That was amazing! It's now 6:13AM and I found myself stimulated and hanging on almost every word two guys sitting in chairs had to say. Whoever was responsible for putting together this discussion and getting it on you tube, thank you!
Wow. That was fascinating, from two men I have admired for a long time. Now I'll do something I've never done--rarely with books, never with video: listen to it again. Thank you so much, gentlemen and excellent moderator. (I'm from the US, living for 50 years in Israel.)
I find it fascinating how many comments are rooting for Yuval, as if he was their home team, and this was a competition... I think you're missing the point if you think this was a debate or that one person is better than the other. Two different people with two different skill sets and knowledge bases, discussing complex issues and each offering a different perspective than the other. Between those two there is a lot of good information and I am sure both people find the other to be intelligent and helpful in spreading knowledge. Moving beyond the mindset of rooting for the home team, or needing to win over another is critical in moving forward as a species, and I think both speakers would agree.
You Grant the speakers the right to different perspectives but not the audience.? I certainly recognize your point though. The discussion has more depth with the contrasting of the two.
Couldn't disagree more, all I herd was balanced thought from one side, and name calling and demagoguery from the other. Any persons whome would condem patriots and nationalist as racist have no place.
You are simply genius, sir! I was thinking the same thing. It's a vey common phenomena though. Whenever there are more than 1 person in a video people always compare.
This is a good video for anyone that works for a living in this world and parents to tell to their children. I would have been better off if me and my parents had heard this back when I was in grade school. The same for many others as well, as then we would know that me or them would be far better off in not getting advanced degrees. Don't get me wrong education is very important, but when the skills needed are always changing, that required a more adaptable form of education. As wasting years on college, and then what you have learned is not useful in the world today. Waste of time and money for a piece of paper that is kind of like a boy scouts badge to people that know nothing about the boy scouts.
To me this was an astonishingly insightful experience with two men of immense intelligence and different backgrounds offering their views for the benefit of the viewers. I loved it and I thank the New York Times and KZclip for making it available. More please!
@Ved people like Friedman are paving the way to split humanity in to 2 group one civilized and highly advanced the other savages and primitive to the point of having bread to eat would be a dream come true for them. slave masters appear powerful when they are surrounded by there slaves, It is Time for Abraham Lincoln to shine today.
Also, some of us enjoy being mavericks and have observed that history is full of people who pursued strange interests that could not be categorized at the time, sometimes because they didn't pursue what was available, were stopped from pursuing what they loved to do at one time, had a spiritual or cosmic experience, and endless etceteras. The predicted reliance on AI to tell us who we are and to direct society in deep ways will likely just make us all more homogeneous, less interesting, and less creative.
The scariest thing isn't the outside world, it's our mind! Currently we still couldn't understand how our consciousness work and it's the biggest problem we are gonna face together.
IN LISTENING TO YUVAL, IT WAS LIKE LISTENING TO MYSELF IN MANY WAYS AS I HAVE EXPRESSED MANY OF THE WORLD / COSMIC VIEWPOINTS AND SOLUTIONS EXPRESSED IN THIS DIALOGUE ! I AM ENCOURAGED IN WITNESSING THIS EMERGING MORE VIABLE COHERENT AND ENLIGHTENING SOLUTION FOR THE FUTURE SURVIVAL OF HUMANITY AND ALL LIFE ON OUR SHARED WORLD ! BRAVO YUVAL !
One of the reasons Harari is so incisive in his speech and thinking is that he spends up to 60 days each year in meditation retreat. Yuval’s fans might want to know where his clarity and calm come from. He is able to say “I don’t know” about the future, yet observe, spot deep structure, and give us lean insights.
I am thankful for your comment + 26 likes. That gives me hope that i have more chances of getting a job than 27 people. When somebody puts together the words historian and "real scientific analysis", i know i am in a good position. Don't get me wrong though. i loved Yuval Noah Harari talk .
I agree. Harari is a good showman and book-seller. However, only Friedman makes me learn new stuff about the world. I love him on ecology, China, Middle East, economy, coal, America, Trump, you name it. As for Harari, he keeps claiming I am ruled by the algorithms. How come I found this conference that I wanted to find. Should not some algorithm work on my head to make sure I cast the right vote in the next election? Last but not least: Harari is a pessimist. I love those rosy pictures from Friedman. He is on the dot!
Aside from his amazing breadth of knowledge/understanding, Harari seems genuinely concerned/empathetic about humanity's future. He wants us to make the right choices in the aggregate. Friedman might as well be a paid corporate lobbyist. His vibe is flat like his book.
Friedman's intellectual dishonesty (or blindness) is embarrassing. Yuval is a self reflective giant .... Hate to be so negative, but the difference between the two is obvious.
