watching iron man and captain America. My favorite ever. And for them to just ge replaced with someone is so cringe and hurts.
@Movement Lifestyle Thousands of years of human culture, billions of people that have gotten invested in some form of entertainment, a psychological system that makes us connect with people we don't know or are made up, but apparently you know best huh
@Dallasss That's what happens when you put celebrities on a pedestal, lol. These guys need to stop worshipping everyone they see on screen. Accept people for who they are, not for who you think they are. There are actual problems in this world that need our attention yet a huge number of people have forgotten how to see the lines between entertainment and actual problems that need solutions asap!. The fact that they can say a movie 'hurt's' them, shows how emotionally invested they are in things that aren't real. No wonder people don't have a lot of depth to them these days.
After bingeing most of your vids in about a week, I came to genuinely respect your passion for storytelling and knowledge of how it should be done. I agree with your emphasis on well-written, believable characters that you can enjoy going on a journey with. And the deepest, most fundamental aspects of your criticism inspired me to finally do something. Something I knew I wasn’t ready for when I first imagined it. For the last 20 years, I have written roughly 1 million words for friends and family, with the simple purpose of earning adequate skill at storytelling. I honed my writing, and even ultimately benefited from deep, painful personal struggles, so that I could finally tell a specific short story. It complements and builds up one of your favorite films of all time. And, incidentally, it also showcases many examples of genuine masculinity displayed in a variety of ways. Further, I feel it sets a very high bar for what respectful, quality “fanfiction” should strive to be. Upholding a beloved work. Understanding it, valuing it, and forgiving any supposed flaws. Contributing a modest addition to someone else’s great legacy. Underscoring and deepening the arc of an already beloved character. Teaching the same positive lessons with the same noble themes, in a slightly different way. Honoring the work, the creator of that work, and all those who have come to love it for what it is. I strove to keep it focused, purposeful, limiting it to just 25,000 words. It may not be perfect, but it certainly tries to be. I hope you will consider giving it a read. Based on what you’ve shown everyone of your true self (behind your hilarious outward persona), I believe you will approve of these efforts. You may be uplifted and proud for having put forth the time to read it. And you will then enjoy going back to watch your favorite trilogy yet again, perhaps getting even more out of the experience. The tale is humbly posted, amidst countless others, on both “Archive of Our Own” & “fanfiction.net,” under the title “The Children of Rohan,” by WillDreamer.
Particularly like the analysis that people get very attached to the characters and this includes the people acting as them when they wear the role perfectly. People have even gone so far as to get tattoos of these images and logos. If that's not enough to make you realise these things mean something to these people, then nothing will.
I'm a comic book reader. I can speak from experience that passing mantles down and trying to push new characters in favor of the old ones almost never works. It especially doesn't work if too much of that is done at once.
Brilliant analysis, Drinker. I have been a huge comics fan all my life and thought the first phases of the MCU were something special. Ever since, Disney’s incessant drumbeat about identity politics and shaping what they feel society should be, not to mention creative meandering, has just put me off. Haven’t seen a new Marvel property since last year now, I just don’t care anymore.
I definitely agree that they need to find filmmakers who are actually passionate about the material and assign them to material that plays to their strengths, but I think that the current formula of picking independent filmmakers for the job isn't the main source of the problem. Marvel has almost always hired directors with no experience making big budget films. Joe Johnston, Louis Leterrier and Shane Black are exceptions, but other than that it's always been directors who came directly from low-budget films or completely unrelated genres, and the best films in the MCU come from these odd choices. My favorite film from the MCU is the Netflix Daredevil series, and even though this is a gritty crime drama with brutal fight scenes and legal procedure, it was mostly developed by people who came from fantasy/supernatural television shows. Drew Godard, Steven S. DeKnight and Doug Petrie were all writers on Joss Whedon's Buffy shows, and Eric Oleson came from being a showrunner on CW's Arrow.
@Batuhan he calls out the woman who directed The Eternals because she only has experience making incredibly awe-inspiring, award winning films, and he blames her for Eternals being lousy. But that’s an oversimplification. Eternals sucked because the source material is trash, the characters are boring and derivative, the story is lame, and it didn’t fit in with the rest of the MCU. None of this is the directors fault. The director was handed a turd and she polished the shit out of it. The final result is amazing visuals and solid performances from the cast, but still not enough to overcome the trash story.
@kobGreg.Channel I'm not sure if you understand his argument though. The thing is, Disney is hiring women as directors because of the political climate - that's a good thing in my opinion but the drinker would probably disagree. However, those female directors did not have enough experience to carry such a blockbuster franchise and please the fans.
@Batuhan the guy is extremely angry that Marvel allows any women in creative roles. He goes on to blame the women writers and directors of Phase 4 for ruining all of Phase 4, at the same time ignoring all of the crappy content from male writers and directors. Not to mention that all of these movies and shows take hundreds of people to make them suck, most of whom are male. But the guy ignores all that because it supports his argument that women are bad. To sum it up, mommy issues.
I easily thought of an episode that could've been used in She-Hulk. She-Hulk gets a call from Pepper and asked her to help her in a case of an unknown superhero proclaiming himself as an official Avenger with documents to prove Tony Stark approved. She-Hulk meets Pepper have a small talk to understand the case and learn more about Tony's continous search on heroes to make them Avengers (before finding Peter). So they start looking through the documents to finding this mysterious hero proclaiming to be an Avenger. They start reading the files and watching videos of Tony interviewing different heroes with unique powers and testing their tactics with their powers extents. Naturally some have future potential that can appear in future series/movies. While others have failed Naturally or have comedic moments. Like having the bot with fire extinguisher continues spraying a hero with fire abilities. The next day that same hero becomes paranoid with the bot.
Side quests can often be a lot of fun though. Phase 4 is like the pointless side quests put in by developers at the last second for the sake of putting in more stuff.
I like how company, who has shown patricide in "Shang-chi" in a way "it is okay to kill your father if he is a villain", talks about morals. I am not very familiar with Chinese culture, but even I know that the murder of an elder (and especially a father!) is considered one of the most serious crimes. Especially back in the old days.
It might have been depicted in that way, but it is to save others. A concept such as killing a loved one or parent because they are evil isn't uncommon in fiction. But even in Shang-Chi, it is clear that he does not want to kill his father, he wants to redeem him, in fact,the father tries to kill him multiple times,and he still tries to save him.
They could have taken their cues from ATLA - Zuko never actually fights his father. He chooses the morally right side and opposes him but he never really raises his hands to his father except in self-defense. Until I read your comment I hadn't considered it in that context, but unsurprisingly Avatar did it better.
Wait, the She Hulk team didn't understand how The Wall by Pink Floyd worked? It's no wonder the show tanked, considering these people had an understanding of filmmaking on par with Doug Walker
i agree with most of this stuff, but i genuinely enjoyed loki. it was a perfect way to introduce kang imo and i loved it. season 2 comes out this year and im excited.
I too enjoyed Loki, but tbh, I'm pretty sure it's all because of Tom Hiddleston. Loki is the character we know and love because he has an incredible actor portraying him. It was hard to get behind all the decisions the writers and directors made, but the actor made them bearable. Add Owen Wilson as a great opposite to him, and it was a lot a fun despite its failings. But when you pull it apart, it really doesn't make all that much sense. The Loki who'd been humbled by the loss of his mother and the destruction of his homeland died. The Loki who came to the TVA was a much earlier version who would never have picked up the emotional baggage of his dead counterpart from a few holo vids. He would've kept up his lying, trickster ways without a thought to helping anyone but himself. And don’t get me started on the weird relationship between him and Sylvie.
I gotta say, I dont give out praise often or easily. But after having watched probably 30+ of your videos over the last couple years one thing consistently stands out: You almost always hit the nail on the head. Keep it up, dont let either the 'based' or 'woke' sides turn you aside from giving honest heartfelt reviews.
I'm going to have to disagree. 99% of media with a theme has some sort of political message. The problem with phase 5 its lack of sutbley. Moby Dick's pushes forward a lot of politics and themes: Man vs Nature. Order vs Chaos. But on the surface level, it's just a story about a sailor with a hate-boner against a whale; if you prefer it to be just that, you can interpret it as such. Marvel's phase 5 *doesn't have any subtlely*, and the political messages it pushes are easy spot & are really abrasive. Yahtzee Croshaw.
@Gramme Atticus But you guys live Captain American Civil war.. make it make sense.. but you love Iron man.. that's not exactly leaving politics out, and the MCU has never done that. Maybe it's just politics you don't like
I’d be really interested to see a Drinkers Review of Netflix’s ‘Dark’ and ‘1899’, as it feels like the streaming channels are where the high quality writing is these days.
