Jack Black has a depth to him we haven’t got to see yet. I think maybe as he grows older he’ll get more interesting parts. He’s good in comedies but I suspect there is so much more to him.
@Ihaveanaxe What I think is regardless of sexual orientation of the viewer, it is nice to see that relationships of a romantic nature can begin differently than simply through desire. Amanda and Iris' relationships were deliberately meant as a foil to each other.
@OdinsSage YES as an asexual person I’m so sick of romances that focus so much on sexual tension. Don’t get me wrong sex is fine I don’t really care, but it’s just so nice to get a break from feeling uncomfortable when I want to root for the relationship
I really loved that the Kate Winslet and Jack Black relationship was so incredibly intimate and yet those scenes didn't end in sex. Nothing against sex, but it's so wonderful to see a man with other priorities who's capable of real vulnerability without a sexual agenda in a movie.
They got some kisses in at the end, but he "got" her, because their scenes took the time to allow him to do that. And together, they really helped another person in Arthur too, so... all in all, was really nice. I watch this movie every year and fast forward Cameron and Jude's scenes because I'm in it for Kate and Jack.
me and my friends watched 'Happiest Season' in our art class yesterday and once the movie ended we were all upset that Abby took Harper back. Harper was awful to her the entire time and then drove to this random gas station that she somehow knew Abby was at and then managed to get her happy ending. We were hoping Abby would end up with Riley, who treated her so much better and never crossed any lines, or to stay single and go home. We were all disappointed by the ending and complained about it for the rest of the afternoon.
Ths whole problem in the movie could've been solved by Harper just telling Abby the truth from the beginning and letting her know she wasn't out vs lying and then telling her 5 mins before she's expected to meet her family that they're just gonna act like "friends. The fact that she didn't give her a choice at that point is super fucked up
For me, the biggest problem with the movie is that Harper doesn't suffer any consequences for how she treated Abby. I think the movie would have improved a lot if Harper had chosen Abby over her family, but by her own decision and not because she was forced to come out.
I'm not saying I can speak for all lesbians as a lesbian myself, but, every lesbian that I've talked to about this movie completely agrees that Abby should have ended up with Riley, especially because there is already so little representation to begin with and no one should be subjugated to that sort of treatment from their partner regardless of the situation.
The Holiday is my favorite Christmas movie and if that's wrong I don't wanna be right. SIDE NOTE the scene where they are at the piano an he says "I also wrote one that sounds like you" and then proceeds to play a beautiful piece of music is in my opinion, the most romantic line in any movie ever.
I completely agree with you about that scene. I get that lump in my throat and cry every time. Oh to be loved and adored like that. He really saw her. My other favourite part of the movie was when Jack/Miles asks her out at the special night with Arthur and Iris replies “I’d love to!” And the look on both their faces is just so beautiful! They are my favourite screen couple. So real with each other and true friends first.
One of the most romantic lines in a movie ever for me is the part in PS I Love You where the main lead is about to hook up with her late husband's friend and she's comparing it to trying on shoes and about how she doesn't know which pair will fit right and his response is "why not go barefoot for a while?" AHHHHHH, I die every time I watch it lol
Kates intro/relationship with ex in The Holiday was a gut shot. It hurt. Like its one of the most brutal scenes I've seen on screen in a romantic movie.
I love how he does the "big romantic gesture" by coming to see her, and she doesn't let herself get caught up in it. I love how she's like, "I deserve more than this."
I saw The Holiday in the theater days after a Brit broke my heart. It should shock literally no one that it hit me hard, and I still don't enjoy the movie.
Alan, I disagree. Jude Law was not lonely. He was grieving. And she did not take advantage of his grief. The amount of betrayal that creeps into the heart when someone dates after losing a partner is maddening, and he is far too young to have lost his partner.
Even though Kate Winslet and Jack Black aren't the first romantic movie couple which springs to mind, but they have such natural chemistry together, that you can't help but root for Iris and Miles to get their own happy ending!
@Coffee Addict I think its cus the flirting was so in your face it felt like it must be ironic or he was just the worse person ever given the girlfriend! So for me when it turned into romance I was "what!, yuck!"
My husband and I started out as strangers who had casual sex that wound up with us dating for 3 years, engaged for 1 year and married for almost 5. So almost 9 years total. Completely happy with a 1 1/2 year old. I'm not saying I recommend the path that we took lol but it does happen some times!
@Liam Lamb tbf they were talking about the drunk part of it all being not ideal, not the relationship starts with casual intimacy part. The complaint there was over the fact hollywood uses it a lot in romances, so more the trope.
As dumb of a movie as The Holiday is, I love it! Seeing Kate Winslet find her strength & leave a toxic situation honestly helped me see my own toxic relationship for what it was. I eventually left my own terrible situation and every time I see this movie, I am encouraged that, even though things are sad and hard now, it can get better if you take steps to lead a healthier life
Yeah, the Iris part put wind in my sails to leave. I mean every time I saw that jerk Jasper taking advantage of her kindness I cursed at my now ex. 😅 Hoping I'll meet someone kind soon. I mean when I heard the tune Miles composed for her I started crying.
I love White Christmas, and my favorite Betty and Bob moment is when she ends their initial argument by actually saying "Since the chance of our meeting again after after this evening is extremely remote, I don't think it's important for us to go on arguing" So rational, so calm... she's also a total hypocrite, but like Johno said she's accountable for it.
@calonkat literally!! he only goes and finds her when he finds out the truth about phil and judy to let her know their engagement was fake. and even when he asks her to get dinner with him to talk things over, and she refuses, he accepts her answer and lets her stay in new york like even though he doesn't understand why she's mad at him, he doesn't push her for answers or "closure" or anything.
And Bob accepts her decisions. He doesn't press the issue, stalk her, try to wear her down. (and he's much more mature in outlook than his character in Holiday Inn).
I would LOVE to see a whole episode about Jack Black and Kate Winslet’s characters in the Holiday, and what they get right. Iris and Miles were always my favourite movie couple. Even just a therapist reacts episode on the Holiday in general- what both couples get right and wrong, and even in the case of Jude Law’s character, what he does and doesn’t get right in the parenting aspect.
Kate and Jack's relationship in the holiday helped me get through a break up in college. What Kate said really hit home. And I would listen to that scene often.
Me too, back in highschool! That moment when she shut the door in Jasper's face is sooo delicious) And I am pretty sure that Jack Black's character set my dating standards way higher for my entire life =) Also, that dialogue isn't stupid, it hits rights in the feels if you know what they're talking about.
I will also add to this group my own appreciation for that "poorly written" monologue. I was in exactly the same situation as Iris/Jasper (a bit worse, actually) when this movie came out and it wasn't until I saw it being played out by other people that it hit home to me how incredibly unhealthy and toxic and utterly debilitating my situation was, and that snapped me out of it just enough that I was able to leave...and not just leave, but stay away forever. It wasn't immediate and took some time to get out, but I fully credit this movie for being the first step of many on the road to safety and healing. Thank you, The Holiday.
I will add to the chorus of how much that monologue hits home for me when I think about a relationship that went particularly sour and how difficult it was to come back to myself from it. The writing is a little sappy but the feeling behind it and Winslet's brilliant performance of it really make it hit.
Being a lesbian who has dated girls in the closet, it is so hard. There's so many grey areas and it really depends on the people involved. But Harper did not do good enough for Abby imo. Also I always watch the Holiday by fast-forwarding Cameron and Jude's story 😂
I rewatch The Holiday every year. I'm not sure if I love Iris and Mile's relationship or Iris's friendship with Arthur more. All three just seem like lovely real people with real issues they are working through and supporting each other with in a genuine way. It makes the Iris/Miles relationship feel a lot more real to me than typical romance movie relationships.
@Sarah Richards Graba Not only that, but Arthur’s encouragement of Iris to watch those old movies with powerhouse leading ladies was truly brilliant. Iris didn’t know how to assert herself, didn’t understand gumption, and didn’t know how to become “the leading lady of [her] own life,” and Arthur couldn’t tell her how. But, he gave her a multitude of examples, and she was able to be influenced by that and really grow as a woman and as a person. It was beautiful ❤️ Also, yes please x1000 to more platonic, healthy, co-ed friendships, and bonuses for intergenerational friendships!
I think Iris's friendship with Arthur is healing her of bad friendships in London as well. We don't know a lot about her friends but the one coworker she talks to in the beginning tells her that she's pathetic... Not exactly good friend material. So once she forms an actual friendship based on love (simultaneously happening with Miles), she can regain her self worth and then enter into a healthy romance. It's really brilliant. I wish there were more co-ed platonic healthy friendship movies. 😂
I love The Holiday (warts and all), and I would love to see you guys do an entire episode on it, talking about self acceptance and standing up for yourself and all the other wonderful things Eli Wallach teaches Kate Winslet.
I can't help it. I love the Holiday movie. You may call it bad writing.. but until you've lived with the whole unrequited love thing for as long as I did (about three times as long as Iris did in the movie) the fact that someone could articulate so clearly what that actually felt like meant everything to me. And Kate and Jack Black's romance are not dissimilar to how I fell for my husband- we became friends first and he supported me at my lowest when he didn't even have to.
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After the new year, I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see a "Therapist Reacts to 'The Intern,'" please please! The couples therapy needs, intergenerational friendship/mentorship, parenting and gender dynamics, ageism in the workplace, all of it! This movie is something my husband and I put on when we need something familiar and comfortable like a warm blanket!
