I love that they aren’t just forgiven at the end of the film, they’re not suddenly the good guys to society. They pay their dues, they accept responsibility for their actions and each make an active choice to be better.
@Ryan Blanche For the sake of the movie I suppose that makes sense. Although I don't understand the logic of being glad that the bad guys were punished for the wrong they did despite the good they did when Diane was not punished for the wrong she did.
@Violet Bilodeau My guess is because The Bad Guys were wanted for a while, and the things they did were high profile. Remember, there was that one turning moment scene when Diane didn’t go through with the heist when she was the Crimson Paw because all she saw was the “tricky fox”. She then said from that moment on instead of hurting people, she was helping them. I felt that scene inspired Wolf in a way.
damn that was a really great breakdown, but i really wished they had discussed / given more appreciation to Diane’s character. Yes they did learn great morals from a conceited Professor Marmalade, but in the end it was Diane who affirmed Wolf about being good. A scene that was integral to Wolf’s character development, was the part after Wolf lost his friends after breaking out of jail, and Wolf gets confused whether what he was doing was right. And Diane right there telling her background story + giving a speech about still being “me, but in the ‘right’ me” was such a great way to inspire and hence give the main character a solid moral compass. That, my friends, is the literal definition of feedin two birds with one scone. This movie really had great pacing and writing (if you, once again, ignore logic like how costumes work or why they’re the only anthropomorphic animals).
a film i think would be perfect to react to is the “puss in boots: the last wish” it is an amazing movie and has some really heavy subjects that are portrayed so well, especially on the topic of anxiety and panic attacks, would be an awesome episode from you guys !!
What I really enjoyed about the "anti-training montage" is that they weren't "failing" because they were bad or didn't know how to be good yet, it's because they were too used to messing with each other and giving each other shit. That and Marmalade's issues in that he knew how to "appear" good, not how to "be" good.
Honestly, now that I think about this out of context, this is me with video games. XD Although, I cannot get past it. It's just not my thing. But it explains in a tremendous and straightforward description why so many others like them.
When piranha said “we are gonna make it” It’s just funny 😭😂 I swear they casted Anthony perfectly with his natural chaotic and energy put into this character 🤌
One thing I'm surprised y'all didn't talk about was Snake saying I love you to wolf at the end. It's not often, that we hear platonic I love yous in media. It's something I really wish we got more of and should be normalized
The little montage after you said “and then spiderverse happened…” and some of my favorite animated features that are full of creativity and artistry that has fully revamped my faith in animation thriving outside of things like Disney and Pixar- it just makes me so happy. Artists are fighting back and thriving.
I didn't realize the "fake being good till you actually become good" was an uncommon (or less common) story thread, because I often use it writing rehabilitation arks for either villans or social outcasts that have a negative light on society (idk how to explain it but basically anyone who dosent seem to follow the "normal" moral code) I use it for my own stories and stuff I make for dnd and back when I used to make fanfics for mha and stuff I used it there to, didn't know it wasent extremely popular
@Valhatan It's been so long, I can't remember. :'-( I thought I still had the book but I can't find it. I'm gonna keep looking because now I want to read those stories again.
It might be way more common and widely used in fanfic and fandom circles! There's a lot of popular tropes that you can see almost exclusively in fandom and fanfiction!
Yessss! This movie seriously feels like you're watching a fanfic the whole way through, I swear. I kinda love that some of the tropes that have been popular for a LONG time in nerd culture are starting to become more mainstream.
As an animation student I really loved the work put in this movie. There is a lot of stretch and squash and the emotions (via body language) are so well said.
@Le Baguette First Of All Siblings Fight A Lot, And Given The Context Of Goldi And Her Brother's Relationship I'd Say They Are The Type To Argue And Fight, But Never Take It To Regrettable Levels Also As For Puss Being Hard To Root For And Kicking Perrito To The Dark Forest, No We Still Rooted For Puss, Kicking Perrito Was A Bad Thing, But In Defense Of Puss He Did Try Out The Portal First To See What Would Happen And Plus Puss Hasn't Reached Certain Levels Of Trust And Friendship With Perrito Yet
@OdinsSage Yeah. I was excited to see it just because of the animation alone but I wasn't expecting the plot and the pacing to be as good as it ended up being. Puss' Voice actor Antonio Banderas actually has his own problems with anxiety and that was the inspiration for the characterization of Puss
The anthropomorphic animals are the stereotyped ones: the "monster" predators, the "sneaky" fox, and the "embodiment of goodness" guinea pig. The movie doesn't care about any other stereotypes, so everyone else is a human or an animal-proper. The only really weird one is Cuddles, Professor Marmalade's human helper, who I guess is like a reversal of the pet-owner relationship? Not sure on that one, he's just weird.
I noticed that. I'm a bit of a weirdo. I like animals others don't. I have a couple of pet snakes and several black widows. I collect fossil shark teeth. That covers three of the bad guys. I don't have a fish tank and I don't plan on adopting a wolf. I could do the fish tank if I move downstairs at some point, but a wolf? That will never happen.
@Anni 13 see also "sharks vs horses" or "the availability heuristic". It's the same reason why people with mental illnesses are often viewed as dangerous, when in fact they're less likely to commit a violent act than the general population, yet are twice as likely to be the victim of one...
I love how when the old lady is talking to Wolf, you can see the whiskers eluding to it being Marmalade. At least upon rewatching it, that's what I get out of it.
I think the way they animate is very unique because of the heavy use of strong pose-to-pose animation. So like they draw their characters in multiple strong poses, then have the in-betweens be only a few frames transitioning from each pose, which gives it a very stiff, comic book feel to everything.
I love the subtle details like this in their character design. One good example is that Shark has an old tattoo that's visibly faded a bit on his bicep. I think my favorite of these goes to Tarantula - she has a tattoo on her left forearm and wrist. Super hard to see given how small she is and that she's almost always wearing a hoodie, but you can make it out when they get back to the lair and see all their stuff is gone (she has no sleeves at the time). I also love that Wolf's car has a special seat on the dashboard specifically installed FOR Tarantula. The attention to detail that went into this movie is fantastic.
"Sometimes we lose friends along the way" really got me in the gut. In 2020, my friendship with my best friend of 15 years ended. I was tired of being their therapist, listening to them conplain about money problems, their weight, their family, their relationships. I had my own issues and I started to feel the weight of it all. While I was sympathetic and always tried to help, I was becoming fatigued and was not being heard. Constantly they would ask for advice and I would console them about their gf until finally I said "either get therapy or break up" and I don't think they liked that. I would get ghosted for weeks on end. Finally when the friendship ended, I blocked them on social media and had a good cry. We had a pattern of just complaining about our lives and not doing anything about it. It really, really sucked when it ended, but I wanted to better myself. I went back to college, got my degree, I am a supervisor at my job and I've gotten closer to the friends that got me through that rough patch. I still think about the years we spent together, but I wanted to grow and feel better and she did not. There was a point where I considered her my sister, so I couldn't recognize how the toxic the water was around me until she was gone. I love this channel, you always manage to make me think about films so deeply and relate it to my own life.
I'm sorry to hear that. I had somethin' similar happen to me with my ex-Fiance'. I was becoming a crutch for her, but I loved her away, so I held her up, despite how toxic she was becoming after her family was fallin' apart. Anyway, I'm glad you got outta that and are finding friends that won't tax your mind so extensively that it begins to break you under the pressure. It hurts when someone you love dearly, be it friend or lover, doesn't want to grow n' change, n' you... have to let them go and move on without 'em.
I'd never heard of this movie until a couple of months ago when I had to babysit my 5yo niece for two weeks. Like, I hadn't even been at her house for more than five minutes before she was dragging me to the couch because she was so excited to share this movie with me. Had to click the second I realized you guys were reviewing this movie. It's not my favorite, but it's hers, and that makes it special 🐺🐍🦈🐡🕷🦊♥️
So sweet! But for the record, that’s a blowfish, not a piranha (or “bitey fish” Alan you are amazing), a spider, not a hairy tarantula like Webs, and not a rattlesnake like Snake. (Although the thing that irks me the most about this movie is that Snake has no rattle on his tail.
I love how unabashedly fun this movie is. It's absurd, wild, fun, and it jumps the shark so many times. Even better, it's got a good heart. Such a comfortable watch.
I'd love to see you react to "The Song of the Sea" it's an animated movie and it's just beautiful, about the loss of a parent, the affect that has on her son's relationship with his baby sister, the strains of grief on family... Just beautiful and mixed with folklore!