@AK007-Drakoin101 Crazy. Here in Germany everybody says German shows are mostly bad, streaming ones as well, Dark and 1899 are from the same writers and rare exceptions.
I think it is a simple solution that was totally missed by the writers, producers, and studios. How about this idea: keep original characters original, and add the "progressive" characters with more nteresting story lines and with more depth than previous phases.
What's really frustrating about the Wakanda thing is that then hoarding resources and standing by as bad things happen was actually addressed in the original. It was a large part of Killmonger's motivation. So they had some self awareness originally, but now they've regressed.
They quite literally pulled back on the development made in Black Panther. How does T'Challa's mom honour his son's first true command as King? Literally back down on everything.
I think what could save Black Panther is if they were willing to go into questioning the mistakes as a state they've made , and how they truly should move forward.....that , and actually having BLACK PANTHER in the movie 🙄🙄🙄
Soul less is a perfect way to describe it. The movies have no meat to the bone is the best way to put it. They pride themselves on having an ongoing storyline that had consequences, but from what we seen in phase 4 none of it seems to be detrimental. A prime example of Wanda getting scott free without any repercussions. Everyone being completely OK with her en slaving the town full of families/kids etc
Marvel should have been put on the shelf for about five years after Endgame's release. Man...going to see a Marvel movie used to feel like such a fun and awesome event. Still have fond memories of going to see them with my high school friends during Phase 3
Here's something that could have tied the 4th phase together: a consequence for meddling with time. (If Multiverse of Madness or any other movie covered this, I do apologize. I haven't been invested in Marvel movies for some time.) Be it through some sort of entity that regulates the timestream or some unforeseen anomaly like random events happening in their world, it could have been a way for them all to address individual issues that tie into something bigger down the line. But no, we got stuck with a line-up of characters that didn't necessarily shine.
@eyespy3001 Did you once skim-read a description of Thus Spake Zarathustra. If that was an attempt to pass yourself off as educated and well-read, it failed hard. Better luck next time kid.
I haven’t watched much of anything from Disney since Endgame. Once I saw the hostility and disrespect being directed at men, white men in particular, and white people in general, I literally tuned out. I am COMPLETELY on board the “Let’s give everyone a chance” ship but NEVER at the expense of someone else. We have been fighting so hard for years to treat each other equally as friends and allies yet somehow, we have reverted back to the same denigrating, sexist, racist behavior from the past, only new people to demonize now. Unbelievable! Thanks CD for keeping the doors of discovery open. Hopefully you’ll have 50 million views.
I honestly loved Shang-Chi. Characters were beautifully fleshed out and the story was rich in detail and heart. That said ... it didn't really feel like it was part of the MCU. Just a great stand-alone story.
@Ryley Stairs Definitely agree with that part. That was a common issue throughout all of phase four, unfortunately. But the film itself was fantastic. I’d have seen it even if it weren’t an MCU movie.
Absolutely agree, I feel like it was an amazing movie but they really should have had a way to tie it to marvel more besides Shang chi’s dads organization
that one scene where Riri tried to recreate the same flight test as Tony's mark 2 so effortlessly, even magically made the icing problem disappear, my heart was crushed, that ironman scene was vandalized by some "genius teenager" who can do it effortlessly without any notable effort at all compared to Tony who literally had to test it with many, many trials and errors, literally undermining his legacy by making it something that can easily be replicated by a girl not even a third his age, even already advancing to energy repulsor tech in the first armor
@Daniel Midkiff I think that's part of the problem. Audiences start losing track and losing interest beyond a certain number of characters and plot elements. Too many characters means they might not have enough screen time for us to get a proper sense of who they are and develop an attachment to them. It's like how you might have a lot of casual friends and acquaintances, but you can only have a much smaller number of really close friends that you've been able to get to know really well and develop that deeper relationship.
I think some of the earlier world building was sort of an optical illusion. When it was new and exciting, we the audience imagined and theorised and rejoiced in any connection we could find. But it was really relatively limited, with even the earliest movies not making the slightest effort to tie into each other (for eg, a single scene with Tony on the phone with literally any Avenger or SHIELD person after the Mandarin, could have built the world a little more with just a line or two tops) except for the big finale and we just didn't notice it the same way we noticed it in later movies when we had come to expect more.
I feel like their plan was to mostly break away from big overarching storytelling and focus on smaller, one-off stories to introduce a fresh batch of heroes before picking up the thread again in phase five. Which is actually a brilliant idea on paper, but for the reasons given the execution fell completely flat on practice.
11:16 the whole time while watching WandaVision, I fully watched it with the mindset that Wanda was in fact the villain. This did not change once during my entire watch.
Honestly in the past i would always be excited for every marvel project to come out, but now these days i go into a marvel movie or show thinking "Please be good"
@galatea I will not give up on it, alot of the new stuff isnt even bad, its just average, she hulk was the worst mcu project ever. But the other stuff still isnt bad, yes it hasn't been as great as phase 1-3. i thought eternals was the worst because it introduced too many characters too quick and almost half died, but i didnt hate the movie. And i saw on twitter one of the comic creators for she hulk said the shehulk show greatly respected the source material, even if thats true, it still was bad. And what kinda fan would just give up on the entire franchise completely? if you dont wanna watch something new marvel makes, you dont have to watch it, and can just watch a youtube vid on it so see how it affects overall mcu. like just getting a little summary like that while saving you time of watching a whole show you'll dislike could be good if there is a particular project you do not wish to watch?
I used to love Marvel movies too, but let's be honest: even if you just wanna have a chill time, there are way better things to do than to watch dumb, preachy superhero shows that don't even respect their source material anymore. Marvel shows are only going to get worse with time, so I advise you to not waste any more hours of your life and give up on them now.
I think part of the problem is the change in the films. It used to be the standalone films would fill you in on the character, and were entirely enjoyable on their own, with nods to other parts of the universe with everything coming together for the big flick Now it seems they're only interested in the group projects, neglecting the individual ones
Freckle Jesus(Falcon+WS). Everything she did and said was contradictory and orders of magnitude worse than what it was meant to combat. But then there's female Taskmaster... Wanda... all of the Eternals... both women in ShangChi... What's even the appeal of crossovers now? Who want's to watch anyone interact with The Marvels, SheHulk, America Chavez, ReRe Williams, Agatha Harkness, Black Panther's sister, Not Black Widow(what was her name again?), etc? "Oh boy! I can't wait to see which legendary hero gets c%%%ed next by ham-fisted female knock offs no one likes! Lemme buy my tickets NOW!" LOL nope. If that's what ya'll got going up against the next big bad, does anyone even care if they win? I genuinely don't. I'd rather see them lose, bc they deserve to. Like if they k%%%ed every single person they introduced in phase 4 and made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that they d%%% bc they didn't narratively earn their place, the audience's approval, or the name they STOLE... and I mean every one of them without exception... I still wouldn't come back. Bc why invest time, energy, or emotion in a company that just proved what it will do to the most popular franchises of all time? And over politics. Not desire to earn money... Politics. Nope. Never again.
@alexander macdougall own me me? He didn't own, he responded with the most basic garbage response ever. That's owning in your mind? BP2 he admits is based only on reviews. The actual movie milks the death of CB and is basically a rip off of Aquaman. MOM was a WandaVision sequel disguised as a Doctor Strange sequel that has its alleged main character play second fiddle to the mustache twirling villain disguised as Wanda and a teenage girl we had never met. Love and Thunder takes every criticism of Thor in Endgame and makes it 10 times worse. Anyone giving these movies more than ten minutes of thought can see thetmy are utter crap. Nothing is wrong with liking a bad movie, there a few I like. But admit they are bad instead of living in denial. I was giving this person a chance to prove they weren't just the typical MCU fanboy who blindly laps up whatever shitty product Disney dishes out, but they proved they were.
The mistake y'all are making is thinking these kabbalists actually care whether you're entertained. That's not the purpose of these films. So of course everything falls off after Armageddon.
So well said. Too bad Marvel won’t listen, but they’ve been actively ignoring sane advice in favor of trash supporting their skewed Message for some time now. Won’t change until decision-makers are replaced with people who grasp what the fans actually want to see and hire writers and directors who know what they are doing.
Many of these shows that I actually did watch felt off, but I did not know why. Your video is a real awakening. Now I see what the problem is, and it is really hard to unsee.
I agree with the Quantity over quality. Just because one can put out a lot of content in a short amount of time does not mean that they’re all going to be hits. If content seems rushed it will show in the writing. With too much content happening in the same year it doesn’t give the audience a chance to process and remember what they take in.