I’m so so happy to find that the comments are echoing my thoughts on The Holiday. It’s my all-time favorite movie. I find the writing relatable and heartwarming and I think Amanda and Graham do just as much genuine work on their relationship as Miles and Iris. Sincerely, a fellow therapist
Oh my gosh. I was just telling my mom how I can no longer hear my dad trying to imitate the "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas", and Jonathan's try was just so damn close I just burst into tears.
So, Alan hated the Holiday but loved the Christmas Prince? I've never been more confused than now. Never mind. The appreciation for the love story with Kate Winslet and Jack Black redeemed this for me.
@Steph E that was actually really well put! Lol I agree. My sister and I watch the Christmas prince every year because it's soooooo freaking bad and we love it 🤣
The holiday is my comfort christmas movie. I love it. Yeah you can argue about the relationship between Cameron's en Jude there characters. But the movie in it self is about different types of relationship, as Iris says in the beginning, love that fades, loves that is lost, unrequited etc. I love that it has aspect to life. And a lot off reality to it, because I know these people and these situations. I felt the same. The people in it are so loveable, like arthur. It makes me feel good seeing this movie🥰❤️ Also Iris her speech is amazing! I have felt this in my core with my ex. And he came back 2 times and just leave. To this day i am still mending for my broken heart. I will get there and maybe one day let someone in again.
When Shona did her little sound at the end, I was genuinely so delighted and endeared. I do that! I make baby veloceraptor noises when I get excited! Thank you for keeping that in. It absolutely made my day!
Usually I really love your videos and your insights! That's why I was excited for this video, also because I saw The Holiday would be in it - one of my absolute favorite movies. And then I found myself nearly screaming with frustration at my screen around two minutes in... I pushed through and watched the whole video but still I'm frustrated. The movie follows the story of two complete different women and thereso different couples but basically it's the "love/lust at first sight" and "friends turned lovers" tropes and to see these two kinds of relationship beginnings makes the movie interesting and fun. To say that a relationship cannot be healthy just because it started with casual sex - no matter how much insight the couple shares with each other afterwards - ok, you're a family therapist Jonathan, I can get your take on this. I don't agree with you though, because I think it doesn't matter so much how a relationship starts (Graham is not that drunk by the way and he totally gives his consent!), it matters what the couple does with it and how they work through things, how they communicate etc. And Amanda and Graham do that, they spend time together, they share laughter, silly and serious, emotional things with each other, they put in the work. I totally don't get Alan's criticism of the dialogue. How is the dialogue in here worse than in A Christmas Prince? I share with you why I'm so defensive: there are two scenes, one with Amanda (talking to a not totally drunk Graham about how she thinks she's bad at the "sexual stuff" because her partners told her she is bad) and one with Iris (where she told Miles how long she held up hope for Jasper to come to his senses and how he used her again and again) and in both scenes the dialogue exactly says what I felt in my toxic relationship in my twentys. Like exactly! The first time I watched this movie I was crying so hard, 'cause I felt totally understood for the first time in just these two scenes. I call that very good writing! But yeah, different people, different opions, I guess.
@JDStar1295 Agreed, Graham may have drunk too much to be able to drive legally (which is why he came over in the first place), but was clearly sober enough to give consent - he recognises straight away that the woman in the cottage is not who he expected (ie. Iris), he apologises for his vulgarity, he remembers where things are in Iris's house, he can hold a perfectly lucid conversation including flirting, he's sober enough to know that the 2nd kiss that Amanda asked for wasn't doing it for her (oh and he was sober enough to make his way safely from the pub to the cottage which, as was made clear, is quite far out in the sticks). And it's not like Amanda was trying to turn him on before asking for consent, so that it's harder to say no. He kisses her first - and then she pulls back and asks very clearly if he would mind doing that again. He does - then she pulls back and asks very clearly if he'd like to have sex, and even says that she's not very good at it. It's like she's almost apologising to him for wanting to have sex. She's my least favourite character in the movie but I'd say she did everything the right way here (Graham even asked if he can come in and then if he can sleep on the couch, it's not like she lured him in!).
@Helga Ioannidis Idk I'm iffy about this becuase - I think it's a really good poiint about ghram being drunk - but he did kiss her first,unprompted, than she asks him do kiss him again and he does and the go back and forth. Then she proposes sex. They also both are very much okay in the morinng. Him being drunk is still iffy, but idk if it would be as much as her takind advantage. idk... Also, the crew mentioned her taking advantage of him becuase he's lonely but, she was also lonely (just as lonely id say) and wasnt aware of his loneliness at so.. idk I think this is not a situation that would be as different roles reveresed as implied... idk
This is interesting. I've always liked the film, but I've never liked Amanda. The reason why I like the movie is Iris and every time I watch it I wish they'd just given much more space to Iris and make Amanda less egocentric. I've also been concerned about Amanda having sex with a person who's visibly drunk and she's just met. The problem is not casual sex, I'm very fine with that. My problem is that she couldn't know if he would have wanted to have sex with her in a sober state. And I agree with the crew, if the genders were reversed, this would not be perceived as "romantic".
I love both The Holiday and Last Christmas. Unashamedly love them. I relate to Iris so much it’s uncomfortable, only I’m not actually brave enough to go out and find my Miles. And the writing in Last Christmas is brilliant. ‘I’m not Career Elf’. ‘You’re weird, this is weird and I don’t know you.’ ‘I don’t have enough tinsel to cover your corpse.’
I feel like I was so on board for all things Cinema Therapy until now....The Holiday is one of my favorite movies!! How can you not like the script?! Such great lines and memorable comedy!
One Christmas movie dynamic I will never get over is The McAllister's and the McAllister adjacent family (the uncle and cousins and such.) Like Kevin is full on bullied and emotionally abused by his family and then blamed for their behaviour and gaslit into thinking it is all his fault and made to be the bad guy for lashing out. Kevin's parents are terrible parent's and his siblings and cousins are also awful people. Like that is a toxic family and household. No wonder Kevin wished them away twice. And the fact that social services didn't have the family on their radar after the first time only for it to happen again is unreal. Kevin is smart and savvy and a victim. He single handedly stops two home invasions and also shows kindness and empathy by reaching out to and befriending people who have been outcast by the society around them in the bird lady and the old guy who is the neighbour (can't remember his name). But like honestly if I were Kevin as soon as I became old enough to leave of my own accord I would get as far away from that family as possible. they feel incapable of changing. okay rant over. Merry Christmas you filthy animals.
Oh, my God! You read my mind down to the last ellipses!!! What you wrote has been my thoughts for the last 32 years! Thank you! Thank you! THANK YOU!!!
29:33 - 29:45 I saw a quote about this a few days ago and it immediately came to mind when you were talking about this, "If you spend your time chasing butterflies, they'll fly away. If you spend your time making a beautiful garden, the butterflies with come to you. And if they don't come, then you still have that garden." It's really deep if you think about it.
Love the Holiday! I didn't think the script was that bad; certainly better than most modern romantic films, though it admittedly still keeps a number of Hollywood tropes and staples. While I like both couples, I can totally understand and see the issues with Amanda and Graham - because yeah, it would be obviously sketchy had the roles been reversed. It's a "sweet in a movie, unhealthy in real life" Hollywood moment. I just appreciate that the Holiday felt like it subverted a lot of cliches that you see in Hallmark and B-rated romcoms. Like Iris' storyline is about finding her self-worth, and though it involves a lot of romantic themes, ultimately the end of her story happens when she finally realizes that the man she loved for years treated her horribly, and that she should treat herself and her life with more integrity. Amanda and Graham's story is much more focused on the romantic relationship, but I liked that with Amanda initially coming out of a long term relationship where her boyfriend cheated on her, she had to learn how to be vulnerable while also finding someone who viewed her more as an equal, which she deserved. Plus Graham being openly emotional and crying at the end was nice to see; he never pretended to be some super tough, closed off guy. (And Jack Black was perfect in the film).
I have a soft spot for that film, but. The story isn't that bad, but THE DIALOGUE. Ugh. Entirely, well, _written._ Only Kate Winslet and Eli Wallach can pull that off as charmingly as they do. :D (And I bet there was a lot of improvisation involved on Jack Black's side, because a lot of his lines did not sound like they were written by the same person. :D )
Happiest Season is a movie I watch every year now since it came out. It means so much to me, especially as a trans woman. Easily one of my top 3 favorite holiday movies. And Shona’s right - if Dan Levy says to do something, you do it!
Last Christmas made me bawl like a freggin' baby! My brother needed an organ transplant when this came out and just knowing that there is a family out there who knows that their child gave us my brother back makes me mist up each time.
As a demisexual person I enjoy the fact that your top couple was a couple that didn't immediately hop into bed with each other then it's true about what you saying sharing small amounts of love is more attractive
@Jaash my bad for not going in depth. I know demisexuality is experienced differently depending on the person, I didn't want to impose how I personally experience it into my comment much. But yes, that's another way of explaining it: you have a deep bond or connection with someone and then and only then is it possible to find them physically attractive. Super barebones way of explaining would probably be you feel nothing for no one (physically or sexually) until you have a deep bond with someone. Again, the way people define that bond depends on the person, but it's typically a bond (based on trust and deep friendship) that takes months to years. You're correct that there's no interest in dating at all until that happens! I will say! Some people will date regardless, as sexual orientation isn't the same as romantic orientation, but that's a whole other convo.
