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Film Theory: Spiderman vs Spiderman Battle Royale!


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  • The Film Theorists
    The Film Theorists  3 жыл бұрын +8259

    Since a lot of people are asking about the Far From Home finale, two things we factored in but didn't expressly write into the episode:
    1. Across BOTH MCU movies, Peter's use of the Spider Sense is inconsistent, just like the other Spidermen. Writers tend to "forget" that it exists when they need to put Spider-Man in danger, and so sure, Tom Holland ends the movie having "mastered" the sense, but we have no evidence that he'll be able to continue using it from this point forward (and we guessed he probably won't, because it'll make him too OP if he can predict EVERY move headed his way). We have to go by what we've seen...and his sense up until the end of FFH hasn't been great.
    2. Yes, he "masters" the Spider Sense at the end, but is it giving him faster reactions times? He's able to SEE THROUGH THE ILLUSIONS of Mysterio...which helps him avoid bullets and avoid the gun...but his REACTION TIME is still on par with the other Spidermen (at least when it comes to avoiding LOTS of bullets, which they all can do). It gave him better intuition. So again, largely a wash when compared to the other portrayals of the character.
    Don't get me wrong...Tom Holland is my FAVORITE Spider-Man. But FFH didn't give us the confidence that the Spider Sense was that much better than anyone else's. As such, when it comes to power set, in our estimation, Miles in Spiderverse still wins.
    But like I said, it's a theory. There are TONS of ways to analyze the question. I'm really enjoying reading everyone's thoughts on the issue -- keep 'em coming!

    • Kalshazaak
      Kalshazaak Ай бұрын

      I would argue that he didn't "see through" the illusions, but rather that he was responding to the attacks regardless of his sensory perception of the threat (or lack of sensory perception), which is something the Spider Sense has done several times across the Tom Holland and Tobey Maguire versions (maybe also Amazing, I never saw the second one and don't care to rewatch the first), and which is supposed to be how it works in the first place.

    • Prod.venchy
      Prod.venchy 2 ай бұрын

      @Joseph Darvish I mean miles did beat Mephistopheles but this is movies not comic if we talking about comic definitely miles

    • Gaming Diegoplayz
      Gaming Diegoplayz 2 ай бұрын

      hey! It's 2023 people! we all saw his enchanced "spider-sense" in No Way Home.

    • Damien Hazelwood
      Damien Hazelwood 2 ай бұрын


    • Super Sonic
      Super Sonic 2 ай бұрын

      Can you make a new version with no way home?

  • Madden B
    Madden B 3 жыл бұрын +6414

    Top 2 Marvel snaps
    1) Thanos’ snap
    2) Gwen Staci’s spine

  • Danny Martial
    Danny Martial  Жыл бұрын +1303

    Unironically, Spider Ham would win. He can pull a Thanos and drop a moon on his enemies, better yet, he’d pull the moon out of his pocket mid battle.

    • FuryousD
      FuryousD 3 күн бұрын

      @Claire C. Mcdonald how does him being a cartoon character mean he's not that strong? He's a spiderman mate so he is strong.

    • Claire C. Mcdonald
      Claire C. Mcdonald 4 күн бұрын +1

      @FuryousD exactly he's a cartoon character he's not that strong lol.

    • FuryousD
      FuryousD 5 күн бұрын

      @Claire C. Mcdonald how is that a no? he's a cartoon character they can do anything they want mate.

    • Claire C. Mcdonald
      Claire C. Mcdonald 5 күн бұрын +2

      Yeah um no lol.

    • FuryousD
      FuryousD 21 күн бұрын

      @Danny Martial yes an animated cartoon movie

  • xTriton
    xTriton  Жыл бұрын +826

    *MatPat:* Miles is the strongest Spider Man.
    *Bully Maguire:* I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.

    • Isn’t it funny?
      Isn’t it funny? Ай бұрын

      @Michael Andrew ok but invisiu

    • Michael Andrew
      Michael Andrew Ай бұрын

      @Isn’t it funny? that's venom powers edit and that's only in the miles Morales game I'm not sure but I thinks so anyway itsxalongctime since I watchedxthe movie

    • Joud M
      Joud M 7 ай бұрын +1

      👏 excelsior

    • Tuna Not Bass
      Tuna Not Bass 9 ай бұрын

      This comment is top tier

    • Avi
      Avi  Жыл бұрын


  • Genesis SuperNova
    Genesis SuperNova  Жыл бұрын +530

    I just realized something, the Peter B. Parker in "into the spider verse" has mechanical web shooters and not organic. So its not technically the same guy

    • M
      M Ай бұрын

      and he has brown eyes and is a better version so he's not the same

    • Meta Nightmare445
      Meta Nightmare445 Ай бұрын

      Also, his logic is just plain flawed when he's using that "fight" at the end to say Miles beats Tobey and Tom. He measured the first 3 Spideys in their prime, declared that Peter B. is just automatically a perfect stand-in for Tobey (incorrect), who he in turn just declared a perfect stand-in for Tom because he got the same overall score (also incorrect), then used Miles' inexperience to hand-wave Peter B's poor condition so he could make the claim that a hypothetical, more experienced Miles must be better than prime Peter B, and, by the transitive property, Tobey and Tom as well. It COULD happen, but you can't just basically say, "This kid shows a lot of promise," and then act like that one potential future that you jumped through hoops to extrapolate is already a concrete reality. I get that these are meant to be fun, and he wanted an exciting last-minute twist, but he should've actually put Miles through the same tests as everyone else using solid, measurable feats that he has actually achieved, not ones he might eventually reach.
      This is all without even mentioning that it's not like he beat Peter B. in some no holds barred death match. That fight was really just the two of them both trying to step up and help each other, with neither one wanting to hurt the other. Miles didn't want Peter to die as a result of staying in his universe, but Peter was worried that Miles wasn't ready to do the job himself and felt like the other Spiders all had more right and reason to go home and live than he did because of guilt and fear left by his past failures (his horrible mental state is also worth considering when trying to just use him as a catch-all measuring stick, because the guy is a total wreck). It was really more of a test than anything. It was Miles proving to Peter that he'd be okay on his own. As soon as Miles proved himself ready and convinced Peter that it was worth it for him to take that leap, go back home and try again, Peter just stopped and let himself be dropped into the portal. It doesn't necessarily mean that he couldn't have beaten Miles senseless or even killed him if that had been the goal.