Genius Yuval with these 2 in the "New York Times"! haha It´s like time travel for him. I liked the light trick they tried to put them all at the same "special" level. He didn´t let them have even that
I'm so proud of you Professor Harari for every single contribution you has done in our lives. I would like to listen each class and every lesson you have prepared for us and I'm honored to appreciate and recognize the embodied meaningful speech you graciously presents to humanity. And for that I'd like to say - thank you Professor Yuval Noah Harari !!!👏👏👏
If you only care about Yuval and not the others. Yuval on the Global Agenda: 0:53 Yuval on the Mother Nature: 16:36 Yuval on the Present Situation: 18:55 Yuval on the Adaptation to modern fast changes and dangers of personal data analysis and discrimination: 33:00 Yuval continuing on the dangers of personal data analysis: 43:44 Yuval on the Complexity of today's cause-effect system: 54:41 (Yuval being aware of our online cat video spam phenomena: 59:49 just kidding) Yuval on Pessimism, Optimism and the duality of whats important in different places at one time on the unfold of history: 1:09:00 Yuval on his next book (which is out) "21st lessons for the 21 century": 1:14:00 Yuval last comments on the last election and journalism: 1:22:15
"AI" means.... whatever the end result need for their desired outcome. It doesn't have to be intelligent, it doesn't have to be JUST, moral or fair. It's simply the end result that they chose to program and select for to meet their particular agenda
Yuval Noah Harari and Thomas L. Friedman great discussion. I was astonished by so many negative comments about Thomas L. Friedman. They are different characters with different personalities. Yuval it's more of a humble guy. Friedman maybe not so much, but i don't understand lots of hate comments on him. First time Friedman got my attention was a speech at Yale university. That was an eye opening speech. But anyways, what strikes me the most is, on a discussion about "The Future of Humanity" they haven't talked about many topics that i believe are so important, such as: 1) Violent games industry 2) The amount of time most of the people spend watching trash/meaningless content such as cats videos, or on social media...Yuval concerns about the future of education of the kids...that thing about artificial inteligence knowing you better than yourself... The term that comes to my mind it's "Natural selection" - If you choose to spend most of the time, consuming meaningless content, the algorythm will learn that and keep feeding you with more nonsense content. Also the opposite is truth. I believe in the future, we won't need to go after a job. the companies will go after us, since they will know us better than we do, based on how we use technology and the use we make out of it.
Harari is interesting and Friedman is difficult to take. He gives pompousness a bad name.Harari is also simplistic. The idea that the machines will know us better than we know ourselves seems an unproven speculation. However his sense of the deep uncertainty regarding humanity's future seems correct.
These AIs are getting really good. Facebook can work out your psychological profile on the basis of 5 "likes" on their website. It's gone much farther than people realise, research it (before it researches you lol)
The discussion is truly worthwhile watching. Both of them are Masters in their own spheres. Harari is as usual at his clinical best. I would have agreed more to Mr Friedman if could able to give examples beyond America. Many of his arguments does not fit beyond America. I understand that he was talking on the upside (on accelerated change in technology, etc), but are less implementable or pragmatic in third world countries. I think Mr Harari is bang on most of the issues discussed. I see this way. If technology has solved most of the problems of humans and presume that it made sapien's life more comfortable, then why most of the Humans are not Happy ??
To prevent depression , on every day living , I think about what Friedman believes , and to prevent nativity , stupidity in long term ,I need to remember what prof. Harari believes !
I love how Harari calls Friedman on the greatness of his eternal learner's utopia. "Yes, we're headed there, but it sounds awfully stressful". Friedman is smart b ut his constant self-promotion is so tiring.
Major takeaway from Friedman's part: The term 'social contract' has been redefined to mean: AT&T employees will have to die from sleep deprivation and stress-related disease before the age of 40.
I just opted for being a bit less blunt about it. Still, it's stunning to watch someone describing the way to some exploitation-driven dystopia while being completely unaware of it (hint: judging by facial expressions, one participant in the conversation noticed this). It's one of those cases where one seriously wonders if Friedman is just a little slow in general or if this is one of the exceptions where using the term 'brain-washed' is actually justified.
What he's advocating is a form of social darwinism, repackaged as "meritocracy" and "diversity". The majority will end up living a precarious hand-to-mouth existence in his liberal utopia, while his ilk reap all the gains of the new, slavery-maximising technologies.
You're on drugs, right? He is simplistic, agenda driven, too subjective, lacks vision himself and is too vague and all over the place intellectually. No penetration, no disciplined thinking, weak polemics. Sounds good to the uninformed, but is a lightweight. Uninteresting thinker.
It's difficult to write a critique without being critical. To be constructive, one might say to Friedman; talk slower, stop using God and America as your frame of reference, try to include all people and the whole planet instead of a few corporate anecdotes. This is just my honest observation, not a slam on Friedman. I've liked some of Friedman's speeches in the past.
Nuclear War, Global Warming and the impact of AI/Machine Learning on our way of life are solid topics. How to get to a place where strategic planning works in a Liberal Democracy is a good topic. Pretending that bad things can’t or won’t happen in 20 years give the trend we see today is a bad solution strategy. Yelling profanities is a poor tacit. Calm listening and thoughtful response might help. Public conversation is a necessity. Civil conversation is the only hope for us to test ideas and address public issues. Many ideas will fall by the wayside. Some will help to show us the way. Let’s hang together and see public issues through. Let’s not quit or give up. That won’t work...
Its not a lack of ideas . What is needed is a galvanizing force for the 'collective will' to steer us globally towards the common good . Many people now admit that Liberal Democracy has failed and is failing .