I was wondering if for Couples Therapy ( as like a Halloween episode or something) if you wonderful people could please cover Nick and Amy Dune form Gone Girl? I think an analysis of their relationship would make for a fascinating conversation
I watched White Christmas last night I love how Bing has to work for Rosemary. Usually in his movies, he shows up like "I got these eyes, this voice, you want me" but not in White Christmas.
The Holiday is one of my favorite holiday movies exclusively for Jack Black and Kate Winslet. Jack Black is such a good romantic lead here and you never would've thought the two of them had chemistry at first but it is 🔥🔥🔥 Also loved Shona, she was a fabulous guest!
What came after "he's rich because he's loved" was brillant. Enjoyed so much of this but that was the best... but how does Harper/Abby get that high on the list when what we see of their relationship is so messed up?
You guys should review Last Holiday with Queen Latifah. It is _by far_ my favorite Christmas movie as a pagan witch. It's just so wholesome and encouraging. All about being yourself with everyone and showing enthusiasm and kindness to those around you. It shows that you can rock people's entire fucking world just by being a good person in a bad situation. Plus, Queen Latifah's acting is always so, so good. That woman is my bias and she's so talented between her acting, rapping, singing, just being amazing...
I had loved Kate Winslet before, but The Holiday - the silly movie that it is - really drove it home what a great actress she is (that was before Mildred Pierce and Mare of Easttown): she was so lovable and charming and relatable as Iris. Maybe it's because her character was just a regular woman going through stuff that most of us go through, it was easy to see how comfortably she inhabits that role. When she arrived in LA and couldn't contain her joy at being in such a beautiful house I kept thinking: yes, that's _exactly_ how I would behave too. And when she finally shows the door to the guy who was using her and then just checked herself for a moment to see if she was _actually_ happy about him being gone, before she proceeded to whoop for joy: that was perfect!
"And so he is legitimately who he presents to be. But it's not because he just like, arrived." Cut-to: "Giselle!" Another instance of lovin' your style, editor. Another good laugh out of that one.
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God I just love Bob and Betty. They’re so realistic in their personality consistencies, how they communicate. When I was a kid I remember having such strong feelings about them as a couple and to this day it still tugs at me.
Even Aubrey Plaza thinks that Abby should have ended up with her character Riley in "Happiest Season." Although it's understandable for Harper to be reluctant to come out to her ultra Conservative parents, she still threw her own girlfriend under the bus repeatedly, and still managed to get a happy ending.
@Stephanie Turner What bugs me was it was made by a lesbian so I feel like they should have known better. I liked aspects of it but the family was just awful. It was upsetting to see Mary Steenburgen in that role. BTW, I know a Stephanie Turner (haven't seen her in years). Pretty sure you aren't them. 🤓
I'm vastly disappointed "Happiest Season" wasn't dissected in its own video. Because there are so many problems that need to be discussed. Harper was a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE partner throughout this whole movie. It was a complete showing of how not to act in a relationship. I can understand why they stayed together because they were in a serious relationship beforehand. But considering this was the only exposure we had to their relationship, their interactions in this movie, and therefore the movie itself, were very hard to watch. Harper gaslit, dismissed and abused Abby in this entire movie. And yet. We are supposed to somehow be OK with that because Harper made some sweeping gesture at the end. My. God. Uhh. I just only hope that another, *better*, lesbian-focused Christmas movie gets made. A positive love story between two women is desperately needed.
@KimcheeX , I just watched "The Holiday Sitter" and loved it so much. It took some of the good elements of "Single All the Way" but elevated the concept. It also made the side characters have lives and motivations outside of urging the main potential couple to get together (which I felt like every side character did in "Single All the Way." Like seriously. Go back and watch it, and pay more attention to the side characters' lines and how they show up in the movie. They have zero lives outside of focusing on the main two characters). Also, you actually get to see the two men fall in love and make a genuine connection, which made the overall movie more impactful and made me feel more excited when they got together in end.
I think is more about talking to your partner about your family relations is very important for me. Family dynamics are different and can be non existent in many cases specially for LGTBQ+ . But why it never came up in that strong relationship is what messes me up about this movie. Not once in their long loving relationship this issue came up? It is very weird to me... but at the end is a romcom so we need to solve this in 1-2 hrs lol
I watched Single All The Way recently and I thought it was really cute how the two main characters knew eacother really well, were in a healthy relationship, but just needed to accept their feelings and transition to being more than friends. The one guy's family are SUPER meddling but the situation is very relatable. Definitely worth and episode on! 💗🎅
I love this and completely agree with every point you make! Could you please include the 90ies movie 'While you were sleeping' with Sandra Bullock? It has a really ridiculous plot, but the characters feel so real, the dialogue is amazing and the falling in love feels real as well! And it's also funny!! Iove that movie
Thank you :) I love this episode! Especially the last couple :) I am a Chriso-pagan so I wish you a Merry Christmas, a blessed Winter Solstice ( summer solstice in southern hemisphere), happy holidays for anyone who reads this comment who is celebrating a different holiday this season, and a great start to the New Year to you and all your loved ones! Anyone here celebrating another holiday this season? Which one?
I honestly love The Holiday, it’s the only Christmas romance movie I like, although your criticisms are valid 😂 I like the themes of self-love throughout with Iris’s storyline
@neonjinn I’ve always figured your example 1) was a reference to her original relationship, where they hadn’t had sex for months, (and Graham responds with “which is why I always say it’s better to have it”-if they hadn’t already done it, that would’ve been some uncool boundary pushing and pressure 🤷🏻♀️) and I thought 2) was just him being like “well, you’re leaving tomorrow and that sucks, so let’s see if we can figure out some long-distance thing because you’re great” or something to that effect. I can see where you’d have your assumption though! And I do want to clarify, I just rewatched the movie tonight (with some “Christmas fettuccine” of my own to match Amanda and Iris/Miles ☺️), and I was mistaken, the “I thought I was just someone you had sex with once and slept with twice” line came after Amanda showed up at his place and met his girls. She was basically saying, “oh right, this was a casual thing, so I sort of get why you hid the fact that you are a single dad from me”.
@Julia Wagoner 2 things: 1) After their 'get to know each other' date Amanda says "Sex makes everything complicated; even when you're not having it..."; 2) on her last night after they had sex, Graham said "Okay, so- you're great" like he hadn't had the experience before. Hence my assumption, though I admit I could have misunderstood.
@neonjinn Good catch in remembering that she had been drinking too. While I do think they had casual sex, I disagree about the idea that she took advantage of him. They both agreed to it. They'd both been drinking earlier in the evening. And if we're honest she is slightly more vulnerable than him in that she isolated in a country that is not her own after undergoing a break up (which was her whole reason for her getaway) and is in all likelihood I toxicated herself. Then a strange and drunken man drops in on her unexpectedly. For all she knew, he could have been a serial killer.
Yeah, it's a comfort movie of mine, and has been for years. And while iris and miles are prob my favourite couple out of the two, I don't hate Amanda and Graham either. They started in an unhealthy place, both of them, but just like with the other pair, I think the relationship they stumbled into helped them grow. I think both relationships mirror each other nicely
@neonjinn I like your attitude, but they *did* have casual sex after they discussed it that first night. After the second night of getting completely bombed and "call me old fashioned, but one does not have sex with someone who is unconscious," they talk about going out and genuinely getting to know one another because "I thought I was just someone you had sex with once and slept with twice." This shows they did sleep together that first night, soooo it is technically how they started.
“In Hollywood, that’s the only way you fall in love.” Thank you, Jono, for capturing one of my core problems with romcoms (I love the genre, but let’s not kid ourselves, it’s got some garbage tropes). I genuinely feel like stuff like this is what has influenced so many people, without them knowing it, to prefer dating total strangers, and trying to build a relationship on hooking up, rather than people they know and trust. Not saying this sort of thing doesn’t happen, and that it can’t work out, but still
I'd really love you to do The Big Year sometime. Some interesting relationships in that one (romantic, family, friendship) and a very unique plot! Also pretty dang good cast (Jack Black, Steve Martin, Owen Wilson, Dianne Wiest and others).
Would love to hear Jonathan's take on the holiday classic, "Just Friends." Plenty of sound relationship advice in there, like "forgiveness is more than saying sorry." :)
Dude Jack Black and Kate Winslet are a beautiful match in "The Holiday" and I feel like they should do another one. Please be in another movie together ❤️
Last Christmas physically broke me. I literally went through a depressive episode after that movie. As soon as you said the title I prepared for tears. THEY DESERVED A HAPPY ENDING.
Can you also do one one day on family relationships in Christmas movies? I feel like the "Ugh I don't want to go home to see my family, we only ever communicate when we annoy each other enough to finally fight" thing is a common trope from Xmas movies but it also feels like the most accurate to my family's weird dynamic.
I was just hoping last week that you guys would cover the holiday. It’s one of my favorite movies. I watch it all year round because I find it comforting and funny. Kate Winslet’s opening monologue is the best part of it all.
My Dad was a combat veteran and we loved to watch this movie... both White Christmas scenes made my dad cry every time. The first because he remembered what it's like to be in a war zone at Christmas and the 2nd because his "navy buddies" were his longest and closest friends.
Recently I been thinking on what kind of relationship I want. And I suddenly recalled the #1 couple you chose and felt like they really got it right. Both very natural, open and respectful to each other. Plus I like his personality, it is easy to admire him! So nice you picked them as #1 🥰🥰🥰
If you haven’t done the movie About Time with Rachel McAdams, I would love to see you analyze it. You get to see so many relationship dynamics, healthy couples, unhealthy couples, friendship, father and son, and siblings. It’s one of my favorite romance movies for that reason.