Over the last 2-3 years I've gotten more joy from the The Drinker ripping on all these movies & shows than actually watching them. Tbh I started to like Marvel's f**k ups cuz it just means I'll just have more hilarious rants to listen to. Sincere thanks brother! Cheers 🍻
Love your videos and your takes on film and tv. I'd be curious to know what you think of the changes made to the Wilson Fisk character from the Netflix produced Daredevil series and the Disney produced Hawkeye series. Keep up the great work! Thanks!
A part of what killed it for me was definitely Marvel's new obsession with "strong female" leads. They way they characterise their heroines now just pisses me off: "I suffered more than man, so I'm more deserving of respect!! I'm always much smarter than anyone else in the room!! I use force if man don't listen to me!!" Just UGHHH... That doesn't make me wanna root for them, this makes me want to punch them to stop being so obnoxious
Great video the only thing i watched in phase 4 was WandaVision. The end of that show told me enough about the direction of the universe and I said "No- you will not get my money." They need to bring back Punisher
I have often considered phase 3 to be telling the Infinity Saga from the Avengers' point of view, where the belief in life is affirmed and that the universe deserves a sceond chance, while phase 4 better articulates Thanos' argument, showing how the continuous thriving of life would eventually lead to complete chaos and degeneracy and that it might have been better if things just ended a bit sooner XD
@Dragonage2ftw Yes, you see it every time you post another "clever" remark and try to be smart. What's it like to be an edgy teenager these days, is it still as embarrassing and lonely as ever?
@Tube Torpedo Remember his original solution for his own planet's problems, as he told it to Strange before the fight? He was LAUGHED at, and thus begins the classic villain motivation -- EGO. He didn't care anymore whether the idea made sense -- it was HIS idea, and how dare those fools laugh at The Mighty Thanos? It became impossible for him to even imagine that he could have been wrong. Then he retired someplace that he'd probably never have to see the outcome, so he could continue in his delusion that he was both right AND a galactic savior.
Ironically, Thanos is a huge part of the reason that chaos came to be. In his attempt for order, he caused chaos. “One often meets their destiny on the road to avoid it.”
At this point I feel like a good take would either start the MCU again, but with an art style change (like with the new Batman movie). It is proven by history that art goes in one direction for a while, after what it goes the complete opposite direction. Or start it again but from some kind of villain perspective
All of the moral contradictions could have been pulled off as clever ironies to help people recognize the evils of greed, power, and manipulation. But too many people making this stuff honestly believe that these evils are actually good, so long as they are done by people who check all the correct intersectional boxes.
The creative direction for the first phase was essentialy the Infinity stones that were sprinkled in all their movies and then Thanos took them all the erased half the Universe. I actually think this phase had a creative direction, it was The Multiverse. We saw that in Loki, then Wanda got nuts and we saw her in Doctor Strange 2 which about going from one Universe to another. And Spider-Man: No Way Home also had parallel Universes things(and you had Doctor Strange in both movies). And I believe Ant-Man 3 is gonna be that as well(with Kang appearing). But they didn't do an enough good job at tying them all together. This could have been pretty incredible but they somehow ignored all these progects from one TV show and one movie to another.
I think it would be cool if these big studios took their massive budget and divided it up into a few smaller new talent groups. It would produce more movies and we could all try them out and select our favorite ones. And having a smaller budget (in my opinion) means more passionate groups would jump into the roles. Idk I just wish Hollywood would bring back ugly people since they were vastly more talented since they couldn't scrape by on good looks alone.
My father used to always hate watching movies and being reminded of political issues and I always questioned why. I think he summed it up pretty well. "I watch movies to escape the world we live in, not be reminded of how bad it all really is. I'm already aware of these issues and I get they need addressing. That's why I watch the news. I don't watch movies to be reminded of it and if I did: I'd CHOOSE to watch those specific movies about the subject, like Schindlers List or something. I watch Alien or The Terminator to go on a visual adventure and forget the world for an hour or so. Not to be reminded that I'm a bad person with a sordid past." Why can't we have those adventures anymore? It seems everything has to be injected with a moral that doesn't match the story/adventure we're trying to escape to and instead of making it seem more real we're just diluting the plot. The cost of this is regressing away from the adventure/escape we all desire to experience.
@Gino Segnini I'm playing the Final Fantasy VII remake now, and that game, along with the original FFVII, has a clear, even preachy environmentalist message that would make even Greta Thunberg blush!
You should watch The Ten Commandments starting the late Charlton Heston as Moses. That movie has a clear moral message about God's Law which is applicable to every generation.
The thing about quantity over quality seems to be striking multiple companies actually. As much as Marvel and Disney are pumping out junk as fast as possible, another company that used to be loved by a lot of people, Wizards of the Coast, is doing the same thing. Consumers are getting product fatigue from everyone, and i hope now companies start to catch on we don't have the time money or attention to give to 15 different products in a year.
8:57 To be honest, I'd have liked to see Bucky take up the shield, because there was a ton of evidence throughout his run that indicated that he would be the next Captain America, but that was unfortunately tossed aside for the sake of identity politics that felt hamfisted and unearned.
I liked the concept Sam raimi was using and it has a meta narrative going on which some of us have always been aware of but can't talk candidly about. Because of how the truth of things is stranger than fiction. I might make a video on it maybe idk
@Rivera Harperi’d argue that was Multiverse of Madness’ fault, not Wandavision’s. Wandavision atleast gave us something fresh to stand out from the bland unoriginal mush of other phase 4 content, and while the finale could’ve been better it left a lot of open plotlines and possibilities for future movies. Then dr strange 2 took one look at it and said “hey, we’re gonna undo your entire character arc from that show and make you evil for no reason”
Here's where I'm confused: Does everyone think that line refers to Wanda's actions to the town? Cringe as it seems, I think that the line is talking about what she had to do to Vision in Infinity Wars. Wasn't the whole point of Wandavision Wanda's grief over losing Vision? Wanda herself brings it up in Multiverse of Madness when she's talking to Strange above Kamartaj (is that spelled right?). That makes more sense in my mind.
There are so few movies that lead you to ask yourself interesting questions now. They all just tell you what you should think. There are so few exceptions it’s barely worth sifting through the crap to find the gems. It’s really to bad. I liked movies.
it’s really a shame when good ongoing story’s get destroyed. not like star wars or indiana jones where they rebooted it and we can just ignore it. when they ruin something that was so good within the span of a couple of years
No Way Home was an unexpected treat, otherwise much of Phase 4 left no impact on me. Even movies I didn't necessarily hate were still so entirely forgettable that after they served their purpose of distracting me for 2 hours, my brain instantly deleted all memories of it to make room for more Biker Mice From Mars fanfic
I'll never forget the Shehulk creators stating that they did all of the bs antics on purpose just to get a certain demographic of ppl mad... Their core fan base smh
They have to do restructuring and if they don't realize this they will go down with the ship, there is still tk turn it around before all is lost, great video by the critical drinker, keep it up
When I left the theater after watching Endgame in 2019, I remember telling myself that "it's probably gonna suck after this. This is the peak of the mountain" I'm disappointed that I was right P. S. RIP Jason David Frank
I had decided to give up MCU back then. It was a great ending. I didn't need to follow through the whole thing anymore. I am not much of a 'series' guy. Captain Marvel was the first sign that they could make boring films. Incredible Hulk was decent. Iron Man 2 was fun. Even Dark World had its moments. Thanks to Loki and Thor. So, i decided to end it after this. I watched the Spider-man films for my love of previous Spider-man films. I watched Far from Home because i learnt that J Jonah Jameson is coming. Same is with No Way Home. The fact that they made series strengthened my determination. This should be fun. Not like homework. Looks like i made a nice decision. Even if the series gets better i don't think i am interested. This is too fan centered for my tastes.
I really hope and pray that Disney pays attention to the fact that their stock has gone down 44 percent, and have lost over a hundred billion dollars in the past couple years, phase 5 and 6 will be what they should be
I would add that the new premise with the Multiverse gets rid of any and all tension when you know there's another version of that character somewhere. It's why they can just kill off prof X and Reed Richards in such a throw away manner because they can just get another one from a different universe should they need to. It's like playing a video game but with infinite health, literally no tension or stakes until maybe the very end when a multiverse level threat arrives. As it stands, every movie feels like filler or a spin-off rather than moving a greater story forward.
Last time ill out this long point out there. The infinity saga was great cuz the individual parts were great, and the biggest entries were handled by the same four ppl. Directors, writers. Branaugh, favreau, johnston, whedon, the russos, even the incredible hulk had a good team. They made it good, and the sludge just filled in some cracks. Marvel saw it backwards. They thought it was the sludge that sold. So they thought they could now cheap out on writers and directors after endgame. So now we have a ratio of sludge to good that doesnt work.
