Since a lot of people are asking about the Far From Home finale, two things we factored in but didn't expressly write into the episode: 1. Across BOTH MCU movies, Peter's use of the Spider Sense is inconsistent, just like the other Spidermen. Writers tend to "forget" that it exists when they need to put Spider-Man in danger, and so sure, Tom Holland ends the movie having "mastered" the sense, but we have no evidence that he'll be able to continue using it from this point forward (and we guessed he probably won't, because it'll make him too OP if he can predict EVERY move headed his way). We have to go by what we've seen...and his sense up until the end of FFH hasn't been great. 2. Yes, he "masters" the Spider Sense at the end, but is it giving him faster reactions times? He's able to SEE THROUGH THE ILLUSIONS of Mysterio...which helps him avoid bullets and avoid the gun...but his REACTION TIME is still on par with the other Spidermen (at least when it comes to avoiding LOTS of bullets, which they all can do). It gave him better intuition. So again, largely a wash when compared to the other portrayals of the character. Don't get me wrong...Tom Holland is my FAVORITE Spider-Man. But FFH didn't give us the confidence that the Spider Sense was that much better than anyone else's. As such, when it comes to power set, in our estimation, Miles in Spiderverse still wins. But like I said, it's a theory. There are TONS of ways to analyze the question. I'm really enjoying reading everyone's thoughts on the issue -- keep 'em coming!
I would argue that he didn't "see through" the illusions, but rather that he was responding to the attacks regardless of his sensory perception of the threat (or lack of sensory perception), which is something the Spider Sense has done several times across the Tom Holland and Tobey Maguire versions (maybe also Amazing, I never saw the second one and don't care to rewatch the first), and which is supposed to be how it works in the first place.
@Isn’t it funny? that's venom powers edit and that's only in the miles Morales game I'm not sure but I thinks so anyway itsxalongctime since I watchedxthe movie
I just realized something, the Peter B. Parker in "into the spider verse" has mechanical web shooters and not organic. So its not technically the same guy
Also, his logic is just plain flawed when he's using that "fight" at the end to say Miles beats Tobey and Tom. He measured the first 3 Spideys in their prime, declared that Peter B. is just automatically a perfect stand-in for Tobey (incorrect), who he in turn just declared a perfect stand-in for Tom because he got the same overall score (also incorrect), then used Miles' inexperience to hand-wave Peter B's poor condition so he could make the claim that a hypothetical, more experienced Miles must be better than prime Peter B, and, by the transitive property, Tobey and Tom as well. It COULD happen, but you can't just basically say, "This kid shows a lot of promise," and then act like that one potential future that you jumped through hoops to extrapolate is already a concrete reality. I get that these are meant to be fun, and he wanted an exciting last-minute twist, but he should've actually put Miles through the same tests as everyone else using solid, measurable feats that he has actually achieved, not ones he might eventually reach. This is all without even mentioning that it's not like he beat Peter B. in some no holds barred death match. That fight was really just the two of them both trying to step up and help each other, with neither one wanting to hurt the other. Miles didn't want Peter to die as a result of staying in his universe, but Peter was worried that Miles wasn't ready to do the job himself and felt like the other Spiders all had more right and reason to go home and live than he did because of guilt and fear left by his past failures (his horrible mental state is also worth considering when trying to just use him as a catch-all measuring stick, because the guy is a total wreck). It was really more of a test than anything. It was Miles proving to Peter that he'd be okay on his own. As soon as Miles proved himself ready and convinced Peter that it was worth it for him to take that leap, go back home and try again, Peter just stopped and let himself be dropped into the portal. It doesn't necessarily mean that he couldn't have beaten Miles senseless or even killed him if that had been the goal.
@your mother Well, he got bit. Most Spider people do, but Tobey is the only one referenced in this video confirmed to make their own organic webbing. That's not typical for Peter Parker, but some others like Spider-Man 2099, aka Miguel O'Hara, do.
He has the same backstory as toby but he has web shooters??? This also confused me but maybe he's just a spider man from a different universe so he's a lot like toby but the only change is he never got bit and decided to make his own web shooters
Mat: "I don't think having shock-proof webbing would be that important in a spider man battle" Tom Peter: I have a shock webbing type Miles: I literally have a shock ability
You forgot to mention that in homecoming the MCU’s Spider-Man used Tony’s spidey-suit, meaning Tony could have put something in the suit to reduce the strain when he keeps the ferry together, after all he did add lots of new technology (Karen is an example since she is the humanoid voice that listens to Peter’s commands)
Could Tom win after his no way home feats? I thought maybe him keeping the cube away from strange when his soul left his body was due to his spider sense, so that may give him an edge over tobey in agility
@Glaxi yeah he was shaking and tom seemed somewhat hesitant and he got his ribs and nose broken by green goblin earlier and we can see he was still in pain but he was able to keep up with tobey and andrew
@nikox Tom was fighting a more stronger, more intense goblin then the goblin then Tobey fought. You could see the difference in strength compared to the two from nwh and spiderman 1. Alot of people say this to make Tobey win, but never really seeing how much stronger and psychotic green goblin was. Plus Tobey was also hurt and had to try in the movie, it wasn't just him not struggling, they both struggled a lot.
Technically if you were to include the games, there might be a change because of the fighting styles shown from Peter and miles, Peter is more professional and has a sense of better feetwork, fighting, and skillful when doing standard missions, not only that, but he also as a final boss defeated the sinister six which is extremely hard for JUST one person, unluckily though, you still lose aunt may. Even in the dlc’s you seem to learn to travel and fight and unlock cool stuff throughout the game making your Peter who’s been at this job for 9 years even more superior. Miles on the other only trains a few months (I can’t quite remember), this also shows all of of his learning process of his skills, if you look at the way miles moves, he does things that are in his own styles yet not as professional, he doesn’t quite execute many things nearly as well as Peter. Now it is hard to look at how these two compare due to the fact that Peter doesn’t show up for almost the entire game, and miles doesn’t nearly fight as tough of a final boss for which he only has one person he must beat. Now some may talk about the beginning scene of which Peter could’ve died but miles only does the light work for most of the battle until you actually fight Rhino, of which the battle has a pretty easy pattern to follow unlike his new form later in the game. Anyways, I love Spider-Man, I just wanted to put some more consideration into this battle Royale because their could be maybe a different winner if these games were included.
Interesting that you pulled in another contender at the end and declared him the winner without saying anything about his strength, webs, or agility and Spider-Sense.
Well I don't think adding another 10minutes just to examine one more Spiderman would be smart. More editing. More time to watch. But really i dont think it's that bad we trust him
Miles got a way easier chance at winning this competition because he didn’t have to go through all the categories. MatPat just said that he did really good in one battle and boom he wins. Not saying he wouldn’t win if he was tested in all the categories but you never know.
