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In Fellowship of the Ring, Sean Bean has about 25 minutes of screen time. In that time, Boromir is initially established as a dutiful servant of Gondor, a battle weary warrior fed up with the lords of the lands kept safe by his people, a doubter of Aragorn, and someone with honorable desires upon The Ring. He's dismissive, weathered, prickly, and even a bit defeatist when the scale of the task is laid before the group. He's then shown teaching Merri and Pippin to fight, through encouragement and light-hearted instruction. He's horrified when he accidentally hurts Pippin, because his intention is to teach not humiliate or discourage them. So he's absolutely joyous when the hobbits gang up, shrug it off, and tackle him in good humour. This tells us a lot about Boromir as a person without needing to lean on dialogue-heavy explanations. Heck, it isn't even the main focus of the scene, but it's there, happening nicely in the background, laying the groundwork for his and the hobbits' characters. It shows us, gently, that even though he's doubtful about their mission, Boromir takes the initiative and recognises where his party needs to level up, and does it without making them feel small. He builds bonds that he knows will make the group stronger. Bear this moment in mind when you consider Galadriel's scene in RoP, where she, as the superior swords person, is tasked with instructing the Numenorean recruits and what her actions tell us about her character. Anyway, Boromir falls deeper under the influence of the Ring, but the film also shows him standing his ground and being brave against the Moria hordes and at every turn when the group need him. When the Fellowship is fleeing the Balrog and the staircase is collapsing, he instinctively grabs Merri and Pippin and, without a word, he leaps them both to safety, again establishing his big brother relationship with them. It's such a small detail but it's so consistent as it quietly builds his bond with those hobbits in particular and it's especially interesting to see him do it after Legolas, and even Gandalf, have jumped alone. All shown to you through small details and interactions that involve very little dialogue. All action. All intent. All with purpose and meaning. After Gandalf falls, Boromir pleads with Aragorn for more time just to let the hobbits grieve. He's compassionate, emotional, and caring. He is miles away from the dismissive, prickly presence he was at the Council of Elrond. He's truly a part of this Fellowship now, and he has a bond with the hobbits that goes beyond duty. It shows Boromir, while a good leader, also maybe thinks with his heart when he should think with his head, whereas Aragorn is more pragmatic and, in a way, ruthless. Both display different sorts of strength, but the situation calls for one over the other. And while Boromir protests, he doesn't argue further once Aragorn has made his reasoning clear. THAT also tells us a lot about both men. Boromir is revealed to be an incredibly layered human being, one who is brave, loyal, caring, passionate and patriotic, but the burden of his father's failing rule and the pressure of protecting his people is crushing him. Haunting him. That is on full display at the Council, during his first temptation on the mountainside, and when he breaks down after Galadriel looks right into his soul and shakes him to his core. And it's that very thing, that incredibly noble desire to see darkness and ruin expelled from Gondor that is his undoing. That desire is the ring's way in. He finally falls to temptation and this one moment of weakness almost destroys him, but rather than wallow in his failings, he rallies. He does all he can do to repent, and rescues Merri and Pippin in a desperate attempt to regain who he was. And he is struck down. His first words to Aragorn while he lies dying are to alert him that the Uruks have Merri and Pippin. His second statement is his confession that he tried to take the ring. He is broken, dying, and guilt-ridden, but still trying to protect the hobbits and act with honor. Then before he dies, in his last breath, he accepts Aragorn as his king and makes sure Aragorn knows it. Because Boromir has only ever wanted one thing - the strength to defend his people. And now, he sees that strength might exist in Aragorn, and he knows saying the words will help make Aragorn a stronger leader going forward. He now has hope even in his darkest moment, when he began the story defeatist, bitter, and hopeless. Boromir does all he can until the end, despite his flaws and failures. He's no longer the dismissive and doubtful captain of Gondor, but a man who calls Aragorn his brother, his captain, and the king he trusts to bring glory back to his people. It's a breath-taking moment. Resonant. Earnest. Earned. They accomplish all that, that entire emotional journey, that rise, fall, and rise again for his character, in 25 minutes of screen time. Now look at RoP. Galadriel is exactly the same callous, single-minded, revenge-driven asshole at the end of the series as she was in ep1. Actually, no. She's worse. Because now, she has actually discovered who the enemy is and smoked out his intentions... and chooses to tell no one. All to protect her own reputation. All so she can maintain an air of authority and superiority over her peers, because if they knew the truth, her name would be mud, and she'd be nowhere near the decisions taken to forge the rings, how many there'd be, and who'd get to bear them. She shouldn't be like this. I don't think they meant for her to be like this. Her character writing feels shallow, rushed, and poorly thought out and now, there's a big disconnect between how the audiences feels about her and what the writers intended. She tells other characters to be humble, while she's brash, condescending, and arrogant. She tells others not to pursue vengeance when that's all she cares about pursuing. She talks about the importance of saving lives in the Southlands, but she's never shown saving a single person. She's shown threatening to torture and murder Adar's orcs if she doesn't get her way and she's shown walking away from the volcano blast when others are screaming around her, begging for help. Then the showrunners assert that if you don't find yourself liking her, or find yourself uninterested in her character, it's your fault. You're the problem. She's not like Boromir. Not written like him. Not developed like him. Not treated with the same care, thought, and humanity his character was treated with. She's a statue, standing still in spiteful, vengeful self-righteous self-service. Just like she was at the beginning of the series. Nine hours ago. With over THREE hours of screen time just for her where her character barely moves at all, and the actress is given nearly nothing to do in terms of range, humanity, or even basic heroism. This issue isn't unique to Galadriel. In fact, no characters in RoP have changed or grown or shown any depth at all throughout this first season. How could they? We know so little about most of them to begin with, never mind how they might have transformed or grown, that they come off as one-dimensional NPCs who exist to move the plot along, who make baffling decisions because the story has to happen, with no agency or impetus to their actions. Except maybe Durin, I'll give them Durin. He does seem to go through something of a journey with his father, Disa, and his place in the kingdom... and then his storyline is ignored in the finale. And then of course, there's the bloody bad guy. Sauron gets more development and "growth" than Galadriel, Elendil, or Isildur. That's... wow. Some of the actors are trying their hearts out and their natural talent and charm helps elevate the material, but the writing itself is a anchor around their necks. In a world and with characters created by JRR Tolkien, the characters are being failed at every turn, and so is the story. That's criminal. That's a fucking criminal excuse for storytelling when a prestige franchise is in your hands.
The deleted scene where he is shown to be the golden child protecting and encouraging scapegoat Faramir and promoting him to their father is Jackson not Tolkien but it is SUCH good characterization and really drives home how well this arc was done and I’m not even a fan of how they wrote movie Faramir or Denethor
All the bitching about this show is making me like it more, im rooting for Amazon and 20 seasons of RoP just to watch fan boys cry because they changed their show, and change is scary whe you live in your mums basement.
@Patrick Germain They may have no final say in the product, but those in charge don't formulate every line and scenario, otherwise there'd be no need for writers.
The only character I felt anything for was the poor "Ice Troll" in the beginning. It suffered a slow agonizing death while strong woman was showing off. She turns and looks at everyone while troll is down and twirls her sword around, so awesome, before she turns back and stabs the troll in its face. Then she slices half of its face off before waiting a few more seconds to finally kill it. Poor Troll didn't deserve that. The only character I felt any sympathy for.
Was that before or after the scene where Galadriel asks which Orc wants her W.A.P. and then slaughters them all (because she’s an unstoppable, stunning and brave woman who can’t be defeated) using nothing but Gangnam Style dance moves?
I almost started crying when Sauron suggested using alloys to Celembrimbor who is (correct me if I’m wrong) an ancient Grandmaster Elvin smith who has more knowledge than any living being about forging
@Joseph Leisses Exactly! By the way, if you haven't seen any of Kyle's or Ilya's work, you should check them out here on YT. Kyle runs his own channel; Ilya is on That Works with Matt Stagmar. Both do some PHENOMENAL work.
@Thomas Wright Well, Sauron was the Maiar of Aule (the Valar that made the dwarves) and encapsulated everything he knew about smithing. So no, he wasn't a noob to it, but neither was anyone else he was talking to. They would've thought of this long before he did and tried it already.
This amazon series was simply an abomination. It reveals how empty and dumb our culture has become. BUT It gives me hope that you are pursuing your own independent film and I am honored to support it. Thank you.
Never read his books so I can't speak to his ability as a writer nor do I know if they're successful by their own merit and not because it'd the Drinker, but KZclipr movies don't exactly have the best track record; not even the movie buffs. I'd be curious in seeing what people say about Drinker's film if it ever comes out.
RoP's characterisation of Galadriel also gives us an insight into the way they view masculinity, and men in general. They wanted to make her "strong and independent," which in their minds means "acting like a man," and yet, we see none of the courage, wisdom, discipline, and humility we see from Tolkien's male heroes. Instead, she's a selfish, arrogant, overbearing bully, who resorts to threats, and tantrums the moment she doesn't get her way. As far as woke Hollywood is concerned, there are only two kinds of men; Violent, hyper agressive, man-children, and weak, sniveling, cowards.
@sonofherne IN VALINOR. Where strife is unknown until Melkor is released and starts working behind the scenes to turn the Noldor against each other and the Valar.
@Brian there is sensitivity training with fire and such so they don't startle. Like the scenes where horses run over something burning. Who knows I've never really looked it up.