I agreed with most of your video except the part about new actors replacing the old ones that decided to walk away. You know most of those replacements happened in the comics. Falcon becomes captain America and TChala’s sister becomes black panther for a little while
Its mind boggling to think that we have almost as many movies before endgame then we do after it. Especially when you think that in the grand scheme of things endgame wasn't released that long ago, 3 years and 1 was a gap year due to the rona. An entire universe was gracefully expanded over the span of an entire generation, and in just two years it has been replicated with downgrades on all aspects
@Tanika Gabrielle Well, those must be the same people who get upset when Velma in Scooby-Doo is portrayed as straight; someone decided once that she was a lesbian and now the dogma is that she loves pussy when there was nothing remotely sexual in the original animated series. They are so desperate to see themselves represented on screen (because apparently that's the only way their existence can ever be validated) that they will retroactively appropriate old IPs.
WandaVision was so good but after that they didn’t care to follow a certain storyline and it felt like watching random things. Phase 4 had so much potential but they wasted it
Every single point you made also applies completely to the Marvel Comics Universe and to the mainstream comics industry in general. The idiots destroyed the comics universe and then transferred all those failed characters and broad storylines to the MCU. And they wonder why people are leaving in droves…
I firmly believe the acquisition of all the Fox assets and characters threw the whole MCU creative direction in shock. Hopefully they are going to right the ship in Phase 5
Seriously? The shipping fans actually wanted them to make Wednesday lesbian? Why just to say there's LGBTQ inside the show? She was never lesbian in any of the stories of her told, and she wasn't even into romance/dating period but that fairly attributed to a more hormonal teen version of her not being portrayed in any stories, the latest show humanizes her & makes her more of a real person than all the past ones.
Supposedly this is all leading up to the long awaited (and I mean really long awaited) Secret Wars. This was a very good very special series of Marvel comics that was released when I was 12 years old, FORTY-FIVE YEARS AGO. I guess doing a film version of this event now will cut down the royalties Marvel will have to pay to the original artists and writers but what about all the great heroes and stories that occurred between then and now? I'm going to watch it for no other reason just to see if they're going to attempt to womansplain where Spidey's black costume REALLY came from 😄🤣😁
Thanos was the good guy after all. He tried to prevent this from happening. He tried to save us from phase 4 and beyond.
Thanos: Most peaceful villian
Awesomeness
Amen.
We are sorry Thanos . You were clearly the best .
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I think what killed phase 4 for me was how they took powerful characters and turned them into jokes constantly
@Jorge Montesinos America is a majority white country. With a majority white history. The heroes in marvel are majority American. It makes sense. Forced diversity is more offensive than subconscious exclusion…by a country mile.
I don’t even care, I just won’t watch, but let’s call a spade a spade. Their current “woke”, or “inclusive” direction is the heart of their downfall. A character being just “a woman” or just “black” makes for a shitty character, and the money troubles show it. However, it’s their art, if they want to go that direction, fair enough. But don’t complain and attack your fandom because of it. They told you what they want and don’t want, stop trying to change the world and just make entertainment people actually want to see. Nobody wants to be lectured when watching something that helps them ESCAPE from the real world.
@Dallasss Explain why they absolutely RUINED all the male superheroes like Thor, Gorr, Hulk, Loki, Dr. Strange, Wong, Reed Richards, Cap America, Falcon, Hawkeye, Kingpin, Red Guardian etc etc. They even ruined women like Wanda, Black Widow etc. XD
@Jorge Montesinos Male white characters overrepresented in MCU:
> Add more great other characters.
> Replace all the existing male white characters with black women.
MSHEU: Repeatedly bashing the second button to death.
Thor love and thunder could have been better if they took some risks with Gor. They had christian bale.
When my wife and I finally sat down to watch Black Widow, I had recently watched your video talking about how women will always beat men in many modern movies, and how showing a man beating a woman (evil or not) is almost impossible these days.
With that in mind, we actually had several plot points revealed to us: like how when Black Widow was getting beaten by a masked individual, we quickly realized that HAD to be a woman under the mask; or when the big tough guy finally gets to show how big and tough he is, but finds himself fighting women…well…it was obvious what was going to happen. He didn’t get to beat a single one and was just a punching bag.
So we tested your observation, and it was completely true.
@Mouse Metal yeah kind of like how this reflects on real life nowadays on the mainstream media purposely ignoring bad women while only focusing on bad men etc.
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@Santino exactly. Black widow was such a insult towards Natasha
It´s even worse: the women were poor mind-controlled victims and were liberated in the end, but the male goons were killed without any mention if they were mind-controlled too or not. I supposed they were, considering how insanely fanatical they were.
Yelena and the fake mother character were both terrible people but they face no consequences for it.
Number 5 is dead on. Literally, in Wanda Vision I didn't understand why everyone pretended the guy trying to stop Wanda from doing something so heinous was viewed as the villain. Like, wat
That’s the thing about modern society and movies is that the feminist movement is upholding the idea that women should not be accountable for any wrongdoings
Just look at the justification for Wanda’s actions
Wanda enslaved and mass murdering people: “Wanda didn’t know what she’s doing even when she knew it, it was because Darkhold influenced her.”
Wanda messed with Tony’s mind into creating Ultron and messed with Bruce’s mind into killing civilians: “Nah, Tony and Bruce are weak-willed pussies. If they are really that good person in the first place, they wouldn’t have their minds controlled easily.”
Always a victim, never at fault for her own actions.
@Justap Erson what's even weirder is that the children were fake, so he wasn't trying to kill kids, he was trying to stop super-powered projections of a madwoman
Then they had that weird scene of him trying to shoot the children literally to remind the audience that he was the villain instead of her. I liked the show but it's very weird indeed.
"Bland forgettable sludge" is the best way to describe Marvels current state
@ajivins1 I get it
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@ajivins1 at least 105 seem to do. Also it's called a matter of opinion. If you like garbage that's your choice
“Identity politics is the death of entertainment”.
Very well put my friend. Entertainment is supposed to be a reprieve from daily life, not a deeper plunge into the same shut we’re bombarded with daily.
@Thinking boi That's what made Civil War so good. It gave you a dilemma. It invited the audience to form their own opinion, their own ideologies and their own justifications for those ideas. It wasn't like "iron man team is bad. Cap team is good". There was genuine conflict to which the audience could engage.
But now the "moral conflicts" they could present aren't even conflicts anymore, they are presented as facts. "Men are bad. Women are good". That's it, the MCU states this as an unquestionable fact. There's no dilemma, no room for discussion.
@Thinking boi very well said, thank you
The problem is that those "politics" boil down to "Side A good, Side B bad" and that's propaganda (unless it is about morally wrong things like war)
Politics in media should be something like "Is side A good? Is side B justifiable?" Because then it makes the viewer/reader/player question their own beliefs and can bring some sort of discussion around it, rewarding the player/reader/viewer's intelligence.
That’s what killed the franchise. All of my friends say the same thing. I have a very diverse friend group too.
Can somebody please tell Marvel that having female characters tell their male counterparts that they have suffered more than them when the men have literally been physically abused or even tried to commit suicide is not cute or empowering? Thanks.
Yours truly,
a woman
I'm sure someone has, and Marvel has waved it off as misogyny or coming from incels.
8:03 what is this Kung-fu tai-chi BS? Looking like a school project by a college student on TIKTOK
@6Kubik The fact that you are allowed to say something like that, whether it is satire or not, is such a gift. I so badly wish I were born a woman. It is worth all the physical pain in the world to not be treated like trash constantly by society.
In Black Panther 2's defense, the Black Panther actually is a mantle that is passed on, unlike Ironman or Captain America.
Unfortunately passing that mantle on his never been successful. No one wants a Black Panther that isn't T'Challa. I don't understand why no one making movies at Marvel didn't go talk to the comics division. The movies are making the exact same mistakes that drove away large parts of their comic book audience when they did their _All-New All-Different Marvel_ in 2016, right down to the pushing the exact same characters (like Riri Williams and America Chavez). DC Comics _Infinite Frontier_ similarly crashed and burned a few years later and they're currently trying to reverse all the changes to stop hemorrhaging readers (like me).
The people bringing up Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson in these comments show how these mantle passings almost never really work. Sure, they both _used the Captain America name_ (as did John Walker) but Steve Rogers was always brought back in 2 or 3 years. They never *became* Captain America. When people say "Captain America" no one asks "which one?"
yeah, that's the one film i can forgive for being mid out of all mcu movies. they were in a tough spot with Chadwick's death.