Thank you 😊. Trying in short words. From you came to the World 🌎, you’re all equally as Human. What’s it mean of differences is cultural, religious beliefs language and your surroundings with environmental. The most problems in my mind from the kiddies were why do they kill each other’s? Why’d have Warship? What’s wrong with skinny?? As we are Humans. I am Buddhist. I would like to know what’s the differences in detail of each religious beliefs. I picked up and learned the lessons of this the campus . I found no differences in the truth of each other’s beliefs since every religious taught us that To be a good generously with helping with compassion. No take trouble for each other’s . Why’d we referred as the Buddhist, the Christian and any. Since we don’t practice as God taught us. It’s man making way to Wars. How’s your doing in opposite? Everything is good going togetherness when you get wisdom of the cores in Respect Beliefs and practice.In my question I don’t think 🤔 the leadership political policies to point us with no morals but the Armed, could these differences ethnic get to the point of Overwhelming Powerful? We’re not the slavery in Power. For AI, I have just told you that it’s the tools, the ways of communication that brings us together nearly. How’s good feeling to share good things together. If’s it’s useful to all. But me, the Fool in computer science. There are many friends to support Peacefully for everyone. I would like to thank you 🙏🏼. It’s just my accidentally to touch them . But how’s enjoying togetherness. Next, Environment saving, when you look around you’re, there are in changing to your life, in everyday life made you addicted in rushing ways and produce more garbage especially Plastics. How’s much going on to get recycling? Just One straw took time 200 years to resolving. How much a day all over take it. Throwing. I read and we all saw and how’s pitying the sea lives had the plastic the died. How’s about the future food? To our next generations. Don’t hesitate to saving. Finally, the next generations, I couldn’t change anyone’s, advice you as genders. For me it’s your character not your inners. Don’t worry. Life’s not only roses petals soft , smooth and the bright shining to you no matter what’s ever going it’s yours to pick and fight on. I hope the good news for you. If I can it’s your ours Future I tried with your. I finished with one sentence I have read . Are You trying to be as human as you could be? ✨ Be together with UN in Multi ethnic society togetherness 😃. Let’s make it real. Thank goodness saving lives for us. 🙏🏼
I wonder why you must contrast the 2. Both are gentlemen. Seeking a solution to who we are. What are the Chinese thinking. What are the darn people of corporate America and then what Are you and I thinking? What are the youngsters thinking? What are we all thinking?
Maybe note consiusnesly great set up of two differen personalities. Harari shows future Friedman past. It is important that we realise that and choose the right road as a single but thinking about all humananity future challenges. For me is clear..
Yuval is a super computer possesing unlimited information at his finger tips.! Outstanding.! Our Politicans could have possesed fraction of this ability, I think our world have been much better place. Right now It is the Greatest Mess.!
There cannot be a humanity as such that we can define as a constant reality because of the nature of human existence. We are a complex and combined existence of a physical body and a shadow self(ego) moving with an intellectual sense of conscience and an emotional sense of mind. Being an empty self, we have to fill it with meaningful life. That is what we all try to do in our personal ways of creating the reality from being the mystery.
I watch this and all I can think is Friedman needs to meditate for two hours a day. He seems so anxious and non self aware. Harari definitely has a better grasp of the issues we will deal with in the future.
Is Friedman on sales tour selling his books and companies and their products? For every good idea he gives he advertises something, he lost me. Contrast that with Yuval, such an intelligent wise man full of original ideas
These comments are refreshingly smart and thoughtful. Yes, Friedman is old and has a lot of cute predigested soundbites, but he's well versed and makes some good points. Harari is an academician. He's better read, less cliche in his thinking, and a bit younger. I find it encouraging that the next generation is smarter and better informed than my own.
Harari is an amazing and honest historian therefore not a hypocrite by profession. He doesn't mind who wins the election and who doesn't. He doesn't need a better job he already has an honorable one. So he doesn't advertise himself saying how such good human being he is. And on top of everything else he understands the real cause and the direction and the path where humanity is walking through.
He's a "Fast talker", with triplets like "faster, better, stronger" made me think of a car salesman right away. It's a style that's taught in school. Not serving him well in this situation because the stakes are so high. Humanity is on the line. Chirpy optimism comes off as flippant, insincere.
I think we need to divide up skills into mini units that an employer sets as 'required knowledge' for each job. Want to be a designer for Boeing? You will need unit 48,993, 200, 10 and 6., Want to be a graphic designer for XXX company? You will need 48, 993, 200, 12 and 7. Hence, to move from the one career to the other requires learning for unit 12 and 7. You find new careers/ increased pay based on how few units you need to transfer across. When employers need bigger moves (because there's a shortage of ppl in a field, they have to pay more to entice ppl to learn more units (or harder ones) Publish the data every month for the supply/demand ratio for each job type (nationally) and let ppl's self motivation and desire to change their lifestyle drive them to learn. Put all the units up online for free. Open halls for monitored exams for the final tests for each unit.
Professor Harari, I admire you so much. Your broad understanding of the planet and urge human race to face the future really blow my mind. When you said the political leaders of US, Russia, Israel etc are tend to go back to the past while China is the only country looking at the future and doing things for the future. I'm very thrilled to hear that not just because I'm Chinese but more importantly the recognition of our leader's vision. I really hope our planet will have a sustainable future for human race, what we are doing now will have a impact to the future, we should all try individually to contribute good impacts to the planet!