@Rob Haskins Me too. The horse looked way too calm, like a cat running to the sound of a can opening. I don't think the horse really knew it was on fire.
I love how halfway through the episode not-Gandalf’s vocabulary range is about 5 words, and he pronounces them in the southern Irish accent of the not-hobbits he learned them from. Yet 3 minutes later he speaks perfectly fluently with a Surrey accent.
What struck me was, that the characters of the show were not talking to each other, not having conversations. They were delivering speeches! How many speeches can one take in a show?! The leaving of Frodo girl with Gandalf was dragging impossibly. I almost took a nap - just leave already! Perfect example of an Irish goodbye.
@Brian exactly! I want the characters to feel fucking human, not like some sort of text to speech, AI generated, forced narrative. Its probably the reason I personally enjoy alot of Scorsese's films. His characters feel alive and the actors who he casts fit the same build and tone of the characters they're trying to portray to the audience. You can have an amazing story, but without the emotion, personality and lack of character development in it, what's the point? 🤷♂️
@sneedler Yep. A good writer should show, not tell. "The dry leaves swirled in the gutter and his breath frosted in the air..." vs "It was autumn and it was cold outside". That's show vs tell. When the dialogue in a show just hits you over the head all the time versus lulls you into the story, that's a problem, and a symptom of bad writing.
Celebrimbor not knowing what an alloy is, and Sauron becoming an evil lord because he got rejected by a woman really shows the level of writing we're on
@BengalTigerNYC Well, Melian the Maia married Thingol and they had a daughter. So they might have a concept of sexuality in some way. My guess is that they're all asexual and have no desire for a physical relationship. Many of them experience romantic attraction, but because they're divine beings, Tolkien might not have liked the idea of them experiencing sexual attraction which has been deemed by Christianity as something sinful in general. Melian was the only exception because she had a daughter with her husband Thingol while still having a vessel. And this only happened because Tolkien really wanted Luthien (inspired by his wife) to be of divine origin.
Plot point: Sauron's whole 'reveal' could have been outplayed if he'd just looked at the parchment and said something along the lines of: "Yeah, that was _a thousand years_ ago. That might seem like a long weekend to you, but it's over 25 generations of us mere mortals. Did you expect us to just remain leaderless for all of time just because that one last king couldn't find himself a queen and 10 minutes of private time in a bedchamber? No. One line of kings ended, so we founded a new one. It's a mortal thing, I guess I can understand it if your immortal mind can't really grapple with having to live with death as a _fact_ of life, not just an unfortunate occasional event, but that's how it goes for us 'lesser races'. Now, are we done here?"
I've not watched 1min of this show but the amount of entertainment it has brought me via these reviews is immense. I'm kinda very glad it was made for this reason ^ ^
Same here I have not watched any of it but I can't get enough of these reviews. 10:20 Why is there a statue of the T-1000 from Terminator 2? Are they going to link these two franchises? Screw it, why not?
Nobody has mentioned that amazing bit where Sauron reveals himself to Galadriel and turns the camera to discuss FBI crime statistics and the discrimination that men face in the family court system had me in raptures
A character can be wiser or smarter than their writer but the writer will be in a heck of a bind trying to portray it because it is quite difficult after all. Though it's mostly time consuming rather than something impossible to do.
Reminds me of when I watch something with characters making poor or illogical decisions, and I complain aloud how stupid they are or unlikely it is, and it’s poor writing… And my wife chides me with “We can’t all be as clever as you” or “the story needs to happen” or “if you wrote it, It would be over in the first scene”.
When shelob screamed "look like Meat's back on the menu boys!" It made me cry and I questioned myself on who's the baddies in the world we live in today.
The moment where Sauron admitted he was transexual and that he only wanted to make the ring to better be himself a 100% was what I loved the most:) Cheers everyone
When sauron said it's sauroning time and then garadriel challenged him saying no it's galadrieling time and then they sauroned and galadrieled all over the place locked in a death battle, that was pure awesomeness truly magnificent.
The Show-runners were assembled and the youngest brought forth the Script of season one. The most brash among them stood up and proclaimed, “It is a gift. Let us use the Script to slay our critics. We can make season two, “Galadrielle, Attorney at Law.” “The Script cannot be used for good. It must be taken deep into Amazon and cast back into the void where returned packages end up. One of you, must do this. “ “One does not simply march into Amazon. It’s black gates are guarded by more than non-union labor. There is the great Bald Head that is ever watchful. It is a wasteland, riddled with time clocks and conveyers. The very air that you breathe is a demoralizing fume.” Nonetheless, nine of these were chosen for the task, a Fellowship of the Show-runners. Deep in a dark passage they paused. The young, altruistic Script bearer alerted the wisest of their party that something awful lurked in the darkness. “It is the Media. They were treated to the Script long before the rest. They both love and hate it as they worshipped it in solitude. Slowly, it destroyed their integrity. Their Precious.” Then a much greater danger arose. “What is this new devilry?” The wisest Showrunner exclaimed, “HOT D, fly you fools!” He struggled with the power of House of the Dragons, but fell into darkness. Resting in sadness, the bearer of the Script was consoled by a coworker. “This task has been appointed to you. If you do not find a way, then no one will. To be a show-runner at Amazon, is to be alone.” The brash Show-runner tried to take the Script, but realized his mistake and submitted a resume to Marvel. Finally, the Script bearer resolved to continue his quest alone. However, he was not totally alone. His most loyal companion was by his side, the Super Fan. “ I will never stop, just like my girl Galadriel!”
I also liked how they rode from MORDOR to EREGION in six days. It took Gandalf three days to get to Minas Tirith from Rohan on the world's fastest horse. At least GOT didn't outright say how impossibly fast the characters travelled.
The "powers that be" throw around "billions" and "trillions" nowadays like it's chump change. Meanwhile, if you or I want to remodel our bathroom and want two boards to nail together, we have to take out a loan. If they put billions into this show, then my bathroom is the Taj Mahal.
Is that the final figure? or roughly? not surprising. Tolkien's estate are dicks is one part, Christopher Tolkien's blessing to look at his far more talented father's notes (Silmarillion Book by J. R. R. Tolkien) is netoriusly expensive, making anything look people in the comment section forget the Silmarilion is nothing more than notes. and. at most bullet points. It was never finished. or likely meant to see the light of day. So yeah, man. not surprising: the CGI actors and blah blah is expensive af. the rights alone dam neer bankrupted jackson, and he was given a tight timeline to do 3 books to movies. Getting much more (almost unlimited?) time? that's going to cost a ton. And Covid didn't do the budget any favors.
I was just reminded why Boromir's death was so heart-breaking, despite only knowing him for 30 minutes and him being sort of a baddie. What an arc, and Sean Bean was fantastic. Everyone in that movie played the characters flawlessly. By the end of the trilogy, none of the characters are the same as they started. And even a character like Galadriel, who isnt even at the center of the story, is so memorable. My only complaint is that it was a trilogy and not an HBO series like Game of Thrones. Imagine what Peter Jackson could do with more time.
We saw what he did with more time when the Hobbit got stretched out to three films. Time is rarely a useful luxury to extend to a director, time limits can be a great way to curb some of their wilder excesses and keep the story on track.
I made it through 4 episodes, though I was probably scrolling through TikToks for the majority of the 4th. You show remarkable resilience, good sir, for sitting through the whole season. You really took one for the team.
i have watched the original Jackons movie and read the books at least 30 times in my life. its my absolute "happy" moments, where i can gather strength when all else fails. just one look at the t ROP trailers cemented in me i wont even watch an episode to avoid absolute anger and disappointment. but its fun to look at it from a watered down view from TCD to exausht my minimal interest. thank you for sparing me from suffering.
spare yourself the boredom and anger. be glad we have the sole takeaway of a few high quality shots of 1st age middle earth. maybe someone else can use them in lore videos that will hold some sort of entertainment value
@Maya Lewis If Sauron hurt me like that, I'd hunt him down like a crazy person too. This gives a whole new meaning to cate blanchett's response to seeing the Ring in the fellowship 2500 years later. Some wounds never heal, even for an immortal elf
Call Galadriel an idiot? Did Tony Stark invent Ultron? Did Stephen Strange almost nullify the multiverse so Peter Parker can have a girlfriend? #doublestandard As for her being "strong," her Powers include: Omega Level Enhanced Senses (not just scent and sight, but unless tricked by an immortal Omega Level Maiar like Sauron the Deceiver, otherwise able to literally detect evil at orders of magnitude beyond anything Spiderman’s Spider Sense is remotely capable of) Yoda Level Interspecies Empathy (ability to sense the emotional state of not just animals, but even trees) Battle Angel Alita Level Limitless Endurance (never sleeps) NightCrawler Level superhuman dexterity & agility Hawkeye Level marksmanship & ranged combat skills Valkyrie Level mounted close combat skills Black Widow Level dismounted close combat skills Live-Action-Mulan Level Instinctive Reaction (able to automatically dodge and counter oncoming attacks through muscle memory or instinct) Wolverine Level Insulated Weather Adaptation (can scale freezing vertical mountains without losing fingers to frostbite) Captain America Level Enhanced Pain Threshold (still functional despite pain that would disable a normal human).