Seconding this, particularly because it also brings up the idea that we need to feel things and sometimes trying to protect someone from pain only makes things worse for them, even if it’s from love Gosh I’d love any of the Folklore triology, Wolfwalkers and Secret of Kells also have so much to say and the animation is stunning
I absolutely love the Bad Guys, and I super suggest you guys continue the epic DreamWorks saga and cover the new Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and how Puss deals with the idea of mortality. It's an absolutely fantastic film I feel you guys would appreciate! Thanks for your time!
We already know they're going to have to cover the new Puss In Boots movie. There was some moments in that movie I and all of my friends were shocked by it's depth and serious way of handling mental problems.
Wolf literally calls himself the big bad wolf from the fairy tales, and the governor flat out says that foxes and wolves aren't that different... If they were humans, they'd be open furries lol
The thing that really impressed me about this movie was how they managed to bring the original artstyle into motion witout compromising any of the little things that made it work. You have to love a work to adapt it this well.
When I was a little kid I tried to scare everyone away because I was going through a lot. So I really relate to characters who are intimidating to hide insecurity
'Bitey fish' had me rolling with laughter 🤣 And I love this movie, it made me wonder if there was some mocap done in it because wolf's moves are just like Sam Rockwell's
@AvacadoToast yeah. They were gonna have Sam and Zazie dance together and record them (I _think_ they can dance), but they couldn't. So, they used professional dancers.
I love this movie so much. I've seen it twice and it never even occurred to me that most of the characters are human and you only have a few anthropomorphic animals 😂 Thanks, internet dads, for telling me this movie didn't make sense.
The movie having both animal and human characters isn't a flaw of the narrative, it's part of the narrative where othering is a huge aspect of stereotyping a person.
@Silver the Hero The teeth changing shape is a trick pulled from 2D animation, where the teeth are drawn differently depending on the mood and expression of the character. It makes perfect sense for the world the characters inhabit. A film doesn't have to follow our reality, it just can't break the rules of its own universe. All of the poses are extreme, so why not the teeth as well?
I also like this movie, and I’ve seen it at least 8 times 😂 I did think it was confusing that the rest of the characters are human and there are some different animation effects in this movie, so I’m glad they talked about it 😂
I hope you guys would react to Puss in the Boots the last wish. It explores morality, family, and trust. This movie deals with "death anxiety" and how it affects the main character. It was also made by the same studio who made "The bad guys" so this movie have unique art stye. The movie seems to be childish at first but I bet you guys would love it at the end :D
The editors deserve so much more credit than they’re given. They throw in witty clips that make Alan and Jonathan look so much sillier than they already are in the best way😂
I haven't finished watching this movie- But I LOVE it. But PLEASE, please please PLEASE do Klaus! It's one of me and my mom's favorite movies and there's a lot there to unpack. Alvas, Klaus, and Jesper's story, there's a lot to unpack there in all of it.
@Valhatan Definitely do! I was sceptical at first, because the trailer makes it look more like a movie for children, but the underlying topics are all around family adequate and the dynamics are quite interesting (at least to me). I was ~22yo when I watched it the first time and I've watched it again since.
@Valhatan If you're interested in unusual artstyles, I highly recommend "The Michells vs The Machines". CT published their commentary on it some time ago. Really funny and refreshing.
I love watching you guys delve into psychology thru movies, it makes an understandable connection to people. Have you considered doing an episode on Hook? It's a fave Robin Williams flick to me and my friends.
@Rach Loveday ok we need to make this happen. Start telling people that's what it's called and droping the term into online conversations. Watch it spread from there.
@Sebastian Razo people use it as a slur. And as a furry myself, it’s really disrespectful. I’m a weeb and a furry. Yet both of those words are used as slurs. This is why I don’t like people.
I also thought the art style was very unusual, but definitely cool. Like how the eyes/facial features are so sharp/bright and defined, but the rest of their bodies are soft and shaded. We also joked how particularly the snake, would go from having just 2 fangs, to having a full set of human teeth XD was an interesting movie. and interesting ideas about being good v bad and what that means.
Just finished watching this movie, and the style, flair and energy of the animation had me grinning ear-to-ear the entire time. The character design language is one giant homage to early Akira Toriyama (the creator of Dragon Ball) and the film as a whole is a love letter to classic Lupin III. I could basically feel the excitement all the animators and designers must've felt in alluding to their inspirations with this movie.
This reminds me so much of the saying, “you learn who your real friends are after you have kids”, and how much I’ve always hated that. (You can substitute having kids for any big life change) People change when they have kids. Priorities change. Maybe they change in a way that moves them onto a path that you don’t want to go onto yourself, and that’s okay! But why should that devalue the friendship that was there? Growth is good, but it sometimes means growing apart, which is hard, but it’s only hard because the friendship was real. It hurts when you’re grieving what the relationship once was, but grief is love persisting.
16:20 I’m interested to see your thoughts on wreck-it Ralph, where many of the villains shown are not actively pushing against goodness, but still struggling with their own stereotypes and literal “jobs” that are pushing them to be bad - “I’m a bad guy, but I’m not a … bad guy”
If you both have seen the new Puss in Boots movie, I really hope you make a video on it! It was SUCH a good movie and I think there are so many topics you guys can talk about! Especially with Death and Perrito!
As an ENFJ i relate so much to Alan and the amazing friendship with his INFP Jonathan. You guys, so kind and passionate, are the best internet/KZclip Dads we could have! Loved this episode!
Nice observation about how the animation pops! In the industry our nickname for it is snappiness. Watching you guys talk about the themes of nature vs nurture in this film, and the tension that comes in relationships when you desire to change was great.
I think the ‘Pop’ Alan is describing is the use of keyframes with very little to no in-betweens which make everything move super quick and choppy. Posing is a very important animation principle so even though I didn’t work on the movie, it’s so refreshing to hear someone acknowledge how small things in poses give SO much. (It’s also most likely the eyes were done with a special rig built for this, with shading rules for them so light interacts with them differently to get that flat look. Basically just smart creative people doing smart creative things. (My head hurts looking at these rigs oh my god it’s obnoxious in the best way)
Could you guy do a Cinema Therapy on "Matilda" both the 1996 and the recent 2022 version? Mostly relationship between Matilda and her parents and other peers. The 1996 might be good for topic for 'child neglect' and how that affects Matilda as a character. Her independence, justice, and seeking love? The 2022 might be good for topic for 'abuse/mistreatment'. Strong sense of justice and defense of others.
Yes!!! Matilda (1996) is one of my favorites. For most of the media I grew up with, child abuse or neglect was perpetrated by orphanages or an evil stepmom or something. I can't recall another childhood movie where the biological parents are portrayed so negatively. Until their very last scene, Matilda's parents didn't show a single redeeming quality. My dad would sometimes to talk to me the same way Harry Wormwood speaks to Matilda. In fact, my parents once told me that Matilda's parents aren't "that bad" because they never beat or starved her! Lol As a child, this movie spoke to me unlike any other movie, book, or person. It told me that verbal abuse is not ok, even from my parents. Other movies would try to push the "family sticks together" thing when in reality, sometimes people have a toxic family and it doesn't make them a selfish person to walk away from that.
@Raven hmm, I didn’t know that. Huh, you learn something new everyday. And I mean it did turn out good, it could have been a lot worse like how most other remakes turn out
@WarCatFurEver101 Writer of fanfics for fandoms Thats because the 2022 version is based on the broadway musical Matilda :) Its very closely based on that with a few small changes
Since you guys have already reviewed this movie with animals... Might I suggest the new Puss in Boots: The Last Wish? I don't want to spoil the movie for the people who didn't watch it but it is surprisingly... Mature. Imo, it has a really good message. I can't wait for Alan's comments on The Wolf from that movie.
I wish they would discuss "The Mirror Has Two Faces" so I could find out why I received an enormous emotional body blow about half way through and had to leave the theater sobbing hysterically while everyone stared at me in shock. Nobody else seemed to have such a reaction. What???
I love this movie so much 😭 not just cuz of the story but it's so original art style wise! DreamWorks always goes super out, and almost never disappoints
I love this movie!! I do believe that these animals; the bad guys, are only perceived as bad guys. Sure there are occasions where they do attack humans, but mostly, they do help keep the population of other animals in check and mostly attack if provoked.
I admit, one of the things I really like about CT, is it comes across as very genuine. I'm fairly sold that Alan and Jono are EXACTLY what they present themselves to be.
Thank you for this. I have been undergoing a lot of difficult life changes lately. It's been hard. The people around me have been trying to be supportive but it's been exhausting for all of us.