Absolutely!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE! I love Domhall Gleason and Bill Nighy (both of whom I find very attractive, bc I guess I too need therapy) , and they are both amazing in this film. I also see so much of myself in Rachel Mcadams’ character, and seeing her, with all her flaws, build a genuinely happy, healthy, and passionate marriage with her hot tall Weasley brother gave me hope for my own relationships, since I want marriage but didn’t have a lot of good examples of that around me as a kid.
It's a shame that they didn't talk about the other couple in White Christmas. I really wanted to see what they thought about their relationship and planned engagement to get the first couple together.
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@Mina'sMagic it may even be that they never had it to begin with since they put out content about therapy but they themselves lack accountability i don't get why people are going so soft on them, they need to be called out more harshly
@Dom I'm really starting to believe this. There were comments about these sponsorships on previous videos and rather than address it, these dudes appear to be doubling down. I can't personally speak to the difficulty of KZclip as a profession, however I know of quite a few professional KZcliprs who manage to make a living while being discerning about who they shill for. It's rather disappointing to see the internet dads sacrifice their integrity...or maybe they never had it to begin with...
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I’m glad Shona guest starred and should again. I enjoyed her insight and agree that The Holiday is a classic Christmas romcom and one of the best I’ve seen. I didn’t realize how toxic Ashley and Graham were, partially due to the double standard, but they for sure rushed into a relationship. On the other hand, Iris and Miles are one of the best on screen couples and definitely the best from a Christmas romcom. Happy holidays! ❤
Filled with Christmas spirit 🤗 we need more John Cusack though. Vouching for him in the romance just to see if you guys feel the way me and my mom do about him !! Serendipity , soo surprised it's not mentioned more! Love the magic of it all 💞 merry holidays
Alan and John were really good in this one, but the editing made me laugh so hard so many times. God, I love whoever the editors are, cause they do some fantastic work.
We need more Hanukkah rom coms. I mean, we need more Hanukkah/non-Christian holiday rep in general, but it could be fun to see the couple light a menorah candle together or see their S/O bonding with each other’s family.
There was a Hallmark movie where this guy is really enthusiastic about Christmas (the idea of it) because he's Jewish, and the family he's with for Christmas decides to incorporate Hanukkah into their own traditions for Christmas, and it's kinda sweet. Though I agree, we need more assorted holiday movies: Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, etc.
You should watch "Hanukkah on Rye!" It's a new Hallmark romcom that's amazing. It centralizes the Jewish holiday experience in a meaningful way, not as some random diversity checkpoint in a predominantly Christmas movie.
I love The Holiday, even though it's really cheesy and a fantasy, because I think it gives really good advice : "recognize when your relationship is toxic and leave it", "take risks after a loss because you need to start building your life again", "being old is not being half-dead", "humor is great but don't forget to be authentic too", "don't put your partner on a pedestal", "let yourself be vulnerable once in a while because that's the way you create real bonds" and especially "choose the partner who likes you for you, who you like for them, and who does not use you".
I love Happiest Season, and it's great in terms of "Happy Christmas Movie Endings" but I personally would _not_ have taken Harper back 💀 I'm on my way to a dentist appointment right now though, so I'll elaborate later
I MIGHT have, but I would’ve set the condition that we take it very slow from there to get back to where we were emotionally in our relationship. And, I would’ve requested we do some couples counseling to work through the issue as well. I think there’s a valid argument to be made for either side of the argument in terms of Harper and Abby getting back together. I’m glad they did, and I liked how the movie wrapped up, but I do also know in real life, there would’ve been some stuff to work on between Harper and Abby in between them getting back together, and getting engaged
Sigh… Happiest Season… As a woman who dates women, I love the representation of how scary and messy it is coming out, and what that can look like from a partner’s perspective. I related to Harper so much, but when she started actively hurting the ones she loved without ever drawing a single boundary she lost all respect from me (and a lot of queer people). To set a boundary you don’t have to come out, but she could have communicated to her parents that they can’t control her, or at least defended Abby (ya know without being threatened with a break up) and hello! Not framed her as a charity case?! Not to mention the immediate lie at the beginning, where she fully manipulated Abby into agreeing to hide everything when there almost already there (Abby also had no escape either :/ ). Harper was just not mature enough for this kind of relationship. Harper never really gets how bad she is either? At the end there’s a glimmer, but everything she does is so self serving. Even when she goes after Abby at the end it is to preserve her own happiness. They weren’t together that long, Abby is totally alone except for the fish (RIP) and Dan Levy, and based off the way Harper treated Abby at the first test of their relationship… idk. She was so toxic, in a really real way that was so triggering 😅 Plus! Aubrey Plaza is RIGHT THERE! Looking perfect in navy. IDK if it is just me (or rather me and all of my friends who agree) but we’d ditch the gf for Riley 😂
The very premise sounds off to me... What kind of business can possibly stay profitable if each of their products takes "several years" to make in such exhaustive detail?
Me and my Girlfriend watched Last Christmas, thinking, hey! Let's finally sit down and do a romantic movie! Didn't want to get spoiled, didn't look it up etc. We were enjoying it, and then the twist hit us like a truck. We are still devastated about it to this day, oh, that hurt! In the end it's a beautiful movie about herself and her own growth as a person. But man, we were not ready for the feels of that one.
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The Holiday is one of the only films to realize Jack Black was an actual romantic lead and not just comedy relief.
Jack Black has a depth to him we haven’t got to see yet. I think maybe as he grows older he’ll get more interesting parts. He’s good in comedies but I suspect there is so much more to him.
Yeah, I much preferred that relationship of the two ro.anvea in the film, it just seemed like it had so much more substance.
@Ihaveanaxe What I think is regardless of sexual orientation of the viewer, it is nice to see that relationships of a romantic nature can begin differently than simply through desire. Amanda and Iris' relationships were deliberately meant as a foil to each other.
@OdinsSage YES as an asexual person I’m so sick of romances that focus so much on sexual tension. Don’t get me wrong sex is fine I don’t really care, but it’s just so nice to get a break from feeling uncomfortable when I want to root for the relationship
In my opinion, great character that really represents the female gaze. Most people just want a guy who’s respectful and cute
I really loved that the Kate Winslet and Jack Black relationship was so incredibly intimate and yet those scenes didn't end in sex. Nothing against sex, but it's so wonderful to see a man with other priorities who's capable of real vulnerability without a sexual agenda in a movie.
They got some kisses in at the end, but he "got" her, because their scenes took the time to allow him to do that. And together, they really helped another person in Arthur too, so... all in all, was really nice. I watch this movie every year and fast forward Cameron and Jude's scenes because I'm in it for Kate and Jack.
This^.. There is nothing sexier than maturity and confidence like that. That's how you make a successful relationship ☺
me and my friends watched 'Happiest Season' in our art class yesterday and once the movie ended we were all upset that Abby took Harper back. Harper was awful to her the entire time and then drove to this random gas station that she somehow knew Abby was at and then managed to get her happy ending. We were hoping Abby would end up with Riley, who treated her so much better and never crossed any lines, or to stay single and go home. We were all disappointed by the ending and complained about it for the rest of the afternoon.
Ths whole problem in the movie could've been solved by Harper just telling Abby the truth from the beginning and letting her know she wasn't out vs lying and then telling her 5 mins before she's expected to meet her family that they're just gonna act like "friends. The fact that she didn't give her a choice at that point is super fucked up
For me, the biggest problem with the movie is that Harper doesn't suffer any consequences for how she treated Abby. I think the movie would have improved a lot if Harper had chosen Abby over her family, but by her own decision and not because she was forced to come out.
I'm not saying I can speak for all lesbians as a lesbian myself, but, every lesbian that I've talked to about this movie completely agrees that Abby should have ended up with Riley, especially because there is already so little representation to begin with and no one should be subjugated to that sort of treatment from their partner regardless of the situation.
Yeah I was surprised to see that couple so high. Harper was terrible and not at all someone that should be seen as an ideal mate.
The Holiday is my favorite Christmas movie and if that's wrong I don't wanna be right. SIDE NOTE the scene where they are at the piano an he says "I also wrote one that sounds like you" and then proceeds to play a beautiful piece of music is in my opinion, the most romantic line in any movie ever.
It was a pretty decent, even with it's problems. Kate and Jack stole the show yo
I completely agree with you about that scene. I get that lump in my throat and cry every time. Oh to be loved and adored like that. He really saw her. My other favourite part of the movie was when Jack/Miles asks her out at the special night with Arthur and Iris replies “I’d love to!” And the look on both their faces is just so beautiful! They are my favourite screen couple. So real with each other and true friends first.
I know, right?! That scene made me cry. I love this film!
One of the most romantic lines in a movie ever for me is the part in PS I Love You where the main lead is about to hook up with her late husband's friend and she's comparing it to trying on shoes and about how she doesn't know which pair will fit right and his response is "why not go barefoot for a while?" AHHHHHH, I die every time I watch it lol
Me too! And I agree, it is just the sweetest.
Kates intro/relationship with ex in The Holiday was a gut shot. It hurt. Like its one of the most brutal scenes I've seen on screen in a romantic movie.
@Kayla Bear thats not really relevant to what happened in the movie. Thats like comparing something irl to a dream you had.
If I’m not mistaken, Kate actually dated him previously in real life too.
I love how he does the "big romantic gesture" by coming to see her, and she doesn't let herself get caught up in it. I love how she's like, "I deserve more than this."