Exactly! If it had been a competition from the beginning of all four Tom and Toby would likely not have come out as tied either. My guess would be: Strength, web, agility Tom: 4, 4, 3 = 11 Toby: 3, 2, 2 = 7 Andrew: 1, 1, 1 = 3 Miles: 2, 3, 4 = 9
For some strange reason, nobody ever acknowledges the scene from the end of Spider-Man 2, where Peter holds up the giant metal wall, then proceeds to THROW IT over his head. I feel like that is a considerable feat of strength that just get's flat out ignored by everyone
@Cignux it’s simple math to see how fast the train was going, even if something is pulling it the speed is still the same and decelerating at the same rate
@Dominic Sitto the feat that tobey did i spiderman 2 at the end is stronger than tom's feats the reason i say that is the youtuber crisis said that feat was city block+ level since the sun that doc ock made was pulling things from the city and from that close it would be insane
You said that electricity wouldn't be important in a Spider-Man Battle Royale, but surely it would if you're counting Miles Morales as he has electrical powers
In the no way home movie, we saw how octavius manhandled tom's spiderman with ease, while tobey's spiderman was able to swap hands with ock and managed to free himself from ock's grasp which tom's spiderman could not do. About the webbing, although tom's peter has 576 different types of webs, he just uses the good old regular ones and his web is limited. Also the web Wings is something for gliding in the air, which is very restrictive during a one on one fight, and swinging is faster. Also, Tobey's peter has natural webs and is unlimited. Coming to the last part, although I Can't deny that miles could be stronger than peter, It should be noted that Tobey's pete and Peter.B.Parker are not the same person or someone similar. They are waay different, Peter.B. Parker seems retired and is out of shape, but managed to keep up with the other spidermen with just his experience. Peter. B. Parker is out of shape, depressed, hobo, broke up with MJ, failed in buisness, Whilst tobey's pete seems to be doing well with his life, and has the unlimited webbing.
I wonder if the portrayal of Spider-Sense in NWH takes Toms score up a notch, given that he’s now canonically the only Spider-Man to actually have near-premonitions of future events as opposed to a heightened awareness of one’s surrounding or a slower perception of time.
@typeOU et co Tf you mean " can't hold it for long " He didn't hold it for even a little bit , don't mention the several webs he used before cuz that's not a strength feat . When he tried with pure strength he couldn't hold it for even a little bit and it's shown .
@raimi all powerful Dude, you know how much force that ferry is exerting on Tom Holland? 15.696.000 newtons of force! It takes about 30.000 newtons for a average human to be split in half, and we're talking about 15 million! That makes Tom Holland 500 times more durable than The average human being.
This man may have confirmed Spider Man battle royal premise three years before the second Into the Spider Verse movie was confirmed. If the trailers show what we think it shows, we might see a similar situation to what Mat Pat's doing here.
About the boat vs the train scene, you gotta remember how much webbing they used to complete the hold. Tom Spiderman had to use over a hundred to do it for 6 seconds and still fail. Tobey Spider-Man only used 14 to bring the train to a COMPLETE stop without outside help. Remember the webbing in homecoming is taking 90%of the ACTUAL strain of the act here, unlike Spider-Man 2 where Tobey Spiderman is the complete anchor holding the webbing to get the strain to stop. So 10% is 3100000 for 6 seconds which is still pretty impressive.
with no way home and infinity war, we know tom holland’s sense is more of his head telling him to move or that theres something dangerous near. in infinity war, the reason he was the most scared while blipping was because his head was screaming at him that there was danger, but peter didn’t know what it was and how to stop it.
I feel like ham has a chance though, his confrontation with the live actions would go one of two ways. Either the wacky cartoon logic applies and ham is guarenteed the win or because hams in the real world he plays by it’s rules, in which case the other spidermen will be serving him up for dinner
@Hijacked I feel like that's a weak feat. He didn't dodge the bullet, he moved the gun right before Mysterio pulled the trigger, that's a good example of reaction time but it isn't a great example of Spidey sense
@Typhoonis88 well in his comment respond to the comments about tom holland's spider sense from far from home he didn't say anything about the video being made before far from home sooooooooooo
It's just so funny sometimes that how film theorist interprets all this details strength, speed etc from the movies but I am pretty sure while making the movies the directors were only thinking about the story and gave Spidey strength and speed based on convince and what they wanted fr that scene
Peter Parker’s night monkey suit didn’t have anything special about it. It was just to make him look different from his regular Spider-Man suit so his friends didn’t figure out he was Spider-Man. So you could use the night monkey suit if you wanted. 😂🤣
Well now we know that Tobey’s Spider-Man is actually stronger than Tom’s Spider-Man because of the Scene in No way home where Tom’s Peter is super mad and angry and isn’t holding back and starts to strike the Glider down at Norman AKA the green goblin and Tobey stops him until he calms down and puts the glider down.
DragonEyeGaming You can’t just ignore the facts even if it is unfair. Tobey and Andrew are adult Spider-Men yet Peter was #1 for most of the competition. Clearly Miles’ webshooters would be about equal to Andrews. It doesn’t matter the situation MatPat should’ve done the 3 points.
Godfrey Yu Agreed. Scientific method whom?? Also, how do we know that just because Spiderverse Peter Parker went through similar experiences, he’s equally strong?
I'd like to also add the fact that Tobey's endurance is High. Really High. Like he took so many hit in the spiderman trilogy. Especially in the first in the last fight againtest The Green goblin. He even took a Goblin Grenade to the head. (Which literary vaporizes oraganing matter. Let alone 2 inche away) He also got hit by a train and swung right back.
I'd say after now way home tom's spider sense helped him out a ton in that first green goblin encounter, he could sense something was wrong a decent length of time before norman actually changed
It wasn't before he changed, it was the goblin pretending to be Norman. At least that's what I understood. Goblin managed to fool everybody else but Peters spider sense tipped him off, then when Peter webbed him up goblin decided to drop the norman act.
To be fair the Spider Man going against Miles wasn't trying to hurt him or try and throw down. They just kept throwing each other away and running to stop the machine. It's a bit unfair to say that Spider Man was TOTALLY trying there.
In spiderman far from home he clearly is much better at his "peter-tingle" than the amazing spiderman would ever be because unlike the others, he doesn't even need vision.
7:47, you failed to mention at the beginning of the amazing spider man film, while Andrew's Peter was at Ozcorp, there is a small detail on a screen telling that webs have the capability to pull a plane with one string- granted said string could be huge compared to the average web shooter, however I'm sure in the infinite wisdom of Spiderman, he could make such an adjustment
For Tom Holland's Spider Sense I would think the civil war scene is a better display. Peter lands on a pipe, while Cap throws his shield at him. Almost instantly Peter reacts: "Oh god" and he quickly jumps away.
It feels kinda weird that Tom Holland’s spider man won in such a landslide of the first two but loss the last. The scoring system is feeling def funky.