If you enjoyed this film I highly suggest Lupin the 3rd the First. The similarities this film has to Lupin is really in your face once you have watched them both. I love both of these films.
What I love about this movie most is just the use of 2D smears in a 3D world and it makes it pop more. I also adore all the dynamic posing that makes it that much more dramatic.
If you guys liked this movie, highly rec the new Puss In Boots movie, there's A LOT for you guys to talk about in that one and it has a similar style change to it that is like this new comic book vibe spider-verse brought about~ I know it just came out tho so i guess you guys might have to wait a bit but every time you guys react to an animated movie it makes me feel better about my career and telling interesting stories with the medium I have studied for years! can't wait to see more from you~
I’ve struggled with the concept of possibly growing away from somebody who’s friendship you have relied upon for a long time. In my early 30s, I’ve had a seismic shift in my values and have recognized that I have a lot of changing and growing to do in order to be a better spouse and the most present parent I can be. And I’ve been working a lot toward it! But it’s unfortunately come at the cost of friendships that I had expected would be lifelong. Friends who have not grown or have grown in a very different direction. It’s been painful and hard. But I’m also forging new friendships that are healthy and mutually supportive, even as I miss the friendship I once had with my best friend. Really appreciate this episode. And what a fun movie Bad Guys was. I’d love to see you do an episode about Strange World sometime!
From a realistic standpoint this world doesn't make sense, but I really do take it as symbolism through art. What I mean is the Bad Guys are animals because they're evil, so others don't see them as human but as animals. I think it's a lil clever and to not be overthought just enjoyed 😂😅 I loved this movie and I'm glad yous are covering this ahaha
True, that symbolism works as well. It’s also easy to understand what each animal represents. Foxes are usually seen as tricksters, snakes are seen as cold and cunning, a lot of people fear shark attacks even if sharks don’t care much for human, etc. We associate different animals with different things, and it’s easy to play around with human biases and address it in a movie without needing to explain the connotations.
I watched this movie for the first time with 0 expectations, now it's genuinely a comfort movie, from the animation to the plot line to the values and happy ending and even the humor. It's an incredible piece of work.
The wagging tail reminds me of the bluey episode (duck cake) because she understood that doing good and helping others makes them feel good which makes you feel good and how that's a reward in it's own right especially when you do good without expecting something in return. For bluey her tail wagged each time she decided to something good because making others feel good made her feel good.
I watch everything from you before i show my child. I am a home school single mum from England. I don't 100% agree with you guys but you're helpful. But i used your content for educational purposes and thanks! Edit: I'd donate too if you gave an link x
That's great to hear! We have a Patreon and a store with some merch. Both linked on our website: thecinematherapy.com Otherwise, when we do a livestream on KZclip, you can send a super chat, which is just a money donation. :) We're so happy that you're finding our content helpful!
3:10 to Yuma is one of my favorite movies i would absolutely watch a villan therapy on Ben Wade. Its so good and his arc from beginning to end is such a great character growth.
I hope they do a video on zuko from Avatar: the last Airbender. He had an incredible redemption arc This video was great though. One of my fav movies in 2022
Yes please! I know they focus mostly on movies, but more TV series would be great! And a breakdown on zukos arc from an actual therapist would be awesome!
Hello Future Me has a phenomenal video essay on Zuko's psychology, and an even more spectacular one for Azula. I highly reccomend his channel in general, since not only is he an ATLA superfan but he is funny, genuinely passionate about storytelling, and also has past experience assisting in mental health for youths.
My word, every damn character in that show had an killer growth arc. I was so involved in every single one of them because I loved seeing them evolve. It was all so well done. And then Iroh, who you’d think was already perfect, even he had this amazing growth arc where he decides to change his entire approach to the fire nation, the war, and Zuko.
@gemgen101 Azula is a character I haven't really seen before but a show that's as good as ATLA with heavy topics (like genocide?!) Is Steven Universe. Its very different but just as good.
For a -slightly- better example of anthropomorphic animals learning to see past their stereotypes (and also a whole bunch of other life lessons), I’d recommend Sanrio’s Netflix series Aggretsuko. It’s premise is really funny, and it discusses serious topics with respect and thoughtfulness.
I remember seeing The Bad Guys in theaters when it came out. It was really good! I liked it as a DreamWorks fan, as someone in filmmaking, AND as someone who has been in animation classes before. The fact that they mixed in the comic book style was AMAZING and so creative!! The story has a simple but nice redemptive arc and a couple of twists that were hard to spot. Even though I tend to prefer realistic, deep, complex stories for film, I enjoy animation and it doesn't always have to make sense to enjoy it. Everyone loves an underdog/bad guy-good guy story and this was a classic one.
1. I really think they should do a video on Finding Nemo because it's absolutely heart wrenching and we need to see more crying. 2. I can't wait for Puss in Boots: The Last Wish to go to streaming so they can watch it because it's fantastic and it has a dog that wants to be a therapist so...
I recently discovered this channel a week ago, and I have to say. Honestly, I love your guy's content! Breaking down films from a psychological and cinematography standpoint is one of the best things I have ever seen on KZclip. So much so that I have already watched about 25 of your guys' videos. But there's one thing that bothers me. You guys didn't react to THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS YET!?!?!
Stop cutting me so deeply! Cripes! Between this, Spider-verse, and Scrooge, you are just hitting ALL of the things that I'm struggling with right now, and it isn't fair! In all honesty, though, I really do appreciate it XD It has really been helping me put a lot of things into a context that I'll be able to talk with my own counselor about. In this case, it's the sense of "are they honoring your change?" And, honestly, I've been fighting to adapt to the changes that have come with my MS, and the ongoing fight is one of "why aren't you the person you were when we got together? Why can't you just go back to that?" At the end of the day... I'm having to rebuild a new me, and the fact that they've been fighting me every step of the way in that effort has left me... just kind of having to do it on my own, as much as I've tried to engage them in that capacity. And now... the new me isn't what they want. I tried to give them the ability to be part of creating the new me, but... they just didn't have the time or mental energy for that, and instead just... went chasing their own priorities and their own projects to the point where now... we're pretty much just roommates. I was haunted by the finale of Arcane recently. Jinx's whole "I used to think that you could love me the way you used to. But you changed too." Except... that's not quite right. It's more... that they've stayed stuck in their own pain as I've struggled and fought to grow. So. Here's to the new us.
@i like shipping way too much Oh, there's no giving up on my part. I don't have that in me. I'm the "take my advice, you'll have to bury me twice 'cause the first time, I won't rest easily," kind. If anything, I'm more sad for their parts that they... aren't able to move forward, themselves. But I can't make them change. I can only take responsibility for myself. Besides, with how they've handled things for a while now... they've been thinking that it is my responsibility to rebuild trust with them... but they've just completely shattered my trust in them.
@ScaledCardinal Oh, back years ago, I had another relationship that I had to end. After she declared my life's ambitions to be stupid, that was about it. Either way, you have to do what you have to in order to take care of yourself.
im sorry the people in your life arent being supportive of who you're trying to be. despite that, i hope you find other people who are supportive of you and to not give up 👍
Yeah, I just recently had to break up with someone due to them not wanting to put in the effort to change/improve with me, so I feel your pain and hope things get better for you!
I hope you'll make reaction to "Puss in Boots: The Last Wish" someday. Not to spoil much things, but it's great movie with good story and characters, stunning animation, and talking about serious issues like SPOILERS fear of death, traumatic childhood, problems (understandable) with trust.
The fact that the movie is self aware of it own ridiculousness makes it even better, it gives a real spark of personality Like there are humans who doesn’t differentiate this anthropomorphic animals? Yeah it works i guess😂 There are actual animals that don’t talk? Yeah it works too😂
What I love about this movie is how it has a goofy, simple story that's carrying an important, complex massage. I was also feeling really depressed on the night when I saw it for the first time, and I found it to be very uplifting. I also really liked the wolf, and speaking of wolves I LOVE your channel and I would love it if you did a video on Wolf Walkers. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do Wolf Walkers, it's incredible!
lmao I was literally just talking to my little brother about this!!! I love that this movie took all the charm and humor from the books yet stayed really unique and fun in its own right. :)
I'm with Alan on this 100%. I think they hit an absolute density of coolness in this movie. Somebody just woke up one day and was like how much coolness can we pack into an animated movie that makes no sense. Coolness coolness coolness
I love watching these! You guys' reactions are hilarious, but I also always learn something. I am surprised that you haven't done one on The Perks of Being a Wallflower. It's one of those films that not many people have even heard of but it's so well done (imo). :)
I was able to watch this movie a few days ago for the first time! I seriously loved every bit of this movie, wish it was longer! I like that they keep the focus on the main characters by making them anthropomorphic and everyone else is a human. The main characters are trying to be more than their stereotypes, Bad Wolf, Sneaky Fox, so the way they put the focus on them felt both bold but natural! OH one more thing, the LIP-SYNCING IS INSANE. Diane's "not so different" dialogue has her lips traveling to the sides of her muzzle and back to the front, and the slightly thicker outline around her lips, it looks SO good. All the characters have really great lip-syncing, but on Wolf and Diane it's especially noticeable, it's hard to pick a way to animate muzzles.