@DemiZeそ Mania i know bro, but thats not the discussion here
Without a doubt this is the most detailed and well researched piece on the Marvel Phase 4. Every point that the Drinker makes is spot on. I just hope that someone from Marvel who understands cinema and has a lot of authority actually sees this and decides to act on this by going back to the drawing board and making changes to the plan.
True, except that I feel he didn't cover the female replacement phenomenon enough, but maybe it was to avoid giving his enemy too much ammunition
They probably won't and even if they will, it will only be the smaller writers who unfortunately don't have that big of a say in the script.
You are spot on with the characters being replaced by someone younger with the exact same skill set. I grew up watching iron man and captain America. My favorite ever. And for them to just ge replaced with someone is so cringe and hurts.
@Movement Lifestyle Thousands of years of human culture, billions of people that have gotten invested in some form of entertainment, a psychological system that makes us connect with people we don't know or are made up, but apparently you know best huh
@Dallasss That's what happens when you put celebrities on a pedestal, lol. These guys need to stop worshipping everyone they see on screen. Accept people for who they are, not for who you think they are. There are actual problems in this world that need our attention yet a huge number of people have forgotten how to see the lines between entertainment and actual problems that need solutions asap!.
The fact that they can say a movie 'hurt's' them, shows how emotionally invested they are in things that aren't real. No wonder people don't have a lot of depth to them these days.
You're a grown man and a movie is hurting you...
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Finally someone who tells it how it is… the heart in Marvel left when we lost Stan Lee
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I rewatched the original Iron Man the other day and the change in tone and focus is mindblowing.
I think we'll all recognize the real talent here was Critical Drinker limiting himself to just five reasons.
I'm sure his drunkenly scribbled notes have alot more and then he sobered up to find 2 hours and a half worth of complaints 🤣
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This isn't CinemaSins, you know, but I see your point. 😔
@Grid Meter Nor what award.
A Razzie is, f'rex, an award.
If he's got more, I'd love to hear them!
After bingeing most of your vids in about a week, I came to genuinely respect your passion for storytelling and knowledge of how it should be done. I agree with your emphasis on well-written, believable characters that you can enjoy going on a journey with. And the deepest, most fundamental aspects of your criticism inspired me to finally do something. Something I knew I wasn’t ready for when I first imagined it.
For the last 20 years, I have written roughly 1 million words for friends and family, with the simple purpose of earning adequate skill at storytelling. I honed my writing, and even ultimately benefited from deep, painful personal struggles, so that I could finally tell a specific short story. It complements and builds up one of your favorite films of all time. And, incidentally, it also showcases many examples of genuine masculinity displayed in a variety of ways.
Further, I feel it sets a very high bar for what respectful, quality “fanfiction” should strive to be. Upholding a beloved work. Understanding it, valuing it, and forgiving any supposed flaws. Contributing a modest addition to someone else’s great legacy. Underscoring and deepening the arc of an already beloved character. Teaching the same positive lessons with the same noble themes, in a slightly different way. Honoring the work, the creator of that work, and all those who have come to love it for what it is.
I strove to keep it focused, purposeful, limiting it to just 25,000 words. It may not be perfect, but it certainly tries to be. I hope you will consider giving it a read. Based on what you’ve shown everyone of your true self (behind your hilarious outward persona), I believe you will approve of these efforts. You may be uplifted and proud for having put forth the time to read it. And you will then enjoy going back to watch your favorite trilogy yet again, perhaps getting even more out of the experience.
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Particularly like the analysis that people get very attached to the characters and this includes the people acting as them when they wear the role perfectly. People have even gone so far as to get tattoos of these images and logos. If that's not enough to make you realise these things mean something to these people, then nothing will.
I'm a comic book reader. I can speak from experience that passing mantles down and trying to push new characters in favor of the old ones almost never works. It especially doesn't work if too much of that is done at once.
Brilliant analysis, Drinker. I have been a huge comics fan all my life and thought the first phases of the MCU were something special. Ever since, Disney’s incessant drumbeat about identity politics and shaping what they feel society should be, not to mention creative meandering, has just put me off. Haven’t seen a new Marvel property since last year now, I just don’t care anymore.
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I definitely agree that they need to find filmmakers who are actually passionate about the material and assign them to material that plays to their strengths, but I think that the current formula of picking independent filmmakers for the job isn't the main source of the problem. Marvel has almost always hired directors with no experience making big budget films. Joe Johnston, Louis Leterrier and Shane Black are exceptions, but other than that it's always been directors who came directly from low-budget films or completely unrelated genres, and the best films in the MCU come from these odd choices. My favorite film from the MCU is the Netflix Daredevil series, and even though this is a gritty crime drama with brutal fight scenes and legal procedure, it was mostly developed by people who came from fantasy/supernatural television shows. Drew Godard, Steven S. DeKnight and Doug Petrie were all writers on Joss Whedon's Buffy shows, and Eric Oleson came from being a showrunner on CW's Arrow.
@Batuhan he calls out the woman who directed The Eternals because she only has experience making incredibly awe-inspiring, award winning films, and he blames her for Eternals being lousy. But that’s an oversimplification. Eternals sucked because the source material is trash, the characters are boring and derivative, the story is lame, and it didn’t fit in with the rest of the MCU. None of this is the directors fault. The director was handed a turd and she polished the shit out of it. The final result is amazing visuals and solid performances from the cast, but still not enough to overcome the trash story.
@kobGreg.Channel I'm not sure if you understand his argument though. The thing is, Disney is hiring women as directors because of the political climate - that's a good thing in my opinion but the drinker would probably disagree. However, those female directors did not have enough experience to carry such a blockbuster franchise and please the fans.
@Batuhan the guy is extremely angry that Marvel allows any women in creative roles. He goes on to blame the women writers and directors of Phase 4 for ruining all of Phase 4, at the same time ignoring all of the crappy content from male writers and directors. Not to mention that all of these movies and shows take hundreds of people to make them suck, most of whom are male. But the guy ignores all that because it supports his argument that women are bad.
To sum it up, mommy issues.
@kobGreg.Channel could you elaborate? I mean, Drinker is biased as hell, but he's right in a way. What is your opinion?
I easily thought of an episode that could've been used in She-Hulk. She-Hulk gets a call from Pepper and asked her to help her in a case of an unknown superhero proclaiming himself as an official Avenger with documents to prove Tony Stark approved. She-Hulk meets Pepper have a small talk to understand the case and learn more about Tony's continous search on heroes to make them Avengers (before finding Peter).
So they start looking through the documents to finding this mysterious hero proclaiming to be an Avenger. They start reading the files and watching videos of Tony interviewing different heroes with unique powers and testing their tactics with their powers extents. Naturally some have future potential that can appear in future series/movies. While others have failed Naturally or have comedic moments. Like having the bot with fire extinguisher continues spraying a hero with fire abilities. The next day that same hero becomes paranoid with the bot.
that would've been better than the entirety of season 1
MCU Phase 4 is like taking some random side quests after completing the main campaign.
Exactly. They peaked majorly with Endgame and now have no idea where to go from that point.
I like that very much.
It would be cool if it was Yakuza Level sidequests but these are like Ass Creed sidequests
Side quests can often be a lot of fun though. Phase 4 is like the pointless side quests put in by developers at the last second for the sake of putting in more stuff.
This is how I feel, but I couldn’t think of how else to word it till now.
I like how company, who has shown patricide in "Shang-chi" in a way "it is okay to kill your father if he is a villain", talks about morals.
I am not very familiar with Chinese culture, but even I know that the murder of an elder (and especially a father!) is considered one of the most serious crimes. Especially back in the old days.
Kinslaying was considered to be a curse one takes upon themselves, even when done for just reasons.
It might have been depicted in that way, but it is to save others. A concept such as killing a loved one or parent because they are evil isn't uncommon in fiction. But even in Shang-Chi, it is clear that he does not want to kill his father, he wants to redeem him, in fact,the father tries to kill him multiple times,and he still tries to save him.
They could have taken their cues from ATLA - Zuko never actually fights his father. He chooses the morally right side and opposes him but he never really raises his hands to his father except in self-defense. Until I read your comment I hadn't considered it in that context, but unsurprisingly Avatar did it better.
Wait, the She Hulk team didn't understand how The Wall by Pink Floyd worked? It's no wonder the show tanked, considering these people had an understanding of filmmaking on par with Doug Walker
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i agree with most of this stuff, but i genuinely enjoyed loki. it was a perfect way to introduce kang imo and i loved it. season 2 comes out this year and im excited.