The Donald of fiasco TV shows...? 😀😊 The tanned Twitter CEO runner-up at Joe Rogan? The Vladimir P? Forgetful ol' Joe? The finnish young and tough PM with a leather suit at political meetings, losing her USB stick with teenage-style party pics showing her drunk dancing to something worse than Justin Bieber? Actually it's not even funny. Just a tragedy. The world design of the GOP and the commie world.
My favorite part was, when Bishop brought down another landing craft from the mothership on orbit, just in time for Ripley to get away from the queen alien.
Those 3 women were meant to be based on the 3 Witches from Macbeth. Now I am thinking this show is an intentional insult to Tolkien, because he hated Shakespeare, but he reserved a special hatred for Macbeth above probably any other Shakespeare play.
I don't think the writers have enough skill to think about something like this. I think they just saw the ringwraiths from the jackson movies, thought they are cool and inserted some into their own series regardless of wether this makes any logical sense whatsoever. Seems much more likely to me.
@Clément Travert I don't remember specifically, but I read once that he was dissapointed that the prophecy that "no man born of a women" could kill Macbeth didn't turn out to be a woman, which is from where he got the idea for the Witch King, and the prophecy regarding his eventual demise.
Celebrimbor is that guy at work who’s been there for ages and seems to possess all knowledge, until you find out he’s friends with the boss and has been faking it all along
I can't believe that the guy we all predicted was Sauron before the show even aired, turned out to be Sauron. Truly a historic day for fiction and entertainment.
Shit, I felt the same way about game of Thrones character Arya. Ive never read the books and I could tell from light-years away, that she was gonna be the ice king killer. Lmfao
I really was hoping not Gandalf was going to be actual Sauron and kill the harfoots cause fuck the harfoots. And it would have been a very nice ACTUAL surprise in the plot. Nah. Not Gandalf is GOOD. So all is good in the show.
I can't believe Sauron, an acolyte of Morgoth, a fallen angel like Satan, is portrayed early on as a sarcastic dude who just slopes around the place, trading barbs with Galadriel.
Before watching this series, I did not think that Sauron would show up at all in season 1 because I was told Sauron got no screen time in all of cinema except a few minutes in Shadow of War and some seconds in the trilogy and in the prologue for this show. As a result, I never bothered to look for or predict what character might be Sauron.
Then Sauron held the sword aloft shouting, "Thundercats! Thundercats! Thudercats! Hoooooo!" And Galadrial squealed, "I'll be your Thundercats ho, baby!"
The ROP writers turned out to be way more talented than we gave them credit. They managed to make the protagonists more unlikeable than Sauron. That takes skill.
This is a masterpiece of an insult. It's beautiful. This man sat for absolute hours, furiously crafting this 100% accurate summary of sins of these fools. While my knowledge of deeper lore of Tolkien is on the casual side and i didn't even catch quite a few of them... i understand completely. I am Polish and have been a fan of Sapkowski's work since i was about 10 i think? I believe these people used to be quietly executed untill maybe a few hundred years ago. Truly great video and thank you
Having almost finished my adventure into indie filmmaking, I support your efforts. It is very daunting to put anything together with little or no resource💸
Man it's costs prohibitive prices just to RENT equipment. And after you also have to get people who knows what they're doing, props, locations.. it's something that's very hard to do. Hats off to you.
@Durt The Elder I thought the same about Halbrand when he looked at the forge in Numenor. I thought "surely it's not that obvious... this must be to throw me off." But it would appear that sometimes it is genuinely THAT obvious. It's 100% Gandalf mate, sorry to break it to you.
I don't think the start was as bad as the drinker talks about it to be but thinking back the final is prob as bad as he talks it to be and my hope is that because they just called the wizard guy a wizard it's not gandalf
good luck with rogue elements. seem to always be on the same page when it comes to film/show reviews, and come from the same neck of the woods, so excited to see what you produce. also happy to help if you ever need it.
@D5280 Did this seriously happen? I've read hundreds of fantasy books, and the Tolkien books were the first and still reign as the best. I can't bring myself to watch this show, so I'm seriously just wondering if you're BSing me.
@James Thomas Well, we are in agreement and can all sympathise with Sauron now as by your allegory (Tolkein HATED allegory, btw) has clearly been lied about in history, mis-understood. And if Hell-Brandon and the Orcs deserves their own homeland without undesirable and hostile invaders present so do the Europeans!
Guys, why are some people still defending this show? I don't see how even from a very generous perspective, this show is more than an "average" at best. It's not just a bunch of old Tolkien fans, I'm in my 20s, and I thought the show was one of the least engaging and interesting ones produced over the past two decades. Those of you who like the show...tell me WHAT exactly did you "like" about Rings of Power? I honestly can't understand. o_O
6:29-6:53 🤣That was so funny, I just HAD to pause this video to laugh at that nonsense for a full minute. Thank you for making your review of The Rings of Power miles more amusing to watch than The Rings of Power itself. December 9, 2022, 8:40pm
I am actually guilty of not thinking Halbrand being Sauron because i was convinced that he genuinely wanted a new beginning and coerced by strong woman to play King and that leads him in season 2 down the path of taking a human Ring and becoming a Nazgul. Wouldnt that have been a nice plotline? Seeing one of the actual few likeable characters steering down this dark path? They sadly made it obvious that he is gandalf in the last episode with the blatant line theft. i still hoped he would have turned out to be Saruman when Istari was dropped. because we knew he came first and i cant remember when. so at least for me that could have been plausible. But the writing of that two guys really was criminal.
And Gandalf was said (in the essay in Unfinished Tales) to have been the last Istar to arrive. He didn't want to go at first, saying he was afraid of Sauron, but Manwe, who had nominated him, convinced him to do it.
Ah well, I got halfway through the first episode; so credit to you for sticking with it in order to write a review. Now I know I’m not missing anything.
I'm a huge Tolkien fan. That being said, I can proudly say I've never watched a single episode of this. Thank you Drinker for your insight. EDIT Aw, it seems I've triggered a few snowflakes. 😂😂
Imo the whole lotr shit is overrated i personally likd hobbit story more evntho it too is mediocre at best but rop is awful i just watched this shit from torrent none of money also going to them
@Lowkey Lokii while ill agree the 100% negative review approach makes it seem unrealistic, i can count the "good" scenes (or watchable i should say) on one hand. theres a reason amazon had to disable user reviews. it really is that bad. and even harder to defend
Well, I've summoned the courage to go straight to the final episode of series one. I'm 8:46 in (swim). So far it's like a perfume advert meets a SNL faux pas. I'm glad I've saved my time.
I think the heart of a lot of this show's problem - as mentioned in your video - is that the world of LOTR just doesn't make for good television. Characters in Tolkein's work have grand, decided and archetypal cores. Yeah, they have individual personalities, wants and goals, but ultimately they start the story already representing what they end up as at the end. It's what makes their journeys epic and their successes and failures all the more profound and sustaining - they represent something greater then themselves. Their characters are tied to the execution of the single, overarching goal of the series; destroy the one ring. Everyone knows the goal very early on in the story and it doesn't change throughout the whole darn thing. This constancy of intent is what makes the whole story work so well. There's no twists, no mystery boxes, no hidden identities (none that change the ultimate drive of the story, at least). Everything works as one, everything is part of the single, overarching journey. That's what made it a great trilogy - it had a beginning, middle and end that was inescapably bound all together in one sweet, singular package. Television doesn't really work like that - at least, not shows that I have watched. Game of Thrones worked (at least before season 6) because its world was more...well....just sort of there. Existing in a holding pattern of equal opportunity uncertainty. All its characters were capable of dying suddenly, violently and for no greater reason than being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Disease, accidents, miscommunication and straight up bad luck were all things that had frighteningly powerful potential to reshape the plot whenever and wherever it liked. Nobody was guaranteed any narrative closure and that's why I liked it so much. I found myself liking it all the more when my expectations were undercut. Characters could surprise me with unexpected moments of cruelty and decency and I'd feel equally enthused at their journey. That's what makes good television, in my opinion. And Lord of the Rings doesn't really work like that. Nobody bones in Middle-Earth. Nobody swears, or gets constipated or dies via boar-mauling during a routine hunt. Bah, I digress. Great video, drinker. It's a shame that so much money was thrown at something that had a bad foundation beneath it even before it started.
Aragorn is actually the lovechild of Sauron and Galadriel's doomed love affair. This sets up the epic scene in LOTR where Sauron utters the immortal words, "Aragorn, I am your father!"
@david j w bailey Even that is very problematic given their timeline. When Tolkien suggested that the Blue Wizards might have been sent in the Second Age, they would have been sent in response to Sauron's destruction or Eregion and conquest/enslavement of most of Middle-earth. In the show, not-Gandalf is sent before Sauron reappears. Eonwe and the Valar didn't even bother to look for Sauron when he snuck off after the War of Wrath, why would they send an embodied Maia for a war that hadn't even begun yet and no one knew was going to happen?
@THE REAL ZENFORCE That's in this timeline. Before we got Mandela'd he totally said "Luke, I am your father" - jut like Kirk said "Beam me up, Scotty".
What's funny is that people will actually watch it knowing it is bad. Which means their ratings justify what they've created. We vote with our dollars and views people. Just stop watching it.
@TheLawEnforcerHD lol the show wasn’t even on the Nielsen rankings after episode 3 released. It wasn’t just a minority of of women hating neckbeards that tuned out. Find another angle, bro.