In NWH, I think the strength of Tom Holland's spider sense is heavily supported. 1. In Spider-verse, the Spider sense is represented by these little squiggles around the Spider-Man's head. When Strange pushes Peter out of his physical body, you can see those same squiggles around his head (they're a bit hard to see because they're clear, but you can see them). It allows him to dodge Strange insanely quickly. I like to think this is his spider sense is at his best because his soul (his emotions, his hesitation, ect.) is separated from his actual physical body. It's like Jarvis from Age of Ultron. He was stopping Ultron from obtaining nuclear codes without even knowing it. He still *existed* as a program but his intelligence was "killed" or "dismantled" per se. It's the same for Tom. His intelligence was separated from his body but his reflexes, his "spider sense" is still in his fully functioning brain. 2. In another scene where Tom is working on the cure for Green Goblin, his spider sense is obviously warning him about something, but as explained in Homecoming, Tom has trouble focusing. Especially against multiple people (I think). His spider sense is warning him constantly about threats but it's hard for him to focus on which one is most important. It's why his suits eyes are the way they are. They're like binoculars in a way. In No Way Home, it's obvious he detects the threat. It's clear that his spider sense is working, but he's in a room full of super villains. He can't tell where it's coming from until he closes his eyes and focuses on it entirely. I think the reason he's so disorganized when in battle is because he's still young. He's still technically a kid. His attention in battle is constantly drawn from one thing to the next, and it's hard for him to focus until the danger is right behind him. (Like in Captain America Civil War when Caps shield nearly hits him in the back of the head. In a more relaxed situation, I'm sure he would've been able to dodge it far quicker than he did) In conclusion, I think this makes Tom's Spider sense is far superior than Andrew's and Tobey's (probably right on par with someone like Miles Morales). It's not just a "better than average reflex", it's an alert system. It's an alarm. It helps him detect danger even when he's technically not in it. Even though his Spider Sense in infinity war doesn't activate until the ship is basically right behind him, it activates far earlier than it would for Tobey or Andrew, and maybe even Miles. It activates long before he's directly in the line of fire, which in a way, makes it a lot more useful. I think a fully adult and fully realized MCU Spider-Man would win in a Spider Man battle royal against the big three. His spider sense along with his quick thinking and experience would be able to help him come out on top. I'm not exactly that knowledgeable when it comes to this kinda stuff so please let me know if I got something wrong.
Not to mention that the threat he detected with the Green Goblin was a personality shift before it happened which is literally impossible since we can only detect that after it happens so he was able to do the impossible
Matpat: Tom Holland's Spiderman has stun-webs, shock-webs ect. Literally a second after Matpat: I don't know if electricity proofing will have any impact in a spiderman v spiderman battle.
i think you miss a crucial part and it's the battle intelligence. For exemple, Andrew and Tobey had to come up with strategies to fight 2 villains at the same time (sandman-venom & Electro-goblin). Tom also came up with a strategy to immobilize Big ant-man. Their ennemy were different but had their difficulty and it's important who did best to overcome them.
I feel like Tobey would win in the long run because sure miles could catch him off guard, but that doesn’t mean the fight is over just because he tripped him once. And besides if it was a really long fight between the three Spider-Men (miles, Tom, and tobey) then it’s safe to assume that after some time miles and Tom would run out of webs, making them have a slight disadvantage
You missed the scene where Andrew's Spiderman caught the bus after then armored truck slammed into it, with him going over and stopping is while being feet away from it. Can attribute to spidey sense and agility.
Eddy Buckets no miles is not faster, not more agile, and not stronger. Miles has always been inferior to peter Parker it’s just that he has a few extra powers
Tom wins this because he has not only spider sense but a suit full of gadgets and an A.I.Surely there's something in Tom's suit that allows him to see miles even if he's invisible.
In the Spider-Man games you can read bios for each character and it shows Peter lifting some crazy amount of weight as an attribute but just shows miles as having increased strength. And ,in the comics at least, spider sense I believe doesn’t really work on people Peter considers as a friend. So his little leg kick is completely off guard and unexpected. And Peter b Parker has supposedly lasted the longest as Spider-Man without dying. So he has single handedly taken on all his bad guy equivalents for longer. And I think canonically Peter has an over all greater strength and sense than miles has but miles has some crazy powers that make it up. It’s like a pie chart or skill tree I guess. They start out with the same amount of skill points but they got put into different categories.
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man(not sure if I spelt the name right) learns how to properly and successfully use his spider sense in far from home but doesn’t in homecoming so I’m not sure if Miles truly wins.
Miles literally caught Peter off guard. Doesn't mean he was going toe-to-toe and won. And if you're saying "then why didn't Peter's spider-sense go off!" uh, because it recognizes Miles as an ally.
Also, According to your chart, abilities other than shooting webs and spider sense like venom blast and invisibility doesn't count since its not in there, and if we rank them on their basis of all their powers, Tobey can use his symbiote suit, and Tom can use his iron spider suit, especially after no way home, Tom may get a symbiote suit, and remember, Tom tied for 1st place while being much younger and has not learned all his abilities yet like spider sense (judging by the time this video was uploaded) he also had very less experience as compared to the others, also, Miles was meant to be the main character of that movie, so that's why they let miles beat Dr octopus, since, if Peter b parker is Tobey's peter parker, we saw Tobey dodge Dr octopus's tentacles very easily, while being still kinda new and not that experienced, so I think Peter still has chance of beating miles, ofc not that easily, but with both at their best, I think both have 50/50 chance of beating each other
I think people mistake the FFH plot of Peter using his spider sense as him discovering it, when if you paid attention he already knows he has some sort of sixth sense but it hasn't been working properly since he blipped back.
In terms of strength i think it makes sense because in one movie Tom Holland was frustrated and accidentally pulled out a seatbelt with total ease. Edit: a seatbelt breaks at 1000lbs of force which is the same as about 4448 Newtons.
But Tom did not hold the ferry together for even few seconds with pure strength so i think strength goes to Tobey . Tom only slowed it down later and held it still before with the webs not strength.
Fun fact: miles morales actually learned the moves from the bravery and moves of Peter Parker and Peter b Parker (and he used this uncles help, the “hey”)
I feel like Miles had a little bit of plot armor in that final scene. Plus he wasn’t put through the rest of the categories like the others. It sounds a lot like Death Battle, where one feat that someone clearly didn’t do the physics on or threw in for a gag, just blows any other feats out of the water. Is Miles strong? Yes Do we have enough material to accurately judge his strength? No
He really didn't have any plot armour. Dude just use everything he learned across the movie to defeat Kingpin and earn his title as his universe's spiderman
Now peters tingle is amazing in far from home he’s able to sense all of the stark drones and nkt get hit once, and in nwh he’s able to detect when norman turns into the goblin
Y'know, if this was an actual Spider-Man movie, then Andrew Garfields Spidey would win, since Spider-Man is usually an underdog story, and Andrew is DEFINITELY coming in with some major weaknesses
Peter B. Parker may be a stand in for Tobey and Tom's Spider-Man, but when the collider brings the Spider-Men from their universes, one of them comes from Earth 616, which happens to be the Marvel universe in the COMICS. The only one who seems to come from that universe is Peter B. Parker. So in a nutshell, I believe that Peter B. Parker is actually the Spider-Man from the comics created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, just older
Sure but Tom Holland also has the upper hand in combat because of the amount of time he has spent fighting people and he also is generally a smarter person
Abraham the “eyes closed” part is kinda redundant because spider sense does not work with things you can see. So no him having his eyes closed did not give him a disadvantageous actually helped
One last thing,at the end. Mysterio is invisible,like a invisible human,that try’s to shoot atoms version.And he knows what comes,before it happens.So he *can* defend against invisible,not invisible,drones,and humans before they attack.
Shamone Jackson Strength,agility,and technology still matter ina fight,I can know when everything is coming and if someone is going to punch me.But without good strength or tech or agility,I can’t stop it.Also,do you disagree with me or agree?
Technically Andrew Garfield in the Spiderman 2 lifted a police car so that means he's a bit stronger than you think, also he wasn't struggling when he was holding the car
Matpat in the web catagory you could argue it is Tobey maguire because his body makes the webs causing him not to need webshooters that fall off like in Spider-Man homecoming and not needing web cartridges
I saw this video after seeing no way home so Tom Holland because technically his spider sense had developed so much in that movie to the point to show that he could use his spider sense to be able to tell that Osborne's dark side had kicked in even though it doesn't factor in his speed it factors to develop his spider senses capabilities which could also develop his reaction time technically
MatPat: references far from home with the tingle joke also MatPat: Doesn't acknowledge the final fight with Mysterio where Holland literally tingles his way to victory.