I saw The Holiday in the theater days after a Brit broke my heart. It should shock literally no one that it hit me hard, and I still don't enjoy the movie.
Alan, I disagree. Jude Law was not lonely. He was grieving. And she did not take advantage of his grief. The amount of betrayal that creeps into the heart when someone dates after losing a partner is maddening, and he is far too young to have lost his partner.
Wife. Partners just shack up.
With two kids!
Even though Kate Winslet and Jack Black aren't the first romantic movie couple which springs to mind, but they have such natural chemistry together, that you can't help but root for Iris and Miles to get their own happy ending!
Jack Black got game 😂
Agreed. I was rooting for them through the whole film.
Zero chemistry, zero. Love them both, but together - dudsville.
@Coffee Addict I think its cus the flirting was so in your face it felt like it must be ironic or he was just the worse person ever given the girlfriend! So for me when it turned into romance I was "what!, yuck!"
Ready to fight Alan over The Holiday, too. 😂 One of my favorite romcoms, let alone Christmas romcom. I’ll watch it any time of year. 😭
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I’m right beside you!! It’s definitely one of my favorite movies! I think it’s super sweet ❤
My husband and I started out as strangers who had casual sex that wound up with us dating for 3 years, engaged for 1 year and married for almost 5. So almost 9 years total. Completely happy with a 1 1/2 year old. I'm not saying I recommend the path that we took lol but it does happen some times!
@Liam Lamb tbf they were talking about the drunk part of it all being not ideal, not the relationship starts with casual intimacy part. The complaint there was over the fact hollywood uses it a lot in romances, so more the trope.
Yes, I disagree that it's an unhealthy way to start a relationship. Everyone is different and different things work for different people.
It does work out that way for a lot of people
As dumb of a movie as The Holiday is, I love it! Seeing Kate Winslet find her strength & leave a toxic situation honestly helped me see my own toxic relationship for what it was. I eventually left my own terrible situation and every time I see this movie, I am encouraged that, even though things are sad and hard now, it can get better if you take steps to lead a healthier life
Yeah, the Iris part put wind in my sails to leave. I mean every time I saw that jerk Jasper taking advantage of her kindness I cursed at my now ex. 😅
Hoping I'll meet someone kind soon. I mean when I heard the tune Miles composed for her I started crying.
I love White Christmas, and my favorite Betty and Bob moment is when she ends their initial argument by actually saying "Since the chance of our meeting again after after this evening is extremely remote, I don't think it's important for us to go on arguing" So rational, so calm... she's also a total hypocrite, but like Johno said she's accountable for it.
@calonkat literally!! he only goes and finds her when he finds out the truth about phil and judy to let her know their engagement was fake. and even when he asks her to get dinner with him to talk things over, and she refuses, he accepts her answer and lets her stay in new york like even though he doesn't understand why she's mad at him, he doesn't push her for answers or "closure" or anything.
And Bob accepts her decisions. He doesn't press the issue, stalk her, try to wear her down. (and he's much more mature in outlook than his character in Holiday Inn).
I would LOVE to see a whole episode about Jack Black and Kate Winslet’s characters in the Holiday, and what they get right. Iris and Miles were always my favourite movie couple. Even just a therapist reacts episode on the Holiday in general- what both couples get right and wrong, and even in the case of Jude Law’s character, what he does and doesn’t get right in the parenting aspect.
Now if someone would make a movie with Jack Black and Kate Winslet as the leads, playing out their character stories. Yes.🥰🥰
Kate and Jack's relationship in the holiday helped me get through a break up in college. What Kate said really hit home. And I would listen to that scene often.
Me too, back in highschool! That moment when she shut the door in Jasper's face is sooo delicious) And I am pretty sure that Jack Black's character set my dating standards way higher for my entire life =) Also, that dialogue isn't stupid, it hits rights in the feels if you know what they're talking about.
@Israel Soto Salcido 27.32 minute mark
what minute can I find that part?
I will also add to this group my own appreciation for that "poorly written" monologue. I was in exactly the same situation as Iris/Jasper (a bit worse, actually) when this movie came out and it wasn't until I saw it being played out by other people that it hit home to me how incredibly unhealthy and toxic and utterly debilitating my situation was, and that snapped me out of it just enough that I was able to leave...and not just leave, but stay away forever. It wasn't immediate and took some time to get out, but I fully credit this movie for being the first step of many on the road to safety and healing. Thank you, The Holiday.
I will add to the chorus of how much that monologue hits home for me when I think about a relationship that went particularly sour and how difficult it was to come back to myself from it. The writing is a little sappy but the feeling behind it and Winslet's brilliant performance of it really make it hit.
Being a lesbian who has dated girls in the closet, it is so hard. There's so many grey areas and it really depends on the people involved. But Harper did not do good enough for Abby imo.
Also I always watch the Holiday by fast-forwarding Cameron and Jude's story 😂
Wha!? I love The Holiday 😭 It feels really solidly written and enjoyable and feel-good
I rewatch The Holiday every year. I'm not sure if I love Iris and Mile's relationship or Iris's friendship with Arthur more. All three just seem like lovely real people with real issues they are working through and supporting each other with in a genuine way. It makes the Iris/Miles relationship feel a lot more real to me than typical romance movie relationships.
@Julia Wagoner Intergenerational friendships are one of the most underrated types of relationships in Hollywood and that makes me sad😭
@Sarah Richards Graba Not only that, but Arthur’s encouragement of Iris to watch those old movies with powerhouse leading ladies was truly brilliant. Iris didn’t know how to assert herself, didn’t understand gumption, and didn’t know how to become “the leading lady of [her] own life,” and Arthur couldn’t tell her how. But, he gave her a multitude of examples, and she was able to be influenced by that and really grow as a woman and as a person. It was beautiful ❤️ Also, yes please x1000 to more platonic, healthy, co-ed friendships, and bonuses for intergenerational friendships!
I think Iris's friendship with Arthur is healing her of bad friendships in London as well. We don't know a lot about her friends but the one coworker she talks to in the beginning tells her that she's pathetic... Not exactly good friend material. So once she forms an actual friendship based on love (simultaneously happening with Miles), she can regain her self worth and then enter into a healthy romance. It's really brilliant. I wish there were more co-ed platonic healthy friendship movies. 😂
I love The Holiday (warts and all), and I would love to see you guys do an entire episode on it, talking about self acceptance and standing up for yourself and all the other wonderful things Eli Wallach teaches Kate Winslet.
I can't help it. I love the Holiday movie. You may call it bad writing.. but until you've lived with the whole unrequited love thing for as long as I did (about three times as long as Iris did in the movie) the fact that someone could articulate so clearly what that actually felt like meant everything to me. And Kate and Jack Black's romance are not dissimilar to how I fell for my husband- we became friends first and he supported me at my lowest when he didn't even have to.
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@Petra W Nope. They haven't done either.
The Holiday is a must-watch every year for me, and I've always been so disappointed Jack Black didn't do more roles like that.
In my opinion "I wrote a song that sounds like you... I used only the good notes" is one of the most romantic moments in movie history
After the new year, I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see a "Therapist Reacts to 'The Intern,'" please please! The couples therapy needs, intergenerational friendship/mentorship, parenting and gender dynamics, ageism in the workplace, all of it! This movie is something my husband and I put on when we need something familiar and comfortable like a warm blanket!
I love that movie too! Honestly has Robert De Niro ever been in a bad movie?!? The friendship/mentorship between him and her is so beautiful.
YES!! This would be a perfect one to do on this channel!! Okay, thank you for the reminder, I need to go watch that again.
Love that movie
I love that film!
@Christina Andriani I’m about to start asking for that video on every future one that comes out until I see it happen 🤣
I’m so so happy to find that the comments are echoing my thoughts on The Holiday. It’s my all-time favorite movie. I find the writing relatable and heartwarming and I think Amanda and Graham do just as much genuine work on their relationship as Miles and Iris. Sincerely, a fellow therapist
Oh my gosh. I was just telling my mom how I can no longer hear my dad trying to imitate the "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas", and Jonathan's try was just so damn close I just burst into tears.
Cinema 🌠Therapy🌠❤💖 much peace and love to you my friend. Merry Christmas!
So, Alan hated the Holiday but loved the Christmas Prince? I've never been more confused than now. Never mind. The appreciation for the love story with Kate Winslet and Jack Black redeemed this for me.
Legit that's what the movie is about. It's cute but eh, his opinion. Can't say much lol
thank you xD
@Steph E When I heard about the movie, made by Lucas, that he wanted to erase from existence, I just had to watch it. I found it here on KZclip.
so many chirsmas prince and princess undercover movies exist
@Steph E that was actually really well put! Lol I agree. My sister and I watch the Christmas prince every year because it's soooooo freaking bad and we love it 🤣
The holiday is my comfort christmas movie. I love it. Yeah you can argue about the relationship between Cameron's en Jude there characters. But the movie in it self is about different types of relationship, as Iris says in the beginning, love that fades, loves that is lost, unrequited etc. I love that it has aspect to life. And a lot off reality to it, because I know these people and these situations. I felt the same. The people in it are so loveable, like arthur. It makes me feel good seeing this movie🥰❤️
Also Iris her speech is amazing! I have felt this in my core with my ex. And he came back 2 times and just leave. To this day i am still mending for my broken heart. I will get there and maybe one day let someone in again.
When Shona did her little sound at the end, I was genuinely so delighted and endeared. I do that! I make baby veloceraptor noises when I get excited! Thank you for keeping that in. It absolutely made my day!