Acquario is the era of commumities, if communities do gather together with the external aim of achivieng the goal of saving Hummanity, then the new era shall attain its own goal, and every thing will be Ok. I think that Harari here in front of Friedman, an utmost materialistic individual, is losing himself. Yuval is not materialistic he is rather a spiritual person that looks at things in utterly the opposite way
A good way to "get out from under" some of our daily problems is stop reacting to everything that occurs!!! Cheers from Central America! the beautiful! Guatemala city!
I didn't think it was possible but Yuval look even more intelligent and profound than he normally sounds. Or maybe its just that Friedman keeps blabbering inane stuff about AT&T and uploading pictures on social media :/
Yuval comes out much wiser than Friedman here, who’s comes on as a self absorbed salesman peddling himself his ego & his own brand of memography! (I coined a bee word here).
We see the difference between a true intellectual and someone, lacks on intellectuality, is not able to understand cause-effect relationship, arrogantly keeps repeating how important and successful he is.
The liberals are unable to engage in a real conversation without trashing Trump; he is one of the best Presidents this country ever had. Yuval, you are a genius and great books.
Yuval's ending marks was cut short. I doubt he simply meant journalism is important though. It's so much easier to manipulate narrative and opinions with modern technologies now.
How Friedman interrupted Harari when he was talking about the problem of lacking a self motivation ... and then jumped to Algorthim talk is really silly thing to do for listner trying to follow the talk and learn from it.
Internet will make the world a one big better place.... It just takes time... Whenever new people interact with each other for the first time, there are always frictions.... But understanding comes very soon after that... I predict all the online hate will subside within next 5 years.
Our instincts are our true purpose for Being! Groovism unites humanity through our musical instinct. Our musical instinct going global will empower this instinct, as has been found from the mob mentality. Although virtually gathered, instinctively we will all begin to create miraculous things.
That was amazing! It's now 6:13AM and I found myself stimulated and hanging on almost every word two guys sitting in chairs had to say. Whoever was responsible for putting together this discussion and getting it on you tube, thank you!
A brilliant discussion from such different viewpoints... thank you for posting this.
Wow. That was fascinating, from two men I have admired for a long time. Now I'll do something I've never done--rarely with books, never with video: listen to it again. Thank you so much, gentlemen and excellent moderator. (I'm from the US, living for 50 years in Israel.)
I find it fascinating how many comments are rooting for Yuval, as if he was their home team, and this was a competition... I think you're missing the point if you think this was a debate or that one person is better than the other. Two different people with two different skill sets and knowledge bases, discussing complex issues and each offering a different perspective than the other. Between those two there is a lot of good information and I am sure both people find the other to be intelligent and helpful in spreading knowledge. Moving beyond the mindset of rooting for the home team, or needing to win over another is critical in moving forward as a species, and I think both speakers would agree.
You Grant the speakers the right to different perspectives but not the audience.? I certainly recognize your point though. The discussion has more depth with the contrasting of the two.
Couldn't disagree more, all I herd was balanced thought from one side, and name calling and demagoguery from the other. Any persons whome would condem patriots and nationalist as racist have no place.
You are simply genius, sir!
I was thinking the same thing.
It's a vey common phenomena though. Whenever there are more than 1 person in a video people always compare.
Well and truly stated :-) I totally agree.
A very good conversation between two persons who actually think before they talk. Brilliant minds.
Appreciate Harari's work to bring people into the debate!
This is a good video for anyone that works for a living in this world and parents to tell to their children. I would have been better off if me and my parents had heard this back when I was in grade school. The same for many others as well, as then we would know that me or them would be far better off in not getting advanced degrees. Don't get me wrong education is very important, but when the skills needed are always changing, that required a more adaptable form of education. As wasting years on college, and then what you have learned is not useful in the world today. Waste of time and money for a piece of paper that is kind of like a boy scouts badge to people that know nothing about the boy scouts.
Fantastic to have both of them together !
To me this was an astonishingly insightful experience with two men of immense intelligence and different backgrounds offering their views for the benefit of the viewers. I loved it and I thank the New York Times and KZclip for making it available. More please!
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So enlightening and clear language from both giants about what concerns us all.
Harari will get Noble prize soon.
He explain everything in a simple way, very real guy
@Ved people like Friedman are paving the way to split humanity in to 2 group one civilized and highly advanced the other savages and primitive to the point of having bread to eat would be a dream come true for them. slave masters appear powerful when they are surrounded by there slaves, It is Time for Abraham Lincoln to shine today.
@matin mohebi Yuval didnt say that, Friedman did
@Gym Pump when a grown man admits that his brain gets sucked out by Trump he must not have had brain to begin with.
@matin mohebi albert einstein “If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.”
because he is a simpleton
Also, some of us enjoy being mavericks and have observed that history is full of people who pursued strange interests that could not be categorized at the time, sometimes because they didn't pursue what was available, were stopped from pursuing what they loved to do at one time, had a spiritual or cosmic experience, and endless etceteras. The predicted reliance on AI to tell us who we are and to direct society in deep ways will likely just make us all more homogeneous, less interesting, and less creative.