Yeah and it's crazy how in the finale, Dumbledore's force ghost appeared to her and told her dad was on a hunting trip and hasn't been home in a few days and then carry on my wayward sun starts playing as they both ride off in a 67 impala
The Silmarillion would’ve been a great show as it is written like little vignettes that tell a larger story. The ROP really missed the boat on this one.
They don't have the rights for that. Pretty sure they just bought the absolute minimum for them being able to slap that coveted "Lord of the Rings" name onto the show.
Regarding the king's portrait; how talented you will have to be to draw somebody's portrait from one side of the bed whilst you are sitting on the opposite side? that kind of skill is definitely from out of this world!!😮😮😮
Because they didn't want to hear any criticism. Everyone who had any background with Tolkien who was involved got fired or quit early in the production because no one wanted their input, they just wanted yes-men. It's a massive problem with corporate culture in general.
*Capt Bucky O'Hare* says in his reply that Sean Bean had about 25 minutes of screen time in 'Fellowship', And in those 25 minutes he became my favourite character, I am a 62 year-old bloke and I definitely chocked up when he said, "I would have followed you, my brother, my captain, my king." And nonmatter how many times I watch these films, and it's a lot, it gets me every time. I agree with everything he wrote in his reply, I was for some reason unable to leave a reply on his excellent reply.
@Hanskah ROP just made me bored enough that I couldn't follow the plot because my mind kept wandering. She-Hulk will fill you with genuine rage that such a level of stupidity could be made mainstream.
I wish i had my shit together enough to donate and help support your film making endeavor, the best i can do is to comment and like , and wish you the best of luck. Show 'em what a good story is :)
@Michael McPhail nope. It still clash with the worldbuilding and the intricate logic of the society… but… at least the scripts are miles better, and yeah, a few of the included actors are that good (Corlys).
I still cant beleive they actually put that horse scene in. She basically loses balance to one side, flails on the side of the horse, and then swings upward about as hard as it would take to open a letter 🤣. A Billion Dollars!
Have you guys seen the Sarcastic Plot Recap vid that dropped last night for the finale? Omg they eviscerated it lol They picked up on the same Halbrand/Celebrimbor moment but also a lot of other things that Drinker didn't cover. Still, great vids and content in this community man!!
Female Frodo and female Sam hahaha that's exactly how I felt. They failed tremendously at creating characters with the same emotional connection as the trilogy
Sauron was basically the only likable character in this story thanks to Amazon, he wanted to live a peaceful life and mend the damage he did as the Dark Lord but thanks to Galadriel constantly using him and then rejecting him; he’s going to go back to the old ways and try to conquer Middle Earth once more. Then again if he does manage to put the Harfoots on the endangered species list, he would have unironically done more good for that world than Galadriel did throughout the entire season.
Of course that completely contradicts everything the books say about Sauron. He HAD the chance to repent and try to make amends at the end of the First Age but refused.
@Ken Havens He didn't fool all the Elves. In the book, Elrond and Galadriel never trusted Annatar going as far to not let him in their kingdoms as well as warn Celebrimbor about him. Celebrimbor wasn't so much fooled as too eager to know more knowledge without asking why it was being given in the first place.
to be fair, Tolkein wrote Sauron as a very charismatic and likeable person during the 2nd age. he was able to fool the elves, it is there in the outline of the SA.
I will absolutely support your short film if you own up to any failings in it and give it a critical drinker review that includes the most common criticisms.
This show seems like the one I wanted to write, after I read Lord of the Ring when I was 14 years old. Now I regret that I gave up on it instead of finishing it and sell it to Amazon. I would ne so rich today.
By the way, if any asshole claiming to be me replies to your comments saying you've won an amazing prize or some similar nonsense, ignore and report them immediately. Its a scam, and its happening everywhere on KZclip right now.
everyone saying yea 100%, nothin happen here, thanks for the heads up! but noone is saying what happens when people click the link.
Already been doing that. It's getting ridiculous
I really want to see this
got one on my comment
Wait... You are saying people lie on the internet?!?!?!
In Fellowship of the Ring, Sean Bean has about 25 minutes of screen time. In that time, Boromir is initially established as a dutiful servant of Gondor, a battle weary warrior fed up with the lords of the lands kept safe by his people, a doubter of Aragorn, and someone with honorable desires upon The Ring. He's dismissive, weathered, prickly, and even a bit defeatist when the scale of the task is laid before the group.
He's then shown teaching Merri and Pippin to fight, through encouragement and light-hearted instruction. He's horrified when he accidentally hurts Pippin, because his intention is to teach not humiliate or discourage them. So he's absolutely joyous when the hobbits gang up, shrug it off, and tackle him in good humour. This tells us a lot about Boromir as a person without needing to lean on dialogue-heavy explanations. Heck, it isn't even the main focus of the scene, but it's there, happening nicely in the background, laying the groundwork for his and the hobbits' characters. It shows us, gently, that even though he's doubtful about their mission, Boromir takes the initiative and recognises where his party needs to level up, and does it without making them feel small. He builds bonds that he knows will make the group stronger. Bear this moment in mind when you consider Galadriel's scene in RoP, where she, as the superior swords person, is tasked with instructing the Numenorean recruits and what her actions tell us about her character.
Anyway, Boromir falls deeper under the influence of the Ring, but the film also shows him standing his ground and being brave against the Moria hordes and at every turn when the group need him.
When the Fellowship is fleeing the Balrog and the staircase is collapsing, he instinctively grabs Merri and Pippin and, without a word, he leaps them both to safety, again establishing his big brother relationship with them. It's such a small detail but it's so consistent as it quietly builds his bond with those hobbits in particular and it's especially interesting to see him do it after Legolas, and even Gandalf, have jumped alone. All shown to you through small details and interactions that involve very little dialogue. All action. All intent. All with purpose and meaning.
After Gandalf falls, Boromir pleads with Aragorn for more time just to let the hobbits grieve. He's compassionate, emotional, and caring. He is miles away from the dismissive, prickly presence he was at the Council of Elrond. He's truly a part of this Fellowship now, and he has a bond with the hobbits that goes beyond duty. It shows Boromir, while a good leader, also maybe thinks with his heart when he should think with his head, whereas Aragorn is more pragmatic and, in a way, ruthless. Both display different sorts of strength, but the situation calls for one over the other. And while Boromir protests, he doesn't argue further once Aragorn has made his reasoning clear. THAT also tells us a lot about both men.
Boromir is revealed to be an incredibly layered human being, one who is brave, loyal, caring, passionate and patriotic, but the burden of his father's failing rule and the pressure of protecting his people is crushing him. Haunting him. That is on full display at the Council, during his first temptation on the mountainside, and when he breaks down after Galadriel looks right into his soul and shakes him to his core. And it's that very thing, that incredibly noble desire to see darkness and ruin expelled from Gondor that is his undoing. That desire is the ring's way in.
He finally falls to temptation and this one moment of weakness almost destroys him, but rather than wallow in his failings, he rallies. He does all he can do to repent, and rescues Merri and Pippin in a desperate attempt to regain who he was.
And he is struck down.
His first words to Aragorn while he lies dying are to alert him that the Uruks have Merri and Pippin. His second statement is his confession that he tried to take the ring. He is broken, dying, and guilt-ridden, but still trying to protect the hobbits and act with honor.
Then before he dies, in his last breath, he accepts Aragorn as his king and makes sure Aragorn knows it. Because Boromir has only ever wanted one thing - the strength to defend his people. And now, he sees that strength might exist in Aragorn, and he knows saying the words will help make Aragorn a stronger leader going forward. He now has hope even in his darkest moment, when he began the story defeatist, bitter, and hopeless. Boromir does all he can until the end, despite his flaws and failures. He's no longer the dismissive and doubtful captain of Gondor, but a man who calls Aragorn his brother, his captain, and the king he trusts to bring glory back to his people.
It's a breath-taking moment. Resonant. Earnest. Earned.
They accomplish all that, that entire emotional journey, that rise, fall, and rise again for his character, in 25 minutes of screen time.
Now look at RoP. Galadriel is exactly the same callous, single-minded, revenge-driven asshole at the end of the series as she was in ep1. Actually, no. She's worse. Because now, she has actually discovered who the enemy is and smoked out his intentions... and chooses to tell no one.
All to protect her own reputation. All so she can maintain an air of authority and superiority over her peers, because if they knew the truth, her name would be mud, and she'd be nowhere near the decisions taken to forge the rings, how many there'd be, and who'd get to bear them. She shouldn't be like this. I don't think they meant for her to be like this. Her character writing feels shallow, rushed, and poorly thought out and now, there's a big disconnect between how the audiences feels about her and what the writers intended.
She tells other characters to be humble, while she's brash, condescending, and arrogant. She tells others not to pursue vengeance when that's all she cares about pursuing. She talks about the importance of saving lives in the Southlands, but she's never shown saving a single person. She's shown threatening to torture and murder Adar's orcs if she doesn't get her way and she's shown walking away from the volcano blast when others are screaming around her, begging for help. Then the showrunners assert that if you don't find yourself liking her, or find yourself uninterested in her character, it's your fault. You're the problem.
She's not like Boromir. Not written like him. Not developed like him. Not treated with the same care, thought, and humanity his character was treated with. She's a statue, standing still in spiteful, vengeful self-righteous self-service. Just like she was at the beginning of the series.
Nine hours ago.