Usually I really love your videos and your insights! That's why I was excited for this video, also because I saw The Holiday would be in it - one of my absolute favorite movies. And then I found myself nearly screaming with frustration at my screen around two minutes in... I pushed through and watched the whole video but still I'm frustrated. The movie follows the story of two complete different women and thereso different couples but basically it's the "love/lust at first sight" and "friends turned lovers" tropes and to see these two kinds of relationship beginnings makes the movie interesting and fun. To say that a relationship cannot be healthy just because it started with casual sex - no matter how much insight the couple shares with each other afterwards - ok, you're a family therapist Jonathan, I can get your take on this. I don't agree with you though, because I think it doesn't matter so much how a relationship starts (Graham is not that drunk by the way and he totally gives his consent!), it matters what the couple does with it and how they work through things, how they communicate etc. And Amanda and Graham do that, they spend time together, they share laughter, silly and serious, emotional things with each other, they put in the work. I totally don't get Alan's criticism of the dialogue. How is the dialogue in here worse than in A Christmas Prince? I share with you why I'm so defensive: there are two scenes, one with Amanda (talking to a not totally drunk Graham about how she thinks she's bad at the "sexual stuff" because her partners told her she is bad) and one with Iris (where she told Miles how long she held up hope for Jasper to come to his senses and how he used her again and again) and in both scenes the dialogue exactly says what I felt in my toxic relationship in my twentys. Like exactly! The first time I watched this movie I was crying so hard, 'cause I felt totally understood for the first time in just these two scenes. I call that very good writing! But yeah, different people, different opions, I guess.
@JDStar1295 Agreed, Graham may have drunk too much to be able to drive legally (which is why he came over in the first place), but was clearly sober enough to give consent - he recognises straight away that the woman in the cottage is not who he expected (ie. Iris), he apologises for his vulgarity, he remembers where things are in Iris's house, he can hold a perfectly lucid conversation including flirting, he's sober enough to know that the 2nd kiss that Amanda asked for wasn't doing it for her (oh and he was sober enough to make his way safely from the pub to the cottage which, as was made clear, is quite far out in the sticks). And it's not like Amanda was trying to turn him on before asking for consent, so that it's harder to say no. He kisses her first - and then she pulls back and asks very clearly if he would mind doing that again. He does - then she pulls back and asks very clearly if he'd like to have sex, and even says that she's not very good at it. It's like she's almost apologising to him for wanting to have sex. She's my least favourite character in the movie but I'd say she did everything the right way here (Graham even asked if he can come in and then if he can sleep on the couch, it's not like she lured him in!).
@Helga Ioannidis Idk I'm iffy about this becuase - I think it's a really good poiint about ghram being drunk - but he did kiss her first,unprompted, than she asks him do kiss him again and he does and the go back and forth. Then she proposes sex. They also both are very much okay in the morinng. Him being drunk is still iffy, but idk if it would be as much as her takind advantage. idk... Also, the crew mentioned her taking advantage of him becuase he's lonely but, she was also lonely (just as lonely id say) and wasnt aware of his loneliness at so.. idk I think this is not a situation that would be as different roles reveresed as implied... idk
@Kelsi Lund did she push him away?
I mean, people can't consent to activities while under the influence... (and sober people should act accordingly)
This is interesting. I've always liked the film, but I've never liked Amanda. The reason why I like the movie is Iris and every time I watch it I wish they'd just given much more space to Iris and make Amanda less egocentric.
I've also been concerned about Amanda having sex with a person who's visibly drunk and she's just met. The problem is not casual sex, I'm very fine with that. My problem is that she couldn't know if he would have wanted to have sex with her in a sober state. And I agree with the crew, if the genders were reversed, this would not be perceived as "romantic".
@Kelsi Lund 👏
I love both The Holiday and Last Christmas. Unashamedly love them. I relate to Iris so much it’s uncomfortable, only I’m not actually brave enough to go out and find my Miles. And the writing in Last Christmas is brilliant. ‘I’m not Career Elf’. ‘You’re weird, this is weird and I don’t know you.’ ‘I don’t have enough tinsel to cover your corpse.’
I feel like I was so on board for all things Cinema Therapy until now....The Holiday is one of my favorite movies!! How can you not like the script?! Such great lines and memorable comedy!
One Christmas movie dynamic I will never get over is The McAllister's and the McAllister adjacent family (the uncle and cousins and such.) Like Kevin is full on bullied and emotionally abused by his family and then blamed for their behaviour and gaslit into thinking it is all his fault and made to be the bad guy for lashing out. Kevin's parents are terrible parent's and his siblings and cousins are also awful people. Like that is a toxic family and household. No wonder Kevin wished them away twice. And the fact that social services didn't have the family on their radar after the first time only for it to happen again is unreal. Kevin is smart and savvy and a victim. He single handedly stops two home invasions and also shows kindness and empathy by reaching out to and befriending people who have been outcast by the society around them in the bird lady and the old guy who is the neighbour (can't remember his name). But like honestly if I were Kevin as soon as I became old enough to leave of my own accord I would get as far away from that family as possible. they feel incapable of changing. okay rant over. Merry Christmas you filthy animals.
Oh, my God! You read my mind down to the last ellipses!!! What you wrote has been my thoughts for the last 32 years! Thank you! Thank you! THANK YOU!!!
Wow, and I thought Kevin was in the wrong. Turns out I was
29:33 - 29:45
I saw a quote about this a few days ago and it immediately came to mind when you were talking about this, "If you spend your time chasing butterflies, they'll fly away. If you spend your time making a beautiful garden, the butterflies with come to you. And if they don't come, then you still have that garden." It's really deep if you think about it.
The "My magic sex will fix broken boy" reference had me falling out of my chair.
Love the Holiday! I didn't think the script was that bad; certainly better than most modern romantic films, though it admittedly still keeps a number of Hollywood tropes and staples. While I like both couples, I can totally understand and see the issues with Amanda and Graham - because yeah, it would be obviously sketchy had the roles been reversed. It's a "sweet in a movie, unhealthy in real life" Hollywood moment. I just appreciate that the Holiday felt like it subverted a lot of cliches that you see in Hallmark and B-rated romcoms. Like Iris' storyline is about finding her self-worth, and though it involves a lot of romantic themes, ultimately the end of her story happens when she finally realizes that the man she loved for years treated her horribly, and that she should treat herself and her life with more integrity. Amanda and Graham's story is much more focused on the romantic relationship, but I liked that with Amanda initially coming out of a long term relationship where her boyfriend cheated on her, she had to learn how to be vulnerable while also finding someone who viewed her more as an equal, which she deserved. Plus Graham being openly emotional and crying at the end was nice to see; he never pretended to be some super tough, closed off guy. (And Jack Black was perfect in the film).
I have a soft spot for that film, but. The story isn't that bad, but THE DIALOGUE. Ugh. Entirely, well, _written._ Only Kate Winslet and Eli Wallach can pull that off as charmingly as they do. :D (And I bet there was a lot of improvisation involved on Jack Black's side, because a lot of his lines did not sound like they were written by the same person. :D )
Happiest Season is a movie I watch every year now since it came out. It means so much to me, especially as a trans woman. Easily one of my top 3 favorite holiday movies. And Shona’s right - if Dan Levy says to do something, you do it!
Last Christmas made me bawl like a freggin' baby! My brother needed an organ transplant when this came out and just knowing that there is a family out there who knows that their child gave us my brother back makes me mist up each time.
As a demisexual person I enjoy the fact that your top couple was a couple that didn't immediately hop into bed with each other then it's true about what you saying sharing small amounts of love is more attractive
Some Jonathan Decker Lore™️for you. John describes himself as demisexual on the Mended Light channel in a video about sex drive differences.
@Graham Damberger IT'S ABOUT THE PINNING.
@Jaash my bad for not going in depth. I know demisexuality is experienced differently depending on the person, I didn't want to impose how I personally experience it into my comment much. But yes, that's another way of explaining it: you have a deep bond or connection with someone and then and only then is it possible to find them physically attractive.
Super barebones way of explaining would probably be you feel nothing for no one (physically or sexually) until you have a deep bond with someone. Again, the way people define that bond depends on the person, but it's typically a bond (based on trust and deep friendship) that takes months to years. You're correct that there's no interest in dating at all until that happens!
I will say! Some people will date regardless, as sexual orientation isn't the same as romantic orientation, but that's a whole other convo.
@Lisa H arnt you only purpetuating the stigma you dislike then
I know it's not an xmas movie but please do the movie About Time! It's got so many relationships in it from really bad to really good
I was wondering if for Couples Therapy ( as like a Halloween episode or something) if you wonderful people could please cover Nick and Amy Dune form Gone Girl?
I think an analysis of their relationship would make for a fascinating conversation
I watched White Christmas last night I love how Bing has to work for Rosemary. Usually in his movies, he shows up like "I got these eyes, this voice, you want me" but not in White Christmas.
The Holiday is one of my favorite holiday movies exclusively for Jack Black and Kate Winslet. Jack Black is such a good romantic lead here and you never would've thought the two of them had chemistry at first but it is 🔥🔥🔥
Also loved Shona, she was a fabulous guest!
I would love to see While You Were Sleeping on a list like this. I didn't see half these movies, but I came for White Christmas. Best Christmas movie!
I love that movie, one of the best holiday RomComs!
I immediately think of the kdrama While You Were Sleeping 😂 haven’t watched the movie yet
Y'all forgot the best Christmas relationship of all time, Marv and Harry!