I too enjoyed Loki, but tbh, I'm pretty sure it's all because of Tom Hiddleston. Loki is the character we know and love because he has an incredible actor portraying him. It was hard to get behind all the decisions the writers and directors made, but the actor made them bearable. Add Owen Wilson as a great opposite to him, and it was a lot a fun despite its failings. But when you pull it apart, it really doesn't make all that much sense. The Loki who'd been humbled by the loss of his mother and the destruction of his homeland died. The Loki who came to the TVA was a much earlier version who would never have picked up the emotional baggage of his dead counterpart from a few holo vids. He would've kept up his lying, trickster ways without a thought to helping anyone but himself. And don’t get me started on the weird relationship between him and Sylvie.
"It feels more like an assembly line"
Yeah, that's modern Marvel.
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I gotta say, I dont give out praise often or easily. But after having watched probably 30+ of your videos over the last couple years one thing consistently stands out:
You almost always hit the nail on the head.
Keep it up, dont let either the 'based' or 'woke' sides turn you aside from giving honest heartfelt reviews.
"Politics is the death of entertainment."
Well said.
I'm going to have to disagree. 99% of media with a theme has some sort of political message. The problem with phase 5 its lack of sutbley. Moby Dick's pushes forward a lot of politics and themes: Man vs Nature. Order vs Chaos. But on the surface level, it's just a story about a sailor with a hate-boner against a whale; if you prefer it to be just that, you can interpret it as such. Marvel's phase 5 *doesn't have any subtlely*, and the political messages it pushes are easy spot & are really abrasive. Yahtzee Croshaw.
@Gramme Atticus But you guys live Captain American Civil war.. make it make sense.. but you love Iron man.. that's not exactly leaving politics out, and the MCU has never done that. Maybe it's just politics you don't like
@SlashNBurn92 this it is I really agree with you
@Thy N00bly polarized masses are easier to divide and conquer
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I’d be really interested to see a Drinkers Review of Netflix’s ‘Dark’ and ‘1899’, as it feels like the streaming channels are where the high quality writing is these days.
Update - RIP 1899 😖
@CS Media I would recommend Babylon Berlin and Barbarians then :))
@AK007-Drakoin101 Crazy. Here in Germany everybody says German shows are mostly bad, streaming ones as well, Dark and 1899 are from the same writers and rare exceptions.
Atleast the German content on streaming shows lol
More than likely the best review you have done, and you have done tons of excellent ones! Thank you for your hard work!
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Just like Tatiana, you've gotten straight to the point, and done it satisfyingly. Cheers you cheeky gem of a man!
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I think it is a simple solution that was totally missed by the writers, producers, and studios. How about this idea: keep original characters original, and add the "progressive" characters with more nteresting story lines and with more depth than previous phases.
@Merle Foust bro did you just reply to yourself lmaon
I would add, don't kill the golden geese and alienate the fan base.
As a standalone origin story movie, I really enjoyed shang chi
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What's really frustrating about the Wakanda thing is that then hoarding resources and standing by as bad things happen was actually addressed in the original. It was a large part of Killmonger's motivation. So they had some self awareness originally, but now they've regressed.
@Matane My guy, have you even read the comics?
They quite literally pulled back on the development made in Black Panther. How does T'Challa's mom honour his son's first true command as King? Literally back down on everything.
I think what could save Black Panther is if they were willing to go into questioning the mistakes as a state they've made , and how they truly should move forward.....that , and actually having BLACK PANTHER in the movie 🙄🙄🙄
@Intranetusa oh you're right, I've made a mistake with the century.
You are SO right and that is why I refuse to give Disney ANY of my hard-earned money for entirety of my remaining life unless they change their ways.
Soul less is a perfect way to describe it. The movies have no meat to the bone is the best way to put it. They pride themselves on having an ongoing storyline that had consequences, but from what we seen in phase 4 none of it seems to be detrimental. A prime example of Wanda getting scott free without any repercussions. Everyone being completely OK with her en slaving the town full of families/kids etc
Marvel should have been put on the shelf for about five years after Endgame's release.
Man...going to see a Marvel movie used to feel like such a fun and awesome event. Still have fond memories of going to see them with my high school friends during Phase 3
Mcu phase 4 is like taking random side quests after completing the main story
Here's something that could have tied the 4th phase together: a consequence for meddling with time. (If Multiverse of Madness or any other movie covered this, I do apologize. I haven't been invested in Marvel movies for some time.) Be it through some sort of entity that regulates the timestream or some unforeseen anomaly like random events happening in their world, it could have been a way for them all to address individual issues that tie into something bigger down the line. But no, we got stuck with a line-up of characters that didn't necessarily shine.
"Politics is the death of entertainment."
- another wise quote from the Critical Drinker
@eyespy3001 Did you once skim-read a description of Thus Spake Zarathustra. If that was an attempt to pass yourself off as educated and well-read, it failed hard. Better luck next time kid.
I haven’t watched much of anything from Disney since Endgame. Once I saw the hostility and disrespect being directed at men, white men in particular, and white people in general, I literally tuned out. I am COMPLETELY on board the “Let’s give everyone a chance” ship but NEVER at the expense of someone else. We have been fighting so hard for years to treat each other equally as friends and allies yet somehow, we have reverted back to the same denigrating, sexist, racist behavior from the past, only new people to demonize now. Unbelievable! Thanks CD for keeping the doors of discovery open. Hopefully you’ll have 50 million views.
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'And all of this from a multi-billion-dollar-company with a questionable moral standing' damn the drinker snapped right there HAHAAAAA💀💀💀💀.
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John Walker was like the only good thing to come out of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Change my mind.
Oh, wait.
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I honestly loved Shang-Chi. Characters were beautifully fleshed out and the story was rich in detail and heart. That said ... it didn't really feel like it was part of the MCU. Just a great stand-alone story.
@Ryley Stairs Definitely agree with that part. That was a common issue throughout all of phase four, unfortunately. But the film itself was fantastic. I’d have seen it even if it weren’t an MCU movie.
Absolutely agree, I feel like it was an amazing movie but they really should have had a way to tie it to marvel more besides Shang chi’s dads organization
that one scene where Riri tried to recreate the same flight test as Tony's mark 2 so effortlessly, even magically made the icing problem disappear, my heart was crushed, that ironman scene was vandalized by some "genius teenager" who can do it effortlessly without any notable effort at all compared to Tony who literally had to test it with many, many trials and errors, literally undermining his legacy by making it something that can easily be replicated by a girl not even a third his age, even already advancing to energy repulsor tech in the first armor
I don't know how Disney managed to make the MCU's world building feel so small in the recent years
@Daniel Midkiff I think that's part of the problem. Audiences start losing track and losing interest beyond a certain number of characters and plot elements. Too many characters means they might not have enough screen time for us to get a proper sense of who they are and develop an attachment to them. It's like how you might have a lot of casual friends and acquaintances, but you can only have a much smaller number of really close friends that you've been able to get to know really well and develop that deeper relationship.
I do. It's called wokism.
@PhoenixLord777 the author care more about cool stuff and money, but not with the mature worldbuilding that make the story meaningful and have souls
I think some of the earlier world building was sort of an optical illusion. When it was new and exciting, we the audience imagined and theorised and rejoiced in any connection we could find. But it was really relatively limited, with even the earliest movies not making the slightest effort to tie into each other (for eg, a single scene with Tony on the phone with literally any Avenger or SHIELD person after the Mandarin, could have built the world a little more with just a line or two tops) except for the big finale and we just didn't notice it the same way we noticed it in later movies when we had come to expect more.
I feel like their plan was to mostly break away from big overarching storytelling and focus on smaller, one-off stories to introduce a fresh batch of heroes before picking up the thread again in phase five.
Which is actually a brilliant idea on paper, but for the reasons given the execution fell completely flat on practice.
The condition for one off stories is that they must be of good quality. Black Mirror has one off episodes but nobody would watch it if it was shit
One of the best explanations man. You said everything that we wanted to speak out. Absolutely Perfect.
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11:16 the whole time while watching WandaVision, I fully watched it with the mindset that Wanda was in fact the villain.
This did not change once during my entire watch.
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Honestly in the past i would always be excited for every marvel project to come out, but now these days i go into a marvel movie or show thinking "Please be good"
@galatea I will not give up on it, alot of the new stuff isnt even bad, its just average, she hulk was the worst mcu project ever. But the other stuff still isnt bad, yes it hasn't been as great as phase 1-3. i thought eternals was the worst because it introduced too many characters too quick and almost half died, but i didnt hate the movie. And i saw on twitter one of the comic creators for she hulk said the shehulk show greatly respected the source material, even if thats true, it still was bad. And what kinda fan would just give up on the entire franchise completely? if you dont wanna watch something new marvel makes, you dont have to watch it, and can just watch a youtube vid on it so see how it affects overall mcu. like just getting a little summary like that while saving you time of watching a whole show you'll dislike could be good if there is a particular project you do not wish to watch?