The scariest thing isn't the outside world, it's our mind! Currently we still couldn't understand how our consciousness work and it's the biggest problem we are gonna face together.
IN LISTENING TO YUVAL, IT WAS LIKE LISTENING TO MYSELF IN MANY WAYS AS I HAVE EXPRESSED MANY OF THE WORLD / COSMIC VIEWPOINTS AND SOLUTIONS EXPRESSED IN THIS DIALOGUE ! I AM ENCOURAGED IN WITNESSING THIS EMERGING MORE VIABLE COHERENT AND ENLIGHTENING SOLUTION FOR THE FUTURE SURVIVAL OF HUMANITY AND ALL LIFE ON OUR SHARED WORLD ! BRAVO YUVAL !
One of the reasons Harari is so incisive in his speech and thinking is that he spends up to 60 days each year in meditation retreat. Yuval’s fans might want to know where his clarity and calm come from. He is able to say “I don’t know” about the future, yet observe, spot deep structure, and give us lean insights.
The contrast between Harrari and Friedman is very helpful for identifying real scientific analysis vs memorized bag of flashy jargon.
Spoken directly with insight
Although I too feel his ego was running his verbiage
Thanksgivings
@Frank Chan Harari, of course
@Peter BeginnerDad so funny
I am thankful for your comment + 26 likes. That gives me hope that i have more chances of getting a job than 27 people. When
somebody puts together the words historian and "real scientific analysis", i know i am in a good position. Don't get me wrong though. i loved Yuval Noah Harari talk .
I agree. Harari is a good showman and book-seller. However, only Friedman makes me learn new stuff about the world. I love him on ecology, China, Middle East, economy, coal, America, Trump, you name it. As for Harari, he keeps claiming I am ruled by the algorithms. How come I found this conference that I wanted to find. Should not some algorithm work on my head to make sure I cast the right vote in the next election? Last but not least: Harari is a pessimist. I love those rosy pictures from Friedman. He is on the dot!
Most relevant and fresh analysis VS motivational speaker from the world of Office Space
Thomas L. Friedman... an actor Yuval Noah Harari... a thinker
Lol yessss
Aside from his amazing breadth of knowledge/understanding, Harari seems genuinely concerned/empathetic about humanity's future. He wants us to make the right choices in the aggregate. Friedman might as well be a paid corporate lobbyist. His vibe is flat like his book.
Friedman's intellectual dishonesty (or blindness) is embarrassing. Yuval is a self reflective giant .... Hate to be so negative, but the difference between the two is obvious.
Well said
Genius Yuval with these 2 in the "New York Times"! haha It´s like time travel for him. I liked the light trick they tried to put them all at the same "special" level. He didn´t let them have even that
Yuval, you are so brilliant! Thank you!
I'm so proud of you Professor Harari for every single contribution you has done in our lives. I would like to listen each class and every lesson you have prepared for us and I'm honored to appreciate and recognize the embodied meaningful speech you graciously presents to humanity. And for that I'd like to say - thank you Professor Yuval Noah Harari !!!👏👏👏
you should wake Up to the truth instead of wasting life with egotistic fantasies , .. (::)
Good debate with 2 points of view, from 2 excellent speakers and thinkers. In terms of style, Yuval wins, while Friedman seems too chatty.
Understanding more and Fearing Less: Thank you both for an interesting talk, hopefully we'll heed to Listen.
If you only care about Yuval and not the others.
Yuval on the Global Agenda: 0:53
Yuval on the Mother Nature: 16:36
Yuval on the Present Situation: 18:55
Yuval on the Adaptation to modern fast changes and dangers of personal data analysis and discrimination: 33:00
Yuval continuing on the dangers of personal data analysis: 43:44
Yuval on the Complexity of today's cause-effect system: 54:41
(Yuval being aware of our online cat video spam phenomena: 59:49 just kidding)
Yuval on Pessimism, Optimism and the duality of whats important in different places at one time on the unfold of history: 1:09:00
Yuval on his next book (which is out) "21st lessons for the 21 century": 1:14:00
Yuval last comments on the last election and journalism: 1:22:15
Thank you! Amazing!
Awesome! Thanks!!
Unsung hero
you are the best, thanks!
Listening to Friedman sitting beside Harari, couldn't help but think "artificial" intelligence has another meaning.
@Lois Sharbel he was giving up too much truth and insider info........
"AI" means.... whatever the end result need for their desired outcome. It doesn't have to be intelligent, it doesn't have to be JUST, moral or fair. It's simply the end result that they chose to program and select for to meet their particular agenda
Yes.
...and how are the homeless doing where you are.???
Yuval Noah Harari and Thomas L. Friedman great discussion. I was astonished by so many negative comments about Thomas L. Friedman. They are different characters with different personalities. Yuval it's more of a humble guy. Friedman maybe not so much, but i don't understand lots of hate comments on him. First time Friedman got my attention was a speech at Yale university. That was an eye opening speech. But anyways, what strikes me the most is, on a discussion about "The Future of Humanity" they haven't talked about many topics that i believe are so important, such as:
1) Violent games industry
2) The amount of time most of the people spend watching trash/meaningless content such as cats videos, or on social media...Yuval concerns about the future of education of the kids...that thing about artificial inteligence knowing you better than yourself...
