Just cause yall want the old gaurd to fail...cause we scary...I'm not sure yall ready...dude...I would chill..it's lonely at the top...all you're friends and heros are dead...just saying
@James Haggenmaker Brady not Mahomes bro, he cannot move?? He never has been able to. What are you expecting him too now?? I'm just saying there isn't a big difference between this Brady and the one who won a SB 2 years ago. That's it.
@James Haggenmaker Look I could care less I only watch my cowboys, go Cowboys. That game wasn't on him though. Put Dak in Brady's shoes he does the same or worse.
It's tough to see if Brady still had it this year or not. Yes prime Brady might have been able to carry the team further, but it's a legitimately difficult task for a pocket passer (compared to someone more mobile like Mahomes etc.) to thrive when the Bucs are bottom tier for pass protection %, dead last in rushing, and at one point led the league in drops. I could see a world where he finds a team with better pass protection and run game and ends up doing pretty well.
@Sir_Valion I agree, I'm a huge Brady fan. I think given his circumstances they did as best as they could. Although there were some missed throws here and there that I'm not used to seeing from him. Could just be that he was so unsettled in the pocket though.
@Yeezus Dropout LOL. Moss 1 year. Branch was mediocre. Edelman admits Brady made him. Antonio Brown 1 year. His run games were seldom much better than average. You're clueless.
@Alex C That's fair to ponder, but since those questions are in play, it's unfair to conclude that he lost anything. A 45 yo passed 700+ times. A 25 yo would be tired in that predicament.
Here’s what I believe his mentality is: he won’t go out if he’s on top because winning is what motivates him to keep playing, as we saw when he won Super Bowl LV. The only way he’s gonna quit is if he physically can’t do it anymore and continues to lose. So although he SHOULD’VE retired when he was on top, that’s just not the way he thinks. He’s gonna play until he’s got nothing left
@X ACE X I was only responding the idea that he should retire on top. Those other reasons you listed weren't apart of your original comment, you added those after I responded to you. And what did these last 2yrs do for his legacy you ask? I don't work for ESPN or Fox so I don't look at a players career the same way you do. The man has 10 SB appearances & 7 rings, that is his legacy. These last 2yrs have been remarkable just simply because of his age. His play hasn't been great but why would that hinder his legacy, he's already solidified. I agree that he's putting himself in harm's way & that at his age he needs to hang it up now before he seriously hurts himself. The retiring on top thing is just nonsense to me.
@Wilson I like how you just ignored first two reasons I listed. But anyways, injury is a completely valid reason as well. Also, when he won Super Bowl LV, he proved that he could win on another team, which was literally the only accomplishment he had left, which he didn’t even need to do to be considered the greatest. So again, what have these last 2 seasons added to his legacy?
@X ACE X You didn't say he should retire because of health concerns, you said he should've retired while on top. Athletes want to play. Retiring while being on top is fan talk, guys at his position retire when they can't get a job anymore.
The most refreshing thing about the Cowboys win is that they actually had to stop themselves from scoring at will. That was the performance of a "dominant" team. Hopefully they'll take that energy into San Francisco(along with a good game strategy).
Dude is 45 and is showing he’s human. lol. The fact he went that long is crazy. I think he can still play but you gotta build a tight system around him and have a Niners-style offense where he can dump it to a Deebo or CMC.
IMO, the only way Brady wins another Super Bowl is if the Niners lose this year, trade Trey Lance, let Jimmy G walk, and sign Brady to a 1 year deal with whatever left they can offer and Purdy is his backup for that year. All he'd have to do is feed CMC, Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, etc and not sell.
Lol no way. He’s done, he’s been terrible all season and it’s no one’s fault but his own. Never seen him look so bad ever. The way he was missing simple passes and overthrowing receivers it was just sad to watch.
Tom's most successful days where when he had a RB who can catch, and plays where the passing game routes where between the 5 to 25 yrd range, then he goes deep. Bill had a game plan, and it was play the long game( 3 yrds here, 5 yrds there, then work the TEs for bout 10 to 20) while not putting my Defense in harms way. Control the clock.
@Sir_Valion Is your IQ below the speed limit? I said he made trash look like gold many times so how can I have just started watching when Brady's been in the league for decades?
@jared swift Tom Brady has HISTORICALLY made trash look like gold. Let's not shift the blame anywhere else but where it needs to be. Brady played bad & that's that. He had the pieces and didn't deliver.
I think if he was on a team that he trusted could get him to a super bowl he would be fine with taking shots to get there. My intuition is that he doesn't fully trust in the level of his team and that plays a big part.
With the right team I think he can still do it. I’d still take Brady over a lot of QB’s. I’m sure this isn’t the way he wants to go out but he also might find himself in a situation where the team doesn’t even make the playoffs. I can’t see him going to a trash team just to play longer. That would be sad. He needs to at least be on a team that has a chance.
If he ends up at a team with a great offensive line he’ll be okay. He is still better than other QB options in the league and that’s the ultimate decision maker.
There was a run game last night, Rashad White was running just fine. But they abandoned the run after Lenny came up short a few times. Never tried White again. That goal line INT could have been an easy rushing TD for White.
@Awesome Finish White averaged 3.7 yards a haul on the year. That sucks and is bottom of the barrel for the league. His one good run while Dallas is jumping out to a big lead doesn't scream "run more". You're just talking cliches with no real substance. There is no reasonable prospect that running more would have made anything better.
@Sir_Valion So, White got a first down, got us halfway to the sticks with another run and had a loss of 2. So you abandon him and run? Nah. You keep saying the run game stunk throughout the season. And I keep saying if they benched fornette like they did in the seattle game, we'd have had the same result as that game with White, a better run game. Watch Fornette as he dances in the backfield every single carry. He's a power back. He relies on speed and his weight to break tackles.
@Awesome Finish Yeah, Lenny sucks unless he's hungry, and the idiot Licht stifled that with the big contract. Point is, -2, 4 and 12 yards is no enticement to keep running when you're falling behind, considering your run game has been dead last all year.