    • Meta Nightmare445
      Meta Nightmare445 Ай бұрын

      @your mother Well, he got bit. Most Spider people do, but Tobey is the only one referenced in this video confirmed to make their own organic webbing. That's not typical for Peter Parker, but some others like Spider-Man 2099, aka Miguel O'Hara, do.

    • your mother
      your mother 2 ай бұрын

      He has the same backstory as toby but he has web shooters??? This also confused me but maybe he's just a spider man from a different universe so he's a lot like toby but the only change is he never got bit and decided to make his own web shooters

    • The Cookie Nebula
      The Cookie Nebula 9 ай бұрын +1

      Yeah they're different but their feats are a direct parallel so its fair enough to base them off eachother, I do see what you mean though

  • Jedi_Cat_L
    Jedi_Cat_L  Жыл бұрын +194

    Mat: "I don't think having shock-proof webbing would be that important in a spider man battle"
    Tom Peter: I have a shock webbing type
    Miles: I literally have a shock ability

    • MonaGOAT🐐
      MonaGOAT🐐 4 ай бұрын +5

      @Spider-Man did you even watch the video 😂😂

    • gaming name here:
      gaming name here: 6 ай бұрын +11

      @Spider-Man he is lol

    • Matijas Ostojic
      Matijas Ostojic 11 ай бұрын +6

      Tom: I also have 1 billion other web types

    • Spider-Man
      Spider-Man  Жыл бұрын +1

      Miles isn't apart of this

  • Nam Bao NGUYEN
    Nam Bao NGUYEN  Жыл бұрын +35

    You forgot to mention that in homecoming the MCU’s Spider-Man used Tony’s spidey-suit, meaning Tony could have put something in the suit to reduce the strain when he keeps the ferry together, after all he did add lots of new technology (Karen is an example since she is the humanoid voice that listens to Peter’s commands)

  • KJ
    KJ 3 жыл бұрын +762

    Matpat: pretends video doesn't include Spiderverse for 15 minutes
    Also Matpat: puts Miles on thumbnail

    • John Nye
      John Nye 3 жыл бұрын +1

      Nothing like getting two mins to the end of the video to get that close to being clickbait

    • RavenCoder
      RavenCoder 3 жыл бұрын +4

      To be fair, it was probably the editor for this video that made the thumbnail. Matpat hasn't edited his own videos in a while.

    • Spidey Action
      Spidey Action 3 жыл бұрын +2

      @QuanTV that will be Clickbait

    • QuanTV
      QuanTV 3 жыл бұрын +8

      Kevin Jackson I was gonna lose it if he put Myles in the thumbnail and didn't mention him

  • PixelPep
    PixelPep  Жыл бұрын +43

    In No way Home really shows how powerful spidey sense, he literally moves while his soul is out of his body

    • lexlabz
      lexlabz 2 ай бұрын +3

      He was also able to detect a personality shift with Norman before it even happened

    • Leslie Jen
      Leslie Jen 3 ай бұрын +1

      And in far from home (spoilers) at the end of the movie, Tom Holland uses and depended on it as if his life needed it. He couldn't even see!

    • The Diamond Knight
      The Diamond Knight 9 ай бұрын +2


  • Biz Bug
    Biz Bug  Жыл бұрын +106

    Could Tom win after his no way home feats? I thought maybe him keeping the cube away from strange when his soul left his body was due to his spider sense, so that may give him an edge over tobey in agility

    • Devin
      Devin Ай бұрын

      @TheCurryMerchant None of the Peter’s can hug their parents 💀

    • Ann a
      Ann a 4 ай бұрын

      @nikox but they were standing in different positions. You can't compare that

    • Omar Aliwan
      Omar Aliwan 5 ай бұрын

      @Glaxi yeah he was shaking and tom seemed somewhat hesitant and he got his ribs and nose broken by green goblin earlier and we can see he was still in pain but he was able to keep up with tobey and andrew

    • Glaxi
      Glaxi 6 ай бұрын

      @nikox Tom was fighting a more stronger, more intense goblin then the goblin then Tobey fought. You could see the difference in strength compared to the two from nwh and spiderman 1. Alot of people say this to make Tobey win, but never really seeing how much stronger and psychotic green goblin was. Plus Tobey was also hurt and had to try in the movie, it wasn't just him not struggling, they both struggled a lot.

    • Andrew Waters
      Andrew Waters 7 ай бұрын

      @Kevin no it doesn’t

  • Professor Pointless
    Professor Pointless  Жыл бұрын +12

    Best part of no way home is when they acknowledge the fact Toby's webs are natural

  • ShadoHiro S
    ShadoHiro S  Жыл бұрын +16

    Technically if you were to include the games, there might be a change because of the fighting styles shown from Peter and miles, Peter is more professional and has a sense of better feetwork, fighting, and skillful when doing standard missions, not only that, but he also as a final boss defeated the sinister six which is extremely hard for JUST one person, unluckily though, you still lose aunt may. Even in the dlc’s you seem to learn to travel and fight and unlock cool stuff throughout the game making your Peter who’s been at this job for 9 years even more superior. Miles on the other only trains a few months (I can’t quite remember), this also shows all of of his learning process of his skills, if you look at the way miles moves, he does things that are in his own styles yet not as professional, he doesn’t quite execute many things nearly as well as Peter. Now it is hard to look at how these two compare due to the fact that Peter doesn’t show up for almost the entire game, and miles doesn’t nearly fight as tough of a final boss for which he only has one person he must beat. Now some may talk about the beginning scene of which Peter could’ve died but miles only does the light work for most of the battle until you actually fight Rhino, of which the battle has a pretty easy pattern to follow unlike his new form later in the game. Anyways, I love Spider-Man, I just wanted to put some more consideration into this battle Royale because their could be maybe a different winner if these games were included.

  • Andrew Cheshire
    Andrew Cheshire  Жыл бұрын +30

    Interesting that you pulled in another contender at the end and declared him the winner without saying anything about his strength, webs, or agility and Spider-Sense.

    • Ann a
      Ann a 4 ай бұрын +3

      Well I don't think adding another 10minutes just to examine one more Spiderman would be smart. More editing. More time to watch. But really i dont think it's that bad we trust him

    • Ann a
      Ann a 4 ай бұрын

      He did. He just didn't show it in the video

    • Lenny Kuz
      Lenny Kuz 6 ай бұрын +1

      They webs would be the same cause miles got his shooters from aunt may, but the other things idk 🤷‍♂️

  • Tasty Roadkill
    Tasty Roadkill 3 жыл бұрын +145

    Miles got a way easier chance at winning this competition because he didn’t have to go through all the categories. MatPat just said that he did really good in one battle and boom he wins. Not saying he wouldn’t win if he was tested in all the categories but you never know.