Ragged Well... it was just him sensing his intent to shoot, as he doesn’t dodge the bullet, he beats Mysterio’s reaction speed to pulling the trigger which is going to be slower then all Spider-Man reaction tomes
Here’s a simple fact You can’t calculate fairness of inexperience matching up to someone who got out of shape and didn’t use his powers for all that long anymore Also we don’t even truly know if he’s the EXACT peter parker So this is a hypothesis at best
if we are just counting skill and how much web each one has, Tobey muguier actually wins if we don't count Starks help. the reason is that while both tom and Andrew have a lot of web, they have only a limited supply vs Tobey who treats his own in his body as explained in Spiderman no way home meaning Tobey has limitless supply of webs to use. he. beats tom and Andrew
@karol chruzik im just saying it is a way undersold feat that he beat up a bunch of robots he couldn't see. And i will concede to your point about the precision of a machine being not that much better than the precision of a human's in this scenario, but only because it is so easy for the shooters. They were shooting at almost point blank range, and i hate to say it again, but they had FULL AUTO! The fact that hollands spiderman was able to dodge the sheer number of bullets he did from in some cases like 2 meters away should win him the fight easily.
@Lincoln Lundgren Now read me out in a very slow voice. You assume the fact thats its machine makes it harder to dodge. But the bullets are still same quantity/speed/velocity. The difrence between precision of trained goon and machine is minimal when both are aiming in general corpus area from 10 meters or so. There is little to no difrence especially if you compare that to former 260. If you want to argue for your fAvOrItE boy Holland I suggest fact that he has milion newton punch. Some anime BS right there.
It's cute that you waited until halfway through the introduce miles into the running, especially because the only spiderman that has an advantage against him is the Andrew Garfield one.
at 9:56 toms peter was able to sense the change of goblins personality, something no peter has ever done before, therefore speed goes to Tobey and Sensitivity goes to tom, so therefore its a draw between the 2
Since a lot of people are asking about the Far From Home finale, two things we factored in but didn't expressly write into the episode:
1. Across BOTH MCU movies, Peter's use of the Spider Sense is inconsistent, just like the other Spidermen. Writers tend to "forget" that it exists when they need to put Spider-Man in danger, and so sure, Tom Holland ends the movie having "mastered" the sense, but we have no evidence that he'll be able to continue using it from this point forward (and we guessed he probably won't, because it'll make him too OP if he can predict EVERY move headed his way). We have to go by what we've seen...and his sense up until the end of FFH hasn't been great.
2. Yes, he "masters" the Spider Sense at the end, but is it giving him faster reactions times? He's able to SEE THROUGH THE ILLUSIONS of Mysterio...which helps him avoid bullets and avoid the gun...but his REACTION TIME is still on par with the other Spidermen (at least when it comes to avoiding LOTS of bullets, which they all can do). It gave him better intuition. So again, largely a wash when compared to the other portrayals of the character.
Don't get me wrong...Tom Holland is my FAVORITE Spider-Man. But FFH didn't give us the confidence that the Spider Sense was that much better than anyone else's. As such, when it comes to power set, in our estimation, Miles in Spiderverse still wins.
But like I said, it's a theory. There are TONS of ways to analyze the question. I'm really enjoying reading everyone's thoughts on the issue -- keep 'em coming!
I would argue that he didn't "see through" the illusions, but rather that he was responding to the attacks regardless of his sensory perception of the threat (or lack of sensory perception), which is something the Spider Sense has done several times across the Tom Holland and Tobey Maguire versions (maybe also Amazing, I never saw the second one and don't care to rewatch the first), and which is supposed to be how it works in the first place.
@Joseph Darvish I mean miles did beat Mephistopheles but this is movies not comic if we talking about comic definitely miles
hey! It's 2023 people! we all saw his enchanced "spider-sense" in No Way Home.
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Can you make a new version with no way home?
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Unironically, Spider Ham would win. He can pull a Thanos and drop a moon on his enemies, better yet, he’d pull the moon out of his pocket mid battle.
@Claire C. Mcdonald how does him being a cartoon character mean he's not that strong? He's a spiderman mate so he is strong.
@FuryousD exactly he's a cartoon character he's not that strong lol.
@Claire C. Mcdonald how is that a no? he's a cartoon character they can do anything they want mate.
Yeah um no lol.
@Danny Martial yes an animated cartoon movie
*MatPat:* Miles is the strongest Spider Man.
*Bully Maguire:* I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.
@Michael Andrew ok but invisiu
@Isn’t it funny? that's venom powers edit and that's only in the miles Morales game I'm not sure but I thinks so anyway itsxalongctime since I watchedxthe movie
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I just realized something, the Peter B. Parker in "into the spider verse" has mechanical web shooters and not organic. So its not technically the same guy
and he has brown eyes and is a better version so he's not the same
Also, his logic is just plain flawed when he's using that "fight" at the end to say Miles beats Tobey and Tom. He measured the first 3 Spideys in their prime, declared that Peter B. is just automatically a perfect stand-in for Tobey (incorrect), who he in turn just declared a perfect stand-in for Tom because he got the same overall score (also incorrect), then used Miles' inexperience to hand-wave Peter B's poor condition so he could make the claim that a hypothetical, more experienced Miles must be better than prime Peter B, and, by the transitive property, Tobey and Tom as well. It COULD happen, but you can't just basically say, "This kid shows a lot of promise," and then act like that one potential future that you jumped through hoops to extrapolate is already a concrete reality. I get that these are meant to be fun, and he wanted an exciting last-minute twist, but he should've actually put Miles through the same tests as everyone else using solid, measurable feats that he has actually achieved, not ones he might eventually reach.
This is all without even mentioning that it's not like he beat Peter B. in some no holds barred death match. That fight was really just the two of them both trying to step up and help each other, with neither one wanting to hurt the other. Miles didn't want Peter to die as a result of staying in his universe, but Peter was worried that Miles wasn't ready to do the job himself and felt like the other Spiders all had more right and reason to go home and live than he did because of guilt and fear left by his past failures (his horrible mental state is also worth considering when trying to just use him as a catch-all measuring stick, because the guy is a total wreck). It was really more of a test than anything. It was Miles proving to Peter that he'd be okay on his own. As soon as Miles proved himself ready and convinced Peter that it was worth it for him to take that leap, go back home and try again, Peter just stopped and let himself be dropped into the portal. It doesn't necessarily mean that he couldn't have beaten Miles senseless or even killed him if that had been the goal.
@your mother Well, he got bit. Most Spider people do, but Tobey is the only one referenced in this video confirmed to make their own organic webbing. That's not typical for Peter Parker, but some others like Spider-Man 2099, aka Miguel O'Hara, do.