@Sir_Valion so a 4 yard carry and 12 yard carry are bad? White had an average of 4.6 yards per carry which isn't bad. Maybe if they fed him the ball more often during the season his production in the playoffs would be better. Either way, he's a better back than Lenny and I stand behind that.
@Awesome Finish It was 18-0 at the half. White's runs were -2, 4, and 12 yards in the first half. Fournette added 3, 4, 6 and -3. That's nothing to hang your hat on. They had the worst running game in the league, but you think the key was them running more. There is nothing about that running that would make you want to run more, especially when you were behind 12-0 after just 24 minutes.
I can agree Shannon. He either needs to be able to take the hits or he needs to leave the game behind. Can't have it both ways. I don't think he's lost the skill all but he needs to do one or the other of the above-mentioned.
20 years of winning is a stellar career! He still has the form and the arm but he could play again another year but why? He has nothing left to prove to anyone.
The 🐐 is taking his talents to Las Vegas to be a Raider!! Imagine if Brady gets an entire offseason of work with Davante Adams, Darren Waller, Hunter Renfrow, Josh Jacobs, and possibly a healthy Gronk. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Looks like they both corrected. Friends fight , but these two didn't grow up together. Work friends can really mess up a career so be careful uncle shay ☺️
I am so surprised (And glad ) that Dallas won . I swore up and down that they would choke . Now if Dak can take this same energy into the game with the 49ers and that darn kicker quit missing pat's, then Dallas may actually have a chance against the red hot 49ers.
This is exactly why I stand by my take(and pretty much everyones take lol) that he should have retired after last year. 5,316 pass yards, 43 TDs, 12 wins, 2nd in MVP voting with a solid arguement that he should have won it, a playoff win, and almost came back to beat the eventual SB champs in another herculean effort. May not have won the SB, but he could have been the 1st QB to play as long as he did and still say, "I still went out as the best, no one knocked me out of this game." Watching last nights game was hard, it was like watching Jordan with the Wizards lol. Yeah he had his occasional great moments but it's clear he shouldn't be playing anymore. I mean numbers wise he was still a top 10 QB, but he's not winning anymore SBs and that should be the only reason Tom continues. The Dolphins and Niners are the only teams I think he can win a SB with, but the Niners will continue with Purdy and they still have Lance backing him up. Idk how the Dolphins will deal with Tua going forward tho
Honestly its rare for the greats to go out on top. What makes them great to begin with is the same thing that makes them play until theres nothing left. You see it all the time in sports. There are actually very few Barry Sanders-type. Most of them go out a shell of themselves. That competitive that made them great is a blessing and a curse, and the same thing thats gonna make Tom play until they stop offering him jobs.
*3:38:35** Can we simply take a moment to appreciate how much time and work he placed on these videos!?* *It is fabulous, and I consider they deserve a lot more than that.*
At this point, I feel he’s just playing to run his stats up even more, to the point that they’ll be unbreakable, because no one is going to still be playing at 45 years old ever again, and it would take that long to get those numbers.
There's the cliff everyone spoke about last season. He is not the same at 45 its that's simple. He's definitely proven it out there. Walk off into the sunset TB.
Shannon criticizing Tom for the same thing he’s always defended Bron for, while Skip defends Tom for the same thing he’s always criticized Bron for is pretty hilarious
3:00....I been thinking the same all night of what Skip just said. Tom is going to convince himself and others that if he has a good and healthy o line he can keep playing.
@pol pol What QB doesn't? Rams won the Superbowl and couldnt even make the play-offs. At whatever QB your thinking of right now, will also need help at some point.
Father time is undefeated. There's no shame in retiring Tom. Don't fall apart year after year like Favre did, just call it. You have more superbowl rings than any franchise. This is coming from a Broncos fan: It's time to walk away and move on to the next chapter in your life, you've given football more than enough.
For some odd reason Todd Bowles rarely receives criticism. The buck stops with every other coach except Todd Bowles. He's gotten a pass all year. Bowles didn't even deserve the position to begin with. Before the season he had a 37% career winning percentage and a 28% winning percentage his last three seasons with the Jets. Abysmal numbers like that makes me wonder why he was even considered for the position to begin with, let alone hired. It sure wasn't his credentials. I'm guessing they needed more 'diversity' at the head coaching position
Brady got the last coach out maybe this one too. Recievers run wrong routes, poor offensive line, bad calls by refs but never ever is it toms fault. The man has never had a bad game or thrown a bad pass
@M D its always about rhace. You know how bowles got the job, so there is no mystery. Leftwich seems to be out and they were hyping him up. They also said that brady was helping to orchestrate the offense.
@Thebrothaisback my comment had nothing to do with black coaches as a whole and nothing to do with Tomlin. My problem is with Bowles not receiving criticism for the Bucs performance this season while every other coach does, and why he was even considered for the position in the first place with a losing coaching record. I only brought up race because there's nothing in Bowles resume that qualifies him for the job. Since his resume doesn't check the boxes then it leads me to believe diversity may be the only reason he got the job.
Everything SS said is correct, & let's just b honest, if the rules wasn't CHANGED to protect QB's, he NEVER would've lasted THIS LONG !! Tom would've BEEN RETIRED either WILLINGLY or by FORCE 💯
I can't imagine Tom Brady wants to move to the same division as Kansas City and the Chargers. Then still have to think about Burrow and Allen. Too much power in the AFC for Brady towards the end of his career.
Reestablishing him in the AFC West primarily will show everyone how he's still an elite Quarterback. Can show he can still hang with the young kids. Because he can. Him goin to the Raiders will continue to dominate and show great games. It's the wild west for a reason. AFC always been a war zone. The Chargers aren't a threat. Carr with a wounded weak team his whole career has plenty wins against the Chargers. The Broncos aren't a threat. Russell Wilson is still a great QB and will give good games. The Real threat to the Raiders have always been the Chiefs. And frankly, I want the Chiefs to be on a losing streak so bad. They needa be taken off their throne. We definitely can through Tom Brady. Granted it'll be only for a year or two, but it will make a difference.
🏈Tampa Loves Tom & Tom Loves Tampa. He's staying with us in Tompa Bay. ❤👍 We'd rather lose with Tom then Win with anyone else. Although when he comes back to the Bucs next year, we are gonna Win it all. 🏈
My biggest complaint about these video uploads is that they don’t show the replays when the live airing shows the audience replays. We just get to see Skip and Shannon during the replay.