    • Thinking Out Loud
      Thinking Out Loud 3 жыл бұрын +7

      Exactly! If it had been a competition from the beginning of all four Tom and Toby would likely not have come out as tied either. My guess would be:
      Strength, web, agility
      Tom: 4, 4, 3 = 11
      Toby: 3, 2, 2 = 7
      Andrew: 1, 1, 1 = 3
      Miles: 2, 3, 4 = 9

    • Shamone Jackson
      Shamone Jackson 3 жыл бұрын +10

      To be fair to mat he used powerscaling saying the Peter B and Tobey are the same. But yeah Miles was an asspull. (opps i said bad word)

    • Aeon The Hedgehog
      Aeon The Hedgehog 3 жыл бұрын +30

      Yeah, that's what ruined this video for me. It was all hype until he threw the rules out the window for Miles. e_e

  • AngryScottishMan
    AngryScottishMan  Жыл бұрын +34

    For some strange reason, nobody ever acknowledges the scene from the end of Spider-Man 2, where Peter holds up the giant metal wall, then proceeds to THROW IT over his head. I feel like that is a considerable feat of strength that just get's flat out ignored by everyone

    • Dominic Sitto
      Dominic Sitto 7 ай бұрын

      @Cignux are you even talking about the train scene actually, or him just holding up some part of a building

    • Dominic Sitto
      Dominic Sitto 7 ай бұрын

      @Cignux it’s simple math to see how fast the train was going, even if something is pulling it the speed is still the same and decelerating at the same rate

    • Dominic Sitto
      Dominic Sitto 7 ай бұрын +1

      @Cignux and mat pat literally states how fast it was moving so his number wouldn’t change. tom is way stronger

    • Dominic Sitto
      Dominic Sitto 7 ай бұрын

      @Cignux no the device had no other effect on the train, that’s just a theory

    • Cignux
      Cignux 7 ай бұрын

      @Dominic Sitto the feat that tobey did i spiderman 2 at the end is stronger than tom's feats the reason i say that is the youtuber crisis said that feat was city block+ level since the sun that doc ock made was pulling things from the city and from that close it would be insane

  • LieLie
    LieLie  Жыл бұрын +21

    I feel like a category should've been durability/recovery speed. But I personally think that it would be tobey and tom leaving andrew in the dust.

  • Irishfireclaw
    Irishfireclaw  Жыл бұрын +22

    Who’s here after No Way Home to talk about how Tom’s Spider Sense can detect a heartbeat and pin a certain villain in a room with villains

  • LongShot 90
    LongShot 90  Жыл бұрын +8

    Please an updated version since we saw a more in depth version of how Tom’s Spider sense works in No Way Home and a couple more important things.

  • Rong D. Memer
    Rong D. Memer  Жыл бұрын +8

    Pretty sure it depend on plot armor or just how strong do the director wants them to be

  • Hamza Chaudhry
    Hamza Chaudhry 3 жыл бұрын +1652

    You said that electricity wouldn't be important in a Spider-Man Battle Royale, but surely it would if you're counting Miles Morales as he has electrical powers

    • Sayba
      Sayba 7 ай бұрын


    • Cherry_demon💖🛼
      Cherry_demon💖🛼 8 ай бұрын

      Electricity as in cable wires and other electrical things not powers

      T-REXPOOL 11 ай бұрын

      Andrew has the electricity absorption in his suit or whatever

    • Spider-Man
      Spider-Man  Жыл бұрын

      But he's not

    • Kariem Dev
      Kariem Dev  Жыл бұрын


  • Dazzling Dexter
    Dazzling Dexter 3 ай бұрын +21

    I hope they make a live action Miles Movie

  • Kokiri Mido
    Kokiri Mido 7 ай бұрын +2

    In the no way home movie, we saw how octavius manhandled tom's spiderman with ease, while tobey's spiderman was able to swap hands with ock and managed to free himself from ock's grasp which tom's spiderman could not do. About the webbing, although tom's peter has 576 different types of webs, he just uses the good old regular ones and his web is limited. Also the web Wings is something for gliding in the air, which is very restrictive during a one on one fight, and swinging is faster. Also, Tobey's peter has natural webs and is unlimited.
    Coming to the last part, although I Can't deny that miles could be stronger than peter, It should be noted that Tobey's pete and Peter.B.Parker are not the same person or someone similar.
    They are waay different, Peter.B. Parker seems retired and is out of shape, but managed to keep up with the other spidermen with just his experience. Peter. B. Parker is out of shape, depressed, hobo, broke up with MJ, failed in buisness, Whilst tobey's pete seems to be doing well with his life, and has the unlimited webbing.

    • HumanMan
      HumanMan 2 ай бұрын

      Also Tom did not hold the ferry by pure strength for even few seconds , the ferry was falling apart until the very moment Iron man showed up .

  • A duck with a YouTube channel
    A duck with a YouTube channel 9 ай бұрын

    I wonder if the portrayal of Spider-Sense in NWH takes Toms score up a notch, given that he’s now canonically the only Spider-Man to actually have near-premonitions of future events as opposed to a heightened awareness of one’s surrounding or a slower perception of time.

  • Declan Gardner
    Declan Gardner  Жыл бұрын +276

    Tom Holland’s Spider-Man: hundreds of times stronger than the others
    Matpat: it’s a tie

    • typeOU et co
      typeOU et co 2 ай бұрын

      @HumanMan it is in fact a strength feat to hold webs attached to a yacht.

    • HumanMan
      HumanMan 2 ай бұрын

      @typeOU et co Tf you mean " can't hold it for long " He didn't hold it for even a little bit , don't mention the several webs he used before cuz that's not a strength feat . When he tried with pure strength he couldn't hold it for even a little bit and it's shown .

    • HumanMan
      HumanMan 2 ай бұрын

      No Tom didn't hold the ferry for even few seconds , it was falling apart right before Iron man showed up .