He has the same backstory as toby but he has web shooters??? This also confused me but maybe he's just a spider man from a different universe so he's a lot like toby but the only change is he never got bit and decided to make his own web shooters
Yeah they're different but their feats are a direct parallel so its fair enough to base them off eachother, I do see what you mean though
Mat: "I don't think having shock-proof webbing would be that important in a spider man battle"
Tom Peter: I have a shock webbing type
Miles: I literally have a shock ability
@Spider-Man did you even watch the video 😂😂
@Spider-Man he is lol
Tom: I also have 1 billion other web types
Miles isn't apart of this
You forgot to mention that in homecoming the MCU’s Spider-Man used Tony’s spidey-suit, meaning Tony could have put something in the suit to reduce the strain when he keeps the ferry together, after all he did add lots of new technology (Karen is an example since she is the humanoid voice that listens to Peter’s commands)
Matpat: pretends video doesn't include Spiderverse for 15 minutes
Also Matpat: puts Miles on thumbnail
🤪
Nothing like getting two mins to the end of the video to get that close to being clickbait
To be fair, it was probably the editor for this video that made the thumbnail. Matpat hasn't edited his own videos in a while.
@QuanTV that will be Clickbait
Kevin Jackson I was gonna lose it if he put Myles in the thumbnail and didn't mention him
In No way Home really shows how powerful spidey sense, he literally moves while his soul is out of his body
He was also able to detect a personality shift with Norman before it even happened
And in far from home (spoilers) at the end of the movie, Tom Holland uses and depended on it as if his life needed it. He couldn't even see!
True.
Could Tom win after his no way home feats? I thought maybe him keeping the cube away from strange when his soul left his body was due to his spider sense, so that may give him an edge over tobey in agility
@TheCurryMerchant None of the Peter’s can hug their parents 💀
@nikox but they were standing in different positions. You can't compare that
@Glaxi yeah he was shaking and tom seemed somewhat hesitant and he got his ribs and nose broken by green goblin earlier and we can see he was still in pain but he was able to keep up with tobey and andrew
@nikox Tom was fighting a more stronger, more intense goblin then the goblin then Tobey fought. You could see the difference in strength compared to the two from nwh and spiderman 1. Alot of people say this to make Tobey win, but never really seeing how much stronger and psychotic green goblin was. Plus Tobey was also hurt and had to try in the movie, it wasn't just him not struggling, they both struggled a lot.
@Kevin no it doesn’t
Best part of no way home is when they acknowledge the fact Toby's webs are natural
Technically if you were to include the games, there might be a change because of the fighting styles shown from Peter and miles, Peter is more professional and has a sense of better feetwork, fighting, and skillful when doing standard missions, not only that, but he also as a final boss defeated the sinister six which is extremely hard for JUST one person, unluckily though, you still lose aunt may. Even in the dlc’s you seem to learn to travel and fight and unlock cool stuff throughout the game making your Peter who’s been at this job for 9 years even more superior. Miles on the other only trains a few months (I can’t quite remember), this also shows all of of his learning process of his skills, if you look at the way miles moves, he does things that are in his own styles yet not as professional, he doesn’t quite execute many things nearly as well as Peter. Now it is hard to look at how these two compare due to the fact that Peter doesn’t show up for almost the entire game, and miles doesn’t nearly fight as tough of a final boss for which he only has one person he must beat. Now some may talk about the beginning scene of which Peter could’ve died but miles only does the light work for most of the battle until you actually fight Rhino, of which the battle has a pretty easy pattern to follow unlike his new form later in the game. Anyways, I love Spider-Man, I just wanted to put some more consideration into this battle Royale because their could be maybe a different winner if these games were included.
Interesting that you pulled in another contender at the end and declared him the winner without saying anything about his strength, webs, or agility and Spider-Sense.
Well I don't think adding another 10minutes just to examine one more Spiderman would be smart. More editing. More time to watch. But really i dont think it's that bad we trust him
He did. He just didn't show it in the video
They webs would be the same cause miles got his shooters from aunt may, but the other things idk 🤷♂️
Miles got a way easier chance at winning this competition because he didn’t have to go through all the categories. MatPat just said that he did really good in one battle and boom he wins. Not saying he wouldn’t win if he was tested in all the categories but you never know.
Exactly! If it had been a competition from the beginning of all four Tom and Toby would likely not have come out as tied either. My guess would be:
Strength, web, agility
Tom: 4, 4, 3 = 11
Toby: 3, 2, 2 = 7
Andrew: 1, 1, 1 = 3
Miles: 2, 3, 4 = 9
To be fair to mat he used powerscaling saying the Peter B and Tobey are the same. But yeah Miles was an asspull. (opps i said bad word)
Yeah, that's what ruined this video for me. It was all hype until he threw the rules out the window for Miles. e_e
For some strange reason, nobody ever acknowledges the scene from the end of Spider-Man 2, where Peter holds up the giant metal wall, then proceeds to THROW IT over his head. I feel like that is a considerable feat of strength that just get's flat out ignored by everyone
@Cignux are you even talking about the train scene actually, or him just holding up some part of a building
@Cignux it’s simple math to see how fast the train was going, even if something is pulling it the speed is still the same and decelerating at the same rate
@Cignux and mat pat literally states how fast it was moving so his number wouldn’t change. tom is way stronger
@Cignux no the device had no other effect on the train, that’s just a theory
@Dominic Sitto the feat that tobey did i spiderman 2 at the end is stronger than tom's feats the reason i say that is the youtuber crisis said that feat was city block+ level since the sun that doc ock made was pulling things from the city and from that close it would be insane
I feel like a category should've been durability/recovery speed. But I personally think that it would be tobey and tom leaving andrew in the dust.
Who’s here after No Way Home to talk about how Tom’s Spider Sense can detect a heartbeat and pin a certain villain in a room with villains
Please an updated version since we saw a more in depth version of how Tom’s Spider sense works in No Way Home and a couple more important things.
Pretty sure it depend on plot armor or just how strong do the director wants them to be
You said that electricity wouldn't be important in a Spider-Man Battle Royale, but surely it would if you're counting Miles Morales as he has electrical powers
mhm
Electricity as in cable wires and other electrical things not powers
Andrew has the electricity absorption in his suit or whatever
But he's not
True
I hope they make a live action Miles Movie
In the no way home movie, we saw how octavius manhandled tom's spiderman with ease, while tobey's spiderman was able to swap hands with ock and managed to free himself from ock's grasp which tom's spiderman could not do. About the webbing, although tom's peter has 576 different types of webs, he just uses the good old regular ones and his web is limited. Also the web Wings is something for gliding in the air, which is very restrictive during a one on one fight, and swinging is faster. Also, Tobey's peter has natural webs and is unlimited.
Coming to the last part, although I Can't deny that miles could be stronger than peter, It should be noted that Tobey's pete and Peter.B.Parker are not the same person or someone similar.
They are waay different, Peter.B. Parker seems retired and is out of shape, but managed to keep up with the other spidermen with just his experience. Peter. B. Parker is out of shape, depressed, hobo, broke up with MJ, failed in buisness, Whilst tobey's pete seems to be doing well with his life, and has the unlimited webbing.
Also Tom did not hold the ferry by pure strength for even few seconds , the ferry was falling apart until the very moment Iron man showed up .
I wonder if the portrayal of Spider-Sense in NWH takes Toms score up a notch, given that he’s now canonically the only Spider-Man to actually have near-premonitions of future events as opposed to a heightened awareness of one’s surrounding or a slower perception of time.
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man: hundreds of times stronger than the others
Matpat: it’s a tie
@HumanMan it is in fact a strength feat to hold webs attached to a yacht.