With over THREE hours of screen time just for her where her character barely moves at all, and the actress is given nearly nothing to do in terms of range, humanity, or even basic heroism.
This issue isn't unique to Galadriel. In fact, no characters in RoP have changed or grown or shown any depth at all throughout this first season. How could they? We know so little about most of them to begin with, never mind how they might have transformed or grown, that they come off as one-dimensional NPCs who exist to move the plot along, who make baffling decisions because the story has to happen, with no agency or impetus to their actions. Except maybe Durin, I'll give them Durin. He does seem to go through something of a journey with his father, Disa, and his place in the kingdom... and then his storyline is ignored in the finale. And then of course, there's the bloody bad guy. Sauron gets more development and "growth" than Galadriel, Elendil, or Isildur. That's... wow.
Some of the actors are trying their hearts out and their natural talent and charm helps elevate the material, but the writing itself is a anchor around their necks.
In a world and with characters created by JRR Tolkien, the characters are being failed at every turn, and so is the story.
That's criminal. That's a fucking criminal excuse for storytelling when a prestige franchise is in your hands.
The deleted scene where he is shown to be the golden child protecting and encouraging scapegoat Faramir and promoting him to their father is Jackson not Tolkien but it is SUCH good characterization and really drives home how well this arc was done and I’m not even a fan of how they wrote movie Faramir or Denethor
Bro wrote an entire college essay for a KZclip comment about a Lord of The Rings show
Very well written. Kudos!! 👍🏻
Reading this comment was a much more memorable experience than watching rings of poower
Jesus. This was well written. And sadly true.
This show actually has me rooting for Sauron.
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All the bitching about this show is making me like it more, im rooting for Amazon and 20 seasons of RoP just to watch fan boys cry because they changed their show, and change is scary whe you live in your mums basement.
Well, he is going to sink Numenor. He wins this one, though he loses his body doing it, laughing as he 'drowns'.
So....I dunno.
@MARK Smith then it will be complete the woke legacy
Sauron needs to come out as gay--- then we'll have to root for him
The most important take from this video: "Characters are only as intelligent as the people writing them"
- The Critical Drinker, 2022
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@Patrick Germain They may have no final say in the product, but those in charge don't formulate every line and scenario, otherwise there'd be no need for writers.
This is not a new saying. It’s most likely older than anyone currently alive.
So not so much?
The only character I felt anything for was the poor "Ice Troll" in the beginning. It suffered a slow agonizing death while strong woman was showing off. She turns and looks at everyone while troll is down and twirls her sword around, so awesome, before she turns back and stabs the troll in its face. Then she slices half of its face off before waiting a few more seconds to finally kill it. Poor Troll didn't deserve that. The only character I felt any sympathy for.
That one scene where Sauron said "If you liked it, you should've put a ring on it" and broke into song & dance was truly an emotional scene I cried.
Was that before or after the scene where Galadriel asks which Orc wants her W.A.P. and then slaughters them all (because she’s an unstoppable, stunning and brave woman who can’t be defeated) using nothing but Gangnam Style dance moves?
@Martin Major You are not funny.
When sonic arrived and wanted the rings for himself and galadriel charged him screaming "black live matters" I schat myself.
Everyone cried
I love how just Bilbo's chainmail could have save the whole Elven race several times over.
😆 that's exactly what I thought
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I almost started crying when Sauron suggested using alloys to Celembrimbor who is (correct me if I’m wrong) an ancient Grandmaster Elvin smith who has more knowledge than any living being about forging
@Joseph Leisses Exactly! By the way, if you haven't seen any of Kyle's or Ilya's work, you should check them out here on YT. Kyle runs his own channel; Ilya is on That Works with Matt Stagmar. Both do some PHENOMENAL work.
@Thomas Wright Well, Sauron was the Maiar of Aule (the Valar that made the dwarves) and encapsulated everything he knew about smithing. So no, he wasn't a noob to it, but neither was anyone else he was talking to. They would've thought of this long before he did and tried it already.
It'd be like Kyle Royer or Ilya Alekseyev taking basic smithing lessons from some rando noob that's never picked up a hammer before.
@Vsegda7 Fixed it.
@dur shurrikun *Feanor's grandson
This amazon series was simply an abomination. It reveals how empty and dumb our culture has become. BUT It gives me hope that you are pursuing your own independent film and I am honored to support it. Thank you.
Never read his books so I can't speak to his ability as a writer nor do I know if they're successful by their own merit and not because it'd the Drinker, but KZclipr movies don't exactly have the best track record; not even the movie buffs. I'd be curious in seeing what people say about Drinker's film if it ever comes out.
On a channel devoted to Star Wars and Marvel.
RoP's characterisation of Galadriel also gives us an insight into the way they view masculinity, and men in general. They wanted to make her "strong and independent," which in their minds means "acting like a man," and yet, we see none of the courage, wisdom, discipline, and humility we see from Tolkien's male heroes. Instead, she's a selfish, arrogant, overbearing bully, who resorts to threats, and tantrums the moment she doesn't get her way. As far as woke Hollywood is concerned, there are only two kinds of men; Violent, hyper agressive, man-children, and weak, sniveling, cowards.
@sonofherne IN VALINOR. Where strife is unknown until Melkor is released and starts working behind the scenes to turn the Noldor against each other and the Valar.
The first episode where she is about to punch some elf-kid in the face...
Ok....but can we talk about how well the horses acted. Especially the one that had a burning saddle. Good trainers.
@Toothless were is the news site that states this?
@Brian there is sensitivity training with fire and such so they don't startle. Like the scenes where horses run over something burning. Who knows I've never really looked it up.
@Rob Haskins Me too. The horse looked way too calm, like a cat running to the sound of a can opening. I don't think the horse really knew it was on fire.
I love how halfway through the episode not-Gandalf’s vocabulary range is about 5 words, and he pronounces them in the southern Irish accent of the not-hobbits he learned them from. Yet 3 minutes later he speaks perfectly fluently with a Surrey accent.
@Brian France and Germany are exactly like this too.
@EvilDoresh exactly
@Σταύρος Δράκος The staff is the key to everything
he touched the staff, you just not paying attention.
@Brian That's how the old world rolls
When that old lady asked Galadriel who she was, and she answered “Rey Skywalker”
I CRIED 😢😢😢😢 AND I CLAPPEEEDDD
@durden2480 oo bro so tht one was u hit ny head with ur tv from window😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣
Galadriel Ringbearer
Galadriel who? … Skywalker
I threw my tv out the window
What struck me was, that the characters of the show were not talking to each other, not having conversations. They were delivering speeches! How many speeches can one take in a show?!
The leaving of Frodo girl with Gandalf was dragging impossibly. I almost took a nap - just leave already! Perfect example of an Irish goodbye.
@Brian exactly! I want the characters to feel fucking human, not like some sort of text to speech, AI generated, forced narrative. Its probably the reason I personally enjoy alot of Scorsese's films. His characters feel alive and the actors who he casts fit the same build and tone of the characters they're trying to portray to the audience. You can have an amazing story, but without the emotion, personality and lack of character development in it, what's the point? 🤷♂️
@sneedler Yep. A good writer should show, not tell. "The dry leaves swirled in the gutter and his breath frosted in the air..." vs "It was autumn and it was cold outside". That's show vs tell. When the dialogue in a show just hits you over the head all the time versus lulls you into the story, that's a problem, and a symptom of bad writing.
@Gork Skoal Really? When? And when the dialogue was long at least it had something to say...not drivel full of modernisms.
It's what is known in fiction writing as an 'info dump.' Don't do it.
Ummm you forgot LoTR the movie. that was it in a nutshell, just about everyone giving their magnum opus.
Celebrimbor not knowing what an alloy is, and Sauron becoming an evil lord because he got rejected by a woman really shows the level of writing we're on
@Wesley Vierra Aye, and the other writings of JRRT collated by his son over the years to contribute the the history/legend🙂
@BengalTigerNYC Well, Melian the Maia married Thingol and they had a daughter. So they might have a concept of sexuality in some way. My guess is that they're all asexual and have no desire for a physical relationship. Many of them experience romantic attraction, but because they're divine beings, Tolkien might not have liked the idea of them experiencing sexual attraction which has been deemed by Christianity as something sinful in general.
Melian was the only exception because she had a daughter with her husband Thingol while still having a vessel. And this only happened because Tolkien really wanted Luthien (inspired by his wife) to be of divine origin.
@reginald campos oh my God.
Sauron did not become evil lord because he got rejected. I guess we were watching 2 different shows.
Plot point: Sauron's whole 'reveal' could have been outplayed if he'd just looked at the parchment and said something along the lines of: "Yeah, that was _a thousand years_ ago. That might seem like a long weekend to you, but it's over 25 generations of us mere mortals. Did you expect us to just remain leaderless for all of time just because that one last king couldn't find himself a queen and 10 minutes of private time in a bedchamber? No. One line of kings ended, so we founded a new one. It's a mortal thing, I guess I can understand it if your immortal mind can't really grapple with having to live with death as a _fact_ of life, not just an unfortunate occasional event, but that's how it goes for us 'lesser races'. Now, are we done here?"
@SirJoshtheFirst Stop thinking! Consume product and get excited for new product!
Better writing than the whole show combined.