The term that comes to my mind it's "Natural selection" - If you choose to spend most of the time, consuming meaningless content, the algorythm will learn that and keep feeding you with more nonsense content. Also the opposite is truth. I believe in the future, we won't need to go after a job. the companies will go after us, since they will know us better than we do, based on how we use technology and the use we make out of it.
Harari is interesting and Friedman is difficult to take. He gives pompousness a bad name.Harari is also simplistic. The idea that the machines will know us better than we know ourselves seems an unproven speculation. However his sense of the deep uncertainty regarding humanity's future seems correct.
These AIs are getting really good. Facebook can work out your psychological profile on the basis of 5 "likes" on their website.
It's gone much farther than people realise, research it (before it researches you lol)
The discussion is truly worthwhile watching. Both of them are Masters in their own spheres. Harari is as usual at his clinical best. I would have agreed more to Mr Friedman if could able to give examples beyond America. Many of his arguments does not fit beyond America. I understand that he was talking on the upside (on accelerated change in technology, etc), but are less implementable or pragmatic in third world countries.
I think Mr Harari is bang on most of the issues discussed.
I see this way. If technology has solved most of the problems of humans and presume that it made sapien's life more comfortable, then why most of the Humans are not Happy ??
Yuval is genius
Yuval is the first member of the useless class.
O? Pardon me your majesty! You is- A- great grass fed monarch!
To prevent depression , on every day living , I think about what Friedman believes , and to prevent nativity , stupidity in long term ,I need to remember what prof. Harari believes !
I love how Harari calls Friedman on the greatness of his eternal learner's utopia. "Yes, we're headed there, but it sounds awfully stressful". Friedman is smart b ut his constant self-promotion is so tiring.
Friedman will never know how much a gallon of gas is... Or can he afford food... yuppie
I truly believe that human beings have already evolved out of this planet atleast once, while the rest of us were left behind.
I admire him !! He is brilliant!!!
Major takeaway from Friedman's part:
The term 'social contract' has been redefined to mean: AT&T employees will have to die from sleep deprivation and stress-related disease before the age of 40.
😥
I just opted for being a bit less blunt about it. Still, it's stunning to watch someone describing the way to some exploitation-driven dystopia while being completely unaware of it (hint: judging by facial expressions, one participant in the conversation noticed this). It's one of those cases where one seriously wonders if Friedman is just a little slow in general or if this is one of the exceptions where using the term 'brain-washed' is actually justified.
What he's advocating is a form of social darwinism, repackaged as "meritocracy" and "diversity". The majority will end up living a precarious hand-to-mouth existence in his liberal utopia, while his ilk reap all the gains of the new, slavery-maximising technologies.
Great ideas to think about!
The look on Yuval when the host cut him short at the end 😂
Well observed! She must have felt his reproaching look, so she could have apologized but didn't.
I am not a big fan of the NYT but Thomas L. Friedman seems like a nice guy. In times of change you need calm people.
Friedman's optimism is flexible enough to support any war that the Pentagon wants.
What role does imagination play in this and how does it work to connect with the reality of the world as it races forward?
I enjoy watching brilliant minds collide.
One cannot underestimate the power of Yuval's meditative practices when it comes to his salient cognitive abilities and overall awareness.
Did you mean 'overestimate'?
You're on drugs, right? He is simplistic, agenda driven, too subjective, lacks vision himself and is too vague and all over the place intellectually. No penetration, no disciplined thinking, weak polemics. Sounds good to the uninformed, but is a lightweight. Uninteresting thinker.
Everyone, you don't have to insult someone to emphasize the greatness of someone.
Yuval Harari would never appreciate that.
It's difficult to write a critique without being critical. To be constructive, one might say to Friedman; talk slower, stop using God and America as your frame of reference, try to include all people and the whole planet instead of a few corporate anecdotes. This is just my honest observation, not a slam on Friedman. I've liked some of Friedman's speeches in the past.
@Colin McCavitt Lol
@SDPRZ totally
No we're not insulting him purely out of love for Harari but because he's a charlatan.
@andthereisntone Agreed. Friendman is a dinosaur.
Yuval is deep thought, bare to the bone
Freidman good story teller. Yuval talks sensible things
I've never heard Friedman make a prediction based on his assessment of the present and not be wrong.
I'd love to see that list. It be a great counter point to his incessant anecdotes.
Nuclear War, Global Warming and the impact of AI/Machine Learning on our way of life are solid topics. How to get to a place where strategic planning works in a Liberal Democracy is a good topic. Pretending that bad things can’t or won’t happen in 20 years give the trend we see today is a bad solution strategy. Yelling profanities is a poor tacit. Calm listening and thoughtful response might help. Public conversation is a necessity. Civil conversation is the only hope for us to test ideas and address public issues. Many ideas will fall by the wayside. Some will help to show us the way. Let’s hang together and see public issues through. Let’s not quit or give up. That won’t work...
Its not a lack of ideas . What is needed is a galvanizing force for the 'collective will' to steer us globally towards the common good .