@MossyMozart yes
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@WhiteDawg25 - Are those the "Home Alone" characters?
My favorite bromance before I even knew the term bromance!
Exactly! I'm gonna go look for edits of that now-
Having Shona and her energy there just MADE this. More please.
The Holiday is far superior to Last Christmas IMHO
I'd like them to eventually watch My Big Fat Greek Wedding. It's the only romcom I can stomach, and it's a healthy relationship!
What came after "he's rich because he's loved" was brillant. Enjoyed so much of this but that was the best... but how does Harper/Abby get that high on the list when what we see of their relationship is so messed up?
There are so many Christmas RomComs. Bridget Jones should also count as a Christmas RomCom. It starts in one Christmas and ends in another.
You guys should review Last Holiday with Queen Latifah. It is _by far_ my favorite Christmas movie as a pagan witch. It's just so wholesome and encouraging. All about being yourself with everyone and showing enthusiasm and kindness to those around you. It shows that you can rock people's entire fucking world just by being a good person in a bad situation. Plus, Queen Latifah's acting is always so, so good. That woman is my bias and she's so talented between her acting, rapping, singing, just being amazing...
I had loved Kate Winslet before, but The Holiday - the silly movie that it is - really drove it home what a great actress she is (that was before Mildred Pierce and Mare of Easttown): she was so lovable and charming and relatable as Iris. Maybe it's because her character was just a regular woman going through stuff that most of us go through, it was easy to see how comfortably she inhabits that role. When she arrived in LA and couldn't contain her joy at being in such a beautiful house I kept thinking: yes, that's _exactly_ how I would behave too. And when she finally shows the door to the guy who was using her and then just checked herself for a moment to see if she was _actually_ happy about him being gone, before she proceeded to whoop for joy: that was perfect!
Perfect😊
This episode was so fun to watch! Thank you all! :D
"And so he is legitimately who he presents to be. But it's not because he just like, arrived." Cut-to: "Giselle!" Another instance of lovin' your style, editor. Another good laugh out of that one.
Just FYI, might wanna drop the Kamikoto sponsorship. They flat-out lie about their "Japanese steel." Check the steel grading; it's literally equivalent to the cheap knives you pick up from Walmart. The company is run by the same company behind Established Titles, and have been sued for scamming customers in the past for other companies they've made.
As an aroace, watching you rank romances is always so much fun
God I just love Bob and Betty. They’re so realistic in their personality consistencies, how they communicate. When I was a kid I remember having such strong feelings about them as a couple and to this day it still tugs at me.
Even Aubrey Plaza thinks that Abby should have ended up with her character Riley in "Happiest Season." Although it's understandable for Harper to be reluctant to come out to her ultra Conservative parents, she still threw her own girlfriend under the bus repeatedly, and still managed to get a happy ending.
@Stephanie Turner What bugs me was it was made by a lesbian so I feel like they should have known better. I liked aspects of it but the family was just awful. It was upsetting to see Mary Steenburgen in that role. BTW, I know a Stephanie Turner (haven't seen her in years). Pretty sure you aren't them. 🤓
I'm vastly disappointed "Happiest Season" wasn't dissected in its own video. Because there are so many problems that need to be discussed. Harper was a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE partner throughout this whole movie. It was a complete showing of how not to act in a relationship. I can understand why they stayed together because they were in a serious relationship beforehand. But considering this was the only exposure we had to their relationship, their interactions in this movie, and therefore the movie itself, were very hard to watch. Harper gaslit, dismissed and abused Abby in this entire movie. And yet. We are supposed to somehow be OK with that because Harper made some sweeping gesture at the end. My. God. Uhh. I just only hope that another, *better*, lesbian-focused Christmas movie gets made. A positive love story between two women is desperately needed.
@KimcheeX , I just watched "The Holiday Sitter" and loved it so much. It took some of the good elements of "Single All the Way" but elevated the concept. It also made the side characters have lives and motivations outside of urging the main potential couple to get together (which I felt like every side character did in "Single All the Way." Like seriously. Go back and watch it, and pay more attention to the side characters' lines and how they show up in the movie. They have zero lives outside of focusing on the main two characters). Also, you actually get to see the two men fall in love and make a genuine connection, which made the overall movie more impactful and made me feel more excited when they got together in end.
I think is more about talking to your partner about your family relations is very important for me. Family dynamics are different and can be non existent in many cases specially for LGTBQ+ . But why it never came up in that strong relationship is what messes me up about this movie. Not once in their long loving relationship this issue came up? It is very weird to me... but at the end is a romcom so we need to solve this in 1-2 hrs lol
I thought this was a really toxic relationship and was actually expecting her to leave with Aubrey Plaza (sorry can't remember any character's names).
I watched Single All The Way recently and I thought it was really cute how the two main characters knew eacother really well, were in a healthy relationship, but just needed to accept their feelings and transition to being more than friends. The one guy's family are SUPER meddling but the situation is very relatable. Definitely worth and episode on! 💗🎅
Come on, I LOVE "the Holiday"!!! It's in my top 3 RomComs ever! Number one might be "Crazy, stupid, love" 😍
I love this and completely agree with every point you make! Could you please include the 90ies movie 'While you were sleeping' with Sandra Bullock? It has a really ridiculous plot, but the characters feel so real, the dialogue is amazing and the falling in love feels real as well! And it's also funny!! Iove that movie
Thank you :) I love this episode! Especially the last couple :) I am a Chriso-pagan so I wish you a Merry Christmas, a blessed Winter Solstice ( summer solstice in southern hemisphere), happy holidays for anyone who reads this comment who is celebrating a different holiday this season, and a great start to the New Year to you and all your loved ones! Anyone here celebrating another holiday this season? Which one?
I wanna hear their thoughts on the secret life of Walter Mitty the only ben Stiller movie I like. it's a therapists goldmine🐼
I honestly love The Holiday, it’s the only Christmas romance movie I like, although your criticisms are valid 😂 I like the themes of self-love throughout with Iris’s storyline
@neonjinn I’ve always figured your example 1) was a reference to her original relationship, where they hadn’t had sex for months, (and Graham responds with “which is why I always say it’s better to have it”-if they hadn’t already done it, that would’ve been some uncool boundary pushing and pressure 🤷🏻♀️) and I thought 2) was just him being like “well, you’re leaving tomorrow and that sucks, so let’s see if we can figure out some long-distance thing because you’re great” or something to that effect. I can see where you’d have your assumption though!
And I do want to clarify, I just rewatched the movie tonight (with some “Christmas fettuccine” of my own to match Amanda and Iris/Miles ☺️), and I was mistaken, the “I thought I was just someone you had sex with once and slept with twice” line came after Amanda showed up at his place and met his girls. She was basically saying, “oh right, this was a casual thing, so I sort of get why you hid the fact that you are a single dad from me”.
@Julia Wagoner 2 things: 1) After their 'get to know each other' date Amanda says "Sex makes everything complicated; even when you're not having it..."; 2) on her last night after they had sex, Graham said "Okay, so- you're great" like he hadn't had the experience before. Hence my assumption, though I admit I could have misunderstood.
@neonjinn Good catch in remembering that she had been drinking too. While I do think they had casual sex, I disagree about the idea that she took advantage of him. They both agreed to it. They'd both been drinking earlier in the evening. And if we're honest she is slightly more vulnerable than him in that she isolated in a country that is not her own after undergoing a break up (which was her whole reason for her getaway) and is in all likelihood I toxicated herself. Then a strange and drunken man drops in on her unexpectedly. For all she knew, he could have been a serial killer.
Yeah, it's a comfort movie of mine, and has been for years. And while iris and miles are prob my favourite couple out of the two, I don't hate Amanda and Graham either. They started in an unhealthy place, both of them, but just like with the other pair, I think the relationship they stumbled into helped them grow. I think both relationships mirror each other nicely
@neonjinn I like your attitude, but they *did* have casual sex after they discussed it that first night. After the second night of getting completely bombed and "call me old fashioned, but one does not have sex with someone who is unconscious," they talk about going out and genuinely getting to know one another because "I thought I was just someone you had sex with once and slept with twice." This shows they did sleep together that first night, soooo it is technically how they started.
“In Hollywood, that’s the only way you fall in love.” Thank you, Jono, for capturing one of my core problems with romcoms (I love the genre, but let’s not kid ourselves, it’s got some garbage tropes). I genuinely feel like stuff like this is what has influenced so many people, without them knowing it, to prefer dating total strangers, and trying to build a relationship on hooking up, rather than people they know and trust. Not saying this sort of thing doesn’t happen, and that it can’t work out, but still
"That's because you're stupid and you've failed at everything you've tried." This is the kind of straight talk I need from a therapist! 😆
I'd really love you to do The Big Year sometime. Some interesting relationships in that one (romantic, family, friendship) and a very unique plot! Also pretty dang good cast (Jack Black, Steve Martin, Owen Wilson, Dianne Wiest and others).
"I build you up because I see you."
It is a powerful thing to bring to a relationship.
Would love to hear Jonathan's take on the holiday classic, "Just Friends." Plenty of sound relationship advice in there, like "forgiveness is more than saying sorry." :)
Please Internet Dads :)
Dude Jack Black and Kate Winslet are a beautiful match in "The Holiday" and I feel like they should do another one. Please be in another movie together ❤️
Last Christmas physically broke me. I literally went through a depressive episode after that movie. As soon as you said the title I prepared for tears. THEY DESERVED A HAPPY ENDING.