@typeOU et co Tf you mean " can't hold it for long " He didn't hold it for even a little bit , don't mention the several webs he used before cuz that's not a strength feat . When he tried with pure strength he couldn't hold it for even a little bit and it's shown .
No Tom didn't hold the ferry for even few seconds , it was falling apart right before Iron man showed up .
@raimi all powerful Dude, you know how much force that ferry is exerting on Tom Holland? 15.696.000 newtons of force! It takes about 30.000 newtons for a average human to be split in half, and we're talking about 15 million! That makes Tom Holland 500 times more durable than The average human being.
@Cage Games my guy the webs did most the work they were breaking my guy tom did most the work tom is stronger calm down
This man may have confirmed Spider Man battle royal premise three years before the second Into the Spider Verse movie was confirmed. If the trailers show what we think it shows, we might see a similar situation to what Mat Pat's doing here.
You forgot that Tom Holland's spider sense allows him to close his eyes and anticipate movements around him
@Sand K not every some of them dont
@Berto Andon but his suit has no effect on his spider sense
That’s spidey senses, all of em have it
About the boat vs the train scene, you gotta remember how much webbing they used to complete the hold. Tom Spiderman had to use over a hundred to do it for 6 seconds and still fail. Tobey Spider-Man only used 14 to bring the train to a COMPLETE stop without outside help. Remember the webbing in homecoming is taking 90%of the ACTUAL strain of the act here, unlike Spider-Man 2 where Tobey Spiderman is the complete anchor holding the webbing to get the strain to stop. So 10% is 3100000 for 6 seconds which is still pretty impressive.
with no way home and infinity war, we know tom holland’s sense is more of his head telling him to move or that theres something dangerous near. in infinity war, the reason he was the most scared while blipping was because his head was screaming at him that there was danger, but peter didn’t know what it was and how to stop it.
Matpat: "Its tough to imagine electricity playing a major role in a Spider-Man vs Spider-Man fight"
Miles: I'm about to end this man's career.
@I have no common sense But 567 variations of web
Iron spider : 400% charging sir
Also Tom Holland’s spiderman has electric webbing💀
I feel like ham has a chance though, his confrontation with the live actions would go one of two ways. Either the wacky cartoon logic applies and ham is guarenteed the win or because hams in the real world he plays by it’s rules, in which case the other spidermen will be serving him up for dinner
I honestly can't wait to see how this theory stacks up once we see Miles duke it out with Spiderman 2099 in the next Spiderverse movie
Matpat: talks about spider sense
Also matpat: doesn’t mention any of the spider sense in far from home where peter ACTUALLY LEARNS how to use it
@Egor Kit it was before it came out
@Hijacked I feel like that's a weak feat. He didn't dodge the bullet, he moved the gun right before Mysterio pulled the trigger, that's a good example of reaction time but it isn't a great example of Spidey sense
@Jadiel.f far from home came out july 2, 2019. This video came out august 1, 2019
He posted this video before far from home came out dude
@Typhoonis88 well in his comment respond to the comments about tom holland's spider sense from far from home he didn't say anything about the video being made before far from home sooooooooooo
I like how much more matte Tom’s suit is compared to the others
It's just so funny sometimes that how film theorist interprets all this details strength, speed etc from the movies but I am pretty sure while making the movies the directors were only thinking about the story and gave Spidey strength and speed based on convince and what they wanted fr that scene
It wasn't Peter B. Parker that had the same experiences. It was Peter Parker from Miles' universe.
Peter Parker’s night monkey suit didn’t have anything special about it. It was just to make him look different from his regular Spider-Man suit so his friends didn’t figure out he was Spider-Man. So you could use the night monkey suit if you wanted. 😂🤣
@I am a human it wasn't
O really. I didn’t realize it was bullet proof. That’s something anyway haha 😂
It had a bulletproof vest
Well now we know that Tobey’s Spider-Man is actually stronger than Tom’s Spider-Man because of the Scene in No way home where Tom’s Peter is super mad and angry and isn’t holding back and starts to strike the Glider down at Norman AKA the green goblin and Tobey stops him until he calms down and puts the glider down.
It’s unfair that you compared Miles with Peter without using the three comparison points you started with
DragonEyeGaming You can’t just ignore the facts even if it is unfair. Tobey and Andrew are adult Spider-Men yet Peter was #1 for most of the competition. Clearly Miles’ webshooters would be about equal to Andrews. It doesn’t matter the situation MatPat should’ve done the 3 points.
@Phil spider senses*
Godfrey Yu Agreed. Scientific method whom?? Also, how do we know that just because Spiderverse Peter Parker went through similar experiences, he’s equally strong?
his actually name is: scamderman.
@DragonEyeGaming if your useing a clear cut way to score the spidermen you cant just last second decide to change it just cause you want to
I miss the Amazing Spiderman. In my opinion it was the best one by a lot.
I'd like to also add the fact that Tobey's endurance is High. Really High. Like he took so many hit in the spiderman trilogy. Especially in the first in the last fight againtest The Green goblin. He even took a Goblin Grenade to the head. (Which literary vaporizes oraganing matter. Let alone 2 inche away) He also got hit by a train and swung right back.
Tom also took hits from the shocker; Shocker can make busses move with a single punch which would need to be 5 tons of force at minimum
(I know this comment was before nwh but I also like to mention that Tom also took a grenade to his body)
They all took big hits, Tom took a train at full speed to his body, miles fell off a building and Andrew got the crap beated out him by lizard
I'd say after now way home tom's spider sense helped him out a ton in that first green goblin encounter, he could sense something was wrong a decent length of time before norman actually changed
It wasn't before he changed, it was the goblin pretending to be Norman. At least that's what I understood. Goblin managed to fool everybody else but Peters spider sense tipped him off, then when Peter webbed him up goblin decided to drop the norman act.
I still think Andrew and Tom would take a second to be grossed out by the fact Tobey’s webs come out of his body
To be fair the Spider Man going against Miles wasn't trying to hurt him or try and throw down. They just kept throwing each other away and running to stop the machine. It's a bit unfair to say that Spider Man was TOTALLY trying there.
MatPat: Tough to imagine electricity playing a role in a Spiderman vs Spiderman fight.
Miles Morales: Hold my bagel.
Peter Parker who has TASER WEBS: “am I a joke to you”
that's true love right there^
I feel like they’re both about durability than strength cause they’re not pulling anything they’re holding it together with his body
In spiderman far from home he clearly is much better at his "peter-tingle" than the amazing spiderman would ever be because unlike the others, he doesn't even need vision.
Confirmed Tobey Maguires Spiderman was strongest cos he stopped Holland with minimal effort in no way home
Physics says other wise it easier to pull up from gravity than down
Honestly a Miles who has mastered his powers would decimate everyone (i know its about live action)
7:47, you failed to mention at the beginning of the amazing spider man film, while Andrew's Peter was at Ozcorp, there is a small detail on a screen telling that webs have the capability to pull a plane with one string- granted said string could be huge compared to the average web shooter, however I'm sure in the infinite wisdom of Spiderman, he could make such an adjustment
Matpat: Tom holland has taser webs etc
Also Matpat: I can't really see electricity coming up in a fight
That's not what I'm saying
I'm saying he would not be harmed by electricity
Maybe count *EVERYTHING* before sayin stuff
Andrew can't shock anybody with his webs, Tom can
JD Archbold but miles is the best
JD Archbold yeah but miles can do what Andrew can better and more stuff so... yeah
For Tom Holland's Spider Sense I would think the civil war scene is a better display. Peter lands on a pipe, while Cap throws his shield at him. Almost instantly Peter reacts: "Oh god" and he quickly jumps away.
actually, he says oh god when bucky throws that large hunk of metal at him then dodges it
It feels kinda weird that Tom Holland’s spider man won in such a landslide of the first two but loss the last. The scoring system is feeling def funky.