This show acts likes sauron cant lie for some idiotic reason, he could have said anything other than an obvious lie and it would have worked better.
poor fan fiction
I've not watched 1min of this show but the amount of entertainment it has brought me via these reviews is immense. I'm kinda very glad it was made for this reason ^ ^
Same lol
Same here I have not watched any of it but I can't get enough of these reviews. 10:20 Why is there a statue of the T-1000 from Terminator 2? Are they going to link these two franchises? Screw it, why not?
@Shannon Brown Walter? Is,that you?
Same.
I made it about 30 mins into an episode before I had to turn it off. I was getting flashbacks from nam, and I wasn't even there.
Nobody has mentioned that amazing bit where Sauron reveals himself to Galadriel and turns the camera to discuss FBI crime statistics and the discrimination that men face in the family court system had me in raptures
Scene where Galadriel told Sauron "Youre tearing me apart, Lisa" made me laugh and i died right after. Marvelous
It's just so very sad that this series is so very bad.
It could have been, it should have been, a masterpiece.
It could not have been - not with Amazon going off the rails into the absolute chaos of woke.
Yet it was a DOA.
It was stillborn. Never had any chance. A ton of us called it even before it began filming, simply based on interviews by the writers and showrunners.
Good would have been enough.
"A character is only as smart as the person writing them."
That one sentence alone explains so much.
A character can be wiser or smarter than their writer but the writer will be in a heck of a bind trying to portray it because it is quite difficult after all. Though it's mostly time consuming rather than something impossible to do.
Nepotism holds humanity back.
I love how this phrase became a clever insult
It’s kinda like saying,” a computer is only as intelligent as it’s programmer.” Same thing.
Reminds me of when I watch something with characters making poor or illogical decisions, and I complain aloud how stupid they are or unlikely it is, and it’s poor writing… And my wife chides me with “We can’t all be as clever as you” or “the story needs to happen” or “if you wrote it, It would be over in the first scene”.
When She-Hulk tore off Voldemort's head and fed it to Shelob, that was truly the moment I realized how strong and how woman she is.
When shelob screamed "look like Meat's back on the menu boys!" It made me cry and I questioned myself on who's the baddies in the world we live in today.
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The moment where Sauron admitted he was transexual and that he only wanted to make the ring to better be himself a 100% was what I loved the most:) Cheers everyone
The ring of power indeed
He? DID YOU JUST ASSUME SAURON'S GENDER?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Sauron should wear his ring as a Nose ring and get purple hair
not ironically, it would have been a much more interesting show lmao
When sauron said it's sauroning time and then garadriel challenged him saying no it's galadrieling time and then they sauroned and galadrieled all over the place locked in a death battle, that was pure awesomeness truly magnificent.
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The Show-runners were assembled and the youngest brought forth the Script of season one. The most brash among them stood up and proclaimed, “It is a gift. Let us use the Script to slay our critics. We can make season two, “Galadrielle, Attorney at Law.”
“The Script cannot be used for good. It must be taken deep into Amazon and cast back into the void where returned packages end up. One of you, must do this. “
“One does not simply march into Amazon. It’s black gates are guarded by more than non-union labor. There is the great Bald Head that is ever watchful. It is a wasteland, riddled with time clocks and conveyers. The very air that you breathe is a demoralizing fume.”
Nonetheless, nine of these were chosen for the task, a Fellowship of the Show-runners.
Deep in a dark passage they paused. The young, altruistic Script bearer alerted the wisest of their party that something awful lurked in the darkness.
“It is the Media. They were treated to the Script long before the rest. They both love and hate it as they worshipped it in solitude. Slowly, it destroyed their integrity. Their Precious.”
Then a much greater danger arose. “What is this new devilry?”
The wisest Showrunner exclaimed, “HOT D, fly you fools!” He struggled with the power of House of the Dragons, but fell into darkness.
Resting in sadness, the bearer of the Script was consoled by a coworker. “This task has been appointed to you. If you do not find a way, then no one will. To be a show-runner at Amazon, is to be alone.”
The brash Show-runner tried to take the Script, but realized his mistake and submitted a resume to Marvel.
Finally, the Script bearer resolved to continue his quest alone. However, he was not totally alone. His most loyal companion was by his side, the Super Fan. “ I will never stop, just like my girl Galadriel!”
Demoralizing fume….lol😂😂😂…. Like the one from Washington DC
Thank you for this 😂👌🏽🙏🏼
@Arch Little you welcome
Thank you much!
Better written than the show I must say
"They've awoken their very own drunken Balrog."
Very nice.
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“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - JRR Tolkien
As I've said elsewhere, "Evil cannot create, only reflect the world we're living in today"
Very poetic and relevant quote
uuuuhhh thst hit hard...
@Jacob C its a fantasy world that doesn't exist. Its not that that deep lmao
I also liked how they rode from MORDOR to EREGION in six days. It took Gandalf three days to get to Minas Tirith from Rohan on the world's fastest horse. At least GOT didn't outright say how impossibly fast the characters travelled.
I’m going to ask a serious question here… How did they put $1 billion into this? It looks like something I’d see on the Sci Fi channel 20 years ago.
Woah!! Don’t diss Sci-Fi shows from 20 years ago. Farscape is one of the greatest shows of all time.
The "powers that be" throw around "billions" and "trillions" nowadays like it's chump change. Meanwhile, if you or I want to remodel our bathroom and want two boards to nail together, we have to take out a loan. If they put billions into this show, then my bathroom is the Taj Mahal.
Money laundering my friend and the Silmarillion is not just notes lmao
Is that the final figure? or roughly? not surprising. Tolkien's estate are dicks is one part, Christopher Tolkien's blessing to look at his far more talented father's notes (Silmarillion
Book by J. R. R. Tolkien) is netoriusly expensive, making anything look people in the comment section forget the Silmarilion is nothing more than notes. and. at most bullet points. It was never finished. or likely meant to see the light of day. So yeah, man. not surprising: the CGI actors and blah blah is expensive af. the rights alone dam neer bankrupted jackson, and he was given a tight timeline to do 3 books to movies. Getting much more (almost unlimited?) time? that's going to cost a ton. And Covid didn't do the budget any favors.
I was just reminded why Boromir's death was so heart-breaking, despite only knowing him for 30 minutes and him being sort of a baddie. What an arc, and Sean Bean was fantastic. Everyone in that movie played the characters flawlessly. By the end of the trilogy, none of the characters are the same as they started. And even a character like Galadriel, who isnt even at the center of the story, is so memorable. My only complaint is that it was a trilogy and not an HBO series like Game of Thrones. Imagine what Peter Jackson could do with more time.
We saw what he did with more time when the Hobbit got stretched out to three films. Time is rarely a useful luxury to extend to a director, time limits can be a great way to curb some of their wilder excesses and keep the story on track.
I made it through 4 episodes, though I was probably scrolling through TikToks for the majority of the 4th. You show remarkable resilience, good sir, for sitting through the whole season. You really took one for the team.
@Christoph Häutle True.
Says alot if TikTok is better than this. A more disrespectful comment could not have been made.
i have watched the original Jackons movie and read the books at least 30 times in my life. its my absolute "happy" moments, where i can gather strength when all else fails. just one look at the t ROP trailers cemented in me i wont even watch an episode to avoid absolute anger and disappointment. but its fun to look at it from a watered down view from TCD to exausht my minimal interest. thank you for sparing me from suffering.
spare yourself the boredom and anger. be glad we have the sole takeaway of a few high quality shots of 1st age middle earth. maybe someone else can use them in lore videos that will hold some sort of entertainment value
I love how they tried to make Galadriel "strong" but instead they ended up making her a complete idiot 😂
@Maya Lewis If Sauron hurt me like that, I'd hunt him down like a crazy person too. This gives a whole new meaning to cate blanchett's response to seeing the Ring in the fellowship 2500 years later. Some wounds never heal, even for an immortal elf
fr she was already strong before like terrifyingly strong but here they just made her behave like a spoiled child with anger issues
Call Galadriel an idiot? Did Tony Stark invent Ultron? Did Stephen Strange almost nullify the multiverse so Peter Parker can have a girlfriend? #doublestandard
As for her being "strong," her Powers include:
Omega Level Enhanced Senses (not just scent and sight, but unless tricked by an immortal Omega Level Maiar like Sauron the Deceiver, otherwise able to literally detect evil at orders of magnitude beyond anything Spiderman’s Spider Sense is remotely capable of)
Yoda Level Interspecies Empathy (ability to sense the emotional state of not just animals, but even trees)
Battle Angel Alita Level Limitless Endurance (never sleeps)
NightCrawler Level superhuman dexterity & agility
Hawkeye Level marksmanship & ranged combat skills
Valkyrie Level mounted close combat skills
Black Widow Level dismounted close combat skills
Live-Action-Mulan Level Instinctive Reaction (able to automatically dodge and counter oncoming attacks through muscle memory or instinct)
Wolverine Level Insulated Weather Adaptation (can scale freezing vertical mountains without losing fingers to frostbite)
Captain America Level Enhanced Pain Threshold (still functional despite pain that would disable a normal human).
Sounds like she hulk
The Donald of fiasco TV shows...? 😀😊 The tanned Twitter CEO runner-up at Joe Rogan? The Vladimir P? Forgetful ol' Joe? The finnish young and tough PM with a leather suit at political meetings, losing her USB stick with teenage-style party pics showing her drunk dancing to something worse than Justin Bieber? Actually it's not even funny. Just a tragedy. The world design of the GOP and the commie world.