    • Ice Crawl 19
      Ice Crawl 19 5 ай бұрын +1

      @raimi all powerful Dude, you know how much force that ferry is exerting on Tom Holland? 15.696.000 newtons of force! It takes about 30.000 newtons for a average human to be split in half, and we're talking about 15 million! That makes Tom Holland 500 times more durable than The average human being.

    • Vernessa Washington
      Vernessa Washington 5 ай бұрын

      @Cage Games my guy the webs did most the work they were breaking my guy tom did most the work tom is stronger calm down

  • Durple
    Durple 3 ай бұрын

    This man may have confirmed Spider Man battle royal premise three years before the second Into the Spider Verse movie was confirmed. If the trailers show what we think it shows, we might see a similar situation to what Mat Pat's doing here.

  • Bread
    Bread 3 жыл бұрын +1536

    You forgot that Tom Holland's spider sense allows him to close his eyes and anticipate movements around him

    • Northernvirus0
      Northernvirus0  Жыл бұрын

      @Sand K not every some of them dont

    • Northernvirus0
      Northernvirus0  Жыл бұрын

      @Berto Andon but his suit has no effect on his spider sense

    • Kalee
      Kalee  Жыл бұрын

      That’s spidey senses, all of em have it

  • Kane Wilson
    Kane Wilson Ай бұрын

    About the boat vs the train scene, you gotta remember how much webbing they used to complete the hold. Tom Spiderman had to use over a hundred to do it for 6 seconds and still fail. Tobey Spider-Man only used 14 to bring the train to a COMPLETE stop without outside help. Remember the webbing in homecoming is taking 90%of the ACTUAL strain of the act here, unlike Spider-Man 2 where Tobey Spiderman is the complete anchor holding the webbing to get the strain to stop. So 10% is 3100000 for 6 seconds which is still pretty impressive.

  • Swirlheart YTV
    Swirlheart YTV  Жыл бұрын +1

    with no way home and infinity war, we know tom holland’s sense is more of his head telling him to move or that theres something dangerous near. in infinity war, the reason he was the most scared while blipping was because his head was screaming at him that there was danger, but peter didn’t know what it was and how to stop it.

  • Sergio de la Vega
    Sergio de la Vega  Жыл бұрын +3

    Matpat: "Its tough to imagine electricity playing a major role in a Spider-Man vs Spider-Man fight"
    Miles: I'm about to end this man's career.

  • TheJazzRat
    TheJazzRat  Жыл бұрын +14

    I feel like ham has a chance though, his confrontation with the live actions would go one of two ways. Either the wacky cartoon logic applies and ham is guarenteed the win or because hams in the real world he plays by it’s rules, in which case the other spidermen will be serving him up for dinner

  • thornn
    thornn  Жыл бұрын

    I honestly can't wait to see how this theory stacks up once we see Miles duke it out with Spiderman 2099 in the next Spiderverse movie

  • Bincherito
    Bincherito 3 жыл бұрын +2238

    Matpat: talks about spider sense
    Also matpat: doesn’t mention any of the spider sense in far from home where peter ACTUALLY LEARNS how to use it

    • NoPantsOn Currently
      NoPantsOn Currently  Жыл бұрын

      @Egor Kit it was before it came out

    • Thatboikhy
      Thatboikhy  Жыл бұрын

      @Hijacked I feel like that's a weak feat. He didn't dodge the bullet, he moved the gun right before Mysterio pulled the trigger, that's a good example of reaction time but it isn't a great example of Spidey sense

    • Bincherito
      Bincherito  Жыл бұрын

      @Jadiel.f far from home came out july 2, 2019. This video came out august 1, 2019

    • Jadiel.f
      Jadiel.f  Жыл бұрын

      He posted this video before far from home came out dude

    • Baby yoda
      Baby yoda 2 жыл бұрын

      @Typhoonis88 well in his comment respond to the comments about tom holland's spider sense from far from home he didn't say anything about the video being made before far from home sooooooooooo

  • Jeff Grant
    Jeff Grant  Жыл бұрын +1

    I like how much more matte Tom’s suit is compared to the others

  • Chirag Midha
    Chirag Midha  Жыл бұрын +2

    It's just so funny sometimes that how film theorist interprets all this details strength, speed etc from the movies but I am pretty sure while making the movies the directors were only thinking about the story and gave Spidey strength and speed based on convince and what they wanted fr that scene

  • Traivon's World
    Traivon's World 11 ай бұрын +1

    It wasn't Peter B. Parker that had the same experiences. It was Peter Parker from Miles' universe.

  • Justin Heiland
    Justin Heiland  Жыл бұрын +7

    Peter Parker’s night monkey suit didn’t have anything special about it. It was just to make him look different from his regular Spider-Man suit so his friends didn’t figure out he was Spider-Man. So you could use the night monkey suit if you wanted. 😂🤣

    • Jagrit Thukral
      Jagrit Thukral  Жыл бұрын

      @I am a human it wasn't

    • Justin Heiland
      Justin Heiland  Жыл бұрын

      O really. I didn’t realize it was bullet proof. That’s something anyway haha 😂

    • I am a human
      I am a human  Жыл бұрын

      It had a bulletproof vest

  • Nabbit Gamer
    Nabbit Gamer  Жыл бұрын +2

    Well now we know that Tobey’s Spider-Man is actually stronger than Tom’s Spider-Man because of the Scene in No way home where Tom’s Peter is super mad and angry and isn’t holding back and starts to strike the Glider down at Norman AKA the green goblin and Tobey stops him until he calms down and puts the glider down.

  • Godfrey Yu
    Godfrey Yu 3 жыл бұрын +506

    It’s unfair that you compared Miles with Peter without using the three comparison points you started with

    • wheybig297
      wheybig297 3 жыл бұрын +2

      DragonEyeGaming You can’t just ignore the facts even if it is unfair. Tobey and Andrew are adult Spider-Men yet Peter was #1 for most of the competition. Clearly Miles’ webshooters would be about equal to Andrews. It doesn’t matter the situation MatPat should’ve done the 3 points.

    • Azamuddin Abdul Aziz
      Azamuddin Abdul Aziz 3 жыл бұрын

      @Phil spider senses*

    • Benjamin Hicks
      Benjamin Hicks 3 жыл бұрын

      Godfrey Yu Agreed. Scientific method whom?? Also, how do we know that just because Spiderverse Peter Parker went through similar experiences, he’s equally strong?

    • Broken Games
      Broken Games 3 жыл бұрын

      his actually name is: scamderman.