I think Brady should stay in the NFC because as a whole, it's not as good as it used to be. I don't see the Raiders competing with Buffalo, Kansas City, Cincinnati, or Baltimore. But Todd bowles is a terrible head coach and defensive coordinator, Tampa would have to make major improvements to the offensive line if he stays.
I wouldn’t be surprised Tom joins the Raiders, just like he joined Tampa, they have a really good run game with jacobs (Tampa was last in rushing) and they got Devante adams arguably the best reviver in the NFL I think I he joins the Raiders they could make the Super Bowl one season.
If I’m Brady and I’m not retiring, I’m definitely not going back to Tampa. I think he lands in Las Vegas, San Fran, or Tennessee. I think Vegas has the offensive weapons, but the defense is mid-tier and Josh McDaniels is a big question mark at head coach. Brady knows McDaniels better than anyone, so him signing there really depends on if he thinks McDaniels can be a guy at HC. San Fran seems like a dream scenario, you plug Brady in with all those weapons and defense and it’s a Super Bowl almost guaranteed. The problem is they don’t know what happens with Purdy, Lance, or Jimmy G. I think Tennessee is a sleeper landing spot for him. He gets to go to an easy division, he has a great defense and a great run game, and he reunites with Mike Vrabel who we know is a proven HC. Tennessee brings in a couple of star offensive talent, it’s over.
For San Fran, it only happens if they don't win the SB this year. Otherwise, they just run it back with Purdy. If SF does lose, then they can let Jimmy G walk, trade Trey Lance, and offer a 1 year deal to Brady with as much as they can offer for that year to win now. If it happens he'll have a chance to win 8 and double the great Joe Montana's ring count while winning for his childhood team 🤯
I really don’t expect him to retire after a season that underwhelming. And it’s sad because it really does feel like he can’t quit football when he’s accomplished so much and is much older than the large majority of HOFers when they retire.
It’s crazy to say that because Tom had his first bad year of his career he has to go home. the BUCCS we’re a total team mess from players to coaching, Brady just has to go to a good team to maximize that teams chances on making the Super Bowl.
It's a shame that he didn't have the protection and run game all year. He led the league in pass attempts and pass completions. 66 pass attempts is an awful lot of throws for ANY QB to throw in a game let alone a 45 year old! Brady does look like he lost weight. You can see it in his face.
There's not a competitive team with a quarterback slot open. Any team Brady can go to needs more time than he likely has left playing to reach the standard. The NFC south is realistically the only division where he can bet on a playoff spot.
Tom is in the same boat that Michael Jordan was in in 2002-2003. He had an amazing career, but if he stays in, winning it all just isn't going to happen.
Found it a little funny that announcers kept using the phrase “Brady & Evans just haven’t been on the same page” like it was *always* a group problem. How about at least once or twice it’s just Brady throwing a horrible pass? The little ways they try to protect Brady as much as possible is fascinating. It’s almost subliminal.
You give Brady devante Adams, a healthy young o line, s running back in top 3 and a leading rusher, plus a defense that’s going to get more chemistry 😮😅 idk that’s scary. He just gotta go through mahomes 2-3 times
@Big HerboYT No he didn't. Hes only faced Brady twice in the play-offs. Google it instead of guessing. He faced him in 2019 with NE, and faced him in 2021 with TB. Its 2-0 Brady. I mean this is easy to verify with Google, so why are you just guessing.
@David bruh Brady beat him in the afc championship game his first year, the next year he beat Brady in the wild card I think. Then he lost to Brady in the Super Bowl 2-1 Brady
@Big HerboYT When did Mahomes ever beat Brady in the play-offs? They have only faced each other twice, and Brady won both times. He faced NE in 2019 AFC Champ game, Brady won. He faced TB in 2021 SB, Brady won. Brady is 2-0 vs Mahomes in the play-offs.
Yeah, give the "goat" the best coach, best O-line, great defense, easy division, top chemistry... and then you will see what he can do, right? Can't you see the irony?
Why would Brady want to join a division with Mahomes, Herbert, and the Broncos looking to prove last season as a fluke? I thought the goal was to atleast make the playoffs.
@Steve Steve No Tom Brady is The Only QB That Get's All The Credit When The Team Wins No Matter What, When He Was Carried By Patriots Defence He Got All The Credit, When Adam Made Last Minute Field Goals Tom Got All The Credit, Brady Never Threw any Last Second TD's For Superbowls. In 2015 Broncos Defense Got Credit Not Peyton Manning, So Brady Getting All The Credit is a Recurring Theme I Thought it Was a Team Sport.
Brady can't play another season of football successfully with anything less than the perfect situation. That would be another Tampa type situation like the one he walked in to a few years ago.
It bothers me that he’s still Skip,Skip, Skip after the way he’s been disrespected. You’ve thanked him for the opportunity enough, no more is necessary!
Put any Qb in the league on that Tampa team it would be the same result point blank period. Millions believed that the chiefs would’ve won the superbowl if they had a healthy offensive line, imagine playing behind that for an entire season.
I said it at the beginning of the season. He shouldn't have come out of retirement. It's time for him to retired. This season was just sad watching him play. I said it at the beginning of the season and I will say it again, He has nothing left to prove anymore
Brady reminds me of the old guys at the job at retirement age but refuse to retire. Just walking around doing less than bare minimum collecting a check.
If the 49ers fail to make the superbowl or maybe even lose in the superbowl I think they will pursue Brady out of desperation to win it all next season because they're built to win now and I think adding Tom would put them over the top. If the 49ers win the superbowl then they won't go after Brady. I just don't see him going back to the AFC if he returns next season.
He was runner up MVP last year, lol. Unless you think his arm is gone, they had the same team, more or less, as last year but their offensive production was cut in half and the only major change was... the coach. Deductive reasoning would say something other than he's no longer the guy. But haters gonna.