My favorite part was, when Bishop brought down another landing craft from the mothership on orbit, just in time for Ripley to get away from the queen alien.
"They mostly come at night, mostly".
If I could sum up my feelings about Rings of Power I would say, "It didn't have to be this way."
I love that fight scene where the guy literally flies apart when he gets hit. I died laughing.
Those 3 women were meant to be based on the 3 Witches from Macbeth. Now I am thinking this show is an intentional insult to Tolkien, because he hated Shakespeare, but he reserved a special hatred for Macbeth above probably any other Shakespeare play.
I don't think the writers have enough skill to think about something like this. I think they just saw the ringwraiths from the jackson movies, thought they are cool and inserted some into their own series regardless of wether this makes any logical sense whatsoever. Seems much more likely to me.
@Clément Travert I don't remember specifically, but I read once that he was dissapointed that the prophecy that "no man born of a women" could kill Macbeth didn't turn out to be a woman, which is from where he got the idea for the Witch King, and the prophecy regarding his eventual demise.
I don't give these writers that much credit.
For what reasons he hated Shakespeare ?
how much do you want to bet that the writers forgot that the witches were from a completely different story?
Celebrimbor is that guy at work who’s been there for ages and seems to possess all knowledge, until you find out he’s friends with the boss and has been faking it all along
What about warrior king Gil Galad being a dress wearing hippie and Galadriels is Joan of arc
I can't believe that the guy we all predicted was Sauron before the show even aired, turned out to be Sauron. Truly a historic day for fiction and entertainment.
Shit, I felt the same way about game of Thrones character Arya.
Ive never read the books and I could tell from light-years away, that she was gonna be the ice king killer.
Lmfao
@Przemysław Brzęczyszczykiewicz I hated that line 'I am good.' In fact, I cringed.
I really was hoping not Gandalf was going to be actual Sauron and kill the harfoots cause fuck the harfoots. And it would have been a very nice ACTUAL surprise in the plot.
Nah. Not Gandalf is GOOD. So all is good in the show.
I can't believe Sauron, an acolyte of Morgoth, a fallen angel like Satan, is portrayed early on as a sarcastic dude who just slopes around the place, trading barbs with Galadriel.
Let me guess, Sauron WASNT diversified.
The laughter that escaped my mouth every time he says "not-Sauron"...XD
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My favorite part was when Sauron said "It's Saurin time" and Saured all over Uncle Ben.
Just had a brain blast…these are Santa’s elves mistakenly cast in the wrong show
"Idiot mc squishy face" Elrond was terrible.
MY OH was watching it last night. He said 'These are the ugliest elves I've ever seen.'
Before watching this series, I did not think that Sauron would show up at all in season 1 because I was told Sauron got no screen time in all of cinema except a few minutes in Shadow of War and some seconds in the trilogy and in the prologue for this show. As a result, I never bothered to look for or predict what character might be Sauron.
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Then Sauron held the sword aloft shouting, "Thundercats! Thundercats! Thudercats! Hoooooo!" And Galadrial squealed, "I'll be your Thundercats ho, baby!"
The ROP writers turned out to be way more talented than we gave them credit. They managed to make the protagonists more unlikeable than Sauron. That takes skill.
Hey, looking at it, the orcs are the only loyal, honest group in this whole show so far.
@Mac Brown ❤your comment!
As a non native English speaker, I found it adequate to learn the word "simpleton" here. RoP and Simpleton are now forever bound in my brain.
This is a masterpiece of an insult. It's beautiful. This man sat for absolute hours, furiously crafting this 100% accurate summary of sins of these fools. While my knowledge of deeper lore of Tolkien is on the casual side and i didn't even catch quite a few of them... i understand completely. I am Polish and have been a fan of Sapkowski's work since i was about 10 i think? I believe these people used to be quietly executed untill maybe a few hundred years ago. Truly great video and thank you
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I loved this series. When Galadriel got the Delorean to 88mph I queefed with joy. Her stunning braveness brought tears of diversity to my eyes.
You QUEEFED??!! 😆😆😆😆😆
"Tears of diversity" lol
queefed with joy haha wtf
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Man it's costs prohibitive prices just to RENT equipment. And after you also have to get people who knows what they're doing, props, locations.. it's something that's very hard to do. Hats off to you.
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"Anyway, it's time to grit our teeth and push this turd out." lol...that line killed me.
"So focused on an audience that doesn't exist" - absolutely NAILED it with that remark.
@Dflaming 1 Noy gonna lie, you had me in the first half lol
@calrus93 was it confirmed gandalf?
@Durt The Elder I thought the same about Halbrand when he looked at the forge in Numenor. I thought "surely it's not that obvious... this must be to throw me off." But it would appear that sometimes it is genuinely THAT obvious. It's 100% Gandalf mate, sorry to break it to you.
I don't think the start was as bad as the drinker talks about it to be
but thinking back the final is prob as bad as he talks it to be
and my hope is that because they just called the wizard guy a wizard
it's not gandalf
For me its a perfect summary of a show ive never seen and never will. Thank you sir, i laughed a LOT :D you have saved hours of my life with this. :)
good luck with rogue elements. seem to always be on the same page when it comes to film/show reviews, and come from the same neck of the woods, so excited to see what you produce. also happy to help if you ever need it.
I genuinely pissed myself when Galadriel Unleashed a bunch of wild animals on an Orc function just to save a little girl.
You hit the nail on the head mate and good luck with your short film looking forward to watching it
The part where vice-admiral Galadriel flew her ship at Lightspeed and took out all of the 1st Order ships!!! That was truly inspirational.
I mean, on the bright side, compared to Guyladriel Admiral Holdo seems like a completely competent and effective leader.
The moment Sauron whispered in Galadriel's ear "I am a feminist" was so beautiful, I cried.
@D5280 Did this seriously happen? I've read hundreds of fantasy books, and the Tolkien books were the first and still reign as the best. I can't bring myself to watch this show, so I'm seriously just wondering if you're BSing me.
@mad max You could be, just ditch your life goals and sense of dignity.
@James Thomas Well, we are in agreement and can all sympathise with Sauron now as by your allegory (Tolkein HATED allegory, btw) has clearly been lied about in history, mis-understood. And if Hell-Brandon and the Orcs deserves their own homeland without undesirable and hostile invaders present so do the Europeans!
Guys, why are some people still defending this show? I don't see how even from a very generous perspective, this show is more than an "average" at best. It's not just a bunch of old Tolkien fans, I'm in my 20s, and I thought the show was one of the least engaging and interesting ones produced over the past two decades. Those of you who like the show...tell me WHAT exactly did you "like" about Rings of Power? I honestly can't understand. o_O
Galadriel staring off into the distance with that half baked twitchy blinking stare that she does, is exactly how I feel every time I watch this show.
6:29-6:53 🤣That was so funny, I just HAD to pause this video to laugh at that nonsense for a full minute. Thank you for making your review of The Rings of Power miles more amusing to watch than The Rings of Power itself. December 9, 2022, 8:40pm
Ngl this is one of the few that I really didn’t understand why it’s bad.
I am actually guilty of not thinking Halbrand being Sauron because i was convinced that he genuinely wanted a new beginning and coerced by strong woman to play King and that leads him in season 2 down the path of taking a human Ring and becoming a Nazgul. Wouldnt that have been a nice plotline? Seeing one of the actual few likeable characters steering down this dark path?
They sadly made it obvious that he is gandalf in the last episode with the blatant line theft. i still hoped he would have turned out to be Saruman when Istari was dropped. because we knew he came first and i cant remember when. so at least for me that could have been plausible.
But the writing of that two guys really was criminal.
And Gandalf was said (in the essay in Unfinished Tales) to have been the last Istar to arrive. He didn't want to go at first, saying he was afraid of Sauron, but Manwe, who had nominated him, convinced him to do it.
Ah well, I got halfway through the first episode; so credit to you for sticking with it in order to write a review.
Now I know I’m not missing anything.
I'm a huge Tolkien fan. That being said, I can proudly say I've never watched a single episode of this. Thank you Drinker for your insight.
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@ғLxᴛɪᴄᴀʟ" You have not see what I have seen"
Imo the whole lotr shit is overrated i personally likd hobbit story more evntho it too is mediocre at best but rop is awful i just watched this shit from torrent none of money also going to them
The real question is: Which is WORSE: Rings or Kenobi?
@Lowkey Lokii while ill agree the 100% negative review approach makes it seem unrealistic, i can count the "good" scenes (or watchable i should say) on one hand. theres a reason amazon had to disable user reviews. it really is that bad. and even harder to defend
but.....why do boats float ?
yeah the moment i heard that line i went cross eyed and nearly became brain dead from the stunning and brave writing
Amazing. Putting words on all my disappointment. Good luck with your short film!
Well, I've summoned the courage to go straight to the final episode of series one. I'm 8:46 in (swim).
So far it's like a perfume advert meets a SNL faux pas.
I'm glad I've saved my time.