Many people now admit that Liberal Democracy has failed and is failing .
I am watching it in July, 2020. Two years after this talk, the discussion is more insightful.
Thank you 😊. Trying in short words.
From you came to the World 🌎, you’re all equally as Human. What’s it mean of differences is cultural, religious beliefs language and your surroundings with environmental.
The most problems in my mind from the kiddies were why do they kill each other’s? Why’d have Warship? What’s wrong with skinny?? As we are Humans.
I am Buddhist. I would like to know what’s the differences in detail of each religious beliefs. I picked up and learned the lessons of this the campus . I found no differences in the truth of each other’s beliefs since every religious taught us that To be a good generously with helping with compassion. No take trouble for each other’s . Why’d we referred as the Buddhist, the Christian and any. Since we don’t practice as God taught us. It’s man making way to Wars. How’s your doing in opposite? Everything is good going togetherness when you get wisdom of the cores in Respect Beliefs and practice.In my question I don’t think 🤔 the leadership political policies to point us with no morals but the Armed, could these differences ethnic get to the point of Overwhelming Powerful? We’re not the slavery in Power.
For AI, I have just told you that it’s the tools, the ways of communication that brings us together nearly. How’s good feeling to share good things together. If’s it’s useful to all. But me, the Fool in computer science. There are many friends to support Peacefully for everyone. I would like to thank you 🙏🏼. It’s just my accidentally to touch them . But how’s enjoying togetherness.
Next, Environment saving, when you look around you’re, there are in changing to your life, in everyday life made you addicted in rushing ways and produce more garbage especially Plastics. How’s much going on to get recycling? Just One straw took time 200 years to resolving. How much a day all over take it. Throwing. I read and we all saw and how’s pitying the sea lives had the plastic the died. How’s about the future food? To our next generations. Don’t hesitate to saving.
Finally, the next generations, I couldn’t change anyone’s, advice you as genders. For me it’s your character not your inners. Don’t worry. Life’s not only roses petals soft , smooth and the bright shining to you no matter what’s ever going it’s yours to pick and fight on. I hope the good news for you. If I can it’s your ours Future I tried with your.
I finished with one sentence I have read . Are You trying to be as human as you could be? ✨
Be together with UN in Multi ethnic society togetherness 😃.
Let’s make it real.
Thank goodness saving lives for us. 🙏🏼
I wonder why you must contrast the 2. Both are gentlemen. Seeking a solution to who we are.
What are the Chinese thinking. What are the darn people of corporate America and then what
Are you and I thinking? What are the youngsters thinking? What are we all thinking?
Friedman: “The glass is half full”. Harari: “The glass is half terrifying”
There's this amazingly smart human on this planet. His name is Yuval Noah Harari.
Maybe note consiusnesly great set up of two differen personalities. Harari shows future Friedman past. It is important that we realise that and choose the right road as a single but thinking about all humananity future challenges. For me is clear..
Yuval is a super computer possesing unlimited information at his finger tips.! Outstanding.! Our Politicans could have possesed fraction of this ability, I think our world have
been much better place. Right now It is the Greatest Mess.!
ThisThomas Friedman guy sure does like speaking in metaphors... He spins his stories like a grandfather and not like a journalist;)
Thank you. More please.
Two smart people opining on the world. What a treat!
Good discussion!
Liked very much what Friedman said about adaptive communities!
...and if they don't adapt, let them die (and eat cake)!
Yes, let's impel everyone to constantly adapt to the needs of capital - wonderful!
There cannot be a humanity as such that we can define as a constant reality because of the nature of human existence.
We are a complex and combined existence of a physical body and a shadow self(ego) moving with an intellectual sense of conscience and an emotional sense of mind.
Being an empty self, we have to fill it with meaningful life. That is what we all try to do in our personal ways of creating the reality from being the mystery.
I watch this and all I can think is Friedman needs to meditate for two hours a day. He seems so anxious and non self aware. Harari definitely has a better grasp of the issues we will deal with in the future.
Harari is remarkable when it comes to packing wisdom in so few words.
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@Rascal Kr what a representative observation of you ❤
Self-appointed pundit versus serious scholar.
Is Friedman on sales tour selling his books and companies and their products? For every good idea he gives he advertises something, he lost me. Contrast that with Yuval, such an intelligent wise man full of original ideas
Thomas’s frame of reference- 1960-today.
Harari’s frame of reference: last 10,000 years.
These comments are refreshingly smart and thoughtful. Yes, Friedman is old and has a lot of cute predigested soundbites, but he's well versed and makes some good points. Harari is an academician. He's better read, less cliche in his thinking, and a bit younger. I find it encouraging that the next generation is smarter and better informed than my own.
Yuval is brilliant, and nice.
He's awesome!
Mind blowing. Futuristic but not fictional
Harari is an amazing and honest historian therefore not a hypocrite by profession. He doesn't mind who wins the election and who doesn't. He doesn't need a better job he already has an honorable one. So he doesn't advertise himself saying how such good human being he is. And on top of everything else he understands the real cause and the direction and the path where humanity is walking through.
Honestly?
Friedman is a corporate tool and Mr. Justin Lee Miller's comment on Friedman being a "car salesman persona" is right on.