The big reason the animation is so "snappy" and they stick to the bigger poses is because the animators took out so many of the in-betweens in the frames between each key pose ~ as for the drawn-on line work, they used a separate application for that :D they've talked about it in a couple of interviews
A lot of this reminded me of finally leaving the church life once and for all. Especially the "life doesn't teach you how to be good, I do." mentality. To be honest, losing people I cared about was a big fear that kept me from leaving for many, many years... Then I realized that these people didn't really care about me... I was a body in the pews, a weekly source of $20, somebody willing to do menial tasks for no pay. The people who did associate with me treated me like some kind of young padawan that would "get it" _someday_. By the age of 37, I got pretty damn tired of being treated like a 12-year-old with no knowledge or life experience.
This movie was absolutely amazing. 1 about stereotypes and how they can eat into people 2 learning from past errors and facing the consequences of those errors
This was amazing!!!! If you get a chance, you should react to the new Puss and Boots Dreamworks movie, it had a really good portrayal of panic attacks and is an awesome movie!
What I adore of this movie is that it doesn't take inspiration from Ocean's 8 alone, is like a combination of movies (animation and live action) with this kind of theme, and specially in the animation part from Lupin III: Castel of Cagliostro from studio Ghibli. The way that the characters run, move, the poses even the police officer that can't let go from her obsession -almost- of catching this guys, is like the Interpol officer that always tries (and fails) to catch Lupin. Is amazing and I love it Edit: Ocean's 8 or Ocean's 11? I confused myself with another comment
The one issue I have with this movie is that I always felt Snake didn’t give Shark the pop because he cared for his friend. It feels like he did it to shut him up because he was crying. Which, is still selfish despite being misinterpreted.
I love every single second of this movie. Logically it's not perfect, but everything about this movie felt like it was made for my brother and me. We love hist movies, animals, snappy dialogue, dynamic duo's, fast paced cartoony animation, etc. I showed it to him over Christmas and now it one of our favorites. We even do the "go bad or go home" with each other. Glad you guy took the time to go over it because the conflict between wolf and snake is something we both noticed and admired.
As much as I enjoy structure and coherence, I honestly enjoy it when movies don't make sense with it's universe when it's usually the case of the creator being fully aware and are putting the fun or creativity of it ahead of making sense. My favorite scene is Shark (the master of disguise) pretending to be the human's father. It was so silly I couldn't stop laughing!
Please, if you can, PLEASE review Puss in Boots: The last wish. The way the topics of morality and anxiety are handled is phenomenal, and id love to hear your thoughts on it. Love the video, by the way!
I love how you can see hints of Wolf's goodness even in the very beginning of the movie. As the gang is gathering in the car for the first time, Shark, Webs, and Piranha all have something for Snake's birthday (or were supposed to - Piranha forgets his because he's loco). They never overtly say it, but you know Wolf was the one who planned that. As he and Snake first enter the bank, he holds the door for his slithering pal. In the diner, he passes the sugar to Snake with no audible prompting - Snake picks up his spoon and Wolf hands him the sugar he wants for his coffee. Well, that's just natural right? He's being nice to his friend on his birthday. They have a long history together so he surely knows his buddy likes his coffee with a ton of sugar. So? When the two of them are leaving the diner, Wolf politely asks for the check ("Could we get a check please? When you get a chance?"), leaves some money for their bill, and then reaches into his jacket a second time to put some extra cash in the tip jar. For the leader of a notorious gang of villains, he's awfully considerate. They're thieves - they certainly don't NEED to pay for anything, but he goes out of his way to do so AND has the consideration to leave some extra for their trouble. As Mike from Better Caul Saul / Breaking Bad would say, "I didn't say you were a bad guy, I said you were a criminal."
I loved how when Wolf was pretending to be good they gave him the wolf disguise tropes. Old lady from little red riding hood, sheeps clothing. Been a minute since I watched it so I cant remember if there's others. Lots of great use of established symbolism and allegories in this movie.
Never thought I would want to see this movie but you both are making me actually want to see this one.💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯. Why are y’all this good at this!!!💯💯💯💯🔊🔊🔊
The movie is basically oceans 11 mixed with fantastic Mr fox... Just without George Clooney 😂. Love it nonetheless, and Would love to see a video on fantastic Mr fox!
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I love that they aren’t just forgiven at the end of the film, they’re not suddenly the good guys to society. They pay their dues, they accept responsibility for their actions and each make an active choice to be better.
@raiso fahri why does that matter as to whether she should be punished or not?
@Violet Bilodeau which she doesn't do it anymore. And she never got caught in the first place when she active
@Ryan Blanche For the sake of the movie I suppose that makes sense. Although I don't understand the logic of being glad that the bad guys were punished for the wrong they did despite the good they did when Diane was not punished for the wrong she did.
@Violet Bilodeau My guess is because The Bad Guys were wanted for a while, and the things they did were high profile.
Remember, there was that one turning moment scene when Diane didn’t go through with the heist when she was the Crimson Paw because all she saw was the “tricky fox”.
She then said from that moment on instead of hurting people, she was helping them.
I felt that scene inspired Wolf in a way.
@Ryan Blanche why then is it important to take responsibility for your own actions?
damn that was a really great breakdown, but i really wished they had discussed / given more appreciation to Diane’s character.
Yes they did learn great morals from a conceited Professor Marmalade, but in the end it was Diane who affirmed Wolf about being good.
A scene that was integral to Wolf’s character development, was the part after Wolf lost his friends after breaking out of jail, and Wolf gets confused whether what he was doing was right. And Diane right there telling her background story + giving a speech about still being “me, but in the ‘right’ me” was such a great way to inspire and hence give the main character a solid moral compass. That, my friends, is the literal definition of feedin two birds with one scone. This movie really had great pacing and writing (if you, once again, ignore logic like how costumes work or why they’re the only anthropomorphic animals).
a film i think would be perfect to react to is the “puss in boots: the last wish” it is an amazing movie and has some really heavy subjects that are portrayed so well, especially on the topic of anxiety and panic attacks, would be an awesome episode from you guys !!
I agree!
Agreed! I feel like they're going to do it. It's such a good movie!
What I really enjoyed about the "anti-training montage" is that they weren't "failing" because they were bad or didn't know how to be good yet, it's because they were too used to messing with each other and giving each other shit. That and Marmalade's issues in that he knew how to "appear" good, not how to "be" good.
"it doesn't make sense and the world is stupid, if you can get past that, its great fun" the most accurate description I ever heard about reality
Honestly, now that I think about this out of context, this is me with video games. XD Although, I cannot get past it. It's just not my thing. But it explains in a tremendous and straightforward description why so many others like them.
When piranha said “we are gonna make it” It’s just funny 😭😂 I swear they casted Anthony perfectly with his natural chaotic and energy put into this character 🤌
He's channeling his inner John Laurens
It’s not just that but the cut to the wide shot showing just how wrong he was 😂
Rewatch it with the subtitles on, please I laughed so hard-
I loved this movie SO much. It was just a huge amount of fun packed into every second. Zootopia meets Oceans 11.
@Kurnass '86 yeah definitely
Zootopia and lupin
Well George Cluny was referenced in the movie so they were likely aware it was a bit like oceans 11
thats exactly what i said !!!
Was anyone thinking Point Break? Especially the sky diving scene....If that is the case, who is the Keanu?
One thing I'm surprised y'all didn't talk about was Snake saying I love you to wolf at the end. It's not often, that we hear platonic I love yous in media. It's something I really wish we got more of and should be normalized
The little montage after you said “and then spiderverse happened…” and some of my favorite animated features that are full of creativity and artistry that has fully revamped my faith in animation thriving outside of things like Disney and Pixar- it just makes me so happy. Artists are fighting back and thriving.