    • RocketOps
      RocketOps 3 жыл бұрын +3

      @DragonEyeGaming if your useing a clear cut way to score the spidermen you cant just last second decide to change it just cause you want to

  • Insíder
    Insíder  Жыл бұрын +1

    I miss the Amazing Spiderman. In my opinion it was the best one by a lot.

  • Webaccount 284
    Webaccount 284  Жыл бұрын +5

    I'd like to also add the fact that Tobey's endurance is High. Really High. Like he took so many hit in the spiderman trilogy. Especially in the first in the last fight againtest The Green goblin. He even took a Goblin Grenade to the head. (Which literary vaporizes oraganing matter. Let alone 2 inche away) He also got hit by a train and swung right back.

    • Highground user
      Highground user 9 ай бұрын

      Tom also took hits from the shocker; Shocker can make busses move with a single punch which would need to be 5 tons of force at minimum

    • Nobody
      Nobody  Жыл бұрын

      (I know this comment was before nwh but I also like to mention that Tom also took a grenade to his body)

    • Nobody
      Nobody  Жыл бұрын

      They all took big hits, Tom took a train at full speed to his body, miles fell off a building and Andrew got the crap beated out him by lizard

  • Sir Speedy
    Sir Speedy  Жыл бұрын

    I'd say after now way home tom's spider sense helped him out a ton in that first green goblin encounter, he could sense something was wrong a decent length of time before norman actually changed

    • Germaine Foli-Archer
      Germaine Foli-Archer  Жыл бұрын

      It wasn't before he changed, it was the goblin pretending to be Norman. At least that's what I understood. Goblin managed to fool everybody else but Peters spider sense tipped him off, then when Peter webbed him up goblin decided to drop the norman act.

  • the shampooer
    the shampooer  Жыл бұрын +2

    I still think Andrew and Tom would take a second to be grossed out by the fact Tobey’s webs come out of his body

  • ConfuseMe
    ConfuseMe  Жыл бұрын

    To be fair the Spider Man going against Miles wasn't trying to hurt him or try and throw down. They just kept throwing each other away and running to stop the machine. It's a bit unfair to say that Spider Man was TOTALLY trying there.

  • OnyDeus
    OnyDeus 3 жыл бұрын +214

    MatPat: Tough to imagine electricity playing a role in a Spiderman vs Spiderman fight.
    Miles Morales: Hold my bagel.

    • Apple Pi
      Apple Pi 3 жыл бұрын +1

      Peter Parker who has TASER WEBS: “am I a joke to you”

    • CheesecakeLasagna
      CheesecakeLasagna 3 жыл бұрын +2

      that's true love right there^

  • 1 Hour Songs
    1 Hour Songs  Жыл бұрын +1

    I feel like they’re both about durability than strength cause they’re not pulling anything they’re holding it together with his body

  • Illusion
    Illusion  Жыл бұрын

    In spiderman far from home he clearly is much better at his "peter-tingle" than the amazing spiderman would ever be because unlike the others, he doesn't even need vision.

  • ribdog
    ribdog  Жыл бұрын +3

    Confirmed Tobey Maguires Spiderman was strongest cos he stopped Holland with minimal effort in no way home

    • Fezling _
      Fezling _ 9 ай бұрын

      Physics says other wise it easier to pull up from gravity than down

    KAIZEN.  Жыл бұрын +1

    Honestly a Miles who has mastered his powers would decimate everyone (i know its about live action)

  • Fulcrum
    Fulcrum 6 ай бұрын

    7:47, you failed to mention at the beginning of the amazing spider man film, while Andrew's Peter was at Ozcorp, there is a small detail on a screen telling that webs have the capability to pull a plane with one string- granted said string could be huge compared to the average web shooter, however I'm sure in the infinite wisdom of Spiderman, he could make such an adjustment

  • sunny P
    sunny P 3 жыл бұрын +501

    Matpat: Tom holland has taser webs etc
    Also Matpat: I can't really see electricity coming up in a fight

    • sunny P
      sunny P 3 жыл бұрын +1

      That's not what I'm saying
      I'm saying he would not be harmed by electricity

    • ah
      ah 3 жыл бұрын

      Maybe count *EVERYTHING* before sayin stuff

    • C_rem
      C_rem 3 жыл бұрын

      Andrew can't shock anybody with his webs, Tom can

    • Harvey
      Harvey 3 жыл бұрын +1

      JD Archbold but miles is the best

    • Diego Cruz
      Diego Cruz 3 жыл бұрын +3

      JD Archbold yeah but miles can do what Andrew can better and more stuff so... yeah

  • Tomminator
    Tomminator  Жыл бұрын +2

    For Tom Holland's Spider Sense I would think the civil war scene is a better display. Peter lands on a pipe, while Cap throws his shield at him. Almost instantly Peter reacts: "Oh god" and he quickly jumps away.

    • Shibiqo
      Shibiqo  Жыл бұрын

      actually, he says oh god when bucky throws that large hunk of metal at him then dodges it

  • Call 911pls
    Call 911pls  Жыл бұрын

    It feels kinda weird that Tom Holland’s spider man won in such a landslide of the first two but loss the last. The scoring system is feeling def funky.

  • Spooky
    Spooky  Жыл бұрын +1

    Andrew will still always be my amazing Spiderman 😍

  • MogiDAN
    MogiDAN  Жыл бұрын

    love that nobody expected that the three spiders would actually make a collab.