@Baltej Bains yes but Joe Mixon had a pretty decent year in 2021 - teams have to respect the run = different defensive packages leaving WR's more 1 on 1 matchups. The bucs had 60% of their plays perfectly covered by Dallas for this reason, compare to wildcard avg of 34%. There isn't a pocket passing QB, including Burrows, that would do well against that when your run game is nonexistent and when there's no one to throw to as a result. Are you just arguing to argue for no reason lol.
@Ben10 Rucks Godwin was hurt last year. AB left the last quarter of the season. Gronk was in and out of the lineup with injuries. He just had Mike for the whole year.
@Alex C when the o line is basically swiss cheese that's trying to stop water from a fire hose, the opposing defense doesn't need to commit 4 guys to get to the QB.
@Baltej Bains Not saying what Burrows did wasn't impressive, I'm a fan myself. But Bengals did average 40 more rush yards a game than the Bucs. It helps the QB a lot when the defense knows they can just leave the box empty to cover up the WRs.
Does Tom want to play in a division with Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, and the Broncos who already have an elite defense? Imagine if Russ’ uses aren’t there next season and we get more of the old Russ. Does Tom want to try and win that division? Assuming he does does he want to play the Bills or Bengals to try and get to a Superbowl? I don’t think so.
It happens to every player, they think they can go forever, but time always catches up. Brady should have retired last year, yes he can still play at a high level and better then some younger players but he is at his end. Now he gots the rest of his life to live very comfortable with and eighteen girl at his side.
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Tom is the goat, personal life just hurt he coming back let's get it goat 🐐🐐
I don't think people realize how bad Tampa's O-Line has been this year
I love Tom brady but it's time to retire
@Anthony He is still trying!!🤣🤣🤣
How does skip bayless defend tom this time ?
This was the healthiest conversation they had about Brady all year.
@DeNiro he tried his best tho, at least he's not able to criticize him much
@ThomasFromTN I know these 🍋 are a joke... the billionaires think he's fine down here in flawrida...coach just got fired
Just cause yall want the old gaurd to fail...cause we scary...I'm not sure yall ready...dude...I would chill..it's lonely at the top...all you're friends and heros are dead...just saying
@James Haggenmaker Brady not Mahomes bro, he cannot move?? He never has been able to. What are you expecting him too now?? I'm just saying there isn't a big difference between this Brady and the one who won a SB 2 years ago. That's it.
@James Haggenmaker Look I could care less I only watch my cowboys, go Cowboys. That game wasn't on him though. Put Dak in Brady's shoes he does the same or worse.
It's tough to see if Brady still had it this year or not. Yes prime Brady might have been able to carry the team further, but it's a legitimately difficult task for a pocket passer (compared to someone more mobile like Mahomes etc.) to thrive when the Bucs are bottom tier for pass protection %, dead last in rushing, and at one point led the league in drops. I could see a world where he finds a team with better pass protection and run game and ends up doing pretty well.
@Sir_Valion I agree, I'm a huge Brady fan. I think given his circumstances they did as best as they could. Although there were some missed throws here and there that I'm not used to seeing from him. Could just be that he was so unsettled in the pocket though.
@Devonta Cosby Really? But Brady had the second lowest INT% in the league. See how facts destroy your fantasies, lol?
@Yeezus Dropout LOL. Moss 1 year. Branch was mediocre. Edelman admits Brady made him. Antonio Brown 1 year. His run games were seldom much better than average.
You're clueless.
@Alex C That's fair to ponder, but since those questions are in play, it's unfair to conclude that he lost anything. A 45 yo passed 700+ times. A 25 yo would be tired in that predicament.
Here’s what I believe his mentality is: he won’t go out if he’s on top because winning is what motivates him to keep playing, as we saw when he won Super Bowl LV. The only way he’s gonna quit is if he physically can’t do it anymore and continues to lose. So although he SHOULD’VE retired when he was on top, that’s just not the way he thinks. He’s gonna play until he’s got nothing left
He already said that he would rather play and lose than not play.
Good. He came into the nfl combine looking like a chump. He'll leave looking like a chump. 😄
@X ACE X I was only responding the idea that he should retire on top. Those other reasons you listed weren't apart of your original comment, you added those after I responded to you. And what did these last 2yrs do for his legacy you ask? I don't work for ESPN or Fox so I don't look at a players career the same way you do. The man has 10 SB appearances & 7 rings, that is his legacy. These last 2yrs have been remarkable just simply because of his age. His play hasn't been great but why would that hinder his legacy, he's already solidified. I agree that he's putting himself in harm's way & that at his age he needs to hang it up now before he seriously hurts himself. The retiring on top thing is just nonsense to me.
@Wilson I like how you just ignored first two reasons I listed. But anyways, injury is a completely valid reason as well. Also, when he won Super Bowl LV, he proved that he could win on another team, which was literally the only accomplishment he had left, which he didn’t even need to do to be considered the greatest. So again, what have these last 2 seasons added to his legacy?
@X ACE X You didn't say he should retire because of health concerns, you said he should've retired while on top. Athletes want to play. Retiring while being on top is fan talk, guys at his position retire when they can't get a job anymore.
I like the way Shannon makes a point every time. Always hits the nail on the head.
He can't go out like that after he went through all that with his wife and etc. His ego probably bring him back for one more season.
@Legiey good team does tho. It's a team sport
@Nancy He lost his wife because she's a selfish diva. It was a long time coming.
@Kendrel C Sorry but, you are clueless.
@Legiey in football it does
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The most refreshing thing about the Cowboys win is that they actually had to stop themselves from scoring at will. That was the performance of a "dominant" team. Hopefully they'll take that energy into San Francisco(along with a good game strategy).
@what???and afc playoffs
There was that one drive early in the 4th were they passed the ball on 2nd down and I just rolled my eyes
Same as what happened to Ronaldo. At this age athletes like these need brilliant teams to carry them further.
Wrong.... but any QB needs better than an OL of scrubs and a dead last running game.
@Thebrothaisback the most watched sports in the world.
@Feynman Schwinger E_MC2 How many world cups ronaldo have? Exactly 😂
@khan md alright
@Raymond Sims it was just a banter anyway you took it seriously lol
Dude is 45 and is showing he’s human. lol. The fact he went that long is crazy. I think he can still play but you gotta build a tight system around him and have a Niners-style offense where he can dump it to a Deebo or CMC.