I didn't realize the "fake being good till you actually become good" was an uncommon (or less common) story thread, because I often use it writing rehabilitation arks for either villans or social outcasts that have a negative light on society (idk how to explain it but basically anyone who dosent seem to follow the "normal" moral code) I use it for my own stories and stuff I make for dnd and back when I used to make fanfics for mha and stuff I used it there to, didn't know it wasent extremely popular
Agreed. I read an unholy amount of fanfiction as a teen. Just... The amount of "fake it till you make it" in Loki fics is. Astounding.
@Valhatan It's been so long, I can't remember. :'-( I thought I still had the book but I can't find it. I'm gonna keep looking because now I want to read those stories again.
We use it in recovery as well to help us progress towards a point where we want to be xyz.
It might be way more common and widely used in fanfic and fandom circles! There's a lot of popular tropes that you can see almost exclusively in fandom and fanfiction!
Yessss! This movie seriously feels like you're watching a fanfic the whole way through, I swear. I kinda love that some of the tropes that have been popular for a LONG time in nerd culture are starting to become more mainstream.
As an animation student I really loved the work put in this movie. There is a lot of stretch and squash and the emotions (via body language) are so well said.
I really hope they get one out on the new Puss In Boots. That movie blew me away with the topics and emotions it had
@Le Baguette First Of All Siblings Fight A Lot, And Given The Context Of Goldi And Her Brother's Relationship I'd Say They Are The Type To Argue And Fight, But Never Take It To Regrettable Levels Also As For Puss Being Hard To Root For And Kicking Perrito To The Dark Forest,
No We Still Rooted For Puss, Kicking Perrito Was A Bad Thing, But In Defense Of Puss He Did Try Out The Portal First To See What Would Happen And Plus Puss Hasn't Reached Certain Levels Of Trust And Friendship With Perrito Yet
@Dapper Changeling Apparently Not
@OdinsSage Yeah. I was excited to see it just because of the animation alone but I wasn't expecting the plot and the pacing to be as good as it ended up being.
Puss' Voice actor Antonio Banderas actually has his own problems with anxiety and that was the inspiration for the characterization of Puss
Yeah, I wasn't expecting a family friendly film to trigger my ptsd, but this one did. It deals with some very real things.
Not to mention the animation. I just know that if they end up covering that movie they are absolutely going to gush over the animation
The anthropomorphic animals are the stereotyped ones: the "monster" predators, the "sneaky" fox, and the "embodiment of goodness" guinea pig. The movie doesn't care about any other stereotypes, so everyone else is a human or an animal-proper. The only really weird one is Cuddles, Professor Marmalade's human helper, who I guess is like a reversal of the pet-owner relationship? Not sure on that one, he's just weird.
Yeah I’m not sure how they didn’t think of that
I noticed that. I'm a bit of a weirdo. I like animals others don't. I have a couple of pet snakes and several black widows. I collect fossil shark teeth. That covers three of the bad guys. I don't have a fish tank and I don't plan on adopting a wolf. I could do the fish tank if I move downstairs at some point, but a wolf? That will never happen.
@CST667 Yeah.. I forgot that man existed
@Anni 13 see also "sharks vs horses" or "the availability heuristic". It's the same reason why people with mental illnesses are often viewed as dangerous, when in fact they're less likely to commit a violent act than the general population, yet are twice as likely to be the victim of one...
Cuddles who?
I love how when the old lady is talking to Wolf, you can see the whiskers eluding to it being Marmalade. At least upon rewatching it, that's what I get out of it.
I think the way they animate is very unique because of the heavy use of strong pose-to-pose animation.
So like they draw their characters in multiple strong poses, then have the in-betweens be only a few frames transitioning from each pose, which gives it a very stiff, comic book feel to everything.
I loved this movie - and I'm a 31 year old full ass adult. Also, love how the governor has a total eyebrow piercing 🤣 Breaking the norm
I love the subtle details like this in their character design. One good example is that Shark has an old tattoo that's visibly faded a bit on his bicep. I think my favorite of these goes to Tarantula - she has a tattoo on her left forearm and wrist. Super hard to see given how small she is and that she's almost always wearing a hoodie, but you can make it out when they get back to the lair and see all their stuff is gone (she has no sleeves at the time).
I also love that Wolf's car has a special seat on the dashboard specifically installed FOR Tarantula. The attention to detail that went into this movie is fantastic.
Wow, good eye!
@Troy Jardine Absolutely...
@ShinyAjax Exactly
Animation has no age limit. 💛🖤
I love the trope of pretending to be something until you actually want to become that, its probably my favorite
"Sometimes we lose friends along the way" really got me in the gut. In 2020, my friendship with my best friend of 15 years ended. I was tired of being their therapist, listening to them conplain about money problems, their weight, their family, their relationships. I had my own issues and I started to feel the weight of it all. While I was sympathetic and always tried to help, I was becoming fatigued and was not being heard. Constantly they would ask for advice and I would console them about their gf until finally I said "either get therapy or break up" and I don't think they liked that. I would get ghosted for weeks on end. Finally when the friendship ended, I blocked them on social media and had a good cry. We had a pattern of just complaining about our lives and not doing anything about it. It really, really sucked when it ended, but I wanted to better myself. I went back to college, got my degree, I am a supervisor at my job and I've gotten closer to the friends that got me through that rough patch. I still think about the years we spent together, but I wanted to grow and feel better and she did not. There was a point where I considered her my sister, so I couldn't recognize how the toxic the water was around me until she was gone. I love this channel, you always manage to make me think about films so deeply and relate it to my own life.
I'm sorry to hear that. I had somethin' similar happen to me with my ex-Fiance'. I was becoming a crutch for her, but I loved her away, so I held her up, despite how toxic she was becoming after her family was fallin' apart. Anyway, I'm glad you got outta that and are finding friends that won't tax your mind so extensively that it begins to break you under the pressure. It hurts when someone you love dearly, be it friend or lover, doesn't want to grow n' change, n' you... have to let them go and move on without 'em.
I'd never heard of this movie until a couple of months ago when I had to babysit my 5yo niece for two weeks. Like, I hadn't even been at her house for more than five minutes before she was dragging me to the couch because she was so excited to share this movie with me. Had to click the second I realized you guys were reviewing this movie. It's not my favorite, but it's hers, and that makes it special 🐺🐍🦈🐡🕷🦊♥️
So sweet! But for the record, that’s a blowfish, not a piranha (or “bitey fish” Alan you are amazing), a spider, not a hairy tarantula like Webs, and not a rattlesnake like Snake. (Although the thing that irks me the most about this movie is that Snake has no rattle on his tail.
@Cinema Therapy can you do wakko's wish movie
@Cookie Comment well :’)
@JustalittleTurtle - Is/was also on Peacock.
I wasn't impressed with it at all but my 6 year old loves it.
9:54 it’s always so refreshing when Alan and Jonathan acknowledge non-binary people.
I love how unabashedly fun this movie is. It's absurd, wild, fun, and it jumps the shark so many times. Even better, it's got a good heart. Such a comfortable watch.
I'd love to see you react to "The Song of the Sea" it's an animated movie and it's just beautiful, about the loss of a parent, the affect that has on her son's relationship with his baby sister, the strains of grief on family... Just beautiful and mixed with folklore!
That movie is sooo good! The animation/art style is absolutely amazing as well as the story. I need to rewatch it again at some point!
yes!!!! such an underrated movie.
And Wolfwalkers!!!!
Thirding this! I rewatched recently. Beautiful film.
Seconding this, particularly because it also brings up the idea that we need to feel things and sometimes trying to protect someone from pain only makes things worse for them, even if it’s from love
Gosh I’d love any of the Folklore triology, Wolfwalkers and Secret of Kells also have so much to say and the animation is stunning
I absolutely love the Bad Guys, and I super suggest you guys continue the epic DreamWorks saga and cover the new Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and how Puss deals with the idea of mortality. It's an absolutely fantastic film I feel you guys would appreciate! Thanks for your time!
We already know they're going to have to cover the new Puss In Boots movie. There was some moments in that movie I and all of my friends were shocked by it's depth and serious way of handling mental problems.
Agreed
Can’t wait until it comes out on digital.
Saw it twice in the theater, something I’ve only done for a select few films I legit love.
AND ask Caitlyn Daughtry to discuss death positivity with them
My take is that the animals in the film aren't actually animals, but that the animals represent the archetypes that the characters fulfill.
Wolf literally calls himself the big bad wolf from the fairy tales, and the governor flat out says that foxes and wolves aren't that different... If they were humans, they'd be open furries lol
It's basically a cartoony mix of both, to me. They are simultaneously just representations and also literally the animals.