I love Emma Thompson as an actor! You two need to do a video on "Good Luck, Leo Grande". Such a good movie and so well done.
Oh she’s so great
Can you also do one one day on family relationships in Christmas movies? I feel like the "Ugh I don't want to go home to see my family, we only ever communicate when we annoy each other enough to finally fight" thing is a common trope from Xmas movies but it also feels like the most accurate to my family's weird dynamic.
I was just hoping last week that you guys would cover the holiday. It’s one of my favorite movies. I watch it all year round because I find it comforting and funny. Kate Winslet’s opening monologue is the best part of it all.
My Dad was a combat veteran and we loved to watch this movie... both White Christmas scenes made my dad cry every time. The first because he remembered what it's like to be in a war zone at Christmas and the 2nd because his "navy buddies" were his longest and closest friends.
I just watched "It's a Wonderful Life" for the first time last night and if it was on this list, George and Mary would DEFINITELY be top on my list.
A beautiful relationship! Just got back from the movies watching it with the family. Turns out it was my cousin’s first time watching it too!
yees! I love their courtship especially, it's so funny and different.
@Cinema Therapy I know. Your video is fantastic as well. Happy Holidays!
It's a beautiful film and relationship. ❤️ We actually did a whole episode about it a couple years ago! kzclip.org/video/ZWhPl80IS_s/бейне.html
Recently I been thinking on what kind of relationship I want. And I suddenly recalled the #1 couple you chose and felt like they really got it right. Both very natural, open and respectful to each other. Plus I like his personality, it is easy to admire him! So nice you picked them as #1 🥰🥰🥰
Yay! We did good!
I could literally watch White Christmas all year long if I had the chance…. It’s so good!
I absolutely love Kate Winslett's and Jack Black's love story. That is what I want, the true friend, first that grows to love.
Não mas lágrimas se formaram nos meus olhos quando o homem começou a cantar meu Deus???????
Thanks for everything you do in this channel, you genuinely make me happy with every video you upload. THANK YOU❤❤🙏
You’re so welcome! Thanks for watching! 😊
If you haven’t done the movie About Time with Rachel McAdams, I would love to see you analyze it. You get to see so many relationship dynamics, healthy couples, unhealthy couples, friendship, father and son, and siblings. It’s one of my favorite romance movies for that reason.
Pleaseeeee love about time
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Absolutely!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE! I love Domhall Gleason and Bill Nighy (both of whom I find very attractive, bc I guess I too need therapy) , and they are both amazing in this film. I also see so much of myself in Rachel Mcadams’ character, and seeing her, with all her flaws, build a genuinely happy, healthy, and passionate marriage with her hot tall Weasley brother gave me hope for my own relationships, since I want marriage but didn’t have a lot of good examples of that around me as a kid.
That easily became one of my favorite movies ever! And i never thought i could love a rom-com that much.
Yes!!
Miles and Iris are one of my favourite realistic movies couples! I am so happy this is the no. 1 couple!
Happiest Season has some amazing family dynamics and would make for an amazing family therapy episode
The sheer utter glee on Alan's face at announcing he made everyone watch A Christmas Prince HAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
My favorite part of The Holiday is the friendship between Iris the elderly neighbor.
It's a shame that they didn't talk about the other couple in White Christmas. I really wanted to see what they thought about their relationship and planned engagement to get the first couple together.
Just to let you guys know, those Kamikoto knives have been discovered to be a bit of a scam and an untrustworthy company, so it's probably not a good idea to have them as a sponsor (other channels have found this out and stopped their sponsorships)
@Mina'sMagic it may even be that they never had it to begin with since they put out content about therapy but they themselves lack accountability
i don't get why people are going so soft on them, they need to be called out more harshly
@Dom I'm really starting to believe this. There were comments about these sponsorships on previous videos and rather than address it, these dudes appear to be doubling down. I can't personally speak to the difficulty of KZclip as a profession, however I know of quite a few professional KZcliprs who manage to make a living while being discerning about who they shill for. It's rather disappointing to see the internet dads sacrifice their integrity...or maybe they never had it to begin with...
it is the job of the creators to do the research on sponsors they accent, and many including cinema therapy don’t care about their viewers to not promote shady companies
I kind of share your feelings on the choice of sponsorships.
@Oshroth it actually got worse again, which means betterhelp is just not trustworthy
I’m glad Shona guest starred and should again. I enjoyed her insight and agree that The Holiday is a classic Christmas romcom and one of the best I’ve seen. I didn’t realize how toxic Ashley and Graham were, partially due to the double standard, but they for sure rushed into a relationship. On the other hand, Iris and Miles are one of the best on screen couples and definitely the best from a Christmas romcom. Happy holidays! ❤
I love her energy! Please bring this guest back!
Filled with Christmas spirit 🤗 we need more John Cusack though. Vouching for him in the romance just to see if you guys feel the way me and my mom do about him !! Serendipity , soo surprised it's not mentioned more! Love the magic of it all 💞 merry holidays
I love Shona, such a great personality to have on the show! 💗
Alan and John were really good in this one, but the editing made me laugh so hard so many times. God, I love whoever the editors are, cause they do some fantastic work.
The X files theme when referencing Alan’s kink 😂
We need more Hanukkah rom coms. I mean, we need more Hanukkah/non-Christian holiday rep in general, but it could be fun to see the couple light a menorah candle together or see their S/O bonding with each other’s family.
There was a Hallmark movie where this guy is really enthusiastic about Christmas (the idea of it) because he's Jewish, and the family he's with for Christmas decides to incorporate Hanukkah into their own traditions for Christmas, and it's kinda sweet.
Though I agree, we need more assorted holiday movies: Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, etc.
@Leah Right? And not in October, and without any reference to the Wicker Man!
(Also, as I was typing “man” my autosuggest wrote “Mabon” 🤣)
@Dawn Davidson A cheesy romance featuring a Wiccan/pagan couple that’s not horror would be awesome
You should watch "Hanukkah on Rye!" It's a new Hallmark romcom that's amazing. It centralizes the Jewish holiday experience in a meaningful way, not as some random diversity checkpoint in a predominantly Christmas movie.
I'm Jewish so this sounds awesome, but I'd really love a Festivus romcom too
So excited for this guest! I love Shona in several very cheesy romances, and especially as Emma.
I love The Holiday, even though it's really cheesy and a fantasy, because I think it gives really good advice : "recognize when your relationship is toxic and leave it", "take risks after a loss because you need to start building your life again", "being old is not being half-dead", "humor is great but don't forget to be authentic too", "don't put your partner on a pedestal", "let yourself be vulnerable once in a while because that's the way you create real bonds" and especially "choose the partner who likes you for you, who you like for them, and who does not use you".
I love Happiest Season, and it's great in terms of "Happy Christmas Movie Endings" but I personally would _not_ have taken Harper back 💀 I'm on my way to a dentist appointment right now though, so I'll elaborate later
I MIGHT have, but I would’ve set the condition that we take it very slow from there to get back to where we were emotionally in our relationship. And, I would’ve requested we do some couples counseling to work through the issue as well. I think there’s a valid argument to be made for either side of the argument in terms of Harper and Abby getting back together. I’m glad they did, and I liked how the movie wrapped up, but I do also know in real life, there would’ve been some stuff to work on between Harper and Abby in between them getting back together, and getting engaged
Sigh… Happiest Season… As a woman who dates women, I love the representation of how scary and messy it is coming out, and what that can look like from a partner’s perspective.
I related to Harper so much, but when she started actively hurting the ones she loved without ever drawing a single boundary she lost all respect from me (and a lot of queer people). To set a boundary you don’t have to come out, but she could have communicated to her parents that they can’t control her, or at least defended Abby (ya know without being threatened with a break up) and hello! Not framed her as a charity case?! Not to mention the immediate lie at the beginning, where she fully manipulated Abby into agreeing to hide everything when there almost already there (Abby also had no escape either :/ ). Harper was just not mature enough for this kind of relationship.
Harper never really gets how bad she is either? At the end there’s a glimmer, but everything she does is so self serving. Even when she goes after Abby at the end it is to preserve her own happiness. They weren’t together that long, Abby is totally alone except for the fish (RIP) and Dan Levy, and based off the way Harper treated Abby at the first test of their relationship… idk. She was so toxic, in a really real way that was so triggering 😅
Plus! Aubrey Plaza is RIGHT THERE! Looking perfect in navy. IDK if it is just me (or rather me and all of my friends who agree) but we’d ditch the gf for Riley 😂
Bring Shona back again. She is a delight.
@Cinema Therapy Woot woot!
She will definitely be back!
Careful guys, Kamikoto has already been outed as a scam. Chinese knives, not Japanese.
The very premise sounds off to me...
What kind of business can possibly stay profitable if each of their products takes "several years" to make in such exhaustive detail?
Oh nyo 😹
@Felix Henson right? Every time I saw the ad I kept thinking, "how can people believe this? Buying a title and land?" Lol
@Johan svensson please check scott shafers video's!
And heavily overpriced
The way when Allen was reviewing the knives he IMMEDIATELY called for Megan to show her😂😂😂
Me and my Girlfriend watched Last Christmas, thinking, hey! Let's finally sit down and do a romantic movie! Didn't want to get spoiled, didn't look it up etc. We were enjoying it, and then the twist hit us like a truck. We are still devastated about it to this day, oh, that hurt! In the end it's a beautiful movie about herself and her own growth as a person. But man, we were not ready for the feels of that one.
The best couple from The Holiday. Seriously, Jack Black’s character was just such a good person for her.