IMO, the only way Brady wins another Super Bowl is if the Niners lose this year, trade Trey Lance, let Jimmy G walk, and sign Brady to a 1 year deal with whatever left they can offer and Purdy is his backup for that year. All he'd have to do is feed CMC, Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, etc and not sell.
Lol no way. He’s done, he’s been terrible all season and it’s no one’s fault but his own. Never seen him look so bad ever. The way he was missing simple passes and overthrowing receivers it was just sad to watch.
Tom's most successful days where when he had a RB who can catch, and plays where the passing game routes where between the 5 to 25 yrd range, then he goes deep. Bill had a game plan, and it was play the long game( 3 yrds here, 5 yrds there, then work the TEs for bout 10 to 20) while not putting my Defense in harms way. Control the clock.
Like Spears said, he's scared to get hit and when you get to that point just move on with your life. He's the GOAT but, it's time
@Sir_Valion Is your IQ below the speed limit? I said he made trash look like gold many times so how can I have just started watching when Brady's been in the league for decades?
@LL C He had trash to work with. When did you start watching the game, a few weeks ago?
@jared swift Tom Brady has HISTORICALLY made trash look like gold. Let's not shift the blame anywhere else but where it needs to be. Brady played bad & that's that. He had the pieces and didn't deliver.
I think if he was on a team that he trusted could get him to a super bowl he would be fine with taking shots to get there. My intuition is that he doesn't fully trust in the level of his team and that plays a big part.
With the right team I think he can still do it. I’d still take Brady over a lot of QB’s.
I’m sure this isn’t the way he wants to go out but he also might find himself in a situation where the team doesn’t even make the playoffs.
I can’t see him going to a trash team just to play longer. That would be sad. He needs to at least be on a team that has a chance.
If he ends up at a team with a great offensive line he’ll be okay. He is still better than other QB options in the league and that’s the ultimate decision maker.
Tampa has 3 pro bowlers on o line when healthy
Naw it's over!!!!
Shannon: "What I found out is once you move it's easier to move"
Skip: "We would love to have him (Brady) here"
I think uncle Shay Shay sending those messages 😂😂
Yes he's right. Once you move and leave your comfort zone and home. Its easier to relocate again because it's not the end of the world. You can adjust
There was a run game last night, Rashad White was running just fine. But they abandoned the run after Lenny came up short a few times. Never tried White again. That goal line INT could have been an easy rushing TD for White.
@Awesome Finish White averaged 3.7 yards a haul on the year. That sucks and is bottom of the barrel for the league. His one good run while Dallas is jumping out to a big lead doesn't scream "run more". You're just talking cliches with no real substance. There is no reasonable prospect that running more would have made anything better.
@Sir_Valion So, White got a first down, got us halfway to the sticks with another run and had a loss of 2. So you abandon him and run? Nah. You keep saying the run game stunk throughout the season. And I keep saying if they benched fornette like they did in the seattle game, we'd have had the same result as that game with White, a better run game. Watch Fornette as he dances in the backfield every single carry. He's a power back. He relies on speed and his weight to break tackles.
@Awesome Finish Yeah, Lenny sucks unless he's hungry, and the idiot Licht stifled that with the big contract. Point is, -2, 4 and 12 yards is no enticement to keep running when you're falling behind, considering your run game has been dead last all year.
@Sir_Valion so a 4 yard carry and 12 yard carry are bad? White had an average of 4.6 yards per carry which isn't bad. Maybe if they fed him the ball more often during the season his production in the playoffs would be better. Either way, he's a better back than Lenny and I stand behind that.
@Awesome Finish It was 18-0 at the half. White's runs were -2, 4, and 12 yards in the first half. Fournette added 3, 4, 6 and -3. That's nothing to hang your hat on. They had the worst running game in the league, but you think the key was them running more. There is nothing about that running that would make you want to run more, especially when you were behind 12-0 after just 24 minutes.
I can agree Shannon. He either needs to be able to take the hits or he needs to leave the game behind. Can't have it both ways. I don't think he's lost the skill all but he needs to do one or the other of the above-mentioned.
I know skip confused af. He gotta bash his husband Brady but gotta be excited for his cowboys & Dak looking really good
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@Czarcastic 145 I'll reach you next week . Don't worry
@Steven🇵🇷 Torres Pound your chest all you want. it is amusing.
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@Czarcastic 145 will you be here next week when the cowboys lose to a real team?
A boxer fighting past his prime, simply put. GOAT sit down and get ready the Hall of Fame
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20 years of winning is a stellar career! He still has the form and the arm but he could play again another year but why? He has nothing left to prove to anyone.
The 🐐 is taking his talents to Las Vegas to be a Raider!! Imagine if Brady gets an entire offseason of work with Davante Adams, Darren Waller, Hunter Renfrow, Josh Jacobs, and possibly a healthy Gronk. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@broderick Crawford 😂 Ok..smh
And they still won't win anything..
Raiders defense ain't good enough he needs a complete team the 49ers eagles or something like that complete team offense defense and special teams
Looks like they both corrected. Friends fight , but these two didn't grow up together. Work friends can really mess up a career so be careful uncle shay ☺️
I am so surprised (And glad ) that Dallas won . I swore up and down that they would choke . Now if Dak can take this same energy into the game with the 49ers and that darn kicker quit missing pat's, then Dallas may actually have a chance against the red hot 49ers.
This is exactly why I stand by my take(and pretty much everyones take lol) that he should have retired after last year. 5,316 pass yards, 43 TDs, 12 wins, 2nd in MVP voting with a solid arguement that he should have won it, a playoff win, and almost came back to beat the eventual SB champs in another herculean effort. May not have won the SB, but he could have been the 1st QB to play as long as he did and still say, "I still went out as the best, no one knocked me out of this game." Watching last nights game was hard, it was like watching Jordan with the Wizards lol. Yeah he had his occasional great moments but it's clear he shouldn't be playing anymore. I mean numbers wise he was still a top 10 QB, but he's not winning anymore SBs and that should be the only reason Tom continues. The Dolphins and Niners are the only teams I think he can win a SB with, but the Niners will continue with Purdy and they still have Lance backing him up. Idk how the Dolphins will deal with Tua going forward tho
Honestly its rare for the greats to go out on top. What makes them great to begin with is the same thing that makes them play until theres nothing left. You see it all the time in sports. There are actually very few Barry Sanders-type. Most of them go out a shell of themselves. That competitive that made them great is a blessing and a curse, and the same thing thats gonna make Tom play until they stop offering him jobs.