@AwesomeYena for killing good people of you want to take a darker turn of this family friendly film...
@AndaraBledin Metaphor for what?
@AwesomeYena It's a metaphor. Obvs.
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Looking forward to hearing you both talk through Puss in Boots 2. Incredibly unexpected incredible movie. Plenty of mature human themes to go over.
The thing that really impressed me about this movie was how they managed to bring the original artstyle into motion witout compromising any of the little things that made it work. You have to love a work to adapt it this well.
9:50 We believe in you! You're a good boy! Or girl, or nonbinary person, or 9-
Ah yes, the four genders
@Vio.ani.artist i hav no idea
wait what's the 9-
LMAOO! glad someone else heard that lil number!
"or nonbinary person"
"nein-"
When I was a little kid I tried to scare everyone away because I was going through a lot. So I really relate to characters who are intimidating to hide insecurity
'Bitey fish' had me rolling with laughter 🤣
And I love this movie, it made me wonder if there was some mocap done in it because wolf's moves are just like Sam Rockwell's
@AvacadoToast yeah. They were gonna have Sam and Zazie dance together and record them (I _think_ they can dance), but they couldn't. So, they used professional dancers.
Maybe they used real footage as a reference?
I love this movie so much. I've seen it twice and it never even occurred to me that most of the characters are human and you only have a few anthropomorphic animals 😂 Thanks, internet dads, for telling me this movie didn't make sense.
@Nefepants plus its an intentional callback to classic stories that feature talking animals in a human world, i.e. Stuart Little
The movie having both animal and human characters isn't a flaw of the narrative, it's part of the narrative where othering is a huge aspect of stereotyping a person.
@Silver the Hero same for me with wolf
@Silver the Hero The teeth changing shape is a trick pulled from 2D animation, where the teeth are drawn differently depending on the mood and expression of the character. It makes perfect sense for the world the characters inhabit. A film doesn't have to follow our reality, it just can't break the rules of its own universe. All of the poses are extreme, so why not the teeth as well?
I also like this movie, and I’ve seen it at least 8 times 😂 I did think it was confusing that the rest of the characters are human and there are some different animation effects in this movie, so I’m glad they talked about it 😂
I hope you guys would react to Puss in the Boots the last wish. It explores morality, family, and trust. This movie deals with "death anxiety" and how it affects the main character. It was also made by the same studio who made "The bad guys" so this movie have unique art stye. The movie seems to be childish at first but I bet you guys would love it at the end :D
The editors deserve so much more credit than they’re given. They throw in witty clips that make Alan and Jonathan look so much sillier than they already are in the best way😂
I haven't finished watching this movie- But I LOVE it. But PLEASE, please please PLEASE do Klaus! It's one of me and my mom's favorite movies and there's a lot there to unpack. Alvas, Klaus, and Jesper's story, there's a lot to unpack there in all of it.
@Valhatan Definitely do! I was sceptical at first, because the trailer makes it look more like a movie for children, but the underlying topics are all around family adequate and the dynamics are quite interesting (at least to me). I was ~22yo when I watched it the first time and I've watched it again since.
@excessively fangirling bookworm Thank you, I always see Mitchell vs Machine contents around, but never watch it. Maybe I can *finally* check it out.
@Valhatan If you're interested in unusual artstyles, I highly recommend "The Michells vs The Machines". CT published their commentary on it some time ago. Really funny and refreshing.
Boy Howdy, we're gonn have to wait until 2023 Christmas if they ever come around to Klaus XD
It was such a pretty and moving movie right!
I love watching you guys delve into psychology thru movies, it makes an understandable connection to people. Have you considered doing an episode on Hook? It's a fave Robin Williams flick to me and my friends.
The animation and design reminded me of the Crash Bandicoot PS1 game. Also as an Aussie, I found Jonathon's "New Australian" accent was hilarious 🤣
Did he think Richard Ayoade was aussie or kiwi? 😅
@Rach Loveday ok we need to make this happen. Start telling people that's what it's called and droping the term into online conversations. Watch it spread from there.
@kiku-Goldenflower Oh my God, Yes! That absolutely should be the term for that :)
We totally need to turn "New Australian" into a thing. Maybe as a term for the atrocious mockery that Hollywood thinks our accent sounds like.
I don't know why, but 2022 just wanted to make everyone thirsty for wolf characters.
@Black_Rabbit_0f_Inlë ... "No, no! I got that reference!" -- Steve "Captain America" Rogers
We also got the ability to make werewolves in the sims 4 this year 🎉
Well yea, but fox hot too
Let’s not forget about the fox that started it all. Nick Wild 😩😩
@Sebastian Razo people use it as a slur. And as a furry myself, it’s really disrespectful.
I’m a weeb and a furry. Yet both of those words are used as slurs.
This is why I don’t like people.
I also thought the art style was very unusual, but definitely cool. Like how the eyes/facial features are so sharp/bright and defined, but the rest of their bodies are soft and shaded.
We also joked how particularly the snake, would go from having just 2 fangs, to having a full set of human teeth XD
was an interesting movie. and interesting ideas about being good v bad and what that means.
Just finished watching this movie, and the style, flair and energy of the animation had me grinning ear-to-ear the entire time. The character design language is one giant homage to early Akira Toriyama (the creator of Dragon Ball) and the film as a whole is a love letter to classic Lupin III. I could basically feel the excitement all the animators and designers must've felt in alluding to their inspirations with this movie.
I appreciate how you release this about an hour after I finally watch the movie
You did better than me! I've been meaning to watch it but only finally did because I saw the video yesterday. Finally watched it tonight.
Good timing, huh!
This reminds me so much of the saying, “you learn who your real friends are after you have kids”, and how much I’ve always hated that. (You can substitute having kids for any big life change) People change when they have kids. Priorities change. Maybe they change in a way that moves them onto a path that you don’t want to go onto yourself, and that’s okay! But why should that devalue the friendship that was there? Growth is good, but it sometimes means growing apart, which is hard, but it’s only hard because the friendship was real. It hurts when you’re grieving what the relationship once was, but grief is love persisting.
The animation is absolutely beautiful in this. How expressive the characters are, especially Mr Wolf, makes it one of my favorites.
16:20 I’m interested to see your thoughts on wreck-it Ralph, where many of the villains shown are not actively pushing against goodness, but still struggling with their own stereotypes and literal “jobs” that are pushing them to be bad - “I’m a bad guy, but I’m not a … bad guy”
Thst would be an amazing episode
@TheIrishAlchemist Wreck It Ralph isn't a Pixar movie.
Yeah! I thought that was a really unique take on everything along those lines, especially for Pixar.
Who here appreciates all these people are doing. Cinema therapy keep doing this it's wonderful.
If you both have seen the new Puss in Boots movie, I really hope you make a video on it! It was SUCH a good movie and I think there are so many topics you guys can talk about! Especially with Death and Perrito!
As an ENFJ i relate so much to Alan and the amazing friendship with his INFP Jonathan. You guys, so kind and passionate, are the best internet/KZclip Dads we could have! Loved this episode!
Nice observation about how the animation pops! In the industry our nickname for it is snappiness. Watching you guys talk about the themes of nature vs nurture in this film, and the tension that comes in relationships when you desire to change was great.
I think the ‘Pop’ Alan is describing is the use of keyframes with very little to no in-betweens which make everything move super quick and choppy.
Posing is a very important animation principle so even though I didn’t work on the movie, it’s so refreshing to hear someone acknowledge how small things in poses give SO much.
(It’s also most likely the eyes were done with a special rig built for this, with shading rules for them so light interacts with them differently to get that flat look. Basically just smart creative people doing smart creative things. (My head hurts looking at these rigs oh my god it’s obnoxious in the best way)
Could you guy do a Cinema Therapy on "Matilda" both the 1996 and the recent 2022 version?
Mostly relationship between Matilda and her parents and other peers.
The 1996 might be good for topic for 'child neglect' and how that affects Matilda as a character. Her independence, justice, and seeking love?
The 2022 might be good for topic for 'abuse/mistreatment'. Strong sense of justice and defense of others.
Oh this video would break me if it happens, it'll hit too close to home
Yes!!! Matilda (1996) is one of my favorites. For most of the media I grew up with, child abuse or neglect was perpetrated by orphanages or an evil stepmom or something. I can't recall another childhood movie where the biological parents are portrayed so negatively. Until their very last scene, Matilda's parents didn't show a single redeeming quality.