Andrew will still always be my amazing Spiderman 😍
love that nobody expected that the three spiders would actually make a collab.
In NWH, I think the strength of Tom Holland's spider sense is heavily supported.
1. In Spider-verse, the Spider sense is represented by these little squiggles around the Spider-Man's head. When Strange pushes Peter out of his physical body, you can see those same squiggles around his head (they're a bit hard to see because they're clear, but you can see them). It allows him to dodge Strange insanely quickly. I like to think this is his spider sense is at his best because his soul (his emotions, his hesitation, ect.) is separated from his actual physical body. It's like Jarvis from Age of Ultron. He was stopping Ultron from obtaining nuclear codes without even knowing it. He still *existed* as a program but his intelligence was "killed" or "dismantled" per se. It's the same for Tom. His intelligence was separated from his body but his reflexes, his "spider sense" is still in his fully functioning brain.
2. In another scene where Tom is working on the cure for Green Goblin, his spider sense is obviously warning him about something, but as explained in Homecoming, Tom has trouble focusing. Especially against multiple people (I think). His spider sense is warning him constantly about threats but it's hard for him to focus on which one is most important. It's why his suits eyes are the way they are. They're like binoculars in a way.
In No Way Home, it's obvious he detects the threat. It's clear that his spider sense is working, but he's in a room full of super villains. He can't tell where it's coming from until he closes his eyes and focuses on it entirely.
I think the reason he's so disorganized when in battle is because he's still young. He's still technically a kid. His attention in battle is constantly drawn from one thing to the next, and it's hard for him to focus until the danger is right behind him. (Like in Captain America Civil War when Caps shield nearly hits him in the back of the head. In a more relaxed situation, I'm sure he would've been able to dodge it far quicker than he did)
In conclusion, I think this makes Tom's Spider sense is far superior than Andrew's and Tobey's (probably right on par with someone like Miles Morales). It's not just a "better than average reflex", it's an alert system. It's an alarm. It helps him detect danger even when he's technically not in it. Even though his Spider Sense in infinity war doesn't activate until the ship is basically right behind him, it activates far earlier than it would for Tobey or Andrew, and maybe even Miles. It activates long before he's directly in the line of fire, which in a way, makes it a lot more useful.
I think a fully adult and fully realized MCU Spider-Man would win in a Spider Man battle royal against the big three. His spider sense along with his quick thinking and experience would be able to help him come out on top.
I'm not exactly that knowledgeable when it comes to this kinda stuff so please let me know if I got something wrong.
Not to mention that the threat he detected with the Green Goblin was a personality shift before it happened which is literally impossible since we can only detect that after it happens so he was able to do the impossible
Matpat: Tom Holland's Spiderman has stun-webs, shock-webs ect.
Literally a second after
Matpat: I don't know if electricity proofing will have any impact in a spiderman v spiderman battle.
tbh I thought that was just foreshadowing for miles
Lol so true
i think you miss a crucial part and it's the battle intelligence. For exemple, Andrew and Tobey had to come up with strategies to fight 2 villains at the same time (sandman-venom & Electro-goblin). Tom also came up with a strategy to immobilize Big ant-man. Their ennemy were different but had their difficulty and it's important who did best to overcome them.
The thing is, andrews electric proof web shooters would be useful against miles morales with his venom blast
I feel like Tobey would win in the long run because sure miles could catch him off guard, but that doesn’t mean the fight is over just because he tripped him once. And besides if it was a really long fight between the three Spider-Men (miles, Tom, and tobey) then it’s safe to assume that after some time miles and Tom would run out of webs, making them have a slight disadvantage
Well to be fair Peter B Parker is a different Spiderman because he can’t spew webs from his wrist he uses tech
You missed the scene where Andrew's Spiderman caught the bus after then armored truck slammed into it, with him going over and stopping is while being feet away from it. Can attribute to spidey sense and agility.
Matpat: *talks about spidersense*
Also matpat: *uses miles invisibility as a reason he can beat the other spidermen*
LMAO
I'm gonna say it Pete is the best and the strongest spiderman
Obie Quinones 369th like.
Eddy Buckets no miles is not faster, not more agile, and not stronger. Miles has always been inferior to peter Parker it’s just that he has a few extra powers
Tom wins this because he has not only spider sense but a suit full of gadgets and an A.I.Surely there's something in Tom's suit that allows him to see miles even if he's invisible.
In the Spider-Man games you can read bios for each character and it shows Peter lifting some crazy amount of weight as an attribute but just shows miles as having increased strength. And ,in the comics at least, spider sense I believe doesn’t really work on people Peter considers as a friend. So his little leg kick is completely off guard and unexpected. And Peter b Parker has supposedly lasted the longest as Spider-Man without dying. So he has single handedly taken on all his bad guy equivalents for longer. And I think canonically Peter has an over all greater strength and sense than miles has but miles has some crazy powers that make it up. It’s like a pie chart or skill tree I guess. They start out with the same amount of skill points but they got put into different categories.
I kinda want to see a redo of this with new information from the movies
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man(not sure if I spelt the name right) learns how to properly and successfully use his spider sense in far from home but doesn’t in homecoming so I’m not sure if Miles truly wins.
you gotta admit tom having that big a feat at the start of his story is insane
The newest movie it kinda puts them at the same strength btw. Also it gives more evidence that Tom has a much stronger spider sense.
Miles literally caught Peter off guard. Doesn't mean he was going toe-to-toe and won.
And if you're saying "then why didn't Peter's spider-sense go off!" uh, because it recognizes Miles as an ally.
Honestly the spider sense thing is a really easy fix if they still want him to be surprised. Just have it go off too late for him to react.
Is no one gonna talk about how in far from home Tom literally sensed everything while closing his eyes
No we’re not gonna talk abt it bc it’s just basic spider sense
Love how nearly any time Matt mentions Andrew's Spiderman or the three he has Two Tobeys and One tom
8:52 with how toms spidey sense changed in no way home to its full potential, he would have gotten a better score as he also saw the world in slow mo
Also, According to your chart, abilities other than shooting webs and spider sense like venom blast and invisibility doesn't count since its not in there, and if we rank them on their basis of all their powers, Tobey can use his symbiote suit, and Tom can use his iron spider suit, especially after no way home, Tom may get a symbiote suit, and remember, Tom tied for 1st place while being much younger and has not learned all his abilities yet like spider sense (judging by the time this video was uploaded) he also had very less experience as compared to the others, also, Miles was meant to be the main character of that movie, so that's why they let miles beat Dr octopus, since, if Peter b parker is Tobey's peter parker, we saw Tobey dodge Dr octopus's tentacles very easily, while being still kinda new and not that experienced, so I think Peter still has chance of beating miles, ofc not that easily, but with both at their best, I think both have 50/50 chance of beating each other
In infinity war peter sensed that the guardians were coming even though the guardians couldn’t be heard by doctor strange and tony stark
Again that doesn’t give him a better reaction time, but more of a tool for alertness
Ooo good one 😂
I think people mistake the FFH plot of Peter using his spider sense as him discovering it, when if you paid attention he already knows he has some sort of sixth sense but it hasn't been working properly since he blipped back.