*3:38:35** Can we simply take a moment to appreciate how much time and work he placed on these videos!?*
*It is fabulous, and I consider they deserve a lot more than that.*
At this point, I feel he’s just playing to run his stats up even more, to the point that they’ll be unbreakable, because no one is going to still be playing at 45 years old ever again, and it would take that long to get those numbers.
There's the cliff everyone spoke about last season. He is not the same at 45 its that's simple. He's definitely proven it out there. Walk off into the sunset TB.
Tbh I thought if Evans caught that ball at the 2 minute mark I was like oh man here comes Tom
These two are great together. Also a little bit funny that by the end of the conversation it sounds like they have swapped perspectives
Tom didn’t wanna get hit last night period never seen him like this before
My favorite two sports analyzers of many greats.
True quality👍
He really throw it 66 times?
When you're down by 3 tds you have to throw it as much as possible
@John Bthey couldn’t run the ball lol
@KevinDunn'sBeaver they don’t even attempt to run that’s part of the issue.
@John B lol they were down like 3 touchdowns
He had to keep chucking duh
Yep, a 45 year old QB being asked to throw the ball 66 times. Todd Bowles has no place in the NFL as a head coach.
Dang! I was watching the game last night and looking at TB and thinking............has he lost weight? Glad I wasn't the only one.
This the most legitimate convo abt Brady that’s ever been discussed on this show. I hope these two don’t have any beef I love this show so much.
@OhNah where or when?
Shannon confirmed he’s leaving
Tampa just wasn't very good this year. QB can't do it all but I thought Brady did awesome considering what he had to work with.
Was I the only one waiting for Shannon to say “he can’t summons it up as he once could” in this lol
Brady should've retired after winning the SB a couple of years ago
"Of 12 quarterbacks that played this weekend, he had the second lowest QBR only behind Skylar of Miami, Tom had 24.1 Skylar was 22.6"
@Dreezy 1 doesn’t matter it shows he’s still the GOAT
@Talented Mr. Flowers rings are overrated, it's a tram game
You watched the video too!?
He also had the worst running game out of the QBs that played and faced a harder defense than most of the other 11
Skylar wasn't bad, average and could have been good with a couple drops being catches.
Shannon criticizing Tom for the same thing he’s always defended Bron for, while Skip defends Tom for the same thing he’s always criticized Bron for is pretty hilarious
3:00....I been thinking the same all night of what Skip just said. Tom is going to convince himself and others that if he has a good and healthy o line he can keep playing.
@David that's not what Brady fanboys kept telling us all this time
@pol pol What QB doesn't? Rams won the Superbowl and couldnt even make the play-offs. At whatever QB your thinking of right now, will also need help at some point.
so he needs perfect conditions to deliver? good to know
Do you think more about sports or ending child poverty
Put brady behind a healthy O line one solid receiver and tight end , and a decent not great D and you would still see greatness every Sunday
Father time is undefeated. There's no shame in retiring Tom. Don't fall apart year after year like Favre did, just call it. You have more superbowl rings than any franchise. This is coming from a Broncos fan: It's time to walk away and move on to the next chapter in your life, you've given football more than enough.
You can tell they had a man to man talk off camera. I’m glad they’ve decided to move forward
For some odd reason Todd Bowles rarely receives criticism. The buck stops with every other coach except Todd Bowles. He's gotten a pass all year.
Bowles didn't even deserve the position to begin with. Before the season he had a 37% career winning percentage and a 28% winning percentage his last three seasons with the Jets.
Abysmal numbers like that makes me wonder why he was even considered for the position to begin with, let alone hired. It sure wasn't his credentials. I'm guessing they needed more 'diversity' at the head coaching position
Brady got the last coach out maybe this one too. Recievers run wrong routes, poor offensive line, bad calls by refs but never ever is it toms fault. The man has never had a bad game or thrown a bad pass
@pol pol I'm talking about the major sports news networks like Fox and ESPN. I never hear a peep about Bowles.
is this a joke? Half of youtube is criticizing Todd all year long
@M D its always about rhace. You know how bowles got the job, so there is no mystery. Leftwich seems to be out and they were hyping him up. They also said that brady was helping to orchestrate the offense.
@Thebrothaisback my comment had nothing to do with black coaches as a whole and nothing to do with Tomlin. My problem is with Bowles not receiving criticism for the Bucs performance this season while every other coach does, and why he was even considered for the position in the first place with a losing coaching record.
I only brought up race because there's nothing in Bowles resume that qualifies him for the job. Since his resume doesn't check the boxes then it leads me to believe diversity may be the only reason he got the job.
Everything SS said is correct, & let's just b honest, if the rules wasn't CHANGED to protect QB's, he NEVER would've lasted THIS LONG !! Tom would've BEEN RETIRED either WILLINGLY or by FORCE 💯
Sounded like Shannon just said to me it would be pretty easy for him to move on and leave Skips a sitting here looking crazy lol
He is still top 10 though so I say he will play next year …. He threw 4700 yards with a 2-1 TD INT ratio
I can't imagine Tom Brady wants to move to the same division as Kansas City and the Chargers. Then still have to think about Burrow and Allen. Too much power in the AFC for Brady towards the end of his career.
Reestablishing him in the AFC West primarily will show everyone how he's still an elite Quarterback. Can show he can still hang with the young kids. Because he can. Him goin to the Raiders will continue to dominate and show great games. It's the wild west for a reason. AFC always been a war zone. The Chargers aren't a threat. Carr with a wounded weak team his whole career has plenty wins against the Chargers. The Broncos aren't a threat. Russell Wilson is still a great QB and will give good games. The Real threat to the Raiders have always been the Chiefs. And frankly, I want the Chiefs to be on a losing streak so bad. They needa be taken off their throne. We definitely can through Tom Brady. Granted it'll be only for a year or two, but it will make a difference.