  • Spaghetti
    Spaghetti 9 ай бұрын +2

    In NWH, I think the strength of Tom Holland's spider sense is heavily supported.
    1. In Spider-verse, the Spider sense is represented by these little squiggles around the Spider-Man's head. When Strange pushes Peter out of his physical body, you can see those same squiggles around his head (they're a bit hard to see because they're clear, but you can see them). It allows him to dodge Strange insanely quickly. I like to think this is his spider sense is at his best because his soul (his emotions, his hesitation, ect.) is separated from his actual physical body. It's like Jarvis from Age of Ultron. He was stopping Ultron from obtaining nuclear codes without even knowing it. He still *existed* as a program but his intelligence was "killed" or "dismantled" per se. It's the same for Tom. His intelligence was separated from his body but his reflexes, his "spider sense" is still in his fully functioning brain.
    2. In another scene where Tom is working on the cure for Green Goblin, his spider sense is obviously warning him about something, but as explained in Homecoming, Tom has trouble focusing. Especially against multiple people (I think). His spider sense is warning him constantly about threats but it's hard for him to focus on which one is most important. It's why his suits eyes are the way they are. They're like binoculars in a way.
    In No Way Home, it's obvious he detects the threat. It's clear that his spider sense is working, but he's in a room full of super villains. He can't tell where it's coming from until he closes his eyes and focuses on it entirely.
    I think the reason he's so disorganized when in battle is because he's still young. He's still technically a kid. His attention in battle is constantly drawn from one thing to the next, and it's hard for him to focus until the danger is right behind him. (Like in Captain America Civil War when Caps shield nearly hits him in the back of the head. In a more relaxed situation, I'm sure he would've been able to dodge it far quicker than he did)
    In conclusion, I think this makes Tom's Spider sense is far superior than Andrew's and Tobey's (probably right on par with someone like Miles Morales). It's not just a "better than average reflex", it's an alert system. It's an alarm. It helps him detect danger even when he's technically not in it. Even though his Spider Sense in infinity war doesn't activate until the ship is basically right behind him, it activates far earlier than it would for Tobey or Andrew, and maybe even Miles. It activates long before he's directly in the line of fire, which in a way, makes it a lot more useful.
    I think a fully adult and fully realized MCU Spider-Man would win in a Spider Man battle royal against the big three. His spider sense along with his quick thinking and experience would be able to help him come out on top.
    I'm not exactly that knowledgeable when it comes to this kinda stuff so please let me know if I got something wrong.

    • lexlabz
      lexlabz 2 ай бұрын

      Not to mention that the threat he detected with the Green Goblin was a personality shift before it happened which is literally impossible since we can only detect that after it happens so he was able to do the impossible

  • SuperDietCola
    SuperDietCola 3 жыл бұрын +72

    Matpat: Tom Holland's Spiderman has stun-webs, shock-webs ect.
    Literally a second after
    Matpat: I don't know if electricity proofing will have any impact in a spiderman v spiderman battle.

    • trans-ruffboi
      trans-ruffboi 3 жыл бұрын +3

      tbh I thought that was just foreshadowing for miles

    • Casey Coventry
      Casey Coventry 3 жыл бұрын

      Lol so true

  • Vincent Deschatelets
    Vincent Deschatelets  Жыл бұрын

    i think you miss a crucial part and it's the battle intelligence. For exemple, Andrew and Tobey had to come up with strategies to fight 2 villains at the same time (sandman-venom & Electro-goblin). Tom also came up with a strategy to immobilize Big ant-man. Their ennemy were different but had their difficulty and it's important who did best to overcome them.

  • Blue_Hood
    Blue_Hood  Жыл бұрын +1

    The thing is, andrews electric proof web shooters would be useful against miles morales with his venom blast

  • Jacob LaCroix
    Jacob LaCroix  Жыл бұрын

    I feel like Tobey would win in the long run because sure miles could catch him off guard, but that doesn’t mean the fight is over just because he tripped him once. And besides if it was a really long fight between the three Spider-Men (miles, Tom, and tobey) then it’s safe to assume that after some time miles and Tom would run out of webs, making them have a slight disadvantage

  • Taha NALCACI
    Taha NALCACI  Жыл бұрын +2

    Well to be fair Peter B Parker is a different Spiderman because he can’t spew webs from his wrist he uses tech

  • Adam Reynolds
    Adam Reynolds  Жыл бұрын

    You missed the scene where Andrew's Spiderman caught the bus after then armored truck slammed into it, with him going over and stopping is while being feet away from it. Can attribute to spidey sense and agility.

  • Obie Quinones
    Obie Quinones 3 жыл бұрын +505

    Matpat: *talks about spidersense*
    Also matpat: *uses miles invisibility as a reason he can beat the other spidermen*

    • Blue
      Blue  Жыл бұрын


    • SHIN
      SHIN  Жыл бұрын

      I'm gonna say it Pete is the best and the strongest spiderman

    • Dumpster McGee
      Dumpster McGee 3 жыл бұрын

      Obie Quinones 369th like.

    • Everyones Favorite
      Everyones Favorite 3 жыл бұрын +1

      Eddy Buckets no miles is not faster, not more agile, and not stronger. Miles has always been inferior to peter Parker it’s just that he has a few extra powers

    • پوریا صحبت زاده
      پوریا صحبت زاده 3 жыл бұрын

      Tom wins this because he has not only spider sense but a suit full of gadgets and an A.I.Surely there's something in Tom's suit that allows him to see miles even if he's invisible.

  • P0P_P0P
    P0P_P0P  Жыл бұрын

    In the Spider-Man games you can read bios for each character and it shows Peter lifting some crazy amount of weight as an attribute but just shows miles as having increased strength. And ,in the comics at least, spider sense I believe doesn’t really work on people Peter considers as a friend. So his little leg kick is completely off guard and unexpected. And Peter b Parker has supposedly lasted the longest as Spider-Man without dying. So he has single handedly taken on all his bad guy equivalents for longer. And I think canonically Peter has an over all greater strength and sense than miles has but miles has some crazy powers that make it up. It’s like a pie chart or skill tree I guess. They start out with the same amount of skill points but they got put into different categories.

  • MrMr Meta
    MrMr Meta  Жыл бұрын +1

    I kinda want to see a redo of this with new information from the movies

  • Geckø Draws
    Geckø Draws  Жыл бұрын +1

    Tom Holland’s Spider-Man(not sure if I spelt the name right) learns how to properly and successfully use his spider sense in far from home but doesn’t in homecoming so I’m not sure if Miles truly wins.

  • R yellz
    R yellz 2 күн бұрын

    you gotta admit tom having that big a feat at the start of his story is insane

  • ConfuseMe
    ConfuseMe  Жыл бұрын

    The newest movie it kinda puts them at the same strength btw. Also it gives more evidence that Tom has a much stronger spider sense.

  • Le Futurisme Hour
    Le Futurisme Hour 3 жыл бұрын +64

    Miles literally caught Peter off guard. Doesn't mean he was going toe-to-toe and won.
    And if you're saying "then why didn't Peter's spider-sense go off!" uh, because it recognizes Miles as an ally.

  • I have no clue either
    I have no clue either  Жыл бұрын

    Honestly the spider sense thing is a really easy fix if they still want him to be surprised. Just have it go off too late for him to react.