I used to love Marvel movies too, but let's be honest: even if you just wanna have a chill time, there are way better things to do than to watch dumb, preachy superhero shows that don't even respect their source material anymore. Marvel shows are only going to get worse with time, so I advise you to not waste any more hours of your life and give up on them now.
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I think part of the problem is the change in the films.
It used to be the standalone films would fill you in on the character, and were entirely enjoyable on their own, with nods to other parts of the universe with everything coming together for the big flick
Now it seems they're only interested in the group projects, neglecting the individual ones
"Soulless" is a great way to describe phase 4. This was an excellent breakdown.
@alexander macdougall Exactly
Freckle Jesus(Falcon+WS). Everything she did and said was contradictory and orders of magnitude worse than what it was meant to combat. But then there's female Taskmaster... Wanda... all of the Eternals... both women in ShangChi... What's even the appeal of crossovers now? Who want's to watch anyone interact with The Marvels, SheHulk, America Chavez, ReRe Williams, Agatha Harkness, Black Panther's sister, Not Black Widow(what was her name again?), etc?
"Oh boy! I can't wait to see which legendary hero gets c%%%ed next by ham-fisted female knock offs no one likes! Lemme buy my tickets NOW!" LOL nope. If that's what ya'll got going up against the next big bad, does anyone even care if they win? I genuinely don't. I'd rather see them lose, bc they deserve to.
Like if they k%%%ed every single person they introduced in phase 4 and made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that they d%%% bc they didn't narratively earn their place, the audience's approval, or the name they STOLE... and I mean every one of them without exception... I still wouldn't come back. Bc why invest time, energy, or emotion in a company that just proved what it will do to the most popular franchises of all time? And over politics. Not desire to earn money... Politics. Nope. Never again.
@alexander macdougall own me me? He didn't own, he responded with the most basic garbage response ever. That's owning in your mind?
BP2 he admits is based only on reviews. The actual movie milks the death of CB and is basically a rip off of Aquaman. MOM was a WandaVision sequel disguised as a Doctor Strange sequel that has its alleged main character play second fiddle to the mustache twirling villain disguised as Wanda and a teenage girl we had never met. Love and Thunder takes every criticism of Thor in Endgame and makes it 10 times worse. Anyone giving these movies more than ten minutes of thought can see thetmy are utter crap. Nothing is wrong with liking a bad movie, there a few I like. But admit they are bad instead of living in denial.
I was giving this person a chance to prove they weren't just the typical MCU fanboy who blindly laps up whatever shitty product Disney dishes out, but they proved they were.
@Very Cool that's not the purpose?
Whatever.
The mistake y'all are making is thinking these kabbalists actually care whether you're entertained. That's not the purpose of these films. So of course everything falls off after Armageddon.
So well said. Too bad Marvel won’t listen, but they’ve been actively ignoring sane advice in favor of trash supporting their skewed Message for some time now. Won’t change until decision-makers are replaced with people who grasp what the fans actually want to see and hire writers and directors who know what they are doing.
Many of these shows that I actually did watch felt off, but I did not know why. Your video is a real awakening. Now I see what the problem is, and it is really hard to unsee.
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I agree with the Quantity over quality. Just because one can put out a lot of content in a short amount of time does not mean that they’re all going to be hits. If content seems rushed it will show in the writing. With too much content happening in the same year it doesn’t give the audience a chance to process and remember what they take in.
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It's about time someone speaks the truth about the MCU
Over the last 2-3 years I've gotten more joy from the The Drinker ripping on all these movies & shows than actually watching them. Tbh I started to like Marvel's f**k ups cuz it just means I'll just have more hilarious rants to listen to. Sincere thanks brother! Cheers 🍻
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I'm so appreciative of this channel. In a world gone mad, fellow "normies" can gather and delight in healthy doses of common sense.
Except the real normies are those who ingest this content acritically like they have to
Love your videos and your takes on film and tv. I'd be curious to know what you think of the changes made to the Wilson Fisk character from the Netflix produced Daredevil series and the Disney produced Hawkeye series. Keep up the great work! Thanks!
A part of what killed it for me was definitely Marvel's new obsession with "strong female" leads. They way they characterise their heroines now just pisses me off: "I suffered more than man, so I'm more deserving of respect!! I'm always much smarter than anyone else in the room!! I use force if man don't listen to me!!" Just UGHHH... That doesn't make me wanna root for them, this makes me want to punch them to stop being so obnoxious
I don't think I have ever nodded my head in agreement more than during this video. So many good points
Great video the only thing i watched in phase 4 was WandaVision. The end of that show told me enough about the direction of the universe and I said "No- you will not get my money." They need to bring back Punisher
The theme of Phase 4 is obviously loss and trauma. It was so on the nose , how can you miss that?
I have often considered phase 3 to be telling the Infinity Saga from the Avengers' point of view, where the belief in life is affirmed and that the universe deserves a sceond chance, while phase 4 better articulates Thanos' argument, showing how the continuous thriving of life would eventually lead to complete chaos and degeneracy and that it might have been better if things just ended a bit sooner XD
@trolleriffic What?
@Dragonage2ftw Yes, you see it every time you post another "clever" remark and try to be smart. What's it like to be an edgy teenager these days, is it still as embarrassing and lonely as ever?
@Tube Torpedo Remember his original solution for his own planet's problems, as he told it to Strange before the fight? He was LAUGHED at, and thus begins the classic villain motivation -- EGO.
He didn't care anymore whether the idea made sense -- it was HIS idea, and how dare those fools laugh at The Mighty Thanos? It became impossible for him to even imagine that he could have been wrong.
Then he retired someplace that he'd probably never have to see the outcome, so he could continue in his delusion that he was both right AND a galactic savior.
Ironically, Thanos is a huge part of the reason that chaos came to be. In his attempt for order, he caused chaos.
“One often meets their destiny on the road to avoid it.”
At this point I feel like a good take would either start the MCU again, but with an art style change (like with the new Batman movie). It is proven by history that art goes in one direction for a while, after what it goes the complete opposite direction.
Or start it again but from some kind of villain perspective
All of the moral contradictions could have been pulled off as clever ironies to help people recognize the evils of greed, power, and manipulation. But too many people making this stuff honestly believe that these evils are actually good, so long as they are done by people who check all the correct intersectional boxes.
The creative direction for the first phase was essentialy the Infinity stones that were sprinkled in all their movies and then Thanos took them all the erased half the Universe. I actually think this phase had a creative direction, it was The Multiverse. We saw that in Loki, then Wanda got nuts and we saw her in Doctor Strange 2 which about going from one Universe to another. And Spider-Man: No Way Home also had parallel Universes things(and you had Doctor Strange in both movies). And I believe Ant-Man 3 is gonna be that as well(with Kang appearing). But they didn't do an enough good job at tying them all together. This could have been pretty incredible but they somehow ignored all these progects from one TV show and one movie to another.
One of your absolute best videos. I don't always agree with you but i agree with almost everything you said here. You earned a like!
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I think it would be cool if these big studios took their massive budget and divided it up into a few smaller new talent groups. It would produce more movies and we could all try them out and select our favorite ones. And having a smaller budget (in my opinion) means more passionate groups would jump into the roles. Idk I just wish Hollywood would bring back ugly people since they were vastly more talented since they couldn't scrape by on good looks alone.
My father used to always hate watching movies and being reminded of political issues and I always questioned why. I think he summed it up pretty well.
"I watch movies to escape the world we live in, not be reminded of how bad it all really is. I'm already aware of these issues and I get they need addressing. That's why I watch the news. I don't watch movies to be reminded of it and if I did: I'd CHOOSE to watch those specific movies about the subject, like Schindlers List or something. I watch Alien or The Terminator to go on a visual adventure and forget the world for an hour or so. Not to be reminded that I'm a bad person with a sordid past."
Why can't we have those adventures anymore? It seems everything has to be injected with a moral that doesn't match the story/adventure we're trying to escape to and instead of making it seem more real we're just diluting the plot. The cost of this is regressing away from the adventure/escape we all desire to experience.
@Gino Segnini I'm playing the Final Fantasy VII remake now, and that game, along with the original FFVII, has a clear, even preachy environmentalist message that would make even Greta Thunberg blush!
You should watch The Ten Commandments starting the late Charlton Heston as Moses. That movie has a clear moral message about God's Law which is applicable to every generation.
I very much agree with your dad! I just want good movies that are not preaching to me! The ones preaching today are sick, and demented!