He's a "Fast talker", with triplets like "faster, better, stronger" made me think of a car salesman right away. It's a style that's taught in school. Not serving him well in this situation because the stakes are so high. Humanity is on the line. Chirpy optimism comes off as flippant, insincere.
this comment was spot on.
Great comments Thomas, thank you
Harari dictates while appearing to be informed, charming & helpful. And because he's informed, charming & helpful, never gets challenged.
I like Yuval Harari , i have learnt alot from him
Fun. I enjoyed listening to both especially Thomas Friedman
What scares me the most is that nowadays nobody knows what to teach children either at home or in schools...
I think we need to divide up skills into mini units that an employer sets as 'required knowledge' for each job.
Want to be a designer for Boeing? You will need unit 48,993, 200, 10 and 6., Want to be a graphic designer for XXX company? You will need 48, 993, 200, 12 and 7. Hence, to move from the one career to the other requires learning for unit 12 and 7. You find new careers/ increased pay based on how few units you need to transfer across. When employers need bigger moves (because there's a shortage of ppl in a field, they have to pay more to entice ppl to learn more units (or harder ones)
Publish the data every month for the supply/demand ratio for each job type (nationally) and let ppl's self motivation and desire to change their lifestyle drive them to learn.
Put all the units up online for free. Open halls for monitored exams for the final tests for each unit.
Professor Harari, I admire you so much. Your broad understanding of the planet and urge human race to face the future really blow my mind. When you said the political leaders of US, Russia, Israel etc are tend to go back to the past while China is the only country looking at the future and doing things for the future. I'm very thrilled to hear that not just because I'm Chinese but more importantly the recognition of our leader's vision. I really hope our planet will have a sustainable future for human race, what we are doing now will have a impact to the future, we should all try individually to contribute good impacts to the planet!
Harari's arguments are profound.
Yes, Harari thinks in 1,000 year cycles
He is just brilliant
Harari and Chomsky... bring it on... please!
AND Mark Lynas author of 6 degrees with either of them!!
Chomsky needs to just relax and enjoy life before he checks out.
Cesar Rodriguez Chomsky is like Keith Richards. He will love forever.
Would be cool if they talked together.
Friedman loves himself ... but would the NYT algorithm say he is on top of his game???
thanks, good to continue this now and later
absolutely superb.. repeat.. what minds.. mama mia..
He has one of the coolest accents I've ever heard.
Acquario is the era of commumities, if communities do gather together with the external aim of achivieng the goal of saving Hummanity, then the new era shall attain its own goal, and every thing will be Ok. I think that Harari here in front of Friedman, an utmost materialistic individual, is losing himself. Yuval is not materialistic he is rather a spiritual person that looks at things in utterly the opposite way
I love the way prof.Harari think about the concepts like Mother Nature ! He reminds me of pragmatists like Peirce nd Wittgenstein .
Great Conversation.
A good way to "get out from under" some of our daily problems is stop reacting to everything that occurs!!! Cheers from Central America! the beautiful! Guatemala city!
I didn't think it was possible but Yuval look even more intelligent and profound than he normally sounds. Or maybe its just that Friedman keeps blabbering inane stuff about AT&T and uploading pictures on social media :/
hahhaha
Lol
Yuval . . “No stories” . . Friedman . . “Only stories”
Yuval comes out much wiser than Friedman here, who’s comes on as a self absorbed salesman peddling himself his ego & his own brand of memography! (I coined a bee word here).
מפגש מרתק ומשכיל !!!
We see the difference between a true intellectual and someone, lacks on intellectuality, is not able to understand cause-effect relationship, arrogantly keeps repeating how important and successful he is.
Exactly. Friedman is not on par here.
Mr. Harari,, is much more of a human being of the humanity
The liberals are unable to engage in a real conversation without trashing Trump; he is one of the best Presidents this country ever had. Yuval, you are a genius and great books.
Friedman is very witty.
Freedman is analyzing past, Harrari predicts a future, and does it very scientifically.
Friedman adds the reality of optimism in how movements begin from his uniquely Midwest Jewish American roots. The two played off each other well.
Yuval's ending marks was cut short. I doubt he simply meant journalism is important though. It's so much easier to manipulate narrative and opinions with modern technologies now.
I think the audience was of journalists
_Please add English subtitles..._
Yuval is so funny...
How Friedman interrupted Harari when he was talking about the problem of lacking a self motivation ... and then jumped to Algorthim talk is really silly thing to do for listner trying to follow the talk and learn from it.
I’ll be honest. I’m surprised I haven’t yet seen an AI-Robot roaming down my street. Can’t wait to see that.
Internet will make the world a one big better place.... It just takes time... Whenever new people interact with each other for the first time, there are always frictions.... But understanding comes very soon after that... I predict all the online hate will subside within next 5 years.
Our instincts are our true purpose for Being! Groovism unites humanity through our musical instinct. Our musical instinct going global will empower this instinct, as has been found from the mob mentality. Although virtually gathered, instinctively we will all begin to create miraculous things.
Yuval is the man!
Mr. Friedman, what does "Applied Hope" means. Can you guide me to the info? Thanks.