@Al Cianfrani well it’s young talent give it time. You can’t compare 22 year career to all of those guys. All of them combined don’t equal 22 years.
@Al Cianfrani true but they're all young, they're set up to run the league going forward
@Al Cianfrani i mean yea only one qb out of the afc can win 😂😂😂
@Jared Longoria no
🏈Tampa Loves Tom & Tom Loves Tampa. He's staying with us in Tompa Bay. ❤👍 We'd rather lose with Tom then Win with anyone else. Although when he comes back to the Bucs next year, we are gonna Win it all. 🏈
That oline was the major problem all season long but Brady still played like sh**
My biggest complaint about these video uploads is that they don’t show the replays when the live airing shows the audience replays. We just get to see Skip and Shannon during the replay.
yeah it sucks but just record and watch it at home
Has to do with Copyright laws
I think Brady should stay in the NFC because as a whole, it's not as good as it used to be. I don't see the Raiders competing with Buffalo, Kansas City, Cincinnati, or Baltimore. But Todd bowles is a terrible head coach and defensive coordinator, Tampa would have to make major improvements to the offensive line if he stays.
Buccs also need to get rid of Fournette. He is way too slow and was the worst starting running back in the league
I wouldn’t be surprised Tom joins the Raiders, just like he joined Tampa, they have a really good run game with jacobs (Tampa was last in rushing) and they got Devante adams arguably the best reviver in the NFL I think I he joins the Raiders they could make the Super Bowl one season.
"Now see you resign all of these guys and now you're stuck with them while he's on to greener pastures"
If I’m Brady and I’m not retiring, I’m definitely not going back to Tampa. I think he lands in Las Vegas, San Fran, or Tennessee. I think Vegas has the offensive weapons, but the defense is mid-tier and Josh McDaniels is a big question mark at head coach. Brady knows McDaniels better than anyone, so him signing there really depends on if he thinks McDaniels can be a guy at HC. San Fran seems like a dream scenario, you plug Brady in with all those weapons and defense and it’s a Super Bowl almost guaranteed. The problem is they don’t know what happens with Purdy, Lance, or Jimmy G. I think Tennessee is a sleeper landing spot for him. He gets to go to an easy division, he has a great defense and a great run game, and he reunites with Mike Vrabel who we know is a proven HC. Tennessee brings in a couple of star offensive talent, it’s over.
For San Fran, it only happens if they don't win the SB this year. Otherwise, they just run it back with Purdy. If SF does lose, then they can let Jimmy G walk, trade Trey Lance, and offer a 1 year deal to Brady with as much as they can offer for that year to win now.
If it happens he'll have a chance to win 8 and double the great Joe Montana's ring count while winning for his childhood team 🤯
Now we don’t have to hear about Brady for a while
@Puppy Monkey Baby fr he don’t know Brady
You must be new 😄
I really don’t expect him to retire after a season that underwhelming. And it’s sad because it really does feel like he can’t quit football when he’s accomplished so much and is much older than the large majority of HOFers when they retire.
It’s crazy to say that because Tom had his first bad year of his career he has to go home. the BUCCS we’re a total team mess from players to coaching, Brady just has to go to a good team to maximize that teams chances on making the Super Bowl.
I remember Tom's first super bowl
It's a shame that he didn't have the protection and run game all year. He led the league in pass attempts and pass completions. 66 pass attempts is an awful lot of throws for ANY QB to throw in a game let alone a 45 year old! Brady does look like he lost weight. You can see it in his face.
There's not a competitive team with a quarterback slot open. Any team Brady can go to needs more time than he likely has left playing to reach the standard. The NFC south is realistically the only division where he can bet on a playoff spot.
@Baltej Bains They got too many options. Doubt management would sell it out for Brady at this point.
@Baltej Bains 49ers don't want Brady and Brock Purdy is the future. Open your eyes ya'll.
9ers potentially still an option. If purdy doesn't work out, but so far he looks good so idk.
It’s time to retire, Tom. All good things come to an end. We all get older. It’s okay, nobody can fight it forever.
@Akali OTP That first pick he had like 7 seconds. He just threw the ball up.
@Pooda97 it is when you average 5 yards a pass. Dak averaged 9.3 last night.
@pol pol He's 45.
@Oh Yeah if Brady was as good as some fanboys think he is he shouldn't have to change teams to be the so-called goat, period.
If Tom comes back to play it should be in Tampa
Coaching is the next best thing, I also enjoy coaching my high school kids as much as I did playing.
Skippp, is breathless today 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣
Tom is in the same boat that Michael Jordan was in in 2002-2003. He had an amazing career, but if he stays in, winning it all just isn't going to happen.
This first lost doesnt effect his greatness!!!
If he was planning on retiring then he would have taken some of those hits. He was saving his body for next season
Brady could have walked those 2 years ago when they won and never look back
I think Brady knows now he can walk awash 🐐
Found it a little funny that announcers kept using the phrase “Brady & Evans just haven’t been on the same page” like it was *always* a group problem. How about at least once or twice it’s just Brady throwing a horrible pass? The little ways they try to protect Brady as much as possible is fascinating. It’s almost subliminal.
Also Evans is a north and south receiver. Have you seen him in and out of cuts? Like he's running in sand lol
So Tom can need more help but Bron can't 🤣 🤣
Man I would love to see Tom talking football with Shannon and Skip
You give Brady devante Adams, a healthy young o line, s running back in top 3 and a leading rusher, plus a defense that’s going to get more chemistry 😮😅 idk that’s scary. He just gotta go through mahomes 2-3 times
@Big HerboYT No he didn't. Hes only faced Brady twice in the play-offs. Google it instead of guessing. He faced him in 2019 with NE, and faced him in 2021 with TB. Its 2-0 Brady.
I mean this is easy to verify with Google, so why are you just guessing.