  • VoxSoxRox
    VoxSoxRox  Жыл бұрын +4

    Is no one gonna talk about how in far from home Tom literally sensed everything while closing his eyes

    • Nobody
      Nobody  Жыл бұрын

      No we’re not gonna talk abt it bc it’s just basic spider sense

  • Zinoxe
    Zinoxe 11 ай бұрын

    Love how nearly any time Matt mentions Andrew's Spiderman or the three he has Two Tobeys and One tom

  • Treeko 101
    Treeko 101 10 сағат бұрын

    8:52 with how toms spidey sense changed in no way home to its full potential, he would have gotten a better score as he also saw the world in slow mo

  • ShadowPlayZ
    ShadowPlayZ  Жыл бұрын +2

    Also, According to your chart, abilities other than shooting webs and spider sense like venom blast and invisibility doesn't count since its not in there, and if we rank them on their basis of all their powers, Tobey can use his symbiote suit, and Tom can use his iron spider suit, especially after no way home, Tom may get a symbiote suit, and remember, Tom tied for 1st place while being much younger and has not learned all his abilities yet like spider sense (judging by the time this video was uploaded) he also had very less experience as compared to the others, also, Miles was meant to be the main character of that movie, so that's why they let miles beat Dr octopus, since, if Peter b parker is Tobey's peter parker, we saw Tobey dodge Dr octopus's tentacles very easily, while being still kinda new and not that experienced, so I think Peter still has chance of beating miles, ofc not that easily, but with both at their best, I think both have 50/50 chance of beating each other

  • Geoff
    Geoff 3 жыл бұрын +380

    In infinity war peter sensed that the guardians were coming even though the guardians couldn’t be heard by doctor strange and tony stark

    • Tuco Salamanca
      Tuco Salamanca 3 жыл бұрын

      Again that doesn’t give him a better reaction time, but more of a tool for alertness

    • Amna TheGrande
      Amna TheGrande 3 жыл бұрын +1

      Ooo good one 😂

    • dae
      dae 3 жыл бұрын +26

      I think people mistake the FFH plot of Peter using his spider sense as him discovering it, when if you paid attention he already knows he has some sort of sixth sense but it hasn't been working properly since he blipped back.

  • vicente pougy guazzelli
    vicente pougy guazzelli 8 ай бұрын

    Wait, wouldn't Andrew's anti-eletric webbing help in a fight against Miles?

  • James Holden
    James Holden  Жыл бұрын

    In terms of strength i think it makes sense because in one movie Tom Holland was frustrated and accidentally pulled out a seatbelt with total ease. Edit: a seatbelt breaks at 1000lbs of force which is the same as about 4448 Newtons.

    • HumanMan
      HumanMan 2 ай бұрын

      But Tom did not hold the ferry together for even few seconds with pure strength so i think strength goes to Tobey . Tom only slowed it down later and held it still before with the webs not strength.

    CHECO 10 ай бұрын

    Fun fact: miles morales actually learned the moves from the bravery and moves of Peter Parker and Peter b Parker (and he used this uncles help, the “hey”)

  • Monkey Heist
    Monkey Heist  Жыл бұрын

    I feel like you should give Peter B. an extra point for not losing his powers when he gets depressed.

  • dcligma9
    dcligma9  Жыл бұрын +2

    I feel like after far from home we give spider sense to Tom, considering he was able to dodge being sprayed by bullets without even being able to see

    • barebevil
      barebevil  Жыл бұрын

      All spiderman can do that. Its a common things

    • George
      George  Жыл бұрын

      Read MatPat’s comment on that.

  • Waleigh Wallace
    Waleigh Wallace 3 жыл бұрын +256

    I feel like Miles had a little bit of plot armor in that final scene. Plus he wasn’t put through the rest of the categories like the others. It sounds a lot like Death Battle, where one feat that someone clearly didn’t do the physics on or threw in for a gag, just blows any other feats out of the water.
    Is Miles strong? Yes
    Do we have enough material to accurately judge his strength? No

    • james Cupidon
      james Cupidon 3 жыл бұрын

      You didn't watch the ultimate spiderman series then

    • Biz
      Biz 3 жыл бұрын +1

      Yeah but after king pin hit him once he stood there until miles got up if he didn’t it would’ve been over

    • Goat_ Sama
      Goat_ Sama 3 жыл бұрын +1

      He really didn't have any plot armour. Dude just use everything he learned across the movie to defeat Kingpin and earn his title as his universe's spiderman

    • Meech R
      Meech R 3 жыл бұрын +1

      Waleigh the Scarfmeister I agree but even so miles venom shock and invisibility trump basic spider abilities by miles in my opinion

    • Jayden Castro
      Jayden Castro 3 жыл бұрын

      Thank you

  • Ebonmoose
    Ebonmoose  Жыл бұрын

    Now peters tingle is amazing in far from home he’s able to sense all of the stark drones and nkt get hit once, and in nwh he’s able to detect when norman turns into the goblin

  • BwaDEz
    BwaDEz  Жыл бұрын

    So we not gonna talk about how Andrew helt 300M joules of electric and still managed to stay strong

  • CurtDog
    CurtDog 6 ай бұрын

    Y'know, if this was an actual Spider-Man movie, then Andrew Garfields Spidey would win, since Spider-Man is usually an underdog story, and Andrew is DEFINITELY coming in with some major weaknesses

  • Gamer Boy
    Gamer Boy  Жыл бұрын

    Peter B. Parker may be a stand in for Tobey and Tom's Spider-Man, but when the collider brings the Spider-Men from their universes, one of them comes from Earth 616, which happens to be the Marvel universe in the COMICS. The only one who seems to come from that universe is Peter B. Parker. So in a nutshell, I believe that Peter B. Parker is actually the Spider-Man from the comics created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, just older

  • Tinyperson
    Tinyperson Ай бұрын

    Sure but Tom Holland also has the upper hand in combat because of the amount of time he has spent fighting people and he also is generally a smarter person

  • Fares24 : Tutos / Mini-Jeux!
    Fares24 : Tutos / Mini-Jeux! 3 жыл бұрын +421

    In Far From Home, Tom's Peter literally dodges hundreds of bullets while fighting a dozen drones *with his eyes closed* thanks to his Spider-sense

    • Everyones Favorite
      Everyones Favorite 3 жыл бұрын

      Abraham the “eyes closed” part is kinda redundant because spider sense does not work with things you can see. So no him having his eyes closed did not give him a disadvantageous actually helped

    • Abraham
      Abraham 3 жыл бұрын

      One last thing,at the end. Mysterio is invisible,like a invisible human,that try’s to shoot atoms version.And he knows what comes,before it happens.So he *can* defend against invisible,not invisible,drones,and humans before they attack.