I think the heart of a lot of this show's problem - as mentioned in your video - is that the world of LOTR just doesn't make for good television. Characters in Tolkein's work have grand, decided and archetypal cores. Yeah, they have individual personalities, wants and goals, but ultimately they start the story already representing what they end up as at the end. It's what makes their journeys epic and their successes and failures all the more profound and sustaining - they represent something greater then themselves. Their characters are tied to the execution of the single, overarching goal of the series; destroy the one ring. Everyone knows the goal very early on in the story and it doesn't change throughout the whole darn thing. This constancy of intent is what makes the whole story work so well. There's no twists, no mystery boxes, no hidden identities (none that change the ultimate drive of the story, at least). Everything works as one, everything is part of the single, overarching journey. That's what made it a great trilogy - it had a beginning, middle and end that was inescapably bound all together in one sweet, singular package.
Television doesn't really work like that - at least, not shows that I have watched. Game of Thrones worked (at least before season 6) because its world was more...well....just sort of there. Existing in a holding pattern of equal opportunity uncertainty. All its characters were capable of dying suddenly, violently and for no greater reason than being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Disease, accidents, miscommunication and straight up bad luck were all things that had frighteningly powerful potential to reshape the plot whenever and wherever it liked. Nobody was guaranteed any narrative closure and that's why I liked it so much. I found myself liking it all the more when my expectations were undercut. Characters could surprise me with unexpected moments of cruelty and decency and I'd feel equally enthused at their journey. That's what makes good television, in my opinion. And Lord of the Rings doesn't really work like that. Nobody bones in Middle-Earth. Nobody swears, or gets constipated or dies via boar-mauling during a routine hunt.
Bah, I digress. Great video, drinker. It's a shame that so much money was thrown at something that had a bad foundation beneath it even before it started.
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They should have just made their own fantasy series (with blackjack, and hookers!) for all the money they dumped into this.
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Aragorn is actually the lovechild of Sauron and Galadriel's doomed love affair. This sets up the epic scene in LOTR where Sauron utters the immortal words, "Aragorn, I am your father!"
@david j w bailey Even that is very problematic given their timeline. When Tolkien suggested that the Blue Wizards might have been sent in the Second Age, they would have been sent in response to Sauron's destruction or Eregion and conquest/enslavement of most of Middle-earth. In the show, not-Gandalf is sent before Sauron reappears. Eonwe and the Valar didn't even bother to look for Sauron when he snuck off after the War of Wrath, why would they send an embodied Maia for a war that hadn't even begun yet and no one knew was going to happen?
@THE REAL ZENFORCE That's in this timeline. Before we got Mandela'd he totally said "Luke, I am your father" - jut like Kirk said "Beam me up, Scotty".
"Search your feelings. You know it to be true!!!"🥸
You know what I love the most...Amazon still has to...HAS TO...make four more seasons of this shit.
@Zach and tell us, Zach, what other languages can you speak? Besides your native tongue.
What's funny is that people will actually watch it knowing it is bad. Which means their ratings justify what they've created. We vote with our dollars and views people. Just stop watching it.
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@TheLawEnforcerHD lol the show wasn’t even on the Nielsen rankings after episode 3 released. It wasn’t just a minority of of women hating neckbeards that tuned out. Find another angle, bro.
@TheLawEnforcerHD Whatever you say, walking catchphrase.
“That’s looks cool, let’s do that” is the theme of this entire series.
This is one of my real favorite of your criticisms, it is spot on, thank you.
Watching the Drinker reviews is about the closest I get to watching movies and TV these days.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Superb video!
It was so inspirational and brave when Galadriel said ''Welcome to Jurassic park'', and then flew off on her broomstick and won the Triwizard cup
Actually she leapt off a cliff and flew on her paraglider.
Aaah, I think you mixed up with the moment when Doc Brown watch Luke jump from the helicopter and say : "- He's the one."
Yeah and it's crazy how in the finale, Dumbledore's force ghost appeared to her and told her dad was on a hunting trip and hasn't been home in a few days and then carry on my wayward sun starts playing as they both ride off in a 67 impala
The said "Jesse we need to cook"
Shes also trisexual
The Silmarillion would’ve been a great show as it is written like little vignettes that tell a larger story. The ROP really missed the boat on this one.
They don't have the rights for that.
Pretty sure they just bought the absolute minimum for them being able to slap that coveted "Lord of the Rings" name onto the show.
Regarding the king's portrait; how talented you will have to be to draw somebody's portrait from one side of the bed whilst you are sitting on the opposite side? that kind of skill is definitely from out of this world!!😮😮😮
I have no idea why they didn't show their TV series to an actual serious fan before releasing it.
@Bruce Tucker Their ego forbid them and act like a shield against criticism. They can't conceive that what they produce is boring.
Because they didn't want to hear any criticism. Everyone who had any background with Tolkien who was involved got fired or quit early in the production because no one wanted their input, they just wanted yes-men. It's a massive problem with corporate culture in general.
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This show makes the Hobbit trilogy, the Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War look amazing
Come on now shadow of mordor is already amazing on it's own even it's not canon. Tho i can't say in War because of what happen to talion.
*Capt Bucky O'Hare* says in his reply that Sean Bean had about 25 minutes of screen time in 'Fellowship', And in those 25 minutes he became my favourite character, I am a 62 year-old bloke and I definitely chocked up when he said, "I would have followed you, my brother, my captain, my king." And nonmatter how many times I watch these films, and it's a lot, it gets me every time. I agree with everything he wrote in his reply, I was for some reason unable to leave a reply on his excellent reply.
I find it amazing that a huge amount of people like myself likely watched these videos and didn't even bother watching rings of power itself
@Spider it will always be a marketable franchise "good things always come again" as i would imagine Gandalf saying.
I am too big of a fan to watch Amazon ruin everything I love about LoTR.
The show is just so god damn boring, the visuals are great but that is literally it, I just couldn't be fucked to watch it.
@Hanskah ROP just made me bored enough that I couldn't follow the plot because my mind kept wandering. She-Hulk will fill you with genuine rage that such a level of stupidity could be made mainstream.
The sunrise call-out was hilarious. Well done.
I've never heard it all told so well. U so vividly paint a bold picture of Rings of Power's Sucky-ness it's just amazing. Hat's off my friend.
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I wish i had my shit together enough to donate and help support your film making endeavor, the best i can do is to comment and like , and wish you the best of luck. Show 'em what a good story is :)
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Magnificent review. Thank you for saving me time watching this show. You once again prove that the Book is indeed better!
"There's no nuance or layers to their personalities."
Because this show has to reflect the world we live in today.
@Bruce Tucker And they expect no more either!
The Modern Audience expects no less!
@Michael McPhail nope. It still clash with the worldbuilding and the intricate logic of the society… but… at least the scripts are miles better, and yeah, a few of the included actors are that good (Corlys).
@PhantomMonkey2008 that is true! I think I’ve seen some bits of corn in this too!
@The Chad Pad Don’t insult crap like that. There are plenty of layers. Have you ever eaten corn?
I still can't believe they are airing sloppy fanfiction on big streaming sites and want us to ditch the originals for them.
Always nice to see someone put their money where their mouth is! Best of luck with the film!
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I liked the part where Frodo said it’s Ringling time
@Pagan Fears
Yes, it was.
You're not funny.
Not funny
Thanks for the info and entertainment, Drinker!
I still cant beleive they actually put that horse scene in. She basically loses balance to one side, flails on the side of the horse, and then swings upward about as hard as it would take to open a letter 🤣. A Billion Dollars!
We all owe Drinker the utmost gratitude for subjecting himself to this filth so we didn't have to. Thank you, Drinker
Alan J why? Whats going on im so confused
Have you guys seen the Sarcastic Plot Recap vid that dropped last night for the finale? Omg they eviscerated it lol They picked up on the same Halbrand/Celebrimbor moment but also a lot of other things that Drinker didn't cover.
Still, great vids and content in this community man!!
It is a debt that can never be repaid.
@griffy ye how many profiles have you made at this point? I want the fax.
Facts
Great review as always.
this guy is being polite with these episodes
That’s tragic
I only watched the first 2 episodes and I couldn’t continue
They should be ashamed of themselves for destroying this world
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Respect.
Female Frodo and female Sam hahaha that's exactly how I felt. They failed tremendously at creating characters with the same emotional connection as the trilogy
Sauron was basically the only likable character in this story thanks to Amazon, he wanted to live a peaceful life and mend the damage he did as the Dark Lord but thanks to Galadriel constantly using him and then rejecting him; he’s going to go back to the old ways and try to conquer Middle Earth once more.
Then again if he does manage to put the Harfoots on the endangered species list, he would have unironically done more good for that world than Galadriel did throughout the entire season.
Of course that completely contradicts everything the books say about Sauron. He HAD the chance to repent and try to make amends at the end of the First Age but refused.
@Ken Havens He didn't fool all the Elves.
In the book, Elrond and Galadriel never trusted Annatar going as far to not let him in their kingdoms as well as warn Celebrimbor about him.
Celebrimbor wasn't so much fooled as too eager to know more knowledge without asking why it was being given in the first place.
@Ken Havens Now sauron is pathetic 💀💀💀
to be fair, Tolkein wrote Sauron as a very charismatic and likeable person during the 2nd age. he was able to fool the elves, it is there in the outline of the SA.
@Mr Wibble They made sauron cuckhold 💀💀.
l think he has 0 villain effect on screen if the story is like this
I will absolutely support your short film if you own up to any failings in it and give it a critical drinker review that includes the most common criticisms.
This show seems like the one I wanted to write, after I read Lord of the Ring when I was 14 years old. Now I regret that I gave up on it instead of finishing it and sell it to Amazon. I would ne so rich today.