@David bruh Brady beat him in the afc championship game his first year, the next year he beat Brady in the wild card I think. Then he lost to Brady in the Super Bowl 2-1 Brady
@Big HerboYT When did Mahomes ever beat Brady in the play-offs? They have only faced each other twice, and Brady won both times. He faced NE in 2019 AFC Champ game, Brady won. He faced TB in 2021 SB, Brady won. Brady is 2-0 vs Mahomes in the play-offs.
@Ben10 Rucks exactly
Yeah, give the "goat" the best coach, best O-line, great defense, easy division, top chemistry... and then you will see what he can do, right? Can't you see the irony?
Why would Brady want to join a division with Mahomes, Herbert, and the Broncos looking to prove last season as a fluke? I thought the goal was to atleast make the playoffs.
And the broncos 😂🤣
@Steve Steve the raiders aren't good. fools gold
@Boss Dogg no every qb in history does, get the hate out of your head and comment logically
@Steve Steve No Tom Brady is The Only QB That Get's All The Credit When The Team Wins No Matter What, When He Was Carried By Patriots Defence He Got All The Credit, When Adam Made Last Minute Field Goals Tom Got All The Credit, Brady Never Threw any Last Second TD's For Superbowls. In 2015 Broncos Defense Got Credit Not Peyton Manning, So Brady Getting All The Credit is a Recurring Theme I Thought it Was a Team Sport.
Brady can't play another season of football successfully with anything less than the perfect situation. That would be another Tampa type situation like the one he walked in to a few years ago.
Bruce arians was really missed
They talkin bout they own friendship toward the end
We’re forgetting that Brady should have won mvp last year and was ranked 1 by his colleagues the year before
He’ll be back next year
you're somehow forgetting this year it seems. And unfortunately for tom, time does not flow backwards...
And went 1 and done as well! Bum!
They threw the ball 66 times that is crazy. They treating him like he pat maholmes
Father Time never loses
@Ramon Lovato right how many 40 year old QBs have done what he’s done and sustained. Well into 40s
Idk I think he def beat Father Time he is halfway until 50 lol
@cassandine nope not really
@Roperdope bro Tom Brady is 45 he beat Father Time 5 years ago lol
@cassandine he's out? there is no post to move
Agree with Shanon, Brady’s interception in the end zone was due to him flinching to avoid the hit. He was trying to avoid the hit.
shannon and skip are a back and forth mess 🤣🤣🤣👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿. these guys
It bothers me that he’s still Skip,Skip, Skip after the way he’s been disrespected. You’ve thanked him for the opportunity enough, no more is necessary!
Put any Qb in the league on that Tampa team it would be the same result point blank period. Millions believed that the chiefs would’ve won the superbowl if they had a healthy offensive line, imagine playing behind that for an entire season.
Wait shannon said an 8th ring doesn’t mean anything but lebron breaking a scoring record does??
Reminds me of that scene from Jurrasic Park - 'Where's the goat??!'
I said it at the beginning of the season. He shouldn't have come out of retirement. It's time for him to retired. This season was just sad watching him play. I said it at the beginning of the season and I will say it again, He has nothing left to prove anymore
I want Brady in LV and bring Julio with him! Make a few more moves, would be awesome! I think he wants it too let's go!!!
Brady reminds me of the old guys at the job at retirement age but refuse to retire. Just walking around doing less than bare minimum collecting a check.
If the 49ers fail to make the superbowl or maybe even lose in the superbowl I think they will pursue Brady out of desperation to win it all next season because they're built to win now and I think adding Tom would put them over the top. If the 49ers win the superbowl then they won't go after Brady. I just don't see him going back to the AFC if he returns next season.
Who ever watched wresling see that brady is gonna go out like flair smh
He was runner up MVP last year, lol. Unless you think his arm is gone, they had the same team, more or less, as last year but their offensive production was cut in half and the only major change was... the coach. Deductive reasoning would say something other than he's no longer the guy. But haters gonna.
@Xervello Tbh even Mike seemed a bit off this year, which is painful to say as he's one of my favourite WR's
@Baltej Bains yes but Joe Mixon had a pretty decent year in 2021 - teams have to respect the run = different defensive packages leaving WR's more 1 on 1 matchups. The bucs had 60% of their plays perfectly covered by Dallas for this reason, compare to wildcard avg of 34%. There isn't a pocket passing QB, including Burrows, that would do well against that when your run game is nonexistent and when there's no one to throw to as a result. Are you just arguing to argue for no reason lol.
@Ben10 Rucks Godwin was hurt last year. AB left the last quarter of the season. Gronk was in and out of the lineup with injuries. He just had Mike for the whole year.
@Alex C when the o line is basically swiss cheese that's trying to stop water from a fire hose, the opposing defense doesn't need to commit 4 guys to get to the QB.
@Baltej Bains Not saying what Burrows did wasn't impressive, I'm a fan myself. But Bengals did average 40 more rush yards a game than the Bucs. It helps the QB a lot when the defense knows they can just leave the box empty to cover up the WRs.
Kobe scored 60 in his last game. Doesn’t mean he could have sustained that for a year. Rest in peace Kobe.
The jazz let Kobe score 60 they wasn’t even trying to guard him😂
Does Tom want to play in a division with Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, and the Broncos who already have an elite defense? Imagine if Russ’ uses aren’t there next season and we get more of the old Russ. Does Tom want to try and win that division? Assuming he does does he want to play the Bills or Bengals to try and get to a Superbowl? I don’t think so.
Brady is listed at 6’4 but in tv only looks 6’2 1/2
Tom does a lot of band work 🤣
It happens to every player, they think they can go forever, but time always catches up. Brady should have retired last year, yes he can still play at a high level and better then some younger players but he is at his end.
Now he gots the rest of his life to live very comfortable with and eighteen girl at his side.
He unretired for this?
He needs two more seasons so that'll be 25 seasons- a quarter century!!
Dak choosing the best time to play his best football
@Thebrothaisback what country is that champ?
@Michael Buettner rubbish? Worry about your country and your sports! You guys dont have any skin in our game.
it was the bucs chill
Dak always plays well against teams with losing records...
That's nice. Now he'll run into the buzz saw that is the 49ers. Cowboys luck will run out.
7:57 shannon know what he doing lol