My dad would sometimes to talk to me the same way Harry Wormwood speaks to Matilda. In fact, my parents once told me that Matilda's parents aren't "that bad" because they never beat or starved her! Lol
As a child, this movie spoke to me unlike any other movie, book, or person. It told me that verbal abuse is not ok, even from my parents. Other movies would try to push the "family sticks together" thing when in reality, sometimes people have a toxic family and it doesn't make them a selfish person to walk away from that.
@OkGoGirl82 no way
@Raven hmm, I didn’t know that. Huh, you learn something new everyday. And I mean it did turn out good, it could have been a lot worse like how most other remakes turn out
@WarCatFurEver101 Writer of fanfics for fandoms Thats because the 2022 version is based on the broadway musical Matilda :) Its very closely based on that with a few small changes
Since you guys have already reviewed this movie with animals... Might I suggest the new Puss in Boots: The Last Wish? I don't want to spoil the movie for the people who didn't watch it but it is surprisingly... Mature. Imo, it has a really good message.
I can't wait for Alan's comments on The Wolf from that movie.
I wish they would discuss "The Mirror Has Two Faces" so I could find out why I received an enormous emotional body blow about half way through and had to leave the theater sobbing hysterically while everyone stared at me in shock. Nobody else seemed to have such a reaction. What???
I love this movie so much 😭 not just cuz of the story but it's so original art style wise! DreamWorks always goes super out, and almost never disappoints
I’m not sure if everything DreamWorks makes is a masterpiece, but when they get it right, they get it right.
Jonathan really has a quality when he explains, he puts feeling/ideas into word so well, I really enjoy watching you guys...
I love this movie!!
I do believe that these animals; the bad guys, are only perceived as bad guys. Sure there are occasions where they do attack humans, but mostly, they do help keep the population of other animals in check and mostly attack if provoked.
Agreed
For example, the scene when Mr. Wolf briefly loses his temper and lunges and Marmalade. Looked feral for a few seconds.
I admit, one of the things I really like about CT, is it comes across as very genuine. I'm fairly sold that Alan and Jono are EXACTLY what they present themselves to be.
Same. It's very refreshing.
Thank you for this. I have been undergoing a lot of difficult life changes lately. It's been hard. The people around me have been trying to be supportive but it's been exhausting for all of us.
If you enjoyed this film I highly suggest Lupin the 3rd the First. The similarities this film has to Lupin is really in your face once you have watched them both. I love both of these films.
It's currently on Hulu.
It even has a swimming in midair scene.
I mean, the police chief lady has more than a bit of Zenigata about her
What I love about this movie most is just the use of 2D smears in a 3D world and it makes it pop more. I also adore all the dynamic posing that makes it that much more dramatic.
If you guys liked this movie, highly rec the new Puss In Boots movie, there's A LOT for you guys to talk about in that one and it has a similar style change to it that is like this new comic book vibe spider-verse brought about~ I know it just came out tho so i guess you guys might have to wait a bit but every time you guys react to an animated movie it makes me feel better about my career and telling interesting stories with the medium I have studied for years! can't wait to see more from you~
I’ve struggled with the concept of possibly growing away from somebody who’s friendship you have relied upon for a long time. In my early 30s, I’ve had a seismic shift in my values and have recognized that I have a lot of changing and growing to do in order to be a better spouse and the most present parent I can be. And I’ve been working a lot toward it!
But it’s unfortunately come at the cost of friendships that I had expected would be lifelong. Friends who have not grown or have grown in a very different direction. It’s been painful and hard. But I’m also forging new friendships that are healthy and mutually supportive, even as I miss the friendship I once had with my best friend.
Really appreciate this episode. And what a fun movie Bad Guys was.
I’d love to see you do an episode about Strange World sometime!
From a realistic standpoint this world doesn't make sense, but I really do take it as symbolism through art. What I mean is the Bad Guys are animals because they're evil, so others don't see them as human but as animals. I think it's a lil clever and to not be overthought just enjoyed 😂😅
I loved this movie and I'm glad yous are covering this ahaha
True, that symbolism works as well. It’s also easy to understand what each animal represents. Foxes are usually seen as tricksters, snakes are seen as cold and cunning, a lot of people fear shark attacks even if sharks don’t care much for human, etc. We associate different animals with different things, and it’s easy to play around with human biases and address it in a movie without needing to explain the connotations.
I watched this movie for the first time with 0 expectations, now it's genuinely a comfort movie, from the animation to the plot line to the values and happy ending and even the humor. It's an incredible piece of work.
The wagging tail reminds me of the bluey episode (duck cake) because she understood that doing good and helping others makes them feel good which makes you feel good and how that's a reward in it's own right especially when you do good without expecting something in return. For bluey her tail wagged each time she decided to something good because making others feel good made her feel good.
I watch everything from you before i show my child.
I am a home school single mum from England. I don't 100% agree with you guys but you're helpful. But i used your content for educational purposes and thanks!
Edit: I'd donate too if you gave an link x
That's great to hear! We have a Patreon and a store with some merch. Both linked on our website: thecinematherapy.com Otherwise, when we do a livestream on KZclip, you can send a super chat, which is just a money donation. :) We're so happy that you're finding our content helpful!
3:10 to Yuma is one of my favorite movies i would absolutely watch a villan therapy on Ben Wade. Its so good and his arc from beginning to end is such a great character growth.
Thank you for all you do therapy dads 😌❤️
You're so welcome!
I hope they do a video on zuko from Avatar: the last Airbender. He had an incredible redemption arc
This video was great though. One of my fav movies in 2022
That would be awesome
Yes please! I know they focus mostly on movies, but more TV series would be great! And a breakdown on zukos arc from an actual therapist would be awesome!
Hello Future Me has a phenomenal video essay on Zuko's psychology, and an even more spectacular one for Azula. I highly reccomend his channel in general, since not only is he an ATLA superfan but he is funny, genuinely passionate about storytelling, and also has past experience assisting in mental health for youths.
My word, every damn character in that show had an killer growth arc. I was so involved in every single one of them because I loved seeing them evolve. It was all so well done. And then Iroh, who you’d think was already perfect, even he had this amazing growth arc where he decides to change his entire approach to the fire nation, the war, and Zuko.
@gemgen101 Azula is a character I haven't really seen before but a show that's as good as ATLA with heavy topics (like genocide?!) Is Steven Universe.
Its very different but just as good.
For a -slightly- better example of anthropomorphic animals learning to see past their stereotypes (and also a whole bunch of other life lessons), I’d recommend Sanrio’s Netflix series Aggretsuko. It’s premise is really funny, and it discusses serious topics with respect and thoughtfulness.
I remember seeing The Bad Guys in theaters when it came out. It was really good! I liked it as a DreamWorks fan, as someone in filmmaking, AND as someone who has been in animation classes before. The fact that they mixed in the comic book style was AMAZING and so creative!! The story has a simple but nice redemptive arc and a couple of twists that were hard to spot. Even though I tend to prefer realistic, deep, complex stories for film, I enjoy animation and it doesn't always have to make sense to enjoy it. Everyone loves an underdog/bad guy-good guy story and this was a classic one.
1. I really think they should do a video on Finding Nemo because it's absolutely heart wrenching and we need to see more crying.
2. I can't wait for Puss in Boots: The Last Wish to go to streaming so they can watch it because it's fantastic and it has a dog that wants to be a therapist so...
I recently discovered this channel a week ago, and I have to say. Honestly, I love your guy's content! Breaking down films from a psychological and cinematography standpoint is one of the best things I have ever seen on KZclip. So much so that I have already watched about 25 of your guys' videos. But there's one thing that bothers me. You guys didn't react to THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS YET!?!?!
Stop cutting me so deeply! Cripes! Between this, Spider-verse, and Scrooge, you are just hitting ALL of the things that I'm struggling with right now, and it isn't fair! In all honesty, though, I really do appreciate it XD It has really been helping me put a lot of things into a context that I'll be able to talk with my own counselor about.
In this case, it's the sense of "are they honoring your change?" And, honestly, I've been fighting to adapt to the changes that have come with my MS, and the ongoing fight is one of "why aren't you the person you were when we got together? Why can't you just go back to that?" At the end of the day... I'm having to rebuild a new me, and the fact that they've been fighting me every step of the way in that effort has left me... just kind of having to do it on my own, as much as I've tried to engage them in that capacity. And now... the new me isn't what they want. I tried to give them the ability to be part of creating the new me, but... they just didn't have the time or mental energy for that, and instead just... went chasing their own priorities and their own projects to the point where now... we're pretty much just roommates.