Wait, wouldn't Andrew's anti-eletric webbing help in a fight against Miles?
In terms of strength i think it makes sense because in one movie Tom Holland was frustrated and accidentally pulled out a seatbelt with total ease. Edit: a seatbelt breaks at 1000lbs of force which is the same as about 4448 Newtons.
But Tom did not hold the ferry together for even few seconds with pure strength so i think strength goes to Tobey . Tom only slowed it down later and held it still before with the webs not strength.
Fun fact: miles morales actually learned the moves from the bravery and moves of Peter Parker and Peter b Parker (and he used this uncles help, the “hey”)
I feel like you should give Peter B. an extra point for not losing his powers when he gets depressed.
I feel like after far from home we give spider sense to Tom, considering he was able to dodge being sprayed by bullets without even being able to see
All spiderman can do that. Its a common things
Read MatPat’s comment on that.
I feel like Miles had a little bit of plot armor in that final scene. Plus he wasn’t put through the rest of the categories like the others. It sounds a lot like Death Battle, where one feat that someone clearly didn’t do the physics on or threw in for a gag, just blows any other feats out of the water.
Is Miles strong? Yes
Do we have enough material to accurately judge his strength? No
You didn't watch the ultimate spiderman series then
Yeah but after king pin hit him once he stood there until miles got up if he didn’t it would’ve been over
He really didn't have any plot armour. Dude just use everything he learned across the movie to defeat Kingpin and earn his title as his universe's spiderman
Waleigh the Scarfmeister I agree but even so miles venom shock and invisibility trump basic spider abilities by miles in my opinion
Thank you
Now peters tingle is amazing in far from home he’s able to sense all of the stark drones and nkt get hit once, and in nwh he’s able to detect when norman turns into the goblin
So we not gonna talk about how Andrew helt 300M joules of electric and still managed to stay strong
Y'know, if this was an actual Spider-Man movie, then Andrew Garfields Spidey would win, since Spider-Man is usually an underdog story, and Andrew is DEFINITELY coming in with some major weaknesses
Peter B. Parker may be a stand in for Tobey and Tom's Spider-Man, but when the collider brings the Spider-Men from their universes, one of them comes from Earth 616, which happens to be the Marvel universe in the COMICS. The only one who seems to come from that universe is Peter B. Parker. So in a nutshell, I believe that Peter B. Parker is actually the Spider-Man from the comics created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, just older
Sure but Tom Holland also has the upper hand in combat because of the amount of time he has spent fighting people and he also is generally a smarter person
In Far From Home, Tom's Peter literally dodges hundreds of bullets while fighting a dozen drones *with his eyes closed* thanks to his Spider-sense
Abraham the “eyes closed” part is kinda redundant because spider sense does not work with things you can see. So no him having his eyes closed did not give him a disadvantageous actually helped
One last thing,at the end. Mysterio is invisible,like a invisible human,that try’s to shoot atoms version.And he knows what comes,before it happens.So he *can* defend against invisible,not invisible,drones,and humans before they attack.
Shamone Jackson Strength,agility,and technology still matter ina fight,I can know when everything is coming and if someone is going to punch me.But without good strength or tech or agility,I can’t stop it.Also,do you disagree with me or agree?
@xcribeotix Thank you you are the first person to actually know how the spider sense works
@Abraham if the spider sense is factored in the other details shouln't matter.
Technically Andrew Garfield in the Spiderman 2 lifted a police car so that means he's a bit stronger than you think, also he wasn't struggling when he was holding the car
Matpat in the web catagory you could argue it is Tobey maguire because his body makes the webs causing him not to need webshooters that fall off like in Spider-Man homecoming and not needing web cartridges
Matpat should revisit this theory with no way home, just that instead of physical strength it’s a psychological strength one
i need a part 2 for this because of the new no way home movie. since tom shows off some insane spidersense in some scenes
I saw this video after seeing no way home so Tom Holland because technically his spider sense had developed so much in that movie to the point to show that he could use his spider sense to be able to tell that Osborne's dark side had kicked in even though it doesn't factor in his speed it factors to develop his spider senses capabilities which could also develop his reaction time technically
in TASM 1 in the car thief scene Andrew dodged bullets pointblank.
MatPat: references far from home with the tingle joke
also MatPat: Doesn't acknowledge the final fight with Mysterio where Holland literally tingles his way to victory.
Ragged Well... it was just him sensing his intent to shoot, as he doesn’t dodge the bullet, he beats Mysterio’s reaction speed to pulling the trigger which is going to be slower then all Spider-Man reaction tomes
@WMMRT98, well yes, that's What I said.
Ragged holy moly where the only two people who actually watched it
Adrián Alonso the sense helped Peter stop Mysterio from shooting him in the head at point blank in the final scene
That's good an all but the tingle helped him "see" Past Mysterios illusion. not to improve his reaction speed
Here’s a simple fact
You can’t calculate fairness of inexperience matching up to someone who got out of shape and didn’t use his powers for all that long anymore
Also we don’t even truly know if he’s the EXACT peter parker
So this is a hypothesis at best
4:27 don't forget the action of friction, the tension from the webs, the brakes and other factors which would take from the strength he'd need
petition for him to redo this after seeing no way home
if we are just counting skill and how much web each one has, Tobey muguier actually wins if we don't count Starks help. the reason is that while both tom and Andrew have a lot of web, they have only a limited supply vs Tobey who treats his own in his body as explained in Spiderman no way home meaning Tobey has limitless supply of webs to use. he. beats tom and Andrew
Miles basically pulled off two of The Main strength feats you used as an example he held a bridge together and held up a car in game
Matpat: The "Peter tingle" isn't very useful for Tom Holland
Far From Home: I'm 'bout to end this whole mans career
Lol, You got that right.
@Lincoln Lundgren its actually harder to find people not shooting to spoderman full auto than otherwise, movie or cartoon
@karol chruzik im just saying it is a way undersold feat that he beat up a bunch of robots he couldn't see. And i will concede to your point about the precision of a machine being not that much better than the precision of a human's in this scenario, but only because it is so easy for the shooters. They were shooting at almost point blank range, and i hate to say it again, but they had FULL AUTO! The fact that hollands spiderman was able to dodge the sheer number of bullets he did from in some cases like 2 meters away should win him the fight easily.
@Lincoln Lundgren Now read me out in a very slow voice. You assume the fact thats its machine makes it harder to dodge. But the bullets are still same quantity/speed/velocity. The difrence between precision of trained goon and machine is minimal when both are aiming in general corpus area from 10 meters or so. There is little to no difrence especially if you compare that to former 260. If you want to argue for your fAvOrItE boy Holland I suggest fact that he has milion newton punch. Some anime BS right there.
@karol chruzik Yes! AUTO fire from multiple MACHINE sources. Im not sure you understand what that entails.
It's cute that you waited until halfway through the introduce miles into the running, especially because the only spiderman that has an advantage against him is the Andrew Garfield one.
at 9:56 toms peter was able to sense the change of goblins personality, something no peter has ever done before, therefore speed goes to Tobey and Sensitivity goes to tom, so therefore its a draw between the 2