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@Gino Segnini Same here; I ❤️ Blade Runner (both of them)
I so look forward to your videos. The fact that you have a big audience gives me hope.
I’ve reached complete and irreversible apathy for something I used to enjoy a great deal.
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The thing about quantity over quality seems to be striking multiple companies actually. As much as Marvel and Disney are pumping out junk as fast as possible, another company that used to be loved by a lot of people, Wizards of the Coast, is doing the same thing. Consumers are getting product fatigue from everyone, and i hope now companies start to catch on we don't have the time money or attention to give to 15 different products in a year.
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8:57 To be honest, I'd have liked to see Bucky take up the shield, because there was a ton of evidence throughout his run that indicated that he would be the next Captain America, but that was unfortunately tossed aside for the sake of identity politics that felt hamfisted and unearned.
I liked the concept Sam raimi was using and it has a meta narrative going on which some of us have always been aware of but can't talk candidly about. Because of how the truth of things is stranger than fiction. I might make a video on it maybe idk
I like to try and pinpoint the exact moment a franchise falls apart.
“They’ll never know what you sacrificed for them.”
And there it is
@Rivera Harperi’d argue that was Multiverse of Madness’ fault, not Wandavision’s. Wandavision atleast gave us something fresh to stand out from the bland unoriginal mush of other phase 4 content, and while the finale could’ve been better it left a lot of open plotlines and possibilities for future movies. Then dr strange 2 took one look at it and said “hey, we’re gonna undo your entire character arc from that show and make you evil for no reason”
To me. It fell apart around Ant man 2, captain marvel and endgame were bad
Here's where I'm confused: Does everyone think that line refers to Wanda's actions to the town? Cringe as it seems, I think that the line is talking about what she had to do to Vision in Infinity Wars. Wasn't the whole point of Wandavision Wanda's grief over losing Vision? Wanda herself brings it up in Multiverse of Madness when she's talking to Strange above Kamartaj (is that spelled right?). That makes more sense in my mind.
@Captain Clown Renewal of vows is a thing, I hear.
Not only does BPWK contradict the message from F&TWS, but it directly contradicts the ending of BP1 where T'Challa has committed to reaching out
The directors they picked for Phase 4 reminded me of what happened when Fox picked Josh Trank to direct Fant4stic.
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My problem with number 4 is that all of those things happen in the comics.
There are so few movies that lead you to ask yourself interesting questions now. They all just tell you what you should think. There are so few exceptions it’s barely worth sifting through the crap to find the gems. It’s really to bad. I liked movies.
it’s really a shame when good ongoing story’s get destroyed. not like star wars or indiana jones where they rebooted it and we can just ignore it. when they ruin something that was so good within the span of a couple of years
In the 90s, we assumed Demolition Man was an action movie. It’s sadly a documentary that was ahead of its time.
Good things from the garden.
Garden in the valley.
Valley of the Jolly Green Giant.
Now I understand why he was taught to knit, had to prep him to be a stay-at-home mom.
Still can't figure how to use the shells...
i've said this, many times. either it was the ideal, or the film was prophetic.
Be well, Blah Blah. May you always avoid the Murder Death Killers.
No Way Home was an unexpected treat, otherwise much of Phase 4 left no impact on me. Even movies I didn't necessarily hate were still so entirely forgettable that after they served their purpose of distracting me for 2 hours, my brain instantly deleted all memories of it to make room for more Biker Mice From Mars fanfic
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I'll never forget the Shehulk creators stating that they did all of the bs antics on purpose just to get a certain demographic of ppl mad... Their core fan base smh
They have to do restructuring and if they don't realize this they will go down with the ship, there is still tk turn it around before all is lost, great video by the critical drinker, keep it up
Drinker was right. Audiences used to be excited for MCU Films and shows! Those were good times!
"Take your time, do it right, respect the source material" = make billions...
"Rush it" = destroy the franchise, lose billions...
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When I left the theater after watching Endgame in 2019, I remember telling myself that "it's probably gonna suck after this. This is the peak of the mountain"
I'm disappointed that I was right
P. S. RIP Jason David Frank
PS Much better was Captain America fooling the Hydra agents into thinking he was one of them.
I had decided to give up MCU back then.
It was a great ending. I didn't need to follow through the whole thing anymore. I am not much of a 'series' guy.
Captain Marvel was the first sign that they could make boring films. Incredible Hulk was decent. Iron Man 2 was fun. Even Dark World had its moments. Thanks to Loki and Thor.
So, i decided to end it after this. I watched the Spider-man films for my love of previous Spider-man films.
I watched Far from Home because i learnt that J Jonah Jameson is coming. Same is with No Way Home.
The fact that they made series strengthened my determination. This should be fun. Not like homework.
Looks like i made a nice decision. Even if the series gets better i don't think i am interested. This is too fan centered for my tastes.
Endgame was horrible. Anytime time travel or dreams or the multiverse is used it just comes across as lazy writing.
It was a good film in its own way, but the hero woman bit was the peak of contrivance.
I'm sorry it took till endgame
I really hope and pray that Disney pays attention to the fact that their stock has gone down 44 percent, and have lost over a hundred billion dollars in the past couple years, phase 5 and 6 will be what they should be
I would add that the new premise with the Multiverse gets rid of any and all tension when you know there's another version of that character somewhere. It's why they can just kill off prof X and Reed Richards in such a throw away manner because they can just get another one from a different universe should they need to. It's like playing a video game but with infinite health, literally no tension or stakes until maybe the very end when a multiverse level threat arrives. As it stands, every movie feels like filler or a spin-off rather than moving a greater story forward.
Last time ill out this long point out there. The infinity saga was great cuz the individual parts were great, and the biggest entries were handled by the same four ppl. Directors, writers. Branaugh, favreau, johnston, whedon, the russos, even the incredible hulk had a good team. They made it good, and the sludge just filled in some cracks. Marvel saw it backwards. They thought it was the sludge that sold. So they thought they could now cheap out on writers and directors after endgame. So now we have a ratio of sludge to good that doesnt work.
I agreed with most of your video except the part about new actors replacing the old ones that decided to walk away. You know most of those replacements happened in the comics. Falcon becomes captain America and TChala’s sister becomes black panther for a little while
Its mind boggling to think that we have almost as many movies before endgame then we do after it.
Especially when you think that in the grand scheme of things endgame wasn't released that long ago, 3 years and 1 was a gap year due to the rona. An entire universe was gracefully expanded over the span of an entire generation, and in just two years it has been replicated with downgrades on all aspects
The Idea that any 2 women in any show now have to be anything but friends is really crazy.
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@Tanika Gabrielle Well, those must be the same people who get upset when Velma in Scooby-Doo is portrayed as straight; someone decided once that she was a lesbian and now the dogma is that she loves pussy when there was nothing remotely sexual in the original animated series. They are so desperate to see themselves represented on screen (because apparently that's the only way their existence can ever be validated) that they will retroactively appropriate old IPs.
Men too… they’re friends, rivals or enemies, it doesn’t matter.. they can’t just be that.
I usually agree with you point for point but I loved Shang chi!
I believe there's people who have never had close friendships hence why they think close friendships means romance
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WandaVision was so good but after that they didn’t care to follow a certain storyline and it felt like watching random things. Phase 4 had so much potential but they wasted it
Every single point you made also applies completely to the Marvel Comics Universe and to the mainstream comics industry in general. The idiots destroyed the comics universe and then transferred all those failed characters and broad storylines to the MCU.
And they wonder why people are leaving in droves…
I firmly believe the acquisition of all the Fox assets and characters threw the whole MCU creative direction in shock. Hopefully they are going to right the ship in Phase 5
“Replacing your favorite superhero is simple and mundane as upgrading your phone to a newer model” that is very well said.
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Seriously? The shipping fans actually wanted them to make Wednesday lesbian? Why just to say there's LGBTQ inside the show? She was never lesbian in any of the stories of her told, and she wasn't even into romance/dating period but that fairly attributed to a more hormonal teen version of her not being portrayed in any stories, the latest show humanizes her & makes her more of a real person than all the past ones.
The most impressive thing about this is that you managed to only bring up "THE MESSAGE" as one reason it failed and not the entire reason it failed.
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Supposedly this is all leading up to the long awaited (and I mean really long awaited) Secret Wars. This was a very good very special series of Marvel comics that was released when I was 12 years old, FORTY-FIVE YEARS AGO. I guess doing a film version of this event now will cut down the royalties Marvel will have to pay to the original artists and writers but what about all the great heroes and stories that occurred between then and now? I'm going to watch it for no other reason just to see if they're going to attempt to womansplain where Spidey's black costume REALLY came from 😄🤣😁