I was haunted by the finale of Arcane recently. Jinx's whole "I used to think that you could love me the way you used to. But you changed too." Except... that's not quite right. It's more... that they've stayed stuck in their own pain as I've struggled and fought to grow. So. Here's to the new us.
@i like shipping way too much Oh, there's no giving up on my part. I don't have that in me. I'm the "take my advice, you'll have to bury me twice 'cause the first time, I won't rest easily," kind. If anything, I'm more sad for their parts that they... aren't able to move forward, themselves. But I can't make them change. I can only take responsibility for myself. Besides, with how they've handled things for a while now... they've been thinking that it is my responsibility to rebuild trust with them... but they've just completely shattered my trust in them.
@ScaledCardinal Oh, back years ago, I had another relationship that I had to end. After she declared my life's ambitions to be stupid, that was about it. Either way, you have to do what you have to in order to take care of yourself.
im sorry the people in your life arent being supportive of who you're trying to be. despite that, i hope you find other people who are supportive of you and to not give up 👍
Yeah, I just recently had to break up with someone due to them not wanting to put in the effort to change/improve with me, so I feel your pain and hope things get better for you!
I hope you'll make reaction to "Puss in Boots: The Last Wish" someday. Not to spoil much things, but it's great movie with good story and characters, stunning animation, and talking about serious issues like SPOILERS fear of death, traumatic childhood, problems (understandable) with trust.
I saw it twice, and I usually don’t see films more than once in the theater unless I really love them.
It was so good! Everyone needs to see it
The fact that the movie is self aware of it own ridiculousness makes it even better, it gives a real spark of personality
Like there are humans who doesn’t differentiate this anthropomorphic animals? Yeah it works i guess😂
There are actual animals that don’t talk? Yeah it works too😂
What I love about this movie is how it has a goofy, simple story that's carrying an important, complex massage. I was also feeling really depressed on the night when I saw it for the first time, and I found it to be very uplifting. I also really liked the wolf, and speaking of wolves I LOVE your channel and I would love it if you did a video on Wolf Walkers. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do Wolf Walkers, it's incredible!
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Their perfectly in-sync laugh at 13:31:
Like the “audience” of comedy shows
I noticed that too! It was uncanny
I love that this trope isn't used as much except for villains or morally grey characters! Thank you for this! :D
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lmao I was literally just talking to my little brother about this!!! I love that this movie took all the charm and humor from the books yet stayed really unique and fun in its own right. :)
I'm with Alan on this 100%. I think they hit an absolute density of coolness in this movie. Somebody just woke up one day and was like how much coolness can we pack into an animated movie that makes no sense. Coolness coolness coolness
I love watching these! You guys' reactions are hilarious, but I also always learn something. I am surprised that you haven't done one on The Perks of Being a Wallflower. It's one of those films that not many people have even heard of but it's so well done (imo). :)
I was able to watch this movie a few days ago for the first time! I seriously loved every bit of this movie, wish it was longer!
I like that they keep the focus on the main characters by making them anthropomorphic and everyone else is a human. The main characters are trying to be more than their stereotypes, Bad Wolf, Sneaky Fox, so the way they put the focus on them felt both bold but natural!
OH one more thing, the LIP-SYNCING IS INSANE. Diane's "not so different" dialogue has her lips traveling to the sides of her muzzle and back to the front, and the slightly thicker outline around her lips, it looks SO good. All the characters have really great lip-syncing, but on Wolf and Diane it's especially noticeable, it's hard to pick a way to animate muzzles.
The big reason the animation is so "snappy" and they stick to the bigger poses is because the animators took out so many of the in-betweens in the frames between each key pose ~ as for the drawn-on line work, they used a separate application for that :D they've talked about it in a couple of interviews
A lot of this reminded me of finally leaving the church life once and for all. Especially the "life doesn't teach you how to be good, I do." mentality.
To be honest, losing people I cared about was a big fear that kept me from leaving for many, many years...
Then I realized that these people didn't really care about me... I was a body in the pews, a weekly source of $20, somebody willing to do menial tasks for no pay. The people who did associate with me treated me like some kind of young padawan that would "get it" _someday_. By the age of 37, I got pretty damn tired of being treated like a 12-year-old with no knowledge or life experience.
This movie was absolutely amazing. 1 about stereotypes and how they can eat into people 2 learning from past errors and facing the consequences of those errors
Words can't describe how excited I am to watch this video 😂 this movie had no right to be this amazing.
This was amazing!!!! If you get a chance, you should react to the new Puss and Boots Dreamworks movie, it had a really good portrayal of panic attacks and is an awesome movie!
What I adore of this movie is that it doesn't take inspiration from Ocean's 8 alone, is like a combination of movies (animation and live action) with this kind of theme, and specially in the animation part from Lupin III: Castel of Cagliostro from studio Ghibli. The way that the characters run, move, the poses even the police officer that can't let go from her obsession -almost- of catching this guys, is like the Interpol officer that always tries (and fails) to catch Lupin. Is amazing and I love it
Edit: Ocean's 8 or Ocean's 11? I confused myself with another comment
The one issue I have with this movie is that I always felt Snake didn’t give Shark the pop because he cared for his friend. It feels like he did it to shut him up because he was crying. Which, is still selfish despite being misinterpreted.
You guys should do a cinema therapy episode on Brother Bear. It’s one of my favorite classic movies and it has so much to teach
I love every single second of this movie. Logically it's not perfect, but everything about this movie felt like it was made for my brother and me. We love hist movies, animals, snappy dialogue, dynamic duo's, fast paced cartoony animation, etc. I showed it to him over Christmas and now it one of our favorites. We even do the "go bad or go home" with each other. Glad you guy took the time to go over it because the conflict between wolf and snake is something we both noticed and admired.
The animation in this movie gives me serious Lupin the 3rd vibes, especially the way wolf runs.
Yes!
As much as I enjoy structure and coherence, I honestly enjoy it when movies don't make sense with it's universe when it's usually the case of the creator being fully aware and are putting the fun or creativity of it ahead of making sense. My favorite scene is Shark (the master of disguise) pretending to be the human's father. It was so silly I couldn't stop laughing!
Please, if you can, PLEASE review Puss in Boots: The last wish. The way the topics of morality and anxiety are handled is phenomenal, and id love to hear your thoughts on it. Love the video, by the way!
My kid with ODD and ADHD absolutely loved this movie. It’s the only movie he watched from start to finish without running around.
I love how you can see hints of Wolf's goodness even in the very beginning of the movie.
As the gang is gathering in the car for the first time, Shark, Webs, and Piranha all have something for Snake's birthday (or were supposed to - Piranha forgets his because he's loco). They never overtly say it, but you know Wolf was the one who planned that. As he and Snake first enter the bank, he holds the door for his slithering pal. In the diner, he passes the sugar to Snake with no audible prompting - Snake picks up his spoon and Wolf hands him the sugar he wants for his coffee.
Well, that's just natural right? He's being nice to his friend on his birthday. They have a long history together so he surely knows his buddy likes his coffee with a ton of sugar. So?
When the two of them are leaving the diner, Wolf politely asks for the check ("Could we get a check please? When you get a chance?"), leaves some money for their bill, and then reaches into his jacket a second time to put some extra cash in the tip jar. For the leader of a notorious gang of villains, he's awfully considerate. They're thieves - they certainly don't NEED to pay for anything, but he goes out of his way to do so AND has the consideration to leave some extra for their trouble.
As Mike from Better Caul Saul / Breaking Bad would say, "I didn't say you were a bad guy, I said you were a criminal."
He’s gonna pay for his food that’s not about being secretly good that’s about not getting caught and not making a scene where a scene isn’t necessary
This was one of the best animation styles I've seen, it translated the books to movie perfectly
I was LITERALLY thinking yesterday how great it would be for this channel to cover an episode on this movie. I CANNOT be happier!
Yay! Hope you enjoy it!
I loved how when Wolf was pretending to be good they gave him the wolf disguise tropes. Old lady from little red riding hood, sheeps clothing. Been a minute since I watched it so I cant remember if there's others. Lots of great use of established symbolism and allegories in this movie.
Never thought I would want to see this movie but you both are making me actually want to see this one.💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯. Why are y’all this good at this!!!💯💯💯💯🔊🔊🔊
The movie is basically oceans 11 mixed with fantastic Mr fox... Just without George Clooney 😂. Love it nonetheless, and Would love to see a video on fantastic Mr fox!
@zemi zemi my personal favorite!
I agree !! Mr fox is a great movie