    • Abraham
      Abraham 3 жыл бұрын

      Shamone Jackson Strength,agility,and technology still matter ina fight,I can know when everything is coming and if someone is going to punch me.But without good strength or tech or agility,I can’t stop it.Also,do you disagree with me or agree?

    • Shamone Jackson
      Shamone Jackson 3 жыл бұрын

      @xcribeotix Thank you you are the first person to actually know how the spider sense works

    • Shamone Jackson
      Shamone Jackson 3 жыл бұрын

      @Abraham if the spider sense is factored in the other details shouln't matter.

  • ak animates
    ak animates  Жыл бұрын

    Technically Andrew Garfield in the Spiderman 2 lifted a police car so that means he's a bit stronger than you think, also he wasn't struggling when he was holding the car

  • Capt
    Capt  Жыл бұрын

    Matpat in the web catagory you could argue it is Tobey maguire because his body makes the webs causing him not to need webshooters that fall off like in Spider-Man homecoming and not needing web cartridges

  • Checkmated_ Child
    Checkmated_ Child  Жыл бұрын

    Matpat should revisit this theory with no way home, just that instead of physical strength it’s a psychological strength one

  • Lemon Squares
    Lemon Squares  Жыл бұрын

    i need a part 2 for this because of the new no way home movie. since tom shows off some insane spidersense in some scenes

  • Dena Berry
    Dena Berry  Жыл бұрын +1

    I saw this video after seeing no way home so Tom Holland because technically his spider sense had developed so much in that movie to the point to show that he could use his spider sense to be able to tell that Osborne's dark side had kicked in even though it doesn't factor in his speed it factors to develop his spider senses capabilities which could also develop his reaction time technically

    • E Jarfunkle
      E Jarfunkle  Жыл бұрын

      in TASM 1 in the car thief scene Andrew dodged bullets pointblank.

  • Halex
    Halex  3 жыл бұрын +61

    MatPat: references far from home with the tingle joke
    also MatPat: Doesn't acknowledge the final fight with Mysterio where Holland literally tingles his way to victory.

    • OceansForce
      OceansForce 3 жыл бұрын

      Ragged Well... it was just him sensing his intent to shoot, as he doesn’t dodge the bullet, he beats Mysterio’s reaction speed to pulling the trigger which is going to be slower then all Spider-Man reaction tomes

    • ADAJ
      ADAJ 3 жыл бұрын

      @WMMRT98, well yes, that's What I said.

    • SakunaBites
      SakunaBites 3 жыл бұрын

      Ragged holy moly where the only two people who actually watched it

    • JustKo1
      JustKo1 3 жыл бұрын

      Adrián Alonso the sense helped Peter stop Mysterio from shooting him in the head at point blank in the final scene

    • ADAJ
      ADAJ 3 жыл бұрын

      That's good an all but the tingle helped him "see" Past Mysterios illusion. not to improve his reaction speed

  • Powdereye
    Powdereye 8 ай бұрын +1

    Here’s a simple fact
    You can’t calculate fairness of inexperience matching up to someone who got out of shape and didn’t use his powers for all that long anymore
    Also we don’t even truly know if he’s the EXACT peter parker
    So this is a hypothesis at best

  • 1Lema
    1Lema  Жыл бұрын +1

    4:27 don't forget the action of friction, the tension from the webs, the brakes and other factors which would take from the strength he'd need

  • Samil Battenfeld
    Samil Battenfeld 10 ай бұрын +2

    petition for him to redo this after seeing no way home

  • Al Smul
    Al Smul 5 ай бұрын +1

    if we are just counting skill and how much web each one has, Tobey muguier actually wins if we don't count Starks help. the reason is that while both tom and Andrew have a lot of web, they have only a limited supply vs Tobey who treats his own in his body as explained in Spiderman no way home meaning Tobey has limitless supply of webs to use. he. beats tom and Andrew

  • Anthony Jones
    Anthony Jones 11 ай бұрын

    Miles basically pulled off two of The Main strength feats you used as an example he held a bridge together and held up a car in game

  • Couch God
    Couch God 3 жыл бұрын +490

    Matpat: The "Peter tingle" isn't very useful for Tom Holland
    Far From Home: I'm 'bout to end this whole mans career

    • Is I'm Artsy!
      Is I'm Artsy! 3 жыл бұрын

      Lol, You got that right.

    • karol chruzik
      karol chruzik 3 жыл бұрын

      @Lincoln Lundgren its actually harder to find people not shooting to spoderman full auto than otherwise, movie or cartoon

    • Lincoln Lundgren
      Lincoln Lundgren 3 жыл бұрын

      @karol chruzik im just saying it is a way undersold feat that he beat up a bunch of robots he couldn't see. And i will concede to your point about the precision of a machine being not that much better than the precision of a human's in this scenario, but only because it is so easy for the shooters. They were shooting at almost point blank range, and i hate to say it again, but they had FULL AUTO! The fact that hollands spiderman was able to dodge the sheer number of bullets he did from in some cases like 2 meters away should win him the fight easily.

    • karol chruzik
      karol chruzik 3 жыл бұрын

      @Lincoln Lundgren Now read me out in a very slow voice. You assume the fact thats its machine makes it harder to dodge. But the bullets are still same quantity/speed/velocity. The difrence between precision of trained goon and machine is minimal when both are aiming in general corpus area from 10 meters or so. There is little to no difrence especially if you compare that to former 260. If you want to argue for your fAvOrItE boy Holland I suggest fact that he has milion newton punch. Some anime BS right there.

    • Lincoln Lundgren
      Lincoln Lundgren 3 жыл бұрын +2

      @karol chruzik Yes! AUTO fire from multiple MACHINE sources. Im not sure you understand what that entails.

  • Artamis Bot
    Artamis Bot  Жыл бұрын

    It's cute that you waited until halfway through the introduce miles into the running, especially because the only spiderman that has an advantage against him is the Andrew Garfield one.

  • Night Mare
    Night Mare 7 ай бұрын

    at 9:56 toms peter was able to sense the change of goblins personality, something no peter has ever done before, therefore speed goes to Tobey and Sensitivity goes to tom, so therefore its